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MU82

It took the NFL decades to "fix" the rule that let teams win an OT game on a FG on the first drive.

Since the current rules were put in place a few years ago, there have been numerous discussions exactly like the one taking place right now in the aftermath of last night's game. We'll see how quickly the NFL does anything about it.
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Uncle Rico

Chiefs proposed changing the rule.  Never made it to a vote.  Tough luck, Buffalo

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1485573050951217163?s=21
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The Sultan

Quote from: MU82 on January 24, 2022, 07:56:58 AM
It took the NFL decades to "fix" the rule that let teams win an OT game on a FG on the first drive.

Since the current rules were put in place a few years ago, there have been numerous discussions exactly like the one taking place right now in the aftermath of last night's game. We'll see how quickly the NFL does anything about it.


It's just such a simple fix.  Just give each team at least one possession.  I have no idea why they didn't do that when they changed the rule a few years ago.

And during the regular season, I am fine with the shorter OT and ties.  Watching soccer has given me more appreciation for the tie as an outcome anyway.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 24, 2022, 08:07:44 AM

It's just such a simple fix.  Just give each team at least one possession.  I have no idea why they didn't do that when they changed the rule a few years ago.


Agree, but "simple" doesn't mean it happens. It's been "simple" for decades.

One or two of these (or more) happen every year, and there's outcry, and little changes. It's like the gun debate.
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"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

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JWags85

Quote from: MU82 on January 24, 2022, 09:19:42 AM
One or two of these (or more) happen every year, and there's outcry, and little changes. It's like the gun debate.

Except who is fervently defending the rules as it stands?  Certainly not the fans or the players.

BM1090

Quote from: JWags85 on January 24, 2022, 11:59:54 AM
Except who is fervently defending the rules as it stands?  Certainly not the fans or the players.

That's what's most baffling to me about it. I can't think of one person who is adamantly in favor of the current rule. There are those who are fine with it, but none I know of who wouldn't support a change.

The Sultan

Here is an article from when the rule originally changed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/sports/football/24nfl.html

The long and short of it was, players and coaches wanted the rule to stay the same where any score is sudden death.  They had to some lobbying even to get the current rule in place.  And like most compromises, they aren't always satisfying.
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Billy Hoyle

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 23, 2022, 10:03:39 PM
So 2 seconds out of 13? Seems important. It also would have effected starting field position

they likely would have had better field position, and the Chiefs didn't need those two extra seconds.
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MUBBau

So they'll change the OT rule then they'll complain that so and so only got to touch the ball once.

The Sultan

Quote from: baumu on January 24, 2022, 01:28:21 PM
So they'll change the OT rule then they'll complain that so and so only got to touch the ball once.


So nothing should ever change because someone, somewhere would complain about that change?
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GB Warrior

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 24, 2022, 01:34:23 PM

So nothing should ever change because someone, somewhere would complain about that change?

The NFL overtime system was designed by Joe Manchin

MU82

Quote from: JWags85 on January 24, 2022, 11:59:54 AM
Except who is fervently defending the rules as it stands?  Certainly not the fans or the players.

Exactly. Does anybody who actually competes in games like the current rule?
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"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

jesmu84

Quote from: Jockey on January 23, 2022, 08:43:00 PM
A taunting call while the play is in progress? Don't think so.

https://youtu.be/wFLcHKQQVCQ

You were saying?

The Sultan

Good thing that wasn't called.  It would have ruined a fun moment.

Per usual, the things that the NFL decides to emphasize pre-season turns out to look rather foolish as the year goes on and becomes largely, but not completely ignored come playoff time.
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jesmu84

Allegedly, Bears HC finalists are Frazier, Caldwell and Eberflus.

Doesn't excite me one bit. Leads me to again believe ownership doesn't know how to run a modern NFL franchise.

Billy Hoyle

play an entire quarter, kind of like Soccer playing out all of extra time even if a goal is scored. If it's still tied, play another quarter.
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GB Warrior

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 24, 2022, 07:24:01 PM
play an entire quarter, kind of like Soccer playing out all of extra time even if a goal is scored. If it's still tied, play another quarter.

Is there a sport that could benefit more from sudden death than soccer?

ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 24, 2022, 07:24:01 PM
play an entire quarter, kind of like Soccer playing out all of extra time even if a goal is scored. If it's still tied, play another quarter.

Additional extra time is 2 15 minute periods regardless of any goals in soccer.  But I get your point.

JWags85

Quote from: jesmu84 on January 24, 2022, 05:38:48 PM
Allegedly, Bears HC finalists are Frazier, Caldwell and Eberflus.

Doesn't excite me one bit. Leads me to again believe ownership doesn't know how to run a modern NFL franchise.

Not meaning to be dramatic, but I think the only way that list could be worse is if Bowles was there instead of Caldwell. 

If they hire Frazier or Eberflus, might as well trade Fields.  And I'm serious about that

4everwarriors

Pack should trade Love and Drayton for Fields, aina?
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Pakuni

Quote from: JWags85 on January 24, 2022, 10:37:28 PM
 
If they hire Frazier or Eberflus, might as well trade Fields.  And I'm serious about that

Because a QB can't develop under a head coach who came from the defensive side of the ball?

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Pakuni on January 25, 2022, 07:24:38 AM
Because a QB can't develop under a head coach who came from the defensive side of the ball?

Make Ditka da OC, eh?
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jesmu84

Maybe it's recency bias because of Nagy - and I fully admit I haven't looked into this at all - are there examples of successful HC hires of a coordinator who was previously under a HC from the same side of the ball?

For example, Nagy was the OC under Reid who was proficient in offense and likely most responsible for development and strategy on that side of the ball.

Contrast that to perhaps Daboll who is the OC of the Bills who works under McDermott who is a defensive guy.

The Sultan

Sean McVay was OC for the Redskins working under Jay Gruden
Matt Lafleur spent one year at Tennessee but prior to that worked under McVay in LA
Zac Taylor wasn't even a coordinator but the QB coach under McVay

Not recent but Andy Reid was never even a coordinator but the TE and QB coach in Green Bay when he was hired by Philly.
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