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Author Topic: What's the word on Garcia?  (Read 162162 times)

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #400 on: June 24, 2021, 08:59:48 AM »
And I really doubt that some team is going to give him a two-way contract at this point.

It's his life, but returning to college to work in Shaka's system, increasing his strength and quickness on the defensive end, has to look like a decent option at this point right?

I would have to think that staying in the G League, working in an NBA style system, increasing strength and quickness on the defensive end, and not being stymied by practice hours rule prevalent in the NCAA, seems like a decent option too? All while making $35K more?

Point is, there are multiple decent options. I would think that returning for a sophomore season and blowing up, might be a better way to secure a first round contract next year, but what do I know. I can see why a player might choose the alternate route.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #401 on: June 24, 2021, 09:02:25 AM »
What's the deadline for Dawson having to enter the transfer portal again?  Isn't it coming up in the next couple of weeks or am I thinking of something else?

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #402 on: June 24, 2021, 09:02:45 AM »
I would have to think that staying in the G League, working in an NBA style system, increasing strength and quickness on the defensive end, and not being stymied by practice hours rule prevalent in the NCAA, seems like a decent option too? All while making $35K more?

Point is, there are multiple decent options. I would think that returning for a sophomore season and blowing up, might be a better way to secure a first round contract next year, but what do I know. I can see why a player might choose the alternate route.

Nevada used to coach in G league. Could be helpful to operate in his offensive system for a year here.
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #403 on: June 24, 2021, 09:04:25 AM »
What's the deadline for Dawson having to enter the transfer portal again?  Isn't it coming up in the next couple of weeks or am I thinking of something else?

July 7 is the deadline to withdraw from the draft.
I believe the deadline for the transfer portal is July 1.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #404 on: June 24, 2021, 09:20:33 AM »
The thread is about Dawson Garcia and it devolved into another thread about Wojo. It is remarkable how much time is spent discussing any former coach in any given thread, not just Wojo.  It’s weird

If we're gonna talk former coaches, Rico, what about that bonehead who wouldn't put you in the game in the fourth quarter? Would have been state champions.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #405 on: June 24, 2021, 09:27:15 AM »
If we're gonna talk former coaches, Rico, what about that bonehead who wouldn't put you in the game in the fourth quarter? Would have been state champions.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #406 on: June 24, 2021, 09:47:33 AM »
What's the deadline for Dawson having to enter the transfer portal again?  Isn't it coming up in the next couple of weeks or am I thinking of something else?

There is no deadline for entering the transfer portal. The deadline for entering the transfer portal AND being immediately eligible for 21-22 is July 1...though I think you could transfer afterwards and try to get a waiver for immediate eligibility. The deadline to withdraw from the NBA Draft is July 7.

So if July 1 comes and goes with no news, it effectively means Dawson is down to going pro or coming back to MU (I really don't see him sitting out and I'm not sure he has a case for a waiver). If July 7 comes and goes with no news, he gowne.

Personally, haven't felt confident about Garcia in awhile.
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #407 on: June 24, 2021, 10:09:54 AM »
I would have to think that staying in the G League, working in an NBA style system, increasing strength and quickness on the defensive end, and not being stymied by practice hours rule prevalent in the NCAA, seems like a decent option too? All while making $35K more?

Point is, there are multiple decent options. I would think that returning for a sophomore season and blowing up, might be a better way to secure a first round contract next year, but what do I know. I can see why a player might choose the alternate route.

$35k is more than zero, but I would imagine his expenses would rise. I don’t think the GLeague team pays for as much as college does.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #408 on: June 24, 2021, 10:37:22 AM »
Maybe it all depends on the feedback he got, bit I'm starting to think he gowne. Radio silence after not getting the invite makes me feel that way.
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #409 on: June 24, 2021, 10:40:39 AM »
Everyone keeps mentioning the $35K. Average cost at MU after discounts and such are $44,500. The athletes receive many more benefits from nutrition, to tutoring, to physical conditioning and counselling. For 99% of athletes staying in any school is a non-brainer looking at things from a life long perspective. Hopefully Garcia makes the right choice and receives the support of us all.

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« Reply #410 on: June 24, 2021, 10:51:50 AM »
Everyone keeps mentioning the $35K. Average cost at MU after discounts and such are $44,500. The athletes receive many more benefits from nutrition, to tutoring, to physical conditioning and counselling. For 99% of athletes staying in any school is a non-brainer looking at things from a life long perspective. Hopefully Garcia makes the right choice and receives the support of us all.

Yes, MU tuition is $44K...but if you don't value a college education it might as well be $0. If you offer me $35K cash or $44.5K worth of paperclips...I'm going to take the cash.

This doesn't mention the reality that playing in the g-league means more time to work on his game than college offers and in Garcia's eyes, may be a better path to an NBA contract than college is...so it may be a better financial decision in the long run.

Hopefully Garcia makes the right choice for him. If that ends up being playing for MU, great.
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #411 on: June 24, 2021, 11:05:41 AM »
I would have to think that staying in the G League, working in an NBA style system, increasing strength and quickness on the defensive end, and not being stymied by practice hours rule prevalent in the NCAA, seems like a decent option too? All while making $35K more?

Point is, there are multiple decent options. I would think that returning for a sophomore season and blowing up, might be a better way to secure a first round contract next year, but what do I know. I can see why a player might choose the alternate route.
This is overhyped. Student athletes are allowed 20 hours a week Countable Athletically Related Activities. Every student athlete is free to work out on their own after that with no coaches present. That includes weight training etc. Each athlete has a specially tailored  "voluntary" work out program.

I remember reading about the daily life of a G league player. There's not much more than 20 hours of practice in a week, and even less than that when they have many games in a week. The G league ignite for example, were  M-f 8:30-2  which included Covid testing, lunch, weight lifting, drills, and scrimmage. They were free the rest of the day and night.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #412 on: June 24, 2021, 11:16:52 AM »
Yes, MU tuition is $44K...but if you don't value a college education it might as well be $0. If you offer me $35K cash or $44.5K worth of paperclips...I'm going to take the cash.

This doesn't mention the reality that playing in the g-league means more time to work on his game than college offers and in Garcia's eyes, may be a better path to an NBA contract than college is...so it may be a better financial decision in the long run.

Hopefully Garcia makes the right choice for him. If that ends up being playing for MU, great.
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #413 on: June 24, 2021, 11:17:02 AM »
But in the G league you have a regular audience of NBA-oriented coaches and NBA scouts, and are playing exclusively with NBA-hopefuls. I want Garcia to come back but getting more educated about the G league, it doesn't sound like a bad option at all.

If Garcia goes to the G league, does he get tied up by a team for 2 yrs, so he can't enter the draft? Or would he be draft-eligible after a year?


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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #414 on: June 24, 2021, 11:27:23 AM »
But in the G league you have a regular audience of NBA-oriented coaches and NBA scouts, and are playing exclusively with NBA-hopefuls. I want Garcia to come back but getting more educated about the G league, it doesn't sound like a bad option at all.

If Garcia goes to the G league, does he get tied up by a team for 2 yrs, so he can't enter the draft? Or would he be draft-eligible after a year?
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #415 on: June 24, 2021, 11:35:32 AM »
https://gleague.nba.com/how-rosters-are-built/

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The article even mentions "Mr. Mad Ant" Ron Howard.  There's a blast from the past.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #416 on: June 24, 2021, 11:46:32 AM »
https://gleague.nba.com/how-rosters-are-built/

Many types on the G league roster

Thanks for the link. That answers one of my questions about whether or not players can withdraw from the draft, play in the G League, and then enter the draft in a future year.

Since the answer is yes, they can, I wonder if we'll see more players withdraw from the draft but instead  of returning to college, they join the G League for a year or two before declaring for the draft.

Might be an option for a player like Dawson Garcia.

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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #417 on: June 24, 2021, 11:55:14 AM »
Very few athletes come for the scholarships. That's why when they graduate it goes out on press releases.

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« Reply #418 on: June 24, 2021, 11:57:03 AM »
Thanks for the link. That answers one of my questions about whether or not players can withdraw from the draft, play in the G League, and then enter the draft in a future year.

Since the answer is yes, they can, I wonder if we'll see more players withdraw from the draft but instead  of returning to college, they join the G League for a year or two before declaring for the draft.

Might be an option for a player like Dawson Garcia.

It could be, but wouldn't that eliminate the possibility of the primary reason players go to the G League, i.e. an NBA call up?
It seems the one saving grace of the G League vs earning more in Europe is that it's a more immediate path to an NBA roster. If you take that out of the equation, what's the upside of making $35K while playing in Fort Wayne, Indiana versus $100K in Australia or Greece?

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« Reply #419 on: June 24, 2021, 11:59:29 AM »
It could be, but wouldn't that eliminate the possibility of the primary reason players go to the G League, i.e. an NBA call up?
It seems the one saving grace of the G League vs earning more in Europe is that it's a more immediate path to an NBA roster. If you take that out of the equation, what's the upside of making $35K while playing in Fort Wayne, Indiana versus $100K in Australia or Greece?
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #420 on: June 24, 2021, 12:01:33 PM »
$35k is more than zero, but I would imagine his expenses would rise. I don’t think the GLeague team pays for as much as college does.

Dawson would likely be the highest paid player on Marquette in NIL rights. Guessing he'd have fewer expenses & more incoming revenue if he stayed.
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #421 on: June 24, 2021, 12:03:02 PM »
It could be, but wouldn't that eliminate the possibility of the primary reason players go to the G League, i.e. an NBA call up?
It seems the one saving grace of the G League vs earning more in Europe is that it's a more immediate path to an NBA roster. If you take that out of the equation, what's the upside of making $35K while playing in Fort Wayne, Indiana versus $100K in Australia or Greece?


Yeah I don't see much reason to withdraw from the draft but then turn professional anyway.  As you said, it keeps you out of the NBA.  And your best chance at that point is to be a free agent and determine your best landing spot if there are multiple suitors.
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« Reply #422 on: June 24, 2021, 01:15:42 PM »

Yeah I don't see much reason to withdraw from the draft but then turn professional anyway.  As you said, it keeps you out of the NBA.  And your best chance at that point is to be a free agent and determine your best landing spot if there are multiple suitors.

It would come down to NBA feedback and a player betting on themselves.  If they think one more year of development could be enough to become a first round pick, it might be a worthwhile alternative to college.

Maybe you're right and no one ever takes that path, but it's at least an option.


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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #423 on: June 24, 2021, 01:17:07 PM »
A couple days ago there was a MJS article on Carton and Garcia. Didn't see it posted here but if anyone wanted information of some kind I bet it's in there
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Re: What's the word on Garcia?
« Reply #424 on: June 24, 2021, 02:03:56 PM »
Didn't want to start a new thread just for this, but Tennessee freshman Keon Johnson recorded a max vertical jump of 48 inches Wednesday to break the NBA Draft Combine record in the drill.