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The Sultan

Yeah he may go overboard but JFB is most certainly tough.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

withoutbias

He's "tough" when he knows he has giants who won't let him actually get to the people he's being "tough" to.

The guy is a front runner.  When things are going well, he's the funny, cute guy selling the coffee he hoarded for more than anyone will pay, haha what a funny guy.  He's singing Party in the USA on the team bus, haha what a funny guy.  But once things start to go south he's yelling at the GM, asking for trades, and trying to "fight" his coach and one of the most beloved players in franchise history.

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: WithoutBias on March 24, 2022, 08:12:21 AM
He's "tough" when he knows he has giants who won't let him actually get to the people he's being "tough" to.

The guy is a front runner.  When things are going well, he's the funny, cute guy selling the coffee he hoarded for more than anyone will pay, haha what a funny guy.  He's singing Party in the USA on the team bus, haha what a funny guy.  But once things start to go south he's yelling at the GM, asking for trades, and trying to "fight" his coach and one of the most beloved players in franchise history.

Hes team is leading the East right now.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

withoutbias

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 24, 2022, 08:16:24 AM
Hes team is leading the East right now.

And are 3-4 in their last 7 while 3 teams have now closed to within 1.5 games of them.  Their 3 wins are against the Cavs, Thunder, and Pistons.

The Sultan

Lol. Yeah Butler is fake tough and a front runner.

So stupid.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

withoutbias

Quote from: Clarissa on March 24, 2022, 08:40:52 AM
Lol. Yeah Butler is fake tough and a front runner.

So stupid.

It is what it is.  How many tough guy yelling matches have you seen him get into over the last half decade?  Have you ever seen him even shove someone, let alone actually throw hands?  He doesn't want any of the smoke, but he wants people to think he's about that life.

The only people he will beat are those he knows cannot fairly defend themselves.

JWags85

Quote from: WithoutBias on March 24, 2022, 09:06:44 AM
It is what it is.  How many tough guy yelling matches have you seen him get into over the last half decade?  Have you ever seen him even shove someone, let alone actually throw hands?  He doesn't want any of the smoke, but he wants people to think he's about that life.

The only people he will beat are those he knows cannot fairly defend themselves.

What an absurd argument.  How many people are actively throwing hands in the NBA?  This isn't MMA.  Elite athletes in a highly competitive cutthroat league certainly get heated and physical but nobody is throwing punches to end theirs, or others, livelihoods.  If he actually threw a punch, you'd call him a headcase, or a thug, or something similar, cause you can't stand him.

This board glorifies AL McGuire punching one of his own players, but a star heated and yelling at his coaches and teammates during a tight game against another top team is a fake tough guy.  Got it.

Jimmy was 1000% right about the Timberwolves, and people talking about KAT thriving now ignore the fact that its a completely different coach, front office, and roster than when he called everyone out. 

He signed with a Heat team that was under .500 the year before and put them on his back.  Lowry and others coming to Miami is because of Butler, its not like he joined a super team.

withoutbias

Quote from: JWags85 on March 24, 2022, 09:21:54 AM
What an absurd argument.  How many people are actively throwing hands in the NBA?  This isn't MMA.  Elite athletes in a highly competitive cutthroat league certainly get heated and physical but nobody is throwing punches to end theirs, or others, livelihoods.  If he actually threw a punch, you'd call him a headcase, or a thug, or something similar, cause you can't stand him.

This board glorifies AL McGuire punching one of his own players, but a star heated and yelling at his coaches and teammates during a tight game against another top team is a fake tough guy.  Got it.

Jimmy was 1000% right about the Timberwolves, and people talking about KAT thriving now ignore the fact that its a completely different coach, front office, and roster than when he called everyone out. 

He signed with a Heat team that was under .500 the year before and put them on his back.  Lowry and others coming to Miami is because of Butler, its not like he joined a super team.

I don't know how you could argue he isn't a headcase.

KAT was never lazy.  Just because Jimmy does things his way doesn't mean other people are wrong for not doing things his way.

And LOL at the idea that players come to the Heat because of Jimmy Butler.  Players come to the Heat because of the city of Miami first and foremost and because of Pat Riley.  Kyle Lowry was buddies with Jimmy so I'm sure he did play a part in that one transaction, but Kyle Lowry isn't some massive pull.  Maybe half a decade ago he would've been.  But he's like the 4th or 5th best player at this point.

Maybe Jimmy can lead his team to the opponent's locker room only to be stopped by another 80 year old arena security guy again.  Lol.

lawdog77

Quote from: JWags85 on March 24, 2022, 09:21:54 AM
What an absurd argument.  How many people are actively throwing hands in the NBA?  This isn't MMA.  Elite athletes in a highly competitive cutthroat league certainly get heated and physical but nobody is throwing punches to end theirs, or others, livelihoods.  If he actually threw a punch, you'd call him a headcase, or a thug, or something similar, cause you can't stand him.

This board glorifies AL McGuire punching one of his own players, but a star heated and yelling at his coaches and teammates during a tight game against another top team is a fake tough guy.  Got it.

Jimmy was 1000% right about the Timberwolves, and people talking about KAT thriving now ignore the fact that its a completely different coach, front office, and roster than when he called everyone out. 

He signed with a Heat team that was under .500 the year before and put them on his back.  Lowry and others coming to Miami is because of Butler, its not like he joined a super team.
Agree 100%, and he is a star who doesn't need to take 20+ shots a game to win games for a team (I think he has had 7 games all year over 20 shot attempts). Not too many superstars like that out there.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: WithoutBias on March 24, 2022, 09:06:44 AM
It is what it is.  How many tough guy yelling matches have you seen him get into over the last half decade?  Have you ever seen him even shove someone, let alone actually throw hands?  He doesn't want any of the smoke, but he wants people to think he's about that life.

The only people he will beat are those he knows cannot fairly defend themselves.

You're being ridiculous.  Do you expect Jimmy to have to fight someone to prove he isn't some sort of pretend tough guy?  Absurd.

MU82

I would take Jimmy Butler on my team 100% of the time. A winner, a max-effort guy and a gamer. I wish Marquette had 5 guys with Jimmy's attitude. Hell, I wish we had a couple.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

withoutbias

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 24, 2022, 09:48:33 AM
You're being ridiculous.  Do you expect Jimmy to have to fight someone to prove he isn't some sort of pretend tough guy?  Absurd.

He certainly wants you to believe he's a tough guy.  He'll go to the media and talk about wanting fights.  But then when his teammate gets whiplash so bad he is out for half the season while he's a couple feet away from it happening, he'll cower back to his team's bench until Jokic is ejected, and then he'll start yelling from 90 feet away with 100 or so people between them.  What a toughy!  Definitely wishes those brawls would be happening in the NBA!

https://heatnation.com/media/jimmy-butler-says-he-wants-to-see-more-brawls-in-todays-nba/#:~:text=Miami%20Heat%20veteran%20Jimmy%20Butler%20offered%20a%20unique,letting%20you%20get%20into%20no%20brawls%20no%20more.

The Sultan

Quote from: WithoutBias on March 24, 2022, 09:30:52 AM
I don't know how you could argue he isn't a headcase.

I don't really know the guy at all so I have no idea if he is a headcase.  He's a helluva basketball player though.  It seems to me that you are actually WithBias in this case.


Quote from: WithoutBias on March 24, 2022, 09:30:52 AM
KAT was never lazy.  Just because Jimmy does things his way doesn't mean other people are wrong for not doing things his way.

He wasn't lazy.  He was soft.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Hards Alumni

Quote from: WithoutBias on March 24, 2022, 10:21:22 AM
He certainly wants you to believe he's a tough guy.  He'll go to the media and talk about wanting fights.  But then when his teammate gets whiplash so bad he is out for half the season while he's a couple feet away from it happening, he'll cower back to his team's bench until Jokic is ejected, and then he'll start yelling from 90 feet away with 100 or so people between them.  What a toughy!  Definitely wishes those brawls would be happening in the NBA!

https://heatnation.com/media/jimmy-butler-says-he-wants-to-see-more-brawls-in-todays-nba/#:~:text=Miami%20Heat%20veteran%20Jimmy%20Butler%20offered%20a%20unique,letting%20you%20get%20into%20no%20brawls%20no%20more.

The picture from your article:



You're right.  Certainly looks like he runs from confrontation!

withoutbias

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 24, 2022, 10:30:19 AM
The picture from your article:



You're right.  Certainly looks like he runs from confrontation!

Yup lol.  Watch the video of it.  Some ref about 40 years older than him and 8 inches shorter than him shoves Jimmy back across the whole court, when Jimmy then starts pointing at his chest and then at Warren and blowing Warren kisses lol.  Once again, if he wanted to go at it like he talks like he does, is that ref really going to prevent him from that?  HELL no.  He's literally yelling at Warren from the other end of the court "I'M TOUGH!"  Haha.

The Jokic video is even better.  He's like 15 feet from Jokic when he decks Morris.  Then he starts to run over when it happens like he's going to do something, realizes he'd get smoked, basically comes to a walk, and gives the most half hearted "shove" I've ever seen in my life lol.  But then gets REALLY tough after Jokic is ejected and basically in the opposite side's tunnel.

withoutbias

Quote from: Clarissa on March 24, 2022, 10:25:12 AM
I don't really know the guy at all so I have no idea if he is a headcase.  He's a helluva basketball player though.  It seems to me that you are actually WithBias in this case.


He wasn't lazy.  He was soft.

Butler is very good at basketball.  He's not the all time great like LBJ, Giannis, Steph are, and he's not MVP level like Jokic, Embiid, etc. are.  But he's a step below that.

Doesn't mean he's tough or always right.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: WithoutBias on March 24, 2022, 10:43:20 AM
Yup lol.  Watch the video of it.  Some ref about 40 years older than him and 8 inches shorter than him shoves Jimmy back across the whole court, when Jimmy then starts pointing at his chest and then at Warren and blowing Warren kisses lol.  Once again, if he wanted to go at it like he talks like he does, is that ref really going to prevent him from that?  HELL no.  He's literally yelling at Warren from the other end of the court "I'M TOUGH!"  Haha.

The Jokic video is even better.  He's like 15 feet from Jokic when he decks Morris.  Then he starts to run over when it happens like he's going to do something, realizes he'd get smoked, basically comes to a walk, and gives the most half hearted "shove" I've ever seen in my life lol.  But then gets REALLY tough after Jokic is ejected and basically in the opposite side's tunnel.

So you're suggesting that he push the ref out of the way and then clock someone.  Fine, ejection, suspension.

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: WithoutBias on March 24, 2022, 08:31:22 AM
And are 3-4 in their last 7 while 3 teams have now closed to within 1.5 games of them.  Their 3 wins are against the Cavs, Thunder, and Pistons.

So he starts fighting coaches after every 3-4 stretch in a 82 game season???

You got a weird obsession with hating the guy. Should probably talk to someone professionally.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

Hards Alumni

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 24, 2022, 11:14:34 AM
So he starts fighting coaches after every 3-4 stretch in a 82 game season???

You got a weird obsession with hating the guy. Should probably talk to someone professionally.

He should probably also change his name  ;D

lawdog77



withoutbias

We don't have to talk about Demar as an MVP candidate anymore do we?

withoutbias

Jimmy's fake tough guy act really paid off for the Heat. Went from a 4 game lead to possibly falling to the 4 seed. Lost the 4th 38-15 to lose to the Knicks and then lost by about 40 to the Nets. Only a matter of time until Jimmy goes to Rachel Nichols to tell her how the guys he's around don't know how to win and don't do it the right way or play hard enough.

JWags85

Quote from: WithoutBias on March 27, 2022, 05:46:28 PM
Jimmy's fake tough guy act really paid off for the Heat. Went from a 4 game lead to possibly falling to the 4 seed. Lost the 4th 38-15 to lose to the Knicks and then lost by about 40 to the Nets. Only a matter of time until Jimmy goes to Rachel Nichols to tell her how the guys he's around don't know how to win and don't do it the right way or play hard enough.

In his last 5 games that he wasn't limited by injury (Nets and Pistons), he's averaging 25/6/5 but go off.  He's definitely the problem here.  Keep living up to the exact opposite of your username.

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: WithoutBias on March 27, 2022, 05:46:28 PM
Jimmy's fake tough guy act really paid off for the Heat. Went from a 4 game lead to possibly falling to the 4 seed. Lost the 4th 38-15 to lose to the Knicks and then lost by about 40 to the Nets. Only a matter of time until Jimmy goes to Rachel Nichols to tell her how the guys he's around don't know how to win and don't do it the right way or play hard enough.

Gotta say, its somewhat impressive how dumb you make yourself look routinely. Its something to hang your hat on.
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