Ryder Cup

[cheebs09]

I would imagine some of it is legacy. How many times is Tiger and Phil's Ryder Cup record brought up outside of one week every two years? People here mostly care about majors and the money list.

I could be totally wrong, but I bet a Euro player's legacy in the Ryder Cup is much more prevalent in their home country than the US.

[Uncle Rico]

I would imagine some of it is legacy. How many times is Tiger and Phil's Ryder Cup record brought up outside of one week every two years? People here mostly care about majors and the money list.

I could be totally wrong, but I bet a Euro player's legacy in the Ryder Cup is much more prevalent in their home country than the US.

It is but they don't win as many majors

[cheebs09]

It is but they don't win as many majors

Euro's? That's kind of my point. They probably set themselves up to peak for the Ryder Cup rather than the Majors.

Tiger is famous for setting his schedule up for the majors. Brooks talks about only trying during the majors. Especially with the Ryder Cup being after all the majors, I feel the US guys view it more as an off-season event. Maybe the PGA moving to May changes things. But the FedEx Cup requires a lot of playing in consecutive weeks.

[🏀]

You'd think after participating in a few of these or president's cups, you could be more accustomed to the change.

Or, perhaps, they just don't want to be involved?

Guy is an asshat.

[tower912]

Same interview, he references Phil's gamesmanship at the PGA.    I thought, and even commented, that I thought Phil might have been slow playing him to get in his head.   

[MuggsyB]

Guy is an asshat.

Agreed.  Get someone out there that has some pride then .

Look, I understand the points you're all making and the results for the USA have been beyond abysmal.  At the same time missing short or key putts, and  hacking the ball all over the place, really has nothing to do with camaraderie or wanting it more. 

There are many examples of teammates in numerous sports who have not gotten along but yet performed quite well during the highest stakes.  These guys need to step the fk up, period.  As for Koepka?  I am extremely upset by his comments and overall blase attitude.  He may in fact be an"asshat" on all levels.  I'll take your word for it Retire.

[JWags85]

Look, I understand the points you're all making and the results for the USA have been beyond abysmal.  At the same time missing short or key putts, and  hacking the ball all over the place, really has nothing to do with camaraderie or wanting it more. 

Golf is an extremely mental game.  If you're not there mentally due to lack of interest, lack of focus, lack of desire, whatever, the little slips happen, like missed putts, shanked irons, wayward drives.

[tower912]

It isn't about the US tanking.   It is about the Euros playing better than their ranking.  And that is affected by their team spirit.

[MuggsyB]

It isn't about the US tanking.   It is about the Euros playing better than their ranking.  And that is affected by their team spirit.

Well, what should we do about this?  Cocoon ourselves in  little balls?   We must focus and step-up Tower.  There is zero reason why we cannot get the job done.

[🏀]

Well, what should we do about this?  Cocoon ourselves in  little balls?   We must focus and step-up Tower.  There is zero reason why we cannot get the job done.

It's a great question. I think Stricker is trying out a bunch of rookies for a reason. Quite frankly, I'd go all captains picks. Let the captains decide who gets on the team based upon not only results, but a desire to be there. I don't think Brooks wants to be there. Dustin? Probably not.

Every single one of those Euro's want to be on the team.

[MuggsyB]

It's a great question. I think Stricker is trying out a bunch of rookies for a reason. Quite frankly, I'd go all captains picks. Let the captains decide who gets on the team based upon not only results, but a desire to be there. I don't think Brooks wants to be there. Dustin? Probably not.

Every single one of those Euro's want to be on the team.

Well if that's the case Retire, meaning certain guys do not want to be there, we must have a completely new criteria for fielding a team. 

[tower912]

Well, what should we do about this?  Cocoon ourselves in  little balls?   We must focus and step-up Tower.  There is zero reason why we cannot get the job done.

(A)  Not 'we.'    'They'
(B)  If the Euros win again, it will affect you how, exactly?
(C)  It isn't about effort.   

[MU82]

(A)  Not 'we.'    'They'
(B)  If the Euros win again, it will affect you how, exactly?
(C)  It isn't about effort.

Yep, yep and yep.

The American golfers don't represent me, you and Muggsy any more than the European golfers do. They're just golfers. And it's just a competition, not a test of patriotism.

[MuggsyB]

So you're rooting for the Euros Tower?  It's not life or death but of course it affects me.  I root for my country and those representing our country. 

[tower912]

I enjoy the theater.  And good golf.  I honestly won't know who I will be rooting for until I start watching.  Regardless of outcome, I won't lose a nanosecond of sleep.

[Herman Cain]

The Euros can want it more . However this year they are going to get a Heinie Whoopin from the US

Too many guys how were the big point getters in years  for The Euros are running on fumes

[MuggsyB]

The Euros can want it more . However this year they are going to get a Heinie Whoopin from the US

Too many guys how were the big point getters in years  for The Euros are running on fumes

I don't understand why people wouldn't root for our own country Herman.

[Uncle Rico]

The Euros can want it more . However this year they are going to get a Heinie Whoopin from the US

Too many guys how were the big point getters in years  for The Euros are running on fumes

Plus Tiger isn't playing for Team USA which is bonus for the Americans

[tower912]

And exponentially increases the odds I root for the USA.

[MU82]

I don't understand why people wouldn't root for our own country Herman.

Because they're golfers, they're not "our country." If they were soldiers or ambassadors, I'd root for them.

I won't root against them, either. I will root for great golf and dramatic competition.

[Lennys Tap]

Because they're golfers, they're not "our country." If they were soldiers or ambassadors, I'd root for them.

I won't root against them, either. I will root for great golf and dramatic competition.

So you didn't root for Simone Biles, the Dream Team, Michael Phelps, etc.?

[MuggsyB]

So you didn't root for Simone Biles, the Dream Team, Michael Phelps, etc.?

Yep.....I don't get it Lenny.  They don't make any sense me.

[🏀]

Yep.....I don't get it Lenny.  They don't make any sense me.

American professional golfers are not very likable?

Collin? Little flashes of personality.
DJ? Nothing here.
Bryson? A lot going on here, can't shut up.
Brooks? Thinks he's a real athlete, tries really, really hard to be the cool golfer.
JT? Preppy Titleist boy that still uses homophobic slurs.
Cantlay? Slowest player on tour, but a killer.
Jordan? Electrifying.
Big Tone? Probably the most gifted talent, struggles to figure it out.
Xander? Loves limited field events.
Harris? Everyday killer that uses every sponsorship inch on his polo.
Berger? Another killer, he's going to get into so many asses.
Scheffler? Create a player from UT.

[MuggsyB]

American professional golfers are not very likable?

Collin? Little flashes of personality.
DJ? Nothing here.
Bryson? A lot going on here, can't shut up.
Brooks? Thinks he's a real athlete, tries really, really hard to be the cool golfer.
JT? Preppy Titleist boy that still uses homophobic slurs.
Cantlay? Slowest player on tour, but a killer.
Jordan? Electrifying.
Big Tone? Probably the most gifted talent, struggles to figure it out.
Xander? Loves limited field events.
Harris? Everyday killer that uses every sponsorship inch on his polo.
Berger? Another killer, he's going to get into so many asses.
Scheffler? Create a player from UT.

People loved Tiger and he doesn't exactly have a riveting personality.  But you make a good point.  Another Lee Trevino would be nice. 

[MU82]

So you didn't root for Simone Biles, the Dream Team, Michael Phelps, etc.?

I did. I enjoyed watching all those great competitors, and many more.

I also rooted for Usain Bolt, Nadia Comaneci, Alberto Tomba, Katarina Witt, and the Jamaican Bobsled Team.

Did you root against them and other incredible performers because, and only because, they weren't Americans?