Shaka Smart, Relationships and Trouble in Madison

[Pakuni]

As of several years ago, I believe that Virginia was the only state that allowed a conversation to be legally recorded without the knowledge of one party. Way back in the Clinton era, that's why Linda Tripp invited Monica Lewinsky to join her in Virginia rather than Maryland or DC to meet up so she could legally record what Monica said. As you have said, it's illegal in many (maybe 49) states and you can be charged with a crime and probably sued.

Here's a list of one-party vs two-party consent states.

https://www.justia.com/50-state-surveys/recording-phone-calls-and-conversations/

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This is potentially bad advice.
Best to check the laws in your state first. Several states  - California, Illinois, Florida and Pennsylvania among them - require "two-party" consent to record a conversation, i.e. everyone involved has to know they're being recorded.
Had this occurred in Michigan instead of Wisconsin, the person who recorded the meeting would have been guilty of a crime (presuming here, as seems to be the case, that Gard was unaware he was being recorded).

Yes, I should have added that you should know the laws in your state before doing that.

As of several years ago, I believe that Virginia was the only state that allowed a conversation to be legally recorded without the knowledge of one party. Way back in the Clinton era, that's why Linda Tripp invited Monica Lewinsky to join her in Virginia rather than Maryland or DC to meet up so she could legally record what Monica said. As you have said, it's illegal in many (maybe 49) states and you can be charged with a crime and probably sued.

I think you have some facts twisted. Some states require "two-party consent" meaning all parties in the conversation must be aware that they are being recorded.

Most states are "one-party consent" states, meaning only one person in the conversation needs to be aware of the recording. This prevents an unknown third party from recording a private conversation but allows for members of that conversation to record it even if the others in the conversation are not aware of the recording.

[Uncle Rico]

Greg Gard is a fraud

[Dawson Rental]

More people should record meetings. It's the best way to protect yourself.

It wouldn't have done a thing to save Joey when Brad Davison came running by.

[MUDPT]

In what context?

Anderson talking about how good their relationship and his was with his dad compared to Gard.

Two different people mentioned the Marquette loss, which is hilarious cause their fans think MU is a mid major/ nobody. (Rent free now, I guess).

More importantly, it shows how much some people were going through mental health wise during the pandemic. To me anyway, it's hard to listen to Reuvers especially, all of the stuff that was going on. I really feel for them.

[Scoop Snoop]

Thanks for the clarification TAMU.

Anyway, the point is check out the state laws before recording a conversation. I think that "ignorance of the law is no excuse" applies everywhere. 

[Dawson Rental]

Dekkar's right.

Those players have all the toughness of 5th grade girls.  Probably less.

So is Drakkar, but more pleasant smelling

Did you just admit that you know what fifth grade girls smell like?

[Dickthedribbler]

This is such a delicious story on so many levels, I hardly know where to start. But I do know one thing. This is not your garden variety "coach may have a mutiny on his hands story". This is going to linger and fester and I think eventually cost Gard his job. May take a year or two.

I'm 67 and pretty much only ask for about 5 more things to check off the list:

1. Get to Heaven.

2. Maintain reasonable health in remaining years.

3. Hold the dice for 1 hour straight on a $25 craps table.

4. Watch Marquette win National Championship--again.

5. Watch UW basketball program implode.

[lawdog77]

Yes, I should have added that you should know the laws in your state before doing that.

I think you have some facts twisted. Some states require "two-party consent" meaning all parties in the conversation must be aware that they are being recorded.

Most states are "one-party consent" states, meaning only one person in the conversation needs to be aware of the recording. This prevents an unknown third party from recording a private conversation but allows for members of that conversation to record it even if the others in the conversation are not aware of the recording.

Not my area of law. But say Alando Tucker did record this, and did not speak in the conversation. Is he a part of the conversation, so the "one-party" is covered. Or is akin to sitting at a table in a restaurant, and recording their conversation?

[Dawson Rental]

As of several years ago, I believe that Virginia was the only state that allowed a conversation to be legally recorded without the knowledge of one party. Way back in the Clinton era, that's why Linda Tripp invited Monica Lewinsky to join her in Virginia rather than Maryland or DC to meet up so she could legally record what Monica said. As you have said, it's illegal in many (maybe 49) states and you can be charged with a crime and probably sued.

It's only against the law in Illinois when the unknowing party "has a reasonable expectation of privacy".  Illinois politicians know that they need to protect themselves.

[The Sultan]

This is such a delicious story on so many levels, I hardly know where to start. But I do know one thing. This is not your garden variety "coach may have a mutiny on his hands story". This is going to linger and fester and I think eventually cost Gard his job. May take a year or two.

I'm 67 and pretty much only ask for about 5 more things to check off the list:

1. Get to Heaven.

2. Maintain reasonable health in remaining years.

3. Hold the dice for 1 hour straight on a $25 craps table.

4. Watch Marquette win National Championship--again.

5. Watch UW basketball program implode.

I would rather give Gard a lifetime contract than him lose his job.

[Galway Eagle]

Anderson talking about how good their relationship and his was with his dad compared to Gard.

Two different people mentioned the Marquette loss, which is hilarious cause their fans think MU is a mid major/ nobody. (Rent free now, I guess).

More importantly, it shows how much some people were going through mental health wise during the pandemic. To me anyway, it's hard to listen to Reuvers especially, all of the stuff that was going on. I really feel for them.

In what context? Can you point to the time stamps? I just really don't want to listen for 37min

[Warrior Code]

Then Sam Dekker comes off the top rope in support of Gard-O

https://twitter.com/dekker/status/1407360904757456897?s=20

Deleted it

[UWW2MU]

Deleted it

Which, this one? 

[asdfasdf]

A couple things.  Dekker seems to assume that one of the players was the source of the audio which isn't proven and most Badger insiders believe Alando Tucker did this on his way out as an assistant coach.  So to call out the players over something that was supposed to be a private conversation is entirely unfair on Dekker's part IMO.  Additionally, players having grievances with their coach isn't anything new and stuff like this happens all the time. 

But to me what makes this different is it confirms what Greg Gard said about the transfer portal that prompted the reaction from Koby McEwan and others.  If Greg Gard's own players believe he doesn't care about them and he then state's that players shouldn't transfer if they are unhappy because it makes it more difficult for him to coach, perhaps we should connect the dots about what Greg Gard thinks of his players and the college athlete.  Keep in mind his comments regarding the transfer portal would've come after this player meeting.

That's interesting if Alando Tucker released the tape. I was curious why he was let go and replaced without much news about it. Not related, but Howard Moore is no longer on their team page either (he was on the website for the past 1.5 years).

When I saw this story drop, my initial thought was that this paves the way for the new Athletic Director to fire Gard and start fresh with his own guy. Given the way Gard got the job, it wouldn't surprise me if the new AD wanted to move away from the the legacies/politics of Barry Alvarez and Bo Ryan.

[MUfan12]

In what context? Can you point to the time stamps? I just really don't want to listen for 37min

Same.

[Skip Intro]

That's interesting if Alando Tucker released the tape. I was curious why he was let go and replaced without much news about it. Not related, but Howard Moore is no longer on their team page either (he was on the website for the past 1.5 years).

When I saw this story drop, my initial thought was that this paves the way for the new Athletic Director to fire Gard and start fresh with his own guy. Given the way Gard got the job, it wouldn't surprise me if the new AD wanted to move away from the the legacies/politics of Barry Alvarez and Bo Ryan.

And Alando Tucker was sole men's BB representative on the search committee for the new AD... 

[Warrior Code]

Which, this one?

Must have been - link says tweet is unavailable

[The Sultan]

That's interesting if Alando Tucker released the tape. I was curious why he was let go and replaced without much news about it. Not related, but Howard Moore is no longer on their team page either (he was on the website for the past 1.5 years).

When I saw this story drop, my initial thought was that this paves the way for the new Athletic Director to fire Gard and start fresh with his own guy. Given the way Gard got the job, it wouldn't surprise me if the new AD wanted to move away from the the legacies/politics of Barry Alvarez and Bo Ryan.

Knowing the nature of the UW Athletic Department, I don't think they have any desire to replace Greg Gard right now.

[MUDPT]

About MU...

Anderson noting he got sh$t from "frat guys" after the loss.

Someone mentioning that Potter got blamed for not boxing out on the final play. Can't remember what context it was in.

[NolongerWarriors]

Alvarez 100% behind Gard...

https://twitter.com/BadgerMBB/status/1407410666940608518

I might have sided with the players if they had a beef with the way Gard coached and told him so.  But this ridiculous, laughable, touchy/feely "you don't care about me" is just players wanting to be babied and coddled.  It is very indicative of this time, though.

When I played HS sports at Arrowhead, I had a very successful coach who was a total hard ass, but it never would have occurred to me to be worried if he "cared" about me.  The guy did a great job and that was all that mattered.

BTW, it's not a good look at all to edit out Gard's  comments from the meeting.  We all know that if he had said something that could be used against him, the remarks would have been included.

[Tha Hound]

More people should record meetings. It's the best way to protect yourself.

No offense, but no. Just...no.

[Dawson Rental]

Alvarez 100% behind Gard...

https://twitter.com/BadgerMBB/status/1407410666940608518

I might have sided with the players if they had a beef with the way Gard coached and told him so.  But this ridiculous, laughable, touchy/feely "you don't care about me" is just players wanting to be babied and coddled.  It is very indicative of this time, though.

When I played HS sports at Arrowhead, I had a very successful coach who was a total hard ass, but it never would have occurred to me to be worried if he "cared" about me.  The guy did a great job and that was all that mattered.

BTW, it's not a good look at all to edit out Gard's  comments from the meeting.  We all know that if he had said something that could be used against him, the remarks would have been included.

Actually, we don't KNOW.  They may have been edited out because they didn't have Gard's permission to use them.  But I don't KNOW that, I can admit that I'm only speculating.

[The Sultan]

I might have sided with the players if they had a beef with the way Gard coached and told him so.  But this ridiculous, laughable, touchy/feely "you don't care about me" is just players wanting to be babied and coddled.  It is very indicative of this time, though.

Oh here we go.  We are going to make this a global "sign of the times" now.

When I played HS sports at Arrowhead...

[Galway Eagle]

Alvarez 100% behind Gard...

https://twitter.com/BadgerMBB/status/1407410666940608518

I might have sided with the players if they had a beef with the way Gard coached and told him so.  But this ridiculous, laughable, touchy/feely "you don't care about me" is just players wanting to be babied and coddled.  It is very indicative of this time, though.

When I played HS sports at Arrowhead, I had a very successful coach who was a total hard ass, but it never would have occurred to me to be worried if he "cared" about me.  The guy did a great job and that was all that mattered.

BTW, it's not a good look at all to edit out Gard's  comments from the meeting.  We all know that if he had said something that could be used against him, the remarks would have been included.

Yeah because you played high school sports you totally get how tough it was for college athletes in a Covid year and earned the right to call them soft.