What's the word on Garcia?

[lawdog77]

Known commodities being the operative phrase in my statement. How many mock drafts was he on after his freshman year?

He was 1st team A-10 his Freshman year. Pretty well known

[panda]

He was 1st team A-10 his Freshman year. Pretty well known

So was Jacob Gilyard....

Once again, how many mock drafts did he show up on after his freshman year?

[Pakuni]

No Garcia (or Carton) on the list of NBA Combine participants.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1404908304262909952?s=20

[Silkk the Shaka]

No Garcia (or Carton) on the list of NBA Combine participants.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1404908304262909952?s=20

Interesting... maybe some hope for Garcia yet?

[The Lens]

No Garcia (or Carton) on the list of NBA Combine participants.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1404908304262909952?s=20

But they are invited to the G League Combine and can play their way into and invite to the NBA Combine

[Herman Cain]

But they are invited to the G League Combine and can play their way into and invite to the NBA Combine

I am hoping both knock it out of the ball park at the G League Combine. Really want to see these two guys get drafted.

[Dr. Blackheart]

No Garcia (or Carton) on the list of NBA Combine participants.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1404908304262909952?s=20

Congrats to Sam for making the list.

[Herman Cain]

Congrats to Sam for making the list.

There were 5 Big East guys on the list, 6 if you give partial credit to Sam's years of service.

[Galway Eagle]

Hmm does Sam get 3/4 of a painting on the wall at the Al if he makes it?

[withoutbias]

Hmm does Sam get 3/4 of a painting on the wall at the Al if he makes it?

HELL no.

Guy had his chance to be an all time MU great. Instead he went to a place where even if he won a National title, he was just a guy who was around for a year following up the original champions. And in reality he won as many Tourney games with the defending National champions as he did at Marquette.

[lawdog77]

So was Jacob Gilyard....

Once again, how many mock drafts did he show up on after his freshman year?

Back to the NBA knowing about Obi:
Following the end of the season he declared for the 2019 NBA draft, but did not hire an agent.[9] After working out for several NBA teams, Toppin opted to withdraw from the draft and return to Dayton.[10][11]
 Szkolar, Adrian (April 17, 2019). "Obi Toppin, Ossining graduate, declares for 2019 NBA Draft". The Journal News. Retrieved April 10, 2020.
 Jablonski, Dave (May 28, 2019). "Dayton Flyers forward Obi Toppin withdraws from NBA Draft". Dayton Daily News. Retrieved November 14, 2019.
 Albertie, Quenton S. (May 13, 2019). "2019 NBA Draft: Celtics workout Obi Toppin, A-10 Rookie of the Year". Celtics Wire. USA Today. Retrieved November 14, 2019.

[willie warrior]

HELL no.

Guy had his chance to be an all time MU great. Instead he went to a place where even if he won a National title, he was just a guy who was around for a year following up the original champions. And in reality he won as many Tourney games with the defending National champions as he did at Marquette.

Sounds like you have much bias. Sam left because of Wojo-Dukiet who then got his ass canned. Sam could not take Wojo-Dukiets bs, and eventually MU could not either.

[panda]

Back to the NBA knowing about Obi:
Following the end of the season he declared for the 2019 NBA draft, but did not hire an agent.[9] After working out for several NBA teams, Toppin opted to withdraw from the draft and return to Dayton.[10][11]
 Szkolar, Adrian (April 17, 2019). "Obi Toppin, Ossining graduate, declares for 2019 NBA Draft". The Journal News. Retrieved April 10, 2020.
 Jablonski, Dave (May 28, 2019). "Dayton Flyers forward Obi Toppin withdraws from NBA Draft". Dayton Daily News. Retrieved November 14, 2019.
 Albertie, Quenton S. (May 13, 2019). "2019 NBA Draft: Celtics workout Obi Toppin, A-10 Rookie of the Year". Celtics Wire. USA Today. Retrieved November 14, 2019.

All very interesting information Dog. Where was he on any mock draft ? That would be a pretty simple indication on whether or not he was on any NBA execs radar going into the 2019 draft….

[lawdog77]

Wouldnt know where to look to find a mock draft for 2019 before he pulled his name out of the draft. He was clearly on teams radars if he was invited for workouts. I would venture he was higher rated than Garcia is now.

[Skatastrophy]

Add in the fact that Larry Williams added in "academic progression" requirements (aka, known colloquially as the so called "Crowder Rules"). Vander struggled the previous summer to qualify on progression. Jamail didn't even make the summer cut and TJ Taylor never even cleared MU as he was bounced out in mid-July the summer before. To add support post-Vander's decision, at mid-terms, Todd had to sit until the 2nd semester due to academics and Jameel McKay transferred after Buzz wanted him to redshirt to catch-up academically in a Marquette Madness verbal dust-up (with Otule's 6th year as Buzz's back-up plan already in place).

Vander was done with school at the point of his decision, especially when when right before this Larry objected to Jae and DJO leaving class to participate in the Portsmouth NBA invitational. Jae just dropped out of school, attended and won MVP, while DJO finished school and didn't attend. Vander saw all this and made his choice as he was afraid his senior year value would have been diminished by having to sit out like eventually happened to Mayo.

(Note: I am not trying to relitigate this here as we have beaten this dead horse--and there are pros with that academic shift. But I bring this up to put the entire fact-set into context to Vander's overall decision...and to add a further lens to that preseason "over-ranked" team story that was in actuality missing many planned key pieces--maybe two-three starters and 2-3 key bench players lost over a year.)

Way back when I was drinking heavily with Vander's HS buddies. They insisted that Vander had decided to move on from MU before the season even started. There was no chance for MU to retain him. It was hard for me to hear because Vander was having such a wonderful season, but it turns out they weren't pulling my leg.

Oh, what could have been had Marquette never crossed paths with Larry Williams and Fr Pilarz.

[panda]

Wouldnt know where to look to find a mock draft for 2019 before he pulled his name out of the draft. He was clearly on teams radars if he was invited for workouts. I would venture he was higher rated than Garcia is now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nba/2018/12/05/2019-nba-draft-big-board-duke-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-cam-reddish-unc-nassir-little

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-mock-draft-top-three-of-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-a-virtual-lock-and-then-things-get-interesting/amp/

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/ESPN-2019-NBA-Mock-Draft-127935665/#127935665_18

https://basketballsocietyonline.com/2019-nba-mock-draft-version-1-0

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nba/2019/1/23/18190748/nba-mock-draft-2019-zion-williamson-rj-barrett-ja-morant-order

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2019-lottery-pelicans-knicks-hawks-duke-lakers-pick/1o4cowfofg0z1fflps2ib3rm2

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/2019-nba-mock-draft-30-pelicans-are-the-big-winners-with-zion-173924494.html

Here’s a few from various points during the 18/19 season and up until the point Toppin withdrew his name.

[MU82]

Way back when I was drinking heavily with Vander's HS buddies. They insisted that Vander had decided to move on from MU before the season even started. There was no chance for MU to retain him. It was hard for me to hear because Vander was having such a wonderful season, but it turns out they weren't pulling my leg.

If this is true and he didn't let Buzz know, shame on Vander. If this is true and he did let Buzz know, shame on Buzz for failing to add a good PG via recruiting or transfer.

[Pakuni]

A Dawson blurb in this 247 story about stay/go decisions that will impact the upcoming season:

There is a new coach in Milwaukee as former Texas coach Shaka Smart prepares for his first season at Marquette.
Having freshman power forward Dawson Garcia back would sure help Smart when it comes to establishing himself.
At nearly 6-foot-11, Garcia certainly has the size and skill to eventually play in the NBA. He did score an invite to the G League Elite Camp, but that’s probably not the most encouraging thing for somebody who is hoping to be a first round pick or at least get a guarantee in the second.
Garcia would likely improve on the 13.0 points and 6.6 rebounds per game he put up as a freshman if he comes back to play for Smart and he would certainly be a big boost for what is going to be a much different looking team.

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/10-NBA-Draft-deadline-decisions-that-could-impact-the-2021-22-college-season-166569954/#166569954_4

[lawdog77]

Some good info in there, but talk about a crapshoot after the top couple picks. My point still remains, Obi had NBA aspirations  and improved his stock by coming back to school.

[Uncle Rico]

Sounds like you have much bias. Sam left because of Wojo-Dukiet who then got his ass canned. Sam could not take Wojo-Dukiets bs, and eventually MU could not either.

Sam is a quitter but a helluva letter writer

[panda]

Some good info in there, but talk about a crapshoot after the top couple picks. My point still remains, Obi had NBA aspirations  and improved his stock by coming back to school.

And by and large, had a high ceiling going into his sophomore year.

A guy like vander or Henry, as known commodities, made the correct move as they had been thoroughly scouted. Not much they can improve upon in one year that would significantly change their draft stock.

[MU82]

Sam is a quitter but a helluva letter writer

True. But he’s gonna have an NBA career. Not surprised he’s been invited to the combine.

[Viper]

True. But he’s gonna have an NBA career. Not surprised he’s been invited to the combine.

interesting. So you believe Sam makes it in the NBA. I guess I just don’t see it.  Does he get drafted, or go the Wes Matthews route?  Who would you compare him to that’s in the nba currently?

[MU82]

interesting. So you believe Sam makes it in the NBA. I guess I just don’t see it.  Does he get drafted, or go the Wes Matthews route?  Who would you compare him to that’s in the nba currently?

Several of us have had this discussion many times already.

There is a premium on shooting. NBA teams are desperate for it. Sam is a great shooter. He’s also 6-8 and smart.

There are several Sam-ish guys who played Tuesday: Harris, Green, Connaughton. If Sam can show he shoots like Duncan Robinson, he is taller and at least as good defensively. Etc, etc.

I’d guess he’d be at best a mid- to late-2nd rounder, and very possibly undrafted, but I (and others) have been wrong about MU players and the draft.

We’ll see!

[lawdog77]

And by and large, had a high ceiling going into his sophomore year.

A guy like vander or Henry, as known commodities, made the correct move as they had been thoroughly scouted. Not much they can improve upon in one year that would significantly change their draft stock.

Here's a better article about Obi Toppin. Didn't realize he redshirted his first year. https://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/dayton-forward-obi-toppin-flyer-nation-back/swdGYPUHyYBrpHbWlNlxtI/

Agree with you about Henry. Disagree about Vander. I think he could have improved his draft stock by getting more time at PG. Same with Garcia. I feel there are areas of his fame he can improve to increase his draft stock. I don't see him getting drafted this year. Not hiring an agent leads me to believe he will be back if he does not get invited to the big boy combine.