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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: tower912 on July 21, 2021, 09:25:35 AM
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Let's give it a thread of its very own. Sticker has his work cut out for him. Personality issues and game compatibility issues. I think he skips down and grabs Phil to help balm and calm the team room. And he needs someone to pair with Bryson.
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Thanks for removing this to its own thread. I can't see Phil making the team unless he really shows some form in the next few weeks. He may make someone else a pick based on their compatibility with Bryson after speaking with Bryson and the candidates.
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Thanks for removing this to its own thread. I can't see Phil making the team unless he really shows some form in the next few weeks. He may make someone else a pick based on their compatibility with Bryson after speaking with Bryson and the candidates.
Straits is probably a “safe” place for Phil because it’ll be setup for bombers and the penalties for missing fairways a lot less penal. However, the PGA looks more like an aberration than where his game really is. I’d pick younger players. Phil had his time
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If you care at all about the "team" mentality, you don't include Bryson.
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An aside for MU82. When you chili dip, is it a Skyline chili dip or a Real Chili dip?
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If you care at all about the "team" mentality, you don't include Bryson.
Not including him isn't much of an option.
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If Sticker stays chalk and takes the top 12, an unexpected leader is going to have to emerge. Maybe Spieth or JT. Because I don't see a dynamic positive personality among the rest.
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If Sticker stays chalk and takes the top 12, an unexpected leader is going to have to emerge. Maybe Spieth or JT. Because I don't see a dynamic positive personality among the rest.
What would you do Tower? You're right about leadership concerns.
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Phil.
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Phil.
You may very well be right. We have way, way, way, more talent. I think adding Phil couldn't hurt in the locker room so to speak. Would you pick Simpson?
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Phil.
Does Phil have a good reputation on tour among players?
I thought I remember reading otherwise.
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Davis Love III, Zach Johnson and Jim Furyk are Strickers assistants. Stricker wants Tiger to be an assistant. Stricker also wants player feedback on captains picks.
https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2021/07/07/usa-ryder-cup-steve-stricker-feedback-captains-picks/
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Phil's a wasted pick. You cannot under any circumstance play him in foursomes, four ball maybe. And in singles I think Poulter or Sergio eat his lunch in this event.
For the US I think Speith is the only 100% given selection of the guys outside the top 6 right now.
I think Reed isn't picked because no one will play with him anymore now that Jordan said f-off. He didn't have good form in Melbourne 18 months ago.
Love to see Max get a run just cause he could talk enough crap and keep the Euros on their toes.
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I didn't realize there are six captain's picks.
I think we would all agree Speith is a lock....it will be interesting who Strick goes with for the next 5. As far as Phil? His value is primarily leadership although maybe I'm overvaluing its importance.
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I didn't realize there are six captain's picks.
I think we would all agree Speith is a lock....it will be interesting who Strick goes with for the next 5. As far as Phil? His value is primarily leadership although maybe I'm overvaluing its importance.
Leadership at the Ryder Cup for Team USA has been meaningless for decades.
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You may very well be right. We have way, way, way, more talent. I think adding Phil couldn't hurt in the locker room so to speak. Would you pick Simpson?
The talent gap is much smaller then you think it is.
Rahm
Hovland
McIlroy
Hatton
Fleetwood
Lowry
MacIntyre
Casey
Westwood
Fitzpatrick
Garcia
Poulter
That’s a solid team.
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Phil was picked in 2018 as that mentor figure, didn’t quite work out.
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Does Phil have a good reputation on tour among players?
I thought I remember reading otherwise.
Back in his prime, his nickname among tour players was FIGJAM.
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But he has done a lot to help the young guys. Now he is the slightly eccentric cool uncle.
Phil doesn't get in due to his play. He gets in if Sticker wants his presence.
I see another collection of egos that is about to get its collective butt handed to them by a more unified European team. As per usual.
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But he has done a lot to help the young guys. Now he is the slightly eccentric cool uncle.
Phil doesn't get in due to his play. He gets in if Sticker wants his presence.
I see another collection of egos that is about to get its collective butt handed to them by a more unified European team. As per usual.
What’s his presence? All those Ryder Cup losses?
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What’s his presence? All those Ryder Cup losses?
Agreed. Phil’s been on plenty of the teams that have underachieved. I don’t know that his presence is much of a needle mover.
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Agreed. Phil’s been on plenty of the teams that have underachieved. I don’t know that his presence is much of a needle mover.
The last time I remember a veteran presence making a difference was Raymond Floyd in 1991. The problem with the American team is the good ‘ol boy network that has plagued the team for years. Get younger and hungrier players, players that don’t know better.
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Morikawa fits that mold. My concern is that the locker room will be dominated by Bryson, Brooks, and Reed.
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Morikawa fits that mold. My concern is that the locker room will be dominated by Bryson, Brooks, and Reed.
Unless Reed makes it on merit he's not going to be there. And right now Captain Floofer is on the outside looking in. And useGOLFfacts is going to blow it's lid.
Brooksie and Koepka will be a big story. I don't the US does well and will get its ass kicked. Love Strick but think he bows to the Jupiter club a bit in picks and doesn't pick the best team but picks friends.
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Back in his prime, his nickname among tour players was FIGJAM.
I think Phil has changed over the years as he went from young hotshot to wily vet. I think he didn't get along with some of his older contemporaries due to ego and cockiness but doesn't have the issue with the younger next wave.
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I think Phil has changed over the years as he went from young hotshot to wily vet. I think he didn't get along with some of his older contemporaries due to ego and cockiness but doesn't have the issue with the younger next wave.
Very likely. That is why I said back in the day. Plus what I have seen, there is respect from the younger guys.
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Very likely. That is why I said back in the day. Plus what I have seen, there is respect from the younger guys.
Respect for old guys doesn’t win matches
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And he needs someone to pair with Bryson.
Koepka. For the entertainment value alone.
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Is there any way to get tix for the RC now other than like StubHub? I might be in Chicago and Milwaukee that week.
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Is there any way to get tix for the RC now other than like StubHub? I might be in Chicago and Milwaukee that week.
Muggs
Do yourself a favor and watch it on TV
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Muggs
Do yourself a favor and watch it on TV
Agreed. If you were at the 2015 PGA and got stuck in the crowds, this is going to be much worse. The cross-over points on the front & back 9's (between holes 2-3 & 6-7 in the front and 11-12 & 15-16) were extreme bottlenecks and basically prevented you from moving past each point. Now you'll have more spectators watching fewer golfers so it's going to be worse. Plus the PGA had huge grandstands at 18, and now most of the groups won't even make it that far. The lake bordering the course is beautiful, but it eliminates half the available space for spectators so things are going to be crowded.
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Agreed. If you were at the 2015 PGA and got stuck in the crowds, this is going to be much worse. The cross-over points on the front & back 9's (between holes 2-3 & 6-7 in the front and 11-12 & 15-16) were extreme bottlenecks and basically prevented you from moving past each point. Now you'll have more spectators watching fewer golfers so it's going to be worse. Plus the PGA had huge grandstands at 18, and now most of the groups won't even make it that far. The lake bordering the course is beautiful, but it eliminates half the available space for spectators so things are going to be crowded.
This is justifying my thought of not going. I was at the last PGA and it was a nightmare on the weekend. Crazy heat and super long lines for food and water. Then you get to the front and they run out.
Are they still selling the same amount of tickets as a PGA? With there only really being a few holes in play at a given time, it would make viewing pretty tough I’d imagine.
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This is justifying my thought of not going. I was at the last PGA and it was a nightmare on the weekend. Crazy heat and super long lines for food and water. Then you get to the front and they run out.
Are they still selling the same amount of tickets as a PGA? With there only really being a few holes in play at a given time, it would make viewing pretty tough I’d imagine.
I went to a Ryder Cup once at Valhalla. As you point out the the fact that there is only a few holes being played at a time makes it not fun to view, the crowds were too large. I ended up going back to the Corporate Tent to watch it on TV and catch the one hole that we were near.
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This is justifying my thought of not going. I was at the last PGA and it was a nightmare on the weekend. Crazy heat and super long lines for food and water. Then you get to the front and they run out.
Are they still selling the same amount of tickets as a PGA? With there only really being a few holes in play at a given time, it would make viewing pretty tough I’d imagine.
They want to pack the place. I forgot the exact number I heard on the No Laying Up podcast but when I heard it, I audibly chortled. That was pre-pandemic. Not sure if that’s changed
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I guess I'll pass. Ty for your suggestions.
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Respect for old guys doesn’t win matches
Exactly. Phil was a pretty meh Ryder Cupper even when he was indisputably one of the world's best golfers. Expecting him to find lightning in a bottle for the second time this year ... that would be asking a lot.
Do yourself a favor and watch it on TV
This.
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Is there any way to get tix for the RC now other than like StubHub? I might be in Chicago and Milwaukee that week.
If you want some let me know, I can get them half off.
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Which half?
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If you want some let me know, I can get them half off.
Half off on which day and from what price? It sounds like it's not worth the trouble but ty for the response.
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Round 1 in Memphis and Harris English playing like he wants to remove all doubt about his RC status.
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Round 1 in Memphis and Harris English playing like he wants to remove all doubt about his RC status.
Been saying it for months, the guy is flushing the irons.
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Apparently he's flushing his irons into lakes. Complete meltdown and very surprising.
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Apparently he's flushing his irons into lakes. Complete meltdown and very surprising.
Don’t pair Harris and Bryson together, if he’s allowed to compete.
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Don’t pair Harris and Bryson together, if he’s allowed to compete.
Bryson is the worst
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Don’t pair Harris and Bryson together, if he’s allowed to compete.
Good point. Maybe this was a blessing in disguise.
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Which leads to .... Who do you pair with Bryson? I think Phil because he may the only one who can. I know all the reasons why it shouldn't be Phil. They arent wrong. My only reason for Phil is I don't know who else can play with Bryson.
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Which leads to .... Who do you pair with Bryson? I think Phil because he may the only one who can. I know all the reasons why it shouldn't be Phil. They arent wrong. My only reason for Phil is I don't know who else can play with Bryson.
Does anyone get along with him? Is it his molasses speed of play or something else Tower?
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Which leads to .... Who do you pair with Bryson? I think Phil because he may the only one who can. I know all the reasons why it shouldn't be Phil. They arent wrong. My only reason for Phil is I don't know who else can play with Bryson.
Sit him for team sessions
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Which leads to .... Who do you pair with Bryson? I think Phil because he may the only one who can. I know all the reasons why it shouldn't be Phil. They arent wrong. My only reason for Phil is I don't know who else can play with Bryson.
Options:
1A. Leave him at home because he isn’t vaccinated. Guessing other players in on points aren’t either though.
1B. Invite Reed to avoid the Justine drama. Pair them together once and sit them until singles. Let them know they are outcasts.
2. Invite Phil or Webb to babysit. I don’t like either on the team this year, but wouldn’t be surprised if they were a Stricker Pick.
3. Put him with Brooks, if healthy. Brooks needs limited play with his knee. Brooks would love the pairing internally. Bryson will falter and look even worse.
4. Put him with Morikawa. Collin can get into scoring distance from anywhere. Bryson has been struggling approach and ATG, but his putting is still good. Bryson hits far and course setup will favor mistakes, Collin sticks it close, Bryson makes the putt.
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Options:
1A. Leave him at home because he isn’t vaccinated. Guessing other players in on points aren’t either though.
1B. Invite Reed to avoid the Justine drama. Pair them together once and sit them until singles. Let them know they are outcasts.
2. Invite Phil or Webb to babysit. I don’t like either on the team this year, but wouldn’t be surprised if they were a Stricker Pick.
3. Put him with Brooks, if healthy. Brooks needs limited play with his knee. Brooks would love the pairing internally. Bryson will falter and look even worse.
4. Put him with Morikawa. Collin can get into scoring distance from anywhere. Bryson has been struggling approach and ATG, but his putting is still good. Bryson hits far and course setup will favor mistakes, Collin sticks it close, Bryson makes the putt.
Interesting points,. The easiest out would be #1. I think if he has to play I would pair him with Morikawa but it would be great theater if he played with Kopeka. At the same time doesn't Whistling Straits favor bombers? Strick has some tough decisions.
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Will there be overserved patrons yelling 'Brooksy' at Bryson at Whistling Straits? Is he such a lightning rod that the heckling won't stop? Or will the home crowd be able to resist and treat him fairly? It sure looked like it was taking its toll on him in Memphis.
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Will there be overserved patrons yelling 'Brooksy' at Bryson at Whistling Straits? Is he such a lightning rod that the heckling won't stop? Or will the home crowd be able to resist and treat him fairly? It sure looked like it was taking its toll on him in Memphis.
He'll be treated fairly. Unless he goes into a roid rage?
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Will there be overserved patrons yelling 'Brooksy' at Bryson at Whistling Straits? Is he such a lightning rod that the heckling won't stop? Or will the home crowd be able to resist and treat him fairly? It sure looked like it was taking its toll on him in Memphis.
I think the USA USA USA! aspect will override most of that. He's still wearing their colors at the end of the day.
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https://www.golfdigest.com/story/ryder-cup-roster-brooks-bryson-reed
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https://www.golfdigest.com/story/ryder-cup-roster-brooks-bryson-reed
Jordan
Harris
Scheffler
Berger
Webb
Burns
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Jordan
Harris
Scheffler
Berger
Webb
Burns
I'd rather Cantlay over Burns, but otherwise I see no issues with that group unless Reed has a hot August.
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Will we throw in two vets? Webb? Phil? Kouchar? Cink? Kisner? I have a hard time believing Reed won't make it. If Reed is picked why not pair him with Bryson? I just don't know what to think among Berger, Cantlay, Scheffer, or Burns. Is this solvable or are we just weak 8-12?
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Will we throw in two vets? Webb? Phil? Kouchar? Cink? Kisner? I have a hard time believing Reed won't make it. If Reed is picked why not pair him with Bryson? I just don't know what to think among Berger, Cantlay, Scheffer, or Burns. Is this solvable or are we just weak 8-12?
Matt Kuchar is dead I think. Kisner has never been on a Ryder Cup. Phil sold his soul at the PGA.
I’m not understanding your discounting of Berger, Scheffler, Cantlay. I could understand Burns but he’s on a heater the last three months.
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Matt Kuchar is dead I think. Kisner has never been on a Ryder Cup. Phil sold his soul at the PGA.
I’m not understanding your discounting of Berger, Scheffler, Cantlay. I could understand Burns but he’s on a heater the last three months.
All of Berger’s stats say he’s been one of the best players in the world over the last year. If Kuchar somehow made the team, Stricker should lose the captaincy.
Veteran leadership is OVERRATED
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Fair enough. I just don't know what Strick is gonna do about Bryson. If he sits him until singles it would really surprise me.
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Fair enough. I just don't know what Strick is gonna do about Bryson. If he sits him until singles it would really surprise me.
Why does he have to be paired with a veteran? Let’s face it, there isn’t a good pairing for Bryson. People keep saying Phil forgetting they got pantsed in ‘18 by the fearsome duo of Sergio Garcia and Alex Noren. They paired Bryson with Tiger on Saturday and that was a blowout, too. Woods tried Finau with him at Royal Melbourne and that was a loss, too. Sit him until Sunday? Yeah, that’s a perfectly fine decision.
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How much of the pairings is impactful and how much is just something for fans to talk about? I feel we play into the drama more than anything.
This is business to these guys. I know some have friendships and rivalries, but feel it’s a little overblown for guys partnering for 18 holes.
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I think the pairings are important.
When does Stricker announce the 6 picks?
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I think the pairings are important.
When does Stricker announce the 6 picks?
I believe it's after the 1st or 2nd FedEx Tournament.
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How much of the pairings is impactful and how much is just something for fans to talk about? I feel we play into the drama more than anything.
This is business to these guys. I know some have friendships and rivalries, but feel it’s a little overblown for guys partnering for 18 holes.
It’s important, very important. For example, what’s going to happen when the Fraudulent Physicist has to play a Chromesoft X? He’s going to blame the ball because he’s Bryson.
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It’s important, very important. For example, what’s going to happen when the Fraudulent Physicist has to play a Chromesoft X? He’s going to blame the ball because he’s Bryson.
How is he a fraud? He was the longest driver last year. Since the start of 2020, he's got a major win, a top 5 in another, and has finished top 40 in all 7 he played. Plus 2 other wins, a top 3 at the Players, and a runner up and a top 10 in WGC events.
You don't have to like the guy and he can be a douche, but calling him a "fraud" or acting like he hasn't had a significant amount of success with his particular methods just makes you sound petty and emotion. A bunch of other fringe American Ryder Cup guys you like would love to be that fraudulent.
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Will we throw in two vets? Webb? Phil? Kouchar? Cink? Kisner? I have a hard time believing Reed won't make it. If Reed is picked why not pair him with Bryson? I just don't know what to think among Berger, Cantlay, Scheffer, or Burns. Is this solvable or are we just weak 8-12?
Kuchar would be to busy trying to get his family into the team room for free meals. F that guy.
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How is he a fraud? He was the longest driver last year. Since the start of 2020, he's got a major win, a top 5 in another, and has finished top 40 in all 7 he played. Plus 2 other wins, a top 3 at the Players, and a runner up and a top 10 in WGC events.
You don't have to like the guy and he can be a douche, but calling him a "fraud" or acting like he hasn't had a significant amount of success with his particular methods just makes you sound petty and emotion. A bunch of other fringe American Ryder Cup guys you like would love to be that fraudulent.
He’s not really a physicist and often gets the science wrong in his explanations of what he’s trying to do, so he is a fraud in that regard. The TV coverage of him as some genius is over the top.
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How is he a fraud? He was the longest driver last year. Since the start of 2020, he's got a major win, a top 5 in another, and has finished top 40 in all 7 he played. Plus 2 other wins, a top 3 at the Players, and a runner up and a top 10 in WGC events.
You don't have to like the guy and he can be a douche, but calling him a "fraud" or acting like he hasn't had a significant amount of success with his particular methods just makes you sound petty and emotion. A bunch of other fringe American Ryder Cup guys you like would love to be that fraudulent.
Probably because on several occasions he has tried to use physics terminology that is completely wrong or misused. His physics knowledge is a complete farce.
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6 captains picks are too many. 3, 4 at the most. Need to reward more of the consistently better players.
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6 captains picks are too many. 3, 4 at the most. Need to reward more of the consistently better players.
I agree, but the US point system needs to be reworked. This year is especially difficult with how many years the points are accumulating.
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Finau locked up his spot today
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Reed may not be available.
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Reed may not be available.
Bad case of vaccinitis
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Very happy to hear about Finau. He seems like a really solid dude. I hope he makes the RC team. I also think he's a good addition on a long course.
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Jordan
Harris
Scheffler
Berger
Webb
Burns
Jordan
Harris
Scheffler
Berger
Burns
Finau
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Jordan
Harris
Scheffler
Berger
Burns
Finau
I think Finau moved up to #6. I assume you would choose Schauffele if he finishes outside the autopicks?
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I think Finau moved up to #6. I assume you would choose Schauffele if he finishes outside the autopicks?
You’re right. Xander a bit of a pillow fighter, but he’s on my team.
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You’re right. Xander a bit of a pillow fighter, but he’s on my team.
Are you all-in on Scheffler, Berger, and Burns? We may have avoided a disaster with Reed likely being out. I'm thinking top 6 and:
Jordan
Xander
Harris
no idea
no idea
no idea
Are you a hard no on Webb Simpson?
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Are you all-in on Scheffler, Berger, and Burns? We may have avoided a disaster with Reed likely being out. I'm thinking top 6 and:
Jordan
Xander
Harris
no idea
no idea
no idea
Are you a hard no on Webb Simpson?
Scheffler and Berger should be locks. Burns I can easily see being overlooked, wouldn’t be upset about it.
I’m a Webb guy, he’s a great teammate and always ready to jump on grenade.
If Phil makes the team though, turncoat time.
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For anyone who has gone to these things... typically what time do the practice rounds get going in earnest? Have tix for Wednesday, and trying to figure out if I can sneak a morning meeting or two in before heading up.
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For anyone who has gone to these things... typically what time do the practice rounds get going in earnest? Have tix for Wednesday, and trying to figure out if I can sneak a morning meeting or two in before heading up.
https://www.rydercup.com/spectator-guide#schedule-of-events
Looks like the Junior Ryder Cup starts at 1, practice rounds at 9. I could be wrong but I’d bet practice rounds are largely over by 1 but that’s a best guess, not factual
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https://www.golfdigest.com/story/mickelson-couples-ryder-cup-2021?utm_medium=email&utm_source=090121&utm_campaign=hitlist&utm_content=DM21066&uuid=85f898e378d547f4aa114b5572e1ddc5
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Good.
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So Kevin Na tied with John Rahm for th actual lowest score at the Tour Championship. I wonder if that is enough to get him a Captains pick
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So Kevin Na tied with John Rahm for th actual lowest score at the Tour Championship. I wonder if that is enough to get him a Captains pick
No pun intended, but nahhh. And also, talk about another annoying playing style
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My picks:
Finau
Xander
Spieth
English
Berger
Scheffler
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My picks:
Finau
Xander
Spieth
English
Berger
Scheffler
This mirrors my picks.
If Brooks is out, Webb or Burns. I could go either way.
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Na got robbed
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My picks:
Finau
Xander
Spieth
English
Berger
Scheffler
Might as well slap a UW hat on Rico and call him Strick.
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Might as well slap a UW hat on Rico and call him Strick.
Team Europe by a dozen
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I have that same feeling.
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I just don't know what to expect from Berger and Scheffler. I guess this means Koepka is fine? I expect the USA to win a close contest.
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I just don't know what to expect from Berger and Scheffler. I guess this means Koepka is fine? I expect the USA to win s close contest.
Berger and Scheffler have been two of the best players in the world over the past year.
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Na got robbed
No he didn't. Na was ranked 19th in Ryder Cup points, Whistling Straits going to play extremely long and Na is way down in driving distance/accuracy stats, course is too long for him and Stricker knows that as well. Plus he drove Justin Thomas crazy with his slow play on the greens two weeks ago and would not make a very good partner in any format.
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Berger and Scheffler have been two of the best players in the world over the past year.
Why do you think the Euros will punk us? I think we have higher ranked players overall.
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Unless I'm seeing things Uncle R we have 9 of the top 11 players in the world all playing on this team. Why on earth will they get destroyed?
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On paper, the US should nearly always win.
How has that played out the last 30 years? Euros usually overperform their rankings. See the Solheim Cup as just the latest example. Rahm is on a mission after being forced to miss the Olympics. Bad juju in the locker room. At least Reed is out.
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Unless I'm seeing things Uncle R we have 9 of the top 11 players in the world all playing on this team. Why on earth will they get destroyed?
Because they always get destroyed? The women had more top 30 players and got mopped. Euros are better at team play than the country club, Jupe-life boys of team USA
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Who is the dog on the American team? Who has the personality to dominate the locker room in a positive fashion?
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No he didn't. Na was ranked 19th in Ryder Cup points, Whistling Straits going to play extremely long and Na is way down in driving distance/accuracy stats, course is too long for him and Stricker knows that as well. Plus he drove Justin Thomas crazy with his slow play on the greens two weeks ago and would not make a very good partner in any format.
That’s the conventional thinking on Na. I believe he would be a pest to guys like Poulter. I also think in the alternate shot foursomes ,with his irons and putting ,he could definitely help win some holes.
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Because they always get destroyed? The women had more top 30 players and got mopped. Euros are better at team play than the country club, Jupe-life boys of team USA
They've clearly underperformed in recent years. It's time for them to sack up and turn things around.
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Who is the dog on the American team? Who has the personality to dominate the locker room in a positive fashion?
I think JT can be that guy. There’s times when you can see the fire in his eyes. Plus, he’s well liked/respected
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I think JT can be that guy. There’s times when you can see the fire in his eyes. Plus, he’s well liked/respected
He also turtles when things aren’t going his way. At least at Whistling Straits, it’ll be setup in such a way the Americans can’t cry about it, though, they probably still will
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US wins this Ryder Cup 18-9
Morikowa going 5-0
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US wins this Ryder Cup 18-9
Morikowa going 5-0
Morikawa won’t play 5 sessions
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Morikawa won’t play 5 sessions
Correct.
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I think JT can be that guy. There’s times when you can see the fire in his eyes. Plus, he’s well liked/respected
Really? JT?
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Morikawa won’t play 5 sessions
Why not ?He is the perfect player in this format, with his laser beam iron shots
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Why not ?He is the perfect player in this format, with his laser beam iron shots
Below average distance off the tee, poor recent form and a possible back injury.
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Morikawa has a back problem. Koepka has a wrist issue.
I can very easily see this going sideways and some overserved patrons going after Bryson.
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That’s the conventional thinking on Na. I believe he would be a pest to guys like Poulter. I also think in the alternate shot foursomes ,with his irons and putting ,he could definitely help win some holes.
Stricker didn't pick players to be "pests". In alternate shot, he also has to hit drives.......Na has also stated himself that he hits five irons to greens and others hit eight/nine irons.
Final pick was between Reed, Scheffler, Simpson and with comment made by Stricker that it was tough to leave Reed off, Na probably only a conversation piece.
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Why not ?He is the perfect player in this format, with his laser beam iron shots
Poor form, shaky putter and a bad back
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Stricker didn't pick players to be "pests". In alternate shot, he also has to hit drives.......Na has also stated himself that he hits five irons to greens and others hit eight/nine irons.
Final pick was between Reed, Scheffler, Simpson and with comment made by Stricker that it was tough to leave Reed off, Na probably only a conversation piece.
The way I look at it Na has been winning tournaments the last few years . Including this past weekend where he actually tied with Rahm for the low score . Scheffler has talent , made money etc, but hasn’t won . It is hard to win tournaments and that is why I like Na.
Doesn’t really matter because US will romp with whoever they play . Europe has bupkis .
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The way I look at it Na has been winning tournaments the last few years . Including this past weekend where he actually tied with Rahm for the low score . Scheffler has talent , made money etc, but hasn’t won . It is hard to win tournaments and that is why I like Na.
Doesn’t really matter because US will romp with whoever they play . Europe has bupkis .
Why is this year different? The US always has “more talent” and usually get the crap kicked out of them. Then again, no Tiger and Phil probably helps immensely
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Why is this year different? The US always has “more talent” and usually get the crap kicked out of them. Then again, no Tiger and Phil probably helps immensely
There ya go Uncle R. That's exactly what I was thinking. We can turn this around and start dominating again.
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What pairings would you go with if you were Strick?
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What pairings would you go with if you were Strick?
Schauffele-Cantlay
Finau-Dechambeau
Koepka-Scheffler
DJ-English
Spieth-Thomas
Berger-Morikawa
I think Xander-Cantlay are locks to play together. Same with Spieth-JT.
Finau and Dechambeau seem good for fourball format. I think the other 6 are sort of interchangeable. Koepka and Scheffler can get a lot of birdies if paired together. DJ can probably be paired with anyone. Him and Morikawa together could be pretty good.
Dechambeau is the wild card. Maybe one of the rookies gets him and they try a high octane DJ-Finau or Brooks-Finau pairing. One way or another, there is going to be a rookie pairing playing on Friday outside X and Cantlay
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Europe has bupkis
Bupkis … except for 12 of the last 17 Ryder Cups.
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Herman, Europe is usually the underdog on paper. Please explain 12 out of 17 and why you think this one will be different.
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Herman, Europe is usually the underdog on paper. Please explain 12 out of 17 and why you think this one will be different.
The event is being played on a tough and long course , which means players have to be in peak form .
Our team is full of guys who are in peak form.
I look at the Europeans as having many of their players not in peak form .
More importantly , they are relying on tired old guys for Captains picks, who while once great in this format, just don’t have the same juice as players as they once did . The problem for the Europeans, is that these are the guys who put a lot of points on the board in these competitions .
So , US will go into day 3 with the lead and it will be game over.
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The event is being played on a tough and long course , which means players have to be in peak form .
Our team is full of guys who are in peak form.
I look at the Europeans as having many of their players not in peak form .
More importantly , they are relying on tired old guys for Captains picks, who while once great in this format, just don’t have the same juice as players as they once did . The problem for the Europeans, is that these are the guys who put a lot of points on the board in these competitions .
So , US will go into day 3 with the lead and it will be game over.
Whistling Straits isn’t tough for pros. It’s long and wide open and Stricker will set it up pillow soft. It’ll be a setup a guy like Rory will thrive on, same with Fleetwood. Rahm will be the best player out of the 24.
You think Morikawa is in form and he isn’t and he’s hurt, so not sure where you’re getting your info from about the Euro team.
Rahm, Hovland and Rory are top 10 on tour in strokes gained overall. Casey and Hatton are ahead of players like Spieth and Morikawa. Fitzpatrick is ahead of English and Scheffler.
Europe has 4 players in the top-10 in strokes gained tee-to-green.
Poulter is 3rd in strokes gained putting. Sergio is still top-20 in distance off the tee and has played well the last 3 weeks.
The one thing that I will agree on is, the old boy network will hurt them if they pick a player like Justin Rose or Henrik Stenson. Sergio and Ian Poulter are playing well enough to deserve a pick. They’d also be better served if Westwood fails to make the team on points, IMO as well.
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Schauffele-Cantlay
Finau-Dechambeau
Koepka-Scheffler
DJ-English
Spieth-Thomas
Berger-Morikawa
I think Xander-Cantlay are locks to play together. Same with Spieth-JT.
Finau and Dechambeau seem good for fourball format. I think the other 6 are sort of interchangeable. Koepka and Scheffler can get a lot of birdies if paired together. DJ can probably be paired with anyone. Him and Morikawa together could be pretty good.
Dechambeau is the wild card. Maybe one of the rookies gets him and they try a high octane DJ-Finau or Brooks-Finau pairing. One way or another, there is going to be a rookie pairing playing on Friday outside X and Cantlay
Hopefully Morikawa has a strong RC. I like your pairings but was definitely thinking Morikawa/DJ. Yes, no idea what Strick will do with Bryson.
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Hopefully Morikawa has a strong RC. I like your pairings but was definitely thinking Morikawa/DJ. Yes, no idea what Strick will do with Bryson.
DJ and Harris have that similar vibe about them. Don’t know if that means anything
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DJ and Harris have that similar vibe about them. Don’t know if that means anything
That's a good point. So do Cantlay and Morikawa. They have an unflappable quality to their game. Cantlay is also sneaky long. He tattooed a drive about 360 to close the show vs Rahm.
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Poulter is 3rd in strokes gained putting. Sergio is still top-20 in distance off the tee and has played well the last 3 weeks.
I get that he’s kind of a douche, but Poulter is gonna go down for me as one of the most underrated golfers of the last 20-25 years. Largely cause he doesn’t win a ton, only 3 PGA tour wins (no majors) and only 15 combined when you add in Europe over a 20 year career. But he consistently plays damn good golf. 6 major Top 10s. You expand it to Top 25 and he has 20 of them. He was top 5 in the world for awhile for a reason.
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Hopefully Morikawa has a strong RC. I like your pairings but was definitely thinking Morikawa/DJ. Yes, no idea what Strick will do with Bryson.
I am bullish on Morikowa. Would love to see him paired with a big hitter in the alternate shot .
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I am bullish on Morikowa. Would love to see him paired with a big hitter in the alternate shot .
Since winning The Open
T-26 at the FedEx St. Jude
MC Northern Trust
T-63 BMW
26th at a 30 man field
And he has a bad back
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Since winning The Open
T-26 at the FedEx St. Jude
MC Northern Trust
T-63 BMW
26th at a 30 man field
And he has a bad back
He will be adrenalized and get the job done
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He will be adrenalized and get the job done
So will Shane Lowry
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No surprise: Poulter, Garcia, Lowry added to the Euro squad.
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No surprise: Poulter, Garcia, Lowry added to the Euro squad.
Europe 26 USA 2
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Europe 26 USA 2
Why no confidence Uncle R? We'll be alright.
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Why no confidence Uncle R? We'll be alright.
Oh, I dunno, the last 30 years or so
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Oh, I dunno, the last 30 years or so
For 20 yrs it hasn't been great but we'll bounce back.
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No surprise: Poulter, Garcia, Lowry added to the Euro squad.
Leaving off Rose had to be a tough call
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In case of tie, have Reed and Rose play it off.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-kxODwKATo
This is why the European team keeps winning. It means more to them.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-kxODwKATo
This is why the European team keeps winning. It means more to them.
Ya....I'm not a fan of that argument and I'm sick of the negativity towards my country. If I stepped on a track vs a cheetah, and it "meant more to me" to run faster in a 100m race, does that mean I would have any chance whatsoever of running a 4.9?
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Ya....I'm not a fan of that argument and I'm sick of the negativity towards my country. If I stepped on a track vs a cheetah, and it "meant more to me" to run faster in a 100m race, does that mean I would have any chance whatsoever of running a 4.9?
Apples to oranges
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Apples to oranges
People generally don't win professional sporting events because they want it more or it "means more" from a perception standpoint. I also don't think it "means more" to the Euros. If our guys choke on putt after putt, or vice versa, it literally has nothing to do with it meaning more/less.
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People generally don't win professional sporting events because they want it more or it "means more" from a perception standpoint. I also don't think it "means more" to the Euros. If our guys choke on putt after putt, or vice versa, it literally has nothing to do with it meaning more/less.
As Rico said, apples to oranges.
USA players aren’t willing to set their brands aside for the team. What player in the 2018 team room wasn’t bitching if asked to sit? Jordan maybe?
Euros are always committed to the Ryder Cup and the USA guys are giving it a secondary commitment at best.
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As Rico said, apples to oranges.
USA players aren’t willing to set their brands aside for the team. What player in the 2018 team room wasn’t bitching if asked to sit? Jordan maybe?
Euros are always committed to the Ryder Cup and the USA guys are giving it a secondary commitment at best.
Most of the Euros spend the majority of their time in the USA. I don't buy this "more committed" nonsense. I mean seriously if we play like crap, well... then we play like crap. All this other noise has zero to do with whether guys are playing well or spraying the ball all over the place. We have more talent, need to get our heads out of our asses, and get the job done.
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Most of the Euros spend the majority of their time in the USA. I don't buy this "more committed" nonsense. I mean seriously if we play like crap, well... then we play like crap. All this other noise has zero to do with whether guys are playing well or spraying the ball all over the place. We have more talent, need to get our heads out of our asses, and get the job done.
Eh, I disagree. I do think it matters more to the Europeans. I think it matters more to American players as they get older but youth is wasted on the young. Tiger, Phil and David Duval didn’t prioritize the Ryder Cup. DJ and Brooks definitely don’t, either.
Golf is an individualistic sport. Euros being in America tend to gravitate towards one another to have a sense of familiarity. It’s why Stricker is working hard to form a team concept right now.
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Eh, I disagree. I do think it matters more to the Europeans. I think it matters more to American players as they get older but youth is wasted on the young. Tiger, Phil and David Duval didn’t prioritize the Ryder Cup. DJ and Brooks definitely don’t, either.
Golf is an individualistic sport. Euros being in America tend to gravitate towards one another to have a sense of familiarity. It’s why Stricker is working hard to form a team concept right now.
We'll agree to disagree Uncle R.
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Eh, I disagree. I do think it matters more to the Europeans. I think it matters more to American players as they get older but youth is wasted on the young. Tiger, Phil and David Duval didn’t prioritize the Ryder Cup. DJ and Brooks definitely don’t, either.
Golf is an individualistic sport. Euros being in America tend to gravitate towards one another to have a sense of familiarity. It’s why Stricker is working hard to form a team concept right now.
Well said.
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I am on Team Rico. The trends for the last 35 years of Ryder Cup show the Europeans consistently outperforming their rankings. Esprit de corps is frequently talked about as a reason. On the American side, we are talking about who can't be paired together. Fleetwood and Molinari make a funny video. Brooks and DJ nearly come to blows.
Muggsy, if it isn't this, how do you explain the European dominance for the last 35?
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While I hear Muggsy on the "want it more" argument, but for me that only applies in absurdity when talking about pro athletes and their peaks. People always loved to talk about Tebow would be an NFL success cause "he works so hard" or "he just wants it more than others" as if every good NFL QB wasn't working hard or wanting it badly.
As for the Ryder Cup, I agree with Rico and others. I look at it like the domestic cups in European soccer. Talent wise, certain clubs should be in the semis or finals of the League Cup or Copa Del Rey or Pokal every year. But for a variety of reasons (rest, priorities, league championship focus) its de-prioritized or not 100% laser focused. Which gives much more opportunity to "lesser" clubs
Same with the Ryder Cup. Talent wise, if all the Americans focused and treated the Ryder Cup like they did the Masters or US Open, they'd probably be overwhelming favorites/successes, but they don't. Whereas the Euros circle it on their calendars. Its an honor for US golfers and a fun time, but I don't think they grow up dreaming of winning Ryder Cups, not like Augusta or hoisting the Wanamaker. I think the Euros might.
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Quotes from Brooks. One of the few guys that could stand up and give that room direction. Instead...
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Americans...
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Quotes from Brooks. One of the few guys that could stand up and give that room direction. Instead...
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Americans...
You'd think after participating in a few of these or president's cups, you could be more accustomed to the change.
Or, perhaps, they just don't want to be involved?
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I would imagine some of it is legacy. How many times is Tiger and Phil’s Ryder Cup record brought up outside of one week every two years? People here mostly care about majors and the money list.
I could be totally wrong, but I bet a Euro player’s legacy in the Ryder Cup is much more prevalent in their home country than the US.
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I would imagine some of it is legacy. How many times is Tiger and Phil’s Ryder Cup record brought up outside of one week every two years? People here mostly care about majors and the money list.
I could be totally wrong, but I bet a Euro player’s legacy in the Ryder Cup is much more prevalent in their home country than the US.
It is but they don’t win as many majors
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It is but they don’t win as many majors
Euro’s? That’s kind of my point. They probably set themselves up to peak for the Ryder Cup rather than the Majors.
Tiger is famous for setting his schedule up for the majors. Brooks talks about only trying during the majors. Especially with the Ryder Cup being after all the majors, I feel the US guys view it more as an off-season event. Maybe the PGA moving to May changes things. But the FedEx Cup requires a lot of playing in consecutive weeks.
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You'd think after participating in a few of these or president's cups, you could be more accustomed to the change.
Or, perhaps, they just don't want to be involved?
Guy is an asshat.
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Same interview, he references Phil's gamesmanship at the PGA. I thought, and even commented, that I thought Phil might have been slow playing him to get in his head.
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Guy is an asshat.
Agreed. Get someone out there that has some pride then .
Look, I understand the points you're all making and the results for the USA have been beyond abysmal. At the same time missing short or key putts, and hacking the ball all over the place, really has nothing to do with camaraderie or wanting it more.
There are many examples of teammates in numerous sports who have not gotten along but yet performed quite well during the highest stakes. These guys need to step the fk up, period. As for Koepka? I am extremely upset by his comments and overall blase attitude. He may in fact be an"asshat" on all levels. I'll take your word for it Retire.
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Look, I understand the points you're all making and the results for the USA have been beyond abysmal. At the same time missing short or key putts, and hacking the ball all over the place, really has nothing to do with camaraderie or wanting it more.
Golf is an extremely mental game. If you're not there mentally due to lack of interest, lack of focus, lack of desire, whatever, the little slips happen, like missed putts, shanked irons, wayward drives.
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It isn't about the US tanking. It is about the Euros playing better than their ranking. And that is affected by their team spirit.
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It isn't about the US tanking. It is about the Euros playing better than their ranking. And that is affected by their team spirit.
Well, what should we do about this? Cocoon ourselves in little balls? We must focus and step-up Tower. There is zero reason why we cannot get the job done.
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Well, what should we do about this? Cocoon ourselves in little balls? We must focus and step-up Tower. There is zero reason why we cannot get the job done.
It's a great question. I think Stricker is trying out a bunch of rookies for a reason. Quite frankly, I'd go all captains picks. Let the captains decide who gets on the team based upon not only results, but a desire to be there. I don't think Brooks wants to be there. Dustin? Probably not.
Every single one of those Euro's want to be on the team.
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It's a great question. I think Stricker is trying out a bunch of rookies for a reason. Quite frankly, I'd go all captains picks. Let the captains decide who gets on the team based upon not only results, but a desire to be there. I don't think Brooks wants to be there. Dustin? Probably not.
Every single one of those Euro's want to be on the team.
Well if that's the case Retire, meaning certain guys do not want to be there, we must have a completely new criteria for fielding a team.
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Well, what should we do about this? Cocoon ourselves in little balls? We must focus and step-up Tower. There is zero reason why we cannot get the job done.
(A) Not 'we.' 'They'
(B) If the Euros win again, it will affect you how, exactly?
(C) It isn't about effort.
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(A) Not 'we.' 'They'
(B) If the Euros win again, it will affect you how, exactly?
(C) It isn't about effort.
Yep, yep and yep.
The American golfers don't represent me, you and Muggsy any more than the European golfers do. They're just golfers. And it's just a competition, not a test of patriotism.
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So you're rooting for the Euros Tower? It's not life or death but of course it affects me. I root for my country and those representing our country.
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I enjoy the theater. And good golf. I honestly won't know who I will be rooting for until I start watching. Regardless of outcome, I won't lose a nanosecond of sleep.
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The Euros can want it more . However this year they are going to get a Heinie Whoopin from the US
Too many guys how were the big point getters in years for The Euros are running on fumes
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The Euros can want it more . However this year they are going to get a Heinie Whoopin from the US
Too many guys how were the big point getters in years for The Euros are running on fumes
I don't understand why people wouldn't root for our own country Herman.
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The Euros can want it more . However this year they are going to get a Heinie Whoopin from the US
Too many guys how were the big point getters in years for The Euros are running on fumes
Plus Tiger isn’t playing for Team USA which is bonus for the Americans
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And exponentially increases the odds I root for the USA.
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I don't understand why people wouldn't root for our own country Herman.
Because they're golfers, they're not "our country." If they were soldiers or ambassadors, I'd root for them.
I won't root against them, either. I will root for great golf and dramatic competition.
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Because they're golfers, they're not "our country." If they were soldiers or ambassadors, I'd root for them.
I won't root against them, either. I will root for great golf and dramatic competition.
So you didn’t root for Simone Biles, the Dream Team, Michael Phelps, etc.?
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So you didn’t root for Simone Biles, the Dream Team, Michael Phelps, etc.?
Yep.....I don't get it Lenny. They don't make any sense me.
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Yep.....I don't get it Lenny. They don't make any sense me.
American professional golfers are not very likable?
Collin? Little flashes of personality.
DJ? Nothing here.
Bryson? A lot going on here, can’t shut up.
Brooks? Thinks he’s a real athlete, tries really, really hard to be the cool golfer.
JT? Preppy Titleist boy that still uses homophobic slurs.
Cantlay? Slowest player on tour, but a killer.
Jordan? Electrifying.
Big Tone? Probably the most gifted talent, struggles to figure it out.
Xander? Loves limited field events.
Harris? Everyday killer that uses every sponsorship inch on his polo.
Berger? Another killer, he’s going to get into so many asses.
Scheffler? Create a player from UT.
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American professional golfers are not very likable?
Collin? Little flashes of personality.
DJ? Nothing here.
Bryson? A lot going on here, can’t shut up.
Brooks? Thinks he’s a real athlete, tries really, really hard to be the cool golfer.
JT? Preppy Titleist boy that still uses homophobic slurs.
Cantlay? Slowest player on tour, but a killer.
Jordan? Electrifying.
Big Tone? Probably the most gifted talent, struggles to figure it out.
Xander? Loves limited field events.
Harris? Everyday killer that uses every sponsorship inch on his polo.
Berger? Another killer, he’s going to get into so many asses.
Scheffler? Create a player from UT.
People loved Tiger and he doesn't exactly have a riveting personality. But you make a good point. Another Lee Trevino would be nice.
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So you didn’t root for Simone Biles, the Dream Team, Michael Phelps, etc.?
I did. I enjoyed watching all those great competitors, and many more.
I also rooted for Usain Bolt, Nadia Comaneci, Alberto Tomba, Katarina Witt, and the Jamaican Bobsled Team.
Did you root against them and other incredible performers because, and only because, they weren't Americans?
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I did. I enjoyed watching all those great competitors, and many more.
I also rooted for Usain Bolt, Nadia Comaneci, Alberto Tomba, Katarina Witt, and the Jamaican Bobsled Team.
Did you root against them and other incredible performers because, and only because, they weren't Americans?
If they're in the same event as an American athlete I root for the American. Even if they for all intents and purposes have no chance. When Marquette is playing against a team with a great player or someone I like I still root for MU.
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If they're in the same event as an American athlete I root for the American. Even if they for all intents and purposes have no chance. When Marquette is playing against a team with a great player or someone I like I still root for MU.
Well, that is your right.
I rooted for Bolt every time he ran. If that makes me less of a "patriot" than you, I can accept that.
Quick question, though, Muggs:
Who do you root for when Rafa plays an American?
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Well, that is your right.
I rooted for Bolt every time he ran. If that makes me less of a "patriot" than you, I can accept that.
Quick question, though, Muggs:
Who do you root for when Rafa plays an American?
Because we have no American man who is competitive at all and playing for GS titles.
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Because we have no American man who is competitive at all and playing for GS titles.
So you’ll only root for Americans when they have a chance and aren’t a bunch of losers?
How patriotic.
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Come on guys. Read the room. Keep your crap to yourselves.
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I’ll admit I don’t cheer for the Americans in the Ryder Cup. There are a lot of pampered crybabies on that team. If I have to cheer for the American team because of patriotism, then maybe the American players should take playing for America a little more seriously, too.
The Euros have plenty of knobs on their team with Garcia and Poulter leading the way but they want to be there and they want to win
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Because we have no American man who is competitive at all and playing for GS titles.
Game, set and match. Thanks for playing, though, Muggs!
Glad we'll both be rooting for Rafa in the Australian Open, no matter who he plays. Here's hoping he's fully healthy.
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Of course Stricker is playing in South Dakota this week. Why not?
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Of course Stricker is playing in South Dakota this week. Why not?
I don't understand this criticism. Will the players be onsite this weekend? Have the European players arrived? What problems does playing this weekend present?
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Of course Stricker is playing in South Dakota this week. Why not?
Yeah, that’s fine. It’s not like he’s flying in from Australia or something. He’s got his vice-captains in place and I’m guessing pairings are locked in
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I don't understand this criticism. Will the players be onsite this weekend? Have the European players arrived? What problems does playing this weekend present?
Yes, most players are in the area. Some Euros are there. Stricker should be on-site, but Americans going to America.
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https://twitter.com/geoffshac/status/1438175964660256768?s=21
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https://twitter.com/geoffshac/status/1438175964660256768?s=21
100%
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Brooks said the quiet part out loud. Tiger struggled in these events. Phil, though more gregarious, struggled in these events. They were a disaster together at Oakland Hills. Duval wondered what the big deal was. Many do. Few say it out loud.
Read bios of many American professional golfers and at some point you will see that many chose golf over other sports because they didnt want to rely on anyone else. But for one weekend a year, they try to go against this instinct.
I think Koepka's wrist gives him a perfect out.
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I did. I enjoyed watching all those great competitors, and many more.
I also rooted for Usain Bolt, Nadia Comaneci, Alberto Tomba, Katarina Witt, and the Jamaican Bobsled Team.
Did you root against them and other incredible performers because, and only because, they weren't Americans?
So you’re a front runner who cheers for the favorite regardless of country. I root for the Americans whether they’re #1 or not. I feel the same way about Marquette players. You don’t?
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So you’ll only root for Americans when they have a chance and aren’t a bunch of losers?
How patriotic.
If an American played Nadal I would root for the American, it's just that this almost never happens. Especially deep in grand slam tournaments. But when he matches up with say Isner or another American in the draw? I root for the American. I miswrote replying to MU82 but he understood my point. Apparently you did not FBM.
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So you’re a front runner who cheers for the favorite regardless of country. I root for the Americans whether they’re #1 or not. I feel the same way about Marquette players. You don’t?
I feel these sports are a little unique. In golf and tennis, for the most part it is very individualized. They are American, but I don’t view them as representing America. I’d maybe cheer for an American all things being equal, but I like Nadal, Rory, etc., so I’d maybe root for them over an American I wasn’t as fond of.
Now when they play Ryder Cup or Davis Cup, I view that as representing America, so I’ll cheer for my country.
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Brooks said the quiet part out loud. Tiger struggled in these events. Phil, though more gregarious, struggled in these events. They were a disaster together at Oakland Hills. Duval wondered what the big deal was. Many do. Few say it out loud.
Read bios of many American professional golfers and at some point you will see that many chose golf over other sports because they didnt want to rely on anyone else. But for one weekend a year, they try to go against this instinct.
I think Koepka's wrist gives him a perfect out.
And for a take that many in the golf community might not like...its totally fine to have that perspective and opinion. I think the intersection of needing the best to play cause thats how qualification is and the apathy is the issue. If they made it all Captain's picks and if you didn't want to play like Koepka or others, NBD, it would be better overall.
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To take it one step further, for years Phil complained out loud about the Fed Ex Cup playoff format. They tinkered with it, putting an off week in the middle, finally eliminating a tournament. Phil wasn't alone in these complaints. Professional golfers have kvetched about having to travel to Australia/Korea/Asia for a week for the President's cup. It is a commitment. For some top American golfers, this is just an inconvenient week when they would rather be doing something else. Namely, resting and rehabbing.
While the Euros treat it as a mission. IMO, this explains the results of the last 3 decades.
IMO, make the President's Cup the play-in for the Ryder cup. Win the Ryder Cup, get a year off from this. Let the losing side of the Ryder Cup play the International team next year to play for the Ryder Cup in two years. If the International side wins, and then wins the Ryder Cup, you again get USA v Europe with the right to recover the Ryder cup on the line.
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To take it one step further, for years Phil complained out loud about the Fed Ex Cup playoff format. They tinkered with it, putting an off week in the middle, finally eliminating a tournament. Phil wasn't alone in these complaints. Professional golfers have kvetched about having to travel to Australia/Korea/Asia for a week for the President's cup. It is a commitment. For some top American golfers, this is just an inconvenient week when they would rather be doing something else. Namely, resting and rehabbing.
While the Euros treat it as a mission. IMO, this explains the results of the last 3 decades.
IMO, make the President's Cup the play-in for the Ryder cup. Win the Ryder Cup, get a year off from this. Let the losing side of the Ryder Cup play the International team next year to play for the Ryder Cup in two years. If the International side wins, and then wins the Ryder Cup, you again get USA v Europe with the right to recover the Ryder cup on the line.
I want the President's Cup to be a mixed gender event.
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So you’re a front runner who cheers for the favorite regardless of country. I root for the Americans whether they’re #1 or not. I feel the same way about Marquette players. You don’t?
I root for people I enjoy watching compete. I'm genuinely surprised you're making this a test of patriotism, Tony.
If an American played Nadal I would root for the American, it's just that this almost never happens. Especially deep in grand slam tournaments. But when he matches up with say Isner or another American in the draw? I root for the American. I miswrote replying to MU82 but he understood my point. Apparently you did not FBM.
Again, this is a silly argument/discussion/patriotism test. It's like the flag-on-the-lapel thing.
But sorry, Muggs ... based on everything you've said on the tennis board ever since you joined Scoop -- mostly, your obvious, undying love of Rafa -- I do not believe that you have rooted for Isner or other Americans when they have played Rafa in early rounds of events.
And that's cool. Isner doesn't "represent" America (except when playing in the Olympics or Davis Cup, I suppose), and Rafa doesn't "represent" non-Americans. They're just athletes. You should cheer for who you want, not feel you have some kind of patriotism test or obligation. It's nice to have freedom, no?
In something that matters -- like war, security or economic superiority -- I always root for the American. I would think that would be enough ... but apparently not.
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I root for people I enjoy watching compete. I'm genuinely surprised you're making this a test of patriotism, Tony.
Again, this is a silly argument/discussion/patriotism test. It's like the flag-on-the-lapel thing.
But sorry, Muggs ... based on everything you've said on the tennis board ever since you joined Scoop -- mostly, your obvious, undying love of Rafa -- I do not believe that you have rooted for Isner or other Americans when they have played Rafa in early rounds of events.
And that's cool. Isner doesn't "represent" America (except when playing in the Olympics or Davis Cup, I suppose), and Rafa doesn't "represent" non-Americans. They're just athletes. You should cheer for who you want, not feel you have some kind of patriotism test or obligation. It's nice to have freedom, no?
In something that matters -- like war, security or economic superiority -- I always root for the American. I would think that would be enough ... but apparently not.
Cheebs made a good point about team play vs individual play in golf/tennis. You should not be rooting for the Euros in the RC is all I'm saying.
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Cheebs made a good point about team play vs individual play in golf/tennis. You should not be rooting for the Euros in the RC is all I'm saying.
Why? Half the American players could care less about representing their country
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Why? Half the American players could care less about representing their country
Because it's important to be nationalistic and proud of your country despite recent debacles. It's a team representing the USA. There's far too much Anti-Americanism, especially in light of the myriad of assheads across the globe.
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Because it's important to be nationalistic and proud of your country despite recent debacles. It's a team representing the USA. There's far too much Anti-Americanism, especially in light of the myriad of assheads across the globe.
It is important to be at least somewhat patriotic and have pride in what your country stands for. It is terrible to be nationalistic.
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It is important to be at least somewhat patriotic and have pride in what your country stands for. It is terrible to be nationalistic.
This is nonsense. Unless you define nationalism only as white supremacy.
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I root for people I enjoy watching compete. I'm genuinely surprised you're making this a test of patriotism, Tony.
I don’t know how many times people on this board have said they root for the name on the front of the jersey, not the one on the back. Joey Hauser, Theo John, Ryan Braun (pick any name) may not be a player they particularly care for, but as long as they have Marquette, Milwaukee or another name we love on the front of their jersey we cheer for them. When Isner plays Nadal in the Australian Open, their is no name on the front of the jersey. Same thing when Tiger or Reed are tied with Ian Poulter on the 18th tee at Augusta. Where the players call home is beside the point - it’s all about themselves as individuals. But when Isner, Woods or Reed have USA on the front of their jersey it’s different - assuming you love the USA like you love Marquette, Milwaukee or wherever. Why people are resistant to this logic escapes me.
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Because it's important to be nationalistic and proud of your country despite recent debacles. It's a team representing the USA. There's far too much Anti-Americanism, especially in light of the myriad of assheads across the globe.
Being American gives me a chance to choose who I cheer for or against
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Sorry, Muggsy. I haven't done jingoism for a long, long time.
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This is nonsense. Unless you define nationalism only as white supremacy.
Patriotic: "having or expressing devotion to and vigorous support for one's country."
Nationalistic: "having or expressing strong identification with one's own nation and vigorous support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations."
At best I am somewhat patriotic. I am not nationalistic in the least.
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Patriotic: "having or expressing devotion to and vigorous support for one's country."
Nationalistic: "having or expressing strong identification with one's own nation and vigorous support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations."
At best I am somewhat patriotic. I am not nationalistic in the least.
That being said, I will root for the USA in team sporting events (such as the Ryder Cup, Team USA basketball, etc.) as a default. But all of these things are well down on my level of fandom. My college and professional rooting interests carry more weight.
And if I were invested enough into golf that a couple of the players on the European team were my favorites, I might root for them as well. Like if Giannis were playing for Team Greece in the Olympics, I could see myself rooting for them.
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That being said, I will root for the USA in team sporting events (such as the Ryder Cup, Team USA basketball, etc.) as a default. But all of these things are well down on my level of fandom. My college and professional rooting interests carry more weight.
And if I were invested enough into golf that a couple of the players on the European team were my favorites, I might root for them as well. Like if Giannis were playing for Team Greece in the Olympics, I could see myself rooting for them.
That last sentence is not accurate in your definition of nationalism. Whether Wikipedia or wherever you got it says so or not. You can act in your self-interest and it not be to the detriment of other nations. And by the way that definition intimates that acting to the detriment of certain nations is evil or wrong 100% of the time and that's not at all the case in the annals of history.
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That last sentence is not accurate in your definition of nationalism. Whether Wikipedia or wherever you got it says so or not. You can act in your self-interest and it not be to the detriment of other nations. And by the way that definition intimates that acting to the detriment of certain nations is evil or wrong 100% of the time and that's not at all the case in the annals of history.
It is literally the dictionary definition.
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It is literally the dictionary definition.
That's not accurate. You don't think one can be nationalistic without it being to the detriment of other nations? One of my best friends is Icelandic. He insists he lives in the best country in the world for a variety of reasons. He would describe himself as nationalistic and believes strongly in the greatness of his country and the values they believe in. They don't have a standing army FWIW. How exactly is this a detriment to other nations?
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That's not accurate. You don't think one can be nationalistic without it being to the detriment of other nations? One of my best friends is Icelandic. He insists he lives in the best country in the world for a variety of reasons. He would describe himself as nationalistic and believes strongly in the greatness of his country and the values they believe in. They don't have a standing army FWIW. How exactly is this a detriment to other nations?
Just because he is Icelandic, that doesn’t mean he sets to determine the definition of a word.
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Just because he is Icelandic, that doesn’t mean he sets to determine the definition of a word.
I see. You're Icelandaphobic and have no retort because it's literally impossible to suggest that his nationalistic beliefs are threatening to other nations. My issue with this definition is the insinuation a) that in all cases being nationalistic connotes self-interest at the peril of other nations and b) that all governments representing their people have equal values. Meaning if you do anything remotely nationalistic, and it stops genocide or ruthless tyranny, because it's "to the detriment" of another country, it's automatically wrong. That's simply not true and history is replete with example after example after example where this is the case. If people had listened to Churchill much earlier, an admitted nationalist, 100 million lives would have probably been saved.
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American professional golfers are not very likable?
Collin? Little flashes of personality.
DJ? Nothing here.
Bryson? A lot going on here, can’t shut up.
Brooks? Thinks he’s a real athlete, tries really, really hard to be the cool golfer.
JT? Preppy Titleist boy that still uses homophobic slurs.
Cantlay? Slowest player on tour, but a killer.
Jordan? Electrifying.
Big Tone? Probably the most gifted talent, struggles to figure it out.
Xander? Loves limited field events.
Harris? Everyday killer that uses every sponsorship inch on his polo.
Berger? Another killer, he’s going to get into so many asses.
Scheffler? Create a player from UT.
I understand why Kevin Na was not picked for the US.
However , I thought he would add a bit of levity and quirky personality to the US team . Not to mention a very good putter and short game . Thought he would be good TV.
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Being American gives me a chance to choose who I cheer for or against
Of course you have that right. And much, much more. Among them, you have the right to despise America and leave anytime. Many threaten to if an election goes against their preferred candidate. Very few do. I wonder why that is.
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I don’t know how many times people on this board have said they root for the name on the front of the jersey, not the one on the back. Joey Hauser, Theo John, Ryan Braun (pick any name) may not be a player they particularly care for, but as long as they have Marquette, Milwaukee or another name we love on the front of their jersey we cheer for them. When Isner plays Nadal in the Australian Open, their is no name on the front of the jersey. Same thing when Tiger or Reed are tied with Ian Poulter on the 18th tee at Augusta. Where the players call home is beside the point - it’s all about themselves as individuals. But when Isner, Woods or Reed have USA on the front of their jersey it’s different - assuming you love the USA like you love Marquette, Milwaukee or wherever. Why people are resistant to this logic escapes me.
It doesn't matter to me what "people on this board have said," Tony. I'll root for who I want to root for.
The fact that some people here think those who don't automatically root for every American in any international competition means they somehow are unpatriotic ... that's pretty funny.
As an aside ...
DeChambeau says his prep for some dopey long-drive competition is "wrecking" his hands, so obviously he's not all-in on the U.S. Ryder Cup team. And if one of the damn players isn't all-in, why should anybody who isn't on the team be all-in?
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It doesn't matter to me what "people on this board have said," Tony. I'll root for who I want to root for.
The fact that some people here think those who don't automatically root for every American in any international competition means they somehow are unpatriotic ... that's pretty funny.
As an aside ...
DeChambeau says his prep for some dopey long-drive competition is "wrecking" his hands, so obviously he's not all-in on the U.S. Ryder Cup team. And if one of the damn players isn't all-in, why should anybody who isn't on the team be all-in?
Absurd comments by De Charcuterie and moronic he is competing in the long-drive.
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I understand why Kevin Na was not picked for the US.
However , I thought he would add a bit of levity and quirky personality to the US team . Not to mention a very good putter and short game . Thought he would be good TV.
Sheesh, I don’t hate this take. I want to hate it, but I cannot.
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It doesn't matter to me what "people on this board have said," Tony. I'll root for who I want to root for.
The fact that some people here think those who don't automatically root for every American in any international competition means they somehow are unpatriotic ... that's pretty funny.
Mike
Of course you can root for or against any team you choose.
I root for Marquette, the White Sox and the USA because I prefer them to their opponents.
If we agree on Marquette but you prefer the Red Sox and China to the White Sox and the USA that’s OK with me.
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Mike
Of course you can root for or against any team you choose.
I root for Marquette, the White Sox and the USA because I prefer them to their opponents.
If we agree on Marquette but you prefer the Red Sox and China to the White Sox and the USA that’s OK with me.
Phew! I dodged a bullet there. I'd hate to get on your bad side -- especially over such a silly subject.
I definitely have never rooted for the Red Sox, as I grew up a Yankee fan (though I haven't really rooted for the Yankees for some time, either.)
Not sure I've ever rooted for China over the USA in an international competition, but I did get to watch Yao Ming work out for NBA GMs at Loyola's Gentile Center (of all places) in 2002. I believe the guard the NBA brought in to pass the ball to Yao during the workout was none other than Cordell Henry.
We Are Marquette!
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I see. You're Icelandaphobic and have no retort because it's literally impossible to suggest that his nationalistic beliefs are threatening to other nations. My issue with this definition is the insinuation a) that in all cases being nationalistic connotes self-interest at the peril of other nations and b) that all governments representing their people have equal values. Meaning if you do anything remotely nationalistic, and it stops genocide or ruthless tyranny, because it's "to the detriment" of another country, it's automatically wrong. That's simply not true and history is replete with example after example after example where this is the case. If people had listened to Churchill much earlier, an admitted nationalist, 100 million lives would have probably been saved.
Keep arguing with the dictionary Muggs. I’m no nationalist and it would be better if less people were.
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Of course you have that right. And much, much more. Among them, you have the right to despise America and leave anytime. Many threaten to if an election goes against their preferred candidate. Very few do. I wonder why that is.
Ok?
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I quit automatically rooting for USA sports teams with the Dream team. Detested Jordan that much. And the team was made up of a lot of guys I had rooted against for their entire careers. They were so much better that it affected my perception of the Olympics to this day.
Ryder Cup was about Tiger. My dislike of him in his prime was such that it was worth it to me to watch his team lose.
I've mellowed with time in my opinions of both Jordan and Tiger so that I now wish them well.
Third, when I don't have a strong rooting interest, I always root for the underdog. I like the theater of the long shot.
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I see. You're Icelandaphobic and have no retort because it's literally impossible to suggest that his nationalistic beliefs are threatening to other nations. My issue with this definition is the insinuation a) that in all cases being nationalistic connotes self-interest at the peril of other nations and b) that all governments representing their people have equal values. Meaning if you do anything remotely nationalistic, and it stops genocide or ruthless tyranny, because it's "to the detriment" of another country, it's automatically wrong. That's simply not true and history is replete with example after example after example where this is the case. If people had listened to Churchill much earlier, an admitted nationalist, 100 million lives would have probably been saved.
You’re correct. The definition of nationalism provided by FBM is not “literally THE definition of the word”. Rather it is honestly A definition - as in one of many. Depending on how it is used (and the bias of the user) the word has several definitions and can carry a positive, negative or neutral connotation.
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You’re correct. The definition of nationalism provided by FBM is not “literally THE definition of the word”. Rather it is honestly A definition - as in one of many. Depending on how it is used (and the bias of the user) the word has several definitions and can carry a positive, negative or neutral connotation.
Source?
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You’re correct. The definition of nationalism provided by FBM is not “literally THE definition of the word”. Rather it is honestly A definition - as in one of many. Depending on how it is used (and the bias of the user) the word has several definitions and can carry a positive, negative or neutral connotation.
Actually I looked it up on a few sites, and they are pretty much all like this. Here is Miriam-Webster's
: loyalty and devotion to a nation
especially : a sense of national consciousness (see CONSCIOUSNESS sense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
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I don't think I could ever root against a player competing on behalf of our country. While I appreciate the effort of Lithuania, Slovenia or Spain, etc. in Hoops, I always in the end, want Team USA to win.
When it comes to the Ryder Cup, I just hope that some of the guys I like carry us and I don't have to deal with some of the a-holes I can't stand carrying the team.
Now in the French Open, it's definitely possible that I find a Euro more cheer worthy than a individual American. But I don't think of those events as one where they are playing for their country.
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Actually I looked it up on a few sites, and they are pretty much all like this. Here is Miriam-Webster's
: loyalty and devotion to a nation
especially : a sense of national consciousness (see CONSCIOUSNESS sense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
The dictionary definition has changed over the years in light of a number of events but the negative connotation attached to the definition is clearly based on context and is interpretative. The idea that all those that are nationalistic are so to the detriment of other nations is simply false whether it's in Webster's or anywhere else. That's a total mickey-mouse definition propagated by academics and others that want the word only to have a negative slant. There are also many nuances as well as anomalies to the traditional definition of nationalism which refers to a shared culture and language.
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Discussion about a golf event turns into arguments about semantics, definitions and patriotism.
Classic Scoop.
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Actually I looked it up on a few sites, and they are pretty much all like this. Here is Miriam-Webster's
: loyalty and devotion to a nation
especially : a sense of national consciousness (see CONSCIOUSNESS sense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
There are many definitions of nationalism. The ones you picked are valid, so are others you omit.
Nationalism, according to Dictionary.com:
1. Spirit or aspirations common to the whole of a nation
2. Devotion and loyalty to ones country; patriotism
3. Excessive patriotism; chauvinism
4. The desire for national advancement or political independence.
5. The policy of asserting the interest of one’s own nation viewed as separate from the interests of all nations
6. An idiom or trait peculiar to a nation.
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Phil Mickelson says the Euros win The Ryder Cup because of their locker room. Because they have trust in each other and their process.
Dammit, Phil. Quit agreeing with me.
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Phil Mickelson says the Euros win The Ryder Cup because of their locker room. Because they have trust in each other and their process.
Dammit, Phil. Quit agreeing with me.
Phil's a commie? Who knew?
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Phil's a commie? Who knew?
Who didn't?
https://golf.com/news/phil-mickelson-reveals-secrets-europe-ryder-cup-success/
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FWIW, interview schedule is as follows:
Spieth-JT
Fraudulent Physicist-Sheffler
Brooks-Finau
DJ-Morikawa
Berger-English
Xander-Cantlay
Rory-Hovland
Westwood-Garcia
Poulter-Lowry
Fleetwood-Burnt Cheezeberger
Casey-Fitzpatrick
Hatton-Rahm
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Will Bryson get his first ever Ryder Cup point this week? 0-5 so far.
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Will Bryson get his first ever Ryder Cup point this week? 0-5 so far.
Yes. US is going to win something like 18-9 and Bryson will join in the fun.
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Will Bryson get his first ever Ryder Cup point this week? 0-5 so far.
He’s unplayable in alternate shot. But Stricker will listen to the diaper boys of Team USA and set the course up pillow soft with very forgiving greens and easy pins so Diaper Boy Bryson can bomb and gouge. That will help him immensely. If the course was a proper test of golf, no way he’d get a point
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Some of you guys talk like Bryson dumped your sister and insulted your mom in the same weekend. Good lord.
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Some of you guys talk like Bryson dumped your sister and insulted your mom in the same weekend. Good lord.
My sister has better taste than that
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I actually feel bad for him. He seems like he wants to be liked. But his record is his record. And his playing style is his playing style. And the US Ryder cup record over the last 35 years is abysmal.
There aren't going to be many Euro fans at the event. if Bryson plays poorly, I can see some overserved fans turning on him.
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I actually feel bad for him. He seems like he wants to be liked. But his record is his record. And his playing style is his playing style. And the US Ryder cup record over the last 35 years is abysmal.
There aren't going to be many Euro fans at the event. if Bryson plays poorly, I can see some overserved fans turning on him.
I don’t feel bad for him because he believes the crap he says.
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Looks like Euros were flying over today. So not like Stricker was the only one not around.
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I actually feel bad for him. He seems like he wants to be liked. But his record is his record. And his playing style is his playing style. And the US Ryder cup record over the last 35 years is abysmal.
There aren't going to be many Euro fans at the event. if Bryson plays poorly, I can see some overserved fans turning on him.
Meaning what exactly? Booing him and yelling Brooksy? Maybe he plays well Tower? Either way I don't expect the fans to turn on him unless he does something really stupid. Especially if this is a close contest overall which I expect it to be.
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'If' was the key word, Muggsy. If he plays well, no one will care or yell anything.
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'If' was the key word, Muggsy. If he plays well, no one will care or yell anything.
Well, as you've rightly pointed out, we've had many RC players not show up. Tiger Woods for example. Do you believe people will turn on him just because he's unlikable and has bizarre mannerisms? I dunno.
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I am expecting a big performance from Colin Morikowa . I think the format is perfect for his style of game .
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I am expecting a big performance from Colin Morikowa . I think the format is perfect for his style of game .
If he’s making putts and isn’t injured still.
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If he’s making putts and isn’t injured still.
I think the foursomes favor Colins game. On half the holes he can hit the approach . If they pair him with a good putter they will win a lot of holes .
It is the same logic the Euros have used with Sergio over the years in foursomes . Sergio is a lousy putter but can hit it very close on the approach .
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For those of you looking for some Ryder cup stories, the No Laying Up podcast released a compilation of all the Ryder Cup stories that have been told over the years during their multiple interviews of professional players. I highly recommend it... some great stuff. when you hear Paul Azinger talking about playing Seve Ballestreros and the bad blood they had, you'll better understand his comments directed towards Brooks. Good stuff.
https://podbay.fm/p/no-laying-up-golf-podcast/e/1631725200
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Has anyone been to a Ryder Cup before? Any suggestions for those of us going for the first time? Is it best to follow along with a group or try to set up at a couple specific holes? It seems like with only a few holes in play at any given time on Thur and Fri it could be pretty crowded.
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Has anyone been to a Ryder Cup before? Any suggestions for those of us going for the first time? Is it best to follow along with a group or try to set up at a couple specific holes? It seems like with only a few holes in play at any given time on Thur and Fri it could be pretty crowded.
Thursday is still a practice round. First tee is loud and goosed up pretty good, regardless of venue and you see all the groups start. A friend of mine said the 6th and 12th will be good spots as well, he’s volunteering. Following a group is tough sledding at Whistling Straits given the terrain
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Thursday is still a practice round. First tee is loud and goosed up pretty good, regardless of venue and you see all the groups start. A friend of mine said the 6th and 12th will be good spots as well, he’s volunteering. Following a group is tough sledding at Whistling Straits given the terrain
Gotta choose the best spots to shout, "Brooksie!"
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Gotta choose the best spots to shout, "Brooksie!"
Having been up there for the PGA in ‘04 and ‘15, I honestly don’t know what will be a good way to follow. There’s a few spots where you can see multiple holes like the bleachers at 12 and 6 but with the bodies they plan on jamming onto the property, following a group may be near impossible. I might find a spot where a giant tv is setup for part of the day
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Having been up there for the PGA in ‘04 and ‘15, I honestly don’t know what will be a good way to follow. There’s a few spots where you can see multiple holes like the bleachers at 12 and 6 but with the bodies they plan on jamming onto the property, following a group may be near impossible. I might find a spot where a giant tv is setup for part of the day
Looking at the course map, I was thinking 6 might be a good spot to be too. Picking an area to settle in on the back half seems a little tougher, though. Might try to spend some time at 12 and some time at 16. I think no matter where you go it'll be packed.
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Looking at the course map, I was thinking 6 might be a good spot to be too. Picking an area to settle in on the back half seems a little tougher, though. Might try to spend some time at 12 and some time at 16. I think no matter where you go it'll be packed.
Depending how much action gets to 16, it isn’t bad spot up by the green.
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Has anyone been to a Ryder Cup before? Any suggestions for those of us going for the first time? Is it best to follow along with a group or try to set up at a couple specific holes? It seems like with only a few holes in play at any given time on Thur and Fri it could be pretty crowded.
Post up. Either in front of a TV. Or, try to find a green/tee on the front 9 and back 9 near each other. Watch all groups come through the front then move to the back and wait for them to come through. Repeat for the afternoon sessions.
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My guy is ready to own this event
https://www.rydercup.com/news-media/morikawa-feels-healthy-back-on-track-at-whistling-straits
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My guy is ready to own this event
https://www.rydercup.com/news-media/morikawa-feels-healthy-back-on-track-at-whistling-straits
Does he have the Euro golfers so intimidated that they are in awe of him and therefore don't stand a chance?
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Woosy unloaded on Kopeka. What an awesome swing from the portly Welshman. His club head speed must be the reason for his serious pop?
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Does he have the Euro golfers so intimidated that they are in awe of him and therefore don't stand a chance?
No Colin just hits laser shots with his irons, which comes in incredibly handy on this course.
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No Colin just hits laser shots with his irons, which comes in incredibly handy on this course.
I hope he does well. Would be nice to see a relative newcomer excel in this format.
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No Colin just hits laser shots with his irons, which comes in incredibly handy on this course.
As a proud one L Colin it pains me to point out that Morikawa is a two L Collin
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Watching the practice rounds yesterday was really interesting. Two very different approaches between the two squads. The Euros set up targets in each quadrant of the greens and chipped/putted to them to get a feel for where the pins might be. The Americans did some of that, but not nearly as thorough. Also, they stopped after 9, where as the Euros played 18, the second nine as alternate shot.
I got pretty close to a couple of tee boxes and greens, and the difference in demeanor was striking. The Americans looked tight. Very little interaction with each other, or the crowd. Europeans seemed to be enjoying themselves, looked much looser. We'll see what happens on Friday, but from an American perspective I didn't love what I saw.
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I hope he does well. Would be nice to see a relative newcomer excel in this format.
Sergio hits laser irons which will come in handy on this course
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Watching the practice rounds yesterday was really interesting. Two very different approaches between the two squads. The Euros set up targets in each quadrant of the greens and chipped/putted to them to get a feel for where the pins might be. The Americans did some of that, but not nearly as thorough. Also, they stopped after 9, where as the Euros played 18, the second nine as alternate shot.
Americans did 18 on Tuesday and Europeans did 9. Flipped on Wednesday.
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I confess that the idea of having a team full of rookies and younger players lacking the emotional scar tissue of being the Euro team's pinata is starting to grow on me.
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I confess that the idea of having a team full of rookies and younger players lacking the emotional scar tissue of being the Euro team's pinata is starting to grow on me.
Make a team/roster out of players that WANT to be there, rather than forcing players in based on rankings, etc.
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I am also wondering if Koepka is using the reaction to his comments as fuel.
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Sergio hits laser irons which will come in handy on this course
Not one of my faves on the Euro team.
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Not one of my faves on the Euro team.
I think Sergio , Poulter and Westwood all have no gas left in the tanks. That is a lot of points that will swing USA way this event .
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Wind direction on Saturday going to be very different from Friday. Be fun to see them adapt.
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Pairings out for the Morning Foursomes
Looks like the US will get out to a 4-0 lead.
https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/2021-ryder-cup-pairings-foursomes-matches-teams-complete-schedule-for-day-1-on-friday/
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Pairings out for the Morning Foursomes
Looks like the US will get out to a 4-0 lead.
https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/2021-ryder-cup-pairings-foursomes-matches-teams-complete-schedule-for-day-1-on-friday/
Interesting....I don't see why we wouldn't get off to a good start. The first match will be fun.
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Looks like the US will get out to a 4-0 lead.
Said every fan of the U.S. golf team before every Ryder Cup in modern history.
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Pairings out for the Morning Foursomes
Looks like the US will get out to a 4-0 lead.
https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/2021-ryder-cup-pairings-foursomes-matches-teams-complete-schedule-for-day-1-on-friday/
We got Morikawa in all 4?
For those that have gone, how was it? I’m having a little bit of FOMO based on deciding not to go.
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Said every fan of the U.S. golf team before every Ryder Cup in modern history.
The pairings used by Stricker are similar to what the European captains have been doing for years in using the basic golf analytics. If the US can’t come out of the morning with at least 2 points, that would be disappointing.
I’ll be pulling for Team Europe because the American team is full of entitled country club boys who wouldn’t give you the time of day if you asked. That said, the course and lack of European fans are a huge advantage for the US team. They should win comfortably. If they can’t win this one, well, it’s an indictment of the American professional golfer
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Sweet Jesus. JT misses an easy birdie on 1. Can't happen.
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Sweet Jesus. JT misses an easy birdie on 1. Can't happen.
He’s been an atrocious putter as of late
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He’s been an atrocious putter as of late
That was a simple putt. Total lack of focus.
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Good start for CM.
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That was a simple putt. Total lack of focus.
It happens and it’ll happen again. And he’ll probably make some bombs you don’t expect. That’s golf
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It happens and it’ll happen again. And he’ll probably make some bombs you don’t expect. That’s golf
Fair enough. What do you expect from Berger?
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Fair enough. What do you expect from Berger?
I think he’ll be pretty good. He’s a red ass. Think he’s good in these kind of event
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I think he’ll be pretty good. He’s a red ass. Think he’s good in these kind of event
JT and Speith need to find their game. Down 1 and Rahm is spraying the ball all over the place.
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I watched a little bit of the Ryder Cup Opening Ceremonies last night when the captains introduced the teams. When Stricker commented on how good sports fans in Wisconsin are, he started with something along the lines of, "Whether it's 'We Are! Marquette!'" and then moved on to mentions of Wisconsin (I think he mentioned Camp Randall) and the Lambeau Leap.
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I watched a little bit of the Ryder Cup Opening Ceremonies last night when the captains introduced the teams. When Stricker commented on how good sports fans in Wisconsin are, he started with something along the lines of, "Whether it's 'We Are! Marquette!'" and then moved on to mentions of Wisconsin (I think he mentioned Camp Randall) and the Lambeau Leap.
Nice!
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If Rory is this bad with his wedges all weekend, Europe has no chance
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If Rory is this bad with his wedges all weekend, Europe has no chance
Jt ahd Jordan are not playing a goodatch at all. Need to get it together
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DJ and Koepka make putts at the same time to shift things for US
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Jt ahd Jordan are not playing a goodatch at all. Need to get it together
They haven’t been playing well at all, so….
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Fair enough. What do you expect from Berger?
Berger is a stud. Koepka lost the one hole with terrible shot, but has made two great birdie putts.
But seriously, how can anyone tell when the Golf Channel shows four shots, then goes to four minutes of commercials. It is really deplorable.
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Luckily for Europe a loss is a loss because Rory and Poulter are getting clubbed
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Berger is a stud. Koepka lost the one hole with terrible shot, but has made two great birdie putts.
But seriously, how can anyone tell when the Golf Channel shows four shots, then goes to four minutes of commercials. It is really deplorable.
How do you expect them to keep up with 4 whole matches happening at once 😂
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They haven’t been playing well at all, so….
So...what would say to them if you were Strick? These guys have been abysmal on the Front 9. Maybe that shot by Speith will change things?
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So...what would say to them if you were Strick? These guys have been abysmal on the Front 9. Maybe that shot by Speith will change things?
He’ll play them this afternoon I think and re-evaluate. Only down 2 and 9 holes left. Don’t panic and stick to the plan.
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Wow PC and XC:
Bam
Bam
Bam
Bam
Bam
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He’ll play them this afternoon I think and re-evaluate. Only down 2 and 9 holes left. Don’t panic and stick to the plan.
Very disappointing performance thus far. I haven't seen many good shots or putts from them. It's not like Rahm/Garcia have been lights out.
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Very disappointing performance thus far. I haven't seen many good shots or putts from them. It's not like Rahm/Garcia have been lights out.
That’s the problem committing to a twosome instead of having an idea to change it up if necessary. I think Stricker will make changes if necessary
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Poulter just missed a gimme to finally win a hole.
Him and Rory should just call it a day and regroup for the weekend
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Poulter just missed a gimme to finally win a hole.
Him and Rory should just call it a day and regroup for the weekend
Would sit both this afternoon. Then again, they’ll be fresh 😬
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Great shot from DJ on 11. Maybe Speith can find his game after that wedge on 13. Let's go now.
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Wisconsin looks great on TV. Hopefully the internet isn't fked up on my flight.
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Big swing to putt USA in control
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Rahm kicked it up a notch after the first four holes.
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Rahm and Sergio making putts
J and J are not
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Rahm and Sergio making putts
J and J are not
True dat. A number of missed opportunities to keep it close for J and J.
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wow! garcia just hosel'd a 3 or 5 wood to make a mere mortal blush a lotta work for j & J to forge a tie yet down 2 with 2 to go
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Omg what a shot by Speith!!
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JT stinks
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Too little too late but that was incredible.
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jordan with the shot of the century almost fell into lake michigan #17. no quit in golf
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DJ and Morikawa about to wrap there match up, up
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Time to slam the door on the morning session and get to 3-1.
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Pairings out for the Morning Foursomes
Looks like the US will get out to a 4-0 lead.
https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/2021-ryder-cup-pairings-foursomes-matches-teams-complete-schedule-for-day-1-on-friday/
Was off by one, US 3-1 in the morning.
US Pairings look strong for the afternoon . Little bit harder to dominate in the four balls , but I think US should come out on top.
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Was off by one, US 3-1 in the morning.
US Pairings look strong for the afternoon . Little bit harder to dominate in the four balls , but I think US should come out on top.
No Morikawa in the afternoon
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No Morikawa in the afternoon
I was surprised by this. why breakup the Morikowa DJ juggernaut?
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I was surprised by this. why breakup the Morikowa DJ juggernaut?
Assuming Morikawa isn’t 100% still
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looking like the dj/x man matchup is the one
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Starting to hear the overserved.
Telling myself they must be badger fans
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JT needs to ride some pine
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Very surprised Morikawa didn't play this afternoon and JT didn't sit.
I see the scores but how are we looking in general? Who's stepping up this session? Ty.
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Very surprised Morikawa didn't play this afternoon and JT didn't sit.
I see the scores but how are we looking in general? Who's stepping up this session? Ty.
Finau is throwing darts and DJ playing great too
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Finau is throwing darts and DJ playing great too
Awesome! DJ playing well is huge and Finau is such a likable dude. Happy for him.
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Awesome! DJ playing well is huge and Finau is such a likable dude. Happy for him.
It’s over
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Anyone want to go back and mea culpa for their Harris English takes?
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What a clutch putt from Rahm. Wow
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Anyone want to go back and mea culpa for their Harris English takes?
Only people that doubted on Harris English haven’t been paying attention to the last year
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Only people that doubted on Harris English haven’t been paying attention to the last year
Only people that doubted Harris English are looking for Rickie Fowler on the roster.
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Only people that doubted Harris English are looking for Rickie Fowler on the roster.
Or Kuchar
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Rory says they can come back from down 6-2 which is delusional. For Europe to win, they needed at least 3 points from Rory. Watching him play versus what he used to be is jarring
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JT needs to ride some pine
After that 3 wood from 280? Sheesh
*and the eagle
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Damn. We let Rahm/Hatton off the hook.
I missed the Eagle but a big time shot on 17 from JT.
This is a long way from being over. Very important for JT/Cantlay to get 1 or 1/2 pt.
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Dammit.
letting Rahm get away with a tie at the end hurts
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Dammit.
letting Rahm get away with a tie at the end hurts
It’s a 1/2 point to the best golfer in world, bummer, but your boy JT is gonna pick up the slack
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It’s a 1/2 point to the best golfer in world, bummer, but your boy JT is gonna pick up the slack
I’m aware hes #1 in the world, hence why I said damn letting him get a push on the last hole.
He’s basically the only pulse Europe has
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Shocked JT left that short? We had a real shot at 7-1 but 6-2 will suffice for now. Still a lot of golf to be played.
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US playing exactly like I thought they would play . Too many skilled players for the Euros to overcome.
I expect a little fight from the Euros In the morning and then back to getting their Heinies Whooped in the afternoon tomorrow
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My favorite shot.....that hook into the lake. I woulda done that. About 75 yards closer to the tee.
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Shocked JT left that short? We had a real shot at 7-1 but 6-2 will suffice for now. Still a lot of golf to be played.
All players have been short all day, whether it’s the wind, slower than expected greens, but both sessions it was certainly a theme.
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I know he's persona non grata here, but that Bryson drive on 5 was absolutely unreal. Tiger Woods PGA Tour for XBOX on easy mode kind of stuff. He played well today, bummer they couldn't steal a point.
You can't send JT out there tomorrow morning, right?
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DJ's performance has been the difference for the US
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Europe is sitting Rory tomorrow morning.
It sounds like Finau played lights out today but Strick is sitting him in Foursomes.
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It sounds likes some of the fans had a bloody or two before hitting Whistling Straits? This could be interesting by day's end. In all seriousness I would think someone could get hurt rolling down the hills or in the stands.
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DJ really playing well early. 3 tremendous shots to get them to 3up through 3.
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It sounds likes some of the fans had a bloody or two before hitting Whistling Straits? This could be interesting by day's end. In all seriousness I would think someone could get hurt rolling down the hills or in the stands.
I’m wondering if Spieth and JT had a few before the round.
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I’m wondering if Spieth and JT had a few before the round.
They don't look good at all. Maybe that miracle save changes things?
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Good grief. What was that from Berger? We should be 4up instead of 2up in the first two matches. Gotta keep the pedal to the metal.
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No one gonna beat rahm/Garcia.
USA might fall apart if they don't at least split this AM
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No one gonna beat rahm/Garcia.
USA might fall apart if they don't at least split this AM
Huge flip in that match. Berger had about 6 feet to get it to 3 up through 7 and now it's all square through 9.. Sergio stepping up, we need to get it together.
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Bizarre non-concession from Cantlay/Xander. They need to focus on the task at hand and wake up.
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Putt by Brooks was huge
Spieth/Thomas look disjointed.
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The Koepka V Rahm match up should go to the wire
Spieth and JT are just a mess right now. Still have time to get it going but it’s gotta be fast
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Putt by Brooks was huge
Spieth/Thomas look disjointed.
Couldn't agree more. What on God's Earth was that last drive by JT? We at minimum need 2-2 imo.
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Berger is going to have to step up.
In foursome Koepka can’t win this by himself.
Stop blowing putts
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Berger making that putt would have been huge. Damn.
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Spieth and JT starting to feed off the crowd.
Let’s see if that gets them going. Only down 1 now.
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JT being a dick on putts.
Not sure that's the way to get in Sergio's head. Think he feeds on being pissed off
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JT being a dick on putts.
Not sure that's the way to get in Sergio's head. Think he feeds on being pissed off
Huh? He's not playing Sergio.
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Huh? He's not playing Sergio.
Ya. Screwed that up.
I honestly can't believe we sent out Spieth and Thomas again
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Ya. Screwed that up.
I honestly can't believe we sent out Spieth and Thomas again
Related, why tf would you send out a half-assing Brooks against Rahm/Sergio?
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Related, why tf would you send out a half-assing Brooks against Rahm/Sergio?
Uhh Berger is the issue in that pairing
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Spieth getting cooking
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Uhh Berger is the issue in that pairing
In fairness they're getting completely outplayed right now and haven't looked good at all since Berger missed that putt to go 3up on 7. You can't have lapses against Sergio and the #1 player in the world. Hopefully we at least split matches 3 and 4.
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In fairness they're getting completely outplayed right now and haven't looked good at all since Berger missed that putt to go 3up on 7. You can't have lapses against Sergio and the #1 playercin the world. Hopefully we at least split matches 3 and 4.
Yeah. As I say that Brooks biffs a putt.
Bergers god awful play really started the slide tho. But now Koepka not doing much to offset.
Rahm is just good
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Related, why tf would you send out a half-assing Brooks against Rahm/Sergio?
I'm a little surprised he went out first today I must admit.
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Ughh. We just have no idea what we're gonna see from hole to hole from JT and Speith. Wild inconsistency in a match they should win. I'm a little dumbfounded that Finau sat this morning. Didn't he drain 6 birdies yesterday?
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Uhh Berger is the issue in that pairing
I'm not saying Berger is playing well.
But we know Brooks has said he spaces out during most rounds of golf. And that's when he's playing his own ball and hitting every shot. So you choose to play him in alternate shot and against the #1/Sergio?
The only way that makes sense is it Stricker is conceding Euros a point in that match and focusing on winning points elsewhere.
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I'm not saying Berger is playing well.
But we know Brooks has said he spaces out during most rounds of golf. And that's when he's playing his own ball and hitting every shot. So you choose to play him in alternate shot and against the #1/Sergio?
The only way that makes sense is it Stricker is conceding Euros a point in that match and focusing on winning points elsewhere.
That’s probably part of it. The DJ/Morikawa and Xander/Cantlay pairings are so strong so keep them away from Rahm.
And then Brooks having the natural talent gives ya a chance anyways.
Rahm/Garcia just handed the boys a point there
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DJ and Morikawa showing a bit of weakness
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Morikawa has made some putts but hasn't really played near his best. Thomas has played very poorly from what I've seen minus a few highlight holes. But I agree that you keep Cantlay/Xander and DJ/Morikawa together this afternoon.
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Omg Brooks hit the ball.
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They got a great shot to tie this up
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That Casey shot changes that match. Wow.
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Berger is a complete liability
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USA falling apart across the board
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Berger is a complete liability
He played great early before it turned into a s-show. DJ/Morikawa absolutely have to win that match. A loss or a tie could change the entire Ryder Cup.
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Piss poor drive from Kopeka on 16. Can't happen.
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He played great early before it turned into a s-show. DJ/Morikawa absolutely have to win that match. A loss or a tie could change the entire Ryder Cup.
US is still fine.
Spieth and JT got it tied up.
All the US really needs is a push today
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They're doing a terrible time not showing us live shots. Way touch time on the first match.
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Rahm and Garcia are gonna take every point this weekend. USA shouldn't put any talent against them.
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US is still fine.
Spieth and JT got it tied up.
All the US really needs is a push today
We should be okay with a split. I'd feel better if we can get 2.5.
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Must-win holes and you leave shots short? Gross
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DJ and Morikawa can't close it out
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JT just went for the kill
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Big-time shot by JT on 16.
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Spieth. Money.
Those two having fun
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Ughhhh. Had a real chance to slam the door on 17 for JT/Speith. Damn.
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That helped!!! Ty Bernd!!
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Well,
Euros basically took themselves out on both holes
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Well,
Euros basically took themselves out on both holes
Yep. Those were gifts but we'll take it. :)
9-3 is a pretty solid position but let's slam the door this afternoon.
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Yep. Those were gifts but we'll take it. :)
9-3 is a pretty solid position but let's slam the door this afternoon.
9-3 is more than pretty solid haha.
It’s pretty unprecedented I believe
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9-3 is more than pretty solid haha.
It’s pretty unprecedented I believe
It's definitely not bad. I'd like to get to 11.5 at the end of the afternoon session.
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It's definitely not bad. I'd like to get to 11.5 at the end of the afternoon session.
Don’t get me wrong I want the kill to. But you are massively underselling how good 9-3 is.
We need 5.5 more pts to win. Even if we got 0 this afternoon that’s still a good spot ha. There are 12 pts to be had tomorrow.
Our 6-2 lead after Friday was the biggest since 1975. And we proceeded to win 3/4 again. This has been a beatdown.
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Was I the only one secretly hoping for a Brooks/Bryson alternate shot pairing?
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Brooks and Spieth going after Euro juggernaut will be interesting
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9-3 is more than pretty solid haha.
It’s pretty unprecedented I believe
If not for Rahm the score might be 11.5 -.5
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Lowry unloaded on that drive on one.
Maybe he downed a few pints of Guinness in light of the score right now?
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The course and Wisconsin look great on the Telly. They are the stars of the entire event.
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Dumbfounded Cantlay/Xander are sitting. Koepka and Speith will have to elevate their play to have any chance vs Rahm/Garcia.
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Well, Spieth F’d that one up
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You gotta love Lowry. Not a great start for the afternoon session. No mercy and stay focused.
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That Hovland missed putt was huge
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Vintage Spieth
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De Charcuterie a little testy that his par putt wasn't conceded. Interesting but probably an overreaction. Just play and get a point.
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Dumbfounded Cantlay/Xander are sitting. Koepka and Speith will have to elevate their play to have any chance vs Rahm/Garcia.
Maybe plays back to my speculation that Stricker knows Garcia and Rahm are a win no matter who they play against. So Stricker is throwing guys at them that aren't playing very well so not to ruin confidence of other guys who are playing well
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The Koepka/Speith pairing this afternoon is a headscratcher to me. The course is playing crazy tough with the wind but right now our guys really need to get locked in.
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De Charcuterie a little testy that his par putt wasn't conceded. Interesting but probably an overreaction. Just play and get a point.
Smart of his opponents. So easy to get in Bryson's head.
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Rahm has been incredibly impressive.
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Unreal lip-out for Speith at 12 that would have tied that match. Smh. My hope is we find a way to get to 11 before the Singles.
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Europe staying in it with some big putts and Rahm.
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Is it ok for me to hope the Euros win 3 this afternoon so tomorrow is actually worth watching, or does wanting a little drama tomorrow mean I hate America?
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Is it ok for me to hope the Euros win 3 this afternoon so tomorrow is actually worth watching, or does wanting a little drama tomorrow mean I hate America?
There’s enough drama in our lives. Let’s put this out of reach. :P
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Is it ok for me to hope the Euros win 3 this afternoon so tomorrow is actually worth watching, or does wanting a little drama tomorrow mean I hate America?
I disapprove but we live a free country. You wouldn't want there to be any drama in the last 5 mins of the game if MU was up 20 at he half would you? Why root for drama when your team is winning?
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I disapprove but we live a free country. You wouldn't want there to be any drama in the last 5 mins of the game if MU was up 20 at he half would you? Why root for drama when your team is winning?
You’re funny.
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Speith has really struggled today. Can't make a putt and has been way off for long stretches. They should honestly be 2/3 up in this match.
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Absolutely brutal. Speith has missed at least 4 putts within 9 feet.
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Good decision by Lowry on 17. He probably would have rolled off the cliff.
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Absolutely brutal. Speith has missed at least 4 putts within 9 feet.
Bump
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He was talking about Rahm. Although Spieth is certainly helped by not making a single putt.
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Bump
Just a killer. Give Rahm a ton of credit but this is absolutely a match Koepka/Speith should have won. Hopefully we still find a way to get to 11 or 11.5.
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Lowry was brilliant. Thankfully, Padraig sat him in the morning. Hopefully we pick up another full point to close the day. Two clutch holes for Sheffler.
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Whoa!! What a shot by Bryson!
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That was a good close. Could have been 12-4 but give Lowry credit. Obviously we're in excellent position to drop a massive hammer tomorrow.
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Pretty Much on track for where I thought the US would be. Before the event I was thinking US something like 18.5 to 9.5. I think that may have been too generous to Europe.
Europe should go back to having more Captains pics. They don't have enough talent to be leaving guys like Justin Rose off the team.
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Pretty Much on track for where I thought the US would be. Before the event I was thinking US something like 18.5 to 9.5. I think that may have been too generous to Europe.
Europe should go back to having more Captains pics. They don't have enough talent to be leaving guys like Justin Rose off the team.
I’ll give you credit. Morikawa has been very good.
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DJ has been a revelation
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normally i'd say the first match rory vs xander would be a tough one, edge the irish lad, but he is really got the golf yips and xander is going to tear him up.
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DJ has been a revelation
We have several members of the Ryder cup teams that live down here. We used to see DJ out all the time. Not so much in the last few years.
There was a restaurant that all the golfers used to hang out at that closed. We joked it was because they went broke when DJ stopped going.
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What's your overall take on fan behavior at the RC? I have my opinions but I'm curious what everyone else here thinks on the subject?
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Brutal start for Xander. Sheesh.
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Bryson drives it middle of the green on 1 against Sergio. 340+ carry
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Bryson drives it middle of the green on 1 against Sergio. 340+ carry
Just a simple Par 3. Wow.
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Great start for Sheffler.
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Wow. Shocked Sheffler hit that shot 4 up through 4? Bizarre.. Tactical error for no reason.
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Bryson drives it middle of the green on 1 against Sergio. 340+ carry
For all the drama around him, he's been very good all weekend. His driving in particular has been unreal. Would love to see him close out Sergio early, 5&4 or the like
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For all the drama around him, he's been very good all weekend. His driving in particular has been unreal. Would love to see him close out Sergio early, 5&4 or the like
I consider Sergio the ND of the Ryder cup.
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Two tactical errors have cost us losing two holes. Hopefully it won't bite us in the ass. Let's go now.
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For all the drama around him, he's been very good all weekend. His driving in particular has been unreal. Would love to see him close out Sergio early, 5&4 or the like
He's been really good for the event. It's always fun to watch a guy hit 9-iron on a 217 yrd par 3. Video game stuff.
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Keep it up Sheff. Let's go now.
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What's your overall take on fan behavior at the RC? I have my opinions but I'm curious what everyone else here thinks on the subject?
I have said in the past that I think that alcohol should not be served at athletic events. I recognize this an unpopular opinion.
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Cantlay is money. Too bad Sheffler missed that putt on 15. Just needs to forget about it.
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I have said in the past that I think that alcohol should not be served at athletic events. I recognize this an unpopular opinion.
I don't disagree but we all know that's never going to happen. Too much coin at stake.
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Sheffler: Bam
Cantlay: Bam
Let's go now. Keep it up.
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The door will be slammed soon.
Do not step off the gas. 20 is the goal and reachable. No mercy boys.
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Emphatic hammer drop by Morikawa on 17! What a shot!
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Brooks almost dunking it on 17 to win it, wild
Provided he keeps playing well, Scottie Shef gotta be an auto add. Dude was great with Bryson and just seems to have great energy. First to congratulate everyone on 18 and just gassing everyone up
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Brooks with eye opening comments after his match finished
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DJ was absolutely phenomenal. 8 birdies today. Still a shot a 20 but I'll take 19.5/19.
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Brooks with eye opening comments after his match finished
I missed it. Details? Ty.
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US wins this Ryder Cup 18-9
Morikowa going 5-0
Great job Herman! Excellent predictions and analysis this whole thread.
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I missed it. Details? Ty.
He said something about this being a group of guys that like to have fun.
I took it to mean prior teams appeared to take this too seriously or were too old/traditional.
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We stepped of the gas a bit. Close the show with the record number of points. Period.
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Someone keep an eye on DJ tonight...don't want him slipping down any stairs
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Great job Herman! Excellent predictions and analysis this whole thread.
Looking forward to seeing how both teams are configured in 2023.
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Looking forward to seeing how both teams are configured in 2023.
Herman the Scoopers doubted you, and I to a lesser degree. Our collective thoughts were spot-on regarding this RC. I'm very proud of this team and how they performed, everyone brought it. Hopefully this is just the beginning of USA domination in this event.
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Butt kicking. Kudos.
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He said something about this being a group of guys that like to have fun.
I took it to mean prior teams appeared to take this too seriously or were too old/traditional.
Interesting. My guess is he was trying to backtrack from his silly comments before the event. But there is a different new gen vibe to this team. Maybe he finally gets it, who knows? He did for the most part play well during the past three days.
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He felt his comments were mis-interpreted. It fueled his fire.
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Imagine how many points they would have scored had Stricker not played in South Dakota last weekend.
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I think De Charcuterie should be given his due. Full disclosure, I wasn't much of a fan but I did have a feeling he would step-up big-time and the fans would embrace him. His game and personality is perfect for the Ryder Cup. The Euros knew this was officially over when Bryson launched a 340 yrd bomb and then eagled the 1st. He's also far more than a bomber, he can play.
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The talent and depth in the game of golf right now is far better than during the Tiger era. Granted, none of these guys are as good as Woods, but I think the era may be more exciting?
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Herman the Scoopers doubted you, and I to a lesser degree. Our collective thoughts were spot-on regarding this RC. I'm very proud of this team and how they performed, everyone brought it. Hopefully this is just the beginning of USA domination in this event.
Yep, Herman (and to a lesser extent you) nailed it. Most of the Scoop was very, very wrong.
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The talent and depth in the game of golf right now is far better than during the Tiger era. Granted, none of these guys are as good as Woods, but I think the era may be more exciting?
US had 7(?) of the top 10 in the world rankings. All 12 of the US also made it to the final playoff tournament. Both far more than the Euros.
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That was a destruction. I felt the US should win and win comfortably but there were a lot of other Cups where that was the case. Rory being a no-show Friday and Saturday eliminated any doubt. Harrington had no answer when it came to pairings not that I’m sure it would have mattered.
Two years is a long time from now and a lot can change but it feels like an American run awaits. The Euros will probably have to tweak their qualifying procedure to account for guys playing more in American the Euro Tour.
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The average age of this team.
Reed is still out there lurking.
Available players like Homa, Kisner, Zalatoris.
Poulter and Westwood are done. Sergio?
Euros need some of their young guys to develop in a hurry.
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The average age of this team.
Reed is still out there lurking.
Available players like Homa, Kisner, Zalatoris.
Poulter and Westwood are done. Sergio?
Euros need some of their young guys to develop in a hurry.
I doubt Kisner ever makes a team. Homa and Zalatoris may never make a team either. America has a lot of young guys behind those coming through.
On the Euro side, they do have a lot of top amateurs in the world right now but lack depth.
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The average age of this team.
Reed is still out there lurking.
Available players like Homa, Kisner, Zalatoris.
Poulter and Westwood are done. Sergio?
Euros need some of their young guys to develop in a hurry.
On the broadcast, they talked about how old the Euro team was and that it was the end of the line for many, without a lot of depth behind them.
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Molinari. Donaldson. Rose. The Danish twins. Meh.
The International team is better than the Euros right now and that is unusual.
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That was a destruction. I felt the US should win and win comfortably but there were a lot of other Cups where that was the case. Rory being a no-show Friday and Saturday eliminated any doubt. Harrington had no answer when it came to pairings not that I’m sure it would have mattered.
Two years is a long time from now and a lot can change but it feels like an American run awaits. The Euros will probably have to tweak their qualifying procedure to account for guys playing more in American the Euro Tour.
There was nothing Harrington could have done. For many years, the Euros rode their experienced guys who had a knack for playing at their very best in these events. I mean, Poulter hasn't seriously contended at a major in a decade-plus and has missed the cut as often as not in recent years, yet he was a RC stud. He's 45 now. He's toast. And the Euros have several like that.
It's hard to imagine the U.S. not dominating for some time now.
I had to umpire until about 4 (ET) yesterday. I got home, turned on the golf, saw where everything stood and said, "I think I'll watch Bucs-Rams." So I hope the Euros can be competitive, or else it won't be a rivalry worth watching.
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Needs to be said, Tiger and Phil were the cause behind the USA slump.
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I doubt Kisner ever makes a team. Homa and Zalatoris may never make a team either. America has a lot of young guys behind those coming through.
On the Euro side, they do have a lot of top amateurs in the world right now but lack depth.
Homa sure, he's already 30 and still waiting for consistency. But Zalatoris is 25 with 3 major top 10s. I think the odds of him making a team are pretty damn high.
Molinari. Donaldson. Rose. The Danish twins. Meh.
The International team is better than the Euros right now and that is unusual.
When your waiting in the wings guys are 38, 45, and 41 like those 3 I highlighted, you see the issues.
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Homa sure, he's already 30 and still waiting for consistency. But Zalatoris is 25 with 3 major top 10s. I think the odds of him making a team are pretty damn high.
When your waiting in the wings guys are 38, 45, and 41 like those 3 I highlighted, you see the issues.
Burns may be in the mix and possibly Matthew Wolff. Are there any good young Euros?
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Burns may be in the mix and possibly Matthew Wolff. Are there any good young Euros?
4 of the top 10 WAGRs are Euros. 4 are American though.
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Needs to be said, Tiger and Phil were the cause behind the USA slump.
Amplifying your point, Stricker made really good choices. I wasn't so sure, and it's not neccessarily their results, but the young contingent had a lot to do with our success. They all have pop, WS is not a "links course". It has to be played from the air and on a number of holes we had a huge advantage. But as you intimated, off the course, this team appeared more unified and focused.
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Molinari. Donaldson. Rose. The Danish twins. Meh.
The International team is better than the Euros right now and that is unusual.
Robert McIntrye is a very strong young player . Finished 8th in the Open and 12th in The Masters this year as well as 9th in the Match Play. He is only 25. He should have been on this Euro team, if for no other reason , experience.
The Danish Twins are only 20 years old and have won 4 European tournaments between the two of them . Including winning one at the course where the next Ryder Cup will be held.
I don’t know what other good young players are over there. Let’s wait and see how things play out in two years .
For now , I agree the Euros are at a historical low point. It may take several cycles for them to rebuild their squad
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That was a destruction. I felt the US should win and win comfortably but there were a lot of other Cups where that was the case.
Hmmm…you felt the US should win comfortably but predicted that they would be “destroyed” and lose “by twelve”.
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Hmmm…you felt the US should win comfortably but predicted that they would be “destroyed” and lose “by twelve”.
More hoping than anything
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That was a destruction. I felt the US should win and win comfortably
Rico, hate to call you out, but there are multiple posts from you saying the US would lose easily.
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Rico, hate to call you out, but there are multiple posts from you saying the US would lose easily.
I think he said Euro 26 and USA 2 in jest, but okay.
Rico also nailed Strick's strategy of going younger, which was absolutely the key when the majority here were pulling for Phil, Reed and Kuchar (wtf?).
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I think he said Euro 26 and USA 2 in jest, but okay.
Rico also nailed Strick's strategy of going younger, which was absolutely the key when the majority here were pulling for Phil, Reed and Kuchar (wtf?).
It’s going to be very interesting to see the impact on team chemistry if Reed qualified for 2023. Not sure how you could make him a captain’s pick based on all the comments about how much fun the guys had together.
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It’s going to be very interesting to see the impact on team chemistry if Reed qualified for 2023. Not sure how you could make him a captain’s pick based on all the comments about how much fun the guys had together.
He’ll never be a captain's pick as long as JT, Cantlay, Xander, Brooks and Spieth are the core of the team
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It is interesting that it sounds like this was the last big event that’ll be played at Whistling Straits for the foreseeable future. The PGA is out after this event as they can’t host a PGA in May there and most Ryder Cup dates are booked out.
Geoff Shackleford notes in his Ryder Cup review (https://www.geoffshackelford.com/homepage/2021/9/27/quadrilateral-champions-cutmakers-and-point-missers-from-the-43rd-ryder-cup) that the USGA is in no hurry to return as well.
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It is interesting that it sounds like this was the last big event that’ll be played at Whistling Straits for the foreseeable future. The PGA is out after this event as they can’t host a PGA in May there and most Ryder Cup dates are booked out.
Geoff Shackleford notes in his Ryder Cup review (https://www.geoffshackelford.com/homepage/2021/9/27/quadrilateral-champions-cutmakers-and-point-missers-from-the-43rd-ryder-cup) that the USGA is in no hurry to return as well.
I was trying to think of an event they could host in the future. Maybe a BMW Championship in the future?
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I was trying to think of an event they could host in the future. Maybe a BMW Championship in the future?
That has crossed my mind.
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I haven't played Sand Valley. Is it potentially a PGA tournament course?
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I haven't played Sand Valley. Is it potentially a PGA tournament course?
No
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I haven't played Sand Valley. Is it potentially a PGA tournament course?
I agree...no. There's just not enough lodging within 100 miles to support the crowds. The course might be good enough, but the infrastructure prevents it.
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I agree...no. There's just not enough lodging within 100 miles to support the crowds. The course might be good enough, but the infrastructure prevents it.
The ownership group isn’t interested in bringing events like that to its properties. They had the Amateur at Bandon in 2020 and that’s about as far as I think they’re willing to go
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I agree...no. There's just not enough lodging within 100 miles to support the crowds. The course might be good enough, but the infrastructure prevents it.
“Good enough” the courses are significantly better golf courses than most tour stops.
Having the required length would be more of an issue than “good enough”.
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Who wants to join me for Bethpage in 2025?
That place is gonna be a madhouse
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“Good enough” the courses are significantly better golf courses than most tour stops.
Having the required length would be more of an issue than “good enough”.
Lacks infrastructure, too. Owners simply aren’t going to want grandstands and merch tents all over their property. There is a limited amount of venues that want major events. Oakland Hills membership has been very lukewarm about overtures from the USGA and PGA. I’ve heard the same about Medinah as well, though, I don’t think the courses there can challenge the pro game anymore
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Lacks infrastructure, too. Owners simply aren’t going to want grandstands and merch tents all over their property. There is a limited amount of venues that want major events. Oakland Hills membership has been very lukewarm about overtures from the USGA and PGA. I’ve heard the same about Medinah as well, though, I don’t think the courses there can challenge the pro game anymore
Yep, I was just taking offense to the courses being good enough.
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Yep, I was just taking offense to the courses being good enough.
Sand Valley would challenge them enough. Not sure about Mammoth. That doesn’t detract from the wonder that is Mammoth, however. It’s an amazing 18 holes
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Lacks infrastructure, too. Owners simply aren’t going to want grandstands and merch tents all over their property. There is a limited amount of venues that want major events. Oakland Hills membership has been very lukewarm about overtures from the USGA and PGA. I’ve heard the same about Medinah as well, though, I don’t think the courses there can challenge the pro game anymore
How long are courses closed to membership prior to a major championship?
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How long are courses closed to membership prior to a major championship?
3-4 weeks, generally. Straits was open until Labor Day, but the Ryder Cup doesn't destroy the course.
Olympic Club was 5 or 6 weeks, but it's a high-round muni course.
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Sand Valley would challenge them enough. Not sure about Mammoth. That doesn’t detract from the wonder that is Mammoth, however. It’s an amazing 18 holes
Interesting. I always heard Mammoth Dunes was the tougher one. Maybe just the more fun one.
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How long are courses closed to membership prior to a major championship?
Erin Hills was closed for a year but that’s a public course. Pebble was open two weeks before in 2019. Some private clubs relish putting their club on display (Oakmont) while others are just happy being a bit of a mystery
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Interesting. I always heard Mammoth Dunes was the tougher one. Maybe just the more fun one.
I thought Mammoth was much easier but everyone probably differs in opinion.