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Author Topic: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs  (Read 180593 times)

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #125 on: August 08, 2021, 03:59:57 PM »
Westbrook was traded, not a restricted free agent.

He was under contract and Lebron enticed him to another team. That's pretty obviously forbidden.

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #126 on: August 08, 2021, 04:21:03 PM »
He was under contract and Lebron enticed him to another team. That's pretty obviously forbidden.

https://ak-static-int.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/NBA-Constitution-and-By-Laws.pdf

Seems similar to the NCAA cracking down on recruiting violations. The NBA is being strategic in which ones they can likely prove. It’s pretty much everyone is doing it, let’s crackdown on the obvious ones we can prove. Which tend to be the sign and trades.

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1424094221288476675?s=20

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #127 on: August 08, 2021, 04:29:23 PM »
He was under contract and Lebron enticed him to another team. That's pretty obviously forbidden.

https://ak-static-int.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/NBA-Constitution-and-By-Laws.pdf

It seems like the NBA is cracking down on pre-arranged deals, not trades that are mutually agreed upon deals. Players talk about playing by together all the time.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #128 on: August 08, 2021, 04:46:36 PM »
He was under contract and Lebron enticed him to another team. That's pretty obviously forbidden.

https://ak-static-int.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/12/NBA-Constitution-and-By-Laws.pdf

Maybe they're not enforcing this rule but it seems like a clear violation to me.

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #129 on: August 08, 2021, 04:49:49 PM »
It seems like the NBA is cracking down on pre-arranged deals, not trades that are mutually agreed upon deals. Players talk about playing by together all the time.

When you have the most prominent player in 20 years openly talking about and flaunting that he brazenly violated the league constitution, that seems like a time to at least take a look at it. The trade might have been eventually agreed on, but the pre-agreement conversations almost certainly still impacted that it even happened.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #130 on: August 08, 2021, 06:37:09 PM »
The NBA is only looking at cases where the executives are guilty. They are leaving the players alone, currently.

They’ll go after players when they need leverage over the NBAPA.

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #131 on: August 08, 2021, 06:54:35 PM »
I think the NBA is staying clear of player to player communication unless coordination with a front office is brazen. Investigating the S&Ts seems in line with that line of thinking

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #132 on: August 08, 2021, 07:00:15 PM »
I think the NBA is staying clear of player to player communication unless coordination with a front office is brazen. Investigating the S&Ts seems in line with that line of thinking

Exactly.  Straight trades are far, far down on the priority list.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #133 on: August 09, 2021, 11:55:32 AM »
I think the NBA is staying clear of player to player communication unless coordination with a front office is brazen. Investigating the S&Ts seems in line with that line of thinking

And staying clear of ever punishing Lebron James.

e.g. He was allowed to go to the Tequila event during the playoff series with the Suns, without punishment. Yet Booker was told by the NBA that he couldn't attend or he would be suspended.

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #134 on: August 09, 2021, 12:10:32 PM »
And staying clear of ever punishing Lebron James.

e.g. He was allowed to go to the Tequila event during the playoff series with the Suns, without punishment. Yet Booker was told by the NBA that he couldn't attend or he would be suspended.


No he was not "allowed" to go.  He violated the protocols but it was determined his attendance didn't present a risk because it was outdoors and attendees either had to be vaccinated or show proof of a negative test.

Booker asked to attend his girlfriend's tequila brand launch which was indoors.

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #135 on: August 10, 2021, 12:15:41 PM »
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« Reply #136 on: August 10, 2021, 12:28:15 PM »
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Wow. The Knicks paid a lot of money to not be good.

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #137 on: August 11, 2021, 12:50:51 PM »
Wow Jason Kidd is a scum bag. I can’t believe he got another job.

https://twitter.com/FakeTJHawke/status/1424848840293851142?s=20

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #138 on: August 11, 2021, 12:59:47 PM »
Wow Jason Kidd is a scum bag. I can’t believe he got another job.

https://twitter.com/FakeTJHawke/status/1424848840293851142?s=20

Remember when people thought Giannis might want to re-up with him? I'm sure Luka is going to love him.

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #139 on: August 11, 2021, 01:17:24 PM »
Agreed that Larry Sanders is a POS, hey?
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #140 on: August 11, 2021, 01:25:02 PM »
Agreed that Larry Sanders is a POS, hey?


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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #141 on: August 11, 2021, 01:40:46 PM »
Wow Jason Kidd is a scum bag. I can’t believe he got another job.

https://twitter.com/FakeTJHawke/status/1424848840293851142?s=20

How many stories of coaches "back in the day" would do similar things to high school or college kids and the behavior applauded?

Just an interesting dichotomy

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #142 on: August 11, 2021, 01:49:31 PM »
Kidd has had several serious issues in his past that go well beyond his coaching.  The fact that he's back coaching and in Dallas of all places is pretty troubling.

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #143 on: August 11, 2021, 03:20:42 PM »
even not knowing he's a lunatic to his players, he was always a terrible coach who spat in the face of the evolution of the game. Him getting another job would be like being a surgeon, routinely and blatantly insisting on amputating the wrong leg of every patient you have, getting fired because that's clearly bad, and getting another job as a leg surgeon a year later despite everyone in the world knowing about your wrong leg amputation habit.

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #144 on: August 11, 2021, 03:27:40 PM »
even not knowing he's a lunatic to his players, he was always a terrible coach who spat in the face of the evolution of the game. Him getting another job would be like being a surgeon, routinely and blatantly insisting on amputating the wrong leg of every patient you have, getting fired because that's clearly bad, and getting another job as a leg surgeon a year later despite everyone in the world knowing about your wrong leg amputation habit.

Basketball Twitter was very pro-Kidd and clamoring for him to get another job, which was really weird.

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #145 on: August 11, 2021, 03:35:56 PM »
Basketball Twitter was very pro-Kidd and clamoring for him to get another job, which was really weird.

Does no one remember him as a coach? He was awful. Like "make Wojo look like Ike in 1944" levels of generalship. If memory serves he was right during the evolution into the efficiency-focused analytics explosion and just steadfastly channeled his inner meathead and refused under any circumstances to consider those changes.

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #146 on: August 11, 2021, 03:47:46 PM »
Does no one remember him as a coach? He was awful. Like "make Wojo look like Ike in 1944" levels of generalship. If memory serves he was right during the evolution into the efficiency-focused analytics explosion and just steadfastly channeled his inner meathead and refused under any circumstances to consider those changes.

I thought he was pretty good his first year. His defense confused teams I think and they overachieved. Then they figured it out and killed the Bucks with corner threes.

Also, you can’t deny Giannis improved under him. We will never know if that had anything to do with Kidd or Giannis’ work ethic would have brought that improvement no matter who was coach.

I’m glad they fired him as Bud showed just how bad of a coach Kidd was.

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #147 on: August 11, 2021, 04:31:39 PM »
I’m glad they fired him as Bud showed just how bad of a coach Kidd was.

While I don't at all disagree, I heard from someone who is pretty close to the Bucks front office that he wasn't sure Bud would keep his job after Game 2. Amazing what winning 4 in a row will do.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #148 on: August 11, 2021, 04:58:35 PM »
even not knowing he's a lunatic to his players, he was always a terrible coach who spat in the face of the evolution of the game. Him getting another job would be like being a surgeon, routinely and blatantly insisting on amputating the wrong leg of every patient you have, getting fired because that's clearly bad, and getting another job as a leg surgeon a year later despite everyone in the world knowing about your wrong leg amputation habit.

You'd be surprised how many bad MDs are out there and how hard it is to not only fire them, but get their license revoked or make public their mis-deeds.

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs
« Reply #149 on: August 11, 2021, 05:14:33 PM »
While I don't at all disagree, I heard from someone who is pretty close to the Bucks front office that he wasn't sure Bud would keep his job after Game 2. Amazing what winning 4 in a row will do.

Oh, I just meant he took a team Kidd had flirting with .500 to a 1 seed.


 

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