Vaccinations & Antibodies

[YaBlueIt]

Was the smallpox vaccine developed so quickly without basically any testing?  Also it'd be different if it was more like the Spanish Flu where younger people consistently had worse outcomes actually due to their swift immune system.

Here's your homework for the day. I must apologize in advance - there's not a lot of pictures and I couldn't figure out how to translate this into a series of Facebook memes, but I'm sure you'll manage.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577

[TSmith34, Inc.]

More stuff we already know, from the NYT:

"Tucker Carlson could do it. So could Laura Ingraham, Mark Levin or Donald Trump himself.

One of these conservative figures could go on the air and explain that the Omicron variant has placed much of their audience in grave danger. They could remind people that they have been skeptical of vaccines at times — but that Omicron is different. It is so contagious that it may quickly sweep the country.

As they issued this warning, they could still take their usual swipes at the political left, mocking panicky liberals for wearing masks outdoors and forcing children to sit apart in cold schoolyards. Conservatives don't need to do any of that; they just need to take a Covid-19 vaccine — the "Trump vaccine" that could save their life.



Vaccine skepticism stems in part from messages on social media and conservative outlets like Fox News, the Sinclair Broadcast Group and talk radio. Pundits on these platforms often stop short of telling people not to get vaccinated, even as they send a general negative message about the shots.

They criticize vaccine mandates, sensationalize rare side effects and describe vaccination as a personal choice. They certainly do not deliver the clear message that scientists and Democratic politicians have: Get vaccinated, please, as soon as possible.

For the unvaccinated, however, the best medical advice is clear: Get a shot that may save your life. The question is whether unvaccinated Americans will hear that message from the voices they trust."

[MU82]

More stuff we already know, from the NYT:

"Tucker Carlson could do it. So could Laura Ingraham, Mark Levin or Donald Trump himself.

One of these conservative figures could go on the air and explain that the Omicron variant has placed much of their audience in grave danger. They could remind people that they have been skeptical of vaccines at times — but that Omicron is different. It is so contagious that it may quickly sweep the country.

As they issued this warning, they could still take their usual swipes at the political left, mocking panicky liberals for wearing masks outdoors and forcing children to sit apart in cold schoolyards. Conservatives don't need to do any of that; they just need to take a Covid-19 vaccine — the "Trump vaccine" that could save their life.



Vaccine skepticism stems in part from messages on social media and conservative outlets like Fox News, the Sinclair Broadcast Group and talk radio. Pundits on these platforms often stop short of telling people not to get vaccinated, even as they send a general negative message about the shots.

They criticize vaccine mandates, sensationalize rare side effects and describe vaccination as a personal choice. They certainly do not deliver the clear message that scientists and Democratic politicians have: Get vaccinated, please, as soon as possible.

For the unvaccinated, however, the best medical advice is clear: Get a shot that may save your life. The question is whether unvaccinated Americans will hear that message from the voices they trust."

And the irony that's somehow lost on the anti-vax cultists is that the pundits and politicians they bow to are themselves vaccinated -- either because their employers mandate it, because they don't want to die, or both.

[statnik]

More stuff we already know, from the NYT:

"Tucker Carlson could do it. So could Laura Ingraham, Mark Levin or Donald Trump himself.

One of these conservative figures could go on the air and explain that the Omicron variant has placed much of their audience in grave danger. They could remind people that they have been skeptical of vaccines at times — but that Omicron is different. It is so contagious that it may quickly sweep the country.

As they issued this warning, they could still take their usual swipes at the political left, mocking panicky liberals for wearing masks outdoors and forcing children to sit apart in cold schoolyards. Conservatives don't need to do any of that; they just need to take a Covid-19 vaccine — the "Trump vaccine" that could save their life.



Vaccine skepticism stems in part from messages on social media and conservative outlets like Fox News, the Sinclair Broadcast Group and talk radio. Pundits on these platforms often stop short of telling people not to get vaccinated, even as they send a general negative message about the shots.

They criticize vaccine mandates, sensationalize rare side effects and describe vaccination as a personal choice. They certainly do not deliver the clear message that scientists and Democratic politicians have: Get vaccinated, please, as soon as possible.

For the unvaccinated, however, the best medical advice is clear: Get a shot that may save your life. The question is whether unvaccinated Americans will hear that message from the voices they trust."

Maybe the pro mandate proponents should also change their message and be more honest that the vaccines at this point will likely only make a difference in severity, but that you shouldn't be partying and going out when you feel sick, even if vaxxed.  Mark my words, a lot of that is going on due to those taking the vaccine thinking they've done their part and that they're much safer from the Omnicron variant when it's too early to know.

[Skatastrophy]

Maybe the pro mandate proponents should also change their message and be more honest that the vaccines at this point will likely only make a difference in severity, but that you shouldn't be partying and going out when you feel sick, even if vaxxed.  Mark my words, a lot of that is going on due to those taking the vaccine thinking they've done their part and that they're much safer from the Omnicron variant when it's too early to know.

Vaccines help significantly lower the chance of contracting Covid including with Delta (the current wave we're experiencing in the Midwest). That's the truth whether you believe in it or not. Just like masks help to decrease viral load.

Since we're being honest.

[Hards Alumni]

Vaccines help significantly lower the chance of transmission of Covid including with Delta (the current wave we're experiencing in the Midwest). That's the truth whether you believe in it or not. Just like masks help to decrease viral load.

Since we're being honest.

He said to mark his words tho.

[MU82]

Maybe the pro mandate proponents should also change their message and be more honest that the vaccines at this point will likely only make a difference in severity, but that you shouldn't be partying and going out when you feel sick, even if vaxxed.  Mark my words, a lot of that is going on due to those taking the vaccine thinking they've done their part and that they're much safer from the Omnicron variant when it's too early to know.

Congrats on your son graduating from Marquette and getting sworn into Army OCS.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Maybe the pro mandate proponents should also change their message and be more honest that the vaccines at this point will likely only make a difference in severity, but that you shouldn't be partying and going out when you feel sick, even if vaxxed.  Mark my words, a lot of that is going on due to those taking the vaccine thinking they've done their part and that they're much safer from the Omnicron variant when it's too early to know.

Ummm, yes. The severity of dead vs. not dead.

But at this point you are only interested in spreading disinformation, so good job, Tucker.

[Warriors4ever]

They have been saying that, as more data cones out. And they've always told people to stay home if you don't feel well.

[MU82]

Former President Donald J. Trump, who for years falsely claimed vaccines were dangerous and pointedly declined to be seen getting vaccinated against Covid-19 while in office, was booed at an event in Dallas after saying publicly for the first time that he had received a booster shot.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/20/world/trump-supporters-booster-shots.html?campaign_id=4&emc=edit_dk_20211221&instance_id=48354&nl=dealbook&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=77558&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

[Uncle Rico]

Former President Donald J. Trump, who for years falsely claimed vaccines were dangerous and pointedly declined to be seen getting vaccinated against Covid-19 while in office, was booed at an event in Dallas after saying publicly for the first time that he had received a booster shot.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/20/world/trump-supporters-booster-shots.html?campaign_id=4&emc=edit_dk_20211221&instance_id=48354&nl=dealbook&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=77558&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

That was his clone. 

[mu_hilltopper]

A new vaccine .. very interesting.  Hope it tests out and is approved.

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2021/12/us-army-creates-single-vaccine-effective-against-all-covid-sars-variants/360089/

[4everwarriors]

Maybe da teachers in Whitefolks Bay won't
haveta quit, aina?

[tower912]

Nah.  Karens will still drive them out.

[mu_hilltopper]

Nah.  Karens will still drive them out.

TBH .. when my wife worked there (different district now) .. for the most part, very few parents were problematic.

[MU82]

That was his clone.

In his speech yesterday, Biden said he appreciated that Trump publicly stated he had received a booster, and also said: "Thanks to the prior administration and the scientific community, America is one of the first countries to get the vaccine."

Will that convince any holdouts to get the shot? Maybe, maybe not, but it was worth a try, because we know the majority of anti-vaxxers were Trump voters.

Biden is trying everything he can -- including praising his predecessor when warranted -- to get vaccines in as many arms as possible.

[Warriors4ever]

I agree. Try everything possible. I don't even care if they go tell the holdouts to specifically take the Trump vaccine, if it gets them to do it.

[Lennys Tap]

Biden is trying everything he can -- including praising his predecessor when warranted -- to get vaccines in as many arms as possible.

Great that he's finally doing that. Could have been done a year ago. Too bad there was all that nonsense about not getting the "Trump vaccine" (as if Donald Trump controlled the FDA) that originally politicized the process and further polarized the country. Also too bad that some in right wing media provided cover for the stubborn/foolish who resisted being vaxxed.

[MU82]

Great that he's finally doing that. Could have been done a year ago. Too bad there was all that nonsense about not getting the "Trump vaccine" (as if Donald Trump controlled the FDA) that originally politicized the process and further polarized the country. Also too bad that some in right wing media provided cover for the stubborn/foolish who resisted being vaxxed.

You're right about the right-wing media, of course. And they're still doing it.

As for the first part ... as much as you and others want to push that "nonsense" narrative ... there is not a single right-wing anti-vaxxer who rejected the vaccine because of what Biden and/or Harris said about trusting the doctors rather than a proven liar. While Trump got his shot on the down-low, Harris and Biden publicly got theirs; while Biden has relentlessly pushed boosters, Trump publicly said he "probably won't get one." Which of course turned out to be another lie ... because he wants to stay alive.

What's really great is Trump finally kinda-promoting the vaccine that his followers want to give him credit for inventing. Maybe if he spent the last 11 months pushing his reluctant sheeple to get vaccinated rather than pushing lie after lie after lie about voter fraud, this country would be in a lot better shape medically, economically and emotionally.

[The Sultan]

Great that he's finally doing that. Could have been done a year ago. Too bad there was all that nonsense about not getting the "Trump vaccine" (as if Donald Trump controlled the FDA) that originally politicized the process and further polarized the country. Also too bad that some in right wing media provided cover for the stubborn/foolish who resisted being vaxxed.

A mere drop in a the flood of a larger misinformation campaign. Either you know that and are being intentionally disingenuous or you are too far gone for serious discussion.

Which is it?

[Lennys Tap]

A mere drop in a the flood of a larger misinformation campaign. Either you know that and are being intentionally disingenuous or you are too far gone for serious discussion.

Which is it?

B.

I'm too far gone for serious discussions - with idiots like you.

[MUBurrow]

A mere drop in a the flood of a larger misinformation campaign. Either you know that and are being intentionally disingenuous or you are too far gone for serious discussion.

Which is it?

Yeah, the cherrypicking of Dems skeptical quotes from before a vaccine was even available about being careful about taking the medical advice of a guy who went on to promote injecting bleach and taking horse dewormer is really played out.

[The Sultan]

Yeah, the cherrypicking of Dems skeptical quotes from before a vaccine was even available about being careful about taking the medical advice of a guy who went on to promote injecting bleach and taking horse dewormer is really played out.

Right. Blaming dems comments from a year ago for current vaccine hesitancy is...something.

[Pakuni]

Yeah, the cherrypicking of Dems skeptical quotes from before a vaccine was even available about being careful about taking the medical advice of a guy who went on to promote injecting bleach and taking horse dewormer is really played out.

Yup.
Biden and Harris clearly said they wouldn't take Trump's word for it when it comes to vaccines, but would take the advice of medical professionals. Any normal, rational (non-cultist) person would do the same.
The fact Lenny continues to bring up this repeatedly disproven talking point is such weak cause.

[The Sultan]

B.

I'm too far gone for serious discussions - with idiots like you.

LOL. "I know you are but what am I."

Really taxed the ole brain power with that one hey?