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Title: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 04, 2021, 05:07:04 PM
Now that the draft is over the 2021-22 Season discussion has started.

Looking forward to a very competitive season in the NFC . I think Kansas City is still the team to beat in the AFC
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 04, 2021, 05:18:23 PM
Can’t wait to see Mahomes plays Rodgers twice a year
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on May 04, 2021, 06:44:17 PM
Can’t wait to see Mahomes plays Rodgers twice a year

Vegas or Denver?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 04, 2021, 07:01:38 PM
Vegas or Denver?

Either or
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 04, 2021, 08:48:45 PM
Favre weights in Rodgers Imbroglio.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/04/brett-favre-weighs-on-aaron-rodgers-rift-with-packers/

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 04, 2021, 09:03:06 PM
Favre taking a shot at Rodgers grudges and relationships (or lack thereof) with family and friends  :D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 04, 2021, 10:22:35 PM
Favre taking a shot at Rodgers grudges and relationships (or lack thereof) with family and friends  :D

Intellectually, Favre is cut from the same cloth as Bradshaw.

Ca_, anyone?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 04, 2021, 10:39:16 PM
Intellectually, Favre is cut from the same cloth as Bradshaw.

Ca_, anyone?

That was a stupid insinuation then and still is one now, that Bradshaw, however, has always had the self awareness to play into.  He’s never taken himself too seriously, something old ARod could learn from.

He also was a consummate leader who butted heads with Noll constantly but remained professional and successful, and multiple times fought to keep his spot when the Steelers brought in other QBs.

Bradshaw has been also wildly successful off because he’s warm and affable and funny and charming.   He’s basically the anti-Rodgers
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 05, 2021, 08:27:13 AM
Maybe you are right. He was a turnover machine who was smart enough to benefit from the labors of one of the best defenses ever.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 05, 2021, 12:17:01 PM
Good Article By Former Packers Executive on the Aaron Rodgers Imbroglio.


https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/05/04/business-of-football-aaron-rodgers-jordan-love-brett-favre-parallel
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 05, 2021, 12:31:23 PM
I just don't think Brandt is right here.  There are two likely endings to this.  Either he is traded after June 1 somewhere OR he signs an extension for more guaranteed $$$.

I don't think he plays in GB in 2021 under his current contract.

How about Rodgers to the Raiders for Derek Carr and two firsts?  Carr's deal ends after 2022, so he plays for a year with Love as his backup.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 05, 2021, 01:33:04 PM
I just don't think Brandt is right here.  There are two likely endings to this.  Either he is traded after June 1 somewhere OR he signs an extension for more guaranteed $$$.

I don't think he plays in GB in 2021 under his current contract.

How about Rodgers to the Raiders for Derek Carr and two firsts?  Carr's deal ends after 2022, so he plays for a year with Love as his backup.

I'm interested in this, since change is inevitable, and Rodgers stock is as high as it will get for the rest of his career.  Move on, end the drama.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on May 05, 2021, 01:51:39 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1389997796296691719?s=19

Told potential free agents he wouldn't play in green bay in 2021
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on May 05, 2021, 02:00:48 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1389997796296691719?s=19

Told potential free agents he wouldn't play in green bay in 2021

Allegedly.

But if true he has to go.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on May 05, 2021, 02:03:23 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1389997796296691719?s=19

Told potential free agents he wouldn't play in green bay in 2021

Another Rodgers Camp Leak.  It's Day 6 and they're running out of material.  Yawn. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 05, 2021, 02:06:39 PM
https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1389997796296691719?s=19

Told potential free agents he wouldn't play in green bay in 2021


Yet Bahktiari re-upped late last year and Marcedes Lewis resigned this off season.  Both are close to Rodgers. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 05, 2021, 02:10:46 PM
Yea, that’s from McGinn, which I’d take with a grain of salt.

As mentioned, Bahktiari re-upped. Also, Aaron Jones re-upped when he probably could have gotten more money in free agency.

It’s interesting to see what Rodgers wants. He turned down an extension, but who knows what that looked like for 2022 and 2023. The Packers obviously hopes he plays on his current contract, but it seems like that’s unlikely. Although, they may think he’s bluffing and see if he would holdout.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 05, 2021, 02:12:46 PM

Yet Bahktiari re-upped late last year and Marcedes Lewis resigned this off season.  Both are close to Rodgers.

Aaron Jones. Kevin King. Will Redmond. Tyler Lancaster. Apparently they want nothing to do with Rodgers.

There may be some truth in some of the rumors, but not much.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 05, 2021, 02:40:38 PM
I’m floored by people that don’t believe Rodgers is capable of any of the things being said.  Either you’re blinded by homerism or simply haven’t been paying attention to his career
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 05, 2021, 02:46:21 PM
I’m floored by people that don’t believe Rodgers is capable of any of the things being said.  Either you’re blinded by homerism or simply haven’t been paying attention to his career

Capable of what? Telling free agents he is not going to be back? I think it’s something he could do, but it doesn’t seem to add up as guys he’s close with are signing back with the Packers.

Holding out? I could see him doing that if he thinks it will force the Packers hand. He’s not getting any younger, so I don’t feel that’s a major threat.

Retiring? He would have to pay back $23 million. I’ve seen even as high as $30 million. Sure, if he gets Jeopardy and he’s still making a few million a year, it might soften that blow.

There’s a lot he can do. However, I feel the Packers hold most of the cards in the sense he’s under contract for 3 more years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on May 05, 2021, 02:47:46 PM
I’m floored by people that don’t believe Rodgers is capable of any of the things being said.  Either you’re blinded by homerism or simply haven’t been paying attention to his career

I think it's likely most of the leaks are true. I have a hard time believing the Krause stuff without screenshots, and the FA stuff given all of his friends have re-signed with the team for 2021.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 05, 2021, 02:48:38 PM
I think it's likely most of the leaks are true. I have a hard time believing the Krause stuff without screenshots, and the FA stuff given all of his friends have re-signed with the team for 2021.

Just because 12 doesn’t want to play for GB doesn’t mean others don’t. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on May 05, 2021, 02:51:26 PM
Rodgers has made "carries grudges/chip on his shoulder" the single most defining aspect of his identity. I'm surprised it blew up *now* because I expected him to take the roster on one more shot at a ring, but I'm *not* surprised at all that this blew up.

He's been on a trajectory for a bad break up ever since the first time he came out of that tunnel as the starter after the Favre break up and got booed. Between that and the franchise having displayed a willingness to move on one year too early rather than one year too late over and over and over again matched with Rodgers' supreme faith in his own infallibility, this was inevitable.

It's a shame he doesn't want to take the title shot, but again this is who Rodgers has always been and there was no end to his time in GB (short of a catastrophic injury that forced him to retire) where it doesn't go down as a mess.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on May 05, 2021, 02:51:59 PM
Just because 12 doesn’t want to play for GB doesn’t mean others don’t.

Sure. But he's texting his teammates making fun of Gute while his teammates are re-signing? Or his teammates hate Gute as well but are choosing to stay in GB? It just doesn't add up.

And it came from McGinn, which automatically puts an asterisk next to it. It's not impossible I'm just more hesitant to believe it than I am with some of the other stuff.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on May 05, 2021, 02:56:31 PM
No wonder his own family has nothing to do with him lol
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 05, 2021, 02:56:49 PM
Sure. But he's texting his teammates making fun of Gute while his teammates are re-signing? Or his teammates hate Gute as well but are choosing to stay in GB? It just doesn't add up.

And it came from McGinn, which automatically puts an asterisk next to it. It's not impossible I'm just more hesitant to believe it than I am with some of the other stuff.

Given his personal history, I don’t think he has as many friends on the team as some believe
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 05, 2021, 03:27:19 PM
Given his personal history, I don’t think he has as many friends on the team as some believe

I mean, you can see the pictures of guys he hangs out with during the off season anywhere on the internet.  Create whichever narrative you'd like, but at least back it up.

(https://wpcdn.us-east-1.vip.tn-cloud.net/www.channel3000.com/content/uploads/2021/05/z/v/screen-shot-2021-05-01-at-12335-pm-e1619893470434-1024x576.png)

He looks very Tom Petty-esque here... real skrawny... but he's standing next to Bakh.

(https://i.insider.com/5ccdf089021b4c326f172e53?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

You can see from a lot of pictures that exist on the internet that he has hung out with plenty of his current and former teammates.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 05, 2021, 03:35:49 PM
I think it's likely most of the leaks are true. I have a hard time believing the Krause stuff without screenshots, and the FA stuff given all of his friends have re-signed with the team for 2021.

Rodgers is strictly leaking for his benefit. The Packers are leaking strictly for their benefit.

While both sides are saying some stuff that is true, I would not take any statements at face value.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 05, 2021, 03:45:57 PM
I mean, you can see the pictures of guys he hangs out with during the off season anywhere on the internet.  Create whichever narrative you'd like, but at least back it up.

To be fair, those are both at the Derby in different years, and Randall Cobb is a Kentucky guy.  I imagine most of those crews arent jetting out to hang out with Rodgers in Del Mar in the offseason

I think he's legitimately tight with Bakhtiari, and he clearly has a relationship with Hawk from their podcast stuff with McAfee.  But I don't think its far fetched to think the vast majority of the team is at arms length from him.  Probably cause they knows they could be thrown underneath the bus at any moment.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 05, 2021, 04:15:57 PM
To be fair, those are both at the Derby in different years, and Randall Cobb is a Kentucky guy.  I imagine most of those crews arent jetting out to hang out with Rodgers in Del Mar in the offseason

I think he's legitimately tight with Bakhtiari, and he clearly has a relationship with Hawk from their podcast stuff with McAfee.  But I don't think its far fetched to think the vast majority of the team is at arms length from him.  Probably cause they knows they could be thrown underneath the bus at any moment.

Ah, so multiple pictures of guys hanging out don't count, but warrant-less opinions do?  He clearly gets along with his receivers, lineman, and Tim Boyle. 

I have yet to hear a single player talk trash about Aaron once they've left the team.  And plenty of guys have had the opportunity.  Instead, all I read are glowing stories about Aaron.  So where's the smoke that you guys see?  It seems to be entirely fabricated. 

In fact:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/green-bay-packers-robert-tonyan-jr-football

Just read it.  Yeah, Aaron... the guy who is constantly joking with teammates and opponents during and after the game is toxic.  SMH.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 05, 2021, 04:30:00 PM
Ah, so multiple pictures of guys hanging out don't count, but warrant-less opinions do?  He clearly gets along with his receivers, lineman, and Tim Boyle. 

I have yet to hear a single player talk trash about Aaron once they've left the team.  And plenty of guys have had the opportunity.  Instead, all I read are glowing stories about Aaron.  So where's the smoke that you guys see?  It seems to be entirely fabricated. 

In fact:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/green-bay-packers-robert-tonyan-jr-football

Just read it.  Yeah, Aaron... the guy who is constantly joking with teammates and opponents during and after the game is toxic.  SMH.

You think Rodgers' reputation around the league and media as a prickly diva and who holds absurd grudges is totally unfounded? Keep carrying that water.

Just because teammates don't explicitly trash him on the way out and hes in some pictures at big parties/events?  Ok. Pretty sure Greg Jennings and Finley both took shots at him shortly after leaving GB.

Everything about his brand reputation is carefully micro-managed.  I dont think any of us know the real Rodgers, and most of his teammates probably dont either.   Im sure you think he and Danica Patrick were a totally genuine match, totally non-PR relationship as well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 05, 2021, 04:40:09 PM
You think Rodgers' reputation around the league and media as a prickly diva and who holds absurd grudges is totally unfounded? Keep carrying that water.

Just because teammates don't explicitly trash him on the way out and hes in some pictures at big parties/events?  Ok. Pretty sure Greg Jennings and Finley both took shots at him shortly after leaving GB.

Everything about his brand reputation is carefully micro-managed.  I dont think any of us know the real Rodgers, and most of his teammates probably dont either.   Im sure you think he and Danica Patrick were a totally genuine match, totally non-PR relationship as well.

That isn't what we're talking about.  I didn't say he wasn't a prickly diva... I directly countered the claim that his teammates don't love him.  You've found two players out of hundreds that have said bad things about him.... in 16 years.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/09/aaron-rodgers-finally-fires-back-at-greg-jennings-jermichael-finley/

Several former teammates have come to the defense of Rodgers since the article published, including John Kuhn, James Jones, Casey Hayward and even Jeff Janis. Almost universally, former and current teammates have defended Rodgers’ leadership ability – turning Jenning and Finley into the loudest voices in an otherwise empty room.

The rest you've added is irrelevant.  I'm aware that professional athletes are brands that they carefully manage.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 05, 2021, 04:45:56 PM
I mean, you can see the pictures of guys he hangs out with during the off season anywhere on the internet.  Create whichever narrative you'd like, but at least back it up.

(https://wpcdn.us-east-1.vip.tn-cloud.net/www.channel3000.com/content/uploads/2021/05/z/v/screen-shot-2021-05-01-at-12335-pm-e1619893470434-1024x576.png)

He looks very Tom Petty-esque here... real skrawny... but he's standing next to Bakh.

(https://i.insider.com/5ccdf089021b4c326f172e53?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

You can see from a lot of pictures that exist on the internet that he has hung out with plenty of his current and former teammates.

I’m sure he’s friends with many of the guys he’s played with.  I’m also sure many players that played with him now and before don’t like him at all.  The guy disowned his family for crying aloud.  I think people are overestimating how quickly his current teammates would rally around Jordan Love if need be.  Probably because they’re sick of being told he doesn’t have enough good players around him to win
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 05, 2021, 04:48:12 PM
You think Rodgers' reputation around the league and media as a prickly diva and who holds absurd grudges is totally unfounded? Keep carrying that water.

Just because teammates don't explicitly trash him on the way out and hes in some pictures at big parties/events?  Ok. Pretty sure Greg Jennings and Finley both took shots at him shortly after leaving GB.

Everything about his brand reputation is carefully micro-managed.  I dont think any of us know the real Rodgers, and most of his teammates probably dont either.   Im sure you think he and Danica Patrick were a totally genuine match, totally non-PR relationship as well.

Jennings and Finley don’t count for some reason. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 05, 2021, 04:56:36 PM
I’m sure he’s friends with many of the guys he’s played with.  I’m also sure many players that played with him now and before don’t like him at all.  The guy disowned his family for crying aloud. I think people are overestimating how quickly his current teammates would rally around Jordan Love if need be. Probably because they’re sick of being told he doesn’t have enough good players around him to win

bolded: His family is also bat doo doo insane

italics: probably, and Packer fans would probably boo him the first time out of the tunnel the way they did Aaron.

underlined: find me some quotes of Aaron saying this.

Jennings and Finley don’t count for some reason. 

They do, but they're in the minority.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 05, 2021, 05:05:34 PM
bolded: His family is also bat doo doo insane

italics: probably, and Packer fans would probably boo him the first time out of the tunnel the way they did Aaron.

underlined: find me some quotes of Aaron saying this.

They do, but they're in the minority.

For years, the media and fans have been beating the drum the front office doesn’t put enough talent around 12 to win.  Safe to say his teammates hear it all the time
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on May 05, 2021, 05:07:12 PM
bolded: His family is also bat doo doo insane

Where have you read or heard this?  I’ve never seen anything of the sort.  His parents especially seem like good people, strong values, and all that. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 05, 2021, 06:40:05 PM
Where have you read or heard this?  I’ve never seen anything of the sort.  His parents especially seem like good people, strong values, and all that.

Google them.  Jordan is a piece of work on his own.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 05, 2021, 06:40:28 PM
For years, the media and fans have been beating the drum the front office doesn’t put enough talent around 12 to win.  Safe to say his teammates hear it all the time

Ah, okay, so nothing Rodgers has said.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 05, 2021, 06:47:09 PM
Aaron Rodgers is considered a good teammate in general and is VERY close to many of his teammates.  He's not inviting people to join him at the Derby unless he is close to them.  He stood up in Randall Cobb's wedding for goodness sake.

He might be a diva on many levels, but most players don't see things the way we do.  What happens in the locker room is usually separate from this stuff.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 05, 2021, 06:54:41 PM
Ah, okay, so nothing Rodgers has said.

I’m sure it sits well with them hearing that all the time.  The QB who couldn’t manage to take advantage of his defense giving him three turnovers win a second half.  No, it’s the lack of talent around Aaron. It probably sits well with them, too, knowing the QB isn’t happy with how the GM constructs the roster.

As for the family party, I’m sure Aaron bares no blame at all.  There’s no reason to believe he could have any fault in that strained relationship.

I heard all this garbage about Favre in 2007.  Great teammate, blah, blah, blah.  The cult of the QB is strong.  Rodgers, like Favre, is the problem 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on May 05, 2021, 07:36:12 PM
I’m sure it sits well with them hearing that all the time.  The QB who couldn’t manage to take advantage of his defense giving him three turnovers win a second half.  No, it’s the lack of talent around Aaron. It probably sits well with them, too, knowing the QB isn’t happy with how the GM constructs the roster.

As for the family party, I’m sure Aaron bares no blame at all.  There’s no reason to believe he could have any fault in that strained relationship.

I heard all this garbage about Favre in 2007.  Great teammate, blah, blah, blah.  The cult of the QB is strong.  Rodgers, like Favre, is the problem

So if the Packers get rid of Rodgers they’ll...go 14-2 or better and at least make the Super Bowl?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 05, 2021, 08:10:54 PM
So if the Packers get rid of Rodgers they’ll...go 14-2 or better and at least make the Super Bowl?

I don’t know.  I do know I was told the franchise couldn’t let Favre go in 2007 and they figured it out without him. 

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 05, 2021, 10:19:14 PM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/05/john-kuhn-provides-some-clarity-on-aaron-rodgers-packers-conflict/amp/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 05, 2021, 10:25:14 PM
Yea, that’s from McGinn, which I’d take with a grain of salt.

Why, cheebs? Is he not a good reporter? Does he routinely write dishonestly? Not being snarky. I seriously don't know. I do know he has had a reputation for decades as a very good reporter.

I feel the Packers hold most of the cards in the sense he’s under contract for 3 more years.

I dunno. I guess they hold most of the cards if they're willing to go from being a perennial contender to being a mediocrity. And maybe they are, indeed, willing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on May 05, 2021, 11:30:03 PM
Why, cheebs? Is he not a good reporter? Does he routinely write dishonestly? Not being snarky. I seriously don't know. I do know he has had a reputation for decades as a very good reporter.

I dunno. I guess they hold most of the cards if they're willing to go from being a perennial contender to being a mediocrity. And maybe they are, indeed, willing.

He was a great reporter. Still credible but less so when the topic is Rodgers. Never passes up a chance to take a shot at him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 06, 2021, 12:13:56 AM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/05/john-kuhn-provides-some-clarity-on-aaron-rodgers-packers-conflict/amp/

Anyone who has ever heard Kuhn on the radio knows he may be the biggest Rodgers apologist in the state.  Someone could criticize Rodgers having bad or lazy footwork in a game leading to a number of bad throws in critical times and Kuhn would talk about field conditions and Nike sending him a pair of defective cleats
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 06, 2021, 03:15:28 AM
Anyone who has ever heard Kuhn on the radio knows he may be the biggest Rodgers apologist in the state.  Someone could criticize Rodgers having bad or lazy footwork in a game leading to a number of bad throws in critical times and Kuhn would talk about field conditions and Nike sending him a pair of defective cleats


Right but he’s his mouthpiece. He is saying what I am beginning to think what this is all about. A contract negotiation.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 06, 2021, 07:46:57 AM
He was a great reporter. Still credible but less so when the topic is Rodgers. Never passes up a chance to take a shot at him.

Not many “reporters” left. Lots of Op/Ed writers disguised as reporters, though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 06, 2021, 08:15:28 AM
Not many “reporters” left. Lots of Op/Ed writers disguised as reporters, though.


Reporting doesn't get the eyeballs any longer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 06, 2021, 08:20:48 AM
https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1389588294686724102
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 06, 2021, 08:30:29 AM
Why, cheebs? Is he not a good reporter? Does he routinely write dishonestly? Not being snarky. I seriously don't know. I do know he has had a reputation for decades as a very good reporter.

I dunno. I guess they hold most of the cards if they're willing to go from being a perennial contender to being a mediocrity. And maybe they are, indeed, willing.

Others have said it, but I don’t know that he’s as respected now. He’s a great historian of the game. However, when it comes to current reporting, he’s not as reliable.

I saw elsewhere that the Packers pulled his credentials. I think he may be running with something that’s not true to get his name out there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on May 06, 2021, 08:35:39 AM
Why, cheebs? Is he not a good reporter? Does he routinely write dishonestly? Not being snarky. I seriously don't know. I do know he has had a reputation for decades as a very good reporter.

I dunno. I guess they hold most of the cards if they're willing to go from being a perennial contender to being a mediocrity. And maybe they are, indeed, willing.

McGinn was a good reporter when he was with the Journal. I don't remember the details, but he had somewhat of a falling out with the organization. He started his own enterprise reporting on the Packers and since jumped the shark a little. Some of his negative reports in the past were found out to be untrue.

Losing Rodgers doesn't mean the Packers will go to perennial mediocrity. I heard the same exact comments when Favre left and it worked out ok.   They do not need a hall of fame qb to be successful. In fact, the high salary cap number restricts them to some degree. The organization was there and successful long before Rodgers and will be there long after Rodgers. Part of me says screw Rodgers and play hard ball with him, the smart thing to do would be to cash in now and rebuild quickly. Rodgers only has maybe 3 effective years left anyway.  Also, don't discount Jordan Love. He may be great or good enough, maybe not I guess we will see.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on May 06, 2021, 08:37:00 AM
Others have said it, but I don’t know that he’s as respected now. He’s a great historian of the game. However, when it comes to current reporting, he’s not as reliable.

I saw elsewhere that the Packers pulled his credentials. I think he may be running with something that’s not true to get his name out there.

This. I think he has done it in the past.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 06, 2021, 08:37:19 AM
Others have said it, but I don’t know that he’s as respected now. He’s a great historian of the game. However, when it comes to current reporting, he’s not as reliable.

I saw elsewhere that the Packers pulled his credentials. I think he may be running with something that’s not true to get his name out there.


He left the MJS and tried to go out on his own with a pay site...and that didn't work.  So now he is with the Athletic.  Last I heard, he doesn't even live in Wisconsin - he's in Michigan somewhere.

Part of his problem is that he was brutally honest with player evaluation, coaching and the GM that nobody wanted to deal with him.  I loved him back in the day, but he really has never been a "source" guy.  That's usually Silverstein, Demovsky or Wilde.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on May 06, 2021, 08:48:48 AM

He left the MJS and tried to go out on his own with a pay site...and that didn't work.  So now he is with the Athletic.  Last I heard, he doesn't even live in Wisconsin - he's in Michigan somewhere.

Part of his problem is that he was brutally honest with player evaluation, coaching and the GM that nobody wanted to deal with him.  I loved him back in the day, but he really has never been a "source" guy.  That's usually Silverstein, Demovsky or Wilde.

My recollection of him at the tail end of his MJS tenure was that he had almost turned being "brutally honest" into a schtick. It almost seemed like he'd decided to play the role of contrarian and simply be negative to contrast himself from the otherwise hagiographical GB press. Maybe he was speaking truths, but if I'm remembering my own reaction correctly I started to think he was Skip Bayless and his asinine "takes" -- saying (writing) things that are not genuinely held but are merely the outcome of a production meeting where it was decided that this was the position to draw the largest volume of reactions.

After he left to go behind a paywall I've read precisely 0 of his words, so no clue how he's been recently.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 06, 2021, 08:49:29 AM
This. I think he has done it in the past.

He’s got to be 70 years old.  He has an incredible legacy of covering the sport.  Why does he want to “get his name out there”?  He’s going to tarnish a career making something up to get his name out there? 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on May 06, 2021, 08:55:33 AM
He’s got to be 70 years old.  He has an incredible legacy of covering the sport.  Why does he want to “get his name out there”?  He’s going to tarnish a career making something up to get his name out there?
Because after he left the Journal and lost press credentials with the Packers, he has become somewhat irrelevant. I think the Skip Bayless comparison is accurate. Somewhat of a shock jock.
Read the post by jfricke13,, it think that is accurate.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 06, 2021, 09:22:24 AM
My recollection of him at the tail end of his MJS tenure was that he had almost turned being "brutally honest" into a schtick. It almost seemed like he'd decided to play the role of contrarian and simply be negative to contrast himself from the otherwise hagiographical GB press. Maybe he was speaking truths, but if I'm remembering my own reaction correctly I started to think he was Skip Bayless and his asinine "takes" -- saying (writing) things that are not genuinely held but are merely the outcome of a production meeting where it was decided that this was the position to draw the largest volume of reactions.

After he left to go behind a paywall I've read precisely 0 of his words, so no clue how he's been recently.

Yup. Wasn’t his famous one regarding the Packers being fine if Rodgers got hurt? Then it happened and it was a disaster. I remember him getting a lot of heat for that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 06, 2021, 09:29:44 AM
I mean, you can see the pictures of guys he hangs out with during the off season anywhere on the internet.  Create whichever narrative you'd like, but at least back it up.

(https://wpcdn.us-east-1.vip.tn-cloud.net/www.channel3000.com/content/uploads/2021/05/z/v/screen-shot-2021-05-01-at-12335-pm-e1619893470434-1024x576.png)

He looks very Tom Petty-esque here... real skrawny... but he's standing next to Bakh.

(https://i.insider.com/5ccdf089021b4c326f172e53?width=700&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

You can see from a lot of pictures that exist on the internet that he has hung out with plenty of his current and former teammates.




Witch won iz Jake Kumerow, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on May 06, 2021, 09:34:27 AM
If I remember correctly the Packers were trying to keep Letroy Guillon's legal issues pretty quiet after signing him, the JS wrote an article detailing all of it, the Packers got pissed, and McGinn wrote an article in response saying they're no different than any other organization trying to win at all costs.  I'm sure that soured the relationship between him and the Packers, and that's when he seemingly started writing only negative things about the Packers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on May 06, 2021, 09:49:41 AM
Don't get me wrong, he could be 100% sourced and accurate here. I have no idea. He may be a great reporter doing great work and offering analysis informed by his decades of experience and I'm just not seeing it because it's behind a paywall I haven't unlocked. I have no clue.

I'm merely dusting off my memories of the guy from back when he was at MJS.

FWIW, if this is all about the "12 calls Gutey Jerry Krause" thing, that's totally believable. If it's the "12 is tampering with free agents" I'm not quite sure I buy that (though might believe it's a fabricated story strategically leaked by GB as part of the information/disinformation proxy war). 12 doing that would create cracks in the information flow that he is seeking to control. For instance, if he was timing the release for draft day for maximal fallout (which I believe he did), then putting the story in the ears of other players and agents decreases the odds that he could pull off the reveal that he wanted. It's not that I don't believe he's capable of taking his spite campaign in that direction, but I think he's unwillingly to play against his chosen strategy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 06, 2021, 09:57:38 AM
Don't get me wrong, he could be 100% sourced and accurate here. I have no idea. He may be a great reporter doing great work and offering analysis informed by his decades of experience and I'm just not seeing it because it's behind a paywall I haven't unlocked. I have no clue.

I'm merely dusting off my memories of the guy from back when he was at MJS.

FWIW, if this is all about the "12 calls Gutey Jerry Krause" thing, that's totally believable. If it's the "12 is tampering with free agents" I'm not quite sure I buy that (though might believe it's a fabricated story strategically leaked by GB as part of the information/disinformation proxy war). 12 doing that would create cracks in the information flow that he is seeking to control. For instance, if he was timing the release for draft day for maximal fallout (which I believe he did), then putting the story in the ears of other players and agents decreases the odds that he could pull off the reveal that he wanted. It's not that I don't believe he's capable of taking his spite campaign in that direction, but I think he's unwillingly to play against his chosen strategy.

I agree. The Krause thing I believe. I don’t know that McGinn has screenshots of the text thread. I can’t imagine anyone is remaining in that thread much longer if they are leaking it to the press unless Rodgers wants them to.

I don’t buy that he’s telling free agents he’s gone. With anything, the more people you tell, the more likely it’s going to get out. You have a handful of players telling their agents to not talk to GB because Rodgers is gone and that doesn’t leak anywhere?

I think Rodgers goal is to get the last two years of his contract guaranteed. I think at the end of the day, he wants to stay in GB but is pissed they won’t commit. GB is looking for some flexibility in case he falls off a cliff like Brees, gets hurt, or Love is looking like the next great QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on May 06, 2021, 10:09:51 AM
I think the majority of these leaks are coming from Rodgers Camp.  They are doing everything they can to to force the Packers hand and GBP isn't moving.

Rodgers will be under center for the Pack come September. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 06, 2021, 10:40:58 AM
If I remember correctly the Packers were trying to keep Letroy Guillon's legal issues pretty quiet after signing him, the JS wrote an article detailing all of it, the Packers got pissed, and McGinn wrote an article in response saying they're no different than any other organization trying to win at all costs.  I'm sure that soured the relationship between him and the Packers, and that's when he seemingly started writing only negative things about the Packers.

He’s been writing his honest assessment of the Packers for as long as I’ve read him.  I’m a collector and keeper of old newspapers and have a pile of stuff dating back to 1995 about the Packers. 

Any comparisons of him to Skip Bayless is absurd.  If people want to say he’s gotten more negative, I won’t disagree but he isn’t Skip and he isn’t looking to bury Rodgers or the organization.  He could have done that years ago with all kinds of stories that would have been far more damaging than this silly spat.

Michael Cohen wrote the Guion article and McGinn’s response was spot on.  The Packers aren’t above having bad dudes on their roster
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 06, 2021, 10:45:19 AM
From ESPN:

If anyone understands what Aaron Rodgers is thinking as he weighs his NFL future, it might be former Green Bay Packers fullback John Kuhn.

Kuhn says he has talked with Rodgers since the news broke last Thursday of the reigning NFL MVP's unhappiness with the Packers organization.

During an appearance Wednesday night on CBS Radio, Kuhn said he wouldn't disclose the exact details of their conversation but painted a picture of a quarterback who is evaluating all aspects of the situation and hasn't made up his mind for certain.

"He's conflicted because this man loves to play the game of football, this man loves to be a Green Bay Packer and this man truly sees careers," Kuhn said during the interview. "He's watched friends leave, he watched Brett Favre's career toward the end. He's watched all these things play out in front of his eyes; he's taken notes throughout his career. He's seen some situations that didn't feel were done or finished the way that they could or should have.

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"He's just trying to take his earned destiny within his own hands. To that effect, I actually admire him because not many players in the NFL have that opportunity. I sure as heck didn't. I played until everybody told me 'you can't play anymore,' and it's a humbling feeling. Aaron Rodgers has an opportunity to take a little bit of that power."

Kuhn, a regular golf partner of Rodgers', played for the Packers from 2007 to 2015 before returning to the organization to do some media work after his retirement. The former fan favorite offered a more optimistic outlook for Rodgers' return than a suggestion earlier Wednesday from Favre, who said his gut told him that "if there's not a trade ... [Rodgers would] rather sit out than play."

"If I used my gut and I used everything that I hear from the Packers organization, it makes me feel really, really good," Kuhn said. "If I used the football business acumen and see the tough spot that the Packers are in right now with that first-round pick that they used last year on Jordan Love, that's what makes me pull back a little bit. I still think it's somewhere around 70, 75% that Aaron Rodgers is the starting quarterback for the Packers this year."

Kuhn said he does not believe the report that said Rodgers would not return if Brian Gutekunst remained as general manager.

"I really don't think Aaron is that cynical of a person, no matter what differences they have," Kuhn said. "He's proven to the Packers brass that just because he has differences with the head coach or a general manager, it doesn't necessarily affect his play and his professionalism. I can't see that being a direct quote from Aaron Rodgers.

"I still believe there's an opportunity at a resolution here. I just think it's going to take two men that are dug in right now and try to meet in the middle somewhere they're both happy."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on May 06, 2021, 01:12:11 PM
Schefter admits he had no new sources and released it on draft day for clicks. No new developments/leaks on either side since January. Talked about it on Dan Patrick show.

I'm oversimplifying due to lack of time but it certainly seems like while Rodgers is unhappy the reports are exaggerated.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on May 06, 2021, 01:37:53 PM
Schefter admits he had no new sources and released it on draft day for clicks. No new developments/leaks on either side since January. Talked about it on Dan Patrick show.

I'm oversimplifying due to lack of time but it certainly seems like while Rodgers is unhappy the reports are exaggerated.
Heard that, and it makes him (Schefter) look bad in my opinion. He said it wasn't one specific source, incident or comment, but everything that he pieced together since January.  Schefter and Rodgers are tight and share the same agent.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 06, 2021, 01:53:01 PM
Heard that, and it makes him (Schefter) look bad in my opinion. He said it wasn't one specific source, incident or comment, but everything that he pieced together since January.  Schefter and Rodgers are tight and share the same agent.

I think that last sentence makes me think this is Schefter protecting a source and helping Rodgers save face. Between this and what Kuhn/Hawk have said, it seems like they are walking back the story.

I think Rodgers team leaked it to put pressure on the Packers to commit to him with guaranteed money. The draft has the biggest eyeballs on it.

I also think Rodgers thought he’d have more fan support than he does. Also, I’m sure someone close to the Packers saying be wants Gutey fired and the Packers FO putting put statements confirming tension didn’t help fan appeal.

To me this seems like a contract negotiation where Rodgers played a pretty nuclear card and now it’s playing out more in the media.

Plus, Schefter eats some humble pie now, everyone forgets about it, and Rodgers gives him a bigger scoop later.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 06, 2021, 03:13:41 PM
He’s been writing his honest assessment of the Packers for as long as I’ve read him.  I’m a collector and keeper of old newspapers and have a pile of stuff dating back to 1995 about the Packers. 

Any comparisons of him to Skip Bayless is absurd.  If people want to say he’s gotten more negative, I won’t disagree but he isn’t Skip and he isn’t looking to bury Rodgers or the organization.  He could have done that years ago with all kinds of stories that would have been far more damaging than this silly spat.

Michael Cohen wrote the Guion article and McGinn’s response was spot on.  The Packers aren’t above having bad dudes on their roster

Rico, I agree with you on the McGinn topic.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 06, 2021, 04:32:59 PM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/06/former-packers-wr-james-jones-thinks-aaron-rodgers-situation-is-fixable/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 06, 2021, 04:56:38 PM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/06/former-packers-wr-james-jones-thinks-aaron-rodgers-situation-is-fixable/

Let's just say that JJ is closer to A-Aron than Schefter is.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 06, 2021, 08:01:50 PM
I appreciate the many takes on McGinn. I read some of his general NFL stuff on The Athletic (such as his draft preview series) but I don't read much of what he writes about the Packers. It's hard for me to believe he knowingly writes untruths, because The Athletic is a very respected site and wouldn't abide by it, but maybe.

As for the Packers surviving Favre's departure serving as evidence that they could do it again, perhaps that's true. Perhaps Love is the next Favre or Rodgers.

But if one looks up the Packers' record in the decades between Starr and Favre and then again when Rodgers has been injured, it would suggest that people might be wise not to downplay the presence of a Hall of Fame QB under center.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 07, 2021, 12:21:07 AM
https://www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/nfl/rodgers-packers-cant-afford-price-of-divorce
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashSean on May 07, 2021, 05:03:38 AM
Imagine people thinking rodgers isn't a child who holds massive grudges and needs to be the "best".

If he truly wanted to win with a team, he'd tear up his contract and play for the league minimum. He doesn't need the money. But he needs to be paid to stroke his ego.

Tom Brady lives in this man's head rent free.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 07, 2021, 06:14:11 AM
Imagine people thinking rodgers isn't a child who holds massive grudges and needs to be the "best".

If he truly wanted to win with a team, he'd tear up his contract and play for the league minimum. He doesn't need the money. But he needs to be paid to stroke his ego.

Tom Brady lives in this man's head rent free.

Right, that's it!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2021, 07:18:47 AM
Imagine people thinking rodgers isn't a child who holds massive grudges and needs to be the "best".

If he truly wanted to win with a team, he'd tear up his contract and play for the league minimum. He doesn't need the money. But he needs to be paid to stroke his ego.

Tom Brady lives in this man's head rent free.

Aaron Rodgers will never be Tom Brady
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on May 07, 2021, 07:19:15 AM
I appreciate the many takes on McGinn. I read some of his general NFL stuff on The Athletic (such as his draft preview series) but I don't read much of what he writes about the Packers. It's hard for me to believe he knowingly writes untruths, because The Athletic is a very respected site and wouldn't abide by it, but maybe.

As for the Packers surviving Favre's departure serving as evidence that they could do it again, perhaps that's true. Perhaps Love is the next Favre or Rodgers.

But if one looks up the Packers' record in the decades between Starr and Favre and then again when Rodgers has been injured, it would suggest that people might be wise not to downplay the presence of a Hall of Fame QB under center.

Not having a hall of fame qb between Starr and Favre had little to do with the Packers futility in the 70’s and 80’s.  Poor management, coaching and drafting did.

An in-season injury is not the same as rebuilding and starting over. The Packers offense revolved around Rodgers during the McCarthy era, of course losing him to injury will make the team struggle. I hope Rodgers stays because it gives the Packers the best chance to win the Super bowl the next 2 to 3 years, but the reality is they are going to lose Rodgers to age sooner or later anyway. The team isn’t going to dissolve when it happens.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2021, 07:20:50 AM
Not having a hall of fame qb between Starr and Favre had little to do with the Packers futility in the 70’s and 80’s.  Poor management, coaching and drafting did.

An in-season injury is not the same as rebuilding and starting over. The Packers offense revolved around Rodgers during the McCarthy era, of course losing him to injury will make the team struggle. I hope Rodgers stays because it gives the Packers the best chance to win the Super bowl the next 2 to 3 years, but the reality is they are going to lose Rodgers to age sooner or later anyway. The team isn’t going to dissolve when it happens.

God bless, Bob Harlan
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on May 07, 2021, 07:31:09 AM
God bless, Bob Harlan

yeah for sure, I would throw in Wolf as well, but it was Harlan who made all that happen.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2021, 07:43:05 AM
yeah for sure, I would throw in Wolf as well, but it was Harlan who made all that happen.

I think most Packers fans understand the vital importance of Harlan resurrecting the franchise.  It’ll probably get lost as time marches on, that’s the nature of things.  I hope that’s not the case.

I read Ron Wolf’s book and his candid assessment of the team he inherited was jarring.  It was just an amazing accomplishment how they turned that around at that time
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 07, 2021, 07:48:45 AM
Not having a hall of fame qb between Starr and Favre had little to do with the Packers futility in the 70’s and 80’s.  Poor management, coaching and drafting did.

An in-season injury is not the same as rebuilding and starting over. The Packers offense revolved around Rodgers during the McCarthy era, of course losing him to injury will make the team struggle. I hope Rodgers stays because it gives the Packers the best chance to win the Super bowl the next 2 to 3 years, but the reality is they are going to lose Rodgers to age sooner or later anyway. The team isn’t going to dissolve when it happens.


Lynn Dickey is very much an underrated quarterback in Packer history.  Even after his injury that made a slow QB basically immobile, he could throw the ball all over.

But they could only do so much when you had Bart Starr not only as a middling head coach but a terrible personnel executive.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 07, 2021, 07:51:34 AM
Aaron Rodgers will never be Tom Brady

Thank god.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on May 07, 2021, 07:53:57 AM

Lynn Dickey is very much an underrated quarterback in Packer history.  Even after his injury that made a slow QB basically immobile, he could throw the ball all over.

But they could only do so much when you had Bart Starr not only as a middling head coach but a terrible personnel executive.
Back in the day you could beat the Pack, but you couldn't lick their Dickey.

Dickey was a really good under rated qb. Some of their offenses back then were Championship caliber with Lofton, Coffman, etc.  You are correct about coaching.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2021, 07:56:53 AM

Lynn Dickey is very much an underrated quarterback in Packer history.  Even after his injury that made a slow QB basically immobile, he could throw the ball all over.

But they could only do so much when you had Bart Starr not only as a middling head coach but a terrible personnel executive.

The ‘83 Packers scored 429 points, which was incredible for the time.  Sadly, they gave up 439
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 07, 2021, 07:57:39 AM

Lynn Dickey is very much an underrated quarterback in Packer history.  Even after his injury that made a slow QB basically immobile, he could throw the ball all over.

But they could only do so much when you had Bart Starr not only as a middling head coach but a terrible personnel executive.

I was going to say the same thing.  Very underrated.  If you go to https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DickLy00.htm you can check out his stats, and see who his career is comparable to.  Some folks might be surprised.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 07, 2021, 07:58:31 AM
The ‘83 Packers scored 429 points, which was incredible for the time.  Sadly, they gave up 439

Yeah, and Dickey threw for 4458 yards... that is insane for the time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2021, 08:00:18 AM
Yeah, and Dickey threw for 4458 yards... that is insane for the time.

That was such a fun offense.  Kind of a leaky o-line and pedestrian running game but they could sling it
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 07, 2021, 08:03:11 AM
Back in the day you could beat the Pack, but you couldn't lick their Dickey.

Dickey was a really good under rated qb. Some of their offenses back then were Championship caliber with Lofton, Coffman, etc.  You are correct about coaching.


I distinctly remember when they traded for John Jefferson thinking "THAT is the key to a championship." 

Too young to appreciate good defense at the time...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 07, 2021, 08:03:25 AM
That was such a fun offense.  Kind of a leaky o-line and pedestrian running game but they could sling it

Funny to think that Favre never threw for that many yards in a season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 07, 2021, 09:06:13 AM
Not having a hall of fame qb between Starr and Favre had little to do with the Packers futility in the 70’s and 80’s.  Poor management, coaching and drafting did.

An in-season injury is not the same as rebuilding and starting over. The Packers offense revolved around Rodgers during the McCarthy era, of course losing him to injury will make the team struggle. I hope Rodgers stays because it gives the Packers the best chance to win the Super bowl the next 2 to 3 years, but the reality is they are going to lose Rodgers to age sooner or later anyway. The team isn’t going to dissolve when it happens.

Yes, because I said the team would dissolve.


Lynn Dickey is very much an underrated quarterback in Packer history.  Even after his injury that made a slow QB basically immobile, he could throw the ball all over.

But they could only do so much when you had Bart Starr not only as a middling head coach but a terrible personnel executive.

Dickey was the Packers' QB when I was at Marquette, and those offenses were a blast to watch, with lots of talented skill players -- Jefferson, Lofton, Coffman, Ivery, Thompson, etc. Went to several games at County Stadium, and of course the Packers were on TV every week because they were the home team.

Folks like to call Favre a "gunslinger," and he was, but no moreso than Dickey, who threw the ball to anybody and everybody, regardless of the color of the jersey.

The 4,458-yard season folks talk about was incredible to watch ... but he also threw a league-high 29 INTs and had a league-high 6% interception percentage.

During his 9 years in GB, Dickey threw 133 TDs and 151 INTs.

So he might not have been the "reason" the Packers weren't any good, but those are not the kind of numbers a winning QB usually puts up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on May 07, 2021, 09:38:19 AM
Yes, because I said the team would dissolve.

Lol. Relax it was obviously hyperbole.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 07, 2021, 09:39:31 AM
Like Bradshaw, Dickey was an incredibly inefficient, barely above average QB. Bradshaw won because he had all-time great defenses. Dickey did not.

Basically, both guys were Jamie’s Winston. A ton of yards. A ton of turnovers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on May 07, 2021, 09:39:58 AM
The Packers will still play in the NFC North after Rodgers leaves, right?  As long as that's the case, they'll be fine.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on May 07, 2021, 10:15:56 AM
Like Bradshaw, Dickey was an incredibly inefficient, barely above average QB. Bradshaw won because he had all-time great defenses. Dickey did not.

Basically, both guys were Jamie’s Winston. A ton of yards. A ton of turnovers.

I'm not sure that's fair. It was a very different NFL back then, in which the rules were not geared toward protecting quarterbacks and giving receivers free reign through the secondary. You can't look at Bradshaw's stats - or any QB from that era - relative to anything from the last 30 years.

Other than his rookie and sophomore seasons - when the Steelers were dreadful and had nothing around him - Bradshaw never finished in the top 5 in INTs and had a few seasons in which his INT rate was among the lowest in the league. No, he wasn't the most efficient QB of his era, but by no means was he comparable to Jameis.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 07, 2021, 10:26:47 AM
I heard an interview this morning with Nagy. He called Justin Fields a "generational talent". Why do the Bears see QBs different than every other team?

Fields may be a bust. He may be All- Pro. But not one other team (or analyst) sees Fields as a generational QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 07, 2021, 10:31:35 AM
I'm not sure that's fair. It was a very different NFL back then, in which the rules were not geared toward protecting quarterbacks and giving receivers free reign through the secondary. You can't look at Bradshaw's stats - or any QB from that era - relative to anything from the last 30 years.

Other than his rookie and sophomore seasons - when the Steelers were dreadful and had nothing around him - Bradshaw never finished in the top 5 in INTs and had a few seasons in which his INT rate was among the lowest in the league. No, he wasn't the most efficient QB of his era, but by no means was he comparable to Jameis.

Bradshaw was NFL MVP and 2 time Super Bowl MVP despite supposedly being a “barely above average QB”.  So yea, different era.  Acting like he was a combo of Jameis Winston and Trent Dilfer is absurd revisionist bias
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on May 07, 2021, 10:32:46 AM
I heard an interview this morning with Nagy. He called Justin Fields a "generational talent". Why do the Bears see QBs different than every other team?

Fields may be a bust. He may be All- Pro. But not one other team (or analyst) sees Fields as a generational QB.

There are a bunch of reports that Urban Meyer really liked Fields and graded him out 2nd.  He was also in the mix for the Niners.  Just bc the Jets of all teams liked Wilson, doesn't mean Fields is a bust.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 07, 2021, 10:42:00 AM
There are a bunch of reports that Urban Meyer really liked Fields and graded him out 2nd.  He was also in the mix for the Niners.  Just bc the Jets of all teams liked Wilson, doesn't mean Fields is a bust.

Nagy was being hyperbolic to gas up his QB, his team, and the pick (and obviously make him and Pace look like geniuses), but save for Lawrence, Fields has been insanely hyped since he was 16 or so.  He was the MVP of the Elite11 camp going into his senior year.  He was the top recruit in the country by ESPN, and #2 behind Lawrence in Rivals and 247.  He was good in limited action as a freshman.  Then went to OSU and was fantastic his 2 years.  Until a bunch of nonsense during the season came up about him, he was the clear consensus #2 pick and if not for Lawrence being a prototype generational talent, Fields would have had the same sort of buzz all season.  He’s been highly touted for 5 years and backed it up every step of the way.  I think effusive praise for his ability and potential isn’t unmerited.  This isn’t a Trubisky 2.0 misread (at this stage of the game)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 07, 2021, 10:49:57 AM
Bradshaw was NFL MVP and 2 time Super Bowl MVP despite supposedly being a “barely above average QB”.  So yea, different era.  Acting like he was a combo of Jameis Winston and Trent Dilfer is absurd revisionist bias

Let me ask you this. How many Super Bowls would Bradshaw have won if he had the GB defense of the time playing in Pittsburgh?

One other thing. A great starting QB, in his 5th season, does not get beat out for the starting job by an 11th round draft pick like Joe Gilliam. Bradshaw himself said the only reason he got the starting job back was because Gilliam was so awful. "He gave me my job back," Bradshaw told sportscaster James Brown on a February 2000 edition of Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel on HBO. "It's not like I beat him out."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on May 07, 2021, 10:55:46 AM
Nagy was being hyperbolic to gas up his QB, his team, and the pick (and obviously make him and Pace look like geniuses), but save for Lawrence, Fields has been insanely hyped since he was 16 or so.  He was the MVP of the Elite11 camp going into his senior year.  He was the top recruit in the country by ESPN, and #2 behind Lawrence in Rivals and 247.  He was good in limited action as a freshman.  Then went to OSU and was fantastic his 2 years.  Until a bunch of nonsense during the season came up about him, he was the clear consensus #2 pick and if not for Lawrence being a prototype generational talent, Fields would have had the same sort of buzz all season.  He’s been highly touted for 5 years and backed it up every step of the way.  I think effusive praise for his ability and potential isn’t unmerited.  This isn’t a Trubisky 2.0 misread (at this stage of the game)

This seems perfectly reasonable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 07, 2021, 10:58:34 AM
Nagy was being hyperbolic to gas up his QB, his team, and the pick (and obviously make him and Pace look like geniuses), but save for Lawrence, Fields has been insanely hyped since he was 16 or so.  He was the MVP of the Elite11 camp going into his senior year.  He was the top recruit in the country by ESPN, and #2 behind Lawrence in Rivals and 247.  He was good in limited action as a freshman.  Then went to OSU and was fantastic his 2 years.  Until a bunch of nonsense during the season came up about him, he was the clear consensus #2 pick and if not for Lawrence being a prototype generational talent, Fields would have had the same sort of buzz all season.  He’s been highly touted for 5 years and backed it up every step of the way.  I think effusive praise for his ability and potential isn’t unmerited.  This isn’t a Trubisky 2.0 misread (at this stage of the game)

I'm not talking about hype. He called him a "generational talent". You know, like Manning, Luck, Lawrence. Why did no other team consider him to be that? And he was the consensus #2 pick only until other guys out-shone him during last season.

I am on record in this thread saying that Fields was a very good pick for the Bears. Their are strengths to his game that are really adaptable to the NFL. But there are also some weaknesses there as well. I realize it goes with the territory when drafting a QB in the 1st round, but people are really taking this too far.

Similar to what I said about Bradshaw - how will he respond when the best players on the field aren't all on his team?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 07, 2021, 11:00:00 AM
Nagy was being hyperbolic to gas up his QB, his team, and the pick (and obviously make him and Pace look like geniuses), but save for Lawrence, Fields has been insanely hyped since he was 16 or so.  He was the MVP of the Elite11 camp going into his senior year.  He was the top recruit in the country by ESPN, and #2 behind Lawrence in Rivals and 247.  He was good in limited action as a freshman.  Then went to OSU and was fantastic his 2 years.  Until a bunch of nonsense during the season came up about him, he was the clear consensus #2 pick and if not for Lawrence being a prototype generational talent, Fields would have had the same sort of buzz all season.  He’s been highly touted for 5 years and backed it up every step of the way.  I think effusive praise for his ability and potential isn’t unmerited.  This isn’t a Trubisky 2.0 misread (at this stage of the game)

Fields epilepsy certainly made his NFL worth drop.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on May 07, 2021, 11:12:34 AM
There are a bunch of reports that Urban Meyer really liked Fields and graded him out 2nd.  He was also in the mix for the Niners.  Just bc the Jets of all teams liked Wilson, doesn't mean Fields is a bust.

As much as I was surprised to see the McCaskeys allow Pace to splurge future assets again to move up for a QB, I think it's a move the Bears had to make. You're not winning consistently in the NFL without a really good QB (unless you're the 1970s Pittsburgh Steelers, which somehow managed four Super Bowls and eight consecutive playoff appearances with Jameis Winston behind center).
So, I'm not criticizing the pick, but I have noticed how Bears fans have willfully ignored some red flags with Fields.
Going into the year, he was seen as a lock for at least the #2 overall pick, and the only guy with a remote chance of unseating Lawrence for #1. Yet he somehow slides all the way down to #11, being passed over in favor of a one-year wonder (Wilson) and an FCS guy (Lance). Not only that, but other teams that could use a QB took a pass, most notably Carolina, who decided to roll with Sam Darnold on a two-year deal, and Denver, which chose the dynamic duo of Drew Lock and Teddy Bridgewater over Fields.
And outside the otherwordly performance against Clemson in the semis, Fields' play was pretty pedestrian - and often lacking - down the stretch last year. He was pretty bad against Indiana and Northwestern, and completely mediocre against an Alabama defense that had given up big days to the likes of Kyle Trask, Kellen Mond and Matt Corrall.

Fields could very well be the guy Bears fans think he will be, but given the track record of first-round QBs over the past 5-6 years and his slide in the draft, it's been interesting to see his franchise status viewed as fait accompli in Chicago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 07, 2021, 11:35:22 AM
Let me ask you this. How many Super Bowls would Bradshaw have won if he had the GB defense of the time playing in Pittsburgh?

One other thing. A great starting QB, in his 5th season, does not get beat out for the starting job by an 11th round draft pick like Joe Gilliam. Bradshaw himself said the only reason he got the starting job back was because Gilliam was so awful. "He gave me my job back," Bradshaw told sportscaster James Brown on a February 2000 edition of Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel on HBO. "It's not like I beat him out."

Bradshaw wasn’t a great QB at that time.  Nobody would say that and he wouldn’t be held in esteem with those numbers ever if his team was undefeated.  His numbers markedly changed in 1975 and after.  Not team success, Bradshaw as a player.  If we are burying a player cause they had a rough start to their career, might as well write off anyone who wasn’t a Pro Bowler by 25.

And crazy as it sounds, Bradshaw could be a good QB AND be aided by a great defense.  It doesn’t have to be one of the other.  Patriots had incredible defenses that Brady won to plenty of victories over his career.

I'm not talking about hype. He called him a "generational talent". You know, like Manning, Luck, Lawrence. Why did no other team consider him to be that? And he was the consensus #2 pick only until other guys out-shone him during last season.

I am on record in this thread saying that Fields was a very good pick for the Bears. Their are strengths to his game that are really adaptable to the NFL. But there are also some weaknesses there as well. I realize it goes with the territory when drafting a QB in the 1st round, but people are really taking this too far.

Nobody “outshone” him.  Trey Lance didn’t play this year.  Zach Wilson put up big numbers against cupcakes and then struggled in their loss to the only good team they played.  The only team that had Wilson as a top 5 pick was the Jets.

Fields had an very good year for most any QB.  A bad game or two in a weird COVID year isn’t concern worthy.  Hell, Lawrence was pretty mediocre against VT late in the year.  Fields outplayed Lawrence and was otherworldly in the CFP semi.  The epilepsy may have made teams hesitate.

Nobody is calling him a generational talent other than Nagy, for the reasons I mentioned. People are justifiably excited about a QB for the reasons I mentioned after what happened with Trubisky. 

And outside the otherwordly performance against Clemson in the semis, Fields' play was pretty pedestrian - and often lacking - down the stretch last year. He was pretty bad against Indiana and Northwestern, and completely mediocre against an Alabama defense that had given up big days to the likes of Kyle Trask, Kellen Mond and Matt Corrall.

Fields could very well be the guy Bears fans think he will be, but given the track record of first-round QBs over the past 5-6 years and his slide in the draft, it's been interesting to see his franchise status viewed as fait accompli in Chicago.

He was bad against Indiana, then came back and had a great game against MSU.  And I don’t know how Clemson gets downplayed to talk about NW, a game they still won.

Fields was fine in the first half against Bama, and I didn’t matter a bit cause they couldn’t stop them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on May 07, 2021, 12:05:27 PM
https://twitter.com/Johnathan_Wood1/status/1387950405200629766?s=19

Did you guys think Rodgers draft slide was a negative?

Are there no weaknesses with any of the other first round QBs?



Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 07, 2021, 12:38:53 PM
https://twitter.com/Johnathan_Wood1/status/1387950405200629766?s=19

Did you guys think Rodgers draft slide was a negative?

Are there no weaknesses with any of the other first round QBs?

Bears fans aren’t allowed to be excited about a QB because the last time they picked one in the first round he was awful.  Thus, any QB they pick must also be awful or overrated.  Dissecting some silly coach speak from Nagy before anything has happened with training or mini camps or games is just looking to take shots.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 07, 2021, 12:44:29 PM

Nobody “outshone” him.  Trey Lance didn’t play this year.  Zach Wilson put up big numbers against cupcakes and then struggled in their loss to the only good team they played.  The only team that had Wilson as a top 5 pick was the Jets.


I love these discussions - whether football or baseball.

It seems as though you are making my argument for me. Lance has played fewer games than Trubisky and was drafted ahead of Fields. I disagree on Wilson - he was going to be drafted #2 no matter who had the pick.

In essence, you are saying how bad guys drafted ahead of him were. Also, as someone said, numerous QB-desperate teams passed on him. But, while I agree with what the Bears did, he is far from a sure thing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 07, 2021, 12:53:22 PM
https://twitter.com/Johnathan_Wood1/status/1387950405200629766?s=19

Did you guys think Rodgers draft slide was a negative?

Are there no weaknesses with any of the other first round QBs?



The Aaron Rodgers slide was something, but he was still the second quarterback taken.

I think the Fields pick was a god one.  I think the Wilson pick was a terrible one - reminds me a lot of the Trubisky one. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 07, 2021, 01:05:53 PM
I love these discussions - whether football or baseball.

It seems as though you are making my argument for me. Lance has played fewer games than Trubisky and was drafted ahead of Fields. I disagree on Wilson - he was going to be drafted #2 no matter who had the pick.

In essence, you are saying how bad guys drafted ahead of him were. Also, as someone said, numerous QB-desperate teams passed on him. But, while I agree with what the Bears did, he is far from a sure thing.

I thought you meant “out shone” as in performed better this year than Fields.  Cause in that interpretation, it’s just not true.

If we’re comparing like for like, Lance started more games than Trubisky (16-13) and as a starter won the FCS’s version of a Heisman.  Trubisky was 3rd team All ACC that year.

And it has nothing to do with “how bad” anyone was.  I think Lance is very talented.  Wilson has a cannon and I love how he plays.  Neither put up 6 TDs against a team like Clemson.  Neither had the spotlight that Fields has had on him for the last 5 years.  Neither was offensive player of the year in the B10 back to back years. 

No QB is a sure thing.  Lawrence is the best prospect at QB since Luck depending on who you ask, but he could very easily be a mess on a bad Jacksonville team with a new coach. Fields could struggle immensely and I have worries about the line protecting him.

But the idea that he is suddenly some immensely flawed risky pick with all these red flags which is why he dropped and it’s silly for Bears fans to be extremely excited about him is ridiculous.  NFL teams fall in love with prospects for various reasons.  Deshaun Watson was talked about as a top 3 pick for much of the year leading up to 2017. He fell to 12 with plenty of QB needy teams like SF, the Jets, the damn Bears, passing on him.  It happens.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 07, 2021, 01:36:21 PM
I think we are probably agreeing 90% here.

But the 10% is a lot more fun to discuss.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 07, 2021, 01:46:18 PM
I'm not sure that's fair. It was a very different NFL back then, in which the rules were not geared toward protecting quarterbacks and giving receivers free reign through the secondary. You can't look at Bradshaw's stats - or any QB from that era - relative to anything from the last 30 years.

Other than his rookie and sophomore seasons - when the Steelers were dreadful and had nothing around him - Bradshaw never finished in the top 5 in INTs and had a few seasons in which his INT rate was among the lowest in the league. No, he wasn't the most efficient QB of his era, but by no means was he comparable to Jameis.

I agree with this. It was more difficult to play QB (and WR) back then.

Bradshaw also was much better than Dickey, which should be pretty obvious. Results matter.

There was not as big an emphasis on having a high completion percentage back then. There was a lot less dinkin' and dunkin'. QBs took more chances. Passer ratings were a lot lower. So I get it.

But in 1980, while Dickey was throwing 15 TD passes and 25 INTs, Sipe was going 30-14, Jaworski 27-12, Ferragamo 30-19, Bartkowski 31-16, Montana 15-9, Fouts 30-24, Danielson 13-11, Manning 23-20, White 28-25, Jones 23-21, Theismann 17-16, Bradshaw 24-22, Ferguson 20-18, Plunkett 18-16, and Doug Williams 20-16.

So it's not like everybody was out there throwing 10 more INTs than TDs. 12 QBs were sacked on a higher percentage of dropbacks that season, too, including several named in the preceding paragraph. Dickey's offense included Lofton, Thompson, Coffman and Ivery, so it wasn't as if he lacked weapons.

I am NOT saying Dickey was the worst QB ever. He was decent to good for his era, and he had a couple big seasons. He was fun to watch and he played for some struggling teams. I am saying he threw far more INTs than TDs in his career (141-179 including his time in Houston, 133-151 with the Pack), and he didn't lift his team to victory very often (45-63-3 as a starter).

He wasn't Jameis Winston. But he wasn't even a cheap imitation of Favre or Rodgers IMHO.

I stand by my statement: The Packers have not done much winning the past 50+ years when the QB has not been named Favre or Rodgers. I mean, it's just a fact.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 07, 2021, 02:37:10 PM
I agree with this. It was more difficult to play QB (and WR) back then.

Bradshaw also was much better than Dickey, which should be pretty obvious. Results matter.

There was not as big an emphasis on having a high completion percentage back then. There was a lot less dinkin' and dunkin'. QBs took more chances. Passer ratings were a lot lower. So I get it.

But in 1980, while Dickey was throwing 15 TD passes and 25 INTs, Sipe was going 30-14, Jaworski 27-12, Ferragamo 30-19, Bartkowski 31-16, Montana 15-9, Fouts 30-24, Danielson 13-11, Manning 23-20, White 28-25, Jones 23-21, Theismann 17-16, Bradshaw 24-22, Ferguson 20-18, Plunkett 18-16, and Doug Williams 20-16.

So it's not like everybody was out there throwing 10 more INTs than TDs. 12 QBs were sacked on a higher percentage of dropbacks that season, too, including several named in the preceding paragraph. Dickey's offense included Lofton, Thompson, Coffman and Ivery, so it wasn't as if he lacked weapons.

I am NOT saying Dickey was the worst QB ever. He was decent to good for his era, and he had a couple big seasons. He was fun to watch and he played for some struggling teams. I am saying he threw far more INTs than TDs in his career (141-179 including his time in Houston, 133-151 with the Pack), and he didn't lift his team to victory very often (45-63-3 as a starter).

He wasn't Jameis Winston. But he wasn't even a cheap imitation of Favre or Rodgers IMHO.

I stand by my statement: The Packers have not done much winning the past 50+ years when the QB has not been named Favre or Rodgers. I mean, it's just a fact.

To further the point.  I look just cause I was curious when talking about Bradshaw and different eras.  Bart Starr, who I wouldn’t think would be deemed average or Winston caliber, was a second team All Pro, Pro Bowl leader of championship winning teams in 1961 and 1962.  Over those two seasons, he had a completion percentage of 60% and 28 TDs to 25 INTs.  And those were his two best seasons outside of his MVP year in 66. 

Also for fun, Starr was brought along slowly while Bradshaw was thrown to the wolves as the first overall pick on some bad Steelers teams.  But both of them, first 4 seasons of getting regular action...

Starr: 21 TDs, 37 INTs, 52% completion percentage

Bradshaw: 41 TDs, 73 INTs, 49% completion percentage

Bradshaw had another rocky year before making his first Pro Bowl and becoming a HOF QB.  Starr turned it around once he became the starter.  Bradshaw couldn’t beat out Gilliam while Starr INT Italy couldn’t beat out a guy who went to be a backup and another who went to the CFL.  Almost like the first few years of a career aren’t enough to decide if someone is great or not  8-)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on May 07, 2021, 02:41:28 PM

The Aaron Rodgers slide was something, but he was still the second quarterback taken.

I think the Fields pick was a good one.  I think the Wilson pick was a terrible one - reminds me a lot of the Trubisky one.

As a reminder, Mitch is the highest rated passer in Bears history. Higher than the great Sid Luckman. 

Mitch wasn't that terrible. Fields has a low bar to exceed our modest expectations. History says elsewise.

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/chicago-bears/leaders/career-passing-yards
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 07, 2021, 02:59:25 PM
To further the point.  I look just cause I was curious when talking about Bradshaw and different eras.  Bart Starr, who I wouldn’t think would be deemed average or Winston caliber, was a second team All Pro, Pro Bowl leader of championship winning teams in 1961 and 1962.  Over those two seasons, he had a completion percentage of 60% and 28 TDs to 25 INTs.  And those were his two best seasons outside of his MVP year in 66. 

Also for fun, Starr was brought along slowly while Bradshaw was thrown to the wolves as the first overall pick on some bad Steelers teams.  But both of them, first 4 seasons of getting regular action...

Starr: 21 TDs, 37 INTs, 52% completion percentage

Bradshaw: 41 TDs, 73 INTs, 49% completion percentage

Bradshaw had another rocky year before making his first Pro Bowl and becoming a HOF QB.  Starr turned it around once he became the starter.  Bradshaw couldn’t beat out Gilliam while Starr INT Italy couldn’t beat out a guy who went to be a backup and another who went to the CFL.  Almost like the first few years of a career aren’t enough to decide if someone is great or not  8-)

Totally hear you. Different eras.

Dickey wasn't great in his own era, and he certainly wasn't an equivalent to Favre or Rodgers, who would be great in any era.

These days, most teams can't afford to let their QB learn for a year or two. Frying pan, meet fire. It's a tough way to work it. Very few QBs can handle it. Many recover to have good (or even great) careers. But many are ruined forever.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 07, 2021, 03:06:48 PM
As a reminder, Mitch is the highest rated passer in Bears history. Higher than the great Sid Luckman. 

Mitch wasn't that terrible. Fields has a low bar to exceed our modest expectations. History says elsewise.

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/chicago-bears/leaders/career-passing-yards


Mitch was pretty bad.  He finished in the lower third of the NFL in passing rating and a number of other stats the last couple of years.  He couldn't get the ball downfield with any accuracy and managed to throw interceptions seemingly during the worst part of the game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on May 07, 2021, 03:23:07 PM

Mitch was pretty bad.  He finished in the lower third of the NFL in passing rating and a number of other stats the last couple of years.  He couldn't get the ball downfield with any accuracy and managed to throw interceptions seemingly during the worst part of the game.

Yep.  It would be the same way that a middling Celtic player like Eddie House has far more 3s made than Larry Bird, the game changed and became more favorable to that shot.

Trubisky had an 83 passer rating with an average completion of 6 yards in 2019.  That is horrible in todays NFL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on May 07, 2021, 03:36:35 PM
Are there no weaknesses with any of the other first round QBs?

Definitely. That's part of the reason Fields' slide is a concern. At least four teams with a need for a long-term QB (and one could arguably throw in the Falcons as a fifth) said "Thanks, but no thanks" to drafting Fields. Two of those teams took far less accomplished QBs instead. Two chose to roll with middling (or worse) quarterbacks instead.

Again, that DOES NOT mean Fields will be bad or it was a bad pick. I think it's a pick they had to make.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on May 07, 2021, 04:15:07 PM
Definitely. That's part of the reason Fields' slide is a concern. At least four teams with a need for a long-term QB (and one could arguably throw in the Falcons as a fifth) said "Thanks, but no thanks" to drafting Fields. Two of those teams took far less accomplished QBs instead. Two chose to roll with middling (or worse) quarterbacks instead.

Again, that DOES NOT mean Fields will be bad or it was a bad pick. I think it's a pick they had to make.

Did you have this same impression of Pack taking Rodgers after an even bigger slide?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 07, 2021, 04:44:31 PM
Did you have this same impression of Pack taking Rodgers after an even bigger slide?

Again Rodgers was still the second quarterback taken.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 07, 2021, 05:30:56 PM
Shannon and Skip mentioning Terry Bradshaw in their discussion of Aaron on Undisputed today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO92Vpw4L5g
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 07, 2021, 05:45:22 PM
Here’s my thoughts on drafting QBs.  I think environment matters when it comes to whether a QB is successful  enough or reaches their potential. I think Zach Wilson has a better chance to succeed with Robert Saleh and Mike LaFleur than he would have had Adam Gase still been there.  I think Justin Fields will have to overcome a potentially desperate situation that may stunt his growth.

Some are naturally gifted enough to change the fortunes of a franchise.  Guys like Manning come to mind.  Indianapolis was not a good franchise before Manning got there. 

Would Mahomes have had the success he’s had playing for the Bears and Matt Nagy as he did with the Chiefs and Andy Reid?  Probably but I think a reasonable argument can be made that might not have been the case.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on May 07, 2021, 06:32:47 PM
I actually tend to think Fields has a pretty high floor - I think it's probably at or north of where Trubisky's ceiling was.

The question is whether he can overcome any shortcomings in staffing around him to actually win. Feels like his ceiling is Deshaun Watson, who was putting up stupid numbers but couldn't overcome the lack of talent around him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 07, 2021, 09:11:53 PM
Hologren Blames Packers

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/former-green-bay-coach-mike-holmgren-blames-packers-for-current-situation-with-aaron-rodgers/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on May 07, 2021, 09:15:49 PM
Here’s my thoughts on drafting QBs.  I think environment matters when it comes to whether a QB is successful  enough or reaches their potential. I think Zach Wilson has a better chance to succeed with Robert Saleh and Mike LaFleur than he would have had Adam Gase still been there.  I think Justin Fields will have to overcome a potentially desperate situation that may stunt his growth.

Some are naturally gifted enough to change the fortunes of a franchise.  Guys like Manning come to mind.  Indianapolis was not a good franchise before Manning got there. 

Would Mahomes have had the success he’s had playing for the Bears and Matt Nagy as he did with the Chiefs and Andy Reid?  Probably but I think a reasonable argument can be made that might not have been the case.

Spot on rico
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 07, 2021, 09:17:09 PM
I won’t quote anyone from this thread, only because I think a lot of people have made great points and I don’t want to leave anyone out. Really good football discussion from everyone, I love it.

I’m on record as a definite “wait and see” guy on Fields. I never thought the Bears would get him, but during the past college season I found myself watching a lot of OSU games to get a better read on Fields because I kept changing my mind on his pro prospects. Maybe it’s my cynical nature as a Bears fan, I thought it was a tad too much to give up, but I agree at that point in the draft they had to do it. I remember watching specifically the IU game and thinking “ugh, that’s not good” more often than not. Small sample size in that regard though.

I want him to be good, the Bears need him to be good, I just have no idea. I think his ceiling is potentially high, but if someone said he’s going to be a bust and gave reasons why, no argument from me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on May 07, 2021, 09:18:36 PM
Again Rodgers was still the second quarterback taken.

So a slide down the draft is less important than which spot they are taken relative to position?

I'm just trying to understand all the nuance and factors at play.

Ultimately, it seems like most people are hung up on the fact that Nagy (moron that he seems) called Fields a generational talent. And the fact that it's the Bears.

Otherwise seems like a disingenuous argument.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 07, 2021, 10:27:20 PM


Similar to what I said about Bradshaw - how will he respond when the best players on the field aren't all on his team?

Jockey

Fields was 22-28 for 385 yards and 6TDs vs Clemson. He also ran for one TD. Don’t think the best players on the field were all on his team in that game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on May 07, 2021, 10:48:03 PM
So a slide down the draft is less important than which spot they are taken relative to position?

I'm just trying to understand all the nuance and factors at play.

Ultimately, it seems like most people are hung up on the fact that Nagy (moron that he seems) called Fields a generational talent. And the fact that it's the Bears.

Otherwise seems like a disingenuous argument.

I'm struggling to understand why you think Rodgers' slide is relevant.  The reasons and circumstances were completely different.
But if you insist on comparing QB slides, why not Brady Quinn? Or Johnny Manziel? Or Geno Smith? Or Jimmy Clausen?

I also don't understand why Bears fans are getting offended here. Nobody has said Fields was a bad pick or will be a bad player. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on May 08, 2021, 06:21:22 AM
I'm struggling to understand why you think Rodgers' slide is relevant.  The reasons and circumstances were completely different.
But if you insist on comparing QB slides, why not Brady Quinn? Or Johnny Manziel? Or Geno Smith? Or Jimmy Clausen?

I also don't understand why Bears fans are getting offended here. Nobody has said Fields was a bad pick or will be a bad player.

I guess I'm struggling to understand why Fields' slide is a reflection on Fields and not perhaps a reflection on teams drafting poorly (those who didn't pick him 1-10).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on May 08, 2021, 10:11:27 AM
I guess I'm struggling to understand why Fields' slide is a reflection on Fields and not perhaps a reflection on teams drafting poorly (those who didn't pick him 1-10).

And it may very well be that those other teams are wrong. Again, nobody here has said otherwise. Just pointing out the reasons to pump the brakes a little before crowning the kid as probably the best QB in Bears history (as literally has been done on the airwaves in Chicago).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 08, 2021, 11:39:37 AM
https://nypost.com/2021/05/06/giants-spoiled-packers-nfl-draft-plan-with-aaron-rodgers-trouble-brewing/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on May 08, 2021, 11:49:07 AM
And it may very well be that those other teams are wrong. Again, nobody here has said otherwise. Just pointing out the reasons to pump the brakes a little before crowning the kid as probably the best QB in Bears history (as literally has been done on the airwaves in Chicago).

People here have definitely said/implied the Bears are the dumb party here for drafting Fields.

Ultimately, I agree with you.

There's a large contingent of meatball Bears fans that do the same with any player/coach/etc. And Nagy saying stupid crap doesn't help the situation.

Let Fields learn/grow and see what we've got. No need to put cart before the horse.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 08, 2021, 01:34:35 PM
Jockey

Fields was 22-28 for 385 yards and 6TDs vs Clemson. He also ran for one TD. Don’t think the best players on the field were all on his team in that game.

Justin Fields was 12/27 for 114 yards and 0 TDs with 2 Ints. against Northwestern. I think almost all of the best players on the field were all on his team in that game.

Easy to cherry pick Lenny.  ;)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 08, 2021, 01:37:43 PM
People here have definitely said/implied the Bears are the dumb party here for drafting Fields.

Ultimately, I agree with you.

There's a large contingent of meatball Bears fans that do the same with any player/coach/etc. And Nagy saying stupid crap doesn't help the situation.

Let Fields learn/grow and see what we've got. No need to put cart before the horse.


Some people know a lot, but are terrible teachers. Do you think Nagy fits that description? So far, I believe he has.

That's why I liked Carolina's move for Darnold. Getting away from Gase should be good for any QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on May 08, 2021, 03:13:06 PM

Some people know a lot, but are terrible teachers. Do you think Nagy fits that description? So far, I believe he has.

That's why I liked Carolina's move for Darnold. Getting away from Gase should be good for any QB.

Thus far, Nagy hasn't shown me he's any good as a playcaller/schemer. Which was purported to be his specialty
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 08, 2021, 03:19:20 PM
Justin Fields was 12/27 for 114 yards and 0 TDs with 2 Ints. against Northwestern. I think almost all of the best players on the field were all on his team in that game.

Easy to cherry pick Lenny.  ;)


This was not your father's Wildcat team. NU was damn good, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 08, 2021, 06:02:02 PM
Thus far, Nagy hasn't shown me he's any good as a playcaller/schemer. Which was purported to be his specialty


To follow up on what we've said - this is from an Athletic article.

NFL execs lauded the Bears’ selection of Justin Fields while doubting whether the coaching staff and organization could set up the Ohio State quarterback for success. Some who questioned the current staff also worried that a coaching change after another year or two could complicate a young quarterback’s development.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on May 08, 2021, 06:46:10 PM

To follow up on what we've said - this is from an Athletic article.

NFL execs lauded the Bears’ selection of Justin Fields while doubting whether the coaching staff and organization could set up the Ohio State quarterback for success. Some who questioned the current staff also worried that a coaching change after another year or two could complicate a young quarterback’s development.

Yup. Pretty much the bears MO over the last couple decades
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 08, 2021, 09:30:40 PM
Justin Fields was 12/27 for 114 yards and 0 TDs with 2 Ints. against Northwestern. I think almost all of the best players on the field were all on his team in that game.

Easy to cherry pick Lenny.  ;)

Except if you watched Northwestern at all last season that had a top-5 defense in the country and their game plan was to take Justin Fields out and make someone else beat them.

There’s obviously no guarantee with Fields, but just because the school name is Northwestern doesn’t mean that defense wasn’t stacked.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on May 08, 2021, 09:40:46 PM
Except if you watched Northwestern at all last season that had a top-5 defense in the country and their game plan was to take Justin Fields out and make someone else beat them.

There’s obviously no guarantee with Fields, but just because the school name is Northwestern doesn’t mean that defense wasn’t stacked.

NU's defense was solid last year, but ranked 22nd in the nation, not top 5.
Bo Nix, who sucks, was far better against them than Fields.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on May 08, 2021, 10:13:20 PM
Justin Fields was 12/27 for 114 yards and 0 TDs with 2 Ints. against Northwestern. I think almost all of the best players on the field were all on his team in that game.

Easy to cherry pick Lenny.  ;)

True. But I never said he didn’t play in a lot of games where all or most of the best players on the field were on his team. I just pointed out 1 very large exception to never/always statement.

What about Alabama? Will those 6 first rounders struggle? After all, they’re the one team for whom your assertion (all best players on the field were on their team) is nearly literally true.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 09, 2021, 06:33:43 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/05/08/nfl-power-rankings-where-all-32-teams-stand-after-nfl-draft/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 10, 2021, 08:54:17 AM
Is Scoop being used as a source here? Also, please ignore the fact it’s a Notre Dame site. I saw this article on my Facebook. I do not read a fan site of a school that so clearly sucks.

https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Article/Chicago-Bears-seriously-considering-leaving-Soldier-Field-Arlington-Heights-Mayor-Tom-Hayes-Justin-Fields-Matt-Nagy-165147803/?fbclid=IwAR3vfvkzhSiEuaWQgdjBxkd5NJb7d3am6mxEoLG7TKDCu6KeygI3fQrlnRM
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 10, 2021, 05:52:13 PM
Jags closer to signing Tebow....

https://www.denverpost.com/2021/05/10/tim-tebow-urban-meyer-jaguars/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 10, 2021, 10:36:44 PM
Tampa Bay having no problem with QB hierarchy . They just signed their back up , Blaine Gabbert and drafted Kyle Trask as a long term project . Everyone getting along well .

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Tampa-Bay-Buccaneers-re-sign-Blaine-Gabbert-one-year-deal-Kyle-Trask-Tom-Brady-165239183/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 11, 2021, 07:20:26 PM
Bucs have a different approach than Packers in dealing with their QB strategic relations
https://www.masslive.com/sports/2021/05/tom-brady-played-huge-role-in-buccaneers-retaining-free-agents-because-hes-a-priceless-leader-per-gm-jason-licht.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 11, 2021, 10:47:17 PM
Bucs have a different approach than Packers in dealing with their QB strategic relations
https://www.masslive.com/sports/2021/05/tom-brady-played-huge-role-in-buccaneers-retaining-free-agents-because-hes-a-priceless-leader-per-gm-jason-licht.html

Gutey has shown nothing but a lack of respect to Rodgers. I mean even the Queens called Cousins and gave him a heads up that they were gonna draft a QB in the 3rd round.

The only good thing is that if Rodgers walks, Gutey will be gone in 2 years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 12, 2021, 08:07:32 AM
Gutey has done largely just fine.  Obviously should have communicated with Rodgers better, but I have no idea why you have it out for him so much.  The team has improved with him as GM from when it bottomed out at the end of the Thompson era.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on May 12, 2021, 08:40:13 AM
Bucs have a different approach than Packers in dealing with their QB strategic relations
https://www.masslive.com/sports/2021/05/tom-brady-played-huge-role-in-buccaneers-retaining-free-agents-because-hes-a-priceless-leader-per-gm-jason-licht.html

Merits of the Pack/Gutey/12 communication mess aside, the ONLY reason we're hearing about the Vikings briefing players on potential picks, Brady talking to FAs, etc. is because of the situation in GB. It's trolling, which is fine, and if I were the Vikings and the only hope I had to win the division was to troll 12 out of the North, I'd give it a shot too. But let's not pretend that all this is something it's not.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 12, 2021, 08:43:46 AM
Gutey has shown nothing but a lack of respect to Rodgers. I mean even the Queens called Cousins and gave him a heads up that they were gonna draft a QB in the 3rd round.

The only good thing is that if Rodgers walks, Gutey will be gone in 2 years.

Gutey’s length of tenure is going to be tied to the transition from Rodgers to Love or another QB. Which is pretty consistent for any GM (other than maybe the Bears).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 12, 2021, 08:45:53 AM
Gutey’s length of tenure is going to be tied to the transition from Rodgers to Love or another QB. Which is pretty consistent for any GM (other than maybe the Bears).


Yep.  As I said, if Love is a success, then Gutey made a fine choice.  If he isn't, then he will be gone.  Just like Wolf when he traded a #1 for Favre and just like Thompson when he drafted Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 12, 2021, 08:52:21 AM

Yep.  As I said, if Love is a success, then Gutey made a fine choice.  If he isn't, then he will be gone.  Just like Wolf when he traded a #1 for Favre and just like Thompson when he drafted Rodgers.

Exactly. I think Gutey has so far shown he’s good at building a team. We have been to the NFC Championship the last two years.

I’m optimistic with a QB on a rookie deal, he could build a really good team that doesn’t depend on the QB being a HOF.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 12, 2021, 11:49:35 AM
Exactly. I think Gutey has so far shown he’s good at building a team. We have been to the NFC Championship the last two years.

I’m optimistic with a QB on a rookie deal, he could build a really good team that doesn’t depend on the QB being a HOF.

I hope you are right, Cheebs. But, I still say that if Rodgers leaves (personally, I don't think he will), we will be fighting with Chicago and Detroit for 3rd and 4th place.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 12, 2021, 02:09:35 PM
I’m quite frankly shocked by how many prime appearances the Bears are getting for the 2021 season. Multiple SNF & MNF games as well as Thanksgiving.

I know people are excited for Fields, but this can easily be a 4-12 squad this upcoming season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 12, 2021, 02:12:46 PM
I’m quite frankly shocked by how many prime appearances the Bears are getting for the 2021 season. Multiple SNF & MNF games as well as Thanksgiving.

I know people are excited for Fields, but this can easily be a 4-12 squad this upcoming season.

That Packers-Bears matchup in Week 14 could be ugly if Rodgers is playing elsewhere.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on May 12, 2021, 02:16:20 PM
I’m quite frankly shocked by how many prime appearances the Bears are getting for the 2021 season. Multiple SNF & MNF games as well as Thanksgiving.

I know people are excited for Fields, but this can easily be a 4-12 squad this upcoming season.


With two of the wins being the Lions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 12, 2021, 02:39:27 PM
I’m quite frankly shocked by how many prime appearances the Bears are getting for the 2021 season. Multiple SNF & MNF games as well as Thanksgiving.

I know people are excited for Fields, but this can easily be a 4-12 squad this upcoming season.

Sorry, 4-13 squad. That extra game is going to take getting used to win it comes to records/win totals.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on May 12, 2021, 02:46:55 PM
I’m quite frankly shocked by how many prime appearances the Bears are getting for the 2021 season. Multiple SNF & MNF games as well as Thanksgiving.

I know people are excited for Fields, but this can easily be a 4-12 squad this upcoming season.

Ratings > Record
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on May 12, 2021, 04:00:44 PM
Lions first round pick tests positive for COVID. 
 

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2021/05/12/detroit-lions-penei-sewell-covid-19/5061041001/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on May 12, 2021, 04:37:55 PM
Packers signing Bortles. Who needs Aaron?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BrewCity83 on May 12, 2021, 04:45:53 PM
Packers signing Bortles. Who needs Aaron?

The Pack wanted a veteran backup anyway.  A contender can't go through an NFL season with only 2 QBs on the roster.  Aaron will be back.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 12, 2021, 04:52:29 PM
Panthers will open at home against the Jets - Darnold against his former team. If the NFL really wanted to be clever, they would have put the game in Joisey.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on May 12, 2021, 05:15:56 PM
The Pack wanted a veteran backup anyway.  A contender can't go through an NFL season with only 2 QBs on the roster.  Aaron will be back.

Bortles can lose just as well as Rodgers in a conference championship game, so it’s a wash really
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 12, 2021, 06:25:32 PM
Bortle Kombat!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on May 12, 2021, 08:39:57 PM
That was a stupid insinuation then and still is one now, that Bradshaw, however, has always had the self awareness to play into.  He’s never taken himself too seriously, something old ARod could learn from.

He also was a consummate leader who butted heads with Noll constantly but remained professional and successful, and multiple times fought to keep his spot when the Steelers brought in other QBs.

Bradshaw has been also wildly successful off because he’s warm and affable and funny and charming.   He’s basically the anti-Rodgers

Wait, what? TB?

“I wasn’t that close to any of my teammates. I didn’t find anyone to become a best friend. We don’t stay in touch. They’re all over the country, but I do not want to stay in touch.” -Terry Bradshaw

Skipped Art Rooney’s funeral. Skipped Chuck Knoll’s funeral. Asked someone he didn’t know well, and didn’t know for two years to induct him into the NFL HOF. He had it written into his broadcasting contract that he didn’t have to do Steelers games. He avoided Pittsburgh for 20 years after he retired. He has feuded with players, coaches, admin, fans there, past and present. Former Steelers head of PR Joe Gordon called Bradshaw, “the most selfish person I have ever seen.” He’s been involved in more (same team) feuds than Richard Dawson. Multiple times when a player or coach has had to reschedule an interview with him while he was a broadcaster, he went on “Don’t you know who I am” tirades.” (I was there for a few of them)

TB was a HOF player for his big play in big moments more than stats. It shows that one doesn’t have to be friends with other players, team, fans to win, and be successful.

Curious example choice in the Aaron Rodgers discussion.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on May 12, 2021, 09:22:58 PM
Ratings > Record

I don’t disagree of course, I would have thought if the Bears were going to get prime coverage, it would have been front loaded in Weeks 1-8. They have a six game stretch weeks 9-15 (not including their bye week), where four of those weeks, they will be the only game on. Heck, Week 7 they’ll be the Nantz/Romo game too.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 13, 2021, 07:47:27 AM
NFL on CBS Sports is promoting Blake Bortles....

https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLonCBS/status/1392597519759286274

https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLonCBS/status/1392595771569094656
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 13, 2021, 08:47:45 AM
NFL on CBS Sports is promoting Blake Bortles....

https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLonCBS/status/1392597519759286274

https://mobile.twitter.com/NFLonCBS/status/1392595771569094656

Winning Blake of the Year in 2018 carries a lot of weight.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on May 14, 2021, 03:42:11 PM
Bears keeping everything really quiet in regards to the rookie mini-camp. Apparently reporters are super limited in what they can say and aren't allowed to tweet out pictures or videos.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on May 14, 2021, 06:15:59 PM
Bears keeping everything really quiet in regards to the rookie mini-camp. Apparently reporters are super limited in what they can say and aren't allowed to tweet out pictures or videos.

Much like the white house is treating the press corps
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 17, 2021, 08:52:59 AM
A theoretical Packers Giants trade scenario

https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/05/imagining-a-giants-packers-aaron-rodgers-trade-blockbuster.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 17, 2021, 09:21:01 AM
A theoretical Packers Giants trade scenario

https://www.nj.com/giants/2021/05/imagining-a-giants-packers-aaron-rodgers-trade-blockbuster.html

3 first round picks would be interesting. Not sure you’d go after Jones if you think Love is the guy. I’d imagine if the Packers would go with Love, they’d sign a guy like Flacco. Non-threatening veteran.

Would continue the legacy of trading our disgruntled HOF QB to New York.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 17, 2021, 11:37:25 AM
3 first round picks would be interesting. Not sure you’d go after Jones if you think Love is the guy. I’d imagine if the Packers would go with Love, they’d sign a guy like Flacco. Non-threatening veteran.

Would continue the legacy of trading our disgruntled HOF QB to New York.

Gotta remember that all of those 1st rounders would be in the 25-32 range.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on May 17, 2021, 11:49:06 AM
Gotta remember that all of those 1st rounders would be in the 25-32 range.

I don't think that deal goes down, but the proposal includes one from the Bears that is likely to be higher. Besides, the logical selling point to why GB would take a deal like this is to have ammo to move up to get another top shelf QB pick if Love doesn't pan out, so the exact # of what comes back is less the headline.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 17, 2021, 12:02:21 PM
Gotta remember that all of those 1st rounders would be in the 25-32 range.

Yup. I think NYG would be pretty good with Rodgers. At least on offense.

That said, I’m not really entertaining trades unless Rodgers has zero intention of playing in Green Bay no matter what happens. Or Love looks like the second coming of Mahomes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 17, 2021, 01:36:54 PM
Yup. I think NYG would be pretty good with Rodgers. At least on offense.

That said, I’m not really entertaining trades unless Rodgers has zero intention of playing in Green Bay no matter what happens. Or Love looks like the second coming of Mahomes.

I agree completely.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 17, 2021, 02:47:27 PM
Dey ain't peddlin' him ta no NFC teem. Wur he ta bee traded, and eye don't tink sew, it'll bee ta sumwear in da AFC, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on May 17, 2021, 03:51:37 PM
Yup. I think NYG would be pretty good with Rodgers. At least on offense.

That said, I’m not really entertaining trades unless Rodgers has zero intention of playing in Green Bay no matter what happens. Or Love looks like the second coming of Mahomes.

As a Giants fan that has to be the worst deal ever. If I were the Giants I would trade first round drafts only for the top offensive and defensive tackles.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 17, 2021, 03:58:03 PM
As a Giants fan that has to be the worst deal ever. If I were the Giants I would trade first round drafts only for the top offensive and defensive tackles.

I'd say there's 0 chance the NYGs are trading for Aaron Rodgers.  Not Gettlemen's MO.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 17, 2021, 10:06:17 PM
A theoretical Packers Broncos trade scenario :

https://sports.yahoo.com/denver-broncos-land-aaron-rodgers-201257525.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 18, 2021, 04:56:36 PM
Speculation on adverse PR for Aaron Rodgers

https://sports.yahoo.com/has-green-bay-turned-on-aaron-rodgers-210606049.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 18, 2021, 05:34:22 PM
Speculation on adverse PR for Aaron Rodgers

https://sports.yahoo.com/has-green-bay-turned-on-aaron-rodgers-210606049.html

Just dumb. No matter what happens he will be given a standing O when his number is retired.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 20, 2021, 08:27:45 PM
Peyton Manning hopes Rodgers stays with Packers
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/05/20/peyton-manning-aaron-rodgers-green-bay-future/5181394001/

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on May 24, 2021, 12:06:05 PM
Rodgers skips first OTA. 

Should this shut up all the mouth breathing sports talk listeners / callers (aka Badger fans) who think this "whole thing" is somehow Adam Schefter's fault.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 24, 2021, 12:29:17 PM
Rodgers skips first OTA. 

Should this shut up all the mouth breathing sports talk listeners / callers (aka Badger fans) who think this "whole thing" is somehow Adam Schefter's fault.

To be fair they are voluntary. I think June 8 is the first mandatory practice for the Packers. That will be most telling.

I also saw some other Packers skipped OTAs due to disagreements between the NFLPA and NFL. Rodgers has been pretty involved for the NFLPA.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on May 24, 2021, 12:34:47 PM
To be fair they are voluntary. I think June 8 is the first mandatory practice for the Packers. That will be most telling.

I also saw some other Packers skipped OTAs due to disagreements between the NFLPA and NFL. Rodgers has been pretty involved for the NFLPA.

The NFLPA situation is real however the culture in Green Bay is OTA's are essentially mandatory.  The vast majority of players have bonuses built in for attendance.  The dirty little secret about the NFL is your off season is interrupted for 2 months each spring.

Also, I'll wait patiently for Aaron's pro Union comments.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on May 25, 2021, 12:02:36 PM
Rodgers goes on SportsCenter and basic at completely validates every report by the media. 

Says it has nothing to do with Love or the Draft but things going back to last year.

Also doesn’t say one word about his stances / solidarity with the NFLPA’s push to have guys skip. 

Can we end the charade that Schefter was making this all up and the media is responsible? 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on May 25, 2021, 12:22:07 PM
Rodgers goes on SportsCenter and basic at completely validates every report by the media. 

Says it has nothing to do with Love or the Draft but things going back to last year.

Also doesn’t say one word about his stances / solidarity with the NFLPA’s push to have guys skip. 

Can we end the charade that Schefter was making this all up and the media is responsible?

Did anyone seriously believe this? Or just twitter mopes?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 25, 2021, 12:34:21 PM
Rodgers goes on SportsCenter and basic at completely validates every report by the media. 

Says it has nothing to do with Love or the Draft but things going back to last year.

Also doesn’t say one word about his stances / solidarity with the NFLPA’s push to have guys skip. 

Can we end the charade that Schefter was making this all up and the media is responsible?

I don’t know that many educated fans bought that Schefter made it up.

Rodgers was the NFLPA rep for the last CBA, which is where my comments came from. Maybe he’s not in favor of the NFLPA anymore.

I think he basically said a lot of words but didn’t really say anything. He didn’t demand a trade, retire, or commit to GB from what I’ve read. Mainly just used a passive way to call out Gutey.

I think he wants more guarantees in his contract further out. The rest of this is public negotiation.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 25, 2021, 02:32:53 PM

I think he wants more guarantees in his contract further out. The rest of this is public negotiation.

This is what I have said all along. Respect. And he wants that respect in the form of a new contract that guarantees he stays in GB. I certainly think he has done enough to deserve that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on May 25, 2021, 05:21:59 PM
"shut up and play"? Bold thing to tell the league MVP
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 25, 2021, 05:27:35 PM
Here is the Sports Center interview with Rodgers 

https://nypost.com/2021/05/25/aaron-rodgers-breaks-packers-silence-on-sportscenter/

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on May 25, 2021, 06:12:45 PM
"shut up and play"? Bold thing to tell the league MVP




Yeah, especially when he's under contract, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 25, 2021, 06:23:35 PM



Yeah, especially when he's under contract, aina?

He hasn’t violated his contract.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on May 26, 2021, 09:27:32 AM
Spygate back in the news.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31484993/son-ghostwriter-late-senator-say-trump-intervened-stop-probe-patriots-spygate-scandal
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on May 26, 2021, 09:31:57 AM
He hasn’t violated his contract.

He might have, GBP puts an inordinate amount of compensation on attending off season training.  And while you could argue he may not have violated it, rather he just didn't trigger certain clauses, he knows what he is doing and he is very intentionally upsetting the norm in Green Bay.  Attendance at Packers OTAs and Mini Camps are amongst the best in the league.  It is assumed in Green Bay that you work from April 15th to June 15th.  His absence is significant. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 26, 2021, 10:06:24 AM
He might have, GBP puts an inordinate amount of compensation on attending off season training.  And while you could argue he may not have violated it, rather he just didn't trigger certain clauses, he knows what he is doing and he is very intentionally upsetting the norm in Green Bay.  Attendance at Packers OTAs and Mini Camps are amongst the best in the league.  It is assumed in Green Bay that you work from April 15th to June 15th.  His absence is significant.

I believe that it is strictly an incentive, not a contractual obligation. Andrew Brandt mentioned in the past they put a lot of incentive money into OTAs in order to get people to come. Being Green Bay isn’t the most exciting place, they always have more incentives than other teams.

Also, most of the starting WRs missed. So not the only person not there. I’m not too worried until the June 8 mandatory practices. Granted, he’s got enough money to sustain the fines to prove a point.

I think he wants to stay. Just wants more security in his contracts as he’s basically on a year to year deal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on May 26, 2021, 10:28:19 AM
I believe that it is strictly an incentive, not a contractual obligation. Andrew Brandt mentioned in the past they put a lot of incentive money into OTAs in order to get people to come. Being Green Bay isn’t the most exciting place, they always have more incentives than other teams.

Also, most of the starting WRs missed. So not the only person not there. I’m not too worried until the June 8 mandatory practices. Granted, he’s got enough money to sustain the fines to prove a point.

I think he wants to stay. Just wants more security in his contracts as he’s basically on a year to year deal.

If 12 was there this week, Tae and company would be as well.  In the past 15 years Charles Woodson was really the only significant player to miss these.  Sure guys took time off here and there (Driver did DWTS, with permission from McCarthy) but the overall culture is everyone is there. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on May 26, 2021, 11:23:54 AM
I believe that it is strictly an incentive, not a contractual obligation. Andrew Brandt mentioned in the past they put a lot of incentive money into OTAs in order to get people to come. Being Green Bay isn’t the most exciting place, they always have more incentives than other teams.

Also, most of the starting WRs missed. So not the only person not there. I’m not too worried until the June 8 mandatory practices. Granted, he’s got enough money to sustain the fines to prove a point.

I think he wants to stay. Just wants more security in his contracts as he’s basically on a year to year deal.

Dougherty of of the MJS posits that the 3 day mini-camp would only cost Rodgers $88K on top of the $500K he's missing for OTAs. His opinion is that July 27 is the day to watch.
The fines for camp are $50,000 a day, with the fine for missing a preseason game escalating to a regular-season paycheck. In Rodgers’ case, each preseason game he skips as a holdout would cost him about $860,000  and the CBA the players signed last year mandates those fines. The Packers can’t rescind them as inducement to show up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on May 26, 2021, 12:36:04 PM
A case for letting AR go:

https://www.golongtd.com/p/let-the-jordan-love-era-begin-in

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 26, 2021, 12:43:15 PM
A case for letting AR go:

https://www.golongtd.com/p/let-the-jordan-love-era-begin-in

I’d put the chances of Love being a successful NFL QB at somewhere south of 25%. Im probably being too generous, though.

So yeah, let’s move on.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 26, 2021, 12:50:33 PM
I’d put the chances of Love being a successful NFL QB at somewhere south of 25%. Im probably being too generous, though.

So yeah, let’s move on.



On one hand, you're just guessing.

On the other, when the first quote is from his personal quarterbacks coach....
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 26, 2021, 12:56:41 PM
I don’t really see the Packers moving onto Love this year by trading Rodgers unless they are convinced he’s a future Top 10 QB and is ready now.

I don’t think Rodgers holds out. At his age, he’s missing out on a prime chance to win a Super Bowl with the Packers.

The risk for the Packers is you call his bluff and he holds out. Can’t you just trade him for a haul mid-season? Once the draft passed, you are now talking picks a year in the future. Unless there’s a rookie the Packers wanted on a team that wants Rodgers.

It’s not like they are going to sign a free agent with Rodgers’ cap space that is freed up. Maybe it gives them more flexibility to trade for someone.

I see it pretty low risk to hold onto Rodgers if he holds out, other than the circus he would create. Maybe they just want him gone to not hinder Love with the ongoing drama.

Going to be interesting once June 1 passes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on May 26, 2021, 01:11:46 PM
A case for letting AR go:

https://www.golongtd.com/p/let-the-jordan-love-era-begin-in

Man.... I read stories like this and get all excited.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on May 26, 2021, 01:17:39 PM
Love doesn't have to be a top 10 quarterback if you're getting 2 starting level players and 4 first round draft picks in return.  Once Bakhtiari is healthy, your o line will be among the best in the league, your backfield will be among the best in the league, you have the best wide receiver in the league, and if your first round CB is at least serviceable your defense should be very solid.

Then you have two first round picks in the next four NFL Drafts.  Build a team that can win by controlling the clock and playing defense.  If Love is a top 10 quarterback, then even better.

Rodgers will never be happy here.  He's also had chances to win Super Bowls and hasn't been able to (whether it's losing the first game in the Playoffs after a 15-1 season or being unable to put the ball in the end zone in Seattle or in Green Bay against the Bucs).

You're also playing in the NFC North.  You don't have to be one of the top teams in the NFL to win games with the teams the Packers get to play twice each year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 26, 2021, 01:23:01 PM
I mean, his trade value will never be higher....
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on May 26, 2021, 02:05:56 PM
I mean, his trade value will never be higher....

Fair. I guess I’m operating under the assumption he’s bluffing sitting out the season.

Based on comments from people who know him, it doesn’t sound like he will play for the Packers again, so I may just be a hopeful optimist. Listening to national pundits, not many think he will be a Packer next year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on May 26, 2021, 02:15:46 PM
Love doesn't have to be a top 10 quarterback if you're getting 2 starting level players and 4 first round draft picks in return.  Once Bakhtiari is healthy, your o line will be among the best in the league, your backfield will be among the best in the league, you have the best wide receiver in the league, and if your first round CB is at least serviceable your defense should be very solid.

Then you have two first round picks in the next four NFL Drafts.  Build a team that can win by controlling the clock and playing defense.  If Love is a top 10 quarterback, then even better.

Rodgers will never be happy here.  He's also had chances to win Super Bowls and hasn't been able to (whether it's losing the first game in the Playoffs after a 15-1 season or being unable to put the ball in the end zone in Seattle or in Green Bay against the Bucs).

You're also playing in the NFC North.  You don't have to be one of the top teams in the NFL to win games with the teams the Packers get to play twice each year.

I agree with a lot of this but

a) I would temper your expectations on the return
b) not expect those 1st round picks to be better than 20th
c) worry about Davante and Bahktiari if Rodgers is gone - those 3 are pretty tight
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on May 26, 2021, 02:22:11 PM
I agree with a lot of this but

a) I would temper your expectations on the return
b) not expect those 1st round picks to be better than 20th
c) worry about Davante and Bahktiari if Rodgers is gone - those 3 are pretty tight

Agreed with all of that.  But Bahktiari really can't go anywhere.  He just resigned with the Packers.  He doesn't have any leverage at all.  I would expect this to be Adams's last season with the Packers, unfortunately.  I'd miss Adams more than I'd miss Rodgers.  But it is what it is.  At this point, whether Rodgers "retires" or is traded you expect Adams to be gone when he becomes a free agent, so you might as well give him a year to see if Love can surprise him.  And if not you have a lot of draft picks to try to get your replacement at wide receiver.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on May 26, 2021, 03:30:28 PM
If they end up trading Rodgers they should consider trading Devante as well. I imagine despite being in the last year of his contract someone would make an offer and I doubt he's back for 2022-23 if Rodgers isn't here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 26, 2021, 03:37:11 PM
Agreed with all of that.  But Bahktiari really can't go anywhere.  He just resigned with the Packers.  He doesn't have any leverage at all.  I would expect this to be Adams's last season with the Packers, unfortunately.  I'd miss Adams more than I'd miss Rodgers.  But it is what it is.  At this point, whether Rodgers "retires" or is traded you expect Adams to be gone when he becomes a free agent, so you might as well give him a year to see if Love can surprise him.  And if not you have a lot of draft picks to try to get your replacement at wide receiver.

IIRC from years past, you were a huge Rodgers fan, right?

I get it that even big fans get tired of the drama eventually, especially when there hasn't even been a single conference title in a decade.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on May 26, 2021, 03:48:31 PM
IIRC from years past, you were a huge Rodgers fan, right?

I get it that even big fans get tired of the drama eventually, especially when there hasn't even been a single conference title in a decade.

I like Rodgers because he's in a different stratosphere than any NFC North quarterback I've seen besides Brett Favre in my lifetime.  And the best case scenario is he comes back, the Packers make room for Julio, and they go win a Super Bowl.  But that seems unlikely, so to me you can set yourself up for another decade of football that is just about as good as the past decade has been since you last won the Super Bowl.  Otherwise you're constantly battling a disgruntled, aging quarterback and get nothing in return when he does leave town.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on May 26, 2021, 03:50:44 PM
Fair. I guess I’m operating under the assumption he’s bluffing sitting out the season.

Based on comments from people who know him, it doesn’t sound like he will play for the Packers again, so I may just be a hopeful optimist. Listening to national pundits, not many think he will be a Packer next year.

I don't think this is true. AJ Hawk, James Jones and TJ Lang all have said they think he will be back.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on May 26, 2021, 04:14:20 PM



On one hand, you're just guessing.

On the other, when the first quote is from his personal quarterbacks coach....

Nope. Just going by history.

Only 2 guys selected between 13-32 from 2010-2018 became quality NFL QBs. Jackson and Tannyhill. Jackson had a single, unique talent. Tannyhill took a while and had to be traded to be successful.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on May 26, 2021, 04:16:29 PM
I don't think this is true. AJ Hawk, James Jones and TJ Lang all have said they think he will be back.


I kinda think they're saying that because Rodgers doesn't want to be seen as the bad guy if he is traded or holds out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 26, 2021, 05:55:39 PM
Adam  Vinatieri hanging up the cleats for good

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31515894/adam-vinatieri-nfl-all-leading-scorer-retiring-24-nfl-seasons
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on May 26, 2021, 09:27:57 PM
Adam  Vinatieri hanging up the cleats for good

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31515894/adam-vinatieri-nfl-all-leading-scorer-retiring-24-nfl-seasons

Isn't he like 80 now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 26, 2021, 10:26:57 PM
I like Rodgers because he's in a different stratosphere than any NFC North quarterback I've seen besides Brett Favre in my lifetime.  And the best case scenario is he comes back, the Packers make room for Julio, and they go win a Super Bowl.  But that seems unlikely, so to me you can set yourself up for another decade of football that is just about as good as the past decade has been since you last won the Super Bowl.  Otherwise you're constantly battling a disgruntled, aging quarterback and get nothing in return when he does leave town.

Very reasonable take. As one with no horse in this race, I hope you get the outcome you're looking for.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2021, 09:33:46 PM
Just read that the Vikings really wanted Fields and tried to trade with the Panthers. But Minnesota refused to give up its No. 1 pick in 2022, offering only a third and fourth to trade up, and the Panthers told the Vikes to take a hike.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on May 28, 2021, 10:11:22 PM
Just read that the Vikings really wanted Fields and tried to trade with the Panthers. But Minnesota refused to give up its No. 1 pick in 2022, offering only a third and fourth to trade up, and the Panthers told the Vikes to take a hike.
Panthers got a starting cornerback, so they made the right decision.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on May 28, 2021, 10:29:10 PM
Panthers got a starting cornerback, so they made the right decision.

I am very content with what the Panthers did. No 2022 #1, no trade.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on June 01, 2021, 07:24:48 PM
Teams that improved through offseason moves. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31521616/ranking-nfl-offseason-25-biggest-position-upgrades-why-cardinals-rams-browns-others-improved
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 04, 2021, 02:28:16 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-could-reportedly-be-up-for-sale-soon-due-to-internal-strife-in-mc-caskey-family-184507138.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on June 04, 2021, 02:56:51 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-could-reportedly-be-up-for-sale-soon-due-to-internal-strife-in-mc-caskey-family-184507138.html

Let's start collecting money!

I'm in for a hundy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on June 04, 2021, 02:59:12 PM
Let's start collecting money!

I'm in for a hundy.

Eh. I’m already an owner of a more successful team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 04, 2021, 03:23:39 PM
Eh. I’m already an owner of a more successful team.


(https://static.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120815&t=2&i=642899701&r=CBRE87E1PTB00&w=800)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on June 04, 2021, 03:30:55 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-could-reportedly-be-up-for-sale-soon-due-to-internal-strife-in-mc-caskey-family-184507138.html

This is nothing new - it's been going on for years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 04, 2021, 07:51:51 PM
Would be thrilled if the McCaskey’s sold.

But it ain’t happening until Virginia is in the ground.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on June 04, 2021, 09:58:06 PM
Reading between the lines here, I’ll give my take...

The timing of this report is interesting. It’s not a rumor, but a fact that there has been a standing offer to the family for years now, of $2 billion for the team. It’s never been confirmed who it’s from, I’ve thought for a while it might be from Neil Bluhm. If it is indeed Bluhm, I would imagine he (or associates) is chirping about Arlington.

Being realistic, the family couldn’t have done great financially last year. I think the kids/grandkids realize they need to sell while Virginia is alive and before Biden’s any Biden’s estate tax (or other wealth tax proposals) pass. This is reckless speculation, maybe Virginia isn’t well?

Lot going on here. Once Virginia passes, it’ll be a mess that the NFL may need to intervene with, regarding all the shares being split among a lot of people.

Wait to see.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 05, 2021, 07:34:56 AM
A lot of family owned businesses with little cost basis are looking to sell. Or are planning to hold for the long term.

So the timing makes sense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 05, 2021, 08:21:38 AM
The best thing that could probably happen for the Bears is a sale.  It’s possible a new owmer could be worse but seems unlikely.  Q
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on June 05, 2021, 10:44:58 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31571806/green-bay-packers-president-says-aaron-rodgers-situation-divided-fan-base
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 03, 2021, 02:23:56 PM
Rodgers does not make Covid opt out election

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/packers-aaron-rodgers-nfl-covid-opt-out
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 04, 2021, 09:28:46 AM
Rodgers does not make Covid opt out election

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/packers-aaron-rodgers-nfl-covid-opt-out

There was a 0% chance of that happening.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 06, 2021, 08:20:50 AM
https://www.nfl.com/news/packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-using-offseason-to-work-on-my-mental-health
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 06, 2021, 04:51:29 PM
One of Rogers and Fitzgerald will get Ann NBA Championship ring

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-aaron-rodgers-could-land-an-nba-championship-ring-if-the-bucks-beat-the-suns-in-the-nba-finals/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 07, 2021, 08:24:41 PM
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/31773982/bryson-dechambeau-aaron-rodgers-beat-phil-mickelson-tom-brady-match
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 08, 2021, 08:00:17 PM
Shannon Sharpe thinks Aaron Rodgers would be a good fit with The Broncos

https://mobile.twitter.com/undisputed/status/1412462090384781319
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 09, 2021, 09:48:37 AM
Shannon Sharpe thinks Aaron Rodgers would be a good fit with The Broncos

https://mobile.twitter.com/undisputed/status/1412462090384781319

You mean the former tight end for the Broncos thinks a HOF QB would be good for the Broncos?

He really went out on a limb there!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 10, 2021, 09:25:40 AM
https://nypost.com/2021/07/09/frank-clark-could-face-3-years-in-prison-after-felony-gun-charge/amp/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on July 10, 2021, 05:10:36 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/07/09/frank-clark-could-face-3-years-in-prison-after-felony-gun-charge/amp/

I say and ask this as nicely as possible...

Could you start your own thread called “Herman Cain’s NFL news nuggets”? Or something like that? I think something like 9 out of the last 10 posts in this thread have just been link drops by you.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 10, 2021, 06:34:26 PM
I say and ask this as nicely as possible...

Could you start your own thread called “Herman Cain’s NFL news nuggets”? Or something like that? I think something like 9 out of the last 10 posts in this thread have just been link drops by you.

I second this.

If it is a subject that will invite discussion go ahead and post here. Otherwise it is just clutter.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: rocket surgeon on July 10, 2021, 08:13:17 PM
the washington football team is planning on coming out with new nickname and logo in early 2022 along with possible new stadium after fed-ex stadium lease runs out. 

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/washington-football-team-expected-reveal-new-name-logo-early-2022

  the washington crab cakes
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 10, 2021, 08:57:00 PM
the washington football team is planning on coming out with new nickname and logo in early 2022 along with possible new stadium after fed-ex stadium lease runs out. 

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/washington-football-team-expected-reveal-new-name-logo-early-2022

  the washington crab cakes
They should go to the Seminole Tribe and license the image that Florida State uses . Change their name to the Seminoles
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 10, 2021, 09:59:54 PM
They should go to the Seminole Tribe and license the image that Florida State uses . Change their name to the Seminoles

Florida State contracts with one of the Seminole tribes within the Seminole nation. Several of the other Seminole tribes  oppose it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 11, 2021, 07:50:35 AM
Florida State contracts with one of the Seminole tribes within the Seminole nation. Several of the other Seminole tribes  oppose it.
Well maybe Washington can find that one Tribe
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 11, 2021, 12:41:59 PM
Well maybe Washington can find that one Tribe

I was more saying that Florida State isn't the best model.  Central Michigan and Utah do similar arrangements better.

That being said,  I doubt WFT goes anywhere close to this direction
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 11, 2021, 01:44:47 PM
I was more saying that Florida State isn't the best model.  Central Michigan and Utah do similar arrangements better.

That being said,  I doubt WFT goes anywhere close to this direction
I didn’t know CMU and Utah did the licensing .

I would like to see Washington become the Warriors. Actually not a big fan of Washington so I don’t have any skin in the game no pun intended .

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on July 12, 2021, 05:13:35 PM
I didn’t know CMU and Utah did the licensing .

I would like to see Washington become the Warriors. Actually not a big fan of Washington so I don’t have any skin in the game no pun intended .

https://nypost.com/2021/07/12/washington-football-team-axes-fan-favorite-new-name/

So they axe Warriors because it is offensive to certain groups in particular Native Americans, but its OK for Golden State. Go figure.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 12, 2021, 05:17:22 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/07/12/washington-football-team-axes-fan-favorite-new-name/

So they axe Warriors because it is offensive to certain groups in particular Native Americans, but its OK for Golden State. Go figure.

It’s all about the imagery.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 12, 2021, 06:14:34 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/07/12/washington-football-team-axes-fan-favorite-new-name/

So they axe Warriors because it is offensive to certain groups in particular Native Americans, but its OK for Golden State. Go figure.

Yes.

Get over it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on July 12, 2021, 06:34:39 PM
The Louis County vs NFL case isn’t getting any play nationally, but man is this case getting interesting fast.

I don’t know how the NFL can possibly win this case with the evidence that exists. A settlement would be hundreds of millions I would imagine.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 12, 2021, 08:35:36 PM
The Louis County vs NFL case isn’t getting any play nationally, but man is this case getting interesting fast.

I don’t know how the NFL can possibly win this case with the evidence that exists. A settlement would be hundreds of millions I would imagine.
There will be a settlement when the insurance companies want to turn off the legal meter.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 12, 2021, 10:21:46 PM
The Louis County vs NFL case isn’t getting any play nationally, but man is this case getting interesting fast.

I don’t know how the NFL can possibly win this case with the evidence that exists. A settlement would be hundreds of millions I would imagine.

Stan Kronke is going to make so much money on the SoFi development and the added value of the Rams that any settlement is going to be chump change in comparison.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on July 12, 2021, 10:51:22 PM
Stan Kronke is going to make so much money on the SoFi development and the added value of the Rams that any settlement is going to be chump change in comparison.

The punitive damage discovery is the big loss for all the defendants here. Ultra rich dudes don’t enjoy people poking around their financial records.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 12, 2021, 11:45:11 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/07/12/washington-football-team-axes-fan-favorite-new-name/

So they axe Warriors because it is offensive to certain groups in particular Native Americans, but its OK for Golden State. Go figure.

This has been explained on this site before, I actually think there were posts directly to you, but in case you missed them and are curious.

Having the moniker of "Warrior" isn't inherently racist. It depends on the imagery being used with it. Though a majority of teams named "Warriors" in US history opted to utilize Native American imagery, leading some to permanently associate the two regardless of imagery.

The Philadelphia Warriors used a racist caricature as their mascot back in the 40s and 50s. When the team relocated to San Francisco in the 60s, they dropped the caricature and replaced it with an image of headdress. Still native imagery but not quite as offensive. This stayed in place until 1968 when the team decided to drop all native imagery and replace it with an image of the Golden Gate bridge. Since then, there have been no logos that even hint at native imagery in Golden State.

The timing is important because Golden State made this change in the 60s, decades before there was any significant public pressure to drop Native American mascots. By the time that pressure arrived in the late 90s and reached a boiling point in the mid 2000s, 30 some years had passed. Fans weren't showing up to Oakland Arena in war paint and headdresses anymore, they had successfully transitioned from native imagery to a neutral imagery. On top of that, as long as the team had been in San Francisco, the imagery used didn't fall into the far end of the racism spectrum (i.e. Redskins, Chief Wahoo, and yes, Willie Wampum).

Timing is what makes Warriors a bad PR move for the Washington Football Team. Until last season, they had a racial slur for Native Americans as their moniker. Their fans were famously filled with shirtless White guys showing up with tomahawks, war paint, and other racial stereotypes. To take on a moniker that in this country traditionally has been associated with Native American imagery, would be viewed as a continuation of Redskins just in different clothing. Could it be done in a non-problematic way? Sure. Would that be a good PR move for the team? Don't see any way that it could be.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on July 14, 2021, 06:58:55 AM
This has been explained on this site before, I actually think there were posts directly to you, but in case you missed them and are curious.

Having the moniker of "Warrior" isn't inherently racist. It depends on the imagery being used with it. Though a majority of teams named "Warriors" in US history opted to utilize Native American imagery, leading some to permanently associate the two regardless of imagery.

The Philadelphia Warriors used a racist caricature as their mascot back in the 40s and 50s. When the team relocated to San Francisco in the 60s, they dropped the caricature and replaced it with an image of headdress. Still native imagery but not quite as offensive. This stayed in place until 1968 when the team decided to drop all native imagery and replace it with an image of the Golden Gate bridge. Since then, there have been no logos that even hint at native imagery in Golden State.

The timing is important because Golden State made this change in the 60s, decades before there was any significant public pressure to drop Native American mascots. By the time that pressure arrived in the late 90s and reached a boiling point in the mid 2000s, 30 some years had passed. Fans weren't showing up to Oakland Arena in war paint and headdresses anymore, they had successfully transitioned from native imagery to a neutral imagery. On top of that, as long as the team had been in San Francisco, the imagery used didn't fall into the far end of the racism spectrum (i.e. Redskins, Chief Wahoo, and yes, Willie Wampum).

Timing is what makes Warriors a bad PR move for the Washington Football Team. Until last season, they had a racial slur for Native Americans as their moniker. Their fans were famously filled with shirtless White guys showing up with tomahawks, war paint, and other racial stereotypes. To take on a moniker that in this country traditionally has been associated with Native American imagery, would be viewed as a continuation of Redskins just in different clothing. Could it be done in a non-problematic way? Sure. Would that be a good PR move for the team? Don't see any way that it could be.

Really?

https://sportsmascots.fandom.com/wiki/Chief_Zee_(Washington_Redskins)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 14, 2021, 07:47:58 AM
Really?

https://sportsmascots.fandom.com/wiki/Chief_Zee_(Washington_Redskins)


Where did he say they were exclusively white guys?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 14, 2021, 08:25:37 AM
Really?

https://sportsmascots.fandom.com/wiki/Chief_Zee_(Washington_Redskins)

Yes really.

(https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1159955/skins-fans.jpg)

(https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/25/2013/02/350x-40.jpg?w=350)

(https://26vabj15vctj4f47ue4zrgxf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/redskins_fans-701x467.jpg)

(https://imagez.tmz.com/image/3f/o/2015/09/25/3f223cc25d875404a624b0f9e4e0217f_md.jpg)

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qJUDblWBqy8VzKTItnVEkenI0SY=/47x0:3951x2603/1400x1400/filters:focal(47x0:3951x2603):format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/8178033/20120930_jtl_sx8_161.0.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/06/13/29543272-8494037-A_Washington_Redskins_fan_prepares_for_the_game_against_the_Tamp-m-17_1594040246572.jpg)

Did I ever say that it was exclusively White? A majority are white.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on July 14, 2021, 09:03:34 AM

Where did he say they were exclusively white guys?

Then why bring race into it?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on July 14, 2021, 09:06:35 AM
Yes really.

(https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/1159955/skins-fans.jpg)

(https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/25/2013/02/350x-40.jpg?w=350)

(https://26vabj15vctj4f47ue4zrgxf-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/redskins_fans-701x467.jpg)

(https://imagez.tmz.com/image/3f/o/2015/09/25/3f223cc25d875404a624b0f9e4e0217f_md.jpg)

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qJUDblWBqy8VzKTItnVEkenI0SY=/47x0:3951x2603/1400x1400/filters:focal(47x0:3951x2603):format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/8178033/20120930_jtl_sx8_161.0.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/07/06/13/29543272-8494037-A_Washington_Redskins_fan_prepares_for_the_game_against_the_Tamp-m-17_1594040246572.jpg)

Did I ever say that it was exclusively White? A majority are white.

C'mon man, they're all wearing shirts!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on July 14, 2021, 09:26:11 AM
Is this some kind of solidarity for mascot name loss thing? Are you a diehard Washington Football Team fan suddenly deprived of his mascot? What engenders such passionate defense here?

I'm honestly curious, because I can think of very few things I care about less than what Dan Snyder's team calls itself. It seems weird as heck that anyone would do anything in response to this rebranding beyond simply saying "okay."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 14, 2021, 09:30:29 AM
Then why bring race into it?

The nickname being replaced was a color followed by skin. You can’t really separate race from this.

If they got rid of it in the 70s and went with knight imagery of Warriors, they’d have probably been able to make it work, similar to MU. Especially with how hard WFT fought to keep the former name, in my opinion, you can’t go to a name that could even be close to the Native American imagery.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 14, 2021, 09:34:28 AM
Then why bring race into it?

1. Because the Washington Football Team brought race into it by using a racial slur as their mascot for decades.

2. Because while it is bad when any non-Native American culturally appropriates Native imagery, it is worse when a White person does it than when a Black or Latinx or Asian person does. To pre-empt your why, it is because of the historical context. The genocide or conquering or subjugation or whatever word you are comfortable using of Native Americans was primarily perpetuated by White Europeans and later White Americans. So while other people of color doing it is an insult, when a White person does it, it is adding insult to past injury.

If it makes you feel better, I don't like Chief Zee either.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 14, 2021, 09:49:12 AM
Then why bring race into it?


Why bring race into a discussion about native imagery?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 14, 2021, 06:20:13 PM
1. Because the Washington Football Team brought race into it by using a racial slur as their mascot for decades.

Not even the recent conversation, but their founder was an avowed segregationist/bigot who was the last to sign a black player.  He chose Redskins cause the team he bought was called the Braves and he liked the Native American imagery.  AND the first coach he hired, as a marketing gimmick, was a huckster who claimed to be Native American.

There was never anything with the Redskins like other Warriors or Braves mascots that aged poorly as people became more aware and sensitive, it was a racist nickname picked and crafted by a dyed in the wool racist owner from the jump
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 14, 2021, 06:39:04 PM
So are we not going to bring up Richard Sherman's antics from last night?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 14, 2021, 07:18:16 PM
So are we not going to bring up Richard Sherman's antics from last night?

I think you just did.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on July 14, 2021, 08:23:21 PM
So are we not going to bring up Richard Sherman's antics from last night?

The good news is the NFL has a zero tolerance policy when it comes to domestic violence...

... If there's video...

... Or the player isn't a superstar.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: naginiF on July 14, 2021, 08:35:16 PM
The good news is the NFL has a zero tolerance policy when it comes to domestic violence...

... If there's video...

... Or the player isn't a superstar.
... Or the victim doesn't settle out of court
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 14, 2021, 09:32:05 PM
The good news is the NFL has a zero tolerance policy when it comes to domestic violence...

... If there's video...

... Or the player isn't a superstar.

It will be interesting how this is viewed.  Obviously not excusing his behavior but it seems a different situation than someone who explicitly puts their hands on their spouse.

Now the DUI and reckless driving is another matter.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 14, 2021, 10:19:22 PM
Lots of detail on The Sherman Imbroglio

https://nypost.com/2021/07/14/richard-sherman-threatened-to-kill-himself-wifes-911-call/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 15, 2021, 06:44:36 AM
Lots of detail on The Sherman Imbroglio

https://nypost.com/2021/07/14/richard-sherman-threatened-to-kill-himself-wifes-911-call/

Alcohol + CTE is a really really bad combo
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on July 15, 2021, 08:26:44 AM
So are we not going to bring up Richard Sherman's antics from last night?

You call them antics, I see someone in need of help, likely not the kind that he's going to get with a week in jail.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 15, 2021, 10:04:07 AM
You call them antics, I see someone in need of help, likely not the kind that he's going to get with a week in jail.

Semantics.  The behavior was clearly outrageous, but we can agree that spending a week in jail is idiocy.  He should have been discharged once he had a psyche evaluation, was sober, and a temporary restraining order was put in place.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 15, 2021, 10:39:14 AM
You call them antics, I see someone in need of help, likely not the kind that he's going to get with a week in jail.


Yeah and the Police response doesn't seem to have been helpful.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 15, 2021, 12:07:14 PM
So I spoke with a buddy who was formerly in media in Seattle.  Additional details he had recieved.

Sherman was/is allegedly on the cusp of re-signing with the Seahawks. Drank 2 bottles of Hennessy whilst celebrating this.  Quarreled with his wife's Uncle for yet unknown reasons.  His wife called the police.  He tried to drive to the in-laws where she was.  Got in a wreck.  Walked a further 2 miles to the house from the wreck.  His father in law is a former police officer.  He pepper sprayed Sherman while he was irate and trying to enter the house.  Police arrived, seemingly de-escalated things, but when they wanted to take him into custody, Sherman drunkenly flipped out again and thats when everything else occurred. 

Pretty sad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on July 15, 2021, 12:31:13 PM
Semantics.  The behavior was clearly outrageous, but we can agree that spending a week in jail is idiocy.  He should have been discharged once he had a psyche evaluation, was sober, and a temporary restraining order was put in place.

Idk, what does the week in jail hurt?  When someone exhibits this kind of behavior, if he were let out immediately upon sobering up and receiving a psych eval, that would seem like gross negligence if/when he went on to immmediately violate the restraining order.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 15, 2021, 12:36:43 PM
Idk, what does the week in jail hurt?  When someone exhibits this kind of behavior, if he were let out immediately upon sobering up and receiving a psych eval, that would seem like gross negligence if/when he went on to immmediately violate the restraining order.

What does it solve?  Absolutely nothing.  It's expensive, he isn't a repeat offender, and he was clearly drunk.

If he goes on to immediately violate the restraining order, he gets arrested again.  Do you think spending a week in jail would prevent him from violating the order?  That's stupid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 15, 2021, 01:02:22 PM
Idk, what does the week in jail hurt? 


There is the American attitude toward crime in a nutshell.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 15, 2021, 02:42:26 PM
A week, two weeks ... why not a month? Who would it hurt?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on July 15, 2021, 02:44:04 PM
If you think a week of observation is a bad thing for a guy charged with domestic violence and that tried to break into his in laws house, fight his father in law, and threatened suicide, sure keep Bob Rossing with those broad brushes. Maybe it sucks that we don't really have a place other than jail for that observation, but that's where we are. The threat he poses to himself and other is the reason bail is denied in these cases, and its the reason I don't think a week in jail is the worst thing here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 15, 2021, 02:47:44 PM
If you think a week of observation is a bad thing for a guy charged with domestic violence and that tried to break into his in laws house, fight his father in law, and threatened suicide, sure keep Bob Rossing with those broad brushes. Maybe it sucks that we don't really have a place other than jail for that observation, but that's where we are. The threat he poses to himself and other is the reason bail is denied in these cases, and its the reason I don't think a week in jail is the worst thing here.


Jail is really a wholly inadequate place for that type of observation.

But to answer your original question, there IS harm to locking someone up in jail for something that seems a mental health issue and not a criminal one. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on July 15, 2021, 02:56:13 PM

Jail is really a wholly inadequate place for that type of observation.

But to answer your original question, there IS harm to locking someone up in jail for something that seems a mental health issue and not a criminal one.

Agreed  that jail is inadequate for that type of observation, and I agree that mental health seems to be a factor, if not the predominant factor here. But I also think that the greatest harm in these cases would be just releasing someone with that fact pattern on his own recognizance when he sobers up with a restraining order, and assuming the victims will be fine or can just call the police if he violates the restraining order.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 15, 2021, 03:26:28 PM
Agreed  that jail is inadequate for that type of observation, and I agree that mental health seems to be a factor, if not the predominant factor here. But I also think that the greatest harm in these cases would be just releasing someone with that fact pattern on his own recognizance when he sobers up with a restraining order, and assuming the victims will be fine or can just call the police if he violates the restraining order.

Case law - and even the U.S. Constitution - says you can't impose excessive bail or hold people without bail, except in extreme circumstances. This comes nowhere close to qualifying.
The primary purpose of bail is to ensure the defendant returns for court, not punish someone.
This is a guy with no criminal history whose offenses resulted in no harm to others. No prosecutor could credibly argue that he poses a significant threat to harm others if released.

And pragmatically speaking, judges ordered defendants held without bail because they might commit another crime if released, we'd need to quadruple the size of our jails.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 15, 2021, 05:11:31 PM

This is a guy with no criminal history whose offenses resulted in no harm to others. No prosecutor could credibly argue that he poses a significant threat to harm others if released.

Bingo.  I’m not sure what “fact pattern” was referred to above. This is obviously an unpleasant story and something snapped after lots of alcohol.  This isn’t some habitual offender or someone with a history of domestic issues.  He had a bad incident while drunk, certainly not the first or last person.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 16, 2021, 06:48:38 AM
Shockin' behavior from a Stanford alum. I blame firewater, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 16, 2021, 07:23:35 AM
Pleased to see that the Panthers just beat yesterday's deadline to get a contract done for Taylor Moton, arguably the best RT in the NFL.

Price was steep - 5 years, $85M, with $43M guaranteed - but Tepper is the richest owner in the league and the team had cap space.

Guy allowed only 3 sacks all season and committed only 1 penalty. He has played 99%+ of offensive snaps last 3 years. Big, tough, talented, reliable. Glad my team hung onto him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on July 16, 2021, 09:26:36 AM
Bingo.  I’m not sure what “fact pattern” was referred to above. This is obviously an unpleasant story and something snapped after lots of alcohol.  This isn’t some habitual offender or someone with a history of domestic issues.  He had a bad incident while drunk, certainly not the first or last person.
From the espn article:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31824470/judge-orders-richard-sherman-released-jail-bail-several-conditions (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31824470/judge-orders-richard-sherman-released-jail-bail-several-conditions)

In February, King County prosecutors and the sheriff obtained an "extreme risk protection order'' for Sherman, which barred him from having guns after a judge determined he posed a danger to himself or others. Details of the case were sealed, and it was not immediately clear if any weapons had been seized from him.

Hopefully he gets the help he needs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 20, 2021, 11:50:59 AM
Sources say Rodgers turned down two year extension that would have made him the highest paid player in Football. If true very puzzling.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31847990/sources-aaron-rodgers-declined-green-bay-packers-extension-offer-made-highest-paid-qb
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2021, 11:54:21 AM
Sources say Rodgers turned down two year extension that would have made him the highest paid player in Football. If true very puzzling.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31847990/sources-aaron-rodgers-declined-green-bay-packers-extension-offer-made-highest-paid-qb

Packers should have traded him before last season and signed Tom Brady.  They’d be Super Bowl champs and have a slew of draft picks.  Alas, they have Captain Regualr Season Stat Padder
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 20, 2021, 12:20:40 PM
Sources say Rodgers turned down two year extension that would have made him the highest paid player in Football. If true very puzzling.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31847990/sources-aaron-rodgers-declined-green-bay-packers-extension-offer-made-highest-paid-qb

This isn’t really newsworthy is it? Unless they changed the guarantees, it’s kind of an empty offer. Rodgers is upset that he’s basically on a year to year deal and wants more guaranteed money in the coming years so they can’t move on from him as easily.

Just extending his deal 2 years doesn’t change the situation.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 20, 2021, 12:47:06 PM
And this isn't news.  This was mentioned back in May, just not the details, which were entirely predictable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 20, 2021, 01:32:47 PM
This isn’t really newsworthy is it? Unless they changed the guarantees, it’s kind of an empty offer. Rodgers is upset that he’s basically on a year to year deal and wants more guaranteed money in the coming years so they can’t move on from him as easily.

Just extending his deal 2 years doesn’t change the situation.

I said early in this thread that it was about respect - not money. The Bears called Andy frickin' Dalton both before and after Fields was drafted. Jerry Krause couldn't be bothered to call Aaron when they drafted Love.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on July 20, 2021, 01:33:19 PM
Nothing to see here on this “news”. Unless he turned down significant guaranteed money for ‘24 & ‘25, there’s no story here at all.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 20, 2021, 01:35:01 PM
I said early in this thread that it was about respect - not money. The Bears called Andy frickin' Dalton both before and after Fields was drafted. Jerry Krause couldn't be bothered to call Aaron when they drafted Love.



He can get over it. They have put a championship quality team around him the last two seasons. Including last year playing at home.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 20, 2021, 01:40:39 PM

He can get over it. They have put a championship quality team around him the last two seasons. Including last year playing at home.

Of course he can, I said earlier in the thread that I expect him to be on the field for the opening game.

We'll find out if I was right or wrong in 8 weeks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2021, 01:49:34 PM
Of course he can, I said earlier in the thread that I expect him to be on the field for the opening game.

We'll find out if I was right or wrong in 8 weeks.

Trade him for the best deal out there regardless of team.  He’s a loser
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 20, 2021, 01:50:42 PM
He gowne, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 20, 2021, 02:01:56 PM
Trade him for the best deal out there regardless of team.  He’s a loser

Packers aren’t trading him now. The value of the draft picks aren’t decided.


Of course he can, I said earlier in the thread that I expect him to be on the field for the opening game.

We'll find out if I was right or wrong in 8 weeks.

Oh I think you’re right.  Either that or he doesn’t get paid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2021, 02:18:36 PM
Packers aren’t trading him now. The value of the draft picks aren’t decided.


Oh I think you’re right.  Either that or he doesn’t get paid.

Yeah, probably not.  They should have dumped him a year ago.  Just like they held onto Farve too long, they’re hanging on to this loser too long.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on July 20, 2021, 02:22:15 PM
Yeah, probably not.  They should have dumped him a year ago.  Just like they held onto Farve too long, they’re hanging on to this loser too long.

damn him winning MVP after being a washed up loser!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2021, 03:18:19 PM
damn him winning MVP after being a washed up loser!

Yeah, he’s a great regular season qb.  If you like winning mediocre divisions and putting up meaningless numbers, he’s your guy.  If you like winning Super Bowls, he’s not your guy
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBBau on July 20, 2021, 03:40:47 PM
Yeah, he’s a great regular season qb.  If you like winning mediocre divisions and putting up meaningless numbers, he’s your guy.  If you like winning Super Bowls, he’s not your guy

Pretty much anyone not named Tom Brady isn't that guy
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2021, 03:54:41 PM
Pretty much anyone not named Tom Brady isn't that guy

Give me Joe Flacco
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 20, 2021, 04:14:34 PM
I said early in this thread that it was about respect - not money. The Bears called Andy frickin' Dalton both before and after Fields was drafted. Jerry Krause couldn't be bothered to call Aaron when they drafted Love.

I mean, I’m pretty sure the Bears did that to throw gasoline on the fire. Same with the Buccaneers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 20, 2021, 08:24:05 PM
ESPN calls out its own reporter for recycling old information on Rodgers.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/20/espns-latest-aaron-rodgers-report-catches-some-espn-scrutiny/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 22, 2021, 03:22:00 PM
Seems Cole Beasley isn't the only anti-vaxx WR out there.

@DeAndreHopkins
Never thought I would say this, But being put in a position to hurt my team because I don’t want to partake in the vaccine is making me question my future in the @NFL
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 22, 2021, 03:27:02 PM
Seems Cole Beasley isn't the only anti-vaxx WR out there.

@DeAndreHopkins
Never thought I would say this, But being put in a position to hurt my team because I don’t want to partake in the vaccine is making me question my future in the @NFL

I love social media.  People put their stupidity on display.  So now instead of assuming someone is dumb, they JUST TELL YOU OUTRIGHT.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 22, 2021, 03:44:38 PM
I love social media.  People put their stupidity on display.  So now instead of assuming someone is dumb, they JUST TELL YOU OUTRIGHT.

Yup.

Believe them when they tell you.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on July 22, 2021, 07:14:21 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3374788/the-nfl-will-force-teams-to-forfeit-games-without-pay-for-both-teams-if-they-have-a-covid-outbreak-among-unvaccinated-players

crazy
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 22, 2021, 08:35:32 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3374788/the-nfl-will-force-teams-to-forfeit-games-without-pay-for-both-teams-if-they-have-a-covid-outbreak-among-unvaccinated-players

crazy

A real gangsta’ move by the NFL.

I love it!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on July 22, 2021, 09:10:02 PM
I love social media.  People put their stupidity on display.  So now instead of assuming someone is dumb, they JUST TELL YOU OUTRIGHT.

What is the source of this being “dumb?” Hopkins doesn’t seem like an OANN viewer to me. A significant number of African-Americans are refusing vaccination (more than 60% as of a KFF report from yesterday), Hopkins bring one of them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on July 22, 2021, 09:45:30 PM
What is the source of this being “dumb?” Hopkins doesn’t seem like an OANN viewer to me. A significant number of African-Americans are refusing vaccination (more than 60% as of a KFF report from yesterday), Hopkins bring one of them.

The conclusion of "I won't get vaccinated" is wrong whether your motivation for getting there is OANN stuff or Tuskegee Experiment stuff. Calling that position "dumb" might be blunt, but it's hard to say it's inaccurate.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 22, 2021, 10:39:48 PM
A significant number of African-Americans are refusing vaccination (more than 60% as of a KFF report from yesterday).

Not sure what KFF report you're talking about. The one I saw said the vaccination rate (not the refusal rate) among Blacks is 60%.

(https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic01.nyt.com%2Fimages%2F2021%2F07%2F18%2Fbriefing%2FoakImage-1626626096450%2FoakImage-1626626096450-articleLarge.png&t=1626701681&ymreqid=3c8d0d78-3338-e941-1cd1-3c0203019600&sig=T4lYWvisg7Sm6qxVRjIodw--~D)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 22, 2021, 10:41:38 PM
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3374788/the-nfl-will-force-teams-to-forfeit-games-without-pay-for-both-teams-if-they-have-a-covid-outbreak-among-unvaccinated-players

crazy

And the NFLPA is backing this, which is surprising but excellent.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 22, 2021, 10:47:55 PM
What is the source of this being “dumb?”

Here's my source:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/07/04/more-than-99-us-covid-deaths-involve-unvaccinated-people/7856564002/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 22, 2021, 10:54:29 PM
And the NFLPA is backing this, which is surprising but excellent.

Yessir. Very pleased about this.

Get vaccinated. Don't cost your team a playoff spot!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 23, 2021, 06:02:20 AM
The conclusion of "I won't get vaccinated" is wrong whether your motivation for getting there is OANN stuff or Tuskegee Experiment stuff. Calling that position "dumb" might be blunt, but it's hard to say it's inaccurate.

Exactly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on July 23, 2021, 06:40:02 AM
And the NFLPA is backing this, which is surprising but excellent.

It is excellent, but not surprising. The same forfeiture rule on pay was in place last season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on July 23, 2021, 10:10:57 AM
The conclusion of "I won't get vaccinated" is wrong whether your motivation for getting there is OANN stuff or Tuskegee Experiment stuff. Calling that position "dumb" might be blunt, but it's hard to say it's inaccurate.

Idk, I want no part of grouping those together.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 23, 2021, 10:59:02 AM
Davante Adams and the Packers have broken off contract talks.  He gowne
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on July 23, 2021, 11:16:01 AM
The conclusion of "I won't get vaccinated" is wrong whether your motivation for getting there is OANN stuff or Tuskegee Experiment stuff. Calling that position "dumb" might be blunt, but it's hard to say it's inaccurate.

Personally, I don't disagree with you. However, in playing devil's advocate here, aren't we supposed to support and trumpet his position if his refusal is due to his race?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 23, 2021, 11:19:12 AM
Davante Adams and the Packers have broken off contract talks.  He gowne

If they lose Rodgers and Adams, the entire FO should be shown the door.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 23, 2021, 11:22:06 AM
Packers on the way to getting the Cincinnati Bengals stingy reputation around the league?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on July 23, 2021, 11:32:12 AM
The owners need to pony up or sell.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 23, 2021, 11:40:39 AM
If they lose Rodgers and Adams, the entire FO should be shown the door.

Krause has a plan.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on July 23, 2021, 11:57:45 AM
Personally, I don't disagree with you. However, in playing devil's advocate here, aren't we supposed to support and trumpet his position if his refusal is due to his race?

...no?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on July 23, 2021, 12:07:00 PM
If they lose Rodgers and Adams, the entire FO should be shown the door.

Why are people just acting like the Packers can't turn around and franchise him?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 23, 2021, 12:08:04 PM
Why are people just acting like the Packers can't turn around and franchise him?

Because that is no way to negotiate a long term deal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on July 23, 2021, 12:19:26 PM
If Rodgers doesn't return, trade Devante while they can.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 23, 2021, 12:51:17 PM
Vikings fired their OL coach for refusing to be vaccinated.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 23, 2021, 12:52:32 PM
Because that is no way to negotiate a long term deal.

It certainly isn't this year anymore, as the deadline has passed.

The Panthers franchised their outstanding RT, Taylor Moton, and had until July 15 to work out a long-term deal. They got it done a couple hours before the deadline.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 23, 2021, 12:53:30 PM
Vikings fired their OL coach for refusing to be vaccinated.

I hear there's a worker shortage, so he should be able to find a job somewhere they don't mandate vaccinations.

Arby's perhaps?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 23, 2021, 12:54:20 PM
Vikings fired their OL coach for refusing to be vaccinated.

There was talk about replacing him earlier in the offseason cause their OL hasnt been good.  This probably just aligns nicely for them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 23, 2021, 01:20:04 PM
There was talk about replacing him earlier in the offseason cause their OL hasnt been good.  This probably just aligns nicely for them.

Yup. There absolutely also will be guys cut for refusing the vaccine. Stars will not be among them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 23, 2021, 01:22:07 PM
If Rodgers doesn't return, trade Devante while they can.

Good idea. We should aspire to be Detroit.  ::)

(Sorry, Tower.)

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on July 23, 2021, 02:30:46 PM
Vikings fired their OL coach for refusing to be vaccinated.

It is unclear what his actual job responsibilities were that they will now need to replace, since by all reasonable metrics, it did not include coaching offensive linemen.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on July 23, 2021, 03:23:31 PM
The NFL ain’t messing around. If you’re a assistant coach and not vaccinated, you’re not going to have a job this season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 23, 2021, 05:24:50 PM
I wouldn’t care if they cut every player who wants to prolong Covid and spread the virus.

Get rid of them all. Can’t wait to see how understanding teammates will be when they lose a game check.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on July 24, 2021, 12:26:02 AM
I believed it on draft night, and definitely believe it even more so now, Rodgers has played his last game as a Packer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 24, 2021, 08:00:23 AM
I believed it on draft night, and definitely believe it even more so now, Rodgers has played his last game as a Packer.

Due to the Last Dance post? Maybe Green Bay is toxic, but I feel they might not find grass to be greener on the other side.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on July 24, 2021, 08:41:12 AM
I believed it on draft night, and definitely believe it even more so now, Rodgers has played his last game as a Packer.

I think you may be right, and I said it then and still believe it. I think a big unspoken part of this is his new fiancee, who I don't think is excited about being in Green Bay, and has inspired this new Zen-mental health mode in Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on July 24, 2021, 08:58:59 AM
Vegas has taken GB win totals off the board completely, as well as NFC North division odds.

He gone.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 24, 2021, 08:59:37 AM
Vegas has taken GB win totals off the board completely.

He gone.

Good.  He’s a loser
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on July 24, 2021, 10:20:58 AM
Still disagree. He'll be here, but it will be his last season in GB.

I thought maybe they could work something out long term but the damage seems too severe.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on July 24, 2021, 10:32:17 AM
Still disagree. He'll be here, but it will be his last season in GB.

I thought maybe they could work something out long term but the damage seems too severe.

I so badly want Love to just kill it this season and show everyone why the Packers had such faith in moving up to get him.  Then remainder of Rodgers career to go the way of Favre post GB. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on July 24, 2021, 10:43:44 AM
Look, Aaron Rodgers is among the best raw talent quarterbacks I’ve ever seen. He has Brett Favre’s body and Bart Starr’s mind. He really is something special.

But, his record is mediocre, at best. Only one Super Bowl win. Compare that to Tom Brady, for whom I have a healthy dislike but acknowledge he is someone special. Brady wins the big ones. Rodgers whines.

I’m not inside Aaron’s head but I suspect this latest temper tantrum goes back to hiring Matt LeFevre as head coach. Rodgers was told there was a new sheriff in town and to tow the line. Aaron didn’t like that, especially when the offense became more balanced. Add an apparent desire to host Jeopardy and a decision to kick a field goal in the NFC Championship and you have a ragingly whiney quarterback who has worn out his welcome in Wisconsin.

Trade him, even up, for DeShone Watson. Send him to the NFL backwater and see how he likes it!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 24, 2021, 10:52:18 AM
I think the Packers have made their decision. They will not trade Rodgers , instead they will sit back and collect the money Rodgers owes them contractually.
Maybe next year they will trade Rodgers when they know what the value of the draft choices they will receive is.

Packers management  has no accountability for winning and losing ;and know Lambeau will still sell out all its capacity for the next twenty years . so they are going to do the most expedient thing financially which is to tell Rodgers to pound sand.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on July 24, 2021, 10:59:56 AM
Rodgers/ Adams comparing themselves in tandem to Jordan/ Pippen is so laughable. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 24, 2021, 11:24:50 AM
Rodgers/ Adams comparing themselves in tandem to Jordan/ Pippen is so laughable.

Yea. Not really sure Adams’ beef. Granted, this is pretty much where we were with Jones a year before and he signed.

Packers really lucked out with the Bucks run. Kind of interesting to see the difference with Giannis these last few weeks compared with Rodgers. We might have a new favorite player in the state.

Then again the Packers are a religion and once Rodgers starts slinging TDs again much will be forgotten.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on July 24, 2021, 11:35:57 AM
Wow. Folks have really turned on AR quickly!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on July 24, 2021, 11:38:14 AM
 If Packers lose both Rodgers and Adams then Gutey and Murphy both have to go. That is an absolutely devastating loss.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 24, 2021, 11:54:35 AM
Look, Aaron Rodgers is among the best raw talent quarterbacks I’ve ever seen. He has Brett Favre’s body and Bart Starr’s mind. He really is something special.

But, his record is mediocre, at best. Only one Super Bowl win. Compare that to Tom Brady, for whom I have a healthy dislike but acknowledge he is someone special. Brady wins the big ones. Rodgers whines.

I’m not inside Aaron’s head but I suspect this latest temper tantrum goes back to hiring Matt LeFevre as head coach. Rodgers was told there was a new sheriff in town and to tow the line. Aaron didn’t like that, especially when the offense became more balanced. Add an apparent desire to host Jeopardy and a decision to kick a field goal in the NFC Championship and you have a ragingly whiney quarterback who has worn out his welcome in Wisconsin.

Trade him, even up, for DeShone Watson. Send him to the NFL backwater and see how he likes it!

You hate AR so much that you prefer a QB who assaults women? That’s pretty sad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on July 24, 2021, 11:56:27 AM
once Rodgers starts slinging TDs again much will be forgotten.

Not for me.  And it really will be remembered once he stinks up another NFC Championship game like he’s become so adept at doing- 83.7 qbr, 9TD, 8INT, 1-4.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on July 24, 2021, 11:56:49 AM
Look, Aaron Rodgers is among the best raw talent quarterbacks I’ve ever seen. He has Brett Favre’s body and Bart Starr’s mind. He really is something special.

But, his record is mediocre, at best. Only one Super Bowl win. Compare that to Tom Brady, for whom I have a healthy dislike but acknowledge he is someone special. Brady wins the big ones. Rodgers whines.

I’m not inside Aaron’s head but I suspect this latest temper tantrum goes back to hiring Matt LeFevre as head coach. Rodgers was told there was a new sheriff in town and to tow the line. Aaron didn’t like that, especially when the offense became more balanced. Add an apparent desire to host Jeopardy and a decision to kick a field goal in the NFC Championship and you have a ragingly whiney quarterback who has worn out his welcome in Wisconsin.

Trade him, even up, for DeShone Watson. Send him to the NFL backwater and see how he likes it!

I don't think this is accurate at all. AR and MLF are friends. AR has gone out of his way a few times to say he loves his coaches. MLF's offense helped Rodgers improve his level of play.

If he commits to playing this year most fans will welcome him with open arms.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on July 24, 2021, 12:00:24 PM
Not for me.  And it really will be remembered once he stinks up another NFC Championship game like he’s become so adept at doing- 83.7 qbr, 9TD, 8INT, 1-4.

Rodgers was excellent and outplayed Brady in the 2021 NFC Championship game. He was good against Atlanta in 2016 but the rest of the team was severely outmached. He was mediocre in the other three.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 24, 2021, 12:03:04 PM
You hate AR so much that you prefer a QB who assaults women? That’s pretty sad.

Yea if Rodgers doesn’t play, you have to ride with Love or signor trade for a Flacco/FitzMagic type to be a bridge. I don’t know who out there fits the mold at the moment.

Honestly, Love would be walking into the best possible situation from a team makeup this year. Great OL, weapons at RB/WR, good defense. The issue would be fans expect this team to compete for a SB and a holding out Rodgers looming in the background.

Watson may not ever play in the NFL again.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on July 24, 2021, 12:05:42 PM
If Za’Darius Smith is now seeking an exit out of Green Bay as well, this could be an ugly season for the Pack.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 24, 2021, 12:09:56 PM
If Za’Darius Smith is now seeking an exit out of Green Bay as well, this could be an ugly season for the Pack.

Based on the article I read, Smith should be more angry at his agent than the Packers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on July 24, 2021, 12:13:33 PM
Rodgers was excellent and outplayed Brady in the 2021 NFC Championship game. He was good against Atlanta in 2016 but the rest of the team was severely outmached. He was mediocre in the other three.

Brady generally had a poor 2nd half, but as usual provided dagger with the game on the line, while his 3 TD’s by mid third quarter staked Tampa to their big lead.

Rodgers with the game on the line, 0-3 from the Bucs 8.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 24, 2021, 12:24:18 PM
If Za’Darius Smith is now seeking an exit out of Green Bay as well, this could be an ugly season for the Pack.

He isn't, put your vuvuzelas away, Chicago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on July 24, 2021, 12:24:53 PM
If Za’Darius Smith is now seeking an exit out of Green Bay as well, this could be an ugly season for the Pack.

Non story.  He clarified his original tweet.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Ardmore Mug on July 24, 2021, 01:46:03 PM
If Za’Darius Smith is now seeking an exit out of Green Bay as well, this could be an ugly season for the Pack.


I saw He was quoted on a Tweet   that he is looking for a Real estate agent to help him look for a house   8-)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on July 24, 2021, 03:37:00 PM
I should clarify, Smith is 100% looking for new paper. I know you guys think it’s a non-story, but his original tweet was by no means an accident.

If he doesn’t get new paper, he’ll be seeking an out, and that’ll certainly be communicated before the end of the season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on July 24, 2021, 05:28:59 PM
I’m not inside Aaron’s head but I suspect this latest temper tantrum goes back to hiring Matt LeFevre as head coach. Rodgers was told there was a new sheriff in town and to tow the line. Aaron didn’t like that, especially when the offense became more balanced.
Pretty sure this is completely inaccurate. It's well documented that after LaFleur was hired, he and Rodgers put in a ton of time together completely reworking the offense to Rodgers' desire, tossing out a bunch of stuff and adding to what was working. That includes having a more balanced offense, which Rodgers praised many times.

Whatever the source of his discontent, it isn't LaFleur or the play calling.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 24, 2021, 06:22:00 PM
I should clarify, Smith is 100% looking for new paper. I know you guys think it’s a non-story, but his original tweet was by no means an accident.

If he doesn’t get new paper, he’ll be seeking an out, and that’ll certainly be communicated before the end of the season.

That’s not exactly a surprise, right? The Packers had to do a bunch this off-season to get under the lowered (or lower than expected) and basically set it up to run it back one year with this group. They kicked the van down the road one year. Especially, with having to pay Adam’s and Alexander.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 24, 2021, 06:40:21 PM
Rodgers is a loser.  Next man up
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 24, 2021, 06:42:50 PM
Pretty sure this is completely inaccurate. It's well documented that after LaFleur was hired, he and Rodgers put in a ton of time together completely reworking the offense to Rodgers' desire, tossing out a bunch of stuff and adding to what was working. That includes having a more balanced offense, which Rodgers praised many times.

Whatever the source of his discontent, it isn't LaFleur or the play calling.

Exactly. When LaFleur was hired, I said that If Aaron believed LaFleur was the smartest guy in the room that they would get along fine. And he is the smartest guy.

Aaron clearly believed McCarthy was incapable of running a modern offense. He saw right away that LaFleur is.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 24, 2021, 06:46:09 PM
Rodgers is a loser.  Next man up

Love is next up. He has never been considered ready enough to wear a Packer jersey on game day. By the 3rd game Blake Bortles will be the next man up.

A lot to look forward to.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on July 24, 2021, 07:00:19 PM
You hate AR so much that you prefer a QB who assaults women? That’s pretty sad.

Brother Jockey

It’s not hate, it is business. I want something back where I lose almost nothing. I want a remorseful Watson who can use the tools assembled for Rodgers and get the Packers to the Super Bowl now.

Maybe JLove is the answer for Green Bay. But that won’t be for a couple more years. Send Rodgers to the AFC and we may not ever see him again. Watson has problems, I know, but perhaps he should have a second chance and a chance to redeem himself in a new city.

Yes, I know, free agency et al, and he could be a Detroit Lion. But my best is he ends up with the Chargers or the Vegas Raiders.

It sure as heck is better than Blake Bortels.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 24, 2021, 07:06:35 PM
Love is next up. He has never been considered ready enough to wear a Packer jersey on game day. By the 3rd game Blake Bortles will be the next man up.

A lot to look forward to.

Bring it on. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 24, 2021, 08:49:24 PM
I think you may be right, and I said it then and still believe it. I think a big unspoken part of this is his new fiancee, who I don't think is excited about being in Green Bay, and has inspired this new Zen-mental health mode in Rodgers.

Don't let him get away with that nonsense narrative.  Whether or not its a PR relationship like his last 2 notable relationships (Ive seen people who just met in line at the supermarket who liked being around each other more than Rodgers and Danica anytime they were in public), during the season it was reported all over that Woodley loved GB and really enjoyed spending time there during the season with Rodgers.  Then all of a sudden, once Rodgers and the FO had their fracture, suddenly Shailene didn't like GB and she's had this profound influence on Rodgers mental state.  Its all just a narrative crafted by his camp like everything else about his off the field persona.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 24, 2021, 08:56:08 PM
Brother Jockey

It’s not hate, it is business. I want something back where I lose almost nothing. I want a remorseful Watson who can use the tools assembled for Rodgers and get the Packers to the Super Bowl now.

Maybe JLove is the answer for Green Bay. But that won’t be for a couple more years. Send Rodgers to the AFC and we may not ever see him again. Watson has problems, I know, but perhaps he should have a second chance and a chance to redeem himself in a new city.

Yes, I know, free agency et al, and he could be a Detroit Lion. But my best is he ends up with the Chargers or the Vegas Raiders.

It sure as heck is better than Blake Bortels.

I have seen zero remorse from Watson. I have been a Packers fan for life and there would be a big hole if I stopped being a fan cuz the Packers decided to go with an unrepentant se Hal criminal.

Maybe then they could get a rapist to replace a selfish Davante Adams.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 24, 2021, 10:09:05 PM
My guess is that Blake Bortals will be the starting the first few games . Keeps the pressure off Love that way. Haven’t looked at the schedule but Bortals can keep can probably keep the team competitive

 If Bortals sucks , then Love gets a chance under theory of why not try him out .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 25, 2021, 07:57:36 AM
My guess is that Blake Bortals will be the starting the first few games . Keeps the pressure off Love that way. Haven’t looked at the schedule but Bortals can keep can probably keep the team competitive

 If Bortals sucks , then Love gets a chance under theory of why not try him out .

What evidence is there that a terrible QB can keep the team competitive?

I would posit that there is none.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 25, 2021, 08:38:22 AM
NFL players in vaccination process now up to 80%

From the AP:

The number of NFL players in the COVID-19 vaccination process has reached 80%, with nine teams having 90% or more of their players in that category.

Dr. Allen Sills, the league’s medical director, said Friday that nearly all Tier 1 and Tier 2 team employees — those who deal directly with players — have been vaccinated. Five teams are at less than 70% of players who have either received one vaccination shot or both. He is optimistic the number of vaccinated players will continue to rise as training camps open.

“I think we are off to an excellent start,” Sills said. “Those numbers are much higher than what we’re seeing in society as a whole. There has been a lot of movement in that area. As you see players coming to training camp, you will see more players beginning that process (of vaccination).”

Sills cited teams having strong advocates for vaccination among players and coaches, as well as the educational materials available.

“What matters is that individuals have the most accurate information," Sills said. "Let’s not get information from Instagram or Facebook posts. Let’s try to hear from the most reputable professionals. You don’t shout anyone into belief here — there have to be thoughtful conversations. What we can do is provide the facts and make sure the entirety of the medical facts are presented.”
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 25, 2021, 09:39:11 AM
What evidence is there that a terrible QB can keep the team competitive?

I would posit that there is none.

Blake Bortles isn't a terrible QB.  He completes at a decent clip, he is big, and has a decent TD/INT ratio.  The Packers could do a lot worse than BB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 25, 2021, 10:55:02 AM
Blake Bortles isn't a terrible QB.  He completes at a decent clip, he is big, and has a decent TD/INT ratio.  The Packers could do a lot worse than BB.

103-75 is NOT a decent TD/INT rate. In fact, it is terrible. His completion rate is in the 50's. Again, that is terrible in today's NFL. He was cut by a team with an awful starting QB. He was also cut by the Broncos. He was cut by the Rams.

Bortles is the very definition of terrible. If he is the QB for the Packers this year, they will finish behind the Lions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 25, 2021, 11:02:47 AM
I have seen zero remorse from Watson. I have been a Packers fan for life and there would be a big hole if I stopped being a fan cuz the Packers decided to go with an unrepentant se Hal criminal.

Maybe then they could get a rapist to replace a selfish Davante Adams.

Watson is in the midst of an ongoing investigation.  He is not scheduled to be deposed until early 2022.  If he has a legitimate case, coming out and showing remorse and/or asking for forgiveness would be extremely detrimental to his case, both criminally and civilly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 25, 2021, 01:14:45 PM
103-75 is NOT a decent TD/INT rate. In fact, it is terrible. His completion rate is in the 50's. Again, that is terrible in today's NFL. He was cut by a team with an awful starting QB. He was also cut by the Broncos. He was cut by the Rams.

Bortles is the very definition of terrible. If he is the QB for the Packers this year, they will finish behind the Lions.

59.3 for his career.  Name me a good player he played with, I'll wait.  Not to mention he was at a mess of an organization for most of his career.  The Packers could and have done a lot worse.  Remember Brett Hundley?  Scott Tolzein?  Seneca Wallace?  We were going to go with DeShone Kizer... remember that?

Bortles is better than every single one of those guys, and its not even close.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 25, 2021, 01:48:53 PM
59.3 for his career.  Name me a good player he played with, I'll wait.  Not to mention he was at a mess of an organization for most of his career.  The Packers could and have done a lot worse.  Remember Brett Hundley?  Scott Tolzein?  Seneca Wallace?  We were going to go with DeShone Kizer... remember that?

Bortles is better than every single one of those guys, and its not even close.

Who said we were going to win with Kizer. He was acquired as a backup. As a matter of fact, all the guys you mentioned were acquired to be backups. Not one was an NFL caliber QB.

Being better than those guys is not the compliment you think it is.

If Bortles is our QB, we will finish last and Gutey and Murphy will be gone by next year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: reinko on July 25, 2021, 01:57:08 PM
Who said we were going to win with Kizer. He was acquired as a backup. As a matter of fact, all the guys you mentioned were acquired to be backups. Not one was an NFL caliber QB.

Being better than those guys is not the compliment you think it is.

If Bortles is our QB, we will finish last and Gutey and Murphy will be gone by next year.

I will take that bet, that if BB is our starting QB for a majority of our games this year, GB will not be last in the division.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 25, 2021, 01:58:20 PM
Who said we were going to win with Kizer. He was acquired as a backup. As a matter of fact, all the guys you mentioned were acquired to be backups. Not one was an NFL caliber QB.

Being better than those guys is not the compliment you think it is.

If Bortles is our QB, we will finish last and Gutey and Murphy will be gone by next year.

Bortles was signed to be our backup.  What is the argument here?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 25, 2021, 02:01:21 PM
I will take that bet, that if BB is our starting QB for a majority of our games this year, GB will not be last in the division.

Same.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 25, 2021, 05:11:07 PM
Bortles was signed to be our backup.  What is the argument here?

I responded to a post that said Bortles will keep GB competitive if he is the starter.

He won’t. If you still think I’m wrong, check the over/under for wins from Vegas if Bortles is the QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on July 25, 2021, 05:13:57 PM
I responded to a post that said Bortles will keep GB competitive if he is the starter.

He won’t. If you still think I’m wrong, check the over/under for wins from Vegas if Bortles is the QB.

The NFC North stinks. The Packers have enough outside of the QB position, and a good enough coach, that they would be competitive in the NFC North. They wouldn’t be a Super Bowl contender.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 26, 2021, 10:22:06 AM
Is anyone going to the Packers Annual Shareholders Meeting today?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 26, 2021, 11:57:33 AM
Commentator saying Rodgers says to friends he intends to play for GB this season.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1419701759149330446

Gutekunst says hopeful for a positive outcome
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 26, 2021, 12:13:10 PM
Commentator saying Rodgers says to friends he intends to play for GB this season.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1419701759149330446

Gutekunst says hopeful for a positive outcome

Guessing Rodgers made his point, but also knew his only real choice this year was retire or play. Even with a holdout, I don’t think the Packers trade him.

The big thing is going to be what happens at the end of this year. If he plays well and the Packers bump up the guarantee commitment, does he take it or feel the damage has been done?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on July 26, 2021, 12:44:16 PM
I thought there was too much smoke going around (in many different areas), and figured Rodgers wouldn’t come back. I’m fine being wrong here, and often said he’s my favorite NFL player to watch. His career in GB deserved better closure to it than him not playing this year. Hopefully both sides can get through 2021, and wait to see from there. I was probably wrong about 2021, but barring a big money/fully guaranteed extension, I still would expect him elsewhere in 22.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 26, 2021, 12:59:38 PM
I still think Rodgers has great leverage. The Packers are legit SB contenders with him; they are also-rans without him. That's the kind of leverage Emmitt Smith had way back when, and it ended up getting Smith what then was a landmark contract.

And unlike Smith back then, Rodgers already is a millionaire many times over. In other words, he's "Eff-you rich."

One could make a reasonable argument that Rodgers' age robs him of much of his leverage. But Brady won two Super Bowls at a more advanced age, and Rodgers showed in winning MVP last season that he's not slowing down at all.

But I guess, in the end, Rodgers just wants to play this season - period - so he isn't willing to push his leverage.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on July 26, 2021, 01:03:10 PM
I thought there was too much smoke going around (in many different areas), and figured Rodgers wouldn’t come back. I’m fine being wrong here, and often said he’s my favorite NFL player to watch. His career in GB deserved better closure to it than him not playing this year. Hopefully both sides can get through 2021, and wait to see from there. I was probably wrong about 2021, but barring a big money/fully guaranteed extension, I still would expect him elsewhere in 22.

Homer has been saying he'll play the whole time.  And really once the draft past, there was no way GB would trade him.  The choice was sit or play and this guy can't stay out of the spot light.

He was always going to play. 

It's so curious to me that he chose this moment in time to make his stand.

Currently at his disposal:

#1 WR in the NFL
#1 LT in the NFL
#2 Offensive Line in the NFL
#3 Corner back in the NFL
#4 Edge Rusher in the NFL
#5 Interior Defensive Lineman in the NFL
#6 Running Back in the NFL
Plus a highly innovative coach who (arguably) saved his career

If he wanted out while Ted Thompson was (sadly) asleep at the wheel, fine.  What MLF and Gutey have done to surround him with talent is staggering.  If he wants to win a Super Bowl, he should tuck it and run on 3rd down when it's 3rd and goal.  His defense turned Tom Brady over 3 times in the 2nd half of the NFC Championship game at Lambeau and he couldn't capitalize.  Maybe the problem is 12.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 26, 2021, 01:05:26 PM
I thought there was too much smoke going around (in many different areas), and figured Rodgers wouldn’t come back. I’m fine being wrong here, and often said he’s my favorite NFL player to watch. His career in GB deserved better closure to it than him not playing this year. Hopefully both sides can get through 2021, and wait to see from there. I was probably wrong about 2021, but barring a big money/fully guaranteed extension, I still would expect him elsewhere in 22.

We disagreed about this year (yet to be determined), but agree completely with you about next year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 26, 2021, 01:19:27 PM
Homer has been saying he'll play the whole time.  And really once the draft past, there was no way GB would trade him.  The choice was sit or play and this guy can't stay out of the spot light.

He was always going to play. 

It's so curious to me that he chose this moment in time to make his stand.

Currently at his disposal:

#1 WR in the NFL
#1 LT in the NFL
#2 Offensive Line in the NFL
#3 Corner back in the NFL
#4 Edge Rusher in the NFL
#5 Interior Defensive Lineman in the NFL
#6 Running Back in the NFL
Plus a highly innovative coach who (arguably) saved his career

If he wanted out while Ted Thompson was (sadly) asleep at the wheel, fine.  What MLF and Gutey have done to surround him with talent is staggering.  If he wants to win a Super Bowl, he should tuck it and run on 3rd down when it's 3rd and goal.  His defense turned Tom Brady over 3 times in the 2nd half of the NFC Championship game at Lambeau and he couldn't capitalize.  Maybe the problem is 12.

He is the problem.  He’s a loser
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 26, 2021, 01:20:22 PM
I still think Rodgers has great leverage. The Packers are legit SB contenders with him; they are also-rans without him. That's the kind of leverage Emmitt Smith had way back when, and it ended up getting Smith what then was a landmark contract.

And unlike Smith back then, Rodgers already is a millionaire many times over. In other words, he's "Eff-you rich."

One could make a reasonable argument that Rodgers' age robs him of much of his leverage. But Brady won two Super Bowls at a more advanced age, and Rodgers showed in winning MVP last season that he's not slowing down at all.

But I guess, in the end, Rodgers just wants to play this season - period - so he isn't willing to push his leverage.


The fact that Rodgers is currently under contract is how he doesn't have the leverage that Smith had.  Smith wasn't under contract, although he couldn't sign with anyone else but the Cowboys, he was under no obligation to show up until they had a mutual agreement in place.  Rodgers would be fined and miss game checks if he doesn't show.

Despite what they are saying publicly, the Packers IMO wouldn't mind if he retired. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 26, 2021, 01:21:38 PM
Homer has been saying he'll play the whole time.  And really once the draft past, there was no way GB would trade him.  The choice was sit or play and this guy can't stay out of the spot light.

He was always going to play. 

It's so curious to me that he chose this moment in time to make his stand.

Currently at his disposal:

#1 WR in the NFL
#1 LT in the NFL
#2 Offensive Line in the NFL
#3 Corner back in the NFL
#4 Edge Rusher in the NFL
#5 Interior Defensive Lineman in the NFL
#6 Running Back in the NFL
Plus a highly innovative coach who (arguably) saved his career

If he wanted out while Ted Thompson was (sadly) asleep at the wheel, fine.  What MLF and Gutey have done to surround him with talent is staggering.  If he wants to win a Super Bowl, he should tuck it and run on 3rd down when it's 3rd and goal.  His defense turned Tom Brady over 3 times in the 2nd half of the NFC Championship game at Lambeau and he couldn't capitalize.  Maybe the problem is 12.


Duh.  It's because they didn't call him on draft day.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 26, 2021, 01:26:41 PM


It's so curious to me that he chose this moment in time to make his stand.


To me it is because he won MVP and almost led us to the Super Bowl. He gets to try to make a play for more guarantees. He says he threw a wrench in the plans by playing so well.

The contract is set up to give the Packers an out for when Rodgers regresses. Based on the previous 2 years it looked like it could be starting. Still very good, but not MVP level. He then came out and looked like the Rodgers of old.

He saw how many rallied around Favre and hated Thompson that offseason. I’m sure he thought that would be the reaction too and the Packers might give him more guarantees. Packers FO stuck to their guns and I think the general fan response was different than expected.

His biggest leverage this year is if Love looks years away from being ready. I think it’s tough to judge Love last year based on the Covid off-season. If he comes in and looks good in practice, the Packers may move on no matter the year Rodgers has. I think Rodgers wanted to avoid that possibility by getting more guarantees and solidifying himself for the next few years as starter.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 26, 2021, 01:34:23 PM
Favre will always be more beloved than Rodgers.  Favre retired, cried at a press conference, then changed his mind.  (I know that's not exactly what happened but...)  Rodgers just held out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 26, 2021, 01:42:47 PM

The fact that Rodgers is currently under contract is how he doesn't have the leverage that Smith had.  Smith wasn't under contract, although he couldn't sign with anyone else but the Cowboys, he was under no obligation to show up until they had a mutual agreement in place.  Rodgers would be fined and miss game checks if he doesn't show.

Despite what they are saying publicly, the Packers IMO wouldn't mind if he retired.

If Smith didn't show up while he had no contract, he wouldn't receive game checks.

If Rodgers didn't show up while he has a contract, he wouldn't receive game checks.

Smith couldn't force a trade and couldn't sign with another team.

Rodgers can't force a trade or sign with another team.

The leverage is the same ... except again, Rodgers already is a multi-bazillionaire while Smith did not have "generational money" at the time of his holdout. Rodgers could walk away and never have to even think about working another day in his life if he didn't want to; Smith didn't have that luxury. IMO, therefore, Rodgers has more leverage than Smith had.

If the Packers really would prefer that the league MVP retire, then they simply do not care if they have a legit shot at the SB in 2021. Maybe that's fine with them, but it shouldn't be fine with their fans.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on July 26, 2021, 01:56:51 PM

His defense turned Tom Brady over 3 times in the 2nd half of the NFC Championship game at Lambeau and he couldn't capitalize. 


I feel like this can never be put into public record enough.  It's never mentioned on Get Up, First Take, ATH or PTI.  It's an incredible stat, IMO.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 26, 2021, 02:00:01 PM
If Smith didn't show up while he had no contract, he wouldn't receive game checks.

If Rodgers didn't show up while he has a contract, he wouldn't receive game checks.

Smith couldn't force a trade and couldn't sign with another team.

Rodgers can't force a trade or sign with another team.

The leverage is the same ... except again, Rodgers already is a multi-bazillionaire while Smith did not have "generational money" at the time of his holdout. Rodgers could walk away and never have to even think about working another day in his life if he didn't want to; Smith didn't have that luxury. IMO, therefore, Rodgers has more leverage than Smith had.


It's clear you don't understand the CBA, his contract status, and how this would be impacted.  Not only would he forego his entire compensation for the year, the Packers would be able to claw back about $13 million from a hold out.  (Training camp fines plus prorated roster bonus.)

Spotrac
@spotrac
If Aaron Rodgers stays away from the #Packers for the entire 2021 season, he stands to lose:

- $500,000 workout bonus
- $93,085 minicamp fines
- $2.05M training camp fines
- $14.7M base salary lost
- $6.8M roster bonus unpaid
- $11.5M signing bonus recouped

Total: $35,643,085


Rodgers has nowhere near the leverage that Smith had.  Smith wasn't going to writing checks back to the team like Rodgers would have to.  Rodgers, being under contract and under an owner-friendly CBA, faces significant financial obstacles to holding out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 26, 2021, 02:55:03 PM

It's clear you don't understand the CBA, his contract status, and how this would be impacted.  Not only would he forego his entire compensation for the year, the Packers would be able to claw back about $13 million from a hold out.  (Training camp fines plus prorated roster bonus.)

Spotrac
@spotrac
If Aaron Rodgers stays away from the #Packers for the entire 2021 season, he stands to lose:

- $500,000 workout bonus
- $93,085 minicamp fines
- $2.05M training camp fines
- $14.7M base salary lost
- $6.8M roster bonus unpaid
- $11.5M signing bonus recouped

Total: $35,643,085


Rodgers has nowhere near the leverage that Smith had.  Smith wasn't going to writing checks back to the team like Rodgers would have to.  Rodgers, being under contract and under an owner-friendly CBA, faces significant financial obstacles to holding out.

Again, Rodgers already is richer than 99% of NFL players, and he has the power that being rich brings. But sure.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 26, 2021, 03:05:22 PM
Again, Rodgers already is richer than 99% of NFL players, and he has the power that being rich brings. But sure.


So your theory is that Rodgers has more leverage because he can afford to pay the Packers $13 million?

I don't think you understand how "leverage" works.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 26, 2021, 03:43:03 PM
So I am trying to figure out this negotiated deal that means Rodgers will be back in camp.  Rodgers gets a year off his deal, which is nice for him no doubt, but the Packers get salary cap flexibility which they apparently are going to use on Davante and Jaire.  I guess he is less valuable on the trade market too with only one year remaining.  And hypothetically they COULD let him play in 2022 with no tags the next year so he would be a UFA.

This seems like a lot of drama for one voidable year...or am I missing something?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 26, 2021, 03:57:11 PM
So I am trying to figure out this negotiated deal that means Rodgers will be back in camp.  Rodgers gets a year off his deal, which is nice for him no doubt, but the Packers get salary cap flexibility which they apparently are going to use on Davante and Jaire.  I guess he is less valuable on the trade market too with only one year remaining.  And hypothetically they COULD let him play in 2022 with no tags the next year so he would be a UFA.

This seems like a lot of drama for one voidable year...or am I missing something?

Any team that trades for him would certainly have a timeframe to negotiate with him for an extension.  I’d assume he’d have final say on location
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 26, 2021, 04:09:55 PM
So I am trying to figure out this negotiated deal that means Rodgers will be back in camp.  Rodgers gets a year off his deal, which is nice for him no doubt, but the Packers get salary cap flexibility which they apparently are going to use on Davante and Jaire.  I guess he is less valuable on the trade market too with only one year remaining.  And hypothetically they COULD let him play in 2022 with no tags the next year so he would be a UFA.

This seems like a lot of drama for one voidable year...or am I missing something?

As I understand it at this point, your summary seems pretty good.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 26, 2021, 05:04:00 PM
So I am trying to figure out this negotiated deal that means Rodgers will be back in camp.  Rodgers gets a year off his deal, which is nice for him no doubt, but the Packers get salary cap flexibility which they apparently are going to use on Davante and Jaire.  I guess he is less valuable on the trade market too with only one year remaining.  And hypothetically they COULD let him play in 2022 with no tags the next year so he would be a UFA.

This seems like a lot of drama for one voidable year...or am I missing something?

You're missing that his leverage helped him get most of what he wanted - ha!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 26, 2021, 05:36:20 PM
It sounds like he’s open to returning beyond this year. I’ll believe it when it happens. It also sounds like the Packers got salary cap relief with this deal, and discussions are back on with Adams.

He certainly had some leverage. He’s the MVP and a risk to hold out. He didn’t have enough to get him traded or more guaranteed years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on July 26, 2021, 05:58:04 PM
So I am trying to figure out this negotiated deal that means Rodgers will be back in camp.  Rodgers gets a year off his deal, which is nice for him no doubt, but the Packers get salary cap flexibility which they apparently are going to use on Davante and Jaire.  I guess he is less valuable on the trade market too with only one year remaining.  And hypothetically they COULD let him play in 2022 with no tags the next year so he would be a UFA.

This seems like a lot of drama for one voidable year...or am I missing something?

That's about right. This is a face-saving move for Rodgers. He wasn't likely to sniff the 2023 year anyway, whether that was being cut or extended.

That said, the year off his deal is probably significant from a trade perspective, though definitely not enough to dissuade someone from trading for him
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on July 26, 2021, 06:53:03 PM
Rumor is that he is demanding the Packers trade for...Randall Cobb??
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on July 26, 2021, 07:06:34 PM
Rumor is that he is demanding the Packers trade for...Randall Cobb??

If I'm the Packers I trade for Cobb and resign Kumerow so that I can cut them at the end of camp
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 26, 2021, 10:00:10 PM
You're missing that his leverage helped him get most of what he wanted - ha!

After pondering this some more, I think you are right. Rodgers laid out his future in the NFL giving him more power that I think I have seen before.

He is in control of his future. The Packers are just along for the ride. Brady went to TB and exerted control over personnel that Aaron never had in GB. But Brady never had the control of his future like Rodgers has now - he had to wait for free agency.

I think this is also a bad omen for Davante. The only way he stays is if he gets a bigger contract than Hopkins.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 26, 2021, 10:52:14 PM
After pondering this some more, I think you are right. Rodgers laid out his future in the NFL giving him more power that I think I have seen before.

He is in control of his future. The Packers are just along for the ride. Brady went to TB and exerted control over personnel that Aaron never had in GB. But Brady never had the control of his future like Rodgers has now - he had to wait for free agency.

I think this is also a bad omen for Davante. The only way he stays is if he gets a bigger contract than Hopkins.

I don't know enough about the Packers' financial and management situations to know what it means for Adams. But yes, we are in agreement about Rodgers having most of the cards to play here. The Packers made concessions; Rodgers gained control of his own future, and he didn't lose a penny in the process.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on July 27, 2021, 06:19:39 AM
Rodgers got nothing out of it. He wanted $45M/year, a guarantee he’d be the starting QB long term (guaranteed money for multiple years), or to be traded. He went 0 for 3. The Packers can still get out of his contract after this year. Which is what they wanted when they drafted Jordan Love in the first round.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on July 27, 2021, 07:23:44 AM
Talk about having to perform in a contract year. I think this is great for GB, Rodgers will play his ass off and if he wants a trade after the season, teams will know if they need a QB and a trade can now be done before the next draft.

The Cobb bit is interesting, wonder what he'll make and who's roster spot he'll steal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 27, 2021, 07:29:37 AM
Well, if Giannis can do it, sew kan #12, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 27, 2021, 07:51:57 AM
Rodgers got nothing out of it. He wanted $45M/year, a guarantee he’d be the starting QB long term (guaranteed money for multiple years), or to be traded. He went 0 for 3. The Packers can still get out of his contract after this year. Which is what they wanted when they drafted Jordan Love in the first round.


This is it exactly.  Rodgers wanted a guaranteed long-term deal.  Like all negotiations, each side gave a little.  (Rodgers got more flexibility by the voiding of his last year, but the Packers got the cap space they needed.)

But in the end, Rodgers had no leverage so he ended up with little.  The Packers can still trade him to whomever they wish after this season, and face little cap consequence for doing so.  And if he has another great year and the Packers want to keep him, they still have him for '22. 

If this whole thing is the right decision by the Packers is another question entirely.  But the idea that Rodgers got a bunch of "freedom" isn't accurate.  He's still playing in Green Bay this season, and the Packers can still trade him before next season.  I doubt that's what he had in mind when he started this drama.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 27, 2021, 08:25:10 AM
Congrats to Rodgers, who got most of what he wanted. And congrats to Packer fans who wanted one more chance to win a Super Bowl with the NFL's best QB under center.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 27, 2021, 08:31:39 AM
Congrats to Rodgers, who got most of what he wanted.

He didn't.  He is still on the Packers.  He is still playing under his current deal.  He can still be traded to whomever the Packers want next year...or they don't have to do that if they don't want too. 

What exactly did he get?  The ability to play where he wants two years from now instead of three?  WOW!!

As I said yesterday, he didn't have leverage.  And he wasn't going to be writing the Packers a check for $13 million.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 27, 2021, 08:56:13 AM
He didn't.  But keep spinning.


According to the reported agreement, the biggest thing  Rodgers gets is the freedom to decide where he wants to play in 2022.  No other player under a contract in the NFL has that. First NFL player to have NBA-style power.

That.sounds like a win.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 27, 2021, 09:31:41 AM

According to the reported agreement, the biggest thing  Rodgers gets is the freedom to decide where he wants to play in 2022.  No other player under a contract in the NFL has that. First NFL player to have NBA-style power.

That.sounds like a win.


I have no idea what that means, and neither do you.  If the Packers gave him an unlimited veto on any trade, then sure.  But it doesn't seem like the Packers gave him anything of the sort.

EDIT:  Furthermore, if they did, it would be largely ceremonial in the first place.  Rodgers wouldn't be traded somewhere where he wouldn't report in the first place.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 27, 2021, 09:49:58 AM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/27/what-did-aaron-rodgers-really-get-from-the-packers/

"Make no mistake about it. Rodgers caved. Rodgers folded. Rodgers surrendered."

...

"Bottom line? It’s a huge win for the Packers, and it’s also a big win for the cloud-shouting, get-off-my-lawn-yelling old-school football types who think the NFL is becoming like the NBA. Rodgers had a chance to further blur the lines between the two leagues, but as he dove for the goal line, he fumbled the ball through the end zone."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 27, 2021, 09:50:42 AM

I have no idea what that means, and neither do you.  If the Packers gave him an unlimited veto on any trade, then sure.  But it doesn't seem like the Packers gave him anything of the sort.

EDIT:  Furthermore, if they did, it would be largely ceremonial in the first place.  Rodgers wouldn't be traded somewhere where he wouldn't report in the first place.

Does the voiding the final year help with his return in a trade? I imagine any team looking to trade for him will already have an extension planned. It’s one year less of control, but more flexibility for the new team in the contract.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 27, 2021, 09:56:45 AM
The propaganda machine rolls on.  John Kuhn on the radio this morning RAVING about what a genius move this was by Rodgers and how well the Packers handled everything.  Furthermore, goes on to say that no Packers fans were actually worried, and if by some chance they were, they should have gotten out of their feelings and listened to him and known Rodgers was super smart.

Unfortunately there is no video feed to see if he had an earpiece that Rodgers was feeding him lines through.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on July 27, 2021, 10:20:07 AM
Rodgers performs as well in hold-outs as he does in NFC Championship games.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 27, 2021, 10:24:47 AM
The propaganda machine rolls on.  John Kuhn on the radio this morning RAVING about what a genius move this was by Rodgers and how well the Packers handled everything.  Furthermore, goes on to say that no Packers fans were actually worried, and if by some chance they were, they should have gotten out of their feelings and listened to him and known Rodgers was super smart.

Unfortunately there is no video feed to see if he had an earpiece that Rodgers was feeding him lines through.

Rodgers is a loser on and off the field
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 27, 2021, 10:52:32 AM
Rodgers is a loser on and off the field

He'll never amount to nuthin'!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 27, 2021, 10:54:17 AM
He'll never amount to nuthin'!

He’s a great fantasy QB
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 27, 2021, 11:04:46 AM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/07/27/what-did-aaron-rodgers-really-get-from-the-packers/

"Make no mistake about it. Rodgers caved. Rodgers folded. Rodgers surrendered."

...

"Bottom line? It’s a huge win for the Packers, and it’s also a big win for the cloud-shouting, get-off-my-lawn-yelling old-school football types who think the NFL is becoming like the NBA. Rodgers had a chance to further blur the lines between the two leagues, but as he dove for the goal line, he fumbled the ball through the end zone."

I disagree. I guess we will see the results next year..
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on July 27, 2021, 11:16:45 AM
Rodgers is a loser on and off the field

Packers fans (myself included) are so spoiled. Even by the most conservative of rankings, he's a top 15 QB of all time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 27, 2021, 11:27:58 AM
Packers fans (myself included) are so spoiled. Even by the most conservative of rankings, he's a top 15 QB of all time.

He can be a top 15 QB and a loser at the same time.  Living in Milwaukee and juxtaposing him against Giannis is something.  Really makes one appreciate those that do versus those that make excuses
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on July 27, 2021, 12:25:25 PM
He can be a top 15 QB and a loser at the same time.  Living in Milwaukee and juxtaposing him against Giannis is something.  Really makes one appreciate those that do versus those that make excuses

You said he's a loser on the field. That's simply not true compared to anybody but Brady. His on-field career has been incredible.

Won't get into the off-field stuff.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 27, 2021, 12:41:40 PM
You said he's a loser on the field. That's simply not true compared to anybody but Brady. His on-field career has been incredible.

Won't get into the off-field stuff.

Great stat padder
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 27, 2021, 12:52:13 PM
He’s a great fantasy QB

Didn't realized you disliked Rodgers so much, Unk.

One of the great things about sports is that we get to choose the athletes and teams we respect, and those we don't.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 27, 2021, 12:58:40 PM
Didn't realized you disliked Rodgers so much, Unk.

One of the great things about sports is that we get to choose the athletes and teams we respect, and those we don't.

It’s more the fans that made me dislike Rodgers.  It was the same with Favre.  Lots of excuses and whining.  Sometimes, the QB deserves part of the blame
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on July 27, 2021, 01:06:13 PM
It’s more the fans that made me dislike Rodgers.  It was the same with Favre.  Lots of excuses and whining.  Sometimes, the QB deserves part of the blame

Strange comments, is he a loser on/off the field, a stat padder or is it the fans that bother you most?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 27, 2021, 01:07:04 PM
It’s more the fans that made me dislike Rodgers.  It was the same with Favre.  Lots of excuses and whining.  Sometimes, the QB deserves part of the blame

You let fans decide who you like or dislike? That seems kinda weird to me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on July 27, 2021, 01:11:09 PM
You let fans decide who you like or dislike? That seems kinda weird to me.

got an opinion on say... Boston sports teams? Was that opinion influenced by the conduct of their fans?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 27, 2021, 01:37:55 PM
Strange comments, is he a loser on/off the field, a stat padder or is it the fans that bother you most?

All of the above.  Sports fandom isn’t rationale.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on July 27, 2021, 03:05:29 PM
Bortles released
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 27, 2021, 03:54:37 PM
Bortles released

I don't believe it!!!!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on July 27, 2021, 04:06:24 PM
I confess ... the main reason I cheer against the Badgers is their fans.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on July 27, 2021, 04:12:06 PM
You said he's a loser on the field. That's simply not true compared to anybody but Brady. His on-field career has been incredible.

Won't get into the off-field stuff.

While he's not a loser he is 1-4 in NFC Championship games.  His lone title came where his defense created 11 turnovers and 3 defensive scores in the playoffs.  He certainly was dealt a bad hand with defenses from 2013-2018 but last year in a championship game at home, his D turned the opposing team over 3 times in the 2nd half and he couldn't move the ball.  He had a chance to dive for a TD on 3rd and Goal and he chose not to run. 

None of this makes him bad but it does take him out of the GOAT conversation, a conversation that he has the natural ability to be included in.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 27, 2021, 04:30:00 PM
While he's not a loser he is 1-4 in NFC Championship games.  His lone title came where his defense created 11 turnovers and 3 defensive scores in the playoffs.  He certainly was dealt a bad hand with defenses from 2013-2018 but last year in a championship game at home, his D turned the opposing team over 3 times in the 2nd half and he couldn't move the ball.  He had a chance to dive for a TD on 3rd and Goal and he chose not to run. 

None of this makes him bad but it does take him out of the GOAT conversation, a conversation that he has the natural ability to be included in.

Everyone gives him a pass for the 2014 NFC Title game, too.  The defense forced 5 turnovers.  A lot went wrong in that game from coaching down to execution in all 3 phases but the QB had a rating of 55.4, going 19-34 with 1 TD and 2 int’s.  He has plenty of culpability in that loss
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 27, 2021, 06:21:29 PM
Bortles released

Jockey got what he wanted!

Also, it's Cobbing home!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on July 27, 2021, 07:07:31 PM
Bortles released

That's disappointing, it sure felt like he was going to realize that year 7 untapped potential that only Jay Cutler possessed
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on July 27, 2021, 08:35:25 PM
That's disappointing, it sure felt like he was going to realize that year 7 untapped potential that only Jay Cutler possessed

7 years to judge denied
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 27, 2021, 08:54:18 PM
Jockey got what he wanted!

Also, it's Cobbing home!

I would think that a huge majority of GB fans are glad to know Bortles will not be on the field.


I don’t want Cobb. He is past his prime.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on July 27, 2021, 09:25:49 PM
I don’t want Cobb. He is past his prime.
Agree. I guess if he could provide similar number to James Jones in his one year return it would be alright though?

Looking forward to Driver and Nelson back at camp too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on July 27, 2021, 10:21:46 PM
Agree. I guess if he could provide similar number to James Jones in his one year return it would be alright though?

Looking forward to Driver and Nelson back at camp too.

No room for Jennings?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 27, 2021, 11:00:54 PM
No room for Jennings?

I think that would trigger a Rodgers holdout.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on July 28, 2021, 05:36:53 AM
Cobb iz ta Rogers as Thanasis iz ta Giannis, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on July 28, 2021, 09:35:36 AM
Cobb iz ta Rogers as Thanasis iz ta Giannis, hey?

Think Kumerow was the better comp there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 28, 2021, 10:58:54 AM
Cobb is excited to return to GB

https://mobile.twitter.com/rcobb18/status/1420376481621061632
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 28, 2021, 11:10:12 AM
Cobb is excited to return to GB

https://mobile.twitter.com/rcobb18/status/1420376481621061632

Very interested to see what we gave up. Cobb’s contract is one Houston probably wants off the books being they aren’t going to compete this year. I’m hoping a 6 or 7.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 28, 2021, 11:18:01 AM
Very interested to see what we gave up. Cobb’s contract is one Houston probably wants off the books being they aren’t going to compete this year. I’m hoping a 6 or 7.
The Packers taking the contract on is a big benefit to The Texans . I hope a 6 or 7 is what it takes .

Also Cobb and Rodgers are big off the field friends . They went to the Kentucky Derby earlier this year with wife’s and girlfriends and a couple other players and Rodgers actor friends.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 28, 2021, 11:59:03 AM
I seriously thought Cobb retired a couple years ago!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 28, 2021, 12:14:30 PM
I seriously thought Cobb retired a couple years ago!

So did his QBs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 28, 2021, 12:29:38 PM
Everyone writing Cobb's NFL epitaph should realize he is only 30 and has been injured for the last couple of seasons.

Might still have something in the tank.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that his contract gets restructured.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 28, 2021, 12:50:29 PM
Everyone writing Cobb's NFL epitaph should realize he is only 30 and has been injured for the last couple of seasons.

Might still have something in the tank.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that his contract gets restructured.

I wasn't making fun of him. I just didn't remember seeing any highlights of him or seeing him play in any games I watched. And I'm stunned to hear he's only 30.

That happens sometimes. Lose track of an athlete because of injuries or whatever. For example, I was shocked to see Matt Harvey's name in an article I recently read; I thought his MLB career had been over.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 28, 2021, 01:00:24 PM
Everyone writing Cobb's NFL epitaph should realize he is only 30 and has been injured for the last couple of seasons.

Might still have something in the tank.

Also, I'd be willing to bet that his contract gets restructured.

If the over / under for catches this year is 40 for Cobb, what side would you come down on?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on July 28, 2021, 01:04:16 PM
If the over / under for catches this year is 40 for Cobb, what side would you come down on?

If he slides into the slot and does dirty possession work, I could easily see him hitting the over. Especially is 12 is looking for him. 40 is only about 2.3 receptions/game (assuming 17 played). If he steps right back into rhythm with 12 I could see him getting 2 dump off/broken play type catches per game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 28, 2021, 01:04:56 PM
If the over / under for catches this year is 40 for Cobb, what side would you come down on?

I wouldn't bet.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 28, 2021, 01:14:24 PM
I wouldn't bet.

Taking the easy way out? ;)

No money or bets on the line, just looking for an opinion.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 28, 2021, 01:19:56 PM
Taking the easy way out? ;)

No money or bets on the line, just looking for an opinion.

I just don't see the relevance in stating my opinion.  I am hoping he has something left in the tank at 30 years old.

If you're going to push it, I'll take the over because of the previous relationship with Rodgers, and the general lack of depth at WR.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on July 28, 2021, 01:36:12 PM
If the over / under for catches this year is 40 for Cobb, what side would you come down on?
I'd most definitely take the over. Rodgers is going to be highly motivated to prove what a personnel genius he is, particularly since that seems to be source of much of his discontent, and will be looking for Cobb. A lot.

This will have a lot less to do with Cobb's remaining physical capabilities (barring injuries) and everything to do with Rodgers wanting to prove how smart he is.

Rodgers demanded the trade, he is going to be really, really invested in making sure it works out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 28, 2021, 01:58:27 PM
Rodgers was pretty candid in his presser today. It sounds like he’s offered to help and provide input, but basically pushed away. I can see how it is frustrating, but also see how his personal relationships could skew his view. Many of the guys he wanted to keep were past their prime. Paying aging veterans is a quick way to get into a bad salary cap position.

Based on that, I’d be surprised if he’s back next year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 28, 2021, 02:19:05 PM
If the over / under for catches this year is 40 for Cobb, what side would you come down on?

Under.  He’s done
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 28, 2021, 02:20:48 PM
I'd most definitely take the over. Rodgers is going to be highly motivated to prove what a personnel genius he is, particularly since that seems to be source of much of his discontent, and will be looking for Cobb. A lot.

This will have a lot less to do with Cobb's remaining physical capabilities (barring injuries) and everything to do with Rodgers wanting to prove how smart he is.

Rodgers demanded the trade, he is going to be really, really invested in making sure it works out.

I think it will be under based on drafting Amari Rodgers. If he is what they say he is, he will take a lot of snaps from Cobb. Younger, faster, more versatile. Obviously, a lot less experience. But if he gets open easier than Cobb, he will play a lot. And Arod will want him on the field.

But these are all things that will be answered once the games start.

First things first, though. Bucks won. Brewers are next - then GB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on July 28, 2021, 03:54:35 PM
I think it will be under based on drafting Amari Rodgers. If he is what they say he is, he will take a lot of snaps from Cobb. Younger, faster, more versatile. Obviously, a lot less experience. But if he gets open easier than Cobb, he will play a lot. And Arod will want him on the field.

But these are all things that will be answered once the games start.

First things first, though. Bucks won. Brewers are next - then GB.

Maybe so. If Amari takes snaps away it will be good for the Packers. But, James Jones had 50 receptions, 8 TDs and averaged over 17 yards per catch.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 28, 2021, 04:00:59 PM
Maybe so. If Amari takes snaps away it will be good for the Packers. But, James Jones had 50 receptions, 8 TDs and averaged over 17 yards per catch.

This team is deeper at WR
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on July 28, 2021, 04:03:06 PM
This team is deeper at WR
Yeah but none of these guys will wear hooded sweatshirts under their jerseys I bet.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 28, 2021, 04:03:09 PM
This team is deeper at WR


Yeah, I think Lazard is going to have an awesome year.  In fact, I think WR is not a worry at all heading into this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 28, 2021, 04:05:26 PM
This team is deeper at WR

Where?  Aside from Adams... Lazard has been up and down, EQSTB has been pretty bad, MVS is great when he can catch the ball... but that is a major problem he has always had.  Amari Rodgers looks promising, but it unproven.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 28, 2021, 04:42:37 PM

Yeah, I think Lazard is going to have an awesome year.  In fact, I think WR is not a worry at all heading into this year.

The offense is multi-dimensional with the backfield and a productive TE in Tonyan.  Plus, Adams had 115 catches last year.  LaFleur’s offense has been pretty darn good.

When people say add weapons, a slot WR with diminishing returns isn’t what I’d have in mind but I’m not a Packers blogger.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 28, 2021, 04:54:04 PM
I’m seeing a lot of people saying that Rodgers’ presser is proof that the team has treated him unfairly and deserve for him to leave. I guess I saw a guy who is great at cradling a narrative, but is just upset he has little guaranteed money beyond this year.

Maybe he deserves to be part of some personnel discussions, but it seems he was a bit upset they didn’t take his advice on a few things. Overpaying veterans is a good way to get in cap trouble.

Maybe I’m cynical, but I didn’t gain too much out of it. I think it’s pretty well established the Packer FO is not great at communicating. However, the Patriots are the gold standard and they seem even more ruthless when getting rid of veterans. I just feel the grass won’t be greener for him at his next team. Or his way is how not how you build a perennial playoff team for a 30 year period.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on July 28, 2021, 06:31:46 PM
Where?  Aside from Adams... Lazard has been up and down, EQSTB has been pretty bad, MVS is great when he can catch the ball... but that is a major problem he has always had.  Amari Rodgers looks promising, but it unproven.
Well, Cobb, amari rodgers and funchess make it deeper plus the continued development of mvs and Lazard. I think eq is odd man out.  This is an offense that was already #1 in the league so I am sure they aren't  worried about the wr and tight end group.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on July 28, 2021, 06:57:32 PM
At worst, the WRs plateau and they've added Rodgers. I don't know how much more they can expect out of Tonyan, but they are hopeful DeGuaura can come back healthy and be another piece.

And Dillon has real potential to be an enhanced 2nd running back.

The OL early on is a concern with Bahk out and Linsley gone. Really the only reason to think they can't be just as good
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 29, 2021, 06:30:15 AM
Well, Cobb, amari rodgers and funchess make it deeper plus the continued development of mvs and Lazard. I think eq is odd man out.  This is an offense that was already #1 in the league so I am sure they aren't  worried about the wr and tight end group.

Ah, yes, I did forget about Funchess.

Also, looks like the Packers fleeced the Texans for Cobb.  6th rounder and they're eating over $3 mil of his contract.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 29, 2021, 08:59:43 AM
Ah, yes, I did forget about Funchess.

As we Panthers fans like to say, you can't spell Funchess without F-U-N.

The most fun, though, was when the team dumped him. Slow receivers who run mediocre routes and drop too many passes aren't the best weapons ... though maybe he'll become a star with a great QB throwing to him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on July 29, 2021, 09:11:56 AM
As we Panthers fans like to say, you can't spell Funchess without F-U-N.

The most fun, though, was when the team dumped him. Slow receivers who run mediocre routes and drop too many passes aren't the best weapons ... though maybe he'll become a star with a great QB throwing to him.

At least one preseason analysis (espn maybe?) rated him as the team's most likely to be cut veteran. I'm expecting nothing from him and will be pleasantly surprised if I end up wrong.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on July 29, 2021, 09:21:51 AM
At least one preseason analysis (espn maybe?) rated him as the team's most likely to be cut veteran. I'm expecting nothing from him and will be pleasantly surprised if I end up wrong.

Yes, as we learned pretty quickly here, that's a good attitude for a fan to have about him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jsglow on July 29, 2021, 09:57:46 AM
I’m seeing a lot of people saying that Rodgers’ presser is proof that the team has treated him unfairly and deserve for him to leave. I guess I saw a guy who is great at cradling a narrative, but is just upset he has little guaranteed money beyond this year.

Maybe he deserves to be part of some personnel discussions, but it seems he was a bit upset they didn’t take his advice on a few things. Overpaying veterans is a good way to get in cap trouble.

Maybe I’m cynical, but I didn’t gain too much out of it. I think it’s pretty well established the Packer FO is not great at communicating. However, the Patriots are the gold standard and they seem even more ruthless when getting rid of veterans. I just feel the grass won’t be greener for him at his next team. Or his way is how not how you build a perennial playoff team for a 30 year period.

Well written. If you look back at the Packers over the tenure of Rodgers career, they did an above average job of cutting guys loose at about the right time.  Most went on to one or two years of mediocre performance at somewhat inflated salaries after their departure before exiting the league.  And I don't remember Jordy or Kuhn complaining after their careers ended.  It's a cut throat business and everyone understands that.  Of course there were 'misses' on guys they should have retained (Hyde, for example).  But nobody bats 1.000%. 

I do think this isn't really about the Packers doing it to other guys as Rodgers claims.  It's about the Packers doing it to HIM. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 29, 2021, 10:07:50 AM
So apparently Rodgers' doesn't have a new contract yet?

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1420743838625304577
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 29, 2021, 10:48:43 AM
I do think this isn't really about the Packers doing it to other guys as Rodgers claims.  It's about the Packers doing it to HIM.

I agree. Throwing out names of people fans loved.

I was surprised at how forceful he was that the leaks didn’t come from his side. I don’t know why the Packers would speak this unless they really thought he wasn’t coming back and wanted to paint Rodgers as unreasonable.

That doesn’t seem to me to benefit Jordan Love though based on how ugly the Favre situation was for the replacement.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 29, 2021, 10:59:08 AM
Well written. If you look back at the Packers over the tenure of Rodgers career, they did an above average job of cutting guys loose at about the right time.  Most went on to one or two years of mediocre performance at somewhat inflated salaries after their departure before exiting the league.  And I don't remember Jordy or Kuhn complaining after their careers ended.  It's a cut throat business and everyone understands that.  Of course there were 'misses' on guys they should have retained (Hyde, for example).  But nobody bats 1.000%. 

I do think this isn't really about the Packers doing it to other guys as Rodgers claims.  It's about the Packers doing it to HIM.


So here are the names he listed....


Charles Woodson - Went on to have a couple of good, but not great seasons, but had a huge cap number that they weren't going to pay
Jordy Nelson - He was done
Julius peppers - He was done
Clay Matthews - He was more than done
Randall Cobb - Probably could have gotten another year or two out of him
James Jones - Never a top guy.  Pretty much done.
John Kuhn - LOL OK
Brett Goode - LOL OK
TJ Lang - Didn't miss him one bit
Brian Bulaga - Didn't miss him last year.  We will see.
Casey Hayward - This was a miss.
Micah Hyde - This was a miss.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUfan12 on July 29, 2021, 11:25:18 AM
Totally agree with your list. Hayward and Hyde were the only two they really missed on.

But that's part of the deal in a hard cap league. Can't pay everyone. Aaron knows this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on July 29, 2021, 11:36:17 AM
Totally agree with your list. Hayward and Hyde were the only two they really missed on.

But that's part of the deal in a hard cap league. Can't pay everyone. Aaron knows this.

What really blows is how the Packers have wasted Rodgers final years on back to back 5-11 teams.  When you have a talent like 12 you should be in the NFC Championship game.  You should have homefield throughout the playoffs.  You should surround him with All Pro's at WR + LT + RB + OL + DT + Edge Rusher + DB.  What the Packers have done to Aaron Rodgers is SHAMEFUL, SHAMEFUL!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Babybluejeans on July 29, 2021, 12:22:53 PM
Man I LOVED that presser. What an asskicking. Tony's reaction is perfect: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=31907405
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 29, 2021, 12:59:30 PM
Man I LOVED that presser. What an asskicking. Tony's reaction is perfect: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=31907405


I don't know what you mean by "asskicking."  He looked like a tool because The Lens is right - they HAVE built great teams around him the last two years - ya know....Gutey's era.  But if Tony is right, and it won him the locker room, then that's really all that matters.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jsglow on July 29, 2021, 01:02:00 PM

So here are the names he listed....


Charles Woodson - Went on to have a couple of good, but not great seasons, but had a huge cap number that they weren't going to pay
Jordy Nelson - He was done
Julius peppers - He was done
Clay Matthews - He was more than done
Randall Cobb - Probably could have gotten another year or two out of him
James Jones - Never a top guy.  Pretty much done.
John Kuhn - LOL OK
Brett Goode - LOL OK
TJ Lang - Didn't miss him one bit
Brian Bulaga - Didn't miss him last year.  We will see.
Casey Hayward - This was a miss.
Micah Hyde - This was a miss.

Good work and totally agree.  It's a young man's game, not ARodg's drinking club.

And BTW, I totally like and respect essentially all those players for their career contributions in Green Bay.

One last thing Aaron, Paul Hourning and Jimmy Taylor got traded in the twilight of their careers too.  And they starred on the greatest team ever assembled.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on July 29, 2021, 02:27:59 PM

So here are the names he listed....


Charles Woodson - Went on to have a couple of good, but not great seasons, but had a huge cap number that they weren't going to pay
Jordy Nelson - He was done
Julius peppers - He was done
Clay Matthews - He was more than done
Randall Cobb - Probably could have gotten another year or two out of him
James Jones - Never a top guy.  Pretty much done.
John Kuhn - LOL OK
Brett Goode - LOL OK
TJ Lang - Didn't miss him one bit
Brian Bulaga - Didn't miss him last year.  We will see.
Casey Hayward - This was a miss.
Micah Hyde - This was a miss.

Plus Josh Sitton who was a surprise training camp cut. Got 1 really good year out of him, one average year by my recollection.

At least 5 or 6 of those guys have or will retire as Packers. The ones that won't (Woodson, Peppers, Hayward, Hyde) either have a big part of their legacy elsewhere, or blossomed after leaving. So how big of a problem is this to people other than Rodgers?

Hayward and Hyde were big misses, and a big part of why the Packers have spent so much capital on their secondary - the opportunity cost could well have cost the Packers Super Bowl runs. But they're also not who Rodgers is referring to.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on July 30, 2021, 05:17:09 AM
I think it’s hilarious that Rodgers, a man who can’t wait to get out of Green Bay, demanded the packers bring in Cobb, who publicly stated he and his wife cried tears of joy together when they found out they got to come back to Green Bay.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 30, 2021, 05:59:59 AM
I think it’s hilarious that Rodgers, a man who can’t wait to get out of Green Bay, demanded the packers bring in Cobb, who publicly stated he and his wife cried tears of joy together when they found out they got to come back to Green Bay.
I think Rodgers likes being a Green Bay Packer a lot. His beef is with management.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 30, 2021, 06:20:59 AM
I think it’s hilarious that Rodgers, a man who can’t wait to get out of Green Bay, demanded the packers bring in Cobb, who publicly stated he and his wife cried tears of joy together when they found out they got to come back to Green Bay.

He's never said this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 30, 2021, 06:28:11 AM
I think Rodgers likes being a Green Bay Packer a lot. His beef is with management.

Rodgers hates Green Bay.  That’s a fact.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on July 30, 2021, 06:55:36 AM
Rodgers hates Green Bay.  That’s a fact.

He hates it so much that he spent his whole career in GB praising the city and the fans.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on July 30, 2021, 07:23:28 AM
He hates it so much that he spent his whole career in GB praising the city and the fans.

He’s a good actor.  From dating all those starlets
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on July 30, 2021, 07:33:05 AM
I always heard he ingrained himself into the community really well and seemed to like it. Maybe I fell for an act.

I think part of it is Rodgers wants to protect his legacy and playing his whole career for one team is a part of that. Something else to separate him from Favre.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 30, 2021, 07:54:33 AM
Rodgers likes the history of the Packers and the fans.  He knows how special that is.  He doesn't like the management, nor does he spend any more time in town than he has to.  But he's hardly alone in that regard.  I think Mason Crosby might be the only Packer who lives in Green Bay during the off-season, but I am not sure that's still the case.  Cobb, Driver and Bulaga used to.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on July 30, 2021, 08:03:50 AM
I meant more getting out of the organization, not the city itself. Just the irony of two completely different tones between Aaron and the guy he forced the packers to bring in.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on July 30, 2021, 08:27:08 AM
I meant more getting out of the organization, not the city itself. Just the irony of two completely different tones between Aaron and the guy he forced the packers to bring in.


Cobb was pandering.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on July 30, 2021, 09:10:16 AM
Does Rodgers even own a home in GB anymore?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 31, 2021, 07:10:51 AM
Not sure how to interpret this ?

https://mobile.twitter.com/brgridiron/status/1421119438145925125

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on July 31, 2021, 07:29:07 AM
Not sure how to interpret this ?

https://mobile.twitter.com/brgridiron/status/1421119438145925125

Hates Green Bay kids, doesn't want to ride bikes anymore
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on July 31, 2021, 09:31:17 PM
3 Viqueens QBs on Covid list. Zimmer is pissed at them for reusing to be vaccinated. As he should be.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on July 31, 2021, 09:54:30 PM
3 Viqueens QBs on Covid list. Zimmer is pissed at them for reusing to be vaccinated. As he should be.
Dial 1-800- Blake-Bortels
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on July 31, 2021, 10:53:17 PM
3 Viqueens QBs on Covid list. Zimmer is pissed at them for reusing to be vaccinated. As he should be.

Joe Webb where u at
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 01, 2021, 11:44:17 AM
Former Packer James Jones interviews Aaron Rodgers

https://www.nfl.com/videos/

Go to Videos and then click on the video. The direct link didn't seem to be working.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 02, 2021, 06:33:32 PM
I always like this part of the football pre-season , where all the teams are optimistic. Heck even the Lions think good things will happen, and we all know they are a lost cause.  No pads yet and lots of great looking plays on offense. Creates a nice build up to the regular season.
 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on August 03, 2021, 07:50:36 AM
I always like this part of the football pre-season , where all the teams are optimistic. Heck even the Lions think good things will happen, and we all know they are a lost cause.  No pads yet and lots of great looking plays on offense. Creates a nice build up to the regular season.

I'm conflicted about the Lions right now.   I agree that Patricia was an absolute disaster as a coach.   And there is positive energy about the team, as opposed to the constant negativity that existed under Patricia.    But I think Quinn was equally disastrous and there just isn't that much talent to be coached up.     

The relentless positivity is impressive. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 03, 2021, 11:18:37 AM
I think the Jags can win the AFC South this year.

That’s more an indictment on the rest of the division. I don’t believe in Tennessee, especially that defense, and I think they miss Arthur Smith calling plays. Julio is fine, but he’s not going to play 17 games.

Colts losing Quentin Nelson is a huge blow to whatever shaky QB was going to play anyway.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on August 03, 2021, 11:29:28 AM
I think the Jags can win the AFC South this year.

That’s more an indictment on the rest of the division. I don’t believe in Tennessee, especially that defense, and I think they miss Arthur Smith calling plays. Julio is fine, but he’s not going to play 17 games.

Colts losing Quentin Nelson is a huge blow to whatever shaky QB was going to play anyway.

Yeah, if I had to put money on it I would say the Titans regress but win the division at like 9-7. But if they implode it could look a lot like last year's NFC East. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 05, 2021, 01:04:40 PM
Live shot of Vikings QB room...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 05, 2021, 01:27:18 PM
Ah Vikings quarterbacks.  The gift that keeps on giving...


Kevin Seifert
@SeifertESPN

Cousins said he has thought about surrounding himself with plexiglass in the QB room. He was asked why he would go to such lengths when a vaccine would be far more effective and efficient. He said the decision is personal and private.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on August 05, 2021, 01:32:19 PM
Ah Vikings quarterbacks.  The gift that keeps on giving...


Kevin Seifert
@SeifertESPN

Cousins said he has thought about surrounding himself with plexiglass in the QB room. He was asked why he would go to such lengths when a vaccine would be far more effective and efficient. He said the decision is personal and private.

Zimmer calling cousins out for not believing in the protocols was pretty amusing as well. Doofus.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 05, 2021, 01:40:08 PM
Could you imagine your quarterback, the guy you are paying $31 million this year, sitting in the meeting room with a bunch of plexiglass around him?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on August 05, 2021, 01:43:47 PM
Could you imagine your quarterback, the guy you are paying $31 million this year, sitting in the meeting room with a bunch of plexiglass around him?

How do you think Smokin Jay got around the IL indoor smoking ban?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on August 05, 2021, 01:49:52 PM
How do you think Smokin Jay got around the IL indoor smoking ban?

Damn that is one funny visual, Cutler hot boxing a plexiglass COVID shied with cigs lol
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 05, 2021, 02:33:11 PM
Ah Vikings quarterbacks.  The gift that keeps on giving...


Kevin Seifert
@SeifertESPN

Cousins said he has thought about surrounding himself with plexiglass in the QB room. He was asked why he would go to such lengths when a vaccine would be far more effective and efficient. He said the decision is personal and private.

He is demanding his right to infect and kill people. No wonder he says he wants to keep it private.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on August 05, 2021, 02:47:21 PM
He is demanding his right to infect and kill people. No wonder he says he wants to keep it private.

Take a breath man, 90% of your posts across threads are kill, murder, killers, murders, we get it.  You're not adding anything.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on August 05, 2021, 03:39:19 PM
Zimmer calling cousins out for not believing in the protocols was pretty amusing as well. Doofus.

I get the impression that Cousins isn't a bad guy, but he's just terribly awkwardly weird and alienated from the rest of the teams he plays on. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 05, 2021, 03:41:19 PM
I get the impression that Cousins isn't a bad guy, but he's just terribly awkwardly weird and alienated from the rest of the teams he plays on. 


And a little dumb.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on August 05, 2021, 03:50:56 PM
I get the impression that Cousins isn't a bad guy, but he's just terribly awkwardly weird and alienated from the rest of the teams he plays on.

I mean sure, one can be innocently ignorant and foolish and thus not a bad guy, but also profoundly and dangerously wrong. He gives off the impression of being earnest in his wrong beliefs. While I don't necessary think he's a "bad guy" I do think he's a doofus that is endangering his team in a reckless and needless manner.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on August 05, 2021, 04:56:45 PM
I mean sure, one can be innocently ignorant and foolish and thus not a bad guy, but also profoundly and dangerously wrong. He gives off the impression of being earnest in his wrong beliefs. While I don't necessary think he's a "bad guy" I do think he's a doofus that is endangering his team in a reckless and needless manner.

I think it was pretty clear he was a doofus before any of this stuff
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on August 05, 2021, 05:12:31 PM
https://www.mlive.com/sports/2021/08/former-msu-qb-kirk-cousins-at-peace-with-decision-not-to-get-vaccinated-ahead-of-season.html

If I die, I die.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 05, 2021, 05:21:13 PM
https://www.mlive.com/sports/2021/08/former-msu-qb-kirk-cousins-at-peace-with-decision-not-to-get-vaccinated-ahead-of-season.html

If I die, I die.

“I’m gonna let nature do its course. Survival-of-the-fittest kind of approach. And just say, if it knocks me out, it knocks me out. I’m going to be OK. You know, even if I die. If I die, I die. I kind of have peace about that.”


Survival of the fittest. The Right’s way of saying “I don’t care if you die”.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 05, 2021, 05:22:38 PM
Take a breath man, 90% of your posts across threads are kill, murder, killers, murders, we get it.  You're not adding anything.

We need constant reminders of what these people are doing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on August 05, 2021, 06:28:21 PM
We need constant reminders of what these people are doing.

No we don't, this is a messageboard, not CNN or your local news.  Nobody is being swayed by hysterical and repeated rantings from either side.  Its not like this is some new source of information for an ever increasing and growing population.  Its for your own self satisfaction, plain and simple.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on August 06, 2021, 12:07:16 AM
https://www.mlive.com/sports/2021/08/former-msu-qb-kirk-cousins-at-peace-with-decision-not-to-get-vaccinated-ahead-of-season.html

If I die, I die.

And if I give it to my loved ones, oh well. They had a good run, too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 06, 2021, 12:06:31 PM
I'm still irrationally annoyed that John Lynch gets into the HOF before LeRoy Butler.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 06, 2021, 01:15:37 PM
And if I give it to my loved ones, oh well. They had a good run, too.

He said he will do everything possible - including being placed in a plexiglass bubble - to prevent getting or giving Covid. Everything obviously does not include the most obvious thing.


You almost have to give him a pass though as he is not the nuttiest one in his family by a mile. His dad is full right-wing crazy. As in Ds are colluding with Satan crazy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 06, 2021, 01:18:25 PM
You almost have to give him a pass though as he is not the nuttiest one in his family by a mile. His dad is full right-wing crazy. As in Ds are colluding with Satan crazy.
He's on to us. He will need to be eliminated.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on August 06, 2021, 01:46:58 PM
I think it was pretty clear he was a doofus before any of this stuff

https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2018/7/5/17536196/kirk-cousins-fourth-of-july-grill (https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2018/7/5/17536196/kirk-cousins-fourth-of-july-grill)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on August 06, 2021, 01:56:06 PM
That thinking is consistent with his religious and regional upbringing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 06, 2021, 05:28:30 PM
I'm still irrationally annoyed that John Lynch gets into the HOF before LeRoy Butler.

There is nothing irrational about it.  LeRoy Butler was one of (if not the best) safeties in the 90s.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on August 07, 2021, 09:28:01 AM
He is demanding his right to infect and kill people. No wonder he says he wants to keep it private.
Hmmm, if the unvaccinated are the ones  dying, How is someone else killing them? Seems like they are the ones taking the risk by not getting a shot
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on August 07, 2021, 10:30:08 AM
Hmmm, if the unvaccinated are the ones  dying, How is someone else killing them? Seems like they are the ones taking the risk by not getting a shot

Considering there are many under 12 who can’t get vaccinated, they are putting those people at higher risk. Also, I believe the variants are spreading due to the large number of unvaccinated, which may result in more variants.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Babybluejeans on August 07, 2021, 10:32:36 AM
Knowing people on the inside of the Washington football team, it’s been well-established for a long time that Cousins is a seriously weird dude. (And doesn’t get social cues.) Few players felt loyalty to him.

Also, never underestimate the ignorance of professional athletes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 07, 2021, 11:20:55 AM
Gardner Minshew , Jags QB is taking the Hernan Cortes approach to training camp. Very witty guy.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/06/gardner-minshew-taking-the-hernan-cortes-approach-to-fight-for-qb-job/

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on August 09, 2021, 10:42:15 AM
I'm not much of an NFL guy but I would highly recommend listening to Charles Woodson's HOF speech.  Absolutely incredible.  One of the most passionate and powerful speeches I've ever heard. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on August 09, 2021, 11:34:58 AM
Knowing people on the inside of the Washington football team, it’s been well-established for a long time that Cousins is a seriously weird dude. (And doesn’t get social cues.) Few players felt loyalty to him.

Also, never underestimate the ignorance of professional athletes.

I've been a big stats guy but very much coming around to personality fit being a major factor in success. Especially in a QB, leadership style & personality permeate throughout the team, and it's vitally important to have great qualities in that area. If a guy can't inspire his teammates or command a locker room, doesn't really matter what kind of stats he can put up, ultimately. The team will always underachieve.

Cousins is an "efficient" QB but appears to be severely deficient in a critical area, and it seems to me that the Vikings will underachieve for as long as he's at the helm.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Babybluejeans on August 09, 2021, 04:28:38 PM
Totally agree, Silkk. I recall an interview with Drew Brees a few years ago and he was asked what percentage of being a great NFL QB is comprised of "intangibles" like you mention (versus talent). He said 80%. Brady has made similar comments. And if anyone is proof of its truth, it's those two.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 09, 2021, 04:45:32 PM
I've been a big stats guy but very much coming around to personality fit being a major factor in success. Especially in a QB, leadership style & personality permeate throughout the team, and it's vitally important to have great qualities in that area. If a guy can't inspire his teammates or command a locker room, doesn't really matter what kind of stats he can put up, ultimately. The team will always underachieve.

Cousins is an "efficient" QB but appears to be severely deficient in a critical area, and it seems to me that the Vikings will underachieve for as long as he's at the helm.
Jay Cutler says hi.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on August 11, 2021, 07:15:24 AM
From Charlotte Observer:

As of Monday morning, the Panthers’ vaccination rate was 96% of players having received at least the first COVID-19 shot and 91.5% fully vaccinated, per a league source with knowledge of the situation. The 96% is eighth-best in the league. Overall, 91.7% of players on NFL rosters have at least one shot, and 80.8% are fully vaccinated.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on August 11, 2021, 09:54:08 AM
I assume some un-vaxxed players that may have a borderline chance to make the final cut may get axed in lieu of a vaxxed player this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 11, 2021, 12:00:09 PM
I assume some un-vaxxed players that may have a borderline chance to make the final cut may get axed in lieu of a vaxxed player this year.

I don’t think there will be many because of what you say. The players know this too and I would guess most of these marginal guys are vaccinated.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on August 11, 2021, 01:01:33 PM
From Charlotte Observer:

As of Monday morning, the Panthers’ vaccination rate was 96% of players having received at least the first COVID-19 shot and 91.5% fully vaccinated, per a league source with knowledge of the situation. The 96% is eighth-best in the league. Overall, 91.7% of players on NFL rosters have at least one shot, and 80.8% are fully vaccinated.
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NFL should shout that from the rafters and make sure that vaccine mandates/proof of negative test is a pre-req to get into the doors as a fan.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 13, 2021, 06:26:38 PM
Found some deep discount codes in our junk mail for Jags tickets. Thinking about taking the family to the game tomorrow night to see Tebow and Trevor.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 13, 2021, 08:15:35 PM
From Charlotte Observer:

As of Monday morning, the Panthers’ vaccination rate was 96% of players having received at least the first COVID-19 shot and 91.5% fully vaccinated, per a league source with knowledge of the situation. The 96% is eighth-best in the league. Overall, 91.7% of players on NFL rosters have at least one shot, and 80.8% are fully vaccinated.

That means that maybe 3 players are refusing the vaccine.

Cut their a$$es today!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 14, 2021, 02:18:56 PM
Clay is coming back? 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/14/aaron-rodgers-other-packers-publicly-lobby-for-clay-matthews-to-be-re-signed/amp/

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on August 14, 2021, 02:53:51 PM
Clay is coming back? 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/14/aaron-rodgers-other-packers-publicly-lobby-for-clay-matthews-to-be-re-signed/amp/

Clay is one of my favorite all time Packers, but there’s a good reason he’s still sitting without a team since 2019. But try and talk any logic with our ego maniacal, jackass QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 14, 2021, 02:56:53 PM
Clay is one of my favorite all time Packers, but there’s a good reason he’s still sitting without a team since 2019. But try and talk any logic with our ego maniacal, jackass QB.


Yes, we should all demand a nice guy like Trubisky at QB.  ::)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 14, 2021, 02:58:40 PM

Yes, we should all demand a nice guy like Trubisky at QB.  ::)

Or maybe Rodgers should realize that they have no need for over the hill players that he played with a decade ago. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on August 14, 2021, 03:02:40 PM

Yes, we should all demand a nice guy like Trubisky at QB.  ::)

I am completely sick of Rodgers act.  And he hasn’t won near enough to get a pass for what a total a$$ he’s behaving like.  Thai one Super Bowl appearance and win is 10 plus years old now.  Put up or shut the eff up finally and let’s win something other than the NFC North.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on August 14, 2021, 03:03:07 PM
Or maybe Rodgers should realize that they have no need for over the hill players that he played with a decade ago.

Bingo.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 14, 2021, 03:18:14 PM
Maybe Clays house is not selling and he needs the money.

https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/nfl-linebacker-clay-matthews-hgtv-star-casey-noble-list-calabasas-home
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 14, 2021, 05:30:03 PM
Or maybe Rodgers should realize that they have no need for over the hill players that he played with a decade ago.

That is a completely different point which has nothing to do with what I said.  One that I do agree with, however.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on August 14, 2021, 08:07:25 PM
Just got back from dinner. How is Love looking? Numbers are solid. Saw a nice throw over the middle while they were backed up. Also saw the TD was a screen pass.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jsglow on August 14, 2021, 08:17:30 PM
Just got back from dinner. How is Love looking? Numbers are solid. Saw a nice throw over the middle while they were backed up. Also saw the TD was a screen pass.

He's looked okay.  It does appear that Houston is playing more vets that look hungry to make a NFL roster rather than wash out of the league.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 14, 2021, 08:29:29 PM
I think Josh and Yosh played their way off the roster tonite.

Bubble guys can’t be total disasters.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 14, 2021, 11:32:14 PM
Found some deep discount codes in our junk mail for Jags tickets. Thinking about taking the family to the game tomorrow night to see Tebow and Trevor.
Went to the Jags game.  Think it is going to be a long season for Urban Meyer
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on August 15, 2021, 10:34:05 AM
Went to the Jags game.  Think it is going to be a long season for Urban Meyer

I read that Meyer was being cagey and wouldn't announce Trevor Lawrence as the starter for the game.  Seemed absurd and perfectly on brand for him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 15, 2021, 12:24:32 PM
I read that Meyer was being cagey and wouldn't announce Trevor Lawrence as the starter for the game.  Seemed absurd and perfectly on brand for him.
Anything is possible, but I think Urban Meyer will have a very difficult time adjusting to and accepting life as an NFL Coach.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 15, 2021, 05:11:20 PM
For a pre-season game?  LOL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on August 15, 2021, 05:38:29 PM
How good did Fields look? 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on August 15, 2021, 06:56:51 PM
How good did Fields look?

He looked composed which is what you ask for. His touchdown was obviously on a majorly blown coverage, but it was across the field and he saw the play. Thought he has a ball that could have been picked where he tried to go back shoulder, but the WR made a great adjustment.

All in all, Bears fans should be encouraged enough to be enraged when Dalton starts the first 6 weeks

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on August 15, 2021, 08:19:57 PM
He looked composed which is what you ask for. His touchdown was obviously on a majorly blown coverage, but it was across the field and he saw the play. Thought he has a ball that could have been picked where he tried to go back shoulder, but the WR made a great adjustment.

All in all, Bears fans should be encouraged enough to be enraged when Dalton starts the first 6 weeks

Ty for the synopsis.  The fact that Nagy and Pace are back may be one of the world's greatest mysteries.  I'm guessing the Bears win 5 games tops.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on August 15, 2021, 10:24:54 PM
He looked composed which is what you ask for. His touchdown was obviously on a majorly blown coverage, but it was across the field and he saw the play. Thought he has a ball that could have been picked where he tried to go back shoulder, but the WR made a great adjustment.

All in all, Bears fans should be encouraged enough to be enraged when Dalton starts the first 6 weeks

Was at Soldier Field Saturday. He looked good against the second and third string. Of course, the line protecting him was second string and he was not playing with David Montgomery or the "A" List wide receivers. Still, he was what I expected. Polished but untested.

Before Bear fans get too excited, the same things were said about Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton, Jay Cutler and Mitch Trubisky. He's about where Trubisky was on his first game, but it is seriously questionable whether he is polished enough to be an NFL quarterback in 2022.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on August 15, 2021, 10:27:13 PM
Went to the Jags game.  Think it is going to be a long season for Urban Meyer

Very long.

First time I ever saw an NFL team advertise heavily discounted season tickets on their TV broadcast.

Interviewed Shad Kahn during the game. Seems like a nice but very delusional guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 17, 2021, 01:34:39 PM
Tebow Gowne
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 17, 2021, 01:50:05 PM
Tebow Gowne

It was a sham and disgrace from the start - letting this egomaniac take a roster spot. He had as much of a chance getting back to the NFL as he did being part of the Mets lineup.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on August 17, 2021, 01:55:15 PM
Was at Soldier Field Saturday. He looked good against the second and third string. Of course, the line protecting him was second string and he was not playing with David Montgomery or the "A" List wide receivers. Still, he was what I expected. Polished but untested.

Before Bear fans get too excited, the same things were said about Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton, Jay Cutler and Mitch Trubisky. He's about where Trubisky was on his first game, but it is seriously questionable whether he is polished enough to be an NFL quarterback in 2022.

I dont disagree with a lot of this, but I don't know how you can call him polished and then say he's where Trubisky was in his first game.  I'm not saying Fields is the next Mahomes or that he won't flame out, but he's unquestionably further along than where Trubisky was...in vision, in accuracy, in composure.

Fields is debatable if he's ready to go as a rookie, which is fair of most rookies.  Trubisky had no business playing his rookie year, period no debate, but the Bears were idiots and rushed him along.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on August 17, 2021, 02:50:25 PM
In his preseason debut, Mitch Trubisky led the Bears to touchdowns on his first two drives, hittong on his first 10 passes without an incompletion. He finished the game 18-for-25 for 166 yards and a touchdown, with a passer rating of 103.1.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 17, 2021, 03:22:59 PM
It was a sham and disgrace from the start - letting this egomaniac take a roster spot. He had as much of a chance getting back to the NFL as he did being part of the Mets lineup.

The whole concept was Ill-conceived . The foundational skill a tight end must have is blocking. Without the ability to block, hard to make it on the field and do all the other things.

We went to the game Saturday and several things were evident.

1. Tebow was no where near the 255 that he was advertised. He was more like 225. He may have bulked up to 255 prior to the start of camp, but that all burned off in training camp. He was much smaller than all the other tight ends and positively puny compared to the people he needed to block.

2 Because Tebow had no experience as a Tight End, he could not rely on technique to make the blocks as an alternative to sheer physicality.

3. Tebow was not on special teams, because he was a massive liability for blocking, which effectively shut him out of being useful on gadget plays.

4. To his credit Tebow ran some nice routes, things you can see in the stadium but not on TV. A couple times when the QB was in trouble. Tebow smartly ran to spaces where a good QB, with vision ,  would have got him the ball, unfortunately he was playing with the 3rd and 4th stringers.

Ultimately I think the big mistake Tebow made in his career, was not going to Canada early on when he was having a hard time sticking with the NFL. He would have had a very good career up there, and maybe after many years of working on his throwing motion, he might have made it back to the big league . There have been a handful of guys who took that route and finished their careers in the NFL.  The most famous being Warren Moon,
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on August 17, 2021, 04:34:28 PM
Ultimately I think the big mistake Tebow made in his career, was not going to Canada early on when he was having a hard time sticking with the NFL. He would have had a very good career up there, and maybe after many years of working on his throwing motion, he might have made it back to the big league . There have been a handful of guys who took that route and finished their careers in the NFL.  The most famous being Warren Moon,

I actually disagree.  The CFL is a passing league first and foremost, as the rules necessitate.  Tebow with his terrible throwing motion and slow release would have struggled mightily up there.

He was an incredible college player and winner, but short of completely overhauling his throwing motion, he was never gonna have a pro career as a QB.  He should have switched to TE WAYY earlier in his career and he may have had a shot.  But he refused to.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 17, 2021, 04:38:15 PM
He could have been Taysom Hill before Taysom Hill was Taysom Hill
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 17, 2021, 05:55:49 PM
I actually disagree.  The CFL is a passing league first and foremost, as the rules necessitate.  Tebow with his terrible throwing motion and slow release would have struggled mightily up there.

He was an incredible college player and winner, but short of completely overhauling his throwing motion, he was never gonna have a pro career as a QB.  He should have switched to TE WAYY earlier in his career and he may have had a shot.  But he refused to.

He could have been Taysom Hill before Taysom Hill was Taysom Hill

I thought the CFL wider field may have helped him. Maybe not ,as you point out.

Unfortunately Tebow did not embrace being a tight end early in his career and as pointed out above he could have become Taysom Hill.

I played golf once with Doug Flutie ,just after he turned 50 ,and he was absolutely convinced he still had what it took to play in the NFL. Was  humorously showing me all his strategies for clearing out of the pocket etc . So some of these guys never give it up. I guess that is what made them outstanding in the first play .

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on August 17, 2021, 07:06:33 PM
Tebow Gowne

Gonna have a heck of an NHL career now!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on August 17, 2021, 07:20:24 PM
He could have been Taysom Hill before Taysom Hill was Taysom Hill

Maybe, but I think there were 2 key differences.

1) Taysom Hill is a lot quicker.  4.45 40 vs a 4.75

2) Even as a "QB", Hill was sort of "ill do whatever" for Payton.  Where as Tebow saw himself as the consummate QB.

I think being that swiss army knife role is as mental as physical, and Tebow never had a chance of thinking he was anything but QB1
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 18, 2021, 07:57:06 PM
Clay is one of my favorite all time Packers, but there’s a good reason he’s still sitting without a team since 2019. But try and talk any logic with our ego maniacal, jackass QB.

You do realize that this never happened?

Turns out that maybe the jackass resides in your mirror.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on August 18, 2021, 08:16:04 PM
You do realize that this never happened?

Turns out that maybe the jackass resides in your mirror.

You’re doing a told you so AFTER the full story comes out?!?!  You indicated no skepticism about its truthfulness at the time, nor did anyone else.  I mean, are you that desperate for a gotcha on me?  And it’s sticking in your craw 4 days later still to go back and bring it up again?  Obsessed at all?

You go on with your man crush on Rodgers.  We disagree about him. Grow the f up. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on August 19, 2021, 08:48:05 AM
This was the Packers' throwback I expected to see, but these kick all kinds of ass. Make these the primary IMO.

https://www.packers.com/news/packers-introduce-history-inspired-alternate-uniform (https://www.packers.com/news/packers-introduce-history-inspired-alternate-uniform)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on August 19, 2021, 09:17:37 AM
This was the Packers' throwback I expected to see, but these kick all kinds of ass. Make these the primary IMO.

https://www.packers.com/news/packers-introduce-history-inspired-alternate-uniform (https://www.packers.com/news/packers-introduce-history-inspired-alternate-uniform)
I’m a big fan
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on August 19, 2021, 09:54:07 AM
I have ZERO love for the Packers and find their color scheme/jerseys to be unpleasant...but these are CLEAN.  Credit where credit is due, these are fantastic
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on August 19, 2021, 01:28:33 PM
This was the Packers' throwback I expected to see, but these kick all kinds of ass. Make these the primary IMO.

https://www.packers.com/news/packers-introduce-history-inspired-alternate-uniform (https://www.packers.com/news/packers-introduce-history-inspired-alternate-uniform)

No. Why we’d want to look like the  Oregon Ducks is beyond me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 19, 2021, 01:31:54 PM
No. Why we’d want to look like the  Oregon Ducks is beyond me.

Does everything make you sad?  Because you certainly give off a ton of Eeyore stank.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 20, 2021, 07:43:44 AM
Nvm, wrong thread
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on August 21, 2021, 01:13:29 PM
How much do you think the Bears would need to give up to get Trubisky? I think a first and 3rd rounder should do it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on August 21, 2021, 01:40:39 PM
How much do you think the Bears would need to give up to get Trubisky? I think a first and 3rd rounder should do it.

Maybe this will end Dalton's chance of starting over Fields?

But this is so typical Bears it's comical and quite sad.  We'll be lucky to win 5 games. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on August 21, 2021, 01:42:12 PM
Mitch causing another Bears loss.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on August 21, 2021, 02:09:24 PM
You cannot in good conscience start Andy Dalton over Justin Fields.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 23, 2021, 05:36:01 PM
After the way last season ended, why did the Packers bring back Kevin King?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 23, 2021, 05:40:12 PM
After the way last season ended, why did the Packers bring back Kevin King?

Because he was hardly terrible.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 23, 2021, 05:43:33 PM
I think it was strictly a response to how bad the backups are/were. I posted here after the 1st exhibition game that Josh Jackson needed to go. Gutey took my advice a couple days later. King was bad in a few games last year, but was still worlds better than any of the backups. If Stokes shows promise, King will not be back next year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on August 23, 2021, 06:45:31 PM
Because he was hardly terrible.
Not sure what "hardly terrible" means, but the lack of  interest he got  in free agency for a cornerback,  and the low 1 year deal he received tells you what you need to know about his level of play. Having said that, it was worth bringing him back on a cheap one year deal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on August 24, 2021, 11:39:41 AM
Dalton named the starter.  He certainly looks the part of Bears starting quarterback.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 24, 2021, 11:41:54 AM
Dalton named the starter.  He certainly looks the part of Bears starting quarterback.

Better to sacrifice him versus the Rams than Fields with the Bears OL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on August 24, 2021, 12:51:27 PM
Jokes aside, this is a surprisingly smart move from Nagy.  They aren't winning this year.  Throwing Fields to the wolves against the Rams in the first game at SoFi with fans, with that defense, on SNF, is a disaster waiting to happen.  Fields is the future, but I'm totally fine with him coming along slowly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 24, 2021, 01:01:25 PM
Jokes aside, this is a surprisingly smart move from Nagy.  They aren't winning this year.  Throwing Fields to the wolves against the Rams in the first game at SoFi with fans, with that defense, on SNF, is a disaster waiting to happen.  Fields is the future, but I'm totally fine with him coming along slowly.

Slowly may mean Week 2. Team PaGy are on a short leash as they should be.

Still, it's the right move in Week 1 to start the Red Rocket.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on August 24, 2021, 02:53:43 PM
Jokes aside, this is a surprisingly smart move from Nagy.  They aren't winning this year.  Throwing Fields to the wolves against the Rams in the first game at SoFi with fans, with that defense, on SNF, is a disaster waiting to happen.  Fields is the future, but I'm totally fine with him coming along slowly.

Agree 100%. Starting Fields would have been dopey bordering on irresponsible.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 27, 2021, 09:42:18 AM
Rodgers says Championship or Bust

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-puts-championship-or-bust-label-on-packers-in-whats-presumably-his-final-season-with-team/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 27, 2021, 11:33:42 AM
Rodgers says Championship or Bust

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/aaron-rodgers-puts-championship-or-bust-label-on-packers-in-whats-presumably-his-final-season-with-team/

"in what's presumably his final season with team" is speculation - not fact.


I was one of the few here over the summer that said they expected Arod to play in GB THIS year. So, I assume I am one of the few here who say that he will play in GB next year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 27, 2021, 12:05:09 PM
"in what's presumably his final season with team" is speculation - not fact.


I was one of the few here over the summer that said they expected Arod to play in GB THIS year. So, I assume I am one of the few here who say that he will play in GB next year.

I mean...doesn't using the word presumably mean that the author was acknowledging that it was speculation and not fact?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 27, 2021, 12:40:27 PM
I mean...doesn't using the word presumably mean that the author was acknowledging that it was speculation and not fact?

Yes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 27, 2021, 12:52:21 PM
I mean...doesn't using the word presumably mean that the author was acknowledging that it was speculation and not fact?

Absolutely. I was just reinforcing what he said. And adding my speculation based on my reading of the facts - just as I did over the summer when I was one of the few here who said he would be in GB this year.

I further speculated that he will be there next week as well based on my reading of the facts.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 27, 2021, 08:11:35 PM
Aaron Rodgers happy with his weapons

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2021/8/27/22644584/cheese-curds-aaron-rodgers-is-happy-with-his-weapons
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 27, 2021, 08:52:14 PM
Aaron Rodgers happy with his weapons

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2021/8/27/22644584/cheese-curds-aaron-rodgers-is-happy-with-his-weapons
Skill positions good, I expect the line to be average at best however.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 27, 2021, 09:03:27 PM
Skill positions good, I expect the line to be average at best however.
Yes line is very young in some positions
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 28, 2021, 02:24:26 PM
Jags trade Gardner Minshew to The Eagles for a draft pick.

https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/31865/what-gardner-minshew-trade-means-for-philadelphia-eagles-jalen-hurts-impact
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on August 28, 2021, 03:46:23 PM
Skill positions good, I expect the line to be average at best however.

Big crapshoot until Bahk gets back, but I expect the guards to be serviceable until Jenkins is back at his old position. The ceiling of this line hinges on Myers - they could be still land in the "very good" tier if he's a serviceable replacement.

I don't doubt for a second that Jenkins will slide to center if Myers is terrible.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 28, 2021, 04:23:45 PM
Love ain't da ansir, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on August 28, 2021, 04:58:11 PM
Depends on the question.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 28, 2021, 05:10:54 PM
Big crapshoot until Bahk gets back, but I expect the guards to be serviceable until Jenkins is back at his old position. The ceiling of this line hinges on Myers - they could be still land in the "very good" tier if he's a serviceable replacement.

I don't doubt for a second that Jenkins will slide to center if Myers is terrible.
KC playing Mahomes extensively in exhibitions so he can get in sync with his new offensive line. Interesting to note the Chiefs also used a second round pick to draft center Creed Humphrey. Will be interesting to see which rookie center fares better over time .
https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article253707083.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 28, 2021, 06:36:49 PM
Love ain't da ansir, hey?

His ceiling is Trubisky.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on August 29, 2021, 07:43:29 PM
His ceiling is Trubisky.
So what specifically makes you say that based on a few quarters of preseason football. How do Loves numbers in his first two games compare to Rodgers in his first two games.

He looked pretty good to me, not perfect but what are you expecting?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 30, 2021, 10:41:32 AM
I fully expect Pack/Saints to be moved to Dallas.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on August 30, 2021, 11:43:46 AM
I fully expect Pack/Saints to be moved to Dallas.

Yeah.  Saints are already there.  Pretty much every indoor stadium other than Dallas is being used that weekend.  And there's no way they're not playing a week 1 game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 30, 2021, 02:48:59 PM
I fully expect Pack/Saints to be moved to Dallas.
I wonder if that location could benefit the Packers. Less Saints fans show and maybe some Packers fans absorb seats?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on August 30, 2021, 02:59:59 PM
Yikes, hard to imagine a game being played in NO in just two weeks. That it was @NO didn't register for me until late last night.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on August 30, 2021, 03:03:15 PM
I wonder if that location could benefit the Packers. Less Saints fans show and maybe some Packers fans absorb seats?

Rodgers has had a bit of success there too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 30, 2021, 03:08:03 PM
I wonder if that location could benefit the Packers. Less Saints fans show and maybe some Packers fans absorb seats?


I would guess that if they simply put the tickets on the open market, that it would be 2/3 Packer fans.  A ton of displaced Wisconsinites in the metroplex.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on August 30, 2021, 03:08:54 PM
After Katrina, the Saints played their home games in LSU's stadium. Did Baton Rouge also sustain a lot of damage from Ida?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 30, 2021, 03:26:54 PM
They actually didn't play at LSU until later in the year.  Played a couple games in San Antonio as I recall.

Problem is these days is that all NFL stadiums have direct video access to the headquarters in New York, so they would prefer an NFL stadium.  And it doesn't sound like the Super Dome suffered great damage, so they may only need to be temporary for a game or two.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 30, 2021, 03:38:09 PM
Love ain't da ansir, hey?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2947860-jordan-loves-preseason-shows-packers-need-to-commit-to-aaron-rodgers-past-2021
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 30, 2021, 04:18:43 PM
Rodgers has had a bit of success there too.

Couple that with being a stat padding regular season wonder, I would take the Packers and the points in Dallas
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on August 30, 2021, 05:07:51 PM
They actually didn't play at LSU until later in the year.  Played a couple games in San Antonio as I recall.

Problem is these days is that all NFL stadiums have direct video access to the headquarters in New York, so they would prefer an NFL stadium.  And it doesn't sound like the Super Dome suffered great damage, so they may only need to be temporary for a game or two.

This all sounds right.

I forgot about San Antonio. I know the Bears played em in Baton Rouge but that was later.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on August 30, 2021, 05:45:21 PM
Carson Wentz on the COVID-19 list as a close contact, which means he's not vaccinated.
Sure will be something when a team loses its quarterback or another key player for a regular season game because he didn't get the shot.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on August 30, 2021, 06:06:02 PM
Knowing what we know about Wentz, not all that surprising
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 30, 2021, 06:08:41 PM
Knowing what we know about Wentz, not all that surprising

Who would be the starting QB on the All-dbag team? Cousins or Wentz? Watson might only get honorable mention.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on August 30, 2021, 07:45:41 PM
Who would be the starting QB on the All-dbag team? Cousins or Wentz? Watson might only get honorable mention.

That's... well. I guess everyone's gotta have priorities.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 30, 2021, 07:49:19 PM
Couple of random NFL power rankings . One has the Packers 4th and the other has the Packers 5th. One has the Chiefs 1st and the other has the Bucs 1st.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-power-rankings-2021-pw3/

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-power-rankings-2021-bills-49ers-steelers-cowboys-dolphins/kmuxb65qgbdczrbv4xq6op5p
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on August 30, 2021, 08:08:54 PM
Who would be the starting QB on the All-dbag team? Cousins or Wentz? Watson might only get honorable mention.

Umm
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 31, 2021, 08:39:01 AM
Would it be worth it for the Packers to sign free agent offensive lineman Mitchell Schwartz? He hurt his back and had surgery last year. The Chiefs released him and he is still unsigned. He may come in hand later in the season.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on August 31, 2021, 09:08:44 AM
Patriots are releasing Cam Newton.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 31, 2021, 09:12:25 AM
Cam got Covid cut.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on August 31, 2021, 09:20:19 AM
Cam got Covid cut.

It didn't help, but his play had more to do with it. You won't see Lamar Jackson getting cut.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 31, 2021, 09:27:35 AM
It didn't help, but his play had more to do with it. You won't see Lamar Jackson getting cut.

No argument here, but we both know the Pats were pissed at Cam for violating Covid protocol. That had to have played a role in some form here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on August 31, 2021, 09:32:47 AM
No argument here, but we both know the Pats were pissed at Cam for violating Covid protocol. That had to have played a role in some form here.

Oh, I agree 100%. I think once it was decided that Newton wasn't going to start, Belichick also decided all the other issue weren't worth dealing with for a backup.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 31, 2021, 09:37:04 AM
Time will tell, and I say this hoping Fields is good, but the 2021 draft with the Lions/Panthers/Broncos passing consecutively on Fields & Jones will be interesting to follow for years to come.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on August 31, 2021, 09:55:22 AM
It didn't help, but his play had more to do with it. You won't see Lamar Jackson getting cut.

Cam's previous game was very good. He was being praised not only by Belichick and his teammates but also by national pundits, and the belief was that he would be the starter at least early on this season. Then the Covid situation. Now the cut.

But it's possible that with or without the Covid deal, Belichick was looking for any excuse to start his rookie, and Cam was gonna get the ax unless he was great this preseason. Which he certainly wasn't.

Will be interesting to see if any team thinks Cam has anything left. If not, he had a great first 7 seasons and I'm glad for the incredible run he led the Panthers on in 2015. The most fun I've had as a sports fan since 2003.

Time will tell, and I say this hoping Fields is good, but the 2021 draft with the Lions/Panthers/Broncos passing consecutively on Fields & Jones will be interesting to follow for years to come.

Agree totally. This could set up as the classic woulda-coulda-shoulda, just like Mahomes or Marino. That's if either Fields or Jones can be half as good as Mahomes or Marino, of course!

I admit I wondered if Fields has what it takes to be a longtime NFL starting QB, and I was hoping the Panthers would pass on him. So far I'm very happy with the pick of CB Jaycee Horn, who is exactly what the team needed. If I turn out to be wrong about Fields, I'll eat crow. Hopefully somebody will pass the ketchup!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on August 31, 2021, 10:16:29 AM
Cam's previous game was very good. He was being praised not only by Belichick and his teammates but also by national pundits, and the belief was that he would be the starter at least early on this season. Then the Covid situation. Now the cut.

So, do you believe Belichick determined Newton was his best option at QB, but cut him anyhow?
Anything's possible, but I find that unlikely. I think once they decided Jones would be the starter, Cam became expendable. If they believed Newton was their best option at QB, he'd still be there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on August 31, 2021, 10:20:29 AM
Yeah, performing well in a pre-season game isn't much of an indicator of anything.  Cam showed last year that his ceiling isn't very high and seems to be getting lower.  And if he is unvaccinated, that is a risky position to be for any player including a back up quarterback.  Jones showed that he could handle it, so he got the gig.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on August 31, 2021, 11:24:37 AM
So, do you believe Belichick determined Newton was his best option at QB, but cut him anyhow?
Anything's possible, but I find that unlikely. I think once they decided Jones would be the starter, Cam became expendable. If they believed Newton was their best option at QB, he'd still be there.

I didn't say that. Belichick cut Newton because he thinks Jones is who the Pats need at QB. If I suggested otherwise, it wasn't what I meant.

Yeah, performing well in a pre-season game isn't much of an indicator of anything.  Cam showed last year that his ceiling isn't very high and seems to be getting lower.  And if he is unvaccinated, that is a risky position to be for any player including a back up quarterback.  Jones showed that he could handle it, so he got the gig.

Well, if you saw the highlights of that game, you would have seen that it was an indicator that Newton -- who had trouble throwing the ball 10 yards downfield the previous couple of seasons -- again had good zip and accuracy on 25-yard passes in game action. For a QB with a surgically repaired shoulder, that's not nothing.

Otherwise, I agree with what you say here.

It's Newton's fault he's not vaccinated, his fault he missed time he couldn't afford to miss. So if the competition was close -- and neither of us knows if it was or wasn't -- that very well could have pushed Jones over the top. That's all I was saying.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on August 31, 2021, 11:31:42 AM
Cam got Covid cut.

Bring him to Chicago and let him meet Virgina McCaskey. Thus begins the second golden age of Bears football.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on August 31, 2021, 11:58:02 AM
Bring him to Chicago and let him meet Virgina McCaskey. Thus begins the second golden age of Bears football.

LOL
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 31, 2021, 12:45:26 PM
Texans need Cam , given all that’s going on with Watson
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on August 31, 2021, 02:15:20 PM
Texans need Cam , given all that’s going on with Watson

Why would they want Cam? They’re going to suck, they want to suck, and bringing in Cam wouldn’t accomplish anything for them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on August 31, 2021, 02:25:52 PM
Why would they want Cam? They’re going to suck, they want to suck, and bringing in Cam wouldn’t accomplish anything for them.

Would heading to Miami to play behind Tua make sense? I doubt there’s anywhere he gets a starting job at this point.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 31, 2021, 02:37:42 PM
Why would they want Cam? They’re going to suck, they want to suck, and bringing in Cam wouldn’t accomplish anything for them.

I think Jerry will grab him first.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on August 31, 2021, 03:11:51 PM
Packers trading for a punter.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on August 31, 2021, 03:21:09 PM
I won’t miss Scott and his tackling technique.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on August 31, 2021, 05:16:16 PM
Packers trading for a punter.

I won’t miss Scott and his tackling technique.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/packers-rams-trade-green-bay-acquires-punter-corey-bojorquez-from-los-angeles-per-report/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on August 31, 2021, 05:37:44 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/packers-rams-trade-green-bay-acquires-punter-corey-bojorquez-from-los-angeles-per-report/

Good trade by Rodgers.  He must not have liked Scott
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 01, 2021, 11:03:25 AM
Due to a concert at AT&T the week of the NFL opening wry, Pack/Saints moved to Jacksonville. Not a great break for either side.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 01, 2021, 11:19:24 AM
Due to a concert at AT&T the week of the NFL opening wry, Pack/Saints moved to Jacksonville. Not a great break for either side.

I disagree, Dish. Great advantage for GB not having to play in Superdome.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 01, 2021, 11:27:36 AM
I disagree, Dish. Great advantage for GB not having to play in Superdome.


But the heat…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 01, 2021, 11:30:44 AM
Just a guess, I think any unused Saint tickets end up in Packer hands.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 01, 2021, 11:51:33 AM

But the heat…

Yeah, that’s where I was going.

Any dome > Jacksonville 3:25 kick in September
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 01, 2021, 12:19:17 PM
Jacksonville blows.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 01, 2021, 12:31:46 PM
Yeah, that’s where I was going.

Any dome > Jacksonville 3:25 kick in September

I think getting the Saint out of the Superdome and moving to a grass field rather than turf more than offsets the heat. But I guess that is TBD.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 01, 2021, 12:50:09 PM
Jacksonville blows.

I believe that's the official motto of the Duval County Convention and Visitors Bureau.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 02, 2021, 08:30:28 AM
Of the 69 Panthers on either the active roster or practice squad, 67 have been fully vaccinated -- a 97% rate. I'm pleased to see that, and I hope the other 2 will follow the lead of their teammates and coaches.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 02, 2021, 08:36:06 AM
I know that as of last week, the Packers only had about five players who weren't vaccinated.  No idea how the cut downs this week impacted that number.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 02, 2021, 08:49:31 AM
The Panthers' new kicker (at least for now), Ryan Santoso, is married to former Marquette volleyball player Ellen Hays.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 03, 2021, 09:46:40 AM
Rodgers taking MVS under wing. MVS Reading lots of books at Rodgers direction . 

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2021/09/02/packers-aaron-rodgers-helping-marquez-valdes-scantling-succeed/5698673001/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 03, 2021, 09:54:51 AM
Rodgers taking MVS under wing. MVS Reading lots of books at Rodgers direction . 

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2021/09/02/packers-aaron-rodgers-helping-marquez-valdes-scantling-succeed/5698673001/


Are we sure he isn't just pretending to read those books?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 03, 2021, 09:57:44 AM

Are we sure he isn't just pretending to read those books?
He said he used highlighters . So he can at least fake it in discussions with Rodgers . Receivers will do anything to get a target …
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 03, 2021, 10:19:42 AM
"The Art of the Kuma Sutra For Dummies," hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 03, 2021, 10:32:37 AM
"The Art of the Kuma Sutra For Dummies," hey?

I have my doubts.  Rodgers is more of pseduo-intellectual that probably reads over his comprehension level
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 03, 2021, 10:50:01 AM
I have my doubts.  Rodgers is more of pseduo-intellectual that probably reads over his comprehension level

Based on some interviews, I have to imagine Rodgers has a pretty eclectic reading list. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a decent amount of junk science in there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 08, 2021, 05:51:40 PM
Random NFL thoughts from me, most of which are intertwined with gambling.

-My favorite bet is Pats +320 to be an AFC Wild Card team.

-I love WFT to win the NFC East at +260. I really think the gap between Dallas and WFT is not much, and I love WFT's defense. Fitzmagic could derail them, but they made the playoffs last year with a trio of mediocre QB's.

-Bears are going to be so "meh". I still can't get past them signing Dalton to spite Fuller off the roster. I'm excited to see what Fields can eventually do, I'll be a holdout juror for a while to see if he's going to be good or not. That offensive line is going to be a huge problem, and their schedule is no bueno.

-I'm interested to watch Green Bay run it back, I think they'll be really good, I can't see how they don't run away with the division.

-I think Baltimore misses the playoffs (+250 to miss). There's usually one team every year coming out of the preseason that seems destined to be cursed that year, and I think it's Baltimore this year.

-I think Atlanta has an outside chance to make the playoffs, and barring injury, I think Calvin Ridley has a monster season.

-Covid is going to wreck havoc on some team on a game day, I think who your back up QB is will matter more this season than most. I don't think the league will be as accommodating with games on Tues/Wed/etc. That was a lot easier to pull off with no fans attending, but this year if you get multiple positive pops in your OL the day of the game, you're either going to forfeit or have a big roster problem on your hands.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 08, 2021, 06:10:46 PM
Good stuff, Dish.

One thing that only I may find interesting is how everyone is completely disregarding the Super Bowl loser's hangover when it comes to the Chiefs. And perhaps Mahomes is good enough that it ought to be disregarded.
Chiefs are solid favorites to win the Super Bowl, and huge favorites to win the AFC, but only three of the past 27 Super Bowl losers have made it back the following season. History says someone else is winning the AFC this season. But again, maybe Mahomes > history.



Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 08, 2021, 07:49:02 PM
Good stuff, Dish.

One thing that only I may find interesting is how everyone is completely disregarding the Super Bowl loser's hangover when it comes to the Chiefs. And perhaps Mahomes is good enough that it ought to be disregarded.
Chiefs are solid favorites to win the Super Bowl, and huge favorites to win the AFC, but only three of the past 27 Super Bowl losers have made it back the following season. History says someone else is winning the AFC this season. But again, maybe Mahomes > history.
I am in the camp that says Chiefs win AFC and Super Bowl.

Talent like Mahomes has is hard to stop.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 08, 2021, 08:43:52 PM
Good stuff, Dish.

One thing that only I may find interesting is how everyone is completely disregarding the Super Bowl loser's hangover when it comes to the Chiefs. And perhaps Mahomes is good enough that it ought to be disregarded.
Chiefs are solid favorites to win the Super Bowl, and huge favorites to win the AFC, but only three of the past 27 Super Bowl losers have made it back the following season. History says someone else is winning the AFC this season. But again, maybe Mahomes > history.

I 100% agree with you, I think that AFC West is the most exciting division to watch this year. The Raiders last year head to head out scored KC. Chargers & Broncos both should be good as well, I took a small flyer on LAC to win that division.

I’m with you though on the SB hangover. Also the KC offensive line...wait to see. I think they still have questions defensively and like any team, a couple injuries could cause big problems.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on September 09, 2021, 09:29:34 AM
Good stuff, Dish.

One thing that only I may find interesting is how everyone is completely disregarding the Super Bowl loser's hangover when it comes to the Chiefs. And perhaps Mahomes is good enough that it ought to be disregarded.
Chiefs are solid favorites to win the Super Bowl, and huge favorites to win the AFC, but only three of the past 27 Super Bowl losers have made it back the following season. History says someone else is winning the AFC this season. But again, maybe Mahomes > history.

Bills
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 09, 2021, 10:16:35 AM
5 Bold NFL Predictions:

1. The Buccs miss the playoffs
2. NFC Super Bowl rep is a team no one sees coming
3. Justin Fields wins OROY
4. Chargers win the AFC West
5. Justin Herbert wins the MVP
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 09, 2021, 10:33:41 AM
5 Bold NFL Predictions:

1. The Buccs miss the playoffs
2. NFC Super Bowl rep is a team no one sees coming
3. Justin Fields wins OROY
4. Chargers win the AFC West
5. Justin Herbert wins the MVP

I certainly appreciate the boldness, but I just can't see the Bucs missing the playoffs. Even if Brady got hurt, they have the fourth easiest schedule in the league.

They get the Eagles, Bears, Giants, Jets. That's 4 wins, and even if they went 3-3 within their division, that's 7 wins right there.

That's 7 wins without including games with Dallas (at full health), Indy, WFT, Miami, NE...all of whom may be decent, but probably not stalwarts.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 09, 2021, 10:45:01 AM
I certainly appreciate the boldness, but I just can't see the Bucs missing the playoffs. Even if Brady got hurt, they have the fourth easiest schedule in the league.

They get the Eagles, Bears, Giants, Jets. That's 4 wins, and even if they went 3-3 within their division, that's 7 wins right there.

That's 7 wins without including games with Dallas (at full health), Indy, WFT, Miami, NE...all of whom may be decent, but probably not stalwarts.
Also The Bucs returned their entire starting lineup. Not something that happens often in the NFL
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 09, 2021, 10:56:44 AM
Who's going to beat the Bucs in the NFC South?  The Panthers and Falcons are mediocre at best, and the Saints have two not-great options at QB.

If Brady gets hurt, I can see things falling apart around them a bit, but I think the only near locks for the playoffs in the NFC are the Bucs and the Packers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 09, 2021, 11:00:43 AM
5 Bold NFL Predictions:

1. The Buccs miss the playoffs
2. NFC Super Bowl rep is a team no one sees coming
3. Justin Fields wins OROY
4. Chargers win the AFC West
5. Justin Herbert wins the MVP

These certainly are bold.
A couple of thoughts:

Playing in a division in which the second-best team is led by Jameis Winston, things would have to go off the rails in epic fashion for the Bucs to miss the playoffs. Hard to imagine them not going at least 6-2 in the division. And in the NFC, nine wins may be good enough for the playoffs.

As for Herbert and the Chargers, he may due for a regression this year. His deep ball and under pressure numbers were unusual last year, especially the latter given his far lower success rate (relative to the rest of the league) in a clean pocket*. Maybe Herbert is just remarkably better under pressure than in a clean pocket, but more likely those numbers aren't sustainable.
On top of that possible regression, they have a new and pretty green coaching staff. Brandon Staley may prove to be a great coach, but he's just five years removed from being a D-III coordinator, has zero experience as a head coach and only one season as an NFL coordinator. Their defensive coordinator has two seasons as a primary NFL position coach under his belt and has never been a coordinator at any level.
They may all turn out great, but there's a lot of opportunity for rookie mistakes from that bunch.


* Just to add some context here, Herbert ranked 1st in the NFL under pressure last year, per Pro Football Focus, but 26th from a clean pocket. That's a massive disparity and it seems unlikely there wasn't at least a fair amount of luck involved. Not only that, but his under pressure rating was better than anything Patrick Mahomes or Russell Wilson has ever put up, and better than Aaron Rodgers in all but one season.
Again, hard to imagine that being sustainable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 09, 2021, 12:16:04 PM
These certainly are bold.
A couple of thoughts:

Playing in a division in which the second-best team is led by Jameis Winston, things would have to go off the rails in epic fashion for the Bucs to miss the playoffs. Hard to imagine them not going at least 6-2 in the division. And in the NFC, nine wins may be good enough for the playoffs.

As for Herbert and the Chargers, he may due for a regression this year. His deep ball and under pressure numbers were unusual last year, especially the latter given his far lower success rate (relative to the rest of the league) in a clean pocket*. Maybe Herbert is just remarkably better under pressure than in a clean pocket, but more likely those numbers aren't sustainable.
On top of that possible regression, they have a new and pretty green coaching staff. Brandon Staley may prove to be a great coach, but he's just five years removed from being a D-III coordinator, has zero experience as a head coach and only one season as an NFL coordinator. Their defensive coordinator has two seasons as a primary NFL position coach under his belt and has never been a coordinator at any level.
They may all turn out great, but there's a lot of opportunity for rookie mistakes from that bunch.


* Just to add some context here, Herbert ranked 1st in the NFL under pressure last year, per Pro Football Focus, but 26th from a clean pocket. That's a massive disparity and it seems unlikely there wasn't at least a fair amount of luck involved. Not only that, but his under pressure rating was better than anything Patrick Mahomes or Russell Wilson has ever put up, and better than Aaron Rodgers in all but one season.
Again, hard to imagine that being sustainable.

Well, they weren’t lukewarm predictions
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on September 09, 2021, 01:18:03 PM
Bills

History never says the Bills are winning.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 09, 2021, 02:39:48 PM
5 Bold NFL Predictions:

1. The Buccs miss the playoffs
2. NFC Super Bowl rep is a team no one sees coming
3. Justin Fields wins OROY
4. Chargers win the AFC West
5. Justin Herbert wins the MVP

I'll gladly disagree with all 5.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 09, 2021, 03:01:19 PM
History never says the Bills are winning.

Now that the Bucks have won an NBA championship, we can repurpose the #NTTB hashtag.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 09, 2021, 03:07:52 PM


-I think Baltimore misses the playoffs (+250 to miss). There's usually one team every year coming out of the preseason that seems destined to be cursed that year, and I think it's Baltimore this year.


Just announced...Marcus Peters AND Gus Edwards now both out for the year with torn ACL's.

BTW...You can still get Ravens at +250 to miss the playoffs...just saying.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 09, 2021, 03:31:19 PM
Just announced...Marcus Peters AND Gus Edwards now both out for the year with torn ACL's.

BTW...You can still get Ravens at +250 to miss the playoffs...just saying.

You can still get Raiders +4 Monday night.
Brutal for a team to lose its #1, #2, and #3 RBs before the season even starts.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 09, 2021, 03:54:41 PM
Just announced...Marcus Peters AND Gus Edwards now both out for the year with torn ACL's.

BTW...You can still get Ravens at +250 to miss the playoffs...just saying.

Looks like they will be the jinxed team this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 09, 2021, 04:28:54 PM
Because of the pandemic, 2020 never ended and thus Lamar Jackson is still the Madden cover athlete and remains subject to the curse
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on September 09, 2021, 05:40:45 PM
Who's going to beat the Bucs in the NFC South?  The Panthers and Falcons are mediocre at best, and the Saints have two not-great options at QB.

If Brady gets hurt, I can see things falling apart around them a bit, but I think the only near locks for the playoffs in the NFC are the Bucs and the Packers.
Brady didnt get them to the super bowl last year, their defense did. TB near locks for playoffs Brady or no Brady.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 09, 2021, 09:23:06 PM
I’ve always kinda hated interceptions as a true QB stat. As an example, Brady has technically thrown 2 interceptions tonight. But neither was close to his fault. Hail Mary picks...no big deal at all. The other pick was clearly a juggle drop by Fournette.

I’m not trying to be a Brady apologist here, but that stat has always needed a modifier in my book.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 09, 2021, 10:40:22 PM
Brady didnt get them to the super bowl last year, their defense did. TB near locks for playoffs Brady or no Brady.

This, they have a top 5 defense. A top 5 offensive line, and arguably the best receiving corp in the entire NFL.

It would take a colossal failure to not make the playoffs. And they should win the championship.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 09, 2021, 10:48:18 PM
I’ve always kinda hated interceptions as a true QB stat. As an example, Brady has technically thrown 2 interceptions tonight. But neither was close to his fault. Hail Mary picks...no big deal at all. The other pick was clearly a juggle drop by Fournette.

I’m not trying to be a Brady apologist here, but that stat has always needed a modifier in my book.

I don’t disagree.  Tipped picks have always been a point of annoyance for me.  You have a QB buried for 3 INTs in a game and all 3 of them hit the WR in the hands.  When something like a WR breaking the wrong way happens, that’s bad luck but it’s an INT.  Tips and juggles leading to INTs sucks for stat reasons
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 09, 2021, 10:52:47 PM
Officials gift one to TB. Miss a blatant offensive pass interference.

Wouldn't have mattered though if the Dallas Kicker could have made some easy ones.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 09, 2021, 11:04:09 PM
I’ve always kinda hated interceptions as a true QB stat. As an example, Brady has technically thrown 2 interceptions tonight. But neither was close to his fault. Hail Mary picks...no big deal at all. The other pick was clearly a juggle drop by Fournette.

I’m not trying to be a Brady apologist here, but that stat has always needed a modifier in my book.

I don't disagree, but ...

When a QB dumps a 1-yard pass to a RB, who then weaves 90 yards for a TD, the QB gets credit for a 91-yard TD pass. Or when a bad pass goes through the hands of a DB and into the arms of a WR, who then goes for a TD, the QB gets credit for a TD pass. So I think it all evens out in the wash.

RELATED: The Bucs look like a very good team, clearly the class of an OK-at-best division, but I think the 17-0 talk is just dopey. They showed tonight that they are hardly invincible. They lost 6 games last season, and they'll lose a few this season. It will be interesting to see if other good offensive teams can take advantage of their weak pass defense the way Dak and the Cowboys did.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 10, 2021, 08:02:47 AM
Bucs weak pass defense takes away their advantage in rushing the passer . Maybe they should look into Richard Sherman.

Two big positives for the Bucs were Gronk and Antonio Brown. Who appear to be in peak form .

Brady just keeps rolling down the river .

Bucs had no running attack . Which was surprising .

Dak look very good out there for the Cowboys.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 11, 2021, 10:58:59 AM
The Athletic did it's "NFL 100" -- its attempt to pick the greatest 100 NFL players ever, in order. They released their list a few at a time, and counted down the top 10 one at a time each of the last several days, finally ending with No. 1.

https://theathletic.com/2685622/2021/09/08/the-nfl-100-from-derrick-brooks-to-tom-brady-the-athletic-finds-the-best-players-in-football-history/

For those who don't subscribe, here's their top 10:

1. Tom Brady

2. Jim Brown

3. Jerry Rice

4. Lawrence Taylor

5. Reggie White

6. Joe Montana

7. Peyton Manning

8. Walter Payton

9. Johnny Unitas

10. Dick Butkus

These kinds of things are always subjective, and the whole idea is to be conversation starters. I definitely could quibble with a couple of those, and maybe the order, but those are 10 important, tremendously productive, all-time superstars. And I think I'd have the exact same first 4 in the exact same order.

The three guys I remember thinking, at the time, were the greatest I ever saw -- guys who made me say, "Damn, he's the best ever!" -- were O.J. Simpson, Lawrence Taylor and Dan Marino. But as time passes, we get perspective, and also more players come aboard who are better. Marino, for example ... there never had been a guy like him. But as productive as he was, he couldn't elevate his team to the promised land, and he often contributed to the big-game losses with poor play. So despite his talent, he's been passed by numerous players. The Athletic has him at 18.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 11, 2021, 11:01:32 AM
Dick Butkus?  😂😂😂

Wasn’t even best at his position.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 11, 2021, 11:23:09 AM
Just saw several Packer Fans on the beach, going to the game tomorrow. Some had flown in from Wisconsin and Denver . Also many locals

I think there is going to be a very large contingent of Packer fans at the game.

I am guessing maybe 20 percent of the Crowd .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 11, 2021, 11:31:36 AM
Just saw several Packer Fans on the beach, going to the game tomorrow. Some had flown in from Wisconsin and Denver . Also many locals

I think there is going to be a very large contingent of Packer fans at the game.

I am guessing maybe 20 percent of the Crowd .

Packer fans are everywhere. The last couple times they played here, it sounded like there were more Packer backers than Panthers fans at the game -- and the Panthers had good teams that beat the Packers.

Fans of Steelers and Cowboys also travel very well. Others that seem to be pretty willing to hit the road: WFT, Patriots, Giants, Bears, Eagles, Broncos. Probably a couple/few others.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 11, 2021, 11:35:51 AM
Dick Butkus?  😂😂😂

Wasn’t even best at his position.
In the history of his team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 11, 2021, 04:39:43 PM
Thursday night's NFL season opener on NBC saw ratings jump 20% from the prior year, a pleasing data point of reversal in an era of slipping numbers for the league (and pro sports in general).

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3738859-nfl-kickoff-game-jumps-in-ratings-best-opener-in-years?app=1&mail_subject=weekend-summary-on-your-portfolio-dta&utm_campaign=nl-portfolio&utm_content=link-3&utm_medium=email&utm_source=seeking_alpha

The game drew about 26 million viewers across various platforms (24.4 million on NBC), the network says. That's enough to make it the most-watched program since the Super Bowl in February.

And it's the best viewership for an NFL kickoff game since 2015, which Deadline notes was the most-watched NFL season ever.

The number doesn't yet include out-of-home viewing, either; those figures are due next week.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 12, 2021, 12:45:05 PM
Any time you can punt on 4th & 6 from the opponent’s 33, ya gotta do it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 12, 2021, 12:57:48 PM
Any time you can punt on 4th & 6 from the opponent’s 33, ya gotta do it.

I wasn't aware David Shaw got an NFL job
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 12, 2021, 02:04:56 PM
Welcome to the NFL, Urban.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 12, 2021, 02:10:49 PM
Welcome to the NFL, Urban.
Will be interesting to see how long he lasts in the league.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 12, 2021, 02:18:11 PM
That Titans defense is as bad as advertised.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 12, 2021, 02:27:10 PM
Will be interesting to see how long he lasts in the league.


He’s starting to feel heart palpitations already.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 12, 2021, 02:43:45 PM
I think the Jags can win the AFC South this year.

That’s more an indictment on the rest of the division. I don’t believe in Tennessee, especially that defense, and I think they miss Arthur Smith calling plays. Julio is fine, but he’s not going to play 17 games.

Colts losing Quentin Nelson is a huge blow to whatever shaky QB was going to play anyway.

Maybe I should have said Texans to win the South?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 12, 2021, 03:47:33 PM
Saints getting nice running out of Jameis
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 12, 2021, 04:03:03 PM
Is Jordan Love available?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 12, 2021, 04:04:16 PM
Bunch of smoes, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 12, 2021, 04:08:36 PM
Is Jordan Love available?

Does he play defense?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 12, 2021, 04:15:22 PM
We just gave up a 4th and 7 to JJJ
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 12, 2021, 04:15:42 PM
Where’s Mike Petine?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 12, 2021, 04:18:10 PM
Joe Barry Carroll is not the answer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 12, 2021, 04:18:49 PM
See, this is what happens when your prima donna qb thinks his chit don't stank and your o and d lines suck major ass, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 12, 2021, 04:20:49 PM
This is like a “no contact” practice for the Saints offense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 12, 2021, 04:22:34 PM
Dis iz a fookin' joke, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 12, 2021, 04:24:27 PM
Can someone explain why we didn’t give  our starting quarterback any reps in the pre season?

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 12, 2021, 04:25:20 PM
Health.   He already knows the offense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 12, 2021, 04:38:16 PM
Can someone explain why we didn’t give  our starting quarterback any reps in the pre season?


He feels a playa of his stature duzant kneed pre-seeson, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on September 12, 2021, 05:04:59 PM
Whole lotta hand wringing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 12, 2021, 05:12:24 PM

He feels a playa of his stature duzant kneed pre-seeson, hey?
I remember your rant about Giannis and Budenholzer.    Yeah....
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 12, 2021, 05:22:46 PM
Packers look lost. No communication, people on completely different pages, and a lack of intensity.

And those are the positives.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 12, 2021, 05:28:13 PM
Packers look unprepared and uninspired. I’ve watched decent snippets of every game today, and tough to say that about anyone else.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 12, 2021, 05:45:55 PM
Well, after the game had to be moved from New Orleans to Jacksonville, a lot of people DID predict a blowout ...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 12, 2021, 06:16:04 PM
Packers look unprepared and uninspired. I’ve watched decent snippets of every game today, and tough to say that about anyone else.
Saints came prepared and it showed. Jameis had a solid opener.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 12, 2021, 06:28:20 PM
It is week 1, and there’s always overreacting, but this is not the “R-E-L—A-X” Rodgers/Packers any more. Day of the draft changed all that.

My worry for them was if it goes down hill, it’s gonna happen like a rocketship. There’s too much built up animosity that exists from all sides. It’s hard to mentally break up with someone, half heartedly decide to make up and try to make it work on the fly.

We’ll see how the next few weeks go, in spite of today, I believe they’re still easily the most talented team in the division. But there is a scenario brewing where a divorce by the trade deadline makes sense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on September 12, 2021, 06:45:24 PM
The Packers still play in the NFC North. That’s really all that matters in terms of their regular season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2021, 06:58:07 PM
Aaron Rodgers is a loser
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 12, 2021, 07:24:02 PM
I remember your rant about Giannis and Budenholzer.    Yeah....



Yeah, same thin', hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 12, 2021, 07:25:20 PM
It is week 1, and there’s always overreacting, but this is not the “R-E-L—A-X” Rodgers/Packers any more. Day of the draft changed all that.

My worry for them was if it goes down hill, it’s gonna happen like a rocketship. There’s too much built up animosity that exists from all sides. It’s hard to mentally break up with someone, half heartedly decide to make up and try to make it work on the fly.

We’ll see how the next few weeks go, in spite of today, I believe they’re still easily the most talented team in the division. But there is a scenario brewing where a divorce by the trade deadline makes sense.

Yeah it will take a couple of weeks to confirm, but this is what I fear.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 12, 2021, 07:31:32 PM
Omg play Fields.  Immediately.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 12, 2021, 07:32:03 PM
The NFL finally has fans in its fancy new stadium in LA, and they christen it with the “Let’s get ready to rumble” guy like it’s 1998.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 12, 2021, 07:33:50 PM
Bears season going well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 12, 2021, 07:36:31 PM
The NFL finally has fans in its fancy new stadium in LA, and they christen it with the “Let’s get ready to rumble” guy like it’s 1998.

5.5 billion.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 12, 2021, 07:42:29 PM
Why would Nagy go for that?  Just get rid of the guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 12, 2021, 07:43:58 PM
The NFL finally has fans in its fancy new stadium in LA, and they christen it with the “Let’s get ready to rumble” guy like it’s 1998.

What’s gross is Buffer probably got a six figure check for that 20 second appearance.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 12, 2021, 07:45:52 PM
Why would Nagy go for that?  Just get rid of the guy.

Better question. Why didn't Dalton throw it to the wide open TE crossing over the middle instead of forcing it to a well covered Robinson?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 12, 2021, 07:48:04 PM
Better question. Why didn't Dalton throw it to the wide open TE crossing over the middle instead of forcing it to a well covered Robinson?

True dat.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 12, 2021, 07:54:11 PM
Shocker:  Nagy being Nagy.  Cut the gimmick bcrap.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 12, 2021, 07:55:11 PM
Shocker:  Nagy being Nagy.  Cut the gimmick bcrap.

It's not the gimmicks, it's just that he picks the strangest times to use them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 12, 2021, 07:59:03 PM
It's not the gimmicks, it's just that he picks the strangest times to use them.

The guy is an absolute abomination FBM.  Also it's the first quarter.  If your're not going to kick a 55 yrd FG punt the ball and pin them close to their endzone. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 12, 2021, 08:17:03 PM
Matt Nagy is not a good head coach. And is not a good playcaller. And is likely a poor offensive coordinator.

Mitch trubisky is not an NFL starting QB.

Want to find out how good Fields can be? Get rid of Nagy
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 12, 2021, 08:24:50 PM
Matt Nagy is not a good head coach. And is not a good playcaller. And is likely a poor offensive coordinator.

Mitch trubisky is not an NFL starting QB.

Want to find out how good Fields can be? Get rid of Nagy

Well said.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 12, 2021, 08:33:26 PM
Wow.  Da Bears.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 12, 2021, 08:56:21 PM
Ouch.  Talk about wide open.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 12, 2021, 08:57:16 PM
Just when you think the Bears are in the game... BAM. Another bad defensive play. Rams 20 Bears 7
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 12, 2021, 09:00:41 PM
Ouch.  Talk about wide open.

Man, they left him even more wide open than they did Randall Cobb back in 2013.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 12, 2021, 09:13:28 PM
https://twitter.com/DavidHaugh/status/1437237478658826242?s=19
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 12, 2021, 09:15:27 PM
1st and goal at the 2.  Will we get 7?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 12, 2021, 09:16:05 PM
Yea!!  Da Bears
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 12, 2021, 09:18:10 PM
If we’re being totally honest, the Rams have been completely mediocre thus far tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 12, 2021, 09:19:55 PM
If we’re being totally honest, the Rams have been completely mediocre thus far tonight.

True.  But Inthought it would be like 35-7 at the end of the 3Q.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 12, 2021, 09:35:48 PM
Bears got rid of Kyle Fuller.

Bears kept Jimmy Graham and Robert Quinn.

Bears acquired Andy Dalton. And are starting him over Justin Fields.

Fire Nagy. Fire Pace.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 12, 2021, 09:57:32 PM
Rodgers discusses today’s Green Weanie.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32200534/matt-lafleur-says-saints-absolutely-embarrassed-packers-aaron-rodgers-cautions-just-one-game
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 12, 2021, 10:01:03 PM
Darnold had a decent debut for the Panthers. Looked real sharp in the first half, less so after halftime. Showed a strong arm, only had a couple inaccurate passes (though either might have gone for a TD had Darnold not overthrown), good awareness in the pocket, more quickness than I expected.

Still work to do, but I'm encouraged.

Even more encouraged by the return of McCaffrey. What a great security blanket for Darnold as a receiver out of the backfield. Also threw a big block that let Darnold throw a long TD bomb to Anderson. What a football player McCaffrey is.

The Panthers' defense appears to be better, too, but I need to see it against a team that isn't the Jets.

As for Zach Wilson ... he was like a deer in headlights in the first half but he settled down. He had a couple throws that made me say, "Wow, I see why everybody was so high on him." I worry that he won't make it through the season in one piece, as the Panthers constantly beat the Jets' blocking and crushed Wilson over and over.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 12, 2021, 10:07:18 PM
Bears got rid of Kyle Fuller.

Bears kept Jimmy Graham and Robert Quinn.

Bears acquired Andy Dalton. And are starting him over Justin Fields.

Fire Nagy. Fire Pace.

The most accurate post I have ever read.  I cannot stand Nagy or Pace
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 12, 2021, 10:08:26 PM
In the history of his team.

Tower

 Every NFL top 50 or top 100 players survey I’ve ever seen lists him as the GOAT. I wasn’t a Bear’s fan at the time but I concur. Lambert, Singletary, Ray N, Bednarick we’re Hall of Famers but definitely a level below Butkus.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 12, 2021, 11:16:29 PM
Bears got rid of Kyle Fuller.

Bears kept Jimmy Graham and Robert Quinn.

Bears acquired Andy Dalton. And are starting him over Justin Fields.

Fire Nagy. Fire Pace.

Jimmy Graham was a bad signing before last season, and choosing to keep him at the expense of others was even more baffling.

I understood Dalton...until making moves for Fields.  A great move offset by another move that made no sense.

Speaking of Butkus, the Bears draft Sayers and Butkus is back to back picks back in 1965.  Pretty sure you could give Pace back to back top 5 picks for 10 consecutive drafts and he wouldn't find a HOF player.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on September 12, 2021, 11:18:34 PM
Just rip off the bandaid and start Justin Fields…O-Line was surprisingly competent tonight for the most part.

Nagy bought his boy Dalton another week just because the defense was so piss poor.

Honestly, it felt like Nagy was trying to inflate Dalton’s stats by running nothing but 5 yard flat routs so his completion percentage looks good and he doesn’t have to get Justin Fields questions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 12, 2021, 11:32:20 PM
I honestly have no issue bringing Fields along slowly...as long as its done properly.  Id be fine holding him out until Week 4 or Week 6, bleed him in slowly, but just don't panic and throw him in cause Dalton is crap.  Cause we already know he is.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 13, 2021, 05:09:24 AM
NFC North 0-4
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 13, 2021, 05:14:55 AM
It’s kind of nice to see Matt Stafford have something nice for once. Never disliked him when he was with the lions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 13, 2021, 05:49:57 AM
Tower

 Every NFL top 50 or top 100 players survey I’ve ever seen lists him as the GOAT. I wasn’t a Bear’s fan at the time but I concur. Lambert, Singletary, Ray N, Bednarick we’re Hall of Famers but definitely a level below Butkus



Ray Lewis is the best MLB of all time and its not particularly close.  Butkus was obviously great, but top 10 player of all time?  Nope.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 13, 2021, 07:35:50 AM
Great killer too. Distant second doe ta Da Juice, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 13, 2021, 10:48:45 AM
I honestly have no issue bringing Fields along slowly...as long as its done properly.  Id be fine holding him out until Week 4 or Week 6, bleed him in slowly, but just don't panic and throw him in cause Dalton is crap.  Cause we already know he is.

Bringing along Fields fast or slow is not the problem for this team. The defense is. That window has closed. Mack is just a guy now - whether it's age or injuries doesn't matter. Jackson has regressed into one of the worst safeties in the league. Hicks will never be fully healthy again. Roquan is the ONLY star of this team on 'D'. He may be the only one who even cares anymore.

With an average defense, Dalton cannot win games. Fields needs to be on the field learning. Manning and Aikman got buried as rookies, but it was good for their long term development. They need to let Fields go through the same thing. Learn now. Getting a few reps as the backup does not help his learning process.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 13, 2021, 11:09:24 AM
Bringing along Fields fast or slow is not the problem for this team. The defense is. That window has closed. Mack is just a guy now - whether it's age or injuries doesn't matter. Jackson has regressed into one of the worst safeties in the league. Hicks will never be fully healthy again. Roquan is the ONLY star of this team on 'D'. He may be the only one who even cares anymore.

With an average defense, Dalton cannot win games. Fields needs to be on the field learning. Manning and Aikman got buried as rookies, but it was good for their long term development. They need to let Fields go through the same thing. Learn now. Getting a few reps as the backup does not help his learning process.

Exactly.  The Bears had a great defense in 2018 and 2019.  Last year they were frankly average at best and this season they are probably worse.  Mack has done very little the past year + and Hicks can't stay healthy.  Their secondary is worse than mediocre.  Nagy will probably start Fields after 4/5 games but I agree that he should be out there and learn now for the future.  I'll be shocked if the Bears win more than 5 games.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 13, 2021, 12:07:51 PM
With an average defense, Dalton cannot win games. Fields needs to be on the field learning. Manning and Aikman got buried as rookies, but it was good for their long term development. They need to let Fields go through the same thing. Learn now. Getting a few reps as the backup does not help his learning process.

It depends on the O-Line.  For every Manning or Aikman, there is an Alex Smith, a Joey Harrington, or other top QBs thrust into situations where they were cannon fodder and it ruined their development.  If he can stay upright and not get blown up, then yea, take his lumps and let him learn.  I don't want another shellshocked waste of potential.  Seeing Jason Peters' corpse getting eviscerated on the left side terrifies me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 13, 2021, 12:18:23 PM
It depends on the O-Line.  For every Manning or Aikman, there is an Alex Smith, a Joey Harrington, or other top QBs thrust into situations where they were cannon fodder and it ruined their development.  If he can stay upright and not get blown up, then yea, take his lumps and let him learn.  I don't want another shellshocked waste of potential.  Seeing Jason Peters' corpse getting eviscerated on the left side terrifies me.

You are making an assumption that Smith and Harrington were going to be great QBs. I think neither was ever going to be Manning or Aikman. Smith got sacked way more often as a veteran QB as did Harrington.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 13, 2021, 12:23:38 PM
I don't think there is one way to develop a quarterback.  Both Favre and Rodgers didn't play immediately and it worked.  Aikman and Manning didn't...and that worked too!

Letting Fields sit is a fine decision if Nagy feels he doesn't know the offense well enough.  If Fields is deemed ready by next week, next month or next year, that's fine too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 13, 2021, 12:29:23 PM
Joe Barry Carroll has been a DC in the NFL for 4 years. His teams finished 30th, 31st, 15th, and 32nd in the rankings. We saw why yesterday.

Regarding whether Fields should start or not, how about should Eric Stokes be starting or not. Kevin King has just put together the worst back-to-back games by a cornerback in team history. He should be sat down immediately.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 13, 2021, 12:45:44 PM
King should not only sit, he should be cut. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on September 13, 2021, 12:53:58 PM
Joe Barry Carroll has been a DC in the NFL for 4 years. His teams finished 30th, 31st, 15th, and 32nd in the rankings. We saw why yesterday.

Regarding whether Fields should start or not, how about should Eric Stokes be starting or not. Kevin King has just put together the worst back-to-back games by a cornerback in team history. He should be sat down immediately.

Fail upwards baby.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on September 13, 2021, 01:08:40 PM
King should not only sit, he should be cut.

Ummmmm....
After the way last season ended, why did the Packers bring back Kevin King?

Because he was hardly terrible.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 13, 2021, 01:15:49 PM
I was wrong and would make a terrible NFL GM.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 13, 2021, 01:20:40 PM
I don't think there is one way to develop a quarterback.  Both Favre and Rodgers didn't play immediately and it worked.  Aikman and Manning didn't...and that worked too!

Letting Fields sit is a fine decision if Nagy feels he doesn't know the offense well enough.  If Fields is deemed ready by next week, next month or next year, that's fine too.

https://twitter.com/JasonLieser/status/1437240541909970944?t=RZWmBP64DYRZvp5SAmEaIA&s=19
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 13, 2021, 01:28:22 PM
They shouldn't be starting Dalton because they signed him to a one-year, $10 million contract.  And if that's the reason why they are doing that, they are even more poorly run than I thought.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on September 13, 2021, 01:31:30 PM
I was wrong and would make a terrible NFL GM.
LOL. :D

That's OK, I would totally have taken Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 13, 2021, 02:11:15 PM
I really appreciate the NFC North protesting the 17 game schedule by refusing to compete in week 1
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on September 13, 2021, 02:52:28 PM
They shouldn't be starting Dalton because they signed him to a one-year, $10 million contract.  And if that's the reason why they are doing that, they are even more poorly run than I thought.

Better than the $19m for Mike Glennon.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 13, 2021, 02:54:49 PM
I was wrong and would make a terrible NFL GM.

An unusual remark by any Scooper. You should be commended for it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 13, 2021, 03:48:58 PM
I was wrong and would make a terrible NFL GM.

Whoa, whoa.  This is Scoop.  Dig in on your original take
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 13, 2021, 04:23:15 PM
They shouldn't be starting Dalton because they signed him to a one-year, $10 million contract.  And if that's the reason why they are doing that, they are even more poorly run than I thought.

Why would we expect the Bears FO to understand how to differentiate between good football sense and sunk cost fallacy?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 13, 2021, 05:46:48 PM
They shouldn't be starting Dalton because they signed him to a one-year, $10 million contract.  And if that's the reason why they are doing that, they are even more poorly run than I thought.

Hi, my name is jesmu. May I introduce you to the McCaskeys, Phillips, and Paces?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on September 13, 2021, 05:55:55 PM
Hi, my name is jesmu. May I introduce you to the McCaskeys, Phillips, and Paces?

They’re slowly breaking it to Virginia that Fields isn’t what she thinks a quarterback is.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 13, 2021, 06:29:18 PM
They’re slowly breaking it to Virginia that Fields isn’t what she thinks a quarterback is.

There is absolutely 1 aspect of Fields that they're hoping Virginia never knows about
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Mutaman on September 13, 2021, 10:22:48 PM
"When Butkus was a rookie, Lombardi gave the team a very unflattering scouting report on the Chicago linebacker, predicting his linemen would have an easy time with this bumpkin.

"Look at Butkus," Lombardi said. "He's fat, out of shape, weighs about 260. His shirttail's out; he's sloppy. He stands 5 1/2 yards deep as a middle linebacker."

Well, Hornung said, "Butkus made 32 unassisted tackles, he caused three fumbles. We were lucky to win by about four points."

Later, Lombardi admitted, "Maybe he is something special."

"That's the only time I ever heard The Coach confess something," Hornung said."

https://buffalonews.com/news/hornungs-storied-past-gets-better-each-telling/article_29f05179-3ad9-525f-8e7b-8589ef1e8425.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 13, 2021, 10:55:49 PM
That OT was drunker than drunk, while higher than high.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 13, 2021, 10:56:10 PM
That was a fun 4th Q/OT
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on September 14, 2021, 01:19:04 PM
There is absolutely 1 aspect of Fields that they're hoping Virginia never knows about

Aside from being old and probably "traditional" is Ginny a confirmed racist?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 14, 2021, 06:06:08 PM
Rodgers says he was smacked in the nuts
https://www.insider.com/aaron-rodgers-double-nut-shot-interception-saints-pat-mcafee-2021-9
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 14, 2021, 06:15:37 PM
Rodgers says he was smacked in the nuts
https://www.insider.com/aaron-rodgers-double-nut-shot-interception-saints-pat-mcafee-2021-9

There it is!  When he threw it, I told my Grandma "wow, nobody he can blame for that one, no route excuses."  But he found a way.  I'm just shocked he was even able to continue, what a gritty soldier.  True warrior.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 14, 2021, 06:37:35 PM
Sew da dude iz singin' like a canary, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on September 14, 2021, 10:12:55 PM
"When Butkus was a rookie, Lombardi gave the team a very unflattering scouting report on the Chicago linebacker, predicting his linemen would have an easy time with this bumpkin.

"Look at Butkus," Lombardi said. "He's fat, out of shape, weighs about 260. His shirttail's out; he's sloppy. He stands 5 1/2 yards deep as a middle linebacker."

Well, Hornung said, "Butkus made 32 unassisted tackles, he caused three fumbles. We were lucky to win by about four points."

Later, Lombardi admitted, "Maybe he is something special."

"That's the only time I ever heard The Coach confess something," Hornung said."

https://buffalonews.com/news/hornungs-storied-past-gets-better-each-telling/article_29f05179-3ad9-525f-8e7b-8589ef1e8425.html

Plus no steroids or murders. > Lewis.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 14, 2021, 10:38:47 PM
No one is talking about it, or has been talking about it, but the NFL lost again in court today in St. Louis.

A settlement offer should be coming, but I wonder if the plaintiff (St. Louis County) wants this to go to trial. With consecutive rulings going against the NFL, St. Louis has lots of leverage now. This will be interesting to see how it plays out, as this trial would start just as the NFL playoffs are going in January.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 15, 2021, 07:48:38 AM
The Raiders became the first team to require proof of vaccination to attend games. I forgot to notice if that affected the crowd size at all. Did anybody notice?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 15, 2021, 10:26:10 AM
The Raiders became the first team to require proof of vaccination to attend games. I forgot to notice if that affected the crowd size at all. Did anybody notice?

It was the first home game with fans for the Raiders in Vegas.  They could require everyone to wear gas masks and take malaria pills and still sell out comfortably, probably most of the season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 15, 2021, 11:25:59 AM
It was the first home game with fans for the Raiders in Vegas.  They could require everyone to wear gas masks and take malaria pills and still sell out comfortably, probably most of the season.

Thanks for the info. It would appear they were the perfect first venue to require proof of vaccine.

This Sunday, it looks like I'll be going to a Panthers game for the first time since 2019. Masks are only required in bathrooms and concession lines, not in the stadium bowl. I'll probably wear mine all game because ... well ... why not? Doing so won't bother me, it won't hurt anybody, and it might help somebody.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 16, 2021, 07:15:41 AM
Thanks for the info. It would appear they were the perfect first venue to require proof of vaccine.

This Sunday, it looks like I'll be going to a Panthers game for the first time since 2019. Masks are only required in bathrooms and concession lines, not in the stadium bowl. I'll probably wear mine all game because ... well ... why not? Doing so won't bother me, it won't hurt anybody, and it might help somebody.

I have noticed CLEAR now being offered at some stadium venues for entry, not just at airports. I suspect biometrics (including vax status) will become more of the norm of fan acceptance for entry, COVID or no. There will be resisters of course, but there is the long line for them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 16, 2021, 07:25:51 AM
I have noticed CLEAR now being offered at some stadium venues for entry, not just at airports. I suspect biometrics (including vax status) will become more of the norm of fan acceptance for entry, COVID or no. There will be resisters of course, but there is the long line for them.

Interesting, Dr. B. Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 16, 2021, 10:42:15 AM
I have noticed CLEAR now being offered at some stadium venues for entry, not just at airports. I suspect biometrics (including vax status) will become more of the norm of fan acceptance for entry, COVID or no. There will be resisters of course, but there is the long line for them.

CLEAR always wanted to target the stadium market.  I actually completed my CLEAR enrollment at MSG back in early 2019.  I wasn't going to the Knicks game that night, but it was more convenient to get my scans done than going to the airport.  It was just a couple spots in major Metro areas, but the planning was there.  This is their big opportunity now though.  I already downloaded the app and loaded my Vax details into it.  Should be interesting to see how it works out
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 16, 2021, 10:43:13 PM
Giants being the Giants Lions.

Surprisingly good game, though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 16, 2021, 10:55:03 PM
I don’t feel good about any of my WAS futures.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 19, 2021, 12:49:54 PM
Nagy on 4th down so far this year:

Nope
Nope
Nope
Nope
Nope

Smh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 19, 2021, 01:16:11 PM
I’m more interested now to see how the Packers play tomorrow night after this no show by the Saints today.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 19, 2021, 01:36:35 PM
Gruden calling a timeout solely to drop multiple f-bombs on the officials was kinda funny.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 19, 2021, 01:50:18 PM
I’m more interested now to see how the Packers play tomorrow night after this no show by the Saints today.

It is the Lions.  42-10
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 19, 2021, 02:28:36 PM
Not Burrow’s best day.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 19, 2021, 03:10:18 PM
The Bears at this moment are officially in 1st place!  :)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on September 19, 2021, 03:21:01 PM
The Bears at this moment are officially in 1st place!  :)

Congratulations.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 19, 2021, 03:54:44 PM
How bad is the Packers defense?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 19, 2021, 03:57:06 PM
The transitive property isn’t really applicable to the NFL. We will see
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 19, 2021, 05:36:30 PM
The Bears at this moment are officially in 1st place!  :)

Just curious. Has that ever happened before?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 19, 2021, 05:47:23 PM
I’m more interested now to see how the Packers play tomorrow night after this no show by the Saints today.

The transitive property isn’t really applicable to the NFL. We will see

I agree with FBM. But still ...

The Panthers totally, totally, totally dominated the Saints. The game wasn't even as close as the 26-7 score would indicate, as the Panthers controlled it right from the opening minutes to the last snap. The defense was especially dominant -- the Panthers were all over both Winston and Kamara all day, and a Darnold turnover deep in Carolina territory gave the Saints their only score. Aside from that TO, Darnold played quite well.

A subject I heard discussed by more than a few people as I watched from my nosebleed seat was along the lines of "Jeez, how bad must the Packers be?" I didn't see the GB-NO game, so all I can think is that the Packers just had a very bad game and the Saints had a very good game, and sometimes that happens. Sometimes the snowball just gets rolling downhill and there's no stopping it. Indeed, I'm guessing many would say the same about the Panthers and Saints after seeing what happened today, and I'd be reluctant to declare after two games that the Panthers are "better" than either the Saints or Packers.

The Saints WERE bad today, but the Panthers' defense did have a lot to do with it. My team's D was pretty dominant in the opening week, too, but that was against the Jets, so today was considered a "show-me" game. My guys showed quite well!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 19, 2021, 06:33:29 PM
To be clear, my interest is more piqued now than it was previously. I’m not saying there’s definitive correlation between the two, there certainly could be. If the Packers just come out and kick a$$ tomorrow night, nothing to see here.

My eyebrows got raised by how brutal New Orleans was today, and curious to see what exactly that means.

Sidenote: Kudos to the Raiders. Two huge conference wins in 6 days, including going cross country. Getting those out of division conference wins is house money.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on September 19, 2021, 06:38:31 PM
The Packers looking terrible week 1 was very unsurprising. They punted on the preseason and are starting two rookies on the O line for now. I expect an ugly win tomorrow, not great play until Bakhtiari is back, and a 6-0 NFC North record to propel them to a 3 seed or so.

It’s the NFC North.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 19, 2021, 06:39:42 PM
Vikings

https://twitter.com/johnkriesel/status/1439731672107393025?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 19, 2021, 07:49:47 PM
Bucs Falcons game was fun to watch. Bucs late interceptions for TDs made the scoring margin wider than the game actually was .

Atlanta came hard every play to try and beat the defending champs and their divisional rival. I think the Bucs are going to face this kind of intensity every game .

Bucs have so many weapons . Last week Mike Evans was quiet and this week he gets 3 TDs.

Gronk is playing at a very high level and that adds another element of difficulty for the defenses .

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 19, 2021, 10:10:29 PM
The Bears at this moment are officially in 1st place!  :)

Gag Me. I was at that game today. Offense looks like something from the Lovie Smith era. QB problem is at least three years away from being solved.\

Defense will carry this team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 19, 2021, 10:16:50 PM
Baltimore taking 8 minutes off the clock to score…with only one timeout in their back pocket…seems less than ideal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 19, 2021, 10:18:19 PM
Baltimore taking 8 minutes off the clock to score…with only one timeout in their back pocket…seems less than ideal.

Until you fumble…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 19, 2021, 10:23:10 PM
Ballsy call by Harbaugh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 19, 2021, 10:24:14 PM
Gag Me. I was at that game today. Offense looks like something from the Lovie Smith era. QB problem is at least three years away from being solved.\

Defense will carry this team.

It was a joke.  I understand we have serious probs
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 19, 2021, 10:26:05 PM
It's amazing how many games are lost rather than won. This was KC's game to win - in FG range, and they gave it away.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 19, 2021, 10:27:25 PM
Gag Me. I was at that game today. Offense looks like something from the Lovie Smith era. QB problem is at least three years away from being solved.\

Defense will carry this team.



Until they play a good offense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 19, 2021, 10:30:25 PM
Every handoff tonight to CEH was a victory for Baltimore. That handoff he ended up fumbling was an inexcusable play call. KC could have called any number of short pass plays or a Mahomes draw to run clock.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 19, 2021, 10:31:41 PM
It's amazing how many games are lost rather than won. This was KC's game to win - in FG range, and they gave it away.

Yes.  It's vitally important to understand this as a general rule..   I'm guessing we have had 40-45 self-inflicted losses since 2012-13.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 20, 2021, 08:37:55 AM
Yes.  It's vitally important to understand this as a general rule..   I'm guessing we have had 40-45 self-inflicted losses since 2012-13.
Muggsy-

What team is We?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 20, 2021, 08:46:11 AM
Yes.  It's vitally important to understand this as a general rule..   I'm guessing we have had 40-45 self-inflicted losses since 2012-13.


If you think about it, every Bears loss since they made the decisions to hire Trestman, Fox and Nagy in succession have been "self-inflicted" in a way.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 20, 2021, 10:57:47 AM
Muggsy-

What team is We?
Based on Muggsy's history, I would assume he means Marquette basketball.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 20, 2021, 07:18:35 PM
Attack Kevin King seems to be an effective game plan.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on September 20, 2021, 07:19:49 PM
Kevin King doing Kevin King things
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 20, 2021, 07:20:21 PM
Based on Muggsy's history, I would assume he means Marquette basketball.

That is correct.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 20, 2021, 07:23:06 PM
Joe Barry Carroll got his guys ready ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Same miscommunication as last week. Brutal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on September 20, 2021, 07:24:40 PM
Yup, that was King's guy too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 20, 2021, 07:49:11 PM
I wish I realized Jamaal Williams was this good of an interview when he played with the Packers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 20, 2021, 07:52:28 PM
I wish I realized Jamaal Williams was this good of an interview when he played with the Packers.

Rodgers probably made sure all his interviews were scrubbed
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on September 20, 2021, 08:05:42 PM
So Joe Barry sucks?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 20, 2021, 08:07:18 PM
Nothin' butt a prima donna and a bunch of smoes. Aka a fart in da wind, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 20, 2021, 08:10:07 PM
Barry isn’t good but there isn’t enough talent there. Linebackers have been a disaster for years.  I mean even pre-Gutey they had to move Clay there because they were so bad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 20, 2021, 08:22:53 PM
Nothin' butt a prima donna and a bunch of smoes. Aka a fart in da wind, aina?

I think you love GB losing even more than MU losing.

Pretty pathetic.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 20, 2021, 08:24:23 PM
Defense sucks sewer water, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 20, 2021, 08:52:27 PM
I was in Mexico last Monday.

The manning cast is very good. I especially love the wider camera where you can see full formations and more play development
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 20, 2021, 09:01:51 PM
Packers really need to develop a pass rush. Two weeks zero pressure on the QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 20, 2021, 09:09:29 PM
That 4th & 1 play call by Detroit was no bueno.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on September 20, 2021, 09:14:47 PM
Nothin' butt a prima donna and a bunch of smoes. Aka a fart in da wind, aina?

Plenty of room on the 1st place Bears bandwagon, hey.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on September 20, 2021, 09:42:10 PM
Like I said. Packers still play in the NFC North. The defense stinks, but the good news is the QBs in the North are Aaron Rodgers, Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins, and Andy Dalton. Decent gap between what the Pack have and what the Pack will see.

And the OLine needs to be better. The good news is they have one of the best OLineman coming back mid season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 20, 2021, 10:04:50 PM
Definite first half angst, but then dominated. Glad the Pack are on in primetime again next week, as I think this is going to be a real roller coaster season for them.

That Lions team…woof. That final score of the Niners game was always misleading because of the final 2 minutes. Their defense is injured and really really really awful, which is a tough combo to overcome.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 20, 2021, 10:08:30 PM
I don’t understand why the Lions didn’t keep running the ball.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 21, 2021, 07:52:56 AM
Also should add that I did tune in for a bit to the Manning cast...and well...I wasn't terribly impressed.  Networks have been falling all over themselves to get Peyton in a booth, but he's no Tony Romo.  And Eli is just Eli.  We will see if this comes together better.

And as for ESPN, I wish they would strip down their production a little.  They missed the Packers rushing and getting the Lions to be called for 12 men because they were too busy with another graphic production.  I wish they would look at how NBC does the EPL and just let the game do the talking instead of feeling they have to entertain constantly between plays. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 21, 2021, 08:27:18 AM
Also should add that I did tune in for a bit to the Manning cast...and well...I wasn't terribly impressed.  Networks have been falling all over themselves to get Peyton in a booth, but he's no Tony Romo.  And Eli is just Eli.  We will see if this comes together better.

And as for ESPN, I wish they would strip down their production a little.  They missed the Packers rushing and getting the Lions to be called for 12 men because they were too busy with another graphic production.  I wish they would look at how NBC does the EPL and just let the game do the talking instead of feeling they have to entertain constantly between plays.

3 in the booth is rarely a good thing. 3 yakkers, all constantly believing they need to fill the air space. ESPN's isn't one of the best announcing teams in history. But they know it has to be "entertaining," and the networks have been trying to recreate Gifford-Cosell-Meredith forever.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 21, 2021, 08:36:53 AM
3 in the booth is rarely a good thing. 3 yakkers, all constantly believing they need to fill the air space. ESPN's isn't one of the best announcing teams in history. But they know it has to be "entertaining," and the networks have been trying to recreate Gifford-Cosell-Meredith forever.


Agreed.  Chris Fowler and Kirk Herbstreit are excellent together for college football so there are plenty of examples for ESPN to choose from.  But Levy seems to get lost in the banter with all three.  I would go with Levy and either Griese or Riddick and see what works.  Trying to emulate something from 40 years ago when television production was a much different thing, doesn't make sense to me.

And don't get me started on that disaster of a pre-game show.  For goodness sakes stop yelling please.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 21, 2021, 08:57:39 AM

Agreed.  Chris Fowler and Kirk Herbstreit are excellent together for college football so there are plenty of examples for ESPN to choose from.  But Levy seems to get lost in the banter with all three.  I would go with Levy and either Griese or Riddick and see what works.  Trying to emulate something from 40 years ago when television production was a much different thing, doesn't make sense to me.

And don't get me started on that disaster of a pre-game show.  For goodness sakes stop yelling please.

I haven't seen the pregame show ... and it sounds like that's something I should continue avoiding, so thanks!

Agree about Fowler and Herbstreit, and agree that maybe Levy would be OK in a 2-man booth.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 21, 2021, 09:00:33 AM

Agreed.  Chris Fowler and Kirk Herbstreit are excellent together for college football so there are plenty of examples for ESPN to choose from.  But Levy seems to get lost in the banter with all three.  I would go with Levy and either Griese or Riddick and see what works.  Trying to emulate something from 40 years ago when television production was a much different thing, doesn't make sense to me.

And don't get me started on that disaster of a pre-game show.  For goodness sakes stop yelling please.

I’ve not seen much of it, but it seems like they’ve basically taken the C’mon Man and Jack’d Up segments and extrapolated that to a full show.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 21, 2021, 09:08:59 AM
I listen to both Bill Simmons and LeBatard’s podcasts, and both consistently comment about the over production ESPN puts into everything around their NBA/NFL content. Sultan is spot on about them missing things live last night. They can’t let a game just breathe, it’s terribly frustrating.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 21, 2021, 10:32:16 AM
Unvaccinated NFL players living a very different experience than their vaxxed teammates

https://theathletic.com/2828959/2021/09/21/unvaccinated-nfl-players-living-a-very-different-experience-than-their-vaxxed-teammates/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

When Denzel Perryman reported for training camp in late July, he unabashedly stated his intent to forgo COVID-19 vaccination, saying he was fully prepared to deal with the weighty restrictions placed on unvaccinated NFL players.

“Zero vaccination, period,” said Perryman, then on the Panthers’ roster. “Nothing against it. I know people who got the vaccination and still got COVID. To me, what’s the point?

“I know unvaccinated players can’t do this, can’t do that. … It is what it is. It doesn’t bother me, though.”

Later, having dealt with inconvenient daily COVID-19 testing, eating meals in isolation, constant masking and painstaking social-distancing requirements for seven weeks, Perryman has made an abrupt about-face.

“I ain’t gonna lie,” he said earlier this month in Las Vegas after being traded to the Raiders. “Too many restrictions going on. Can’t even eat with my fellow brothers. I don’t like being an outcast.”

Yes, life comes at you fast. The Raiders’ roster, according to the NFL, is now fully vaccinated. And that means Perryman, too.

“We’re segregated,” one player said. “Vaxxed over here, unvaxxed over there.”


Very smart of the NFL to use the stick after the carrot didn't work.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 21, 2021, 10:48:12 AM
Zadarius Smith has to be unvaxxed based on wearing a mask on the sideline last night, right?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 21, 2021, 10:48:56 AM
Aaron Jones jewelry has been found in the end zone. Had his fathers ashes contained  in the shape of a football.

https://sports.yahoo.com/packers-rb-aaron-jones-confirms-145706504.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 21, 2021, 11:37:43 AM
Unvaccinated NFL players living a very different experience than their vaxxed teammates

https://theathletic.com/2828959/2021/09/21/unvaccinated-nfl-players-living-a-very-different-experience-than-their-vaxxed-teammates/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

When Denzel Perryman reported for training camp in late July, he unabashedly stated his intent to forgo COVID-19 vaccination, saying he was fully prepared to deal with the weighty restrictions placed on unvaccinated NFL players.

“Zero vaccination, period,” said Perryman, then on the Panthers’ roster. “Nothing against it. I know people who got the vaccination and still got COVID. To me, what’s the point?

“I know unvaccinated players can’t do this, can’t do that. … It is what it is. It doesn’t bother me, though.”

Later, having dealt with inconvenient daily COVID-19 testing, eating meals in isolation, constant masking and painstaking social-distancing requirements for seven weeks, Perryman has made an abrupt about-face.

“I ain’t gonna lie,” he said earlier this month in Las Vegas after being traded to the Raiders. “Too many restrictions going on. Can’t even eat with my fellow brothers. I don’t like being an outcast.”

Yes, life comes at you fast. The Raiders’ roster, according to the NFL, is now fully vaccinated. And that means Perryman, too.

“We’re segregated,” one player said. “Vaxxed over here, unvaxxed over there.”


Very smart of the NFL to use the stick after the carrot didn't work.

Something tells me that Gruden had zero patience with the anti-Baxter’s on the team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 21, 2021, 07:17:19 PM
Same old Lions.     Depleted secondary already heading into week 3.     Being a Lions defensive back is like being a Spinal Tap drummer.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 21, 2021, 08:05:07 PM
Wheel trade ya #20 four a previously used Bike jockstrap. Deel, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on September 21, 2021, 08:55:32 PM
Zadarius Smith has to be unvaxxed based on wearing a mask on the sideline last night, right?

Maybe he's just being extra careful. Probably not. But maybe.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 22, 2021, 08:27:23 AM
Panthers are 7.5-point road favorites in tomorrow night's game.

Sucker line?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on September 22, 2021, 08:31:56 AM
Panthers are 7.5-point road favorites in tomorrow night's game.

Sucker line?

Not with the Panthers' defense playing like it has been to start the season + Davis Mills at QB
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on September 22, 2021, 11:42:44 AM
Panthers are 7.5-point road favorites in tomorrow night's game.

Sucker line?

With Mills at QB I think it’s a solidly placed line
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 22, 2021, 12:13:56 PM
Much as I hate the Queens, I think they are a great play this week at +1.5
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 22, 2021, 01:37:53 PM
Not with the Panthers' defense playing like it has been to start the season + Davis Mills at QB

That's what I keep telling myself. I never bet on Panthers games (or Marquette games), but I obviously hope the oddsmakers are right here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 22, 2021, 02:02:51 PM
MO Supreme Court denies the Rams/NFL appeal over their objection to disclosure of financial information towards the pursuit of punitive damages. A protective order would be in place, but if this sucker goes to trial, anything during a hearing is public.

I still can’t believe how little attention this story is getting. Having followed it, I believe the city/county want this to go to trial. Any settlement negotiation is going to start at $3-$5 billion. If this goes to trial, once the NFL/Rams lose (which seems very likely as the NFL’s legal team has been a total $hit show so far), they’ll go through the appellate system and try to eventually get this to the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 22, 2021, 02:12:53 PM
MO Supreme Court denies the Rams/NFL appeal over their objection to disclosure of financial information towards the pursuit of punitive damages. A protective order would be in place, but if this sucker goes to trial, anything during a hearing is public.

I still can’t believe how little attention this story is getting. Having followed it, I believe the city/county want this to go to trial. Any settlement negotiation is going to start at $3-$5 billion. If this goes to trial, once the NFL/Rams lose (which seems very likely as the NFL’s legal team has been a total $hit show so far), they’ll go through the appellate system and try to eventually get this to the Supreme Court.

Thank you for the updates.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 22, 2021, 02:17:31 PM
MO Supreme Court denies the Rams/NFL appeal over their objection to disclosure of financial information towards the pursuit of punitive damages. A protective order would be in place, but if this sucker goes to trial, anything during a hearing is public.

I still can’t believe how little attention this story is getting. Having followed it, I believe the city/county want this to go to trial. Any settlement negotiation is going to start at $3-$5 billion. If this goes to trial, once the NFL/Rams lose (which seems very likely as the NFL’s legal team has been a total $hit show so far), they’ll go through the appellate system and try to eventually get this to the Supreme Court.

NFL doesn’t want it covered.  Media partners will oblige
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on September 22, 2021, 04:53:44 PM
Elton Jenkins not practicing heading into a game against the 49ers is not ideal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 22, 2021, 05:37:10 PM
Elton Jenkins not practicing heading into a game against the 49ers is not ideal.

GB doesn't win in Florida. They don't win in California. Just hope nobody gets hurt.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 23, 2021, 05:49:48 PM
Lamar Jackson apparently hurt his hip when he did a flip while going untouched into the end zone the other day.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 23, 2021, 06:05:05 PM
Antonio Brown out with Covid for Bucs. Luckily Tampa is very deep at wide receiver. However, AB has otherwise been very healthy and has presented a lot of problems for defenses this year , when the Bucs line him up with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. It is pick your poison for the defense .

I think the Rams will take some wind out of Tampa Bays sails this weekend. Matt Stafford adds a lot to the Rams offense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 23, 2021, 07:43:03 PM
Antonio Brown out with Covid for Bucs. Luckily Tampa is very deep at wide receiver. However, AB has otherwise been very healthy and has presented a lot of problems for defenses this year , when the Bucs line him up with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. It is pick your poison for the defense .

I think the Rams will take some wind out of Tampa Bays sails this weekend. Matt Stafford adds a lot to the Rams offense.

I believe he still has a chance to play since he’s vaccinated. He needs two negative tests 24 hours apart.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 23, 2021, 09:05:33 PM
This Panthers effort tonight…yikes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 23, 2021, 09:51:15 PM
This Panthers effort tonight…yikes.
The good news is so far they are winning .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 23, 2021, 10:36:51 PM
This Panthers effort tonight…yikes.

Played a lot better in the second half. D got after the Houston rookie QB and the OL blocked much better for Darnold, who was very good.

Covered easily, which should make you happy, Dish.

Costly win, though. McCaffrey has gotta miss a few weeks with a hammy, and the rookie CB who has played so well, Jaycee Horn, looked hurt pretty bad, which would suck.

Still ... you can't go undefeated if you don't start 3-0!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 23, 2021, 11:30:16 PM
Played a lot better in the second half. D got after the Houston rookie QB and the OL blocked much better for Darnold, who was very good.

Covered easily, which should make you happy, Dish.

Costly win, though. McCaffrey has gotta miss a few weeks with a hammy, and the rookie CB who has played so well, Jaycee Horn, looked hurt pretty bad, which would suck.

Still ... you can't go undefeated if you don't start 3-0!

I didn’t play this game, but I wrote this before they finally gained control. The four offsides penalty is just too sloppy. The call to go for it on 4th and 1 (that was a loooonnnngggg 1 btw), right after CMC got hurt, and by pass going up 10, made no sense. Just win baby, but for 3 quarters or so, it was no bueno by the Panthers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 23, 2021, 11:39:27 PM
I didn’t play this game, but I wrote this before they finally gained control. The four offsides penalty is just too sloppy. The call to go for it on 4th and 1 (that was a loooonnnngggg 1 btw), right after CMC got hurt, and by pass going up 10, made no sense. Just win baby, but for 3 quarters or so, it was no bueno by the Panthers.

Watched the game at a local sports bar with a couple of friends and all of us were screaming at Rhule to kick the FG there!

It's not uncommon for a team to play down to the level of its opponent, at least for awhile, but in the end the better team pulled away to win by 15 on the road.

If it wasn't for the injuries to McCaffrey and Horn, I'd be pretty satisfied with this ugly win.

UPDATE:

Reports say McCaffrey will be out for "a few weeks." It's not a torn hamstring, so it's not expected to be a season-ender or anything horrible like that.

Unfortunately, Horn broke 3 bones in his foot and his rookie season might be over. He was playing great, had all the traits necessary for a shut-down corner. Bad break for the Panthers and for the kid. Like McCaffrey, he got hurt on a non-contact play, which is freaky.

One of the starting safeties, Juston Burris, also got hurt. Could miss some time with a groin injury.

Very costly win.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 24, 2021, 08:15:29 PM
Watched the game at a local sports bar with a couple of friends and all of us were screaming at Rhule to kick the FG there!

It's not uncommon for a team to play down to the level of its opponent, at least for awhile, but in the end the better team pulled away to win by 15 on the road.

If it wasn't for the injuries to McCaffrey and Horn, I'd be pretty satisfied with this ugly win.

UPDATE:

Reports say McCaffrey will be out for "a few weeks." It's not a torn hamstring, so it's not expected to be a season-ender or anything horrible like that.

Unfortunately, Horn broke 3 bones in his foot and his rookie season might be over. He was playing great, had all the traits necessary for a shut-down corner. Bad break for the Panthers and for the kid. Like McCaffrey, he got hurt on a non-contact play, which is freaky.

One of the starting safeties, Juston Burris, also got hurt. Could miss some time with a groin injury.

Very costly win.
It is a long 17 game season and your team is off to a good start. I think they have a shot at making the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 25, 2021, 12:46:28 PM
It is a long 17 game season and your team is off to a good start. I think they have a shot at making the playoffs.

I agree. If the defense can keep dominating and if Darnold keeps playing well, definitely a possible playoff team.

But the back end of the schedule is the toughest in the entire league, so they need to keep making hay early.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 26, 2021, 12:46:44 PM
Sean Payton obviously is a good coach, but sometimes he outsmarts himself.

Saints are up 7-0, facing 3rd-and-6 on the NE 37. Winston’s having a good game, but Payton can’t resist sending in Hill, who slams into the line and is held to 3.

Ok, I think, Payton knew he’d go on 4th-and-short if Hill didn’t make it. But no … he sends out the kicker, who hooks a 52-yard attempt wide left.

Oh, and it was a fill-in kicker; Lutz is on IR.

Whole sequence made no sense.



Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on September 26, 2021, 01:00:40 PM
I don't get his obsession with Hill.  Anytime Hill is lined up behind center it's a win for the defense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on September 26, 2021, 01:01:55 PM
Sean Payton obviously is a good coach, but sometimes he outsmarts himself.

Saints are up 7-0, facing 3rd-and-6 on the NE 37. Winston’s having a good game, but Payton can’t resist sending in Hill, who slams into the line and is held to 3.

Ok, I think, Payton knew he’d go on 4th-and-short if Hill didn’t make it. But no … he sends out the kicker, who hooks a 52-yard attempt wide left.

Oh, and it was a fill-in kicker; Lutz is on IR.

Whole sequence made no sense.

Agree, nothing clever with Hill running a key play. The league has seen it enough it’s not surprising anyone and Hill isn’t good enough make it effective on his own ability.

Then compounding botching the third down play with a backup kicker trying a 50 yarder on 4th and 3 is really ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 26, 2021, 01:03:34 PM
Is it insane to think the Chiefs finish last in the AFC West?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on September 26, 2021, 01:06:54 PM
Is it insane to think the Chiefs finish last in the AFC West?

Probably since they far and away have the best QB in the division. But they have serious problems elsewhere on that team. Not winning the West is not insane to consider.

They look like a fart in the wind.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 26, 2021, 01:18:22 PM
I don't get his obsession with Hill.  Anytime Hill is lined up behind center it's a win for the defense.

Especially on 3rd-and-longish.

Agree, nothing clever with Hill running a key play. The league has seen it enough it’s not surprising anyone and Hill isn’t good enough make it effective on his own ability.

Then compounding botching the third down play with a backup kicker trying a 50 yarder on 4th and 3 is really ridiculous.

Yep, on all that.

It’s Payton saying, “I invented Taysom Hill, and I’m the smartest guy in the room … so there!”
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 26, 2021, 01:23:54 PM
Arizona game. Prater goes for a 68-yard FG. Comes up short, results in a 109-yard return for a TD by Jacksonville.

Crazy bad decision by Arizona.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 26, 2021, 01:27:37 PM
Need a wellness check on Gus Johnson.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 26, 2021, 01:54:51 PM
Fields looks....?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 26, 2021, 01:59:18 PM
Every year there’s a Week 1 result where we look back at the end of the season and say “WTF??”.

This year it’ll be how did Pittsburgh win at Buffalo.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 26, 2021, 02:00:21 PM
So... Who is the consensus #1 draft pick for 2022?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 26, 2021, 02:09:42 PM
My head is going to explode.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 26, 2021, 02:37:32 PM
My head is going to explode.
So is Fields'.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on September 26, 2021, 02:41:33 PM
So is Fields'.

Just zero protection. And the bears offensive line was serviceable the past two weeks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 26, 2021, 02:55:47 PM
I thought going into the week Lions +8 was one of the better plays out there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 26, 2021, 02:57:54 PM
Fields looks....?

Someone who has zero time to make a decision, much less throw.  He's getting bumrushed on every drop back.

Sending Jason Peters out there is coaching malpractice.  I don't care what injuries or depth issues you have, any young mildly experienced guy is better than a literal 40 year old who can't move and is coming off back to back injury riddled seasons
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 26, 2021, 03:01:42 PM
My head explode comment was in regards to Nagy’s decision to kick on 4th down instead of going for the TD.

I’ve said plenty on Nagy being awful on here since year 1.

Just bring in Daboll, start the 2022 season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 26, 2021, 03:03:16 PM
The Lions quit trying to go down field in the second half.  Dump offs to the rb's and short passes to the wr's and te's.   They then made plays in space.   It isn't over yet.   The Ravens will get the ball back with lots of time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 26, 2021, 03:09:46 PM
The Lions quit trying to go down field in the second half.  Dump offs to the rb's and short passes to the wr's and te's.   They then made plays in space.   It isn't over yet.   The Ravens will get the ball back with lots of time.

It is the Lions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 26, 2021, 03:13:32 PM
I never understand when franchises rush young QBs in to start for bad teams. Give them a year to get used to the speed of the NFL and learn how to be a pro without risking injury or breaking their spirit. Take your lumps for a year. Use the better draft position to collect better pieces to put around your future franchise QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 26, 2021, 03:17:08 PM
The lack of a delay of game penalty the play before the 66 yard kick was interesting.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 26, 2021, 03:17:48 PM
Unbelievable kick by Tucker, vintage Lions loss.

Big fan of Herbert
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 26, 2021, 03:21:12 PM
The lack of a delay of game penalty the play before the 66 yard kick was interesting.

NFL referees usually seem to give that call the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 26, 2021, 03:24:37 PM
NFL referees usually seem to give that call the benefit of the doubt.

It was 2.5 seconds after the play clock hit 0. It wasn’t even close.

https://twitter.com/jakechsfbnmore/status/1442220631265775616?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 26, 2021, 03:31:44 PM
Time has no meaning when the Lions are involved.   Entire rules have been changed to justify the Lions losing.   Pass interference flags get picked up in playoff gamrs against the Lions.  The same kicker has now made two 60+ yard field goals to beat the Lions.  It is the fate of the Lions.  It is a comedy, not a tragedy.


Vegas should figure out how to do odds on the Lions finding ways to lose no one has seen before.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 26, 2021, 04:14:01 PM
My head explode comment was in regards to Nagy’s decision to kick on 4th down instead of going for the TD.

I’ve said plenty on Nagy being awful on here since year 1.

Just bring in Daboll, start the 2022 season.

Nagy should be fired for a game plan that did zero to help Fields. I think he has shown everyone who he is.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 26, 2021, 04:21:23 PM
I never understand when franchises rush young QBs in to start for bad teams. Give them a year to get used to the speed of the NFL and learn how to be a pro without risking injury or breaking their spirit. Take your lumps for a year. Use the better draft position to collect better pieces to put around your future franchise QB.

Some believe "taking your lumps" includes playing for a bad team, and many will argue that's what ultimately helped shape the careers of guys like Manning, Elway, Bradshaw, Newton, Griese, etc, etc, etc. The theory is that if you survive that, and you have talent, it will make you better in the long run.

A relative few believe that you sit the kid for a year and let him learn mostly from the bench "without risking injury or breaking their spirit." Many think that's hard to justify doing today because you have to make decisions on them so early in their careers.

The Bears seemed ready to sit Fields for much of this season, but they felt the injury to Dalton forced their hand.

The ideal situation is if you have a GOOD team but draft a QB anyway, and then you have the luxury of not playing him -- KC with Mahomes, Packers with Rodgers, Dolphins with Marino, etc.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 26, 2021, 04:22:02 PM
Stunning.

https://twitter.com/jppalmCBS/status/1442229283724873730?t=gS_zVbJ_U3Gt1CZxcOeLag&s=19
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 26, 2021, 04:31:35 PM
This is why Pace and Nagy should have never been brought back.  They had their chance with Trubisky and failed.  Now you have drafted another "quarterback of the future," and kept people around who have shown no ability to develop a quarterback.  Which means you will likely have another coaching staff coming in setting Fields' development back further.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 26, 2021, 05:35:13 PM
Andy Reid taken by ambulance to hospital after Chiefs game.

“Felt ill,” was all that was in the report so far.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 26, 2021, 05:52:48 PM
The Bears seemed ready to sit Fields for much of this season, but they felt the injury to Dalton forced their hand.

Thats giving the Bears WAYYYY too much credit.  I dont think they had a clue of a cohesive long term plan for Fields.  They were putting Fields in randomly for gimmick plays and alternate looks from the start.  As soon as the Bears fell to 2-4 or 2-5, panic throwing Fields in there cause Dalton wasn't getting it done seemed likely.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 26, 2021, 06:10:17 PM
Time has no meaning when the Lions are involved.   Entire rules have been changed to justify the Lions losing.   Pass interference flags get picked up in playoff gamrs against the Lions.  The same kicker has now made two 60+ yard field goals to beat the Lions.  It is the fate of the Lions.  It is a comedy, not a tragedy.


Vegas should figure out how to do odds on the Lions finding ways to lose no one has seen before.
I remember where I was when Tom Dempsey kicked the 63 yarder back in the day
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 26, 2021, 06:22:44 PM
Bucs need to sign some defensive backfield help soon
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 26, 2021, 06:24:32 PM
Thats giving the Bears WAYYYY too much credit.  I dont think they had a clue of a cohesive long term plan for Fields.  They were putting Fields in randomly for gimmick plays and alternate looks from the start.  As soon as the Bears fell to 2-4 or 2-5, panic throwing Fields in there cause Dalton wasn't getting it done seemed likely.

This!!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 26, 2021, 06:28:05 PM
There is bad and then there is BEAR BAD!

Bear Bad is brining in an RPO quarterback and sitting him in the pocket, and getting him killed.

Bear Bad is forgetting what a screen pass is as the linemen rush in.

Bear Bad is no chip blocking.

Bear Bad is paying a washed up tight end $10 million and letting Kyle Fuller go.

Bear Bad is trying to build a new stadium in a remote suburb while having a contender for the first choice in the draft because your coach is an idiot.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 26, 2021, 06:35:04 PM
Thats giving the Bears WAYYYY too much credit.  I dont think they had a clue of a cohesive long term plan for Fields.  They were putting Fields in randomly for gimmick plays and alternate looks from the start.  As soon as the Bears fell to 2-4 or 2-5, panic throwing Fields in there cause Dalton wasn't getting it done seemed likely.

Fair. You’re a lot closer to the situation than I am.

Meanwhile….

Thankfully, the “Bucs can go unbeaten” talk is officially done.

Not sure how much longer I’ll be able to say this, so I’ll scream it now:

FIRST-PLACE PANTHERS!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 26, 2021, 06:35:49 PM
There is bad and then there is BEAR BAD!

Bear Bad is brining in an RPO quarterback and sitting him in the pocket, and getting him killed.

Bear Bad is forgetting what a screen pass is as the linemen rush in.

Bear Bad is no chip blocking.

Bear Bad is paying a washed up tight end $10 million and letting Kyle Fuller go.

Bear Bad is trying to build a new stadium in a remote suburb while having a contender for the first choice in the draft because your coach is an idiot.
Better than the Lions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 26, 2021, 06:37:34 PM
Better than the Lions.
Bears Lions will be an interesting game
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 26, 2021, 06:43:30 PM
Detroit actually did some positive things today.   No moral victories.   But I have gone from thinking they would go 0-16 to thinking they will eke out a couple of wins.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 26, 2021, 07:29:04 PM
There is bad and then there is BEAR BAD!

Bear Bad is brining in an RPO quarterback and sitting him in the pocket, and getting him killed.

Bear Bad is forgetting what a screen pass is as the linemen rush in.

Bear Bad is no chip blocking.

Bear Bad is paying a washed up tight end $10 million and letting Kyle Fuller go.

Bear Bad is trying to build a new stadium in a remote suburb while having a contender for the first choice in the draft because your coach is an idiot.

Your post was spot on till this.  They're taking Arlington Heights, not Joliet or Naperville.  Just over 20 miles from downtown.  Its not a remote suburb when its 10 miles from O'Hare.

And the Bears aren't the Jaguars, making long term stadium decisions has nothing to do if they are good or not, people still go to games, and still will go even if the stadium is in Arlington and the Bears are 5-12.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 26, 2021, 07:58:56 PM
The lack of a delay of game penalty the play before the 66 yard kick was interesting.

Apparently the TV graphic was off, they started it at 35, when the in game clock was set to 40.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 26, 2021, 08:04:32 PM
Alexander has some wheels to make that interception
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 26, 2021, 08:05:56 PM
Someone hit a 66 yard field goal?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 26, 2021, 08:08:15 PM
TAKE THE POINTS!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on September 26, 2021, 08:09:47 PM
TAKE THE POINTS!

No. Underdog on the road. First down available before the end zone. Go for it every time.

Not a fan of the rolling pocket though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 26, 2021, 08:10:36 PM
TAKE THE POINTS!
When no one was open on that 4th and 1,Rodgers should have drop kicked a FG
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 26, 2021, 08:10:47 PM
Nah, den #12 wood bitch LF took da ball outta da MVP's mitts, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 26, 2021, 08:18:33 PM
I would have run the ball.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 26, 2021, 08:28:13 PM
The PI offense is going nicely.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 26, 2021, 08:32:11 PM
I would have run the ball.




Fluffster, don't quit yo day job, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 26, 2021, 08:33:50 PM
The PI offense is going nicely.

They must feel they can exploit something with the deep ball. I don’t know that I’ve seen Rodgers throw this much deep unless someone jumps offside.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 26, 2021, 08:38:19 PM



Fluffster, don't quit yo day job, hey?

It’s well established that I would be a terrible football coach.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 26, 2021, 08:41:11 PM
Good first half . Looking forward to more of the same in the second.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 26, 2021, 08:43:29 PM
Same old. Same old. How can the same team have the worst special teams every year?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 26, 2021, 08:52:50 PM
Good first half . Looking forward to more of the same in the second.
I spoke to soon . I thought the half was over after the Pack touchdown.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 26, 2021, 08:53:03 PM
No intentional grounding on Garoppolo?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on September 26, 2021, 09:00:27 PM
No intentional grounding on Garoppolo?

Yes, should have been. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on September 26, 2021, 09:02:34 PM
Same old. Same old. How can the same team have the worst special teams every year?

It’s so frustrating and that could end up being very costly.  The way defense has been playing, I think at most, maybe SF gets a FG.  Now a TD and momentum for the 2nd half.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 26, 2021, 09:25:49 PM
Pack in a streetfight now
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 26, 2021, 09:42:36 PM
Good strategy to get MVS involved. So much attention paid to Adams
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 26, 2021, 09:55:07 PM
Lafleur might play this game under protest the 2 calls just absolutely bailing out SF
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 26, 2021, 09:59:50 PM
In what world is that not an illegal hit?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 26, 2021, 10:00:02 PM
Lafleur might play this game under protest the 2 calls just absolutely bailing out SF

Bump
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 26, 2021, 10:00:59 PM
Bump

Officials need to make extra cash, too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on September 26, 2021, 10:01:14 PM
Some of the zebras have some money on this game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 26, 2021, 10:01:43 PM
In what world is that not an illegal hit?

One of the most aggregious examples of targeting I've seen. Defender lowered his helmet and intentionally targeted Adam's head...yet no flag.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 26, 2021, 10:10:17 PM
I have questions
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 26, 2021, 10:10:25 PM
And then that roughing the passer…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 26, 2021, 10:17:03 PM
I do not approve going for 3, when up 3, with under 4 minutes left.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on September 26, 2021, 10:21:00 PM
I do not approve going for 3, when up 3, with under 4 minutes left.

Agreed. Thought the Packers should have gone for it. Would prefer they were up 3.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 26, 2021, 10:26:15 PM
TAKE THE POINTS!

Those 3 points would be really nice right now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on September 26, 2021, 10:26:55 PM
Rodgers using 6 timeouts in the middle of quarters just trying to draw teams offsides rather than running the play that’s called is always awesome.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 26, 2021, 10:27:15 PM
So dumb. Never, ever, ever go for 3 in that spot.

Even if they score in the last :37 seconds, it’s always an awful strategy to go for 3, up 3.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 26, 2021, 10:27:45 PM
Those 3 points would be really nice right now.

No idea how the game was going to play out at that point.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on September 26, 2021, 10:31:35 PM
Sure seems like the right decision to me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 26, 2021, 10:32:18 PM
No idea how the game was going to play out at that point.

Still was a bad call. I think it was to appease Rodgers.

No matter.

Rodgers, Crosby, and Adams bail them out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 26, 2021, 10:32:39 PM
Look I get why you want to take the points there. But SF didn’t at the end of the half and it worked. Sometimes you take the risk.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 26, 2021, 10:33:14 PM
As soon as the FB scored for SF, I said that it was too bad for SF that he didn’t get stopped at the 1.

Entertaining game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 26, 2021, 10:33:29 PM
That was terrible defense by SF.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 26, 2021, 10:33:54 PM
The best part of WINNING?

No gibberish from 4ever.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 26, 2021, 10:34:05 PM
Play of the game was the 3 missed tackles on Juszczyk at the goal line.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 26, 2021, 10:34:21 PM
Look I get why you want to take the points there. But SF didn’t at the end of the half and it worked. Sometimes you take the risk.

Fair point. It wasn't a terrible call. I'm being a bit hyperbolic.

But in general, I say take the points on the road.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 26, 2021, 10:35:42 PM
Just about as good as they can play.

Now we have to hope Gutey doesn’t break up the team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 26, 2021, 10:35:59 PM
One hell of an ending in Santa Clara

Damn straight they win
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 26, 2021, 10:38:46 PM
Fair point. It wasn't a terrible call. I'm being a bit hyperbolic.

But in general, I say take the points on the road.

Fair enough and I understand why. It’s just not the slam dunk that some people think it should be.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on September 26, 2021, 10:39:19 PM
One key stat:

GB: 3 sacks, and a forced fumble on a QB hit.
SF: 1 sack

Jenkins out, line in rough shape going against the vaunted SF D-line, and GB won in the trenches.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 26, 2021, 10:39:24 PM
I gotta give credit to Joe Barry since I have been ragging him. Pretty well played game by the defense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 26, 2021, 10:43:23 PM
One key stat:

GB: 3 sacks, and a forced fumble on a QB hit.
SF: 1 sack

Jenkins out, line in rough shape going against the vaunted SF D-line, and GB won in the trenches.

Great point, and Rodgers' blindside was never really at risk. Enabled a lot of shot plays.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 26, 2021, 10:52:14 PM
Media always misses things like this and it drives me nuts…

The last two Niners offensive snaps came at 1:18 and 0:43. Both snaps were inside the Packers 25, SF had all 3 timeouts. The snap at 1:18, complete to Kittle, he does a great job not to go out of bounds.

Niners score with 0:37 left.

The problem? The play clock had 12 seconds left on it at both the 1:18 & 0:43 snaps, while the game clock is running.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 26, 2021, 10:53:41 PM
Once Kittle got the big pass to convert the 3rd and 10 on their last drive, my hope was that they scored quick enough to give us a shot at the game winner. I was screaming to let the FB get into the endzone.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 26, 2021, 11:33:40 PM
Your post was spot on till this.  They're taking Arlington Heights, not Joliet or Naperville.  Just over 20 miles from downtown.  Its not a remote suburb when its 10 miles from O'Hare.

And the Bears aren't the Jaguars, making long term stadium decisions has nothing to do if they are good or not, people still go to games, and still will go even if the stadium is in Arlington and the Bears are 5-12.

Bear Bad means taking advantage of the fan base.

I've had season tickets to the Bears since 1996. When the Bears opened New Soldier Field, my seats were in Row 31, close to the top of the Grandstand. I'm in Row 13 now and barely missed being in Row 4. I've watched as the no shows went from a few hundred to nearly entire sections being empty for more than a few games. On the OB and Hamp show today, Dan Hampton intoned the obvious --the Bear fan will only put up with so much more of this. He is fearful the crappy play and poor coaching will alienate the average Bear fan for the last time.

As to Arlington Heights being "remote," try getting there if you live in the south suburbs. Or NW Indiana. There's a huge segment of Bear fans that are going to be a lot further removed, both in distance and drive time, if the Bears move to the suburbs. If you're not on the UP North Line, mass transit is a limited option. There is one major highway link into the stadium -- Illinois 53 north of the Tollway -- and the probability of any new highways into the region is about the same as Matt Nagy leading the Bears to the Super Bowl this year.

As to the Bears not being the Jaguars, we'll we will see. It's not looking good on that front. At least Shahid Kahn is throwing money around like, well, he has it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 26, 2021, 11:46:49 PM
Bear Bad means taking advantage of the fan base.

I've had season tickets to the Bears since 1996. When the Bears opened New Soldier Field, my seats were in Row 31, close to the top of the Grandstand. I'm in Row 13 now and barely missed being in Row 4. I've watched as the no shows went from a few hundred to nearly entire sections being empty for more than a few games. On the OB and Hamp show today, Dan Hampton intoned the obvious --the Bear fan will only put up with so much more of this. He is fearful the crappy play and poor coaching will alienate the average Bear fan for the last time.

As to Arlington Heights being "remote," try getting there if you live in the south suburbs. Or NW Indiana. There's a huge segment of Bear fans that are going to be a lot further removed, both in distance and drive time, if the Bears move to the suburbs. If you're not on the UP North Line, mass transit is a limited option. There is one major highway link into the stadium -- Illinois 53 north of the Tollway -- and the probability of any new highways into the region is about the same as Matt Nagy leading the Bears to the Super Bowl this year.

As to the Bears not being the Jaguars, we'll we will see. It's not looking good on that front. At least Shahid Kahn is throwing money around like, well, he has it.

I’m not sure why all the angst right now about Arlington Heights. The actual fact is the vast majority of season ticket holders will have way better access. You have to remove the word “fan” from “season ticket holder”. The fan that lives in Orland Park that goes twice a year, and has to drive to Arlington Heights? No one cares.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 26, 2021, 11:50:56 PM
https://twitter.com/SamHouseholder/status/1442321763333914627?s=19

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The more I think about it, the more I hope that Virginia’s 17 children want to sell the Bears, Pat Ryan buys them out, moves to Arlington Heights and hires a president of football operations and the stadium is nicknamed the House that Fields Built.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Mutaman on September 27, 2021, 12:52:17 AM
I think Rodgers/Adams gained more yards in those last 37 seconds than the Bears did the entire game. If not, it was pretty close.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 27, 2021, 07:14:19 AM
I’m not sure why all the angst right now about Arlington Heights. The actual fact is the vast majority of season ticket holders will have way better access. You have to remove the word “fan” from “season ticket holder”. The fan that lives in Orland Park that goes twice a year, and has to drive to Arlington Heights? No one cares.

Yep.
The Bears know the ZIP codes for all their season ticket holders, and thus know that Arlington Heights is by no means less convenient for them.
That said, drive times/convenience of fans is pretty far down the list of what's determantive here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 27, 2021, 07:55:08 AM
https://twitter.com/SamHouseholder/status/1442321763333914627?s=19


It took him until now to realize that Ginny's kids should sell the team?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 27, 2021, 08:59:40 AM
Bear Bad means taking advantage of the fan base.

I've had season tickets to the Bears since 1996. When the Bears opened New Soldier Field, my seats were in Row 31, close to the top of the Grandstand. I'm in Row 13 now and barely missed being in Row 4. I've watched as the no shows went from a few hundred to nearly entire sections being empty for more than a few games. On the OB and Hamp show today, Dan Hampton intoned the obvious --the Bear fan will only put up with so much more of this. He is fearful the crappy play and poor coaching will alienate the average Bear fan for the last time.

As to Arlington Heights being "remote," try getting there if you live in the south suburbs. Or NW Indiana. There's a huge segment of Bear fans that are going to be a lot further removed, both in distance and drive time, if the Bears move to the suburbs. If you're not on the UP North Line, mass transit is a limited option. There is one major highway link into the stadium -- Illinois 53 north of the Tollway -- and the probability of any new highways into the region is about the same as Matt Nagy leading the Bears to the Super Bowl this year.

As to the Bears not being the Jaguars, we'll we will see. It's not looking good on that front. At least Shahid Kahn is throwing money around like, well, he has it.

Bear fans have put up with cruddy teams for decades at a time. I lived in Chicago from 1994-2010, and I heard countless times that fans were fed up and wouldn't put up with it any more. Is there a really, truly, actual "breaking point"? We'll see.

And as others have said, drive time to the stadium doesn't matter one iota to the Bears when it comes to finally making a decision on Arlington Park or elsewhere. For every fan in NW Indiana or Homewood who'd rather go to the current facility, there are fans in Elgin, Crystal Lake and Rockford who would be thrilled to go to Arlington instead of Soldier's Field (my friend). Not to mention those in the south suburbs with easy access to 290.

In other news ...

My son has taught my 2-year-old grand-twins how to say "da Bears," so the team has that going for them. (Although it kind of sounds more like "da beers," which I like a lot better!)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 27, 2021, 09:14:05 AM
As to Arlington Heights being "remote," try getting there if you live in the south suburbs. Or NW Indiana. There's a huge segment of Bear fans that are going to be a lot further removed, both in distance and drive time, if the Bears move to the suburbs. If you're not on the UP North Line, mass transit is a limited option. There is one major highway link into the stadium -- Illinois 53 north of the Tollway -- and the probability of any new highways into the region is about the same as Matt Nagy leading the Bears to the Super Bowl this year.

First of all, it's the Metra Northwest line. Second, Pace buses run throughout the Cook County suburbs too. Third, every major highway except I 94 north of the junction intersects with I-355/IL53 to put fans directly onto the site: 294 from the South, 55 from Joliet, 88 from the West, 290 from the city, and 90 from the City. Fourth, I-390 is under construction as we speak (formerly known as the Elgin-O'Hare). Fifth, I look forward to the Matt Nagy Super Bowl this year as a result.

Let's look at Soldier Field: CTA Shuttle buses from train and El stations, LSD only fed by 55 from the Southwest.Walking. Everything else is a bottle neck like Ida B Wells passing through the same choke point.

The only place left uncovered is the high brows from Lake County, where the land for the IL 53 extension is bought, but is being repurposed: "The Route 53 land has the potential to become a space that prioritizes walking and biking and supports a cleaner environment and healthier, more equitable communities." There will be plenty of stadium bike racks for your ilk.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 27, 2021, 10:12:39 AM
The history of the NFL has seen countless stadiums move to the suburbs, back from the suburbs, etc.  The Jets and Giants play in New Jersey.  The 49ers moved to San Jose.  Hell, the Los Angeles Rams moved to St. Louis for over 20 years, returned to LA, built a stadium in crappy ole Inglewood, and it was sold out and rockin' yesterday afternoon. 

And dgies thinks Bear fans wouldn't go to Arlington Heights to go to a game?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on September 27, 2021, 10:26:21 AM
I feel like I hear tons of romantic pedestrian utopia talk about urban baseball stadiums (Wrigley, Fenway, PNC). Obviously, Miller Park is in the middle of a repurposed industrial valley and surrounded by parking lots, so it's kind of the exact opposite.

On the one hand you get the urban bars, restaurants experience in Wrigleyville. On the other you get the tailgating experience by Miller. Lambeau has the tailgating (but GB is kinda it's own little unique environment). Soldier is urban but without any of the neighborhood of Fenway/Wrigley.

I've only ever been to Lambeau and Soldier, do other cities have stadiums in something like a Wrigley environment? I feel like I've driven by Pittsburgh, Denver, and Seattle and came away from seeing all three as though they were vaguely urban but more industrial, but I have not attended a game in any them or been nearby on a gameday so I have no idea.

I kind of get the sense that lots of NFL stadiums are kinda yeeted off into the urban periphery and that doesn't seem to matter to anyone from an attendance perspective.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 27, 2021, 10:33:04 AM
Because the average NFL game has 66,000 fans in attendance so you need parking lots, access to highways, transportation, etc.

That's about twice as many as the top MLB team (Dodgers.)  It's also hard to have an NFL stadium as an economic engine for a neighborhood when it only has ten or so home dates a year.  Versus a baseball team with 80+ or an indoor arena with potentially 100+.  So those factors I don't think are as important as others.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 27, 2021, 10:38:14 AM
I feel like I hear tons of romantic pedestrian utopia talk about urban baseball stadiums (Wrigley, Fenway, PNC). Obviously, Miller Park is in the middle of a repurposed industrial valley and surrounded by parking lots, so it's kind of the exact opposite.

On the one hand you get the urban bars, restaurants experience in Wrigleyville. On the other you get the tailgating experience by Miller. Lambeau has the tailgating (but GB is kinda it's own little unique environment). Soldier is urban but without any of the neighborhood of Fenway/Wrigley.

I've only ever been to Lambeau and Soldier, do other cities have stadiums in something like a Wrigley environment? I feel like I've driven by Pittsburgh, Denver, and Seattle and came away from seeing all three as though they were vaguely urban but more industrial, but I have not attended a game in any them or been nearby on a gameday so I have no idea.

I kind of get the sense that lots of NFL stadiums are kinda yeeted off into the urban periphery and that doesn't seem to matter to anyone from an attendance perspective.

Many other cities have urban stadiums.

Where I live now, Charlotte's football stadium is downtown (which they call "uptown" here), the Hornets arena is a few blocks away (actually in the very heart of uptown) and the newish AAA ballpark is right there, too. All kinds of eating and drinking nearby. The Hornets moved several years ago from an arena on the edge of the city, near pretty much nothing.

And there are many, many others. Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Vegas, Baltimore, Tennessee, St. Louis, New Orleans, Boston, Detroit and San Diego have football and/or baseball stadiums either in the heart of their cities or within easy walking distance to numerous downtown stuff. The G.S. Warriors just moved from a parking lot in Oakland into the heart of San Fran. Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on September 27, 2021, 10:49:07 AM
I feel like I hear tons of romantic pedestrian utopia talk about urban baseball stadiums (Wrigley, Fenway, PNC). Obviously, Miller Park is in the middle of a repurposed industrial valley and surrounded by parking lots, so it's kind of the exact opposite.

On the one hand you get the urban bars, restaurants experience in Wrigleyville. On the other you get the tailgating experience by Miller. Lambeau has the tailgating (but GB is kinda it's own little unique environment). Soldier is urban but without any of the neighborhood of Fenway/Wrigley.

I've only ever been to Lambeau and Soldier, do other cities have stadiums in something like a Wrigley environment? I feel like I've driven by Pittsburgh, Denver, and Seattle and came away from seeing all three as though they were vaguely urban but more industrial, but I have not attended a game in any them or been nearby on a gameday so I have no idea.

I kind of get the sense that lots of NFL stadiums are kinda yeeted off into the urban periphery and that doesn't seem to matter to anyone from an attendance perspective.

Let's not act like the site is in the middle of nowhere. AH's downtown district is going to be a 20 minute walk. I'm sure further development of the Route 14 corridor to will connect the downtown and stadium site.

This could be a cool site when done. Massive existing infrastructure, tons of available land and an existing thriving downtown district within reach.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 27, 2021, 11:09:07 AM
Panthers just traded for C.J. Henderson, a CB who was the #9 overall 2020 draft pick (by Jacksonville). Panthers sending 3rd-round pick and TE Dan Arnold to Jax for Henderson and a 5th-rounder.

Panthers are statistically the NFL's best defense so far (but 2 of the opponents were bad). Unfortunately, my team lost our #1 pick, Jaycee Horn, who was playing great and had a big hole at CB. Starting safety Juston Burris also got hurt but that's not supposed to be as serious.

Henderson has had a short but checkered career so far. Had a decent start as a rookie but missed the second half of the season with injuries. Just had to miss Jacksonville's most recent game with a groin injury but supposedly on the mend. During training camp, he had to sit out in COVID-19 protocol; at the time, he was said to be unvaccinated; not sure what his status is now in that realm.

Panthers obviously are hoping that a change in scenery will do him well. They've been a pretty good judge of young defensive talent, so they've earned the benefit of the doubt from me (and I'm sure they're relieved about that).

It also tells me that Horn's injury (broken bones in foot) is potentially season-ending, dammit. And it tells me that Arnold, whom they talked up after signing him as a free agent, was not impressing them once actual games started. They have a rookie from ND, Tommy Tremble, who is built like a young Gronk and who played superbly last week, and also 2 other TEs on the roster.

Fingers crossed that Henderson can live up to the potential he showed to be a top-10 draft pick only 18 months ago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 27, 2021, 11:43:57 AM
https://youtu.be/Dd2GSHNRC6c

Watch just the first 1:15

Fire Nagy
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2021, 12:29:39 PM
If you are an unemplyed defensive back, you won't be unemployed much longer.   Many teams with a thin secondary.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on September 27, 2021, 01:04:23 PM
https://youtu.be/Dd2GSHNRC6c

Watch just the first 1:15

Fire Nagy

This man has zero business being a head coach in the NFL.  Get rid of him and Pace immediately .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 27, 2021, 01:29:32 PM
Just when you think Nagy can't possibly get any dumber...he totally outdoes himself:

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1442542444680146949?s=19


Quote
Bears’ HC Matt Nagy told reporters today that all three QBs - Justin Fields, Nick Foles and Andy Dalton - are under consideration to start in Week 4 against the Lions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 27, 2021, 01:47:30 PM
Let's not act like the site is in the middle of nowhere. AH's downtown district is going to be a 20 minute walk. I'm sure further development of the Route 14 corridor to will connect the downtown and stadium site.

This could be a cool site when done. Massive existing infrastructure, tons of available land and an existing thriving downtown district within reach.

isn't this similar to what was said about Glendale?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 27, 2021, 01:56:51 PM
isn't this similar to what was said about Glendale?


For the Cardinals?  Where the Cardinals have their stadium is nothing like Arlington Heights.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on September 27, 2021, 02:11:30 PM
isn't this similar to what was said about Glendale?

Not even remotely similar.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 27, 2021, 02:40:30 PM
Let’s get real, people. Whether the Bears move to AH - or even somewhere farther from Downtown will have zero effect on crowd size.

Losing affects attendance. Location of the stadium doesn’t. (see Lambeau Stadium.)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 27, 2021, 03:18:53 PM
The genesis of everybody's criticism of my comment was consideration of Arlington Heights as remote.

Compared to a site at that mortgage company's field (where the morons in 1999 should have built) or the West Side (which is too heavily developed now to build an appropriate stadium), it is remote. It's on the edge of the metro area and unless you're a NW suburbanite, it's a pain in the ass to get to. Despite the Elgin-O'Hare, which is about as close to Raceway Stadium as 894 is to the Fi-Serv, there won't be any new highways up there. You're right in that the Northward extension of the 355 Tollway will never happen. Too many rich people in Long Grove feared for their property values.

Look, I am no great fan of the current Soldier Field. Going there for the past 26 years every game (I think I have missed less than five in that time), you realize quickly what a patronage-based craphole that place is. Everything about it says compromise. And, I mean everything. The Bear fans on the west side grandstand level basically were shoved aside to give the suite and premium seatholders what they want. People are going to get killed trying to get out of that place someday -- killed in a stampede. The slope is so steep on the west side of the stadium I have friends that won't go there for fear of vertigo -- or worse.

The fact is that Soldier Field won't work and is poorly located. A new stadium ideally would be downtown near major transportation lines, including the Ogilvie and Union Stations, as well as the CTA. For those of you who think Arlington Heights is well located, Pace is a rolling crapfest, the Northwest Line is it for mass transit (unless the El is extended) and there's only one way in and out of the future Raceway Stadium -- Illinois 53. They'd be better off tearing down the Rosemont Horizon and building there if the intent is to build in the Northwest Suburbs.

Ultimately, if the Bears win, they could put the stadium in Rockford, Gary or East St. Louis and they'd sell out. But for the past 10 years or so, the Bears have looked more like the Jacksonville Jaguars than the Green Bay Packers.

 

 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on September 27, 2021, 03:33:40 PM
The genesis of everybody's criticism of my comment was consideration of Arlington Heights as remote.

Compared to a site at that mortgage company's field (where the morons in 1999 should have built) or the West Side (which is too heavily developed now to build an appropriate stadium), it is remote. It's on the edge of the metro area and unless you're a NW suburbanite, it's a pain in the ass to get to. Despite the Elgin-O'Hare, which is about as close to Raceway Stadium as 894 is to the Fi-Serv, there won't be any new highways up there. You're right in that the Northward extension of the 355 Tollway will never happen. Too many rich people in Long Grove feared for their property values.

Look, I am no great fan of the current Soldier Field. Going there for the past 26 years every game (I think I have missed less than five in that time), you realize quickly what a patronage-based craphole that place is. Everything about it says compromise. And, I mean everything. The Bear fans on the west side grandstand level basically were shoved aside to give the suite and premium seatholders what they want. People are going to get killed trying to get out of that place someday -- killed in a stampede. The slope is so steep on the west side of the stadium I have friends that won't go there for fear of vertigo -- or worse.

The fact is that Soldier Field won't work and is poorly located. A new stadium ideally would be downtown near major transportation lines, including the Ogilvie and Union Stations, as well as the CTA. For those of you who think Arlington Heights is well located, Pace is a rolling crapfest, the Northwest Line is it for mass transit (unless the El is extended) and there's only one way in and out of the future Raceway Stadium -- Illinois 53. They'd be better off tearing down the Rosemont Horizon and building there if the intent is to build in the Northwest Suburbs.

Ultimately, if the Bears win, they could put the stadium in Rockford, Gary or East St. Louis and they'd sell out. But for the past 10 years or so, the Bears have looked more like the Jacksonville Jaguars than the Green Bay Packers.

 

 

90 is what 2.5 miles away?

This is literally a better location of 75% of metro Chicago. The only massive time variance between AP and Solider is when you start getting out towards Frankfort, Tinley, Hammond, etc. The rest of the area is better served.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 27, 2021, 03:34:22 PM
Arlington Heights isn't on the "edge of the metropolitan area."  Yeah I get it is inconvenient for people from the south suburbs, but its pretty much in the heart of the NW suburbs.

A stadium downtown would be infinitely more expensive.  Furthermore, the owners of these teams not only want a stadium to generate revenue, but they want the real estate around the stadium to develop.  That is why Arlington Heights make sense, and instantly makes the team much more valuable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 27, 2021, 04:59:42 PM
The fact is that Soldier Field won't work and is poorly located. A new stadium ideally would be downtown near major transportation lines, including the Ogilvie and Union Stations, as well as the CTA. For those of you who think Arlington Heights is well located, Pace is a rolling crapfest, the Northwest Line is it for mass transit (unless the El is extended) and there's only one way in and out of the future Raceway Stadium -- Illinois 53. They'd be better off tearing down the Rosemont Horizon and building there if the intent is to build in the Northwest Suburbs.

If you know of 326 acres available downtown, I'm sure the Bears are willing to listen. Maybe Lightfoot gives them Grant Park?

You're vastly exaggerating the transportation downsides of Arlington Park. There are two Route 53 exits on either side of the property, you're 10-15 minutes from multiple I-90 interchanges, and 30 minutes from I-294.
As has been said already, unless you're coming from downtown, Tinley Park or Hammond, you'll have an easier trip.

And if you think Arlington Heights is on "the edge" of the Metro area, I'd like to introduce you to Huntley, Batavia and Plainfield.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 27, 2021, 05:02:12 PM
Move the Bears to Gary
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 27, 2021, 05:05:37 PM
Move the Bears to Gary

Bears to Gary, 2nd Chicago team to Arlington heights?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 27, 2021, 05:26:27 PM
The Elgin-O'Hare short will connect 294 to 355/53 for those South Siders and NWI fans you are so worried about. Plus, it will significantly improve the transport from O'Hare.

Added Pace Xpress buses from the CTA stations, Rosemont Hotel & Entertainment (and betting at Rivers), Woodfield and AH will be as good at the worst as the CTA bus morass, if not significantly better.

We also don't care about the Lake Countians anyway. They are mostly Packers fans. Let them eat cake.

As to Soldier Field, that property is much more valuable redeveloped.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on September 27, 2021, 06:37:40 PM
Just when you think Nagy can't possibly get any dumber...he totally outdoes himself:

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1442542444680146949?s=19

Dunno how the Lions are going to prepare for 3 very different QBs to run the exact same offense
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 27, 2021, 07:30:43 PM
If you have 3 QBs, you have no QBs.

Fields was rated much, much higher than Jordan Love, yet some people here want to show ARod the door so we can be as special as the Bears were on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on September 27, 2021, 07:49:31 PM
The Elgin-O'Hare short will connect 294 to 355/53 for those South Siders and NWI fans you are so worried about. Plus, it will significantly improve the transport from O'Hare.

Added Pace Xpress buses from the CTA stations, Rosemont Hotel & Entertainment (and betting at Rivers), Woodfield and AH will be as good at the worst as the CTA bus morass, if not significantly better.

We also don't care about the Lake Countians anyway. They are mostly Packers fans. Let them eat cake.

As to Soldier Field, that property is much more valuable redeveloped.

Soldier Field (the base, not the spaceship) is a historic landmark, not sure what the Park District would be able to.do with the property as far as redevelopment.   Maybe cut down some of the spaceship and repurpose it for the Fire and concerts.

Or Depaul's football team could play there. (Teal)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 27, 2021, 08:02:28 PM
Soldier Field (the base, not the spaceship) is a historic landmark, not sure what the Park District would be able to.do with the property as far as redevelopment.   Maybe cut down some of the spaceship and repurpose it for the Fire and concerts.

Or Depaul's football team could play there. (Teal)

It’s no longer a historic landmark. And that wouldn’t be a problem if they wanted to tear it down anyway.

https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nationalhistoriclandmarks/grant-park-stadium-soldier-field.htm
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 27, 2021, 08:37:05 PM
Soldier Field (the base, not the spaceship) is a historic landmark, not sure what the Park District would be able to.do with the property as far as redevelopment.   Maybe cut down some of the spaceship and repurpose it for the Fire and concerts.

Or Depaul's football team could play there. (Teal)

The rats will be fine.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on September 27, 2021, 09:59:45 PM
It’s no longer a historic landmark. And that wouldn’t be a problem if they wanted to tear it down anyway.

https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nationalhistoriclandmarks/grant-park-stadium-soldier-field.htm

Didn't know that. Thanks. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 27, 2021, 10:15:08 PM
Cowboys giving the Eagles a Heinie Whoopin
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 27, 2021, 10:36:37 PM
If you know of 326 acres available downtown, I'm sure the Bears are willing to listen. Maybe Lightfoot gives them Grant Park?

You're vastly exaggerating the transportation downsides of Arlington Park. There are two Route 53 exits on either side of the property, you're 10-15 minutes from multiple I-90 interchanges, and 30 minutes from I-294.
As has been said already, unless you're coming from downtown, Tinley Park or Hammond, you'll have an easier trip.

And if you think Arlington Heights is on "the edge" of the Metro area, I'd like to introduce you to Huntley, Batavia and Plainfield.

Brother Pakuni:

Ultimately, I agree with you. Neither you nor I are going to decide where the Bears go. The present value of various locations will be considered ad nausium until they decide to build in Arlington Heights. The political climate in Chicago is not one that's open to trying to work to keep the Bears in town. The Mayor knew that the minute the Bears put their option in on Arlington Heights.

If the McCaskeys thought they could make more money putting the stadium in Kenosha, Wisconsin would have a second professional football team.

By the time Raceway Stadium goes up, I'll have long ago sold my house in Lake County, IL and relinquished my season tickets. It's no sweat off my back if they move to Arlington Heights, or the aforementioned Huntley, Batavia or Plainfield. Unless they move to Indian River County, FL, they won't matter to me.

One interesting problem confronting the Bears will be what to do with Soldier Field PSLs. These PSLs are supposed to be rights to buy a seat in perpetuity and are transferrable. Will they transfer to Raceway Stadium? If they do, it diminishes the source of funding the Bears have. If they don't, they'll be lawsuits coming out the wazoo. I was solicited for a PSL when the Park District built the current Soldier Field and walked away. I don't remember the legal contract and I'm sure some squirmy, greasy lawyer will find an out clause, but the collateral damage on existing season ticket holders will be huge.

P.S. -- I can hardly wait to see 40,000 to 50,000 cars descent on Illinois 53 at 3:30 p.m., on a warm October day in 2031. That's going to be a nightmare. Not to mention Lake Cook Road, Lake Street/Euclid Avenue and Willow/Palatine Road.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 27, 2021, 10:50:53 PM
I sure hope McCarthy gets stoopid again before Sunday, when his Cowboys play my Panthers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 27, 2021, 10:57:21 PM
P.S. -- I can hardly wait to see 40,000 to 50,000 cars descent on Illinois 53 at 3:30 p.m., on a warm October day in 2031. That's going to be a nightmare. Not to mention Lake Cook Road, Lake Street/Euclid Avenue and Willow/Palatine Road.

40,000-50,000 cars? 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 27, 2021, 10:58:56 PM
PSL answer is simple. Once the Bears stop playing in Soldier Field, a current PSL is literally worthless. Legally speaking, the PSL allows a license to buy Bears seats at Soldier Field.

Would the Bears give a right of first refusal to current PSL holders for DraftKings Field at State Farm Stadium? Probably, yes. Will current PSL holders get some type of buyback from the Bears? Not a chance in hell.

The PSL contract is clear as day that it does not transfer to a new stadium.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 27, 2021, 11:01:51 PM
PSL answer is simple. Once the Bears stop playing in Soldier Field, a current PSL is literally worthless. Legally speaking, the PSL allows a license to buy Bears seats at Soldier Field.

Would the Bears give a right of first refusal to current PSL holders for DraftKings Field at State Farm Stadium? Probably, yes. Will current PSL holders get some type of buyback from the Bears? Not a chance in hell.

The PSL contract is clear as day that it does not transfer to a new stadium.

Yikes. I suppose you're right but the ill will the Bears will generate will be huge.

Not that they care...

How about Good Hands Field at Caterpillar Park (for two companies headquartered nearby). Actually, I kinda like Good Hands Field as it gives the Bears something to strive for,
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 27, 2021, 11:14:10 PM
Also meant to add, there’s no way leaving a game in Arlington Heights will be worse than leaving a game at Foxboro.

The. Worst.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 27, 2021, 11:23:43 PM
Yikes. I suppose you're right but the ill will the Bears will generate will be huge.

Not that they care...

How about Good Hands Field at Caterpillar Park (for two companies headquartered nearby). Actually, I kinda like Good Hands Field as it gives the Bears something to strive for,

The Bears have lined up big money behind this: Bluhm, Ryan, McKenna to start. This is a real estate deal through and through. You don't seem to grasp that. Throw in Pritzker, Hyatt and Biden's infrastructure deal and Lori won't know what hit her. There will be Chicago giveaways to appease her but this deal is well on its way to green. In the end, the Chicago Lakefront casino will be worth more than that concrete hunk. Hopefully they don't run off any further investors like Hobson/Lucas for that property.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 28, 2021, 06:43:24 AM
The Bears have lined up big money behind this: Bluhm, Ryan, McKenna to start. This is a real estate deal through and through. You don't seem to grasp that. Throw in Pritzker, Hyatt and Biden's infrastructure deal and Lori won't know what hit her. There will be Chicago giveaways to appease her but this deal is well on its way to green. In the end, the Chicago Lakefront casino will be worth more than that concrete hunk. Hopefully they don't run off any further investors like Hobson/Lucas for that property.

I do grasp that. Take a look again at what I said earlier. The Bears will go where the NPV is highest. The ddeal is as good as done.

You're right -- what's out there now are ancillary issues.

Little Lori already is in a rowboat in a hurricane. She's so far out of it that she'll figure it out a year after the first game is played at Good Hands Stadium.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 28, 2021, 07:02:39 AM
PSL answer is simple. Once the Bears stop playing in Soldier Field, a current PSL is literally worthless. Legally speaking, the PSL allows a license to buy Bears seats at Soldier Field.

Would the Bears give a right of first refusal to current PSL holders for DraftKings Field at State Farm Stadium? Probably, yes. Will current PSL holders get some type of buyback from the Bears? Not a chance in hell.

The PSL contract is clear as day that it does not transfer to a new stadium.

The NFL's richest owner, David Tepper, owns the Panthers. He already is hinting about how much of a taxpayer handout he'll "need" for the new stadium he wants built at some point this decade. Additionally, the realization has set in among current PSL owners that they'll have to pony up the big bucks to buy PSLs again -- because, as you said, the existing PSLs cover only seats at the current stadium.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 28, 2021, 07:23:27 AM
Week 3 and we already have our quote of the year.

Jalen Hurts takes blame in loss to Cowboys: "You take you a deuce, you don't sit there and look at it. You flush it and move on. We're going to flush it and move on."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 28, 2021, 07:24:34 AM
40,000-50,000 cars?

If it is a 75,000 to 85,000 seat stadium, yes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 28, 2021, 07:39:39 AM
If it is a 75,000 to 85,000 seat stadium, yes.

Thousands of people will drive to the game alone?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 28, 2021, 07:48:47 AM
Thousands of people will drive to the game alone?

Apparently half of Bears fans are loners with no family or friends. The other half have no friends but are dragging their spouses to a game. And no one has children or each child is driving separately. Busses, bikers and,  walkers are also not allowed
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 28, 2021, 07:55:33 AM
Week 3 and we already have our quote of the year.

Jalen Hurts takes blame in loss to Cowboys: "You take you a deuce, you don't sit there and look at it. You flush it and move on. We're going to flush it and move on."

Yessir, that is a great quote.

Could apply to many lost arguments on Scoop, too!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 28, 2021, 08:02:25 AM
Week 3 and we already have our quote of the year.

Jalen Hurts takes blame in loss to Cowboys: "You take you a deuce, you don't sit there and look at it. You flush it and move on. We're going to flush it and move on."



Solid advice four those hoo post heer, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 28, 2021, 08:48:17 AM
The Athletic's weekly look at the most recent NFL weekend handed out this dubious "award" ...

Most embarrassing performance: The Bears

Justin Fields completed six of 20 passes for 68 yards and was sacked nine times in his first NFL start. The Bears had 47 total yards and averaged 1.1 yards per play. Among the 608 offensive performances since the start of 2020, this one ranked 602nd in terms of EPA per play. It was as bad of an offensive performance as we’ll see from a team all year.

Matt Nagy’s plan seemed to be to get the ball out of Fields’ hands quickly. His average release time of 2.63 seconds was 10th-fastest among Week 3 starters. But that type of game plan is supposed to create layups and easy completions for the quarterback. Instead, 45 percent of Fields’ attempts were into tight windows. That’s the highest percentage for any quarterback in a game this season, and it’s not particularly close.

The Bears couldn’t protect Fields, and Nagy did nothing scheme-wise to help him do what he does best: Push the ball downfield. Fields had one attempt go more than 15 yards all afternoon, and none traveled more than 20 yards.

During his time in Chicago, Nagy has not shown a knack for making life easier for his quarterbacks or offensive players. But that performance on Sunday felt like a new low.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 28, 2021, 08:58:11 AM
Week 3 and we already have our quote of the year.

Jalen Hurts takes blame in loss to Cowboys: "You take you a deuce, you don't sit there and look at it. You flush it and move on. We're going to flush it and move on."
I think this quote needs to be on the masthead of Scoop after every loss.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 28, 2021, 09:09:12 AM
I saw an interesting take yesterday about Nagy and Eric Bieniemy.  Much has been made about him not getting a HC job and its continually framed in racism.  But maybe teams are taking pause after watching Nagy, and Pederson before him, largely be failures as HCs and pump the brakes on hiring Andy Reid OC/disciples.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 28, 2021, 09:18:15 AM
I saw an interesting take yesterday about Nagy and Eric Bieniemy.  Much has been made about him not getting a HC job and its continually framed in racism.  But maybe teams are taking pause after watching Nagy, and Pederson before him, largely be failures as HCs and pump the brakes on hiring Andy Reid OC/disciples.


I think hiring offensive coordinators who don't call plays is an issue.  One of the reasons Matt LaFleur left the Niners for the Titans is so he could call the plays - and he got a head coaching gig a year later.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 28, 2021, 09:36:47 AM

I think hiring offensive coordinators who don't call plays is an issue.  One of the reasons Matt LaFleur left the Niners for the Titans is so he could call the plays - and he got a head coaching gig a year later.

I'm not disputing this, but I will point out that two of the NFL's most highly regarded head coaches, John Harbaugh and Sean Payton, were not coordinators.

And neither was Ditka, my friend.

A head coach is the CEO, and aside from the very few who call offensive or defensive plays, their main job is to manage the entire operation, get the assistants to work well together, deal with players' egos, make the big in-game decisions, etc.

I am NOT saying that being a play-caller is unimportant. There are too many outstanding head coaches who were offensive or defensive play-callers earlier in their careers to make such a claim. I'm just saying that a lot goes into being a successful head coach other than having been a play-caller as an assistant.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 28, 2021, 09:40:43 AM
Thousands of people will drive to the game alone?

Heck, I do most weeks. I meet people there.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 28, 2021, 09:43:57 AM
I'm not disputing this, but I will point out that two of the NFL's most highly regarded head coaches, John Harbaugh and Sean Payton, were not coordinators.

And neither was Ditka, my friend.

A head coach is the CEO, and aside from the very few who call offensive or defensive plays, their main job is to manage the entire operation, get the assistants to work well together, deal with players' egos, make the big in-game decisions, etc.

I am NOT saying that being a play-caller is unimportant. There are too many outstanding head coaches who were offensive or defensive play-callers earlier in their careers to make such a claim. I'm just saying that a lot goes into being a successful head coach other than having been a play-caller as an assistant.

I think you are misunderstanding my point.  If a team has decided that they want to hire an offensive coach to implement a new offensive scheme that they think will fit their personnel, and they have a choice between two offensive coordinators, one who called plays and the other who didn't, the former is going to be seen as a coach with a greater body of work.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 28, 2021, 09:46:36 AM
I'm not disputing this, but I will point out that two of the NFL's most highly regarded head coaches, John Harbaugh and Sean Payton, were not coordinators.

And neither was Ditka, my friend.

A head coach is the CEO, and aside from the very few who call offensive or defensive plays, their main job is to manage the entire operation, get the assistants to work well together, deal with players' egos, make the big in-game decisions, etc.

I am NOT saying that being a play-caller is unimportant. There are too many outstanding head coaches who were offensive or defensive play-callers earlier in their careers to make such a claim. I'm just saying that a lot goes into being a successful head coach other than having been a play-caller as an assistant.

Ditka was highly regarded? That offense wasn’t what won him a SB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 28, 2021, 09:51:41 AM
Ditka was highly regarded? That offense wasn’t what won him a SB.

He did win Coach of the Year twice, something only 11 other coaches have done.
And while obviously those were defense-driven teams, he did have six top 10 offenses during his Bears tenure, and two others that ranked 11th.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 28, 2021, 09:55:35 AM
This is nit picky, but Payton was an Offensive Coordinator that called plays for the Giants before going to Dallas as Assistant Head Coach.

Harbaugh was a Special Teams coordinator. Not sure how far below an Offensive/Defensive Coordinator, but he was a coordinator.

Also, they were hired over 13 years ago. I’m not sure we can point to them for future success with as much as the NFL us changed. Granted, there’s still so many coaches that are overmatched (Nagy) who knows what the best process for hiring an NFL coach is. Many thought Lafleur was a letdown of a hire.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 28, 2021, 10:13:33 AM
He did win Coach of the Year twice, something only 11 other coaches have done.
And while obviously those were defense-driven teams, he did have six top 10 offenses during his Bears tenure, and two others that ranked 11th.

#1 defense both times.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 28, 2021, 10:22:50 AM
Heck, I do most weeks. I meet people there.

You'd be the exception. And you few exceptions pale in comparison to the people who go in party buses, charter buses, public transportation, etc.
My POV here may be shaded by experience, but when I go to a game, it's to tailgate. And in the tailgate lots, I never see anyone riding solo. Most cars arrive with 3+ people in them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 28, 2021, 11:12:12 AM
I think you are misunderstanding my point.  If a team has decided that they want to hire an offensive coach to implement a new offensive scheme that they think will fit their personnel, and they have a choice between two offensive coordinators, one who called plays and the other who didn't, the former is going to be seen as a coach with a greater body of work.

Reasonable.

Ditka was highly regarded? That offense wasn’t what won him a SB.

My reference to Ditka was supposed to be a joke. I guess I shoulda said “mini-Ditka.” But as others said, he did have a little success as a head coach for whatever reasons one wants to cite.

This is nit picky, but Payton was an Offensive Coordinator that called plays for the Giants before going to Dallas as Assistant Head Coach.

Harbaugh was a Special Teams coordinator. Not sure how far below an Offensive/Defensive Coordinator, but he was a coordinator.

Also, they were hired over 13 years ago. I’m not sure we can point to them for future success with as much as the NFL us changed. Granted, there’s still so many coaches that are overmatched (Nagy) who knows what the best process for hiring an NFL coach is. Many thought Lafleur was a letdown of a hire.


All good points.

There have been plenty of supposedly brilliant play-callers who failed spectacularly as head coaches.

All kinds of things go into being a successful head coach. I mean, the Ravens hired Brian Billick because he was supposed to be an offensive mastermind … but the Ravens won the Super Bowl because of their defense. Maybe he was good at the other stuff head coaches need to be good at, or maybe he was lucky. But him being the Vikings play-caller didn’t help him make the Ravens a great offensive team. But as to FBM’s point, it no doubt got him hired.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 28, 2021, 11:25:09 AM


My reference to Ditka was supposed to be a joke. I guess I shoulda said “mini-Ditka.” But as others said, he did have a little success as a head coach for whatever reasons one wants to cite.


Actually, Ditka was decent as a coach. A CEO type. But definitely not a genius x and o type coach.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on September 28, 2021, 01:00:11 PM
Arlington Heights really isn’t a convenient spot for a lot of Northsiders as well.

If you’re not on the I-90 corridor, takes less time taking side streets up there than fighting to get to entrance ramps that back up at Ohare.

But like people said, it ain’t about convenience. It’s gonna happen.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 28, 2021, 02:03:21 PM
Beyond Nagy, Bears coaching staff isn't exactly a who's-who of NFL success.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on September 28, 2021, 02:05:03 PM
Description of Bears situation/fields from a newsletter I receive:

Quote
Of all the interesting tweets, this was my favorite. I hadn’t thought about max protection, but the Browns were collapsing the pocket every snap, and this tweet made me think of the Ravens’ offense, which consistently has among the most concentrated target trees because — and I have not looked this up, so count this as one of my educated guesses — I have to imagine they average the fewest players in a route per dropback of any team since Lamar Jackson took over the quarterback role. They love to use multiple TEs and keep in extra blockers, giving Lamar fewer than the possible five eligible receivers, because after his first or second read his playmaking ability is essentially part of the play design. You more or less have those extra blockers in there because the play can quickly become a run. Anyway, the Bears asked Fields to run a traditional offense without extra blockers, little motion, very few rollouts, etc. There were a few basic RPOs, and that was about it. It was awful, and the adjustment they seemed to make at halftime was to just ask Fields to get the ball out quicker, because they started the second half with three straight drops and quick passes to curl routes. That became a theme, which if you think from the defense’s point of view, is blood in the water. ‘They’ve given up trying to protect and we don’t have to worry about anything downfield, so we can just break on every route?’ Myles Garrett speaking to how bad the gameplan was is about all you need to know. How often do you see an opponent speak on these terms about the opposition?

I don’t know that I’ve seen a worse coaching job than this, given the situation (a rookie first-round pick’s first career start) and how far away the execution was from anything resembling helpful. The Bears tried to make everything extremely conservative, and in doing so made everything very predictable for the Browns, which didn’t simplify anything for Fields — it made his job that much tougher. I don’t think Fields was particularly good — Greg Olsen highlighted a play on a rollout where Darnell Mooney (4-1-9) was wide open deep and Fields didn’t see him, throwing instead to a single-covered Allen Robinson (6-2-27) on a pass that was knocked down — but the misses on the very few opportunities were hard to judge him on when he was otherwise just trying not to get killed or throw a bad interception on his 12th-straight first read curl route. It’s not a coincidence that the opportunity to Mooney was there downfield because it was one of, as the first tweet above says, only two rollouts. They actually could have started to attack downfield, because the Browns had basically given up on any route beyond 10 yards. And yet, the Bears couldn’t even recognize that and get some late points; they’d successfully shrunk the field on their own, helping the defense and hurting their quarterback, and they stayed committed to it, like a bad comic sticking with a joke that is clearly not landing. I’m not trying to absolve Fields of all blame here, but Matt Nagy is the Joker. And what was Fields supposed to do? Start calling audibles? Break the pocket when the play call was a straight drop and the instruction very much seemed to be to get the ball out quick?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 28, 2021, 02:24:40 PM
Sunday's game underscores the fact that Nagy is an idiot and that the Bears really didn't have ANY intention of using Fields this year.

They stuck Fields into an offense designed for Andy Dalton's skill set and told him, "make the best of it." Fields goes out and gets killed because he is a rookie, makes rookie mistakes and is playing in an offense not designed for him. If Nagy was 1/10th coach of Matt LeFleur up in Green Bay, he would have built roll-outs, screen passes and a Fields-based set of plays into the offense in training camp so, just-in-case Dalton gets injured, the team is ready for Fields and part of the offense can work to Fields' strengths.

Some of you may say, "oh well, maybe Nagy did plan for Fields." If Nagy did, then he needs to be fired on the spot, as his plans didn't work. If eh didn't, he needs to be wacked unless the Bears play more effectively against the Lions this Sunday.

Where's Mitch Trubisky when you need him?

Final thought: Ditka was a CEO-style coach. So was Al McGuire! Hank was his Xs and Os guy!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 28, 2021, 07:32:28 PM
Apparently half of Bears fans are loners with no family or friends. The other half have no friends but are dragging their spouses to a game. And no one has children or each child is driving separately. Busses, bikers and,  walkers are also not allowed

This is where fandom starts to break down the social fabric of real life.  It's been documented in "Psychology Today" as the "no QB syndrome".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 28, 2021, 10:33:09 PM
Bears buying Arlington Park
#donedeal
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 28, 2021, 10:53:53 PM
Bears buying Arlington Park
#donedeal

Brother Pakuni:

Right on top of the story, as usual.

https://theathletic.com/news/bears-sign-purchase-agreement-for-arlington-park-property-exclusive/QTJyEXELsaMt

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20210928/report-bears-sign-purchase-agreement-for-arlington-park

Lori Lightfoot and her band of fellow travelers are so busy worried about the name of Lake Shore Drive that they let a civic treasure walk out the door. There's no turning back now.

The 50 year flirtation between the Bears and Arlington Heights is coming to fruition.

The Arlington Heights Bears!  Wow!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 28, 2021, 10:57:03 PM
Yup, the Sun Times articles this last week led me to believe this was officially #donedeal.

I’m still kinda shocked the Bears figured out a way to maneuver here. They are the least politically savvy sports organization I know of.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 28, 2021, 10:58:38 PM
Yup, the Sun Times articles this last week led me to believe this was officially #donedeal.

I’m still kinda shocked the Bears figured out a way to maneuver here. They are the least politically savvy sports organization I know of.

Perhaps, but look at the doofuses on the other side. They are the least politically savvy politicians I can imagine, much less know of.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 28, 2021, 11:03:08 PM
Perhaps, but look at the doofuses on the other side. They are the least politically savvy politicians I can imagine, much less know of.

Realistically, with the amount of money the team can make at Arlington, there's nothing the most savvy politician could do to stop this. The city's only hope was the Bears either being immensely stupid and/or unable to come up with the funding.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 28, 2021, 11:21:33 PM
Once the Bears put the bid in, they were never not going to be the winner. There’s no way they were going to bid (with public knowledge) and lose. I don’t know who in the organization greased the wheels here, but someone surely did.

Now it gets interesting. The city really has nothing to fall back on in regards to the Bears. The next mayor (I’m assuming it won’t be Lightfoot in 2023) has a heck of a decision to make. I’ve always contended that’s the ideal spot for the long awaited casino (but no gaming operators currently want anything to do with what the city has on the table). That Soldier Field land is massively valuable.

I also wonder (and have mentioned it here) if the door is now wide open for Chicago (Arlington Heights) to get an AFC team. The Jags lease is up in 2030, and with the Kahn family’s Illinois ties, it’s interesting that their lease is up right about the time the new stadium would be opening. The league could decide to expand and the Bears building a new stadium would certainly raise eyebrows.

Interesting times off the field, that’s for sure.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 28, 2021, 11:46:37 PM
Once the Bears put the bid in, they were never not going to be the winner. There’s no way they were going to bid (with public knowledge) and lose. I don’t know who in the organization greased the wheels here, but someone surely did.

Now it gets interesting. The city really has nothing to fall back on in regards to the Bears. The next mayor (I’m assuming it won’t be Lightfoot in 2023) has a heck of a decision to make. I’ve always contended that’s the ideal spot for the long awaited casino (but no gaming operators currently want anything to do with what the city has on the table). That Soldier Field land is massively valuable.

I also wonder (and have mentioned it here) if the door is now wide open for Chicago (Arlington Heights) to get an AFC team. The Jags lease is up in 2030, and with the Kahn family’s Illinois ties, it’s interesting that their lease is up right about the time the new stadium would be opening. The league could decide to expand and the Bears building a new stadium would certainly raise eyebrows.

Interesting times off the field, that’s for sure.

Certainly the Bears could look to a team like the Jags to be the Chargers to their Rams, but don't forget that Khan has a lot interests in London and even tried to buy Wembley ... and not because he sees it as the future home of Fulham.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 28, 2021, 11:54:14 PM
Certainly the Bears could look to a team like the Jags to be the Chargers to their Rams, but don't forget that Khan has a lot interests in London and even tried to buy Wembley ... and not because he sees it as the future home of Fulham.

I have heard secondhand that the idea of a full time London NFL team is now dead.

I think if/when the NFL expands to 36 teams, assuming no one moves, the new teams go Chicago/Arlington (AFC), San Antonio/Austin (AFC), Mexico City (NFC), Toronto (NFC).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on September 29, 2021, 12:25:18 AM
Scott Power is a good dude, glad he got the scoop.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 29, 2021, 07:14:47 AM
Did Chicago really want to keep them?  Or do they want the site for other reasons?  Cause Lori didn’t sound too broken up here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 29, 2021, 07:49:05 AM
Did Chicago really want to keep them?  Or do they want the site for other reasons?  Cause Lori didn’t sound too broken up here.

It’s because she most likely isn’t getting re-elected. Pardon the pun, but she can punt this problem to the next mayor and not say she lost the Bears on her watch.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on September 29, 2021, 08:28:55 AM
Rosenbloom:

https://twitter.com/steverosenbloom/status/1443189240314187785?s=19 (https://twitter.com/steverosenbloom/status/1443189240314187785?s=19)

🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 29, 2021, 08:31:50 AM
It’s because she most likely isn’t getting re-elected. Pardon the pun, but she can punt this problem to the next mayor and not say she lost the Bears on her watch.


Gotcha.  I think it would be interesting to see what a "second Chicago team" would look like.  The Jags moving there under a complete rebrand would be understandable, but would they draw anyone?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 29, 2021, 08:36:25 AM

Gotcha.  I think it would be interesting to see what a "second Chicago team" would look like.  The Jags moving there under a complete rebrand would be understandable, but would they draw anyone?

That was kind of my thought. Would anyone cheer for them over the Bears? LA worked well due to it being a former team and another California team.

I don’t know if anyone is switching allegiances from the Bears to the Jaguars.

The Cubs/Sox at least have a North and South divide.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 29, 2021, 08:53:58 AM
LA also has enough non-natives that if you want to cheer for a team that isn't the one your obnoxious next door neighbor Rams' fan cheers for, you have another choice.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 29, 2021, 08:59:53 AM
More on the done deal.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/09/29/bears-announce-purchase-of-property-in-arlington-heights/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 29, 2021, 09:05:17 AM
More than fair questions on a second team. Winning early would build a brand early, no doubt.

I think the Chicago market has changed to a degree over the last 20 years. There are kids who have grown up Packer fans because the Packers have been consistently good for so long while the Bears have not. To be clear, I’m not saying this is a majority by any means, but it certainly exists.

If the Bears continue to not be good, the amount of Bears fatigue will continue to grow.

A second team here would always figuratively be the second team in the market. All that said, there isn’t a bigger market available (that doesn’t have two teams), and the accessibility to have dibs on half the cost of a brand new stadium, the first that would be built post gambling approval, would have significant financial appeal to someone.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 29, 2021, 09:27:37 AM
Yup, the Sun Times articles this last week led me to believe this was officially #donedeal.

I’m still kinda shocked the Bears figured out a way to maneuver here. They are the least politically savvy sports organization I know of.

Bluhm (Democrats, gambling, sports, real estate, Pritkzer and Durbin), Ryan (Olympics bid), and McKenna (Republicans, AH Mayor) are very connected, however. The question is what role the McCaskey Bears actually play in this in the end other than being the front of the bid? This won’t be a Ricketts deal like with Wrigley.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 29, 2021, 09:31:46 AM
I could see a second Chicago team being the de facto team for STL fans who have been homeless without the Rams.  Also, there are a ton of "Cubs fans" who are from Cleveland, Detroit, Minneapolis, etc...living in Chicago and have the Cubs as their second team cause they are in the NL instead of their team in the AL.  A second Chicago team in the AFC could function the same way for a lot of the NFC North fan transplants perhaps.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MDMU04 on September 29, 2021, 09:32:17 AM
The Bears aren't going anywhere, guys.

The McCaskeys are billionaires because they own the Bears, but they are completely illiquid with no independent wealth or other income other than the Bears.  The going price for an NFL stadium is somewhere around $1.5 billion. Without selling what would amount to their entire stake in the team (they're not the sole owners, only majority), they simply do not have the money.

They're not getting the money from the State.  It's not a matter of leverage there, Illinois doesn't have the money either.

There are only two possibilities here.  The NFL ponies up and builds the Bears the stadium or some consortium of local billionaires like Pat Ryan/Ken Griffin/Sam Zell pool their money and build it.  In both instances the Bears would lease the stadium from the owners, which would be their preference because the McCaskey family probably cannot afford the carrying cost for a new building.  The local billionaire option is the most intriguing, but Pat Ryan already owns a significant minority stake in the Bears and just donated almost half a billion dollars to Northwestern.  Sam Zell owned the Cubs for a while as a tax dodge, and I don't think Ken Griffin has any interest in doing something like this.

This "purchase agreement" is likely not materially different than an escrow contract for purchasing real estate.  This is a leverage ploy to get the Park District to lower the lease terms or maybe some nominal expansion of the facility, nothing more.

The Bears operate like a small market franchise because they have small market ownership.  No one there has the vision to do anything like this.  There is nothing to see here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 29, 2021, 09:34:29 AM
More than fair questions on a second team. Winning early would build a brand early, no doubt.

I think the Chicago market has changed to a degree over the last 20 years. There are kids who have grown up Packer fans because the Packers have been consistently good for so long while the Bears have not. To be clear, I’m not saying this is a majority by any means, but it certainly exists.

If the Bears continue to not be good, the amount of Bears fatigue will continue to grow.

A second team here would always figuratively be the second team in the market. All that said, there isn’t a bigger market available (that doesn’t have two teams), and the accessibility to have dibs on half the cost of a brand new stadium, the first that would be built post gambling approval, would have significant financial appeal to someone.

There was talk of a second Chicago team the last couple of times the Bears were threatening to move to the burbs, too.

I just don't see it, but I guess stranger things have happened. If the Jags move, would Chicago be more attractive than, say, San Antonio? Not to mention Austin, Oklahoma City, Portland or ... London?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 29, 2021, 09:38:24 AM
Bluhm (Democrats, gambling, sports, real estate, Pritkzer and Durbin), Ryan (Olympics bid), and McKenna (Republicans, AH Mayor) are very connected, however. The question is what role the McCaskey Bears actually play in this in the end other than being the front of the bid? This won’t be a Ricketts deal like with Wrigley.

I agree with you on all counts here. The McCaskey’s or Phillips (someone) reached out and utilized the right people here. And to your other point, what is the final outcome here for all parties…that’s of significant intrigue.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 29, 2021, 09:45:00 AM
On another note ...

Packers are 6.5 home favorites over a lost-looking Steelers team. Doesn't seem like enough points to me, almost like the Steelers are getting credit for being Steelers teams of past years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 29, 2021, 10:23:24 AM
The next Lions win will be the first one with a quarterback other than Matthew Stafford starting since the 10-11 season.  (Shaun Hill)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on September 29, 2021, 10:24:44 AM
There was talk of a second Chicago team the last couple of times the Bears were threatening to move to the burbs, too.

I just don't see it, but I guess stranger things have happened. If the Jags move, would Chicago be more attractive than, say, San Antonio? Not to mention Austin, Oklahoma City, Portland or ... London?

Yes but only because Khan is from Illinois. The dude has money to burn, he gave his son an entire wrestling company just to mess around with.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 29, 2021, 10:30:37 AM
Yes but only because Khan is from Illinois. The dude has money to burn, he gave his son an entire wrestling company just to mess around with.

Reminds me what my dad did for me. What fun I had with that cruise line!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 29, 2021, 10:40:40 AM
On another note ...

Packers are 6.5 home favorites over a lost-looking Steelers team. Doesn't seem like enough points to me, almost like the Steelers are getting credit for being Steelers teams of past years.


People don't seem to want to come to the conclusion that Big Ben is done.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 29, 2021, 10:44:27 AM
I agree with you on all counts here. The McCaskey’s or Phillips (someone) reached out and utilized the right people here. And to your other point, what is the final outcome here for all parties…that’s of significant intrigue.

Some foreshadowing from this summer. Bluhm and CDI are already partners. This deal was done months ago.

With the Bears gone from Soldier Field, Lori now owns one of the most valuable pieces of property in the world. What will she do with it? I am sure Rivers Casino would also like to help her out too.

https://www.letsgambleusa.com/chicago-bears-inks-exclusive-deal-with-rush-street-interactive/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on September 29, 2021, 10:54:37 AM
The next Lions win will be the first one with a quarterback other than Matthew Stafford starting since the 10-11 season.  (Shaun Hill)

You’re assuming there will be a next Lions win 8-)


Never mind, they get Trestman Nagy twice this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on September 29, 2021, 10:55:39 AM
Some foreshadowing from this summer. Bluhm and CDI are already partners. This deal was done months ago.

With the Bears gone from Soldier Field, Lori now owns one of the most valuable pieces of property in the world. What will she do with it? I am sure Rivers Casino would also like to help her out too.

https://www.letsgambleusa.com/chicago-bears-inks-exclusive-deal-with-rush-street-interactive/

I think this question was answered before, but what will the general thought be if Soldier Field turned into a Casino? If that happened with Lambeau, I’d worry about riots.

Is there less nostalgia attached to Soldier Field, especially when the spaceship was added?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 29, 2021, 10:56:18 AM
Yes but only because Khan is from Illinois. The dude has money to burn, he gave his son an entire wrestling company just to mess around with.

You stole my thunder here. All the Kahn’s have residence in Chicago. I went to school with Shad’s son-in-law, and have stayed friends with him (my kids have more Jags gear than Bears gear).

Tony Kahn’s success with AEW should not be ignored here. Their version of WrestleMania has been a mega success at Sears Centre/Now Foods Arena. If the Kahn’s moved the Jags and had a 50% stake in DraftKings Field, AEW could hold their WrestleMania there every year for next to nothing. I get it’s just one event, but I’ve felt for years the Jags moving to Chicago eventually may be a realistic possibility.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 29, 2021, 11:09:05 AM
On another note ...

Packers are 6.5 home favorites over a lost-looking Steelers team. Doesn't seem like enough points to me, almost like the Steelers are getting credit for being Steelers teams of past years.

The Steelers still have a very good defense. Sixth against the run. Slow the offensive tempo and try to find turnovers to stay in the games but their O line is bad, making Ben worse.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 29, 2021, 11:10:26 AM
I think this question was answered before, but what will the general thought be if Soldier Field turned into a Casino? If that happened with Lambeau, I’d worry about riots.

Is there less nostalgia attached to Soldier Field, especially when the spaceship was added?


A couple things.  First, the Packers don't have an owner who can enrich themselves off the side benefits that a stadium can bring.  Sure they generate a ton of non-football income that can be plowed back into the team, including giving the people who run the team a very nice income and lifestyle, but the pure profit motivation for a new stadium just isn't there.

Second, yeah if the team eventually constructed a new stadium...I don't know...somewhere in the Green Bay area, fans might bitch but they'd still go to games.  I actually think they could move to Milwaukee and not lose much loyalty after the initial outrage.  Those are all short term things.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 29, 2021, 11:12:04 AM
You stole my thunder here. All the Kahn’s have residence in Chicago. I went to school with Shad’s son-in-law, and have stayed friends with him (my kids have more Jags gear than Bears gear).

Tony Kahn’s success with AEW should not be ignored here. Their version of WrestleMania has been a mega success at Sears Centre/Now Foods Arena. If the Kahn’s moved the Jags and had a 50% stake in DraftKings Field, AEW could hold their WrestleMania there every year for next to nothing. I get it’s just one event, but I’ve felt for years the Jags moving to Chicago eventually may be a realistic possibility.

The elephant in the room here is whether three-fourths of NFL owners would turn their backs on one of the league's founding families/franchises and allow a second team in their home territory. It's an especially dubious suggestion when one considers that it wouldn't move the needle when it comes to expanding the league's footprint.

If the financing makes it necessary, or makes sense, bringing in a team to play second fiddle to the Bears at a new stadium might make sense. Bringing in a team to play at Soldier Field (the league's smallest venue, I should note) doesn't.
 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 29, 2021, 11:17:31 AM

People don't seem to want to come to the conclusion that Big Ben is done.

That's what I'm thinking, too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 29, 2021, 11:24:37 AM
There was talk of a second Chicago team the last couple of times the Bears were threatening to move to the burbs, too.

I just don't see it, but I guess stranger things have happened. If the Jags move, would Chicago be more attractive than, say, San Antonio? Not to mention Austin, Oklahoma City, Portland or ... London?

Austin/SA, maybe.  But OKC and Portland I can't see even being remotely appealing.  Cities around the same size as Milwaukee that don't open up much in terms of new regions. Toronto, Mexico City, and maybe another team in the Bay Area with a new stadium or somewhere like Orlando.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on September 29, 2021, 11:25:44 AM
The elephant in the room here is whether three-fourths of NFL owners would turn their backs on one of the league's founding families/franchises and allow a second team in their home territory. It's an especially dubious suggestion when one considers that it wouldn't move the needle when it comes to expanding the league's footprint.

If the financing makes it necessary, or makes sense, bringing in a team to play second fiddle to the Bears at a new stadium might make sense. Bringing in a team to play at Soldier Field doesn't.

Exactly. If we are talking a second football team using the stadium, I just note that Bluhm, Ryan and McKenna are all NU Alums. And the B1G headquarters are nearby.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 29, 2021, 11:38:04 AM
You’re assuming there will be a next Lions win 8-)


Never mind, they get Trestman Nagy twice this year.
I am not assuming anything.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 29, 2021, 12:00:17 PM
Austin/SA, maybe.  But OKC and Portland I can't see even being remotely appealing.  Cities around the same size as Milwaukee that don't open up much in terms of new regions. Toronto, Mexico City, and maybe another team in the Bay Area with a new stadium or somewhere like Orlando.

Sure. I was just throwing some out there. I like your list better!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 29, 2021, 12:01:42 PM
The elephant in the room here is whether three-fourths of NFL owners would turn their backs on one of the league's founding families/franchises and allow a second team in their home territory. It's an especially dubious suggestion when one considers that it wouldn't move the needle when it comes to expanding the league's footprint.

If the financing makes it necessary, or makes sense, bringing in a team to play second fiddle to the Bears at a new stadium might make sense. Bringing in a team to play at Soldier Field (the league's smallest venue, I should note) doesn't.

Oh yeah, no team is going to take over Soldier Field.

If the Bears utilize Legends Hospitality to sell PSL's and work through concessions, then you'll get near 100% commitment from fellow NFL owners. Jerry Jones would ensure that happens.

Does it expand the league's footprint? An expansion team would, but I don't think the Chicago market would work for an expansion team. Outside of Austin/San Antonio, I'm not sure where else in the US the NFL can go. We know it's not St. Louis or San Diego. It really comes down to where the money is more than anything else. Is the value of a current NFL franchise worth more as a secondary team in Chicago than in their current home market?

The league's footprint is going to be expanded simply by creating more inventory. A move to 36 teams creates more inventory. How they rearrange things with expansion and markets of course matters, but having a brand new privately financed 80,000 seat stadium in the third largest media market would certainly help the NFL figure that out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on September 29, 2021, 12:13:37 PM
By the time this stadium is built, the McCaskey's won't have much say in the franchise.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 29, 2021, 12:21:00 PM
By the time this stadium is built, the McCaskey's won't have much say in the franchise.

This.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 29, 2021, 12:30:45 PM
Here is my plan:
The Worst , most dangerous neighborhood , and everything around it,on the South Side is condemned and a new special district called Bearsville is created.

The State and City fund a new stadium in Bearsville and authorize Casinos in Bearsville.

The displaced people of Bearsville are then sent to the land the Bears Bought in Arlington into a new town house and high rise condo development called Bears Village . The Bears fund Bears Village .

There is something for everyone in this deal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on September 29, 2021, 12:33:21 PM
Here is my plan:
The Worst , most dangerous neighborhood , and everything around it,on the South Side is condemned and a new special district called Bearsville is created.

The State and City fund a new stadium in Bearsville and authorize Casinos in Bearsville.

The displaced people of Bearsville are then sent to the land the Bears Bought in Arlington into a new town house and high rise condo development called Bears Village . The Bears fund Bears Village .

There is something for everyone in this deal.

I suspect the leaders and residents of Arlington Heights, Palatine and Rolling Meadows would not agree with your final assessment. Nor would they ever grant the zoning and approvals to allow it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 29, 2021, 12:37:33 PM
Oh yeah, no team is going to take over Soldier Field.

If the Bears utilize Legends Hospitality to sell PSL's and work through concessions, then you'll get near 100% commitment from fellow NFL owners. Jerry Jones would ensure that happens.

Does it expand the league's footprint? An expansion team would, but I don't think the Chicago market would work for an expansion team. Outside of Austin/San Antonio, I'm not sure where else in the US the NFL can go. We know it's not St. Louis or San Diego. It really comes down to where the money is more than anything else. Is the value of a current NFL franchise worth more as a secondary team in Chicago than in their current home market?

The league's footprint is going to be expanded simply by creating more inventory. A move to 36 teams creates more inventory. How they rearrange things with expansion and markets of course matters, but having a brand new privately financed 80,000 seat stadium in the third largest media market would certainly help the NFL figure that out.


Yeah the league literally just decreased its footprint a couple of seasons ago.  Just after it went a couple decades without a team in the second largest metropolitan area in the country.

Increasing the NFL to 36 teams means an additional 34 games a year - something like a 15% increase.  Hell, but that point they may even have an 18 game season.  That's what's valuable to the league.  Having two teams share a stadium in Chicago to get there just lowers your costs, but allows the Chicago market to have games in all sorts of time slots.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 29, 2021, 12:39:23 PM
Oh yeah, no team is going to take over Soldier Field.

If the Bears utilize Legends Hospitality to sell PSL's and work through concessions, then you'll get near 100% commitment from fellow NFL owners. Jerry Jones would ensure that happens.

Does it expand the league's footprint? An expansion team would, but I don't think the Chicago market would work for an expansion team. Outside of Austin/San Antonio, I'm not sure where else in the US the NFL can go. We know it's not St. Louis or San Diego. It really comes down to where the money is more than anything else. Is the value of a current NFL franchise worth more as a secondary team in Chicago than in their current home market?

The league's footprint is going to be expanded simply by creating more inventory. A move to 36 teams creates more inventory. How they rearrange things with expansion and markets of course matters, but having a brand new privately financed 80,000 seat stadium in the third largest media market would certainly help the NFL figure that out.

San Antonio has shown to not be a viable market and the Alamodome is too old for a team to move into and the NFL would demand a whole new stadium.

I wouldn't write off STL or SD, the issues were more about the owners than support for the franchise (similar to Charlotte in the NBA). STL was even willing to step up but Kronke was not willing to hear it. That said, options are extremely limited. Toronto? Mexico City? London? Most likely the league will have to look outside US borders.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 29, 2021, 12:53:35 PM
Richard Sherman to the Bucs  .  Tampa had a lot of injuries in the Defensive secondary . If Sherman can stay legally eligible to play , this is a big addition.

Sherman sighted Tom Brady as one of the Bucs people who reached out to him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 29, 2021, 01:11:12 PM
Richard Sherman to the Bucs  .  Tampa had a lot of injuries in the Defensive secondary . If Sherman can stay legally eligible to play , this is a big addition.

Sherman sighted Tom Brady as one of the Bucs people who reached out to him.

Sherman has been on a decline for awhile.  2019 was an aberration and he still got toasted pretty bad multiple times in the SB.  Add to that a significant injury and the offseason stuff, he'll be less of an impact than Antonio Brown.  Its not the early 2010s anymore and after 30, great CBs are far more likely to go the way of Darrell Revis than Woodson or Darrell Green
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 29, 2021, 02:32:09 PM
Oh yeah, no team is going to take over Soldier Field.

If the Bears utilize Legends Hospitality to sell PSL's and work through concessions, then you'll get near 100% commitment from fellow NFL owners. Jerry Jones would ensure that happens.

Does it expand the league's footprint? An expansion team would, but I don't think the Chicago market would work for an expansion team. Outside of Austin/San Antonio, I'm not sure where else in the US the NFL can go. We know it's not St. Louis or San Diego. It really comes down to where the money is more than anything else. Is the value of a current NFL franchise worth more as a secondary team in Chicago than in their current home market?

The league's footprint is going to be expanded simply by creating more inventory. A move to 36 teams creates more inventory. How they rearrange things with expansion and markets of course matters, but having a brand new privately financed 80,000 seat stadium in the third largest media market would certainly help the NFL figure that out.


What about the Bills and their lease that runs out in 2023?  Good team with young QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 29, 2021, 02:47:39 PM
Sherman has been on a decline for awhile.  2019 was an aberration and he still got toasted pretty bad multiple times in the SB.  Add to that a significant injury and the offseason stuff, he'll be less of an impact than Antonio Brown.  Its not the early 2010s anymore and after 30, great CBs are far more likely to go the way of Darrell Revis than Woodson or Darrell Green
Those are all good points . However , everything is relative. The Bucs secondary is riddled with I juries and what remains is not very good. So Sherman gives them some experience and depth which they need at those positions .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on September 29, 2021, 02:48:02 PM

What about the Bills and their lease that runs out in 2023?  Good team with young QB.

LOL not a chance
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 29, 2021, 03:15:01 PM

What about the Bills and their lease that runs out in 2023?  Good team with young QB.

The difference is the Bills have a deep pocketed owner with substantial investment in Buffalo.  Pegula owns the Sabres, their AHL affiliate, and the arena the Sabres play in, plus a bunch of waterfront development.  He won't move the Bills.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 29, 2021, 03:37:44 PM
The difference is the Bills have a deep pocketed owner with substantial investment in Buffalo.  Pegula owns the Sabres, their AHL affiliate, and the arena the Sabres play in, plus a bunch of waterfront development.  He won't move the Bills.


Good points.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Loose Cannon on September 30, 2021, 11:15:33 AM


 Virgil Carter/Chicago Fire
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 30, 2021, 12:04:33 PM
Austin/SA, maybe.  But OKC and Portland I can't see even being remotely appealing.  Cities around the same size as Milwaukee that don't open up much in terms of new regions. Toronto, Mexico City, and maybe another team in the Bay Area with a new stadium or somewhere like Orlando.

There is no way Portland would get one, and that was before the downtown was turned into Detroit, Jr. Not enough of a corporate base to support the NFL here. The campaign to land an MLB team started a few years ago went from "hopeful" to "DOA" over the last year where MLB canceled a site visit on the advice of the group leading the effort.

A new team has to be outside of the US borders. Mexico City and London.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on September 30, 2021, 12:07:19 PM
There is no way Portland would get one, and that was before the downtown was turned into Detroit, Jr. Not enough of a corporate base to support the NFL here. The campaign to land an MLB team started a few years ago went from "hopeful" to "DOA" over the last year where MLB canceled a site visit on the advice of the group leading the effort.

A new team has to be outside of the US borders. Mexico City and London.

Yeah can't imagine Patriot Prayer Field would be the naming rights payday they're looking for.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 30, 2021, 01:29:40 PM
I'll throw one out for consideration: Orlando!

The city is one of the largest markets in the United States without an NFL football team. Central Florida is growing like a cancerous weed and NFL football represents another key attraction to the number one tourist destination in America. Would imagine Disney would support the team and it would get corporate support from throughout the area. There's a strong, well-educated workforce living close by in Merritt Island and Melbourne.

Downside: The Citrus Bowl is a joke and would have to be replaced. Orlando is in the market footprints for both Tampa and Jacksonville and four NFL teams in the State of Florida may be more than New York could tolerate. The political climate in the state of Florida is well-understood by Floridians but folks from outside the state loathe it and that might play against another team in the state.

That said, Orlando has a better chance of getting a team than Chicago does of getting a second team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 30, 2021, 02:05:49 PM
All but 4 NFL teams (Bills, Jags, Packers, Saints) are located in metro areas with at least 2 million people. There are only 8 metro areas over 2 million without an NFL team.

#17 San Diego
#21 St. Louis
#22 Orlando
#24 San Antonio
#25 Portland
#26 Sacramento
#28 Austin
#32 Columbus

There are issues with each of these. No 4 obvious candidates. St. Louis probably would be the best option. Agree with others that they probably have to look outside the US if they want to get to 36.

An interesting option could be building a stadium between Austin and San Antonio to draw from both metro areas. The downtowns are only about an hour or so apart.  You could set up in New Braunfels or San Marcos. No idea how feasible that is, just spitballing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 30, 2021, 03:20:14 PM
When I say Austin/San Antonio, really what I'm saying is San Marcos. That's the ideal spot for a team to support both markets. I'm fairly certain we'll see an MLB and NFL franchise in San Marcos in the next decade.

Orlando has, not problems, but issues. There's the territorial rights issue with Tampa, which can be overcome, but I don't know how the NFL can want to support four teams in Florida. Also, if Disney had wanted a team by now, when Iger was at the helm, he had more than enough clout to get one. Then there's the issue of national media rights deals with Disney, and them owning a team at the same time. The obvious stadium issue comes into play, and where's it going, who's paying for it.

London is not getting a permanent team. If it was going to happen, it would have happened before the new media rights deals were signed. I've mentioned on here before, but it would be incredibly difficult for London to have its own team. Even legally speaking, and Brexit actually probably helped things, you'd have to work with the UK government on things like the NFL draft being legal for a team incorporated in London to use as a means to get new players (it's not legal there currently). Significant tax issues would need to be addressed for the players. Tryout Tuesday, where does it happen for a team in the UK? I haven't even gotten to the obvious issues...like say Seattle plays week 18 on Sunday night football in a win/go home scenario, and if they win, they are at London for the Wild Card round. Let's say in that same scenario, London is at Dallas that same week in a 3:25 pm kickoff. What day/time is that Seattle @ London Wild Card weekend game going to be at?

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on September 30, 2021, 04:26:34 PM
All but 4 NFL teams (Bills, Jags, Packers, Saints) are located in metro areas with at least 2 million people. There are only 8 metro areas over 2 million without an NFL team.

#17 San Diego team just left because no stadium
#21 St. Louis team just left because no stadium
#22 Orlando too many Florida teams?
#24 San Antonio too many Texas teams?
#25 Portland Apparently Detroit 2.0??
#26 Sacramento too close to SF and too many CA teams
#28 Austin I'd choose this over San Antonio
#32 Columbus Would steal from CLE and CIN

There are issues with each of these. No 4 obvious candidates. St. Louis probably would be the best option. Agree with others that they probably have to look outside the US if they want to get to 36.

An interesting option could be building a stadium between Austin and San Antonio to draw from both metro areas. The downtowns are only about an hour or so apart.  You could set up in New Braunfels or San Marcos. No idea how feasible that is, just spitballing.

Something to consider with these markets is:

1. Population TRENDS, not actual numbers
2. Where they will pull their fan bases from
3. Would the team be welcomed and draw well.

One name that isn't mentioned is Salt Lake City/Provo.  Added together, their metro population has around 1.9 million, putting them squarely on the level of Nashville.  Additionally, the population of SLC has grown by 15%, and Provo has grown by 30% in the last decade.  I have absolutely no clue which team the people of Salt Lake City root for in general... but I'm going to assume it is a mix of Seattle and Denver?  So we have a good size population, one that is trending upwards, and would probably not pull from a lot of other fan bases.  Add to that there may be added interest from the entire region (ID, MT, WY) and I think we have a pretty decent NFL candidate city.

fight me!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on September 30, 2021, 04:57:42 PM
Disney will never own the team in Orlando. Will they be a supporter — of course. But ownership, no chance.

The way I ultimately see Orlando getting a team is if Jacksonville moves. They will have to deal with the  stadium, but Orlando is a better market with far more growth potential.

Otherwise, the only way Orlando gets a team is on the television show Coach!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 30, 2021, 05:42:13 PM
The way I ultimately see Orlando getting a team is if Jacksonville moves. They will have to deal with the  stadium, but Orlando is a better market with far more growth potential.

I think that's the big caveat.  If Khan does move the Jags like so many suspect, then it opens up Orlando as a market and I think its a far better market IMO.  I think it could be like Las Vegas in terms of a growing market as well as one that would pull in tons of opposing team fan traffic via vacation travel.

One name that isn't mentioned is Salt Lake City/Provo.  Added together, their metro population has around 1.9 million, putting them squarely on the level of Nashville.  Additionally, the population of SLC has grown by 15%, and Provo has grown by 30% in the last decade.  I have absolutely no clue which team the people of Salt Lake City root for in general... but I'm going to assume it is a mix of Seattle and Denver?  So we have a good size population, one that is trending upwards, and would probably not pull from a lot of other fan bases.  Add to that there may be added interest from the entire region (ID, MT, WY) and I think we have a pretty decent NFL candidate city.

fight me!

I feel like the Broncos would fight this.  I went to a sorority formal at (whatever sponsor is slapped on now) Mile High Stadium in the mid 2000s and during the tour, they were super proud of and super big on being "THE TEAM" for basically all the mountain region between KC and Nevada.  Otherwise it is interesting.  Its already a big hub for Delta, its certainly a growing population center, you have a healthy football culture with UU and BYU.  Though I get the feeling most professional athletes, at least on the Jazz, don't love living there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 30, 2021, 06:08:54 PM
Kahn is taking important steps to enhance the Jags customer experience . He is very involved with the City and I don’t think he is considering a relocation.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/07/01/jaguars-owner-shad-khan-looks-to-buy-jacksonville-fairgrounds/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on September 30, 2021, 06:21:12 PM
I think that's the big caveat.  If Khan does move the Jags like so many suspect, then it opens up Orlando as a market and I think its a far better market IMO.  I think it could be like Las Vegas in terms of a growing market as well as one that would pull in tons of opposing team fan traffic via vacation travel.

I feel like the Broncos would fight this.  I went to a sorority formal at (whatever sponsor is slapped on now) Mile High Stadium in the mid 2000s and during the tour, they were super proud of and super big on being "THE TEAM" for basically all the mountain region between KC and Nevada.  Otherwise it is interesting.  Its already a big hub for Delta, its certainly a growing population center, you have a healthy football culture with UU and BYU.  Though I get the feeling most professional athletes, at least on the Jazz, don't love living there.

Retort:  living in Jacksonville also sucks.  Well, from what I've heard.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on September 30, 2021, 06:27:17 PM
Retort:  living in Jacksonville also sucks.  Well, from what I've heard.
You should check it out. You might like some parts of it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on September 30, 2021, 06:56:39 PM
I think that's the big caveat.  If Khan does move the Jags like so many suspect, then it opens up Orlando as a market and I think its a far better market IMO.  I think it could be like Las Vegas in terms of a growing market as well as one that would pull in tons of opposing team fan traffic via vacation travel.

I feel like the Broncos would fight this.  I went to a sorority formal at (whatever sponsor is slapped on now) Mile High Stadium in the mid 2000s and during the tour, they were super proud of and super big on being "THE TEAM" for basically all the mountain region between KC and Nevada.  Otherwise it is interesting.  Its already a big hub for Delta, its certainly a growing population center, you have a healthy football culture with UU and BYU.  Though I get the feeling most professional athletes, at least on the Jazz, don't love living there.

What ability to fight it would the Broncos have? Just because the Broncos are the closest team geographically team doesn't give the Bolan family any ability to block a team there. Look at Philly and Baltimore.

I think people here are dismissing San Diego too easily. It wasn't as much the stadium that was voted down but the Spanos family. And STL would support funding for a stadium with Stan Kronke not involved.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on September 30, 2021, 07:25:18 PM
Retort:  living in Jacksonville also sucks.  Well, from what I've heard.

I mean, its not Miami, but for a young, wealthy non-Mormon athlete who resides there during the mid of winter, I think a warm weather city next to the beach with a laid back vibe is more appealing than a cold weather city dominated by a segment of people who avoid alcohol and partying and other entertainment and a city that is shockingly devoid of African Americans.  SLC is beautiful and Ive enjoyed my time there, but athletes aren't gonna be getting out on the slopes during the season and many of the other positives are very different when you're not there for just a long weekend.

What ability to fight it would the Broncos have? Just because the Broncos are the closest team geographically team doesn't give the Bolan family any ability to block a team there. Look at Philly and Baltimore.

I think people here are dismissing San Diego too easily. It wasn't as much the stadium that was voted down but the Spanos family. And STL would support funding for a stadium with Stan Kronke not involved.

I'm not privy to ownership meetings and their discussions.  And I'm not saying they would have a leg to stand on, much less be successful, but I imagine they would put up some sort of stink.  I think Baltimore is a bit different given the NFL's history there and in that market, as well as population saturation in the area.

But I do agree that San Diego still makes a lot of sense.  Hugely appealing area with a large population.  Hell, it would be weird as hell without the Raiders, but given the money in the area, I wouldn't be shocked to see Oakland viable again in the next 5-10 years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on September 30, 2021, 07:32:00 PM
Serious question.   Since BYU has to have the NCAA tourney arranged so it doesn't play a Sunday game.....

Would the LDS folks turn out for a professional sporting event held on a Sunday in sufficient numbers?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on September 30, 2021, 11:01:03 PM
What ability to fight it would the Broncos have? Just because the Broncos are the closest team geographically team doesn't give the Bolan family any ability to block a team there. Look at Philly and Baltimore.

I think people here are dismissing San Diego too easily. It wasn't as much the stadium that was voted down but the Spanos family. And STL would support funding for a stadium with Stan Kronke not involved.

Agree about both San Diego and St. Louis still being viable NFL markets. The NFL has been willing to go back to spurned markets many times: Houston, Baltimore, Cleveland, St. Louis, Los Angeles, Oakland.

I think Hards' suggestion about SLC was interesting, too.

And agree with Dish and TAMU about a Texas team to take advantage of the San Antonio and Austin markets.

Orlando? Meh. Hasn't proven to be a very good sports town.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on October 01, 2021, 09:43:57 AM
Agree about both San Diego and St. Louis still being viable NFL markets. The NFL has been willing to go back to spurned markets many times: Houston, Baltimore, Cleveland, St. Louis, Los Angeles, Oakland.
Orlando? Meh. Hasn't proven to be a very good sports town.

St. Louis? No way. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever.

The Bidwells left. The Waltons left. Who in their right mind is going to take a chance on St. Louis? The city itself is dying and too many of the region's corporate headquarters/banks are long gone.

The problem the NFL has in St. Louis is they are second banana to the St. Louis Cardinals. The city is baseball mad and has shown comparatively less interest in pro football. The NFL doesn't like to be second banana to anyone.

Chicago will get a second team, Orlando will have a team and, possibly, the Duluth Eskimos will be reformed before St. Louis gets another shot at the NFL.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 01, 2021, 10:00:53 AM
St. Louis? No way. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever.

The Bidwells left. The Waltons left. Who in their right mind is going to take a chance on St. Louis? The city itself is dying and too many of the region's corporate headquarters/banks are long gone.

The problem the NFL has in St. Louis is they are second banana to the St. Louis Cardinals. The city is baseball mad and has shown comparatively less interest in pro football. The NFL doesn't like to be second banana to anyone.

Chicago will get a second team, Orlando will have a team and, possibly, the Duluth Eskimos will be reformed before St. Louis gets another shot at the NFL.

My friend in college who was from STL was a Chiefs fan and a rabid Cardinals fan.  The Rams were a total afterthought.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 01, 2021, 10:11:38 AM
St. Louis? No way. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever.

The Bidwells left. The Waltons left. Who in their right mind is going to take a chance on St. Louis? The city itself is dying and too many of the region's corporate headquarters/banks are long gone.

The problem the NFL has in St. Louis is they are second banana to the St. Louis Cardinals. The city is baseball mad and has shown comparatively less interest in pro football. The NFL doesn't like to be second banana to anyone.

Chicago will get a second team, Orlando will have a team and, possibly, the Duluth Eskimos will be reformed before St. Louis gets another shot at the NFL.

Bracing myself for a 12 paragraph shoothoops response.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 01, 2021, 10:29:27 AM
If I were the NFL, I wouldn't go back to St. Louis. And I believe those who know a heck of a lot more than I do about St. Louis sports culture.

We're all just throwing spaghetti against the wall here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 01, 2021, 02:49:27 PM
All but 4 NFL teams (Bills, Jags, Packers, Saints) are located in metro areas with at least 2 million people. There are only 8 metro areas over 2 million without an NFL team.

#17 San Diego
#21 St. Louis
#22 Orlando
#24 San Antonio
#25 Portland
#26 Sacramento
#28 Austin
#32 Columbus

There are issues with each of these. No 4 obvious candidates. St. Louis probably would be the best option. Agree with others that they probably have to look outside the US if they want to get to 36.

An interesting option could be building a stadium between Austin and San Antonio to draw from both metro areas. The downtowns are only about an hour or so apart.  You could set up in New Braunfels or San Marcos. No idea how feasible that is, just spitballing.

San Juan metro population is 2.3 million.  San Juan Hurricanes would be a big draw.  Betting, traveling fans like Vegas. Newsie has the cash.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on October 01, 2021, 02:56:37 PM
San Juan metro population is 2.3 million.  San Juan Hurricanes would be a big draw.  Betting, traveling fans like Vegas. Newsie has the cash.

Don't hate this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 01, 2021, 03:07:34 PM
San Juan metro population is 2.3 million.  San Juan Hurricanes would be a big draw.  Betting, traveling fans like Vegas. Newsie has the cash.

Am I a moron for thinking this would also make PR statehood a lock?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 01, 2021, 03:12:22 PM
I’m in for San Juan as well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 01, 2021, 03:20:45 PM
Any billionaires of boricua descent who want a team in San Juan?  Actually LOVE the idea.  San Juan, Mexico City, and Toronto could be really fun expansion.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 01, 2021, 04:06:22 PM
Very hot and then hurricane season.   How many of the 2.3 million residents can afford season tickets?  And would we then have to make PR a state?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 01, 2021, 04:08:22 PM
Very hot and then hurricane season.   How many of the 2.3 million residents can afford season tickets?  And would we then have to make PR a state?


How many corporations are going to buy boxes there?  How is the near bankrupt PR going to build a stadium in the first place?

Romantic idea but doesn't seem very realistic to me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 01, 2021, 04:39:22 PM
I think we were all just selfishly saying we’d love to go to San Juan in Nov/Dec for a game.

Wanted to throw this out there, I think the dogs will be barking this weekend. I’m going to be on the Lions, Jets, Giants, Vikings, Seahawks in some fashion. If the Steelers could get to +7.5, I’d be interested.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 01, 2021, 05:15:06 PM
Serious question.   Since BYU has to have the NCAA tourney arranged so it doesn't play a Sunday game.....

Would the LDS folks turn out for a professional sporting event held on a Sunday in sufficient numbers?


That was the first question that popped into my mind as well. I think the Sunday schedule of the NFL would be a huge issue out there.

Not quite the same as BYU being a Mormon-run institution, as there are obviously non-Mormons in Utah. But I still think the critical mass would be lacking.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 01, 2021, 06:20:32 PM

How many corporations are going to buy boxes there?  How is the near bankrupt PR going to build a stadium in the first place?

Romantic idea but doesn't seem very realistic to me.

Lots of tax breaks available. How many rich fans in Jax or NO?  Both reside on the Hurricane Highway.

And in reality, Phoenix and Tampa fan bases were built on the Snow Bird population migration. Many Vegas Raiders fans fly in for the weekend from the Bay Area.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 01, 2021, 06:33:20 PM
San Juan metro population is 2.3 million.  San Juan Hurricanes would be a big draw.  Betting, traveling fans like Vegas. Newsie has the cash.

Endorse.  I love PR
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on October 01, 2021, 07:16:21 PM
Very hot and then hurricane season.   How many of the 2.3 million residents can afford season tickets?  And would we then have to make PR a state?

Looking forward to adding Mexico and Ontario as states too when the NFL embraces it's role as the vanguard of empire.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 01, 2021, 10:04:41 PM
Would love a team in San Juan, don't see it happening unfortunately.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on October 01, 2021, 10:56:34 PM
Amid all of the questions about whose next, one intriguing question is if the NFL were formed today and could start over, where would they place franchises. The debate about the next city is interesting but, given the economic, social and demographic make-up of this country, where would they locate franchises.

Major American cities could be broken down into four categories -- the 15 largest markets that are "locks" for any sports franchise. There's another nine cities -- including two the NFL is not in -- that would be probable locations for franchises. What's interesting is guessing where the NFL is that, if they had to do it over again from scratch, might not get a team and the six cities, four of which have a team, that most likely would not.

Of course, you'd have to deal with stadiums, etc., but imagining what the foundation of the NFL would look like today is interesting.

Here's the list:

Locks              Probable      Maybe Not         No
New York City      Charlotte      Pittsburgh         Green Bay
Boston              Nashville      Cincinnati         Buffalo
Washington      Tampa      New Orleans      Jacksonville
Philadelphia      Orlando      Indianapolis      Baltimore
Chicago              Cleveland      Portland         St. Louis
Atlanta              Twin Cities                       Memphis
Dallas              Kansas City            
Houston              Las Vegas            
Phoenix              San Diego            
Denver                  
Los Angeles                  
San Francisco                  
Seattle                  
Detroit                  
Miami                  
   

The locks are self-evident. They're the largest and most prosperous metro areas in the United States. The only surprise in that list is Detroit, which if the NFL started today, would be a lock because of the presence of the automobile and finance businesses. With he rest of these cities, there's no way you could have an NFK without a presence in each of these markets.

The probables are strong markets with good population growth, corporate headquarters or other factors conducive to a major market sports franchise. This includes San Diego and Orlando -- two markets that today do not have NFL teams but if the league were constituted from scratch, I can't imagine they would not get one. The only constraint would be how large a new league would want to be.

The Maybe Nots are cities that, in all but one case, have NFL franchises. These are post industrial cities that largely have supported their teams. But if you were to start from scratch, the only city in this group I might put a team in would be Cincinnati, largely because of the presence of a strong banking community and Procter & Gamble. New Orleans is a relatively small metro area that, if I was starting from scratch, I'd probably look elsewhere. Portland, with Nike and strong demographics, ordinarily would be a good location. But is it big enough and is the city stable enough to support an NFL team.

Of the definitely nots, the one that's going to get me in trouble is Green Bay. And, that includes Milwaukee. The state is an incredible supporter of the Packers, like Pittsburgh and the Steelers. But, it's just too small and Milwaukee has significant racial and dying industry problems. The shrinkage in the city and slow growth in the suburbs is telling and would not be a place I'd want to start from scratch. Ditto for Buffalo -- which, if starting from scratch, would be in Toronto. Baltimore, Memphis, St. Louis and even Jacksonville are slow growth markets with a changing economic base.

In short, if the NFL were starting today, there would be a whole lot fewer Midwest teams. The focus would be on high-growth communities that are strong and growing media markets.




Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 01, 2021, 11:52:58 PM
Amid all of the questions about whose next, one intriguing question is if the NFL were formed today and could start over, where would they place franchises. The debate about the next city is interesting but, given the economic, social and demographic make-up of this country, where would they locate franchises.

Major American cities could be broken down into four categories -- the 15 largest markets that are "locks" for any sports franchise. There's another nine cities -- including two the NFL is not in -- that would be probable locations for franchises. What's interesting is guessing where the NFL is that, if they had to do it over again from scratch, might not get a team and the six cities, four of which have a team, that most likely would not.

Of course, you'd have to deal with stadiums, etc., but imagining what the foundation of the NFL would look like today is interesting.

Here's the list:

Locks              Probable      Maybe Not         No
New York City      Charlotte      Pittsburgh         Green Bay
Boston              Nashville      Cincinnati         Buffalo
Washington      Tampa      New Orleans      Jacksonville
Philadelphia      Orlando      Indianapolis      Baltimore
Chicago              Cleveland      Portland         St. Louis
Atlanta              Twin Cities                       Memphis
Dallas              Kansas City            
Houston              Las Vegas            
Phoenix              San Diego            
Denver                  
Los Angeles                  
San Francisco                  
Seattle                  
Detroit                  
Miami                  
   

The locks are self-evident. They're the largest and most prosperous metro areas in the United States. The only surprise in that list is Detroit, which if the NFL started today, would be a lock because of the presence of the automobile and finance businesses. With he rest of these cities, there's no way you could have an NFK without a presence in each of these markets.

The probables are strong markets with good population growth, corporate headquarters or other factors conducive to a major market sports franchise. This includes San Diego and Orlando -- two markets that today do not have NFL teams but if the league were constituted from scratch, I can't imagine they would not get one. The only constraint would be how large a new league would want to be.

The Maybe Nots are cities that, in all but one case, have NFL franchises. These are post industrial cities that largely have supported their teams. But if you were to start from scratch, the only city in this group I might put a team in would be Cincinnati, largely because of the presence of a strong banking community and Procter & Gamble. New Orleans is a relatively small metro area that, if I was starting from scratch, I'd probably look elsewhere. Portland, with Nike and strong demographics, ordinarily would be a good location. But is it big enough and is the city stable enough to support an NFL team.

Of the definitely nots, the one that's going to get me in trouble is Green Bay. And, that includes Milwaukee. The state is an incredible supporter of the Packers, like Pittsburgh and the Steelers. But, it's just too small and Milwaukee has significant racial and dying industry problems. The shrinkage in the city and slow growth in the suburbs is telling and would not be a place I'd want to start from scratch. Ditto for Buffalo -- which, if starting from scratch, would be in Toronto. Baltimore, Memphis, St. Louis and even Jacksonville are slow growth markets with a changing economic base.

In short, if the NFL were starting today, there would be a whole lot fewer Midwest teams. The focus would be on high-growth communities that are strong and growing media markets.
Though provoking analysis.

Detroit would not be a surprise to me. Still the 14th Largest SMA and as you point out still  lots of business there . Also a great sports town.

I think you may be a bit unnecessarily bearish on Pittsburgh. It is 27th SMSA. There is significant wealth there and the city is no longer urban grit. Throw in the history of football loving people in Western PA and it would be a lock.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on October 02, 2021, 12:03:35 AM
The fact that Mpls/St Paul is the 16th largest MSA in the US, and are a "maybe" under dgies list, and considered a small market MLB city is just sad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on October 02, 2021, 07:56:51 AM
The fact that Mpls/St Paul is the 16th largest MSA in the US, and are a "maybe" under dgies list, and considered a small market MLB city is just sad.

Brother Ziggy:

Interesting thought. What's really fascinating is imagining the same calculation for major league baseball. If MLB were started today, I would guess only six cities would be "locks" for an MLB team. These are cities that would support a team come what may and that an owner probably could make money -- though given the historical stupidity of MLB owners who the heck knows!

This is very different than the NFL!

Five of the six "locks" are cities one would expect: New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Boston and San Francisco. With 81 home games a year, there's strong enough interest, cash flow to pay free agents. All have such good potential corporate sponsorship that a team would have to be pretty stupid to lose money in any of these communities. Of course, there's always Frank McCort!

The sixth market is St. Louis. I'm not sure what it is about baseball and St. Louis, but this "small market" has supported the Cardinals about as well as it possibly could. The Cardinals are in that city's and the region's DNA. The only question would be if MLB started today, would anyone see that?

The open question about "lock" markets is whether the seventh market would be Brooklyn, as distinct from the rest of New York City. When they had the Dodgers, it was a different era, but Brooklyn was as rabid about baseball as St. Louis fans were -- maybe more so. With Brooklyn becoming gentrified, it's interesting to imagine what would have happened if Walter O'Malley and Robert Moses could have settled the stadium issue back in 1955 and 1956.

17 of the potential markets for MLB would fall into either Probable or Maybe Not (including two of three major Canadian cities). Minnesota and Milwaukee both would fall into "maybe not" in this estimation due to their fair weather fandom. Both draw well when the team is good but historically have not drawn especially well when the team is mediocre or bad. Plus, I'm not forgetting the Selig/Pohlad contraction effort more than a decade ago.

In Minnesota's case, I also think the state blew it when they didn't at least put a retractable dome on Target Field.

The remaining group of nine existing, former and wishful MLB cities fall into "Not". This includes all of the major Florida cities, which is amazing since if Miami had a decent ownership, it would have to be a "lock." Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Baltimore and Oakland fall into this group, with the only surprise being Baltimore. Perhaps if the Orioles were any good, this would change.

It's amazing how excessive inventory, bad management and community indifference changes the location question!

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 02, 2021, 08:01:14 AM
I really don’t think you have a thorough understanding of markets and how teams make money these days.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 02, 2021, 08:11:45 AM
Gronk doubtful for Bucs Patriots . Would have been fun to see him against his former organization . Jason Pierre Paul also out for Bucs.

This may end up being a close game
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on October 02, 2021, 10:38:36 AM
I really don’t think you have a thorough understanding of markets and how teams make money these days.

Brother Fluff:

They make money primarily off television.

The difference between the NFL and MLB is that in the former, almost all TV revenue is negotiated by the League Office. While MLB has moved toward that model, there's no where near the coordination and revenue sharing in MLB that there is in the NFL. Pete Rozelle was a genius for forcing that model.

Secondly, one of the reasons that JerryWorld exists in Dallas and Kronkeland exists in LA is that TV revenue is split equally among NFL franchises, whether you're in Green Bay or New York (who would have thought the NFL was a bunch of socialists). Jerry Jones figured out very early on that stadium revenue, which is kept by the franchise, separates great from ordinary NFL franchises. The Bears have finally awoken to that reality with their proposed Arlington Heights move. Jones made a product that competes with the official sponsor of the NFL the Official Whatever of the Dallas Cowboys. Since the Cowboys were and are one of the most valuable franchises in the NFL, the sponsors took notice. Now, you have the Official Personal Healthcare Product of the Carolina Panthers (LOL, sorry Brother MU).

It's evident that the successful franchises in MLB (except St. Louis) are those in massive television markets that also can put three million or more annually into their stadiums. You have to have both to consistently succeed, unless you're the Cardinals. And even the Cardinals probably don't make money unless they make the playoffs. And, of course, there's the tax treatment of baseball losses and long-term capital gains treatment on sale (which historically has been where most MLB owners made their money).

The NFL realistically has about 10 preeminent franchises. MLB really has about four -- the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs and Dodgers. The NFL's include small market Green Bay, which has figured out how to feast off big-market television revenue while maximizing small market stadium and ancillary revenue. Quite frankly, Green Bay is a bit of an outlier. The closest thing to Green Bay in MLB might be Kansas City or Milwaukee. If MLB started today, do you think either would get a team?

Not on your life or mine!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 02, 2021, 10:48:16 AM
The Milwaukee Brewers are plenty successful.  The margin for error is clearly smaller, but they win and turn a profit doing so.

You are way overthinking this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on October 02, 2021, 11:27:40 AM
Oh yeah, no team is going to take over Soldier Field.

If the Bears utilize Legends Hospitality to sell PSL's and work through concessions, then you'll get near 100% commitment from fellow NFL owners. Jerry Jones would ensure that happens.

Does it expand the league's footprint? An expansion team would, but I don't think the Chicago market would work for an expansion team. Outside of Austin/San Antonio, I'm not sure where else in the US the NFL can go. We know it's not St. Louis or San Diego. It really comes down to where the money is more than anything else. Is the value of a current NFL franchise worth more as a secondary team in Chicago than in their current home market?

The league's footprint is going to be expanded simply by creating more inventory. A move to 36 teams creates more inventory. How they rearrange things with expansion and markets of course matters, but having a brand new privately financed 80,000 seat stadium in the third largest media market would certainly help the NFL figure that out.

The NFL has its hands full with St. Louis. It hasn’t been covered much nationally, but for the past 5 years there has been a lawsuit of Stl vs Kroenke/NFL. St. Louis has won every legal decision during that time. (Trial is January 2022). It’s a multi billion dollar trial. (Ben Frederickson has covered it for 5 years. To a lesser extent Seth Wickersham at ESPN. Ben Fischer recently discovered it. Pro Football Talk. Obviously the media outlets that do business with the NFL haven’t covered it. NFL Network’s new home is at Kroenke’s new stadium after all.)

Some of the information, recordings, emails, texts, and 42 depositions have been eye opening for some, unsurprising for others. Kroenke, Demoff, Grubman, Gooddell, Jones, the relocation committee.

Apparently, the court system frowns upon breaking your own rules and making them up as you go.

Currently there is a running fine meter of the owners for not turning over financial information by deadline. It includes all personal financial statements of the past 3 years, personal federal income tax returns for the past 3 years, sworn statement confirming net worth, etc…(Kroenke, Kraft, Richardson, Hunt, Mara, Jones). and that’s just for the punitive damages part of the case. $$$.

Lots of popcorn eating court drama and legal document reading. Some bad people have been getting exposed in court.

Some have discussed the NFL offering St. Louis a team to make it go away. Not sure that would happen. Some have suggested The Stl would rather have the money, and a settlement would have to start with a B.

January will be here soon. We’ll see.
 



Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on October 02, 2021, 01:26:31 PM
The NFL has its hands full with St. Louis. It hasn’t been covered much nationally, but for the past 5 years there has been a lawsuit of Stl vs Kroenke/NFL. St. Louis has won every legal decision during that time. (Trial is January 2022). It’s a multi billion dollar trial. (Ben Frederickson has covered it for 5 years. To a lesser extent Seth Wickersham at ESPN. Ben Fischer recently discovered it. Pro Football Talk. Obviously the media outlets that do business with the NFL haven’t covered it. NFL Network’s new home is at Kroenke’s new stadium after all.)

Some of the information, recordings, emails, texts, and 42 depositions have been eye opening for some, unsurprising for others. Kroenke, Demoff, Grubman, Gooddell, Jones, the relocation committee.

Apparently, the court system frowns upon breaking your own rules and making them up as you go.

Currently there is a running fine meter of the owners for not turning over financial information by deadline. It includes all personal financial statements of the past 3 years, personal federal income tax returns for the past 3 years, sworn statement confirming net worth, etc…(Kroenke, Kraft, Richardson, Hunt, Mara, Jones). and that’s just for the punitive damages part of the case. $$$.

Lots of popcorn eating court drama and legal document reading. Some bad people have been getting exposed in court.

Some have discussed the NFL offering St. Louis a team to make it go away. Not sure that would happen. Some have suggested The Stl would rather have the money, and a settlement would have to start with a B.

January will be here soon. We’ll see.

Brother Hoops,

You aint kidding. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. Were St. Louis to get a team, the rules are different today and its much tougher to move. Plus, there's no obvious choice on where to move. LA is gone and the NFL has been shrewd in getting to higher growth, opportunistic cities.

There's always Orlando, Portland and San Antonio -- and San Juan -- but these cities are a far cry from Los Angeles. Or even San Diego for that matter.

The lawsuit will be fascinating and it will be interesting to see what happens when GAAP-based financial statements get turned over to the courts. I can hardly wait to see the McCaskeys!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on October 02, 2021, 02:05:24 PM
Brother Hoops,

You aint kidding. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. Were St. Louis to get a team, the rules are different today and its much tougher to move. Plus, there's no obvious choice on where to move. LA is gone and the NFL has been shrewd in getting to higher growth, opportunistic cities.

There's always Orlando, Portland and San Antonio -- and San Juan -- but these cities are a far cry from Los Angeles. Or even San Diego for that matter.

The lawsuit will be fascinating and it will be interesting to see what happens when GAAP-based financial statements get turned over to the courts. I can hardly wait to see the McCaskeys!

Working backwards, you won’t get to see the financials of any owner other than Kroenke and the six I mentioned that were on the relocation committee. That’s all the judge would approve. (Stl tried for everyone)

Kroenke only cares about moving up the the Billionaire lists. Little else interests him or fazes him. The one thing that does bother him is whenever someone says he married into wealth and that he is not a self made man. That is the one thing that sets him off. Otherwise he is ruthless Silent Stan. Instead of donating the former practice facility to a kids group who was using it, he fought tooth and nail in court for it instead.

I think people there wish he would have sold to Khan. When Georgia Frontiere died her kids wanted to sell their 60% of the team. (not sports people). Kroenke owned 40% and he had first right of refusal. Kroenke entered an agreement with Shahid Khan, now owner of Jacksonville Jaguars, Fulham FC…etc..to sell his 40% to Khan who would buy the 100% of the team. Kroenke waited until the last minute, last day, to say he was buying the team, which surprised Khan. Kroenke had first right of refusal to buy 100% of the team.

From Day 1 Kroenke’s plan was to move the team to L.A. where he could maximize his money, and where he would build a privately funded stadium, one he wouldn’t do in Stl. Lots and lots of documentation of this. Khan faced lots of racism and discrimination but he eventually landed the Jaguars, and he brought several St. Louis people with him. (there are only 32 teams so you don’t get to pick and choose markets). Mark Lamping, former President of the St. Louis Cardinals baseball team became their team President, Jimmy Woodcock, Marketing/PR VP formerly of the St. Louis Blues etc went with Khan to Jacksonville.

Supporting a team was never their issue. (They even led the XFL in attendance) A bit of bad luck to get Bill Bidwill and Stan Kroenke as two different team owners.

Kroenke has been to court with every single business partner he has ever had. So this won’t be any different for him. But the stakes are pretty high this time. They tried and tried to stall and run out the clock for several years. It didn’t work. They are still trying. Pandemic pushed the trial back a bit. But they have run out of motions, and January is the trial in St. Louis.







Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 02, 2021, 08:52:38 PM
You can probably accelerate the Urban headache out of Jacksonville
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 02, 2021, 08:58:10 PM
You can probably accelerate the Urban headache out of Jacksonville

Uh….wow.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 02, 2021, 09:10:36 PM
Uh….wow.

FWIW, his exit out of Florida was heavily rumored to include relationships with co-eds.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 02, 2021, 09:56:49 PM
FWIW, his exit out of Florida was heavily rumored to include relationships with co-eds.

From people who know, it wasnt rumored, it was pretty much stone cold truth.  Whether that was the key reason for leaving is up for debate and unlikely, but the instances of it happening were more than just simple internet rumor and speculation.  It was with co-eds and younger females in the athletic department.

The best part is the videos and pictures are at a steakhouse with his name on it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 02, 2021, 10:16:01 PM
Guys'll do anything to not coach Jacksonville
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 02, 2021, 10:52:43 PM
Brother Ziggy:

Interesting thought. What's really fascinating is imagining the same calculation for major league baseball. If MLB were started today, I would guess only six cities would be "locks" for an MLB team.



I’m sorry, dries. I don’t get your point. The majority of stuff in the world would be different if they were re-started today. It would be one boring, generic mess dictated by empty suits.

The character of  the NFL or MLB would be completely gone.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 03, 2021, 10:45:16 AM
Interesting takes from Steven A and Tim Tebow on Urban Meyer. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BDMV6SMT4Y
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 03, 2021, 12:06:24 PM
Are the Lions the worst team in the NFL?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 03, 2021, 12:27:58 PM
Yes.  A turnover of a type never previously seen.   Glad that is out of the way for this week.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 03, 2021, 12:33:50 PM
No way is Matt Nagy calling plays today.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 03, 2021, 01:08:23 PM
Lions
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 03, 2021, 01:09:34 PM
Say what you will about his contract, but Robert Quinn is having a monster season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 03, 2021, 01:27:02 PM
Say what you will about his contract, but Robert Quinn is having a monster season.

Met him and his wife last year pretty shortly after they moved to Chicago. Nice guy, really quiet, but did just seem off.

I think his back or something was really bothering him left season, was really struggling to move when I met him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 03, 2021, 01:39:13 PM
Minnesota really screwed up the end of the first half.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 03, 2021, 02:51:01 PM
Playing at home against Detroit sure made the rookie franchise savior look better, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 03, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
Glad we could miss entire quarter to watch the train wreck of a titans/jets OT.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on October 03, 2021, 03:55:21 PM
Glad we could miss entire quarter to watch the train wreck of a titans/jets OT.

I’ve seen the whole Packers game. Not missing a ton.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on October 03, 2021, 04:06:56 PM
Keke looked like Reggie White there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 03, 2021, 04:10:55 PM
Glad we could miss entire quarter to watch the train wreck of a titans/jets OT.

No issue on Sunday Ticket here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 03, 2021, 04:35:00 PM
No issue on Sunday Ticket here.

Interesting. Sunday ticket refused to show the game, as it was supposed to be on the local channel, even thought the local channel was showing titans/jets OT (that wasn't even a scheduled game on the local channel).

Kind of find that BS.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 03, 2021, 04:36:40 PM
Interesting. Sunday ticket refused to show the game, as it was supposed to be on the local channel, even thought the local channel was showing titans/jets OT (that wasn't even a scheduled game on the local channel).

Kind of find that BS.

Channels 701 & 702 never blackout games. All I watch are those channels.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 03, 2021, 04:41:44 PM
Are the Lions the worst team in the NFL?
I think Lions Jags would be a hard fought battle.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 03, 2021, 04:50:25 PM
Channels 701 & 702 never blackout games. All I watch are those channels.

Didn't try that. Thanks for the heads up for next time this happens.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 03, 2021, 04:51:26 PM
I think Lions Jags would be a hard fought battle.

I think Urban would have a reason to dance after that game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 03, 2021, 05:50:33 PM
Alexander break his collarbone? Initially I was hoping just a stinger.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 03, 2021, 05:52:46 PM
Alexander break his collarbone? Initially I was hoping just a stinger.
I hope not. That would be disastrous.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 03, 2021, 05:55:41 PM
I was having a conversation with a buddy earlier, is Roethlisberger a HOFer?  I don't care about the off the field stuff that happened 15 years ago, but based on his career.

If you asked me 10 years ago, I would have thought he was gonna be a no doubter, but his latter career has been a bit spotty.  But he's gonna finish top 5 all time in passing yards.  Won 2 SBs, ROY, I wanna say 7 or 8 Pro Bowls.  He's a top tier member of the Hall of Very Good, but he's close.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on October 03, 2021, 06:02:09 PM
Pittsburgh's 4th down play calling has been atrocious.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 03, 2021, 06:06:59 PM
Ben is done. Lots of excuses by Romo and the studio crew but he’s been terrible.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 03, 2021, 06:07:28 PM
Didn’t think a month in that the Cardinals & Cowboys are the two best eye test teams in the NFC, but here we are.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 03, 2021, 06:18:08 PM
Ben is done. Lots of excuses by Romo and the studio crew but he’s been terrible.

He should have retired after last year.  At his peak, his biggest assets were a huge, yet accurate arm and his sheer size/athleticism that let him chuck defenders off him with some odd yet effective mobility.  He's got neither of those left.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 03, 2021, 07:27:49 PM
Didn't see any of the NFL games today except the Panthers-Cowboys, which I (unfortunately) watched with a Cowboys-fan friend of mine.

The Packers covered, but it looks like they had to battle to do so? And I'm very surprised by that Cardinals-Rams score, as I thought the Rams were the best team in the conference. I love that the Saints lost. Stunned that the Jets beat the Titans. Looking forward to seeing highlights of all the games on Sportscenter.

The Panthers didn't protect Darnold well enough, and I was impressed with the Cowboys' D overall. Prescott was very good, and the running game was outstanding. The Panthers were down two defensive starters, but had their entire line, and they were manhandled quite often by the Cowboys' line. The Panthers rallied gamely to make it interesting, and I still think my team is pretty good. We have home games against the Eagles and Vikings coming up (I'm going to the latter), so we have a decent shot at being 5-1.

If the Cowboys stay healthy, they have a chance for a very good season, and Prescott has to be one of the MVP frontrunners.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 03, 2021, 07:30:04 PM
Packers were fine. Not much in doubt when they went up 17.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 03, 2021, 07:36:16 PM
Packers were fine. Not much in doubt when they went up 17.

Thanks for the info.

As I said, I didn't see it and didn't even follow the score. I know nothing about the game except the final score.

I thought the Packers would cover and said so here, and it sounds from your post like they did it easily.

I'm still trying to figure out how the Steelers routed the Bills, but it's kind of like the Saints routing the Packers. Sometimes the snowball gets rolling downhill and it's impossible to stop it; even very good teams sometimes have very bad games.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 03, 2021, 07:42:34 PM
Thanks for the info.

As I said, I didn't see it and didn't even follow the score. I know nothing about the game except the final score.

I thought the Packers would cover and said so here, and it sounds from your post like they did it easily.

I'm still trying to figure out how the Steelers routed the Bills, but it's kind of like the Saints routing the Packers. Sometimes the snowball gets rolling downhill and it's impossible to stop it; even very good teams sometimes have very bad games.

I think the Packers hardly playing in the preseason is what week one was about.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on October 03, 2021, 07:57:42 PM
I think the Packers hardly playing in the preseason is what week one was about.

Yup. Always was. They punted on week 1. They're (by far) the best team in the NFC North, but teams like the Cardinals, Rams, Bucs, etc. are all probably better. Will come down to who’s healthy at the end of the year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on October 03, 2021, 09:21:31 PM
I was having a conversation with a buddy earlier, is Roethlisberger a HOFer?  I don't care about the off the field stuff that happened 15 years ago, but based on his career.

If you asked me 10 years ago, I would have thought he was gonna be a no doubter, but his latter career has been a bit spotty.  But he's gonna finish top 5 all time in passing yards.  Won 2 SBs, ROY, I wanna say 7 or 8 Pro Bowls.  He's a top tier member of the Hall of Very Good, but he's close.

He’ll be in comfortably on his first ballot.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 03, 2021, 10:04:19 PM
He’ll be in comfortably on his first ballot.

Agreed. Easy choice based on career numbers and 2 titles.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 03, 2021, 10:38:38 PM
56-year FG attempt in a driving rain instead of going for it on 4th-and-3? And even if you make the kick, you leave Brady almost a minute left and 2 time-outs to win it on a FG?

WTF, Belichick?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on October 03, 2021, 10:40:21 PM
56-year FG attempt in a driving rain instead of going for it on 4th-and-3? And even if you make the kick, you leave Brady almost a minute left and 2 time-outs to win it on a FG?

WTF, Belichick?

He has a kicker who hadn’t missed since week 2 of last season and a rookie QB. Lost by 3 inches maybe?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 03, 2021, 10:45:16 PM
Mission Accomplished for The Bucs.

Lot of emotion out there . Pats defense played well and their young quarterback Mr Jones has some ability .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 03, 2021, 11:41:41 PM
He has a kicker who hadn’t missed since week 2 of last season and a rookie QB. Lost by 3 inches maybe?

Sure, but that kicker hadn't connected from beyond 51 yards since 2016. Hitting from 56 in the rain is a big ask.
And that rookie QB had been picking apart the Bucs D most of the second half. I take my chances on him picking up 3 yards more than a guy hitting a career long in the pouring rain.
Lastly, as noted, even if Folk makes the kick, you're leaving Brady with plenty of time to get in FG position.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 04, 2021, 07:27:33 AM
He has a kicker who hadn’t missed since week 2 of last season and a rookie QB. Lost by 3 inches maybe?

What Pakuni said.

And the kick barely grazed the outside of the upright. Miss was by more like a foot or two, not that it matters.

It was a surprisingly poor decision by one of the great coaches in NFL history, albeit a coach who has a 62-75 record without Tom Brady as his starting QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 04, 2021, 08:15:52 AM
What Pakuni said.

And the kick barely grazed the outside of the upright. Miss was by more like a foot or two, not that it matters.

It was a surprisingly poor decision by one of the great coaches in NFL history, albeit a coach who has a 62-75 record without Tom Brady as his starting QB.

To be fair. He neutered Brady, who is playing behind a top 5 offensive line, and probably the best receiving corps in the league. Neutered him to a point that his rookie QB playing with a vastly inferior line and receiving corps outplayed Brady considerably.

Tampa Bay should have won in a blowout with their talent.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 04, 2021, 08:32:26 AM
To be fair. He neutered Brady, who is playing behind a top 5 offensive line, and probably the best receiving corps in the league. Neutered him to a point that his rookie QB playing with a vastly inferior line and receiving corps outplayed Brady considerably.

Tampa Bay should have won in a blowout with their talent.

Belichick is a top-5 coach in NFL history. He coached a fine game last night. I never said otherwise.

But even great coaches who are having fine games can make poor decisions ... and he made a very poor decision at the end, one with a lower chance of success than his other option.

Changing the subject to "Belichick neutered Brady" doesn't change any of the above.

As for the stat I quoted, it's simply a fact. As is this: Brady has won a championship without Belichick; Belichick has won zip without Brady. There is all kinds of nuance, and many points that could be debated ... but that's an irrefutable fact, as is Belichick's career .453 winning percentage in games in which he didn't have the greatest QB of all time under center.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 04, 2021, 09:00:27 AM
To be fair. He neutered Brady, who is playing behind a top 5 offensive line, and probably the best receiving corps in the league. Neutered him to a point that his rookie QB playing with a vastly inferior line and receiving corps outplayed Brady considerably.

Tampa Bay should have won in a blowout with their talent.

I don't think anyone is questioning anything except the decision to try for the FG in that circumstance.
Given Folk's lack of leg strength, the conditions and the success of the short-passing game to that point, I'd rather put my trust in Josh McDaniel dialing up a play that can get three yards over a kicker hitting a career-long FG in a monsoon.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 04, 2021, 09:01:18 AM
Statistical anomaly:

Sam Darnold leads the NFL in rushing TDs, with 5. And he -- not Tarkenton or Staubach or Douglass or Cunningham or Vick or Newton -- is the first QB in NFL history with 5 rushing TDs in a season's first 4 games.

I hadn't seen Darnold play 10 minutes during his 3 seasons with the Jets, so I didn't know what to expect. He has put together a very nice first quarter of the season. A few bad plays -- including 2 third-quarter INTs yesterday that helped seal the Panthers' fate -- but every QB makes a few bad plays. Otherwise, he's been quite good. And I'm glad to see him use his feet because in watching him move during the season opener, I thought: "Wow. This guy is quicker, and a better athlete, than we were led to believe."

Maybe Darnold's big blow-up is still to come, but if the Panthers protect him at all, he can go on to have a very productive first season in Charlotte and maybe be the follow-up to Newton in the "franchise QB" department.

I thought at the time that the trade for Darnold was a low-risk, potentially-high-reward deal, but hat tip to Wags for saying he thought the Panthers might have gotten a steal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 04, 2021, 09:21:10 AM
To be fair. He neutered Brady, who is playing behind a top 5 offensive line, and probably the best receiving corps in the league. Neutered him to a point that his rookie QB playing with a vastly inferior line and receiving corps outplayed Brady considerably.

Tampa Bay should have won in a blowout with their talent.
The announcers pointed out that the Pats Defensive strategy was to consistently change their Defensive scheme so that Brady could not get in a consistent rhythm.  The Pats had some success with that strategy. So I agree with You that the Pats did a very good job taking away the Bucs clear offensive advantage.

The Bucs have been weak defensively this year.  They were playing with Richard Sherman last night who is not in game condition, and it showed. Mac Jones did play to the best of his ability last night for sure. Looks like he has a decent future in this league.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 04, 2021, 09:38:24 AM
As for the stat I quoted, it's simply a fact. As is this: Brady has won a championship without Belichick; Belichick has won zip without Brady.


Well unless you count his work as defensive coordinator of the Giants when he won two Super Bowl by completely throttling high flying offenses lead by John Elway and Jim Kelly.

If there is one coach that I would draw up a defensive gameplan to win one game, it would be him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on October 04, 2021, 10:16:23 AM
Uh oh...it looks like (https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1444471016944713732?s=20) Urban might be having some more health issues before long. Or maybe he just wants to spend more time his family.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 04, 2021, 11:24:20 AM
He has a kicker who hadn’t missed since week 2 of last season and a rookie QB. Lost by 3 inches maybe?

in driving rain, on turf, with an injured plant leg. Plus, The Bucs had two time outs and Brady. Poor decision even if it almost worked.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 04, 2021, 12:32:59 PM

Well unless you count his work as defensive coordinator of the Giants when he won two Super Bowl by completely throttling high flying offenses lead by John Elway and Jim Kelly.

If there is one coach that I would draw up a defensive gameplan to win one game, it would be him.

Fair.

I obviously was talking about him as a head coach, but you're right. And I agree with your last sentence, too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 04, 2021, 12:41:19 PM
I think that a lot of New England's problems the last couple of years are mostly due to BB being a "meh" general manager. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 04, 2021, 12:49:50 PM
I think that a lot of New England's problems the last couple of years are mostly due to BB being a "meh" general manager.

He's always drafted pretty "meh," but his hits have been all-time hits. As a GM, he's been really good at identifying when a player on another team can be useful for him (Moss, Welker, Gilmore, Revis, etc.) and when to cut bait on star players on his roster.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 04, 2021, 12:53:23 PM
He's always drafted pretty "meh," but his hits have been all-time hits. As a GM, he's been really good at identifying when a player on another team can be useful for him (Moss, Welker, Gilmore, Revis, etc.) and when to cut bait on star players on his roster.

Agreed, but I think he's had more misses than hits recently.  And there got to be this expectation that EVERY signing from the island of misfit toys would automatically become a stud again by playing under BB and at Gillette.  That certainly isn't the case and I think that played into it a bit.  So you have mediocre drafting and then suddenly you don't have multiple stud reclamation projects every year or two and this happens.

BB's an incredible coach and system creator but he definitely can be a victim of his own hubris at times.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on October 04, 2021, 02:16:17 PM
Uh oh...it looks like (https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1444471016944713732?s=20) Urban might be having some more health issues before long. Or maybe he just wants to spend more time his family.


Maybe he’s just checking to see if he left his wallet…ummm…between her legs?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: drewm88 on October 04, 2021, 02:35:37 PM
More than the FG attempt last night, I don't get why the Patriots didn't run on the last drive. Six passes zero runs. Plenty of time to get into FG range, plus less time for the Bucs to drive back down if you make it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 04, 2021, 02:42:00 PM
More than the FG attempt last night, I don't get why the Patriots didn't run on the last drive. Six passes zero runs. Plenty of time to get into FG range, plus less time for the Bucs to drive back down if you make it.

They couldn't run all night. Couldn't handle Vea in particular. Eight carries for -1 yards. Biggest run of the night was Nelson Algholor for 4 yards on a jet sweep.
Given those results, the patchwork Bucs secondary and Jones success on the night, I can't blame them for not running. Short passing game was so much more effective.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 04, 2021, 03:08:16 PM
Tampa run defense good.
Tampa pass defense meh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 04, 2021, 03:17:59 PM
If you need a laugh, here’s McAfee talking about the Urban Meyer situation. He couldn’t keep it together.

https://youtu.be/2S_RkZImhNQ
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 04, 2021, 04:21:45 PM
More than the FG attempt last night, I don't get why the Patriots didn't run on the last drive. Six passes zero runs. Plenty of time to get into FG range, plus less time for the Bucs to drive back down if you make it.

I think a run on 3rd-and-3 could have been especially effective; you do it with the understanding that if you don't get the first down, you'll go for it on 4th down.

But that's a minor quibble compared to the decision to try a 56-yard FG in a driving rainstorm.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 04, 2021, 04:47:17 PM
If you need a laugh, here’s McAfee talking about the Urban Meyer situation. He couldn’t keep it together.

https://youtu.be/2S_RkZImhNQ

Urban probably coaching from the box next week since he's on IR with sprained fingers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 04, 2021, 06:20:53 PM
Urban probably coaching from the box next week since he's on IR with sprained fingers.

He's already been in too many boxes this week
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 04, 2021, 07:31:45 PM
He's already been in too many boxes this week

Both of these are well done, kudos.

Adding to Urban the unrepentant douche...he claims he was at dinner with his grandkids in a private room and some people wanted a picture, so he went over to indulge them and they were trying to "FORCE" him to drink and dance, etc...What an assclown
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 04, 2021, 07:39:01 PM
He's always drafted pretty "meh," but his hits have been all-time hits. As a GM, he's been really good at identifying when a player on another team can be useful for him (Moss, Welker, Gilmore, Revis, etc.) and when to cut bait on star players on his roster.
I think the Pats made a good decision to draft Mac Jones, however I question their decision to cut bait on Cam.

I also thought the Pats did bring in some good free agents. Judon looks particularly strong.  I think in a year the team will be competitive again.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on October 04, 2021, 08:29:58 PM
I think the Pats made a good decision to draft Mac Jones, however I question their decision to cut bait on Cam.

I also thought the Pats did bring in some good free agents. Judon looks particularly strong.  I think in a year the team will be competitive again.

Totally agree on Cam. Just look at the value he’s bringing to the _________ organization.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 04, 2021, 09:18:15 PM
Hebert looks like the real deal to me. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 04, 2021, 09:24:45 PM
Totally agree on Cam. Just look at the value he’s bringing to the _________ organization.
Good point.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 04, 2021, 10:00:57 PM
Totally agree on Cam. Just look at the value he’s bringing to the _________ organization.

I have always liked Cam, but he has a ton of mileage on him and his arm is shot after the shoulder injuries.  He just wasn't the same player
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 04, 2021, 10:20:06 PM
Belichick is a top-5 coach in NFL history. He coached a fine game last night. I never said otherwise.

But even great coaches who are having fine games can make poor decisions ... and he made a very poor decision at the end, one with a lower chance of success than his other option.

Changing the subject to "Belichick neutered Brady" doesn't change any of the above.

As for the stat I quoted, it's simply a fact. As is this: Brady has won a championship without Belichick; Belichick has won zip without Brady. There is all kinds of nuance, and many points that could be debated ... but that's an irrefutable fact, as is Belichick's career .453 winning percentage in games in which he didn't have the greatest QB of all time under center.

My apologies. Didn't really mean it as a disagreement, rather just printing out what Belichick did really well. And also pointing out TB grossly underperforming in that game.

Really meant it as a different, but related topic.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 04, 2021, 11:23:40 PM
My apologies. Didn't really mean it as a disagreement, rather just printing out what Belichick did really well. And also pointing out TB grossly underperforming in that game.

Really meant it as a different, but related topic.

We're good, forgetful. Thanks for the response.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 05, 2021, 08:06:21 AM
I was watching some of Kyler Murray's high school highlights?  Beyond belief and I think he was only 5'5.  He may be the best athlete since Bo Jackson?   He was also apparently great in basketball before he gave it up for football and baseball.  And he was a tremendous youth chess player.  The guy is slightly talented.  I think he's closer to 5'8. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 05, 2021, 08:20:44 AM
I was watching some of Kyler Murray's high school highlights?  Beyond belief and I think he was only 5'5.  He may be the best athlete since Bo Jackson?   He was also apparently great in basketball before he gave it up for football and baseball.  And he was a tremendous youth chess player.  The guy is slightly talented.  I think he's closer to 5'8.

Yep, he's a hell of an athlete and a damn good QB. But here's the big question:

Could you post him up? Or vice versa?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 05, 2021, 08:34:17 AM
I was watching some of Kyler Murray's high school highlights?  Beyond belief and I think he was only 5'5.  He may be the best athlete since Bo Jackson?   He was also apparently great in basketball before he gave it up for football and baseball.  And he was a tremendous youth chess player.  The guy is slightly talented.  I think he's closer to 5'8.

Kevin Sumlin mismanaging two 5-star QBs, both of whom ended up playing in the NFL including 1 superstar, leading to both of them transferring is one of the single worst college football coaching gaffes in modern history.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 05, 2021, 08:48:34 AM
Yep, he's a hell of an athlete and a damn good QB. But here's the big question:

Could you post him up? Or vice versa?

Keep in mind basketball was his 3rd sport and also apparently behind his passion for chess.  When he decided to give it a whirl in middle school he started slowly offensively, but was so quick that he dominated defensively and had all the intangibles according to his coaches.  He would have easily been a high D-1 player and probably a pro if he wanted that.  I'm pretty sure he could destroy me in every area of the floor...  except free throws.  I want to play him in chess.  He has what I call zoomability.  I was laughing watching him shred dudes in high school .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 05, 2021, 08:50:31 AM
Kevin Sumlin mismanaging two 5-star QBs, both of whom ended up playing in the NFL including 1 superstar, leading to both of them transferring is one of the single worst college football coaching gaffes in modern history.

Oh..... I didn't realize that.  Whoops. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 05, 2021, 09:17:45 AM
Kevin Sumlin mismanaging two 5-star QBs, both of whom ended up playing in the NFL including 1 superstar, leading to both of them transferring is one of the single worst college football coaching gaffes in modern history.

And who knows what would have happened with Manziel if he didn't have Kingsbury on staff at the time
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 05, 2021, 09:37:15 AM
Keep in mind basketball was his 3rd sport and also apparently behind his passion for chess.  When he decided to give it a whirl in middle school he started slowly offensively, but was so quick that he dominated defensively and had all the intangibles according to his coaches.  He would have easily been a high D-1 player and probably a pro if he wanted that.  I'm pretty sure he could destroy me in every area of the floor...  except free throws.  I want to play him in chess.  He has what I call zoomability.  I was laughing watching him shred dudes in high school .

You might have the quickness advantage on him when it comes to chess. I hear he's especially weak castle-ing to his left.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on October 05, 2021, 10:19:37 AM
You might have the quickness advantage on him when it comes to chess. I hear he's especially weak castle-ing to his left.

You picked that up from just a chess mixtape?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 05, 2021, 10:22:28 AM
You might have the quickness advantage on him when it comes to chess. I hear he's especially weak castle-ing to his left.

Ha!  I'm decent but I'm sure he's better.  A friend of mine is a very good player and plays a lot of online tournaments.  I think his Elo rating is like 1900.  A few months ago he played in a speed tournament with Wesley So who is the #1 ranked American and top 10 in the world.  Basically the grandmasters just do this for fun and are kind of dicking around for kicks.  These guys are so good it's seriously ridiculous.  I would recommend the Doc on Magnus Carlsen.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 05, 2021, 01:33:57 PM
It kinda sounds like the Jags owner wants Urban to walk away saying that he has to regain the trust and confidence of the organization.  I didn't think this was going to work, but didn't think it would get this bad after only four weeks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 05, 2021, 01:52:25 PM
It kinda sounds like the Jags owner wants Urban to walk away saying that he has to regain the trust and confidence of the organization.  I didn't think this was going to work, but didn't think it would get this bad after only four weeks.

I figured he’d at least outperform Petrino.

Based on the below thread, I’m not sure how he lasts much longer.

https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/1445403401660084243?s=20

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 05, 2021, 02:10:42 PM
I figured he’d at least outperform Petrino.

Based on the below thread, I’m not sure how he lasts much longer.

https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/1445403401660084243?s=20


You can bullsh*t college players because you have them by the balls.

You can't bullsh*t professionals.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 05, 2021, 02:17:10 PM
This video of Urban is sooooo good. I don’t remember seeing this last year. Watch it all the way through.

https://twitter.com/bronceiv/status/1445383926701305860?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 05, 2021, 02:19:04 PM

You can bullsh*t college players because you have them by the balls.

You can't bullsh*t professionals.

And Meyer's response makes him look like such a weirdo.  I'm not saying the video is great, but it affects his personal life a hell of a lot more than his coaching life.  Its a locker room of 21-30 year old dudes, they don't really care. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 05, 2021, 02:21:32 PM
And Meyer's response makes him look like such a weirdo.  I'm not saying the video is great, but it affects his personal life a hell of a lot more than his coaching life.  Its a locker room of 21-30 year old dudes, they don't really care. 


Right.  I was reading Ben Koo of Awful Announcing, and he pretty much said that Urban is making this so much worse.  Just have your Monday meeting, say it was a dumb thing to do, and move on. 

He also said that this is all very "on brand" with Urban though...trying in vain to control the messaging when you aren't going to be able to do that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 05, 2021, 02:24:40 PM
This video of Urban is sooooo good. I don’t remember seeing this last year. Watch it all the way through.

https://twitter.com/bronceiv/status/1445383926701305860?s=21

Hadn't seen that before. Hilarious.

You can also see a lot of what is going on in front of urban by looking at the reflection behind him
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 05, 2021, 02:32:52 PM
Hadn't seen that before. Hilarious.

You can also see a lot of what is going on in front of urban by looking at the reflection behind him

I have no doubt Urban was baked as can be for that interview, and once the guy on the boat comes inside and is lighting up the bong, and then Urban’s harsh “No!”, that is the goods right there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 05, 2021, 02:59:17 PM
Wait until Urban replaces Brian Kelly at Norte Dame
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 05, 2021, 03:09:26 PM
And Meyer's response makes him look like such a weirdo.  I'm not saying the video is great, but it affects his personal life a hell of a lot more than his coaching life.  Its a locker room of 21-30 year old dudes, they don't really care.

It doesn't even make him look like a weirdo, it makes him look like an absolute sociopath that he could manufacture such an absurd justification or explanation and think people would believe him.

Wait until Urban replaces Brian Kelly at Norte Dame

God I hope not.  I cant stand Meyer, think he's an all time scumbag, and think he's beyond detestable...but I also think he's a top 3-5 college coach of all time and ND is thought by some to be his dream job.  I don't need that program having their Saban.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 05, 2021, 03:15:45 PM
Brian Kelly is just a couple years older than Urban so I doubt that happens because I don't see Kelly going anywhere soon.

I'm not even sure Urban is touchable by USC right now. Assuming he doesn't survive in Jacksonville, I think he's going to have to rehabilitate his image for a couple of years and then land at a place that won't really care.  Think Texas if Sark flames out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 05, 2021, 07:48:02 PM
Cowboys release Jaylon Smith
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 05, 2021, 08:32:51 PM
Cowboys release Jaylon Smith
Had an injury guaranteed contract next year, so apparently Cowboys wanted to get out of that exposure .

Will be a good pickup for some team in need of defensive help
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 05, 2021, 08:44:22 PM
Cowboys release Jaylon Smith

One of the poster boys for not playing in meaningless bowl games.

Come on, Lions…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 05, 2021, 09:37:45 PM
One of the poster boys for not playing in meaningless bowl games.

What a horrible human being. He should be shot.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 05, 2021, 10:31:36 PM
Had an injury guaranteed contract next year, so apparently Cowboys wanted to get out of that exposure .

Will be a good pickup for some team in need of defensive help

I never understood why the Cowboys tripped over themselves to extend him early.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 05, 2021, 11:16:47 PM
What a horrible human being. He should be shot.

Not very woke of you to say that, especially considering that devastating injury during the Fiesta Bowl that cost him millions. Jake Butt is another, as is D’Eric King.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 06, 2021, 06:24:42 AM
Not very woke of you to say that, especially considering that devastating injury during the Fiesta Bowl that cost him millions. Jake Butt is another, as is D’Eric King.

Billy, I misinterpreted your previous post. I apologize for my snarky response.

I believe we actually agree on this issue, though that doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on October 06, 2021, 07:06:28 AM
Not very woke of you to say that, especially considering that devastating injury during the Fiesta Bowl that cost him millions. Jake Butt is another, as is D’Eric King.
Not really, or at least not nearly as much as you seem to be implying. Smith recovered well enough to have a very, very good season, which caused Jerry to jump the gun and give him a pretty huge guaranteed contract.

If you've watched him play, his issues don't appear to be physical. In pursuit, he can still run down running backs with ease. He is fast and explosive. His problem is that he is seemingly always out of position.  Wrong lane, wrong angle, poor tackling, poor instincts. None of those are due to his previous injury.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2021, 07:19:54 AM
Not really, or at least not nearly as much as you seem to be implying. Smith recovered well enough to have a very, very good season, which caused Jerry to jump the gun and give him a pretty huge guaranteed contract.

If you've watched him play, his issues don't appear to be physical. In pursuit, he can still run down running backs with ease. He is fast and explosive. His problem is that he is seemingly always out of position.  Wrong lane, wrong angle, poor tackling, poor instincts. None of those are due to his previous injury.

However, it did cost Jake Butt
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 06, 2021, 07:30:43 AM
Pats release Stephon Gilmore.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 06, 2021, 07:52:00 AM
Pats release Stephon Gilmore.
Maybe Brady can work some of his GM Magic and recruit him to the Bucs
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 06, 2021, 08:20:15 AM
Pats release Stephon Gilmore.

If he can still play, we could use him on the Panthers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 06, 2021, 09:05:58 AM
If he can still play, we could use him on the Panthers.
The Packers could as well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2021, 09:13:12 AM
The Packers could as well.

If he wants a ring, GB will be low on his list
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 06, 2021, 10:18:55 AM
The Athletic listed the Bucs, Chiefs, Panthers and Chargers as possible destinations for Gilmore but it sounded more like educated guess than insider knowledge.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 06, 2021, 10:21:09 AM
The Athletic listed the Bucs, Chiefs, Panthers and Chargers as possible destinations for Gilmore but it sounded more like educated guess than insider knowledge.

Josina Anderson says Gilmore is looking for $15 million.
Not a lot of teams have that kind of cap space in October.

Edit: According to Over the Cap, four teams have more than $15 million in cap space currently: Jacksonville, Philly, Denver and Carolina.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 06, 2021, 10:21:35 AM
The Athletic always seems to want to be first out the door with things like this instead of waiting to see what insiders say.  I think within 24 hours of Clay Helton's firing, they had a list of potential USC coaches that you or I could have drawn up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BrewCity83 on October 06, 2021, 10:32:25 AM
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2021/10/6/22712366/cheese-curds-10-6-packers-expected-to-call-stephon-gilmore-with-alexander-hurt

GB has about $8MM of cap room this year for in-season signings...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 06, 2021, 10:33:02 AM
Josina Anderson says Gilmore is looking for $15 million.
Not a lot of teams have that kind of cap space in October.

If that’s the case I don’t want the Panthers to sign him.

We have two good young CBs, including one who needs to get paid after this season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 06, 2021, 10:58:44 AM
Josina Anderson says Gilmore is looking for $15 million.
Not a lot of teams have that kind of cap space in October.

Edit: According to Over the Cap, four teams have more than $15 million in cap space currently: Jacksonville, Philly, Denver and Carolina.

The $15 mil would be prorated down to $12 for the balance of the season.

Guessing he’d sign a multi year deal with voidable years tacked on the back end. Probably winds up taking around the veteran minimum in salary with $10-$12 mil signing bonus. That would reduce his 2021 cap hit, and open up his market to get a higher guaranteed pay day (off the signing bonus), and let a team worry about the future cap hits down the road.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 06, 2021, 12:34:45 PM
If that’s the case I don’t want the Panthers to sign him.

We have two good young CBs, including one who needs to get paid after this season.

Well, you got him anyhow.
Traded a 6th round pick for him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 06, 2021, 01:06:03 PM
Well, you got him anyhow.
Traded a 6th round pick for him.

That's cool as long as the team doesn't make a multi-year, huge-money commitment to a 31-year-old at a speed position. The Panthers' owner is the richest guy in the NFL, they had cap space, and they had a need because their 1st-round draft pick who was playing outstanding football got hurt and might be done for the season.

Gilmore is on the injured list and can't play until Week 7 ... but the Panthers must have had assurances that he'll be 100% after that, and I assume they already have talked to his agent to make sure he'd be willing to come here and play. He's from a Charlotte suburb and still has family here.

As a Panthers fan, I am pleased that they obviously believe they can win this year. They are going for it, and that's always nice to see when you're a fan of a team.

And it was worth a 6th-round draft pick to keep the Bucs from getting him.

My only reluctance is with the way the $$ will shake out, especially because they have a very good 5th-year CB (Donte Jackson) who needs to get paid after this season, so we'll see.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2021, 01:21:29 PM
Packers fans went from loving him to saying he wasn’t any good at warp speed today
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BrewCity83 on October 06, 2021, 02:36:05 PM
Packers fans went from loving him to saying he wasn’t any good at warp speed today
Remember, there's a lot of overlap between BADger fans and Packer fans in this state.

Gutekunst cooled on him

He's not smart enough for the Packers system

He's too old

Blah Blah Blah
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 06, 2021, 04:48:24 PM
Sounds like it's Green Bay for Jaylon Smith.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 06, 2021, 05:24:55 PM
Sounds like it's Green Bay for Jaylon Smith.

I wonder if the familiarity with LaFleur will help, as Smith has not been great this year. He’s not terrible by any means, just really slow, especially this season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 06, 2021, 05:45:51 PM
No thanks on Smith, but guess we'll see what the figures are. Gilmore made an awful lot of sense
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 06, 2021, 06:25:27 PM
Sounds like it's Green Bay for Jaylon Smith.

This move is all about Za'Darius' back problems. My guess is that he is out for an extended period.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 07, 2021, 08:43:36 AM
Scott Fitterer, the Panthers' first-year GM, lives in the same suburban Charlotte neighborhood as the newest Panther, Stephon Gilmore. In fact, they live 3 houses away from each other.

When asked at yesterday's press conference if he also had any neighbors who were left tackles, Fitterer said: “During Halloween, I’ll go knock on doors.”
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on October 07, 2021, 08:44:43 AM
Scott Fitterer, the Panthers' first-year GM, lives in the same suburban Charlotte neighborhood as the newest Panther, Stephon Gilmore. In fact, they live 3 houses away from each other.

Who cares?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on October 07, 2021, 09:14:31 AM
This move is all about Za'Darius' back problems. My guess is that he is out for an extended period.

He had surgery. There's been a lot of chatter that he's done for the year and likely to be released as a cap casualty.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 08, 2021, 10:20:27 PM
Will Gruden be canned?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 08, 2021, 10:33:26 PM
Will Gruden be canned?
Yes, if he has a losing season . 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 10, 2021, 09:36:25 AM
Yes, if he has a losing season .

Eh, even if he has a losing season he will be around for a little while longer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 10, 2021, 09:51:54 AM
I dunno about that.  People have been fired for similar things and even though it was a decade ago his explanation didn't do him any favors. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 10, 2021, 10:03:57 AM
I dunno about that.  People have been fired for similar things and even though it was a decade ago his explanation didn't do him any favors. 

You are right but unless it is causing issues in the locker room, it seems things are dying down. And the owner loves the guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 10, 2021, 10:31:06 AM
 Some good memories of Favre in the early days versus Bengals

https://twitter.com/packers/status/1447205675684270082?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 10, 2021, 10:44:00 AM
Some good memories of Favre in the early days versus Bengals

https://twitter.com/packers/status/1447205675684270082?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

I was at County Stadium that day since the Brewers were in contention in the AL East. Part of the crowd weirdly erupted in the middle of the game, and when I figured out that it was those with radio headsets doing the cheering, I figured out what it meant.

In between innings they showed the replay on that old black and white video board.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 10, 2021, 10:58:05 AM
You are right but unless it is causing issues in the locker room, it seems things are dying down. And the owner loves the guy.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 10, 2021, 01:05:45 PM
3 bad special teams plays already.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 10, 2021, 01:35:57 PM
3 bad special teams plays already.



Ur such a negative Nancy, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 10, 2021, 01:44:26 PM


Ur such a negative Nancy, hey?

Unlike you, I am here win or lose.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 10, 2021, 02:37:47 PM
Inability to score TDs, missed XP, junk TD at end of half = tie game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 10, 2021, 02:45:05 PM
Inability to score TDs, missed XP, junk TD at end of half = tie game.

Good lord.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 10, 2021, 02:59:14 PM
Good lord.

Good lord part 2
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 10, 2021, 03:02:48 PM
Will Gruden be canned?

If he is for this then as a society we are truly done.

But then again, look at the reactions to Dave Chappell.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 10, 2021, 03:08:04 PM
Good lord part 2

Just in case anyone wonders why I rag on STs every week,…..
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 10, 2021, 03:08:11 PM
Unlike you, I am here win or lose.



How ewe feelin' now, kin, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 10, 2021, 03:13:07 PM
Panthers literally gave away what should have been a sure win.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lostpassword on October 10, 2021, 03:13:25 PM
Good lord part 2

This has be be unprecedented at this point.  5 misses under 2:10 in Q4?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 10, 2021, 03:14:20 PM
I’m here cheering on my team. You’re just here when something bad happens.

But as Goose said, you’re a great fan.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 10, 2021, 03:15:32 PM
Panthers literally gave away what should have been a sure win.

Who are the Panthers?   8-)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 10, 2021, 03:16:50 PM
Who are the Panthers?   8-)

Fair question.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 10, 2021, 03:23:31 PM
Go for it or kick?  I hate to say it, but kick.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 10, 2021, 03:25:02 PM
R-E-L-A-X
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 10, 2021, 03:25:13 PM
Piece of cake!!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 10, 2021, 03:26:07 PM
Good four da Pack. Day snatched victory from da jaws of dafeet, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 10, 2021, 03:29:34 PM
Never a doubt. Good for Crosby. Packers are going to need him if we aren’t cashing in from the red zone.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on October 10, 2021, 03:34:26 PM
Packers should make Crosby fly commercial home and in the seat next to the toilet.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on October 10, 2021, 04:11:23 PM
I was at County Stadium that day since the Brewers were in contention in the AL East. Part of the crowd weirdly erupted in the middle of the game, and when I figured out that it was those with radio headsets doing the cheering, I figured out what it meant.

In between innings they showed the replay on that old black and white video board.

Was at that game in Green Bay!

Great time was had by All!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 10, 2021, 04:32:21 PM
Wow.  Da Bears up 14-3 at the half?  I'm stunned.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 10, 2021, 04:54:26 PM
If he is for this then as a society we are truly done.

But then again, look at the reactions to Dave Chappell.
If his team quits on him, he is done.   If the players want to keep him, he probably stays.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 10, 2021, 05:20:31 PM
The Beara jaf this game won.  Two asinine play calls back to back on both 2nd and 3rd and short.  Horrible.  Way, way, too conservative.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 10, 2021, 05:39:08 PM
WTF is Nagy complaining about?  Idiotic play by Edwards.  The Bears better not throw this game away.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 10, 2021, 06:01:50 PM
WTF is Nagy complaining about?  Idiotic play by Edwards.  The Bears better not throw this game away.

I think he was complaining about the retaliation.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 10, 2021, 06:03:15 PM
If his team quits on him, he is done.   If the players want to keep him, he probably stays.

If his team quits on him for something from over 10 years ago and that means more to them then the last three as their coach then they all deserve to be cut.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 10, 2021, 06:05:20 PM
I think he was complaining about the retaliation.

Who knows.  Bears are fortunate but two clutch throws by FIelds.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on October 10, 2021, 06:48:24 PM
Herbert is a superstar
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 10, 2021, 06:52:56 PM
Herbert is a superstar

He looked really good.  Lots of power for a relatively short guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 10, 2021, 07:14:29 PM
He looked really good.  Lots of power for a relatively short guy.

TIL 6’6 is “relatively short”
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 10, 2021, 07:44:21 PM
TIL 6’6 is “relatively short”

I thought he meant Hebert on the Bears.  :)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 10, 2021, 10:50:11 PM
This Chiefs team isn’t good.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on October 10, 2021, 11:11:29 PM
What an idiotic roughing the passer
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 11, 2021, 07:48:55 AM
This Chiefs team isn’t good.

But this Bills team is really good right now. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on October 11, 2021, 07:55:46 AM
Lot of season left for the Chiefs to get clicking.

But it’s definitely looking likely that the playoffs will not run through Arrowhead this year.

Which will make things tougher
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2021, 08:01:12 AM
Lot of season left for the Chiefs to get clicking.

But it’s definitely looking likely that the playoffs will not run through Arrowhead this year.

Which will make things tougher

The defense is bad.  Offense is still pretty good but guys are getting dinged up.  Should be able to pass Las Vegas and Denver but it’s LA’s division to lose
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 11, 2021, 09:07:23 AM
This Chiefs team isn’t good.

To me it highlights that essentially giving the MVP to a QB every year makes no sense. Mahomes is absurdly talented, best QB in the league, but without a stout defense and a top notch offensive line, they struggle.

The difference between an elite QB and an average QB often has more to do with the offensive line, and the WRs than the skill of the QB.

And without a defensive line that can pressure the opposing QB (along with DB's to give them time), an elite offensive team will still lose games.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 11, 2021, 09:27:17 AM
To me it highlights that essentially giving the MVP to a QB every year makes no sense. Mahomes is absurdly talented, best QB in the league, but without a stout defense and a top notch offensive line, they struggle.

The difference between an elite QB and an average QB often has more to do with the offensive line, and the WRs than the skill of the QB.

And without a defensive line that can pressure the opposing QB (along with DB's to give them time), an elite offensive team will still lose games.

Yep. QBs have an important and difficult job, and they get the praise and criticism. But I think most of us know an elite QB when we see him.

Sam Darnold had played well this season ... until Sunday. Then he looked like the QB the Jets dumped. Misfired often, had happy feet, missed open receivers on plays that would've been huge gains (including once for TD) on consecutive plays, either of which could have broken open the game.

Having said that, his OL sucked donkey dong most of the game, and there were several drops, including one by Robby Anderson on a 3rd-and-3 play near midfield that probably clinches the win. Anderson drops it, the Panthers get a punt blocked on the very next play, and a bad Eagles team goes in to win.

Anderson, who played with Darnold in NY and largely had been very supportive, could be seen screaming on the sideline after Darnold didn't see him on a deep route. If Anderson had done his effen job, though, the mood likely would have been better for the team. And the mood would have been better in the establishment where we watched the game, too!

So yes, QBs need support ... but the Panthers win that game had Darnold played even a little better than bad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 11, 2021, 09:37:51 AM
Honesty, I think it’s easier to quantify a QB’s impact. A Nose Tackle can anchor the best defense, but a lot of what they do doesn’t show up. A LB or DB has more opportunities with turnovers.

On the other side, a QB has his hands on the ball every play. A WR is unlikely to win MVP because all those stats are reliant on the QB. There are more committees and less focus on the run, so a RB has to put up a big season like Henry did last year to be considered.

It’s not necessarily fair, but the way it goes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 11, 2021, 09:43:01 AM
The difference between an elite QB and an average QB often has more to do with the offensive line, and the WRs than the skill of the QB.


I would say that the difference between a good QB and an average QB are those things.  But elite QBs are a step beyond that.

And to cheebs point, who else do you give the MVP to?  The OL is a unit of five guys.  A receiver has huge impact, but IMO a QB makes a receiver more than vice versa.  The quarterback is the single most important player on the field.  I guess you could give MVP to a stand out defensive player, but they are going to have to be pretty darn impactful to be better than a QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 11, 2021, 10:26:39 AM
Honesty, I think it’s easier to quantify a QB’s impact. A Nose Tackle can anchor the best defense, but a lot of what they do doesn’t show up. A LB or DB has more opportunities with turnovers.

On the other side, a QB has his hands on the ball every play. A WR is unlikely to win MVP because all those stats are reliant on the QB. There are more committees and less focus on the run, so a RB has to put up a big season like Henry did last year to be considered.

It’s not necessarily fair, but the way it goes.

Yep, it's like a pitcher or a goaltender.

That's why they all get the big bucks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 11, 2021, 10:27:52 AM
To me it highlights that essentially giving the MVP to a QB every year makes no sense. Mahomes is absurdly talented, best QB in the league, but without a stout defense and a top notch offensive line, they struggle.

The difference between an elite QB and an average QB often has more to do with the offensive line, and the WRs than the skill of the QB.

And without a defensive line that can pressure the opposing QB (along with DB's to give them time), an elite offensive team will still lose games.

Forgetful

QBs are by far the most important and valuable players on the field. Having one of the elite ones is like having an elite starting pitcher (Scherzer, deGrom, Cole, etc.) who starts EVERY game. IMHO even average NFL starters are their team’s MVPs most years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 11, 2021, 12:24:56 PM
This Chiefs team isn’t good.

Forgetful

QBs are by far the most important and valuable players on the field. Having one of the elite ones is like having an elite starting pitcher (Scherzer, deGrom, Cole, etc.) who starts EVERY game. IMHO even average NFL starters are their team’s MVPs most years.

I had the Chiefs penciled in as my Super Bowl favorite for this season. Primarily on the basis of Mahome's ability.

I guess I overestimated the quality of the rest of the lineup.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 11, 2021, 12:27:31 PM

The difference between an elite QB and an average QB often has more to do with the offensive line, and the WRs than the skill of the QB.


I strongly disagree. I do think the difference between an average QB and a very good QB may be the offensive line. Elite guys are different. That's why there are so few.

As an example, GB is 4-1. They also have the MOST inexperienced OL in the entire NFL. They have been starting 2 rookies and two 2nd year guys who never played along with a journeyman tackle. Rodgers is elite because he has elite skills - both as a player and a leader. It is not because of the offensive line.

It has affected the running game greatly. Rodgers was elite with 3 all-pro talents. He is still elite with ZERO all-pro talents.is still elite. Elite guys make plays with subpar OLs. Other QBs get beat up.

As for wide receivers? We saw what an elite QB does without an elite WR when Adams was out for 6 games the last couple years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 11, 2021, 07:25:02 PM
Prediction:  Chucky won't last long.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 11, 2021, 07:33:25 PM
Prediction:  Chucky won't last long.


Yep.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/sports/football/what-did-jon-gruden-say.html?smid=tw-nytsports&smtyp=cur

Basically the NFL is releasing these things until the Raiders fire him. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 11, 2021, 08:02:59 PM
He gone


@TomPelissero: Source: Jon Gruden just informed his staff that he plans to resign as #Raiders coach.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 11, 2021, 08:05:49 PM
He gone


@TomPelissero: Source: Jon Gruden just informed his staff that he plans to resign as #Raiders coach.

I thought 2 days tops... but wow.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 11, 2021, 08:15:59 PM
This is a good point.

https://twitter.com/shalisemyoung/status/1447721649709764609?s=21

I have zero sympathy for Gruden but it says a lot about the NFL - and none of it good - that Gruden’s emails are being leaked but the depth and breadth of Snyder’s knowledge and involvement in the toxic WFT workplace is being protected like the nuclear codes…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2021, 08:16:39 PM
I thought 2 days tops... but wow.

Not surprised.  The NFL would have leaked more to eventually force Las Vegas to do something.  Hunch is, this is the least offensive stuff and there is probably worse stuff but it won’t get leaked now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 11, 2021, 08:19:10 PM
This is a good point.

https://twitter.com/shalisemyoung/status/1447721649709764609?s=21

I have zero sympathy for Gruden but it says a lot about the NFL - and none of it good - that Gruden’s emails are being leaked but the depth and breadth of Snyder’s knowledge and involvement in the toxic WFT workplace is being protected like the nuclear codes…

I don’t understand that either.  Just speculating but my guess is, Snyder knows a lot about some other important owners.  I’d think the NFL would love to be rid of him giving the decades of failure under his watch
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 11, 2021, 08:31:08 PM
There's no doubt they have many more emails. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 11, 2021, 08:32:50 PM
There's no doubt they have many more emails.

What's interesting is that these are the ones the league chose to leak.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 11, 2021, 08:37:26 PM
I have no idea why this specific email but his explanation was bizarre to put it mildly.  It didn't help his cause.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 11, 2021, 08:40:37 PM
Yeah, it’s interesting that Gruden’s downfall is from the WFT investigation, meaning if this was the stuff released, I can’t imagine what wasn’t. That entire investigation process, not making the report public, a wrist slap to Dan Snyder…no bueno to the process.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 11, 2021, 08:43:29 PM
Yeah, it’s interesting that Gruden’s downfall is from the WFT investigation, meaning if this was the stuff released, I can’t imagine what wasn’t. That entire investigation process, not making the report public, a wrist slap to Dan Snyder…no bueno to the process.

Yes. And makes it look like the Gruden leaks were a personal vendetta. Not that I am sympathetic to Gruden here…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 11, 2021, 08:43:45 PM
Yeah, it’s interesting that Gruden’s downfall is from the WFT investigation, meaning if this was the stuff released, I can’t imagine what wasn’t. That entire investigation process, not making the report public, a wrist slap to Dan Snyder…no bueno to the process.

The NFL doesn't exactly have a stellar track record on a number of issues.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 11, 2021, 09:05:17 PM
Fair point:

@MichaelRyanRuiz: ESPN talking about how the Raiders organization handles Jon Gruden’s behavior while he was an ESPN employee is wild
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 11, 2021, 09:18:22 PM
Fair point:

@MichaelRyanRuiz: ESPN talking about how the Raiders organization handles Jon Gruden’s behavior while he was an ESPN employee is wild

This is spot on (I also love Mike Ryan).

ESPN has to be very happy there was no Manning Cast tonight, that would have been super awkward for all involved.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 11, 2021, 09:24:13 PM
I think he could have survived one racist comment from 10 years ago. Once it became obvious that the comment was part of a pattern of racism and misogyny, the writing was on the wall.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 11, 2021, 09:49:02 PM
How is Dan Snyder still clean?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 11, 2021, 10:11:58 PM
How is Dan Snyder still clean?

He’s rich and he’s arrogant.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 11, 2021, 11:12:36 PM
Eh, even if he has a losing season he will be around for a little while longer.

Aged like milk.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 11, 2021, 11:19:10 PM
I think he could have survived one racist comment from 10 years ago. Once it became obvious that the comment was part of a pattern of racism and misogyny, the writing was on the wall.

Yep yep.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 11, 2021, 11:21:31 PM
He’s rich and he’s arrogant.

Nah, Snyder is a terrible owner but a very clever and smart man, which is a terrible combination with someone who is a morally bankrupt and clearly very crapty person.  As more and more goes by, I’m convinced he has plenty of dirt on the NFL and other owners and he wields it as a shield and protective Trump card.

Jerry Richardson was rich and arrogant.  So was Donald Sterling
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 11, 2021, 11:28:23 PM
Nah, Snyder is a terrible owner but a very clever and smart man, which is a terrible combination with someone who is a morally bankrupt and clearly very crapty person.  As more and more goes by, I’m convinced he has plenty of dirt on the NFL and other owners and he wields it as a shield and protective Trump card.

Jerry Richardson was rich and arrogant.  So was Donald Sterling

I agree that he is clever and smart. But he gets away with this stuff because he is rich and arrogant. He does whatever he wants to do because he is rich. He doesn't care what anyone says or thinks. That is arrogance.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 11, 2021, 11:29:32 PM
Aged like milk.

In your defense, I think we only knew about the one comment when you said this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 12, 2021, 07:33:07 AM
Jerry Richardson was rich and arrogant.  So was Donald Sterling

The difference is that in neither of these cases you cite (nor Marge Schott, to throw in another dethroned owner), did their respective leagues have exclusive control of the evidence.
I think this is less about Dan Snyder being smart than it is NFL owners circling the wagons and protecting their own because "therego I."
It would be fun to watch Mark Davis and Jon Gruden to go scorched earth here - because this definitely was a hit job on Mark Davis and Jon Gruden - but my guess is their long-term interests will prevent that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 12, 2021, 07:36:39 AM
The difference is that in neither of these cases you cite (nor Marge Schott, to throw in another dethroned owner), did their respective leagues have exclusive control of the evidence.
I think this is less about Dan Snyder being smart than it is NFL owners circling the wagons and protecting their own because "therego I."
It would be fun to watch Mark Davis and Jon Gruden to go scorched earth here - because this definitely was a hit job on Mark Davis and Jon Gruden - but my guess is their long-term interests will prevent that.


Yeah it would be fun, but neither has anything to gain from that.  Gruden especially considering that he is untouchable by any network right now, so his only shot at making money in football is being a scout or some other behind the scenes front office guy.  (If he needs to make money...no idea if the Raiders even partially bought him out.)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 12, 2021, 07:45:53 AM
I can’t imagine Gruden is hurting for cash with what ESPN paid him.

How much control does the NFL have on the Super Bowl Halftime Show? I find it a bit ironic they have Eminem as one of the performers. Or is it all Pepsi?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 12, 2021, 07:51:06 AM

Yeah it would be fun, but neither has anything to gain from that.  Gruden especially considering that he is untouchable by any network right now, so his only shot at making money in football is being a scout or some other behind the scenes front office guy.  (If he needs to make money...no idea if the Raiders even partially bought him out.)

Calling my shot ...
Jon Gruden, consultant, University of Alabama.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 12, 2021, 09:45:28 AM
Yep.

https://slate.com/culture/2021/10/jon-gruden-racist-homophobic-emails-raiders-nfl-poster-boy.html

"The biggest problem with Gruden’s remarks, as the league should be concerned, is not that the ex-coach does not represent the NFL’s ideals. It should be that with every breath he draws, Gruden exhibits those ideals almost by default. Gruden is a more comprehensive encapsulation of an NFL poster-boy than almost anyone else on Earth. That a man in his position would crumble in this fashion says more about the league itself than Goodell could ever admit."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 12, 2021, 10:16:39 AM
Yep.

https://slate.com/culture/2021/10/jon-gruden-racist-homophobic-emails-raiders-nfl-poster-boy.html

"The biggest problem with Gruden’s remarks, as the league should be concerned, is not that the ex-coach does not represent the NFL’s ideals. It should be that with every breath he draws, Gruden exhibits those ideals almost by default. Gruden is a more comprehensive encapsulation of an NFL poster-boy than almost anyone else on Earth. That a man in his position would crumble in this fashion says more about the league itself than Goodell could ever admit."

It's not wrong, but it's not like this is an issue exclusive to the NFL, or even professional sports. You're going to find stuff like this in any setting, especially any male-dominated setting.
That's not to excuse the behavior, of course, but acting like this is an NFL culture problem, and not a male culture problem, isn't exactly accurate.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 12, 2021, 10:45:42 AM
I can’t imagine Gruden is hurting for cash with what ESPN paid him.

How much control does the NFL have on the Super Bowl Halftime Show? I find it a bit ironic they have Eminem as one of the performers. Or is it all Pepsi?

Eminem and Dr. Dre, who has a history of domestic abuse.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 12, 2021, 11:25:05 AM
Eminem and Dr. Dre, who has a history of domestic abuse.

The NFL gave up on punishing/focusing on domestic abuse years ago
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 12, 2021, 11:54:40 AM
The difference is that in neither of these cases you cite (nor Marge Schott, to throw in another dethroned owner), did their respective leagues have exclusive control of the evidence.
I think this is less about Dan Snyder being smart than it is NFL owners circling the wagons and protecting their own because "therego I."
It would be fun to watch Mark Davis and Jon Gruden to go scorched earth here - because this definitely was a hit job on Mark Davis and Jon Gruden - but my guess is their long-term interests will prevent that.

The other difference is that Gruden apparently aggressively went after Goddell in the emails and called him names.

Seems like this was all a bit of revenge. Gruden is taking a fall, because he called the man behind the curtain some bad words.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 12, 2021, 12:52:55 PM
The other difference is that Gruden apparently aggressively went after Goddell in the emails and called him names.

Seems like this was all a bit of revenge. Gruden is taking a fall, because he called the man behind the curtain some bad words.

Absolutely. You are spot on. The NFL was gonna get Gruden. The most interesting thing is that they have released no emails concerning any other executives.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 12, 2021, 04:06:32 PM
Yep.

https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1448028928640159745
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 12, 2021, 05:07:24 PM
Yep.

https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1448028928640159745

And the NFL will shrug and flip them the proverbial bird
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 13, 2021, 10:50:38 AM
Not a great look for Adam Schefter today.
Not that it's particularly surprising, either.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on October 13, 2021, 10:51:25 AM
Not a great look for Adam Schefter today.
Not that it's particularly surprising, either.

fun to watch the NFL leaking for maximum smoke screen to protect the real story in the Wash/Snyder investigation and everyone falling all over themselves to take the bait.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 13, 2021, 10:53:17 AM
fun to watch the NFL leaking for maximum smoke screen to protect the real story in the Wash/Snyder investigation and everyone falling all over themselves to take the bait.

Safe to say Schefter at some point said something that offended Roger (or Jerry, Robert, Stan, Dan, etc.).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on October 13, 2021, 10:56:57 AM
Safe to say Schefter at some point said something that offended Roger (or Jerry, Robert, Stan, Dan, etc.).

Maybe? He might also be a shiny object that makes for an easy PR win to those doing the leaking. Everyone understood he was part of the transactional NLF press "scoop" apparatus, and he'd become such an ever-present face of that apparatus, that this leak makes for a guaranteed freakout... which is exactly what happened. To the extent that the NFL's strategy here is to through chaff in the air and hope the missile misses the real target (and I think it is), they're executing well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 13, 2021, 11:00:05 AM
Not a great look for Adam Schefter today.
Not that it's particularly surprising, either.

My favorite part is Rovell entering the chat to show his ass for minimal gain as only he knows how.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 13, 2021, 11:04:09 AM
Safe to say Schefter at some point said something that offended Roger (or Jerry, Robert, Stan, Dan, etc.).
Maybe? He might also be a shiny object that makes for an easy PR win to those doing the leaking. Everyone understood he was part of the transactional NLF press "scoop" apparatus, and he'd become such an ever-present face of that apparatus, that this leak makes for a guaranteed freakout... which is exactly what happened. To the extent that the NFL's strategy here is to through chaff in the air and hope the missile misses the real target (and I think it is), they're executing well.

I'm guessing these are both correct.  My total guess is that some in the NFL secret society think that Schefter had gotten drunk on his own success and started to go rogue - i.e. no longer acting as a 100% mouthpiece for the shield.  Once that happened, like Gruden, throwing him under the bus was killing two birds with one stone - making an example of someone and distracting from the WFT investigation.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 13, 2021, 11:16:07 AM
My favorite part is Rovell entering the chat to show his ass for minimal gain as only he knows how.

A tradition unlike any other.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on October 13, 2021, 11:18:45 AM
I'm guessing these are both correct.  My total guess is that some in the NFL secret society think that Schefter had gotten drunk on his own success and started to go rogue - i.e. no longer acting as a 100% mouthpiece for the shield.  Once that happened, like Gruden, throwing him under the bus was killing two birds with one stone - making an example of someone and distracting from the WFT investigation.

This seems very plausible too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 13, 2021, 11:49:22 AM
It's how the sausage is made.  Schefter is more the mouthpiece of the league paid by ESPN for his exclusivity more than he is a "reporter" or "journalist."  99% of the people who watch ESPN for this type of insider information don't really care.  99% of the true journalists do care because it further de-legitimizes their profession and/or prevents them from getting access to such information.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 13, 2021, 12:02:25 PM
And the NFL will shrug and flip them the proverbial bird

I think it is way worse than that, Wags. This is about way more than Gruden. He was the sacrificial lamb (a guilty one) because Goddell has long wanted to be rid of him. The NFL still has 65,000 emails and it is naive of us to think Gruden was the only one who said anything like this. At the very least, they should show us the replies by Allen. Did he "LOL" back to Gruden? Did he laugh and play along on the racist and misogynist emails? Were other executives cc'ed on them? If so, then who? Did Allen pass along the naked pics of team cheerleaders and to whom?

Is the NFL keeping control of incriminating emails to use in the future against a coach or exec who doesn't bend to the League's will?

Then there is the issue of 'why now?' Is it all because the NFL wanted sympathy for Smith because they wanted him in control because they thought he was easier to work with; easier to 'roll'? Then, releasing the emails now took care of 2 problems at once. Getting rid of a nemesis and ensuring that Smith remained in charge of the union.

More than anything else, the NFL needs to answer a lot of questions. But as you posted, "And the NFL will shrug and flip them the proverbial bird".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 13, 2021, 12:27:05 PM
https://twitter.com/WorldofIsaac/status/1448269340441255938?t=arq92mfYKVAIfxsGOrD8Pg&s=19
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on October 13, 2021, 01:04:30 PM
So, what is the appropriate way for Urban Meyer to respond to the Gruden situation? Does he need to send Gruden a gift? Or will a thank you card suffice?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 13, 2021, 01:45:25 PM
It's how the sausage is made.  Schefter is more the mouthpiece of the league paid by ESPN for his exclusivity more than he is a "reporter" or "journalist."  99% of the people who watch ESPN for this type of insider information don't really care.  99% of the true journalists do care because it further de-legitimizes their profession and/or prevents them from getting access to such information.
I have been on both sides of the content side of media industry . I had to create  content on a daily basis ; I also provided access to media of potential content. Many times we wrote the first draft of the story for the media. There is a symbiotic relationship between the two parties. If you carefully look at many “stories” they are basically restatements of the press releases with some transition language.


This co-dependency exists because Media needs to come up with content every day. Almost everything in the “News” is manufactured by this collaboration. This is necessary because of the 24/7/365 nature of the new cycle

I have also been on the advertising side of the business. There used to be what was called a separation of church and state . That being advertisers could not influence content. Those barriers have pretty much fallen. This started with the advertorials that were created as inserts to major magazines and just steamrolled from there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 13, 2021, 02:04:16 PM
This co-dependency exists because Media needs to come up with content every day. Almost everything in the “News” is manufactured by this collaboration. This is necessary because of the 24/7/365 nature of the new cycle

I have also been on the advertising side of the business. There used to be what was called a separation of church and state . That being advertisers could not influence content. Those barriers have pretty much fallen. This started with the advertorials that were created as inserts to major magazines and just steamrolled from there.

Having spent many years working for a new organization, I can say that much of what your write here is entirely foreign to me.
In my experience, advertisers almost never influence content, and when they do, it's indirectly, such as when an in-house ad rep tells the editorial side about a new business opening in town.
In my experience, PR firms never write first drafts of stories.
In my experience, reporters and editors do not "collaborate" with PR firms over stories, beyond getting access to information and setting up interviews with sources.
And just for good measure, no news organization I've worked for has ever (to my knowledge) allowed a source to review and edit a story before publication.

The only thing you write here that has some semblance of familiarity is that re-worked press releases can make it to publication, but that's typically via government sources (i.e. police, cities, school districts), not PR firms and advertisers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on October 13, 2021, 02:20:45 PM
My wife has been quoted for various trade publications and general mainstream periodicals.  She usually finds out what she "said" when the PR firm sends the final version to her for her approval and/or clarification.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on October 13, 2021, 03:11:55 PM
Having spent many years working for a new organization, I can say that much of what your write here is entirely foreign to me.
In my experience, advertisers almost never influence content, and when they do, it's indirectly, such as when an in-house ad rep tells the editorial side about a new business opening in town.
In my experience, PR firms never write first drafts of stories.
In my experience, reporters and editors do not "collaborate" with PR firms over stories, beyond getting access to information and setting up interviews with sources.
And just for good measure, no news organization I've worked for has ever (to my knowledge) allowed a source to review and edit a story before publication.

The only thing you write here that has some semblance of familiarity is that re-worked press releases can make it to publication, but that's typically via government sources (i.e. police, cities, school districts), not PR firms and advertisers.

I guess it depends on what news outlets we're talking about. When I was at a B2B marketing firm in their PR department we straight up wrote the byline stories we pitched to trade publications. We wrote the pull quotes for the executive teams. We wrote the pitches that would place the articles that we wrote in those trades. I can imagine that NEVER happening at a "traditional news" organization like the AP/NYT/etc.

Either way, I think it's a bit silly to compare either college intern me writing a byline for a PE firm or Woodward and Bernstein writing for the Post to how the NFL gets covered by ESPN.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 13, 2021, 03:14:34 PM
I guess it depends on what news outlets we're talking about. When I was at a B2B marketing firm in their PR department we straight up wrote the byline stories we pitched to trade publications. We wrote the pull quotes for the executive teams. We wrote the pitches that would place the articles that we wrote in those trades. I can imagine that NEVER happening at a "traditional news" organization like the AP/NYT/etc.

Either way, I think it's a bit silly to compare either college intern me writing a byline for a PE firm or Woodward and Bernstein writing for the Post to how the NFL gets covered by ESPN.

Sure, I can speak to only my experience, which was at what would be considered a traditional news organization, not a trade publication.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on October 13, 2021, 03:47:26 PM
5 year legal case of Stl vs Kroenke/NFL.

Kroenke plus the 5 person relocation committee at the time were required to turn over financials/assets. Only 2 of the 6 did so by the deadline.

Mara, Hunt, Jones, Kraft now have a December 3rd deadline to turn over their financials prior to that time. There is a December 3rd hearing scheduled for contempt of court and a default judgement ruled if they don’t. The owners were ordered to pay delay fines and legal fees. ($25k for fines and $25k legal fees)

Richardson and Kroenke turned over their financial documents.

Kroenke turned over 23,000 financial documents showing his assets.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 13, 2021, 05:14:09 PM
5 year legal case of Stl vs Kroenke/NFL.

Kroenke plus the 5 person relocation committee at the time were required to turn over financials/assets. Only 2 of the 6 did so by the deadline.

Mara, Hunt, Jones, Kraft now have a December 3rd deadline to turn over their financials prior to that time. There is a December 3rd hearing scheduled for contempt of court and a default judgement ruled if they don’t. The owners were ordered to pay delay fines and legal fees. ($25k for fines and $25k legal fees)

Richardson and Kroenke turned over their financial documents.

Kroenke turned over 23,000 financial documents showing his assets.

These people think they are above the law.

They probably are. Court orders meaningless. Subpoenas are something to be laughed at.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 13, 2021, 05:17:08 PM
These people think they are above the law.

They probably are. Court orders meaningless. Subpoenas are something to be laughed at.

Its a civil suit, not a criminal proceeding, 90% of the time it doesn't matter who was right or wrong, just who has better lawyers and who is willing to drag it out longer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2021, 05:24:33 PM
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1448412252713914374?s=21

Who knew Brent was such a bad person and lover of government cheese?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 13, 2021, 05:49:17 PM
https://twitter.com/journalsentinel/status/1448412252713914374?s=21

Who knew Brent was such a bad person and lover of government cheese?

Um...., everyone?

(Yes, I know your last statement was sarcasm.)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 13, 2021, 05:50:05 PM
Its a civil suit, not a criminal proceeding, 90% of the time it doesn't matter who was right or wrong, just who has better lawyers and who is willing to drag it out longer.

Yup, its a document dump.  Expect the others to do the same.  They're forcing their opposition to sort through needles in a haystack.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 13, 2021, 05:50:42 PM
Its a civil suit, not a criminal proceeding, 90% of the time it doesn't matter who was right or wrong, just who has better lawyers and who is willing to drag it out longer.

Whether it is criminal or civil, my point still stands. Rich, powerful people are not compelled to obey the law.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 13, 2021, 06:44:14 PM
Well, then, there sure are a buncha rich, powerful folks drivin' like total ass holes thru MKE, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: rocket surgeon on October 13, 2021, 09:14:18 PM
given the setting of the bar in the nfl now, i'm really confident they will be reviewing their super bowl half time show entertainers, the lyrics of their songs dating back to...?? and of course don't forget about their emails ;)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on October 13, 2021, 09:38:30 PM
Well, then, there sure are a buncha rich, powerful folks drivin' like total ass holes thru MKE, aina?

bravo, doc.  bravo.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on October 14, 2021, 07:49:04 AM
With regards to the St. Louis vs Kroenke/NFL case…

The remaining owners will turn over their financial documents by the December 3rd deadline to avoid being held in contempt of court, and avoid a possible multi billion dollar default judgement. And, if they don’t, each of them would have to appear before the court either in person or not. (That part isn’t clear yet).

Despite the league dangling new team rumors to try to enfourage the Stl side to settle, there has been zero settlement discussions as of today. That’s always subject to change. As of today there is a January trial, already pushed back from October due to the pandemic. And Stl will seek billions of dollars.

As of today, the league doesn’t care in any way about the upcoming embarrassment in court. (Some of the things the prosecution has are very damaging for the league) That may be surprising to some who assume the league wants to avoid embarrassment. So far, they don’t care about that part. The current league strategy is do nothing, lose big, and try to win on appeal.

Unlike other situations, the league can’t control the process with money and power.

Another day, another national outlet has finally found the 5 year old law suit:

https://sports.yahoo.com/leaked-jon-gruden-emails-showcase-pr-danger-for-the-nfl-in-its-potential-billion-dollar-st-louis-lawsuit-042424275.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 14, 2021, 08:30:24 AM
The reason that the NFL doesn't care about getting embarrassed in court, is that by and large no one outside of St. Louis is going to care.  The NFL knows that no one will stop watching because of this trial.  Just like no one will stop watching because of Jon Gruden. 

You are right about their legal strategy except they will keep dangling settlement offers with the thought that eventually it will be too sweet for the city to pass up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on October 14, 2021, 08:48:46 AM
The reason that the NFL doesn't care about getting embarrassed in court, is that by and large no one outside of St. Louis is going to care.  The NFL knows that no one will stop watching because of this trial.  Just like no one will stop watching because of Jon Gruden. 

You are right about their legal strategy except they will keep dangling settlement offers with the thought that eventually it will be too sweet for the city to pass up.

Plenty of other cities will care. I’m sure Buffalo is watching closely and so on. Caring and not watching football aren’t necessarily the same thing.

St. Louis is currently in better position with the case. It isn’t going to accept anything without a B in front of it. They’d rather take their chances in court. The NFL has shown no direct interest in settling, other than dangling rumors. That again can change between now and January.

For people who enjoy those types of things airing in court, they will have fun with it. Because, it will get ugly if it goes to January trial. Some of the things they have are bad. But at this time, the NFL owners care more about its financials being revealed, than their dirty laundry. That would be a default judgement against them without revealing their financials, and hoping to be more successful with appeal. 



Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on October 14, 2021, 09:53:14 AM
Plenty of other cities will care. I’m sure Buffalo is watching closely and so on. Caring and not watching football aren’t necessarily the same thing.

St. Louis is currently in better position with the case. It isn’t going to accept anything without a B in front of it. They’d rather take their chances in court. The NFL has shown no direct interest in settling, other than dangling rumors. That again can change between now and January.

For people who enjoy those types of things airing in court, they will have fun with it. Because, it will get ugly if it goes to January trial. Some of the things they have are bad. But at this time, the NFL owners care more about its financials being revealed, than their dirty laundry. That would be a default judgement against them without revealing their financials, and hoping to be more successful with appeal.

what does this even mean?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on October 14, 2021, 09:53:50 AM
With regards to the St. Louis vs Kroenke/NFL case…

The remaining owners will turn over their financial documents by the December 3rd deadline to avoid being held in contempt of court, and avoid a possible multi billion dollar default judgement. And, if they don’t, each of them would have to appear before the court either in person or not. (That part isn’t clear yet).

Despite the league dangling new team rumors to try to enfourage the Stl side to settle, there has been zero settlement discussions as of today. That’s always subject to change. As of today there is a January trial, already pushed back from October due to the pandemic. And Stl will seek billions of dollars.

As of today, the league doesn’t care in any way about the upcoming embarrassment in court. (Some of the things the prosecution has are very damaging for the league) That may be surprising to some who assume the league wants to avoid embarrassment. So far, they don’t care about that part. The current league strategy is do nothing, lose big, and try to win on appeal.

Unlike other situations, the league can’t control the process with money and power.

Another day, another national outlet has finally found the 5 year old law suit:

https://sports.yahoo.com/leaked-jon-gruden-emails-showcase-pr-danger-for-the-nfl-in-its-potential-billion-dollar-st-louis-lawsuit-042424275.html

There is no prosecution in this case. It's not criminal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on October 14, 2021, 09:57:23 AM
There is no prosecution in this case. It's not criminal.

Let him go, he's on a roll.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on October 14, 2021, 09:59:48 AM
Let him go, he's on a roll.

True dat. I forgot one of the cardinal rules: Never get in the way of shoothoops when he's got posting momentum. I'm gonna be looking at 2k words arguing about the semantics and etymology of the word "prosecution."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on October 14, 2021, 10:15:04 AM
There is no prosecution in this case. It's not criminal.

Typo, obviously. Plaintiffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 14, 2021, 10:23:26 AM
Plenty of other cities will care. I’m sure Buffalo is watching closely and so on. Caring and not watching football aren’t necessarily the same thing.

St. Louis is currently in better position with the case. It isn’t going to accept anything without a B in front of it.

St. Louis is living in a fantasy world if they think they're getting anything close to a B out of this. By what basis could they claim their losses are anything close to that?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on October 14, 2021, 10:29:44 AM
Let him go, he's on a roll.

It’s cute how (and a few others) you follow me around trolling post to post, thread to thread, even start new threads of blue haired disinformation.

15 years is a long time, longer than most have been here.

This is the NFL thread. So I’m happy to discuss that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 14, 2021, 10:30:13 AM
St. Louis is living in a fantasy world if they think they're getting anything close to a B out of this. By what basis could they claim their losses are anything close to that?

I agree they won't get that kind of money.  However from a legal theatre standpoint, I think it would be awesome to see all of the promises owners make about the public benefits of sports teams when they are trying to get public money for stadiums exhibited at trial and St Louis's counsel saying "We calculated our damages based on what owners have been telling us the benefits are of having a team."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on October 14, 2021, 10:33:26 AM
St. Louis is living in a fantasy world if they think they're getting anything close to a B out of this. By what basis could they claim their losses are anything close to that?

Lost revenue, relocation fee, team valuation increase, punitive damages, etc…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on October 14, 2021, 10:51:20 AM
It’s cute how (and a few others) you follow me around trolling post to post, thread to thread, even start new threads of blue haired disinformation.

15 years is a long time, longer than most have been here.

This is the NFL thread. So I’m happy to discuss that.

I stand by that list.  Not sure what it has to do with your St Louis ramblings, but thanks for the smile.

Why you shoothoops-a-looping?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 14, 2021, 11:19:57 AM
Lost revenue, relocation fee, team valuation increase, punitive damages, etc…

Lost revenue?
Stadium deals typically end up being losers for municipalities. Even if St. Louis could somehow prove they would be the exception to the rule, their gain wouldn't be anywhere near 10 figures.

Relocation fee?
You'll have to show me what fee St. Louis paid.

Team valuation increase?
Why would St. Louis benefit from the increased valuation of a private business, and now be owed a portion of that?

Punitive damages? 

Sure, they can argue for that. Ask the USFL - which had a much stronger case, btw - how that turned out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on October 14, 2021, 12:08:18 PM
Lost revenue?
Stadium deals typically end up being losers for municipalities. Even if St. Louis could somehow prove they would be the exception to the rule, their gain wouldn't be anywhere near 10 figures.

Relocation fee?
You'll have to show me what fee St. Louis paid.

Team valuation increase?
Why would St. Louis benefit from the increased valuation of a private business, and now be owed a portion of that?

Punitive damages? 

Sure, they can argue for that. Ask the USFL - which had a much stronger case, btw - how that turned out.

Like I said, I am merely presenting what I know. Is it a multi billion dollar case? Yes, And that’s been pretty universally agreed upon. It doesn’t mean they will get billions or a new team or a penny. That remains to be seen.

So when I present the information, it isn’t my opinion that I am presenting.

For the sake of brevity here, this thread here can help you.

https://twitter.com/wallachlegal/status/1438872704984223744?s=21

Hotel, property tax, sales tax, ticket tax. etc…is 9 figures.

Relocation fee is also 9 figures, $550 Million.

Team Valuation increase from $1.45 Billion to $4.8 Billion.

Punitive damages.


Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 14, 2021, 12:30:48 PM
Like I said, I am merely presenting what I know. Is it a multi billion dollar case? Yes, And that’s been pretty universally agreed upon. It doesn’t mean they will get billions or a new team or a penny. That remains to be seen.

So when I present the information, it isn’t my opinion that I am presenting.

For the sake of brevity here, this thread here can help you.

https://twitter.com/wallachlegal/status/1438872704984223744?s=21

Hotel, property tax, sales tax, ticket tax. etc…is 9 figures.

Relocation fee is also 9 figures, $550 Million.

Team Valuation increase from $1.45 Billion to $4.8 Billion.

Punitive damages.

That tweet is ridiculous.
There's no way St. Louis can make a claim that they're owed the relocation fee the NFL received from the Rams franchise for allowing a move to LA. That's not how legal damages work. You get damages on what you lose. The city didn't lose a relocation fee.
Same for the valuation increase. The city didn't lose anything by the Rams becoming more valuable, nor did they stand to gain anything had the team's value gained value by remaining in St. Louis.

As for the taxes ... those are all gross revenues not weighed against the city's costs of building a stadium. And, as well all know, those costs almost always outpace the gains.
Again, you can only recover your actual and potential losses. St. Louis can't go to court and claim they're owed millions in potential tax revenue without weighing that against the tax money they'd have spent happily to keep the Rams in town.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on October 14, 2021, 12:39:48 PM
They can claim it, but that's mostly just negotiation posturing.

I'm not very familiar with that attorney, but perusing his website it appears that he dedicates a decent amount of his practice not to actual litigation but rather to media analysis. He is no doubt very observant that intelligent lawyering does not get you booked on cable news segments, providing confirmation bias and clickbait fuel does. I would take his twitter analyses of this case with a fair bit of salt.

Also, of note, he bills himself as a sports gaming (as in gambling) specialist. This case is, somewhat notably, not about gambling. He's probably only vaguely better equipped to armchair analyze the damage claims in this case than I am.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on October 14, 2021, 01:08:39 PM
That tweet is ridiculous.
There's no way St. Louis can make a claim that they're owed the relocation fee the NFL received from the Rams franchise for allowing a move to LA. That's not how legal damages work. You get damages on what you lose. The city didn't lose a relocation fee.
Same for the valuation increase. The city didn't lose anything by the Rams becoming more valuable, nor did they stand to gain anything had the team's value gained value by remaining in St. Louis.

As for the taxes ... those are all gross revenues not weighed against the city's costs of building a stadium. And, as well all know, those costs almost always outpace the gains.
Again, you can only recover your actual and potential losses. St. Louis can't go to court and claim they're owed millions in potential tax revenue without weighing that against the tax money they'd have spent happily to keep the Rams in town.

This is far from the only person saying it, and covering it. The case has been ongoing for 5 years.

Here is NFL friendly Andrew Brandt:

https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2021/10/13/business-of-football-understanding-st-lous-rams-lawsuit?__twitter_impression=true

Several people on this panel have covered the case for several years:

https://twitter.com/SportsLawLust/status/1448307933075410956?t=qb5poPLLMNKgARsQxU1pbQ&s=19
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 14, 2021, 01:28:39 PM
This is far from the only person saying it, and covering it. The case has been ongoing for 5 years.

Here is NFL friendly Andrew Brandt:

https://www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2021/10/13/business-of-football-understanding-st-lous-rams-lawsuit?__twitter_impression=true


OK.  That article was pretty well balanced sharing both sides point of view.  Hardly counteracts what Pakuni said.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 14, 2021, 01:30:12 PM
This is far from the only person saying it, and covering it. The case has been ongoing for 5 years.

Shoot ... I'm not arguing that St. Louis won't ask for billions. They can ask for as much as they want, and plaintiffs always ask for the moon.
What I'm suggesting is that what they're seeking and what's realistic are not the same. Even if they get a friendly jury to play along, I would not expect appellate courts to uphold that kind of a finding.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on October 14, 2021, 01:39:12 PM
Shoot ... I'm not arguing that St. Louis won't ask for billions. They can ask for as much as they want, and plaintiffs always ask for the moon.
What I'm suggesting is that what they're seeking and what's realistic are not the same. Even if they get a friendly jury to play along, I would not expect appellate courts to uphold that kind of a finding.

Like I said, I just present what I know. I know that St. Louis at this time, has won just about every legal decisiom in the case for 5 years. And, they aren’t at this time, going to settle for anything with less than a B in front of it. They like their case, and their chances. It’s silly to assume that a jury would be impartial. That of course is something the league will argue if/when they lose the case.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on October 14, 2021, 03:56:25 PM
Bear week often brings this reminder up in Jsonline. Fields playing Sunday will be the 35th QB da Bears have trotted out since Favre started in 1992:
Jim Harbaugh (1990-1993)
 Peter Tom Willis (1992-93)
 Will Furrer (1992)
 Steve Walsh (1994)
 Erik Kramer (1994-1998)
 Dave Krieg (1996)
 Rick Mirer (1997)
 Steve Stenstrom (1998)
 Moses Moreno (1998)
 Shane Matthews (1999-2001)
 Cade McNown (1999-2000)
 Jim Miller (1999-2002)
 Chris Chandler (2002-03)
 Henry Burris (2002)
 Kordell Stewart (2003)
 Rex Grossman (2003-2008)
 Craig Krenzel (2004)
 Chad Hutchinson (2004)
 Jonathan Quinn (2004)
 Kyle Orton (2005-2008)
 Brian Griese (2006-07)
 Jay Cutler (2009-2016) Record vs. Packers (including playoffs): 2-10 (http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/images/smilies/pointlaugh.gif)
 Todd Collins (2010)
 Caleb Hanie (2009-11)
 Josh McCown (2011-2013)
 Jason Campbell (2012)
 Jimmy Clausen (2014-15)
 Matt Barkley (2016)
 Brian Hoyer (2016)
 Mitchell Trubisky (2017-20)
 Mike Glennon (2017)
 Chase Daniel (2018-19)
 Nick Foles (2020)
 Andy Dalton (2021)
 Justin Fields (2021)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 14, 2021, 04:01:06 PM
Bear week often brings this reminder up in Jsonline. Fields playing Sunday will be the 35th QB da Bears have trotted out since Favre started in 1992:
Jim Harbaugh (1990-1993)
 Peter Tom Willis (1992-93)
 Will Furrer (1992)
 Steve Walsh (1994)
 Erik Kramer (1994-1998)
 Dave Krieg (1996)
 Rick Mirer (1997)
 Steve Stenstrom (1998)
 Moses Moreno (1998)
 Shane Matthews (1999-2001)
 Cade McNown (1999-2000)
 Jim Miller (1999-2002)
 Chris Chandler (2002-03)
 Henry Burris (2002)
 Kordell Stewart (2003)
 Rex Grossman (2003-2008)
 Craig Krenzel (2004)
 Chad Hutchinson (2004)
 Jonathan Quinn (2004)
 Kyle Orton (2005-2008)
 Brian Griese (2006-07)
 Jay Cutler (2009-2016) Record vs. Packers (including playoffs): 2-10 (http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/images/smilies/pointlaugh.gif)
 Todd Collins (2010)
 Caleb Hanie (2009-11)
 Josh McCown (2011-2013)
 Jason Campbell (2012)
 Jimmy Clausen (2014-15)
 Matt Barkley (2016)
 Brian Hoyer (2016)
 Mitchell Trubisky (2017-20)
 Mike Glennon (2017)
 Chase Daniel (2018-19)
 Nick Foles (2020)
 Andy Dalton (2021)
 Justin Fields (2021)

Taking full career, not just time in Chicago, who is the best QB on that list?  It’s probably Cutler but I can see cases for Dave Krieg or maybe Jim Harbaugh
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 14, 2021, 04:16:44 PM
Bear week often brings this reminder up in Jsonline. Fields playing Sunday will be the 35th QB da Bears have trotted out since Favre started in 1992:
Jim Harbaugh (1990-1993)
 Peter Tom Willis (1992-93)
 Will Furrer (1992)
 Steve Walsh (1994)
 Erik Kramer (1994-1998)
 Dave Krieg (1996)
 Rick Mirer (1997)
 Steve Stenstrom (1998)
 Moses Moreno (1998)
 Shane Matthews (1999-2001)
 Cade McNown (1999-2000)
 Jim Miller (1999-2002)
 Chris Chandler (2002-03)
 Henry Burris (2002)
 Kordell Stewart (2003)
 Rex Grossman (2003-2008)
 Craig Krenzel (2004)
 Chad Hutchinson (2004)
 Jonathan Quinn (2004)
 Kyle Orton (2005-2008)
 Brian Griese (2006-07)
 Jay Cutler (2009-2016) Record vs. Packers (including playoffs): 2-10 (http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/images/smilies/pointlaugh.gif)
 Todd Collins (2010)
 Caleb Hanie (2009-11)
 Josh McCown (2011-2013)
 Jason Campbell (2012)
 Jimmy Clausen (2014-15)
 Matt Barkley (2016)
 Brian Hoyer (2016)
 Mitchell Trubisky (2017-20)
 Mike Glennon (2017)
 Chase Daniel (2018-19)
 Nick Foles (2020)
 Andy Dalton (2021)
 Justin Fields (2021)



Rob Demovsky
@RobDemovsky
Not coincidentally, the Packers have a 44-15 edge in the head-to-head meetings since 1992. Favre lost his first game against Chicago in ’92 and after that loss the Bears held a 24-game edge in the series, their most at any point in the rivalry.


Rob Demovsky
@RobDemovsky
Now, the Packers own a 101-95-6 record against the Bears in their series history -- the six-win edge representing the biggest advantage GB has ever owned over CHI. The Packers didn’t own a series lead against the Bears from 1933 to 2016.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 14, 2021, 04:44:21 PM
Lions fan laughs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 14, 2021, 05:05:43 PM
Taking full career, not just time in Chicago, who is the best QB on that list?  It’s probably Cutler but I can see cases for Dave Krieg or maybe Jim Harbaugh

Krieg was pretty good for some moribund Seahawks teams in the mid 80s.  He's got a decent argument.

Harbaugh was pretty meh most of his career, save for 1995.  Cutler has better numbers than him pretty much across the board, even when factoring in playing in more a of pass heavy era.

Cutler was an above average (even if just slightly above average) QB playing in a terrible organization and terrible system with constantly revolving coaches and offensive schemes.  The vast majority of the names on that list don't even begin to approach "average QB" level.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 14, 2021, 06:13:31 PM
As a long-suffering Bears fan, I'd like to reiterate that Mitch Trubisky  is the owner of the highest QB rating in team history of those who played a season or more.

Here's drinking to regression to the mean.

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/chicago-bears/leaders/career-passing-yards
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 14, 2021, 06:23:19 PM
Taking full career, not just time in Chicago, who is the best QB on that list?  It’s probably Cutler but I can see cases for Dave Krieg or maybe Jim Harbaugh

Krieg yes. Harbaugh no. McMahon maybe.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 14, 2021, 06:40:55 PM
Krieg yes. Harbaugh no. McMahon maybe.

My Harbaugh memory is clouded by that ‘95 Colts season
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 14, 2021, 06:55:58 PM
Taking full career, not just time in Chicago, who is the best QB on that list?  It’s probably Cutler but I can see cases for Dave Krieg or maybe Jim Harbaugh

I’m going to need a shower after suggesting this but by stats, it isn’t Dalton, is it?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 14, 2021, 07:07:29 PM
I’m going to need a shower after suggesting this but by stats, it isn’t Dalton, is it?

Perhaps, but we have to keep things in perspective when it comes to numbers and how they game has evolved from even 1992
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 14, 2021, 07:24:53 PM
Bear week often brings this reminder up in Jsonline. Fields playing Sunday will be the 35th QB da Bears have trotted out since Favre started in 1992:
Jim Harbaugh (1990-1993)
 Peter Tom Willis (1992-93)
 Will Furrer (1992)
 Steve Walsh (1994)
 Erik Kramer (1994-1998)
 Dave Krieg (1996)
 Rick Mirer (1997)
 Steve Stenstrom (1998)
 Moses Moreno (1998)
 Shane Matthews (1999-2001)
 Cade McNown (1999-2000)
 Jim Miller (1999-2002)
 Chris Chandler (2002-03)
 Henry Burris (2002)
 Kordell Stewart (2003)
 Rex Grossman (2003-2008)
 Craig Krenzel (2004)
 Chad Hutchinson (2004)
 Jonathan Quinn (2004)
 Kyle Orton (2005-2008)
 Brian Griese (2006-07)
 Jay Cutler (2009-2016) Record vs. Packers (including playoffs): 2-10 (http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/images/smilies/pointlaugh.gif)
 Todd Collins (2010)
 Caleb Hanie (2009-11)
 Josh McCown (2011-2013)
 Jason Campbell (2012)
 Jimmy Clausen (2014-15)
 Matt Barkley (2016)
 Brian Hoyer (2016)
 Mitchell Trubisky (2017-20)
 Mike Glennon (2017)
 Chase Daniel (2018-19)
 Nick Foles (2020)
 Andy Dalton (2021)
 Justin Fields (2021)

Wow
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 14, 2021, 07:45:06 PM
Taking full career, not just time in Chicago, who is the best QB on that list?  It’s probably Cutler but I can see cases for Dave Krieg or maybe Jim Harbaugh

How dare you besmirch the good names of Grossman and Orton!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUeng on October 14, 2021, 08:03:18 PM
How dare you besmirch the good names of Grossman and Orton!
Rexy led them to a super bowl.  Gotta be worth something right?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 14, 2021, 08:24:09 PM
In the Tampa Bay vs. Philly game they took about 6 minutes to review a possible interception (ruled interception on the field). If it takes you 6 minutes to evaluate it, there isn't enough evidence to overturn the call (they did overturn it).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 14, 2021, 08:53:31 PM
Brady had some poor passes in that last minute before the half . I wonder if the thumb got hit again and is affecting him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 14, 2021, 09:06:10 PM
Shoot ... I'm not arguing that St. Louis won't ask for billions. They can ask for as much as they want, and plaintiffs always ask for the moon.
What I'm suggesting is that what they're seeking and what's realistic are not the same. Even if they get a friendly jury to play along, I would not expect appellate courts to uphold that kind of a finding.

I’ve been following this case for a long time. This thing should have been settled a while ago. The only reason I can think the NFL legal team has been so bad thus far with their strategy is they just want more billable hours.

The key to this case is rich/powerful people don’t want their financials looked at, and certainly don’t want to be put on the stand to testify about them. At least for now, that’s where this thing is headed. Just as Super Wild Card Weekend wraps up, multiple owners being called as witnesses would be very no bueno.

As far as the “billion” goes, if you believe the rumors that the NFL may offer to settle by placing an expansion franchise in St. Louis within 10 years, you would place that at $2 billion (at least). However, I think the city/county almost value more the theatre of getting the commissioner and owner’s on the stand, than the actual settlement dollars. I’m not saying that’s right, that’s my perception.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 14, 2021, 09:14:13 PM
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1448828565781364739?t=Es1-xvbpRiY44Qt628lsWg&s=19

All hands on deck to protect Tom
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 14, 2021, 09:16:30 PM
Brady had some poor passes in that last minute before the half . I wonder if the thumb got hit again and is affecting him.
Arians said they were just overly conservative passes
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 14, 2021, 09:42:31 PM
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1448828565781364739?t=Es1-xvbpRiY44Qt628lsWg&s=19

All hands on deck to protect Tom

When you watch a Tampa Bay game, it is really hard not to believe in conspiracy theories. I've never seen a team get away with so many blatant and obvious pass interferences. That has consistently spanned across the last two seasons.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 15, 2021, 07:36:13 AM
When you watch a Tampa Bay game, it is really hard not to believe in conspiracy theories. I've never seen a team get away with so many blatant and obvious pass interferences. That has consistently spanned across the last two seasons.

I just think the refs suck at calling it. It's football's version of block/charge ... but the penalty in football is usually far more impactful.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 15, 2021, 07:49:31 AM
The problem with PI is that the blatant calls have the same (enormous) penalty as the borderline ones.  However, I don't think the NFL should have its refs try to differentiate between the two.  So that is why I think the penalty should just go back to 15 yards like college.

I haven't watched enough Buc football to have an opinion if they get any sort of benefit.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 15, 2021, 08:18:40 AM
The problem with PI is that the blatant calls have the same (enormous) penalty as the borderline ones.  However, I don't think the NFL should have its refs try to differentiate between the two.  So that is why I think the penalty should just go back to 15 yards like college.

I haven't watched enough Buc football to have an opinion if they get any sort of benefit.

The downside of the 15-yard penalty is that it rewards the defense for tackling the receiver when beat on a pass more than 15 yards downfield or in the end zone. Every defensive coach will teach it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2021, 08:45:50 AM
The downside of the 15-yard penalty is that it rewards the defense for tackling the receiver when beat on a pass more than 15 yards downfield or in the end zone. Every defensive coach will teach it.

The rules are so tilted towards the offense, I’m ok with the defense being thrown a bone with a 15-yard PI penalty
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 15, 2021, 08:39:08 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32407532/report-nfl-finds-no-other-current-team-personnel-implicated-washington-football-team-email-investigation
 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32407532/report-nfl-finds-no-other-current-team-personnel-implicated-washington-football-team-email-investigation)

So in the 650,000 emails no one else used racist or misogynistic language? Who exactly did Gruden get the naked photos of WFT cheerleaders from? And who else was sending them around.

I call BS on no one else having sent similar emails.

Not to mention, why didn't anyone report this behavior?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 15, 2021, 08:52:10 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32407532/report-nfl-finds-no-other-current-team-personnel-implicated-washington-football-team-email-investigation
 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32407532/report-nfl-finds-no-other-current-team-personnel-implicated-washington-football-team-email-investigation)

So in the 650,000 emails no one else used racist or misogynistic language? Who exactly did Gruden get the naked photos of WFT cheerleaders from? And who else was sending them around.

I call BS on no one else having sent similar emails.

Not to mention, why didn't anyone report this behavior?

"We've done a thorough investigation into ourselves and have turned up nothing!"
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 15, 2021, 11:30:50 PM


Rob Demovsky
@RobDemovsky
Not coincidentally, the Packers have a 44-15 edge in the head-to-head meetings since 1992. Favre lost his first game against Chicago in ’92 and after that loss the Bears held a 24-game edge in the series, their most at any point in the rivalry.

The Pack was 8-0 against the Bears during my four years at MU. I felt sorry for Bears fans.  I remember being in McCormick with my now wife in 1997 when the Bears went for two and the pass was dropped. The simultaneous cheers and groans we heard down the hall was a hilarious experience.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 17, 2021, 11:50:21 AM
For now, the Lions stand alone.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 17, 2021, 12:02:46 PM
Amazing how much promise the Dolphins had two years ago. All those high picks coming, great young coach, some good pieces in place.

They’re legit terrible now. Their first round pick belongs to Philly. Not For Long.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 17, 2021, 12:42:47 PM
That should have been off-sides on the Packers.  Damn.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 17, 2021, 12:43:36 PM
Moronic penalty by Edwards.  Imbecilic and inexcusable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 17, 2021, 12:46:51 PM
Amazing how much promise the Dolphins had two years ago. All those high picks coming, great young coach, some good pieces in place.

They’re legit terrible now. Their first round pick belongs to Philly. Not For Long.

Yeah man, even with my aqua-colored glasses, I thought they overachieved last year and their record would regress a bit.  But this is getting ugly.  I'm okay with the draft pick trades because they basically traded their pick for SF's and picked up an extra first rounder in the process, but I also didn't expect the MIA pick to have a legit shot of landing in the top 3.  All of the handwringing about Tua aside, I'm just discouraged by the lack of identity and qualitative progress, particularly along the offensive line and running game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 17, 2021, 12:54:27 PM
Amazing how much promise the Dolphins had two years ago. All those high picks coming, great young coach, some good pieces in place.

They’re legit terrible now. Their first round pick belongs to Philly. Not For Long.

I heard during the broadcast that Charlie Frye was their QB coach.  Remembering him from his Akron days, I was like wow, didn’t realize he was coaching. So I looked him up.  2 years ago he was coaching WRs at D2 Ashland (and not a particularly strong D2 program). Then went to Central Michigan.  So in 2 seasons, he went from position coach at a D2 school to NFL position coach (at a different position nonetheless) with a stopover at a middle mid major college program.  That sort of says it all about what a mess the Dolphins are
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 17, 2021, 01:16:38 PM
I didn't see pi on the Packers there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 17, 2021, 01:33:48 PM
That end of half sequence by the Bears…probably could have been better.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 17, 2021, 01:58:14 PM
Aaron Jones keeps pushing with his legs after the first hit. Gains a lot of extra yards that way
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 17, 2021, 02:00:32 PM
Amazing how much promise the Dolphins had two years ago. All those high picks coming, great young coach, some good pieces in place.

They’re legit terrible now. Their first round pick belongs to Philly. Not For Long.

It doesn’t matter the quantity when you use one to draft the wrong QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 17, 2021, 02:05:27 PM
The Bears are being toyed with and embarrassed.  #Smoke and Mirrors.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 17, 2021, 02:29:18 PM
I think this officiating crew can rest easy come playoff time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 17, 2021, 02:31:19 PM
Hicks looks seriously hurt.  Smh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 17, 2021, 02:35:12 PM
It’s honestly remarkable that the Bears are in this game.  Fields coming along slowly but surely
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 17, 2021, 02:43:19 PM
I’d love to hear the isolated audio from Rodgers after that touchdown.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 17, 2021, 02:45:24 PM
I’d love to hear the isolated audio from Rodgers after that touchdown.

“I still own you” is I think what he said.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 17, 2021, 02:47:20 PM
“I still own you” is I think what he said.

He honestly can’t be any worse than Virginia.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 17, 2021, 02:49:54 PM
He honestly can’t be any worse than Virginia.


Ok that was funny.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 17, 2021, 02:52:30 PM
When you talk smack, but can back it up with 10 plus years of domination, I respect that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 17, 2021, 02:55:35 PM
Greg Olson calling out the play calling…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 17, 2021, 02:57:03 PM
What is the combined record of Farve/Rodgers vs the Bears?  Like 50-10?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 17, 2021, 02:58:37 PM
Knock knock.

Who's there?

Owen



Oh, it is the Lions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 17, 2021, 02:59:19 PM
What is the combined record of Farve/Rodgers vs the Bears?  Like 50-10?

44-16 since 1992 when Favre started.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 17, 2021, 03:05:15 PM
44-16 since 1992 when Favre started.

45-16
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 17, 2021, 03:16:01 PM
I think this officiating crew can rest easy come playoff time.

The worst I have seen this year.

At least they were bad to both teams.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 17, 2021, 03:18:19 PM
Greg Olson calling out the play calling…

I thought he was really good today.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 17, 2021, 03:22:17 PM
I’d love to hear the isolated audio from Rodgers after that touchdown.
He sure seemed amped up
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 17, 2021, 03:24:17 PM
44-16 since 1992 when Favre started.

Beyond belief. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on October 17, 2021, 03:40:40 PM
I thought he was really good today.

Agree.  Romoesque.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 17, 2021, 03:57:20 PM
He sure seemed amped up

He wasn’t wrong but it doesn’t make him any less of a prick.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on October 17, 2021, 04:17:28 PM
He honestly can’t be any worse than Virginia.

I laughed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 17, 2021, 04:29:18 PM
My guess is Kyler Murray is slightly under 5' 9.  We could be looking at a double generational talent.  :)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 17, 2021, 04:39:50 PM
He wasn’t wrong but it doesn’t make him any less of a prick.

I assume you have the same opinion of Hicks since he runs his mouth all of the time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 17, 2021, 04:46:23 PM
I assume you have the same opinion of Hicks since he runs his mouth all of the time.

Hicks and Mario Edwards are both idiots that make incredibly boneheaded decisions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 17, 2021, 05:41:31 PM
Hicks and Mario Edwards are both idiots that make incredibly boneheaded decisions.

As long as you judge both sides the same, I have no qualms about your opinion on Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 17, 2021, 06:35:42 PM
He honestly can’t be any worse than Virginia.

Ha, this is excellent
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 17, 2021, 07:16:21 PM
My guess is Kyler Murray is slightly under 5' 9.  We could be looking at a double generational talent.  :)
Muggsy- I think Kyler is closer to 5-7.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 17, 2021, 09:12:40 PM
For now, the Lions stand alone.

Tank for Thibodeaux!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 18, 2021, 05:30:17 AM
Tank for Thibodeaux!

Not tanking.   No need.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 18, 2021, 11:02:15 AM
I like what I saw of Justin Fields yesterday . Yes, it is going to take some time to adjust to life as an NFL quarterback. So there will be some ups and downs . However , when he eventually makes the necessary adjustments his future  is bright.

Lions have to be absolutely kicking themselves in the butt for turning down the opportunity to draft Justin. Goff is not the answer. I guess they will have another chance at a top college quarterback this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 18, 2021, 11:03:26 AM
I like what I saw of Justin Fields yesterday . Yes, it is going to take some time to adjust to life as an NFL quarterback. So there will be some ups and downs . However , when he eventually makes the necessary adjustments his future  is bright.

Lions have to be absolutely kicking themselves in the butt for turning down the opportunity to draft Justin. Goff is not the answer. I guess they will have another chance at a top college quarterback this year.

Fields needs to be saved from Matt Nagy
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 18, 2021, 11:07:21 AM
Not tanking.   No need.

the roster as it was constructed has to be all about tanking.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 18, 2021, 11:12:57 AM
I like what I saw of Justin Fields yesterday . Yes, it is going to take some time to adjust to life as an NFL quarterback. So there will be some ups and downs . However , when he eventually makes the necessary adjustments his future  is bright.

Lions have to be absolutely kicking themselves in the butt for turning down the opportunity to draft Justin. Goff is not the answer. I guess they will have another chance at a top college quarterback this year.

I agree.  If I were a Bears fan, I would like what I have seen.  Still needs experience and seasoning, but I think he looks like he's going to be good.


Fields needs to be saved from Matt Nagy

Trusting the same duo of Pace and Nagy with Fields after failing completely with Trubisky was dumb from the beginning.  (Assuming Pace's successor would have drafted Fields anyway.)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 18, 2021, 11:23:50 AM
Will the Packers make some trade deadline moves this year? I would like to see some pass rush help.


https://dairylandexpress.com/2021/10/15/2021-year-packers-make-splash-trade-deadline/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 18, 2021, 12:47:47 PM
the roster as it was constructed has to be all about tanking.

The Quinn/Patricia era was so bad that it could not have been rebuilt this offseason.  I don't know if this regime is the answer, but I do know they have a huge hole to get out of.   This year is tanking without trying to.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on October 18, 2021, 01:21:24 PM
Feels like a long time ago that we were calling TOD on the entire Green Bay Packers franchise on 9/11/21.  5-1 with the injuries they've faced is a nice spot to be in.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2021, 02:45:47 PM
Feels like a long time ago that we were calling TOD on the entire Green Bay Packers franchise on 9/11/21.  5-1 with the injuries they've faced is a nice spot to be in.

Yeah, I just took a look back at some of the takes from then. Pretty funny stuff.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 18, 2021, 04:04:53 PM
Feels like a long time ago that we were calling TOD on the entire Green Bay Packers franchise on 9/11/21.  5-1 with the injuries they've faced is a nice spot to be in.

If we're being perfectly honest, the Packers are...fine. I give them credit for bouncing back from Week 1, what looked like internal havoc, they overcame and bounced back. Every analytic/stat considers them to be good, not great.

Point differential +8  (13th in the league, 7th in the NFC)
DVOA (thru last week)   15th in the league, 9th in the NFC
Offense DVOA  10th in the league
Defense DVOA  20th in the league
Special Teams DVOA  28th in the league

The 5-1 record looks all shiny and nice (and it is, there's no reason to piss on being 5-1), they've beaten teams that the schedule has given them. They're a fine, not spectacular, team that plays in a weak division. They're the Chicago White Sox of the NFL right now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 18, 2021, 04:15:04 PM
Fair assessment.  And they may be able to secure a playoff game at Lambeau by virtue of playing in a weak division.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on October 18, 2021, 04:15:17 PM
If we're being perfectly honest, the Packers are...fine. I give them credit for bouncing back from Week 1, what looked like internal havoc, they overcame and bounced back. Every analytic/stat considers them to be good, not great.

Point differential +8  (13th in the league, 7th in the NFC)
DVOA (thru last week)   15th in the league, 9th in the NFC
Offense DVOA  10th in the league
Defense DVOA  20th in the league
Special Teams DVOA  28th in the league

The 5-1 record looks all shiny and nice (and it is, there's no reason to piss on being 5-1), they've beaten teams that the schedule has given them. They're a fine, not spectacular, team that plays in a weak division. They're the Chicago White Sox of the NFL right now.

Very reasonable evaluation. I think also it's only a matter of time before the injuries catch up to them. The bye is a long way away and while the next couple weeks might see Baktiari and MVS coming back, that defense has been eviscerated by injuries. A good offense would light them up. I feel like they ought to beat Washington even weakened by injuries, but the KC and Arizona games will be a very different story.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on October 18, 2021, 04:29:40 PM
If we're being perfectly honest, the Packers are...fine. I give them credit for bouncing back from Week 1, what looked like internal havoc, they overcame and bounced back. Every analytic/stat considers them to be good, not great.

Point differential +8  (13th in the league, 7th in the NFC)
DVOA (thru last week)   15th in the league, 9th in the NFC
Offense DVOA  10th in the league
Defense DVOA  20th in the league
Special Teams DVOA  28th in the league

The 5-1 record looks all shiny and nice (and it is, there's no reason to piss on being 5-1), they've beaten teams that the schedule has given them. They're a fine, not spectacular, team that plays in a weak division. They're the Chicago White Sox of the NFL right now.

Sure.  They also sat their entire team for the entire preseason, have been missing their two best defensive players for multiple weeks, and have been missing the best offensive lineman in the NFL for the entire season so far.  So a slow start was not at all surprising.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 18, 2021, 06:21:58 PM
If we're being perfectly honest, the Packers are...fine. I give them credit for bouncing back from Week 1, what looked like internal havoc, they overcame and bounced back. Every analytic/stat considers them to be good, not great.

Point differential +8  (13th in the league, 7th in the NFC)
DVOA (thru last week)   15th in the league, 9th in the NFC
Offense DVOA  10th in the league
Defense DVOA  20th in the league
Special Teams DVOA  28th in the league

The 5-1 record looks all shiny and nice (and it is, there's no reason to piss on being 5-1), they've beaten teams that the schedule has given them. They're a fine, not spectacular, team that plays in a weak division. They're the Chicago White Sox of the NFL right now.
The Packers should be able to win the NFC North again this year . Would be helpful if they could generate a very strong win loss record to secure home field advantage for as much of the playoffs as possible.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on October 18, 2021, 06:40:07 PM
The Packers should be able to win the NFC North again this year . Would be helpful if they could generate a very strong win loss record to secure home field advantage for as much of the playoffs as possible.
I think they are more or less what they were last year, with a tick down on both the offensive line and front seven on D. They'll win the division, a playoff game or even two, but I don't see them having enough to get over the hump yet again.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 18, 2021, 06:46:28 PM
If the Packers can survive back to back road games against the Cards and Chiefs without getting the sh!t beat out of them with the injuries they're facing, I'll start believe. These are the games they've historically peed down their legs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 18, 2021, 06:48:37 PM
They probably will lose at least one of the two badly.   And it won't matter.   Will still be kings in the north.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 18, 2021, 06:56:56 PM
They probably will lose at least one of the two badly.   And it won't matter.   Will still be kings in the north.

The Packers, Cowboys, and Bills all have incredibly weak divisions and are in great shape for home field whereas others are quite competitive with at least one other playoff caliber team they have to face twice

Bills/Cowboys/Packers - way ahead
Pats/WFT/Vikings - decent, 9-8 at best
Dolphins/Eagles/Bears - capable of one or two surprises, nothing else. 6 wins max
Jets/Giants/Lions - dumpster fire doesn't this justice. 4 wins wins is the ceiling
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on October 18, 2021, 10:25:08 PM
The decision to go for it by Buffalo? Perfectly fine.

The play call? Epically bad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 18, 2021, 10:27:53 PM
The decision to go for it by Buffalo? Perfectly fine.

The play call? Epically bad.
Play call was fine. He’s a big boy that normally converts. Well defended crashing the center and Allen’s feet slipped.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on October 18, 2021, 10:39:39 PM
Titans had that stopped from a mile away. They sold out up the middle.

RPO or anything outside was a guranteed success.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 18, 2021, 10:42:03 PM
I loved the Bills' decision to go for it. Gain a foot, have a great chance to win in regulation rather than risk a coin-flip OT loss in which they never touch the football.

Good on the Titans for stopping it.

Entertaining game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 18, 2021, 10:42:39 PM
I loved the Bills' decision to go for it. Gain a foot, have a great chance to win in regulation rather than risk a coin-flip OT loss in which they never touch the football.

Good on the Titans for stopping it.

Entertaining game.

Kick a FG.  OT
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 19, 2021, 08:59:06 AM
Kick a FG.  OT

I disagree. And advanced stats overwhelmingly disagree.

From The Athletic:

The decision was cerebral. The numbers overwhelmingly favor going for the first down, with a victory the most common outcome. NFL Next Gen Stats show that in that specific situation, teams convert 75 percent of those plays and win 63 percent of the time. Meanwhile, attempting a field goal to tie the game leads to victory only 42 percent of the time.

And those figures factor in every quarterback who has attempted such a sneak, whether it be Lamar Jackson or Blaine Gabbert.

Allen went into Monday having converted all but one of his 14 fourth-and-1 runs, the lone failure a botched snap. Even when Allen needs to gain as many as 2 yards on a run, he has converted 75 percent for first downs or touchdowns.


I doubt the decision was a very difficult one at all for McDermott. It wasn't even a "ballsy" call. You make it there on 4th-and-inches, like you just about always do, and you very likely win the game. You kick the FG, and at least half the time you lose.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 19, 2021, 10:40:39 AM
A key to Brady’s success last year…..

https://nypost.com/2021/10/18/tom-bradys-latest-super-bowl-run-began-with-a-sweaty-butt/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 19, 2021, 11:53:16 AM
I loved the Bills' decision to go for it. Gain a foot, have a great chance to win in regulation rather than risk a coin-flip OT loss in which they never touch the football.

Good on the Titans for stopping it.

Entertaining game.

me too. And yes, an incredibly entertaining game.

The Bills are going to win their division going away and they play the Jags next. They can afford the slip up. Show confidence and go for the win. Tennessee made a great read and Allen slipped, the same thing could have happened on the FG attempt.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 19, 2021, 07:04:46 PM
me too. And yes, an incredibly entertaining game.

The Bills are going to win their division going away and they play the Jags next. They can afford the slip up. Show confidence and go for the win. Tennessee made a great read and Allen slipped, the same thing could have happened on the FG attempt.

That's another good angle on it, BH.

As a coach, you are telling your players: I believe in you. And then, after you don't make it, you can tell them I still believe in you, I know you'll make it next time, I'll always believe in you. So in addition to it being the correct thing to do mathematically, it's very good from coaching-psychology POV too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 20, 2021, 03:10:33 PM
Sounds like DeShaun to the Dolphins may be getting close.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Deshaun-Watson-Texans-Dolphins-trade-16549248.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 21, 2021, 09:16:24 AM
Sounds like DeShaun to the Dolphins may be getting close.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Deshaun-Watson-Texans-Dolphins-trade-16549248.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Ugh I hope not.  I was lukewarm on a Watson trade even before all the legal issues came out. Now that just feels like such a panic button move.  Trade for him now so you can make him serve some indefinite suspension starting immediately? Yuck. Feels gross not to mention it does zero to salvage this season. 

Between that and the normally very quantitative Bill Barnwell suggesting the Dolphins trade Xavien Howard to a contender to move their second pick up 10 spots and pick up an extra second rounder to "hit the reset button on the 2022 season" - woof.  Its a nervous time to be a Dolphins fan.  Pushing the panic button and throwing good picks after a bad season feels like a very Dolphins thing to do right now.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/32433617/nfl-trade-deadline-proposals-imagining-10-offers-players-including-xavien-howard-jabrill-peppers (https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/32433617/nfl-trade-deadline-proposals-imagining-10-offers-players-including-xavien-howard-jabrill-peppers)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 21, 2021, 02:58:58 PM
Sounds like DeShaun to the Dolphins may be getting close.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Deshaun-Watson-Texans-Dolphins-trade-16549248.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20(Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

I still find it intriguing that Watson's issues have him radioactive...yet Roethlisberger is still playing in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 21, 2021, 03:07:34 PM
I still find it intriguing that Watson's issues have him radioactive...yet Roethlisberger is still playing in the NFL.

his legal troubles are current, Big Ben was suspended for six games for the second incident too.  The first was kind of exposed as dubious at best:

On August 8, 2009, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette published details of an affidavit filed as part of a motion by two of the other defendants named in the suit to relocate the case from Washoe County to Douglas County. In the affidavit, Angela Antonetti, McNulty's former co-worker, delivered a sworn statement that McNulty had bragged to her about having consensual sex with Roethlisberger.[306] As part of the affidavit, Antonetti said she was "absolutely shocked" upon hearing of the case on the radio on July 21. Antonetti explained, "I knew that [her] lawsuit and false allegations would unfairly and unjustly hurt Mr. Roethlisberger".[312]

According to the affidavit, defendant Antonetti claimed that McNulty had revealed she was hoping she had gotten pregnant with a "little Roethlisberger". Antonetti also claimed that she had been asked to travel to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in August 2008 in an attempt to "run into" the quarterback. In response, Antonetti advised McNulty she "shouldn't try to chase Mr. Roethlisberger".


As far as I know, Watson has not yet been suspended.

Also, that was pre "believe all women."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 21, 2021, 03:13:14 PM
I still find it intriguing that Watson's issues have him radioactive...yet Roethlisberger is still playing in the NFL.

Largely because Roethlisberger's issues were settled without any kind of criminal charges.
Watson's issues are pending, so any team that acquires him doesn't know what they're getting. Maybe their franchise QB for the next decade, maybe a guy who you coould never allow to be the face of your franchise. It's not the accusations that make Watson radioactive, it's the uncertainty.
If Watson goes uncharged and can make the civil allegations go away, he'll continue to have a long NFL career,
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 21, 2021, 04:29:40 PM
Largely because Roethlisberger's issues were settled without any kind of criminal charges.
Watson's issues are pending, so any team that acquires him doesn't know what they're getting. Maybe their franchise QB for the next decade, maybe a guy who you coould never allow to be the face of your franchise. It's not the accusations that make Watson radioactive, it's the uncertainty.
If Watson goes uncharged and can make the civil allegations go away, he'll continue to have a long NFL career,

another issue would be the trade factor. Roethlisberger was already on his team, Watson is demanding a trade. Any team that trades for him at quite a steep asking price has to face the possibility he will be suspended for a significant period of time or could never play for them after giving up significant assets.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on October 21, 2021, 04:38:11 PM
JJ Watt is honest at least .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 21, 2021, 06:45:49 PM


Also, that was pre "believe all women."

The incel movement still has a few openings.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 21, 2021, 06:55:33 PM
The incel movement still has a few openings.

I'd hardly consider Rep. Carolyn Maloney as incel, or the far left Tara Reade supporters who tried to smear Joe Biden, or those like Sen. Gillibrand who destroyed Al Franken's career, but whatever. I never figured you for a Kavanaugh supporter. Stick to sports.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/28/opinion/metoo-sexual-harassment-believe-women.html
https://twitter.com/RepMaloney/status/1045005759728234497?s=20
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 21, 2021, 07:30:36 PM
I'd hardly consider Rep. Carolyn Maloney as incel, or the far left Tara Reade supporters who tried to smear Joe Biden, or those like Sen. Gillibrand who destroyed Al Franken's career, but whatever. I never figured you for a Kavanaugh supporter. Stick to sports.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/28/opinion/metoo-sexual-harassment-believe-women.html
https://twitter.com/RepMaloney/status/1045005759728234497?s=20

Please don't ruin the NFL thread with something not remotely relatedto the NFL..
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 22, 2021, 12:32:50 PM
Please don't ruin the NFL thread with something not remotely relatedto the NFL..

I didn't, Jockey attacked me because I brought up the the positive movement that has thankfully resulted in a change in how society responded to accusations of sexual assault that is helping the women who are accusing Watson as opposed to when Roethlisberger was accused. Take it up with him for his response.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 22, 2021, 12:49:27 PM
I didn't, Jockey attacked me because I brought up the the positive movement that has thankfully resulted in a change in how society responded to accusations of sexual assault that is helping the women who are accusing Watson as opposed to when Roethlisberger was accused. Take it up with him for his response.


And then you responded taking the discussion even further away.  So do your part and stay on topic.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 22, 2021, 01:42:28 PM
I didn't, Jockey attacked me because I brought up the the positive movement that has thankfully resulted in a change in how society responded to accusations of sexual assault that is helping the women who are accusing Watson as opposed to when Roethlisberger was accused. Take it up with him for his response.

Don't be disingenuous.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 23, 2021, 06:10:37 AM
Don't be disingenuous.
Chico
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 23, 2021, 06:21:17 AM
Most important thing about the Top 75 is that D Wade is on the team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 24, 2021, 12:01:19 PM
Love the Packers uniforms. Would be sweet to see the Bears throwbacks from last week in a game with these Pack uni’s.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on October 24, 2021, 12:25:10 PM
Jaylon Smith just constantly fails to make plays.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 24, 2021, 01:02:49 PM
Bears lose a starting tackle because he's unvaccinated
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 24, 2021, 01:07:15 PM
Seems like a lot more teams going for it on 4th down this season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 24, 2021, 01:23:48 PM
This Chiefs team isn’t good.

Still not good.

At all.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 24, 2021, 01:30:44 PM
Did the Monstars steal Mahomes’ abilities like Space Jam?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on October 24, 2021, 01:35:42 PM
Davis and Olson are a good team in the booth. Pam Oliver is really bad on the sidelines though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 24, 2021, 01:56:21 PM
Seems like a lot more teams going for it on 4th down this season.


Analytics.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 24, 2021, 02:05:24 PM
I thought Taylor Heinicke was a fun player to watch in the playoff game last year . Seems like he is enjoying it out there today.

Packers punter is an important asset.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 24, 2021, 02:19:36 PM
Jamar Chase is ridiculous, what a play.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 24, 2021, 02:23:57 PM
WFT front 4is really, really good

Back 7 is really, really bad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 24, 2021, 03:21:17 PM
The Dolphins passed on Chase & Pitts, and then traded their 2022 pick and Devonta Smith for Waddle.

Also, this Lions/Rams game is hilarious.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 24, 2021, 04:09:34 PM
One thing that only I may find interesting is how everyone is completely disregarding the Super Bowl loser's hangover when it comes to the Chiefs. And perhaps Mahomes is good enough that it ought to be disregarded.
Chiefs are solid favorites to win the Super Bowl, and huge favorites to win the AFC, but only three of the past 27 Super Bowl losers have made it back the following season. History says someone else is winning the AFC this season. But again, maybe Mahomes > history.

Bump.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 24, 2021, 04:13:33 PM
Bump.

The Chiefs offensive line is hot trash and the WR’s aren’t winning their routes.  They have a lot of work to do.  Mahomes took a beating today. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 24, 2021, 04:15:48 PM
Seems like a lot more teams going for it on 4th down this season.


I think Rivera went for it on 4th too many times today. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 24, 2021, 04:18:43 PM

I think Rivera went for it on 4th too many times today.

They probably came into the game thinking they needed TDs to win and stuck with that plan.  The kicking game isn’t solid for them either. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on October 24, 2021, 04:23:31 PM
Bears really suck
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on October 24, 2021, 04:24:13 PM
Didn’t watch the Packers/Bears game until yesterday because I was on a flight back home, so couldn’t really comment on it. I didn’t see what people here saw that would have me excited about Fields. Sure, he hit a couple out routes to start the game that were on time and on target, and I suppose that’s better than almost any Bears QB in my lifetime could do. But he missed some throws by fairly wide margins that were there and even the PI (the right call) in the end zone was not on target at all (WR was running a post, he threw it back behind the WR’s head and basically out of the end zone).

He’s not a complete mess, but guys like Herbert and Burrow you can see basically from game one that they’ve “got it.” To me he looks closer to Tua than to Herbert or Burrow. Both those guys have time to figure it out, but they have a long ways to go to be franchise changers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 24, 2021, 04:44:15 PM
Is it insane to think the Chiefs finish last in the AFC West?

Bumping this too.

Credit to Pakuni though, he was right about the Chiefs before the season started. I said this in week 3
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HutchwasClutch on October 24, 2021, 04:50:50 PM
I thought Taylor Heinicke was a fun player to watch in the playoff game last year . Seems like he is enjoying it out there today.

Packers punter is an important asset.

Heinicke competes hard, but is limited.

Packers finally found a solid punter.
DeVondre Campbell is a stud, great late offseason add by Gutey.  He’s extremely valuable, especially with their injuries.

On to Arizona  :)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 24, 2021, 05:02:36 PM
Didn’t watch the Packers/Bears game until yesterday because I was on a flight back home, so couldn’t really comment on it. I didn’t see what people here saw that would have me excited about Fields. Sure, he hit a couple out routes to start the game that were on time and on target, and I suppose that’s better than almost any Bears QB in my lifetime could do. But he missed some throws by fairly wide margins that were there and even the PI (the right call) in the end zone was not on target at all (WR was running a post, he threw it back behind the WR’s head and basically out of the end zone).

He’s not a complete mess, but guys like Herbert and Burrow you can see basically from game one that they’ve “got it.” To me he looks closer to Tua than to Herbert or Burrow. Both those guys have time to figure it out, but they have a long ways to go to be franchise changers.

Fields will be a bust if Nagy stays. With a decent coach, I think he has at least a fifty percent chance to be good.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 24, 2021, 05:06:16 PM

I think Rivera went for it on 4th too many times today.

“Riverboat Ron.”

Everyone loves going for it on 4th down … except when you fail.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 24, 2021, 05:10:18 PM
Panthers are officially a hot mess, especially on offense.

The Great Joe Brady is a mirage. Please, LSU, take him away.

Darnold looks every bit like the failed Jet. Actually got benched today - and it was the right move.

And yet … I felt a little sorry for Darnold because he has a bunch of receivers who can’t catch, and an OL that can’t block.

Otherwise, things are swell!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 24, 2021, 05:11:18 PM
Fields getting a tutorial on NFL today.

Tampa bringing the heat .

Packers win over Bengals looking more impressive each week.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 24, 2021, 05:18:40 PM
Didn’t watch the Packers/Bears game until yesterday because I was on a flight back home, so couldn’t really comment on it. I didn’t see what people here saw that would have me excited about Fields. Sure, he hit a couple out routes to start the game that were on time and on target, and I suppose that’s better than almost any Bears QB in my lifetime could do. But he missed some throws by fairly wide margins that were there and even the PI (the right call) in the end zone was not on target at all (WR was running a post, he threw it back behind the WR’s head and basically out of the end zone).

He’s not a complete mess, but guys like Herbert and Burrow you can see basically from game one that they’ve “got it.” To me he looks closer to Tua than to Herbert or Burrow. Both those guys have time to figure it out, but they have a long ways to go to be franchise changers.

Herbert and Burrow have offensive lines and competent coaches/play callers.  Burrow has his absolute favorite college target who happens to be an absolute stud.  Herbert has a bevy of weapons and a really good young HC.  Their situations have almost nothing in common with Fields right now.

The Bears literally don’t have an average tackle on the team, much less a good one.  Fields has had his blindside protected by Jason Peters’ decrepit corpse for large portions of the season.   Add to that Nagy being a complete moron and you have a situation where you can’t get a decent read on Fields at all.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on October 24, 2021, 05:34:35 PM
Herbert and Burrow have offensive lines and competent coaches/play callers.  Burrow has his absolute favorite college target who happens to be an absolute stud.  Herbert has a bevy of weapons and a really good young HC.  Their situations have almost nothing in common with Fields right now.

The Bears literally don’t have an average tackle on the team, much less a good one.  Fields has had his blindside protected by Jason Peters’ decrepit corpse for large portions of the season.   Add to that Nagy being a complete moron and you have a situation where you can’t get a decent read on Fields at all.

All true.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 24, 2021, 05:42:35 PM
Herbert and Burrow have offensive lines and competent coaches/play callers.  Burrow has his absolute favorite college target who happens to be an absolute stud.  Herbert has a bevy of weapons and a really good young HC.  Their situations have almost nothing in common with Fields right now.

Pro Football Focus' offensive line rankings for 2020 (i.e. Burrow's and Herbert's rookie seasons).

30. Cincinnati Bengals
It’s safe to say that Joe Burrow did not have the cleanest of pockets to work from in his rookie season before suffering a season-ending injury in one of those collapsing pockets. The No. 1 overall pick in the 2020 NFL Draft took 32 sacks (t-2nd most) and 42 quarterback hits (t-5th most) over the first 11 weeks of the season. That falls back largely on the play of the offensive line.
Jonah Williams was the only member of Cincinnati’s offensive line to record a pass-blocking grade of 70.0 or higher (75.8) in a group that was hampered not only by a lack of talent but also by injuries. Ten different players played at least 200 snaps along the offensive line for the Bengals this season. It’s not a surprise that many Cincinnati fans have their sights set on Oregon tackle prospect Penei Sewell in the 2021 NFL Draft.


32. Los Angeles Chargers
The Chargers’ offensive line has been among the worst in the NFL for several years now, but they were supposed to be better this season after adding veterans Trai Turner and Bryan Bulaga to the right side of the line. At least, they were supposed to be better in theory — that’s not what played out on the field.
Turner and Bulaga both battled through injury-shortened seasons and weren’t effective when they were on the field, either. Bulaga’s 61.6 overall grade ranked 29th at the right tackle position, and Turner came in as the lowest-graded right guard in the entire league by a wide margin (34.8). Those were the veterans who were supposed to raise the floor of what was otherwise a bad unit coming into the year, which made the lack of production from those two players hurt all the more.
Storm Norton came out of the year as Los Angeles’ highest-graded offensive lineman at 65.1 overall. In other words, the offensive line is once again a need for the Chargers.


https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-offensive-line-rankings

So, as rookies - when Herbert was OROY and Burrow threw 13 TDs to 5 INTs and an 89.8 passer rating - they had two of the three worst OLs in the league.
Despite that, they looked light years ahead of where Fields is now. That doesn't mean Fields won't or can't catch up, but he has problems that go far beyond his line and receivers, or even his coach.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 24, 2021, 05:57:47 PM
Fire everybody
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 24, 2021, 05:59:29 PM
Matt Patricia is tanned and rested and waiting by the phone.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 24, 2021, 06:00:03 PM
Fire everybody

Bring back Ditka
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 24, 2021, 06:06:40 PM
Pro Football Focus' offensive line rankings for 2020 (i.e. Burrow's and Herbert's rookie seasons).


Great post and thanks for the stats. I knew Cincy’s OL was a train wreck last year - didn’t know about SD.

Watching Heinicke and Fields today made it plainly obvious who the better QB is and who sees the field way, way, way better.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 24, 2021, 06:08:49 PM
I’ve been open minded on Fields, have taken a “wait to see” approach since they drafted him.

It’s completely possible he could be a a bust, that’s 100% in play. He needs some competence of blocking and coaching before I can judge.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 24, 2021, 06:18:56 PM
So, as rookies - when Herbert was OROY and Burrow threw 13 TDs to 5 INTs and an 89.8 passer rating - they had two of the three worst OLs in the league.
Despite that, they looked light years ahead of where Fields is now. That doesn't mean Fields won't or can't catch up, but he has problems that go far beyond his line and receivers, or even his coach.

Totally fair.  But also, those guys were brought in to start and went at it since Day 1. Nagy did his typical buffoonery and Fields was off and on with first team reps. Herbert specifically was airing it out tons from Week 1. 

And I’ll wait to see the PFF ranks for OL this year but I struggle to see a worse LT in the league than Peters.

I’m not trying to be a relentless Fields apologist and he’s made plenty of mistakes. But he’s been put in a nearly impossible position to succeed.

Watching Heinicke and Fields today made it plainly obvious who the better QB is and who sees the field way, way, way better.

That’s comparing apples to onions.  Heinicke is 28, spent years in the league under multiple systems, and now is in his second season as a regular starter.  Comparing him to a 22 year old rookie in his 5th start is beyond silly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 24, 2021, 07:44:21 PM
Maybe JWags is on to something....

@AdamHoge: On the first INT, Justin Fields quick snapped the ball because they told him in his headset the Bucs had 12 players on the field. He thought it was a free play. Second week in a row that has happened.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 24, 2021, 07:47:03 PM


That’s comparing apples to onions.  Heinicke is 28, spent years in the league under multiple systems, and now is in his second season as a regular starter.  Comparing him to a 22 year old rookie in his 5th start is beyond silly.

I believe Heinicke has played in less than 15 games. Definitely not a grizzled veteran.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 24, 2021, 08:00:17 PM
Maybe JWags is on to something....

@AdamHoge: On the first INT, Justin Fields quick snapped the ball because they told him in his headset the Bucs had 12 players on the field. He thought it was a free play. Second week in a row that has happened.

I can't even process what an embarrassment this organization is right now.

I believe Heinicke has played in less than 15 games. Definitely not a grizzled veteran.

Sure, and I'm not pretending he is.  However, its still 5+ seasons of NFL practices, breaking down film, studying the game at an NFL level while backing up NFL QBs, etc... in addition to maturity that comes with being in your late 20s vs 22.  He was taking NFL practice snaps and backing up Bridgewater in Minnesota, competing for time...before Fields even became the starter on his HS team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 24, 2021, 08:14:58 PM
Maybe JWags is on to something....

@AdamHoge: On the first INT, Justin Fields quick snapped the ball because they told him in his headset the Bucs had 12 players on the field. He thought it was a free play. Second week in a row that has happened.

This is exactly why putting faith in Pace and Nagy (again) was such a dumb decision.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 24, 2021, 08:21:06 PM
I don’t think anyone else cares about this except me, but the last Bears drive with 90 seconds left was totally wreckless by Nagy. He even called a timeout with like 20 seconds left.

I don’t think anyone on either team got hurt (luckily), but it’s stupid stuff like that, that has bothered me about him from year one.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 24, 2021, 08:32:12 PM
I don’t think anyone else cares about this except me, but the last Bears drive with 90 seconds left was totally wreckless by Nagy. He even called a timeout with like 20 seconds left.

I don’t think anyone on either team got hurt (luckily), but it’s stupid stuff like that, that has bothered me about him from year one.

Right. Then the Bucs blitzed the hell out of the Bears the next play. It’s just nonsensical.

I think the guy who through the punch looked relived he was booted.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 24, 2021, 09:15:18 PM
I’ve been open minded on Fields, have taken a “wait to see” approach since they drafted him.

It’s completely possible he could be a a bust, that’s 100% in play. He needs some competence of blocking and coaching before I can judge.
Fields will eventually be a good quarterback. He just has to learn how the NFL game is played. Very hard to do that with circumstances surrounding The Bears .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 25, 2021, 10:11:12 AM
Bumping this too.

Credit to Pakuni though, he was right about the Chiefs before the season started. I said this in week 3
I was completely wrong about the Chiefs. I had them penciled in for the Super Bowl.

Hope , they don’t regain their mojo when they play the Packers .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 25, 2021, 10:17:34 AM
I don’t think anyone else cares about this except me, but the last Bears drive with 90 seconds left was totally wreckless by Nagy. He even called a timeout with like 20 seconds left.

I don’t think anyone on either team got hurt (luckily), but it’s stupid stuff like that, that has bothered me about him from year one.

Oh I cared.  But its this pendulum that has swung.  Early on, it was dumb but I was optimistic so I overlooked it.  Then it was infuriating.  Now I realize what a petty clown he is and im just over it and over getting annoyed by him.  He's a lost cause.  God forbid something truly negative happens as a result of it, then I'll have surplus anger, but right now I am so apathetic to anything regarding Nagy short of his dismissal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 25, 2021, 10:27:55 AM
Are the Panthers and Broncos kicking themselves yet for taking DBs ahead of Mac Jones?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 25, 2021, 10:33:51 AM
I just hope the bears/Nagy figure out the "why"
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 25, 2021, 11:51:23 AM
Matt Nagy has got the COVID.
How can you fire a sick man?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 25, 2021, 11:53:08 AM
Does COVID brain fog explain anything?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 25, 2021, 12:06:35 PM
I was completely wrong about the Chiefs. I had them penciled in for the Super Bowl.

Hope , they don’t regain their mojo when they play the Packers .

Mojo won't help overcome the lack of an offensive line or defense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 25, 2021, 12:12:49 PM
Matt Nagy has got the COVID.
How can you fire a sick man?

Is it possible the Bears implement a 10+ week quarantine period? Can’t be too careful.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 25, 2021, 12:16:07 PM
Are the Panthers and Broncos kicking themselves yet for taking DBs ahead of Mac Jones?

Are the Bears kicking themselves for taking a QB over Jones?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 25, 2021, 12:52:16 PM
Are the Bears kicking themselves for taking a QB over Jones?

Jones would be floundering in Chicago too.  He's been fine but its not like he's setting the world on fire.  He's in a good system that allows him to make a lot of short manageable passes and he still has a 1.5 TD to INT ratio.  More than half his games his average completion is under 7.5 yards.

Fields has taken 22 sacks and he's a mobile QB with great elusiveness.  Jones has taken 14 in NE.  He'd be embedded in the turf if he was a Bear.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 25, 2021, 03:05:58 PM
Adams has Covid as well, very likely he misses Thursday night (which sucks, I was really looking forward to seeing that game).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 25, 2021, 03:20:47 PM
Quick turnaround on Thursday. Let our dudes rest and take a faux bye week
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 25, 2021, 03:27:06 PM
Jones would be floundering in Chicago too.  He's been fine but its not like he's setting the world on fire.  He's in a good system that allows him to make a lot of short manageable passes and he still has a 1.5 TD to INT ratio.  More than half his games his average completion is under 7.5 yards.

Fields has taken 22 sacks and he's a mobile QB with great elusiveness.  Jones has taken 14 in NE.  He'd be embedded in the turf if he was a Bear.

Mac Jones yards per completion: 7.2
Justin Herbert yards per completion: 7.2
(Others of note ... Ryan Tannehill and Patrick Mahomes. 7.6; Tom Brady and Josh Allen, 7.5; Kirk Cousins, 7.4).

Mac Jones intended air yards per attempt: 7.5
Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, 7.4; Patrick Mahomes, 7.7; Joe Burrow, 7.8.

Mac isn't the Mad Bomber by any stretch, but he's been perfectly average when it comes to pushing the ball downfield. He is not Checkdown Charlie.

You wrote a post yesterday lamenting Fields' lack of weapons, but Jones' top receivers are Jakobi Meyers and Kendrick Bourne. Not many teams - zero, in fact -  are taking that pair over Allen Robinson and Darnell Mooney.

As for Fields' sacks, many of them are because he's been agonizingly slow with his reads and holds on to the ball too long.
More telling is pressures. Fields has been pressured in 23.3% of his drop backs. Among starters, that's less than Bridgewater, Russ Wilson, Jameis, Zach Wilson, Cousins, Darnold, Wentz and Allen, and within 2 percentage points of six other starters. Yet Fields has been sacked more than all of them, and only Darnold is close (21 on 253 pass attempts, to Fields' 22 on 131 attempts).

Again, Nagy is terrible and the Bears O-line ain't great, but Fields has issues that are all his own.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 25, 2021, 03:53:39 PM
Davante Adams is worth 2.5 - 3 points, line jumped to AZ -6 or -6.5 depending on what book you use.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 25, 2021, 04:01:10 PM
Mac Jones yards per completion: 7.2
Justin Herbert yards per completion: 7.2
(Others of note ... Ryan Tannehill and Patrick Mahomes. 7.6; Tom Brady and Josh Allen, 7.5; Kirk Cousins, 7.4).

Mac Jones intended air yards per attempt: 7.5
Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, 7.4; Patrick Mahomes, 7.7; Joe Burrow, 7.8.

Mac isn't the Mad Bomber by any stretch, but he's been perfectly average when it comes to pushing the ball downfield. He is not Checkdown Charlie.

You wrote a post yesterday lamenting Fields' lack of weapons, but Jones' top receivers are Jakobi Meyers and Kendrick Bourne. Not many teams - zero, in fact -  are taking that pair over Allen Robinson and Darnell Mooney.

As for Fields' sacks, many of them are because he's been agonizingly slow with his reads and holds on to the ball too long.
More telling is pressures. Fields has been pressured in 23.3% of his drop backs. Among starters, that's less than Bridgewater, Russ Wilson, Jameis, Zach Wilson, Cousins, Darnold, Wentz and Allen, and within 2 percentage points of six other starters. Yet Fields has been sacked more than all of them, and only Darnold is close (21 on 253 pass attempts, to Fields' 22 on 131 attempts).

Again, Nagy is terrible and the Bears O-line ain't great, but Fields has issues that are all his own.

Mac Jones is working with Josh McDaniels.  Jones probably got better coaching at Alabama as well.  Some NFL people aren’t overly impressed with some of the coaching that occurs in Columbus.  Fields definitely has issues but he’s in an impossible spot imo. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 25, 2021, 04:17:05 PM
Mac Jones yards per completion: 7.2
Justin Herbert yards per completion: 7.2
(Others of note ... Ryan Tannehill and Patrick Mahomes. 7.6; Tom Brady and Josh Allen, 7.5; Kirk Cousins, 7.4).

Mac Jones intended air yards per attempt: 7.5
Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, 7.4; Patrick Mahomes, 7.7; Joe Burrow, 7.8.

Mac isn't the Mad Bomber by any stretch, but he's been perfectly average when it comes to pushing the ball downfield. He is not Checkdown Charlie.

You wrote a post yesterday lamenting Fields' lack of weapons, but Jones' top receivers are Jakobi Meyers and Kendrick Bourne. Not many teams - zero, in fact -  are taking that pair over Allen Robinson and Darnell Mooney.

As for Fields' sacks, many of them are because he's been agonizingly slow with his reads and holds on to the ball too long.
More telling is pressures. Fields has been pressured in 23.3% of his drop backs. Among starters, that's less than Bridgewater, Russ Wilson, Jameis, Zach Wilson, Cousins, Darnold, Wentz and Allen, and within 2 percentage points of six other starters. Yet Fields has been sacked more than all of them, and only Darnold is close (21 on 253 pass attempts, to Fields' 22 on 131 attempts).

Again, Nagy is terrible and the Bears O-line ain't great, but Fields has issues that are all his own.

I remember the knock against him during the leadup to the draft was exactly that (in addition to work ethic, being "last in, first out") and many analysts took serious heat for saying it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 25, 2021, 04:29:44 PM
I remember the knock against him during the leadup to the draft was exactly that (in addition to work ethic, being "last in, first out") and many analysts took serious heat for saying it.


No "many analysts" did not take heat for saying that.  Dan Orlovsky took heat for stating it came from "NFL sources."  After which, many people who know him and worked with him defended him.

I will say right now there is no evidence that I am aware of that his work ethic is a problem either.  Do you have any?

The slowness in reading his progressions?  Definitely.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 25, 2021, 04:43:29 PM

No "many analysts" did not take heat for saying that.  Dan Orlovsky took heat for stating it came from "NFL sources."  After which, many people who know him and worked with him defended him.

I will say right now there is no evidence that I am aware of that his work ethic is a problem either.  Do you have any?

The slowness in reading his progressions?  Definitely.

I would post the numerous articles going after analysts talking about his poor reads and decision making ability but someone here might resort to personal insults again. Here's Todd McShay talking about Fields being a "one read QB:"

"The catalyst for this is a report from ESPN analyst Todd McShay who regurgitated a stat that said Fields only progressed to his second read seven times in 200 throws, and he mentioned the “research” was done by scouts for an NFL team."


There were also concerns about his poor reading of delayed blitzes and staring down receivers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 25, 2021, 04:44:59 PM
I would post the numerous articles going after analysts talking about his poor reads and decision making ability but someone here might resort to personal insults again. Here's Todd McShay talking about Fields being a "one read QB:"

"The catalyst for this is a report from ESPN analyst Todd McShay who regurgitated a stat that said Fields only progressed to his second read seven times in 200 throws, and he mentioned the “research” was done by scouts for an NFL team."


There were also concerns about his poor reading of delayed blitzes and staring down receivers.


Right.  But this isn't about his work ethic.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 25, 2021, 04:46:28 PM
Mac Jones yards per completion: 7.2
Justin Herbert yards per completion: 7.2
(Others of note ... Ryan Tannehill and Patrick Mahomes. 7.6; Tom Brady and Josh Allen, 7.5; Kirk Cousins, 7.4).

Mac Jones intended air yards per attempt: 7.5
Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, 7.4; Patrick Mahomes, 7.7; Joe Burrow, 7.8.

Mac isn't the Mad Bomber by any stretch, but he's been perfectly average when it comes to pushing the ball downfield. He is not Checkdown Charlie.

You wrote a post yesterday lamenting Fields' lack of weapons, but Jones' top receivers are Jakobi Meyers and Kendrick Bourne. Not many teams - zero, in fact -  are taking that pair over Allen Robinson and Darnell Mooney.

As for Fields' sacks, many of them are because he's been agonizingly slow with his reads and holds on to the ball too long.
More telling is pressures. Fields has been pressured in 23.3% of his drop backs. Among starters, that's less than Bridgewater, Russ Wilson, Jameis, Zach Wilson, Cousins, Darnold, Wentz and Allen, and within 2 percentage points of six other starters. Yet Fields has been sacked more than all of them, and only Darnold is close (21 on 253 pass attempts, to Fields' 22 on 131 attempts).

Again, Nagy is terrible and the Bears O-line ain't great, but Fields has issues that are all his own.

I didn't say Fields has no weapons.  I did say the Chargers have more (which I would still stand by) and that Burrow has his favorite target.  Fields, for whatver reason, doesn't have great chemistry or feel with Robinson which is a huge issue.  I don't know if thats on Fields or if its on the myriad problems on the North Side.

And I wasn't saying Mac Jones was a Checkdown master.  I'm saying he's in a system that affords him plenty of options and reads for mid range passing.  McDaniels is a douche and a bad HC (at least thus far) but he's a very good OC.

Jones has been pretty good for stretches and looked like a rookie for stretches.  The idea that the Bears or Bears fans should bemoaning not selecting him is silly.  Its based on some idea that Fields has been some super concerning disaster and another rookie QB would be doing just fine or really good in the mess in Chicago.

Fields is far from blameless and has a lot of maturing and polishing to do, but like Rico said, I don't know what young QB in his situation wouldn't.  From the mixed messages in pecking order and coaching early on, to the roster issues, to terrible on field guidance, I honestly just want him to get through this year competing and injury free.

I would post the numerous articles going after analysts talking about his poor reads and decision making ability but someone here might resort to personal insults again. Here's Todd McShay talking about Fields being a "one read QB:"

"The catalyst for this is a report from ESPN analyst Todd McShay who regurgitated a stat that said Fields only progressed to his second read seven times in 200 throws, and he mentioned the “research” was done by scouts for an NFL team."


There were also concerns about his poor reading of delayed blitzes and staring down receivers.

He was talking about the idea that he has some bad work ethic or attitude problems, which seemed largely unfounded.  Not that he's slow in diagnosing reads or has issues with progressions.  That was known but was balanced by his physical abilities and accuracy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 25, 2021, 05:16:38 PM
Mac Jones is working with Josh McDaniels.  Jones probably got better coaching at Alabama as well.  Some NFL people aren’t overly impressed with some of the coaching that occurs in Columbus.  Fields definitely has issues but he’s in an impossible spot imo.

Throw out the Mac Jones comparison, then. Doesn't change the fact that Fields has been objectively bad so far. Not just worse than Jones, but worse than Zach Wilson and worse than Trevor Lawrence, neither of whom walked into ideal circumstances either. Heck, Fields has been worse than Davis Mills, and if you think the Bears' offensive depth chart is lacking, go check out the Texans' roster.
(Also worse than Trey Lance, but that sample size is way too small).

I totally get that Bears fans need to blame Fields' struggles on others. The franchise wagon is hitched to the guy for the next 4-5 years. and if he's not good, it will set the team back for a long, long time.
I'll say it again, none of this means Fields is doomed to be a bust or won't be the best QB of the 2021 draft class in three years. But he's struggled mightily, and much of those struggles are a result of his own deficiencies. Bring in a new coaching staff tomorrow, and those deficiencies don't go away. With the exact same coaching staff and same roster issues, Money Mitch never looked this bad and even went to the Pro Bowl in his first season with Nagy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 25, 2021, 05:35:55 PM
Throw out the Mac Jones comparison, then. Doesn't change the fact that Fields has been objectively bad so far. Not just worse than Jones, but worse than Zach Wilson and worse than Trevor Lawrence, neither of whom walked into ideal circumstances either. Heck, Fields has been worse than Davis Mills, and if you think the Bears' offensive depth chart is lacking, go check out the Texans' roster.
(Also worse than Trey Lance, but that sample size is way too small).

I totally get that Bears fans need to blame Fields' struggles on others. The franchise wagon is hitched to the guy for the next 4-5 years. and if he's not good, it will set the team back for a long, long time.
I'll say it again, none of this means Fields is doomed to be a bust or won't be the best QB of the 2021 draft class in three years. But he's struggled mightily, and much of those struggles are a result of his own deficiencies. Bring in a new coaching staff tomorrow, and those deficiencies don't go away. With the exact same coaching staff and same roster issues, Money Mitch never looked this bad and even went to the Pro Bowl in his first season with Nagy.

Because of posts like the one asking if the Bears regret not taking Jones.  Or this constant need to evaluate the totality of a QB or the pick less than halfway into the season.  Nobody here, nor any non-meathead Bears fan is sitting saying that Fields has been great or that he is gonna be a contender for OROY.  They are pointing out the very real issues in Chicago that are far greater than one rookie.  Constantly pulling data points to be like "well actually Fields is terrible, here is PFF showing why you're wrong to say anything positive about him" is just a valueless discussion.

As for the talk about Trubisky, that was Nagy's first year before everyone figured him out and revealed the Emperor had no clothes.  He was COY the year that year which seems hysterical in retrospect.  Pretending that is the same scenario as now just because its still Nagy is the coach is not a like for like.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 25, 2021, 05:38:23 PM
Throw out the Mac Jones comparison, then. Doesn't change the fact that Fields has been objectively bad so far. Not just worse than Jones, but worse than Zach Wilson and worse than Trevor Lawrence, neither of whom walked into ideal circumstances either. Heck, Fields has been worse than Davis Mills, and if you think the Bears' offensive depth chart is lacking, go check out the Texans' roster.
(Also worse than Trey Lance, but that sample size is way too small).

I totally get that Bears fans need to blame Fields' struggles on others. The franchise wagon is hitched to the guy for the next 4-5 years. and if he's not good, it will set the team back for a long, long time.
I'll say it again, none of this means Fields is doomed to be a bust or won't be the best QB of the 2021 draft class in three years. But he's struggled mightily, and much of those struggles are a result of his own deficiencies. Bring in a new coaching staff tomorrow, and those deficiencies don't go away. With the exact same coaching staff and same roster issues, Money Mitch never looked this bad and even went to the Pro Bowl in his first season with Nagy.

I’m no Bears fan, so I’m enjoying the comedy of it all.  I’m not saying Fields doesn’t have issues.  He does!  He’s in an impossible spot imo.  He’s probably a guy that needed the redshirt year this year but he’s with a staff that’s desperate to win now and worst of all, a bad staff.

The Trubisky pro bowl is worthless considering he was way down the pecking order. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 25, 2021, 06:07:09 PM
Adams has Covid as well, very likely he misses Thursday night (which sucks, I was really looking forward to seeing that game).

He catches everything, so I'm not too surprised.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 25, 2021, 06:40:44 PM
The Trubisky pro bowl is worthless considering he was way down the pecking order.

Fair, he was an alternate. But he also had a legitimately solid season ... #3 in the NFL in QBR, #16 in passer rating that year. And he did it with Taylor Gabriel and Tarik Cohen as his top pass catchers (Robinson missed several games with injuries).
My point is that while Nagy is bad, he's not so bad that it was fait accompli that Fields would be the worst starting QB in the NFL seven weeks into the season. I suspect the Bears fans who were calling for Fields to start from week one - and that would  be about 95 percent of them - believed this would be the outcome.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2021, 07:23:42 PM
Are the Panthers and Broncos kicking themselves yet for taking DBs ahead of Mac Jones?

Perhaps. Although Jaycee Horn was playing at a Pro Bowl level and the Panthers were undefeated when he got hurt.

It's hard to find a lock-down CB, and that's still what the Panthers think they have in Horn. But yes, it's harder still to find a franchise QB; time will tell if that's what Jones becomes. Lots of players on both sides of the ball have looked great against the Jets.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 25, 2021, 08:01:52 PM
Fair, he was an alternate. But he also had a legitimately solid season ... #3 in the NFL in QBR, #16 in passer rating that year. And he did it with Taylor Gabriel and Tarik Cohen as his top pass catchers (Robinson missed several games with injuries).
My point is that while Nagy is bad, he's not so bad that it was fait accompli that Fields would be the worst starting QB in the NFL seven weeks into the season. I suspect the Bears fans who were calling for Fields to start from week one - and that would  be about 95 percent of them - believed this would be the outcome.

I don't have PFF grades in front of me, but pretty sure that Mitch season had a better offensive line too
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 25, 2021, 08:19:57 PM
Lots of players on both sides of the ball have looked great against the Jets.

Including a bunch of Panthers.

Anyhow, Jones put up passer ratings of 119 and 101 against Dallas and Tampa, respectively.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 25, 2021, 08:52:41 PM
Mac Jones is working with Josh McDaniels.  Jones probably got better coaching at Alabama as well.  Some NFL people aren’t overly impressed with some of the coaching that occurs in Columbus.  Fields definitely has issues but he’s in an impossible spot imo.

You may be right. How could Fields look bad when surrounded by elite players at RB, WR, and the offensive line?

There is a long, long history of tOSU QBs taken in the 1st 4 rounds. Hard to find a good one in the NFL. Mike Tomczak may have been the "best" if that is the proper word here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 25, 2021, 09:03:39 PM
There is a long, long history of tOSU QBs taken in the 1st 4 rounds. Hard to find a good one in the NFL. Mike Tomczak may have been the "best" if that is the proper word here.

Craig Krenzel slander!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 25, 2021, 09:08:31 PM
Anyhow, Jones put up passer ratings of 119 and 101 against Dallas and Tampa, respectively.

He definitely has promise. If he continues along these lines, I'll definitely regret passing on him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 26, 2021, 03:36:42 AM
Adams wit da chit, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 26, 2021, 08:20:59 AM
Testing vaccinated, asymptomatic players is dumb.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 26, 2021, 08:32:20 AM
Testing vaccinated, asymptomatic players is dumb.

Vaccinated, asymptomatic players can still spread the virus.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on October 26, 2021, 08:45:02 AM
You may be right. How could Fields look bad when surrounded by elite players at RB, WR, and the offensive line?

There is a long, long history of tOSU QBs taken in the 1st 4 rounds. Hard to find a good one in the NFL. Mike Tomczak may have been the "best" if that is the proper word here.

They once said the same thing about Michigan -- until Tom Brady came along.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 26, 2021, 08:46:31 AM
Monoclonal antibodies and other therapeutics are the answer for symptomatic patients. Still contend covid is here to stay. Learn to live with that, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 26, 2021, 08:46:58 AM
Vaccinated, asymptomatic players can still spread the virus.

Eh, if they are symptomatic yes (although for a shorter amount of time.)  Asymptomatic?  Not settled.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html

"CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus."


And regardless, hardly any workplaces are regularly testing asymptomatic, vaccinated people.  Most schools aren't either.  And within a population that is mostly vaccinated, disease is rarely occurring.

BTW, this isn't about Adams, I have been saying that routinely testing vaccinated people makes no sense for awhile.  It is a misallocation of resources.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 26, 2021, 08:47:46 AM
Monoclonal antibodies and other therapeutics are the answer for symptomatic patients. Still contend covid is here to stay. Learn to live with that, hey?


Vaccines with boosters are the most important.  Just like the flu.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 26, 2021, 09:01:56 AM
Eh, if they are symptomatic yes (although for a shorter amount of time.)  Asymptomatic?  Not settled.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html

"CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus."


And regardless, hardly any workplaces are regularly testing asymptomatic, vaccinated people.  Most schools aren't either.  And within a population that is mostly vaccinated, disease is rarely occurring.

BTW, this isn't about Adams, I have been saying that routinely testing vaccinated people makes no sense for awhile.  It is a misallocation of resources.

More recent research (released Oct. 4):

A new study from the University of California, Davis, Genome Center, UC San Francisco and the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub shows no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It also found no significant difference between infected people with or without symptoms.
The findings underscore the continuing need for masking and regular testing alongside vaccination, especially in areas of high prevalence, the authors wrote.
...
When they analyzed the data, the researchers found wide variations in viral load within both vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, but not between them. There was no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated, or between asymptomatic and symptomatic groups.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people

The schools and workplaces comparison isn't really apt, since those places by and large require masking and some level of distancing, and the level of contact/interaction between people is quite a bit different than that in an NFL practice or game.
I don't have a dog in this fight one way or the other. If the league didn't test asymptomatic vaccinated players, that's fine. But NFL and NFLPA decided to be extra cautious with player safety (and, more importantly, to prevent a breakout that could impact the schedule). They decided it's better to lose a player for a week than an entire game. That doesn't seem unreasonable, based on what we know and don't know right now, much less stupid.
As for misallocation of resources, I think the NFL can afford it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 26, 2021, 09:16:25 AM
Eh, if they are symptomatic yes (although for a shorter amount of time.)  Asymptomatic?  Not settled.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html

"CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus."


And regardless, hardly any workplaces are regularly testing asymptomatic, vaccinated people.  Most schools aren't either.  And within a population that is mostly vaccinated, disease is rarely occurring.

BTW, this isn't about Adams, I have been saying that routinely testing vaccinated people makes no sense for awhile.  It is a misallocation of resources.

I'm glad you aren't involved in policy making. Your ideas are inconsistent with good public health policy and the science.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 26, 2021, 09:25:42 AM
I'm glad you aren't involved in policy making. Your ideas are inconsistent with good public health policy and the science.


LOL.  I am involved in policy making for a college that is surveillance testing the unvaccinated and testing the vaccinated only if symptomatic.  As of this morning, we have 1 active case in a community of over 2,000, and a positivity rate of .3%.  (Our population is about 80% vaccinated.)  Our positivity rate hasn't been above .5% since the semester started.

I know for a fact that the Packers are well over 95% vaccinated as a team and employer.

They are absolutely being over-cautious about this.  As are you.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 26, 2021, 09:27:50 AM
More recent research (released Oct. 4):

A new study from the University of California, Davis, Genome Center, UC San Francisco and the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub shows no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It also found no significant difference between infected people with or without symptoms.
The findings underscore the continuing need for masking and regular testing alongside vaccination, especially in areas of high prevalence, the authors wrote.
...
When they analyzed the data, the researchers found wide variations in viral load within both vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, but not between them. There was no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated, or between asymptomatic and symptomatic groups.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people

The schools and workplaces comparison isn't really apt, since those places by and large require masking and some level of distancing, and the level of contact/interaction between people is quite a bit different than that in an NFL practice or game.
I don't have a dog in this fight one way or the other. If the league didn't test asymptomatic vaccinated players, that's fine. But NFL and NFLPA decided to be extra cautious with player safety (and, more importantly, to prevent a breakout that could impact the schedule). They decided it's better to lose a player for a week than an entire game. That doesn't seem unreasonable, based on what we know and don't know right now, much less stupid.
As for misallocation of resources, I think the NFL can afford it.


Right from the study you posted:

"This study did not directly address how easily vaccinated people can get infected with SARS-CoV-2, or how readily someone with a breakthrough infection can transmit the virus."


Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 26, 2021, 09:40:31 AM

Right from the study you posted:

"This study did not directly address how easily vaccinated people can get infected with SARS-CoV-2, or how readily someone with a breakthrough infection can transmit the virus."

Right. We know the asymptomatic vaccinated carry the same viral load, we don't know whether they are any more or less likely to spread.
You, who has absolutely nothing to lose if there's an outbreak, say since we don't know, the NFL and its players should take their chances.
The NFL, which has a lot to lose if there's an outbreak, says since we don't know, it's not worth the risk of losing multiple players and, worst case, canceling a game.
You're free to disagree, but there's nothing unreasonable or stupid about the NFL and NFLPA decision here. I would imagine they're relying on much more knowledgeable experts than you or I in reaching these decisions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 26, 2021, 11:43:57 AM
As for The Great Joe Brady being a hot candidate for head-coaching jobs in the NFL and college football, I'm not even sure how good a candidate he is to keep the OC position for the Carolina Panthers.

From The Athletic:

While the Panthers pretty clearly have a problem at quarterback, there’s also some growing uneasiness in the organization with the guy calling the offensive plays.

Joe Brady was the next up-and-coming offensive coach when he arrived in Charlotte in 2020 as part of Matt Rhule’s inaugural staff, despite being one of the few assistants who’d never worked with Rhule. The 32-year-old Brady interviewed for five NFL head-coaching positions after the season, and made The Athletic’s 40 under 40 list, highlighting the league’s rising stars, each of the past two years.

Brady has been mentioned in connection with the pending vacancy at LSU, where Brady’s success with Joe Burrow during the Tigers’ national championship season prompted the Panthers to bring him on as Rhule’s offensive coordinator.

But Brady’s name came up in a much different context Monday when Rhule was asked whether he was considering removing Brady as the play caller.

“I wouldn’t say that that’s my thought right now,” he said. “But we have to get something fixed.”


It was at least the fifth time in the past 3 weeks that Rhule has either not publicly supported Brady when asked about him or outright criticized him.

Through 7 games, the Panthers' offense has scored 7 third-quarter points this season. They just scored only 3 points against a NYG defense that came in allowing 30 ppg.

Brady is not THE problem for the Panthers. There are many. But he is the guy in charge, and he is part of the problem.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 26, 2021, 02:17:25 PM
They once said the same thing about Michigan -- until Tom Brady came along.

Jim Harbaugh was the first Michigan QB to throw a TD pass in the NFL. But, before him, Michigan was a run first and second offense. Even after Harbaugh Bo was running out run first guys in Michael Taylor and Demitrious Brown. After Schembechler retired and Moeller and Carr opened up the offense UM started putting a number of QB's in the NFL who had much better careers than any OSU QB (Grbac, Collins, Brady, and Henne).

Urban's QB's were particularly bad in the NFL - Pryor (switched to WR), Troy Smith, Cardale Jones, JT Barrett, and Dwayne Haskins. It's hard to separate Fields from that group since it was all modern history.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 26, 2021, 02:24:06 PM
Jim Harbaugh was the first Michigan QB to throw a TD pass in the NFL. But, before him, Michigan was a run first and second offense. Even after Harbaugh Bo was running out run first guys in Michael Taylor and Demitrious Brown. After Schembechler retired and Moeller and Carr opened up the offense UM started putting a number of QB's in the NFL who had much better careers than any OSU QB (Grbac, Collins, Brady, and Henne).

Urban's QB's were particularly bad in the NFL - Pryor (switched to WR), Troy Smith, Cardale Jones, JT Barrett, and Dwayne Haskins. It's hard to separate Fields from that group since it was all modern history.


Neither Pryor nor Troy Smith played for Urban Meyer.

Alex Smith is probably the best NFL QB to play for Urban.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 26, 2021, 02:27:47 PM
As for The Great Joe Brady being a hot candidate for head-coaching jobs in the NFL and college football, I'm not even sure how good a candidate he is to keep the OC position for the Carolina Panthers.


Don't worry, Brady will probably end up at LSU next year. Another college guy whose schemes don't translate to the NFL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 26, 2021, 02:56:27 PM

Neither Pryor nor Troy Smith played for Urban Meyer.

Alex Smith is probably the best NFL QB to play for Urban.

similar styles but yeah, didn't play for Urban. But still, a long list of NFL busts from OSU.

You probably shouldn't have mentioned Alex Smith considering the approach taken to call out those who dared question Fields.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 26, 2021, 03:05:03 PM
similar styles but yeah, didn't play for Urban. But still, a long list of NFL busts from OSU.

You probably shouldn't have mentioned Alex Smith considering the approach taken to call out those who dared question Fields.


I'm not sure what you are talking about.  I called out your stating that "many analysts" called out Fields' work ethic.  That simply wasn't accurate.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 26, 2021, 03:12:35 PM
Urban's QB's were particularly bad in the NFL - Pryor (switched to WR), Troy Smith, Cardale Jones, JT Barrett, and Dwayne Haskins. It's hard to separate Fields from that group since it was all modern history.


Fields never played for Urban.

Helmet scouting is silly.
How many great QBs did Clemson produce until DeShaun Watson? Was Peyton Manning doomed to be a bust because he wore the same jersey as Heath Shuler? Is Is Joe Burrow going to be bad because of JaMarcus Russell?

Whatever Fields becomes, good or bad, it won't be because of where he played in college.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 26, 2021, 04:02:24 PM
#13 wit da chit two, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 26, 2021, 04:14:49 PM
Bring back James Lofton.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 26, 2021, 04:19:51 PM

Fields never played for Urban.

Helmet scouting is silly.
How many great QBs did Clemson produce until DeShaun Watson? Was Peyton Manning doomed to be a bust because he wore the same jersey as Heath Shuler? Is Is Joe Burrow going to be bad because of JaMarcus Russell?

Whatever Fields becomes, good or bad, it won't be because of where he played in college.

Before Aaron Rodgers, “Jeff Tedford” guys were all busts in the NFL. 

Can Joe Burrow be an Ohio State guy or does LSU get him?  Who gets Russell Wilson? 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on October 26, 2021, 04:23:53 PM
Before Aaron Rodgers, “Jeff Tedford” guys were all busts in the NFL. 

Can Joe Burrow be an Ohio State guy or does LSU get him?  Who gets Russell Wilson?

A whole pack of Badgers.  #phony
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 26, 2021, 04:28:37 PM
A whole pack of Badgers.  #phony

Won’t argue that
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 26, 2021, 05:28:36 PM
Who gets Russell Wilson?

You mean Russell Wilson, homegrown Badger great?  Madison's own son featured in all Wisconsin marketing materials and alumni lists despite being on campus for less time than Niv Berkowitz was in Milwaukee?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 26, 2021, 05:49:06 PM
You mean Russell Wilson, homegrown Badger great?  Madison's own son featured in all Wisconsin marketing materials and alumni lists despite being on campus for less time than Niv Berkowitz was in Milwaukee?

Badger legend.  He almost won a Rose Bowl
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 26, 2021, 06:02:46 PM
Before Aaron Rodgers, “Jeff Tedford” guys were all busts in the NFL. 

Can Joe Burrow be an Ohio State guy or does LSU get him?  Who gets Russell Wilson?

Come to think of it, Cam Newton was an Urban Meyer player. 
Who said Urban's QBs never have NFL success?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUeng on October 26, 2021, 06:56:58 PM
Come to think of it, Cam Newton was an Urban Meyer player. 
Who said Urban's QBs never have NFL success?
Tim Tebow did win a playoff game...took Peyton 2 years to do that in Denver
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 26, 2021, 07:30:11 PM
Tim Tebow did win a playoff game...took Peyton 2 years to do that in Denver

Lazard out for Packers - Covid. He hasn't tested positive, but wass\ a close contact of Davante.

A real 'team first  guy. :-\

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUeng on October 26, 2021, 07:54:23 PM
Lazard out for Packers - Covid. He hasn't tested positive, but wass\ a close contact of Davante.

A real 'team first  guy. :-\
crap. Dropping like flies. Hopefully WR Roders can step up, I'm excited for him
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on October 26, 2021, 08:04:08 PM

Fields never played for Urban.

Helmet scouting is silly.
How many great QBs did Clemson produce until DeShaun Watson? Was Peyton Manning doomed to be a bust because he wore the same jersey as Heath Shuler? Is Is Joe Burrow going to be bad because of JaMarcus Russell?

Whatever Fields becomes, good or bad, it won't be because of where he played in college.

Fields played in the same system as Day didn't change anything as he was the OC/QB coach under Meyer. When there's a trend when coming from the same system and style of play then yes, you can use that as a red flag of their abilities. Talent around them can also mask a lot of warts (USC QB's, Josh Rosen, AJ McCarron and Tua). Look at Klingler and Ware coming from the Run and Shoot in Houston.

Meanwhile, look at Josh Allen coming from a pro-style offense at Wyoming.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 26, 2021, 08:16:13 PM
Sit the whole team and take a bye.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 26, 2021, 08:16:29 PM
Fields played in the same system as Day didn't change anything as he was the OC/QB coach under Meyer. When there's a trend when coming from the same system and style of play then yes, you can use that as a red flag of their abilities. Talent around them can also mask a lot of warts (USC QB's, Josh Rosen, AJ McCarron and Tua). Look at Klingler and Ware coming from the Run and Shoot in Houston.

Meanwhile, look at Josh Allen coming from a pro-style offense at Wyoming.


Then there’s Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 26, 2021, 08:26:22 PM
Before Aaron Rodgers, “Jeff Tedford” guys were all busts in the NFL. 

Can Joe Burrow be an Ohio State guy or does LSU get him?  Who gets Russell Wilson?

There might be something to the Tedford thing - wasn’t he always with messing with guys releases or something? I think Rodgers spent a lot of that time behind Favre reforming his mechanics.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 26, 2021, 08:26:51 PM
Fields played in the same system as Day didn't change anything as he was the OC/QB coach under Meyer. When there's a trend when coming from the same system and style of play then yes, you can use that as a red flag of their abilities. Talent around them can also mask a lot of warts (USC QB's, Josh Rosen, AJ McCarron and Tua). Look at Klingler and Ware coming from the Run and Shoot in Houston.

Meanwhile, look at Josh Allen coming from a pro-style offense at Wyoming.

Allen wasn’t very good his first two years. He was the least accurate QB both years. I think Fields needs a little time before we say he’s a bust.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 26, 2021, 08:36:09 PM

Then there’s Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray…

Dak Prescott, DeShaun Watson, Derek Carr ... darn near impossible to find a good NFL quarterback who ran a spread scheme in college.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 26, 2021, 08:48:13 PM
Fields played in the same system as Day didn't change anything as he was the OC/QB coach under Meyer. When there's a trend when coming from the same system and style of play then yes, you can use that as a red flag of their abilities. Talent around them can also mask a lot of warts (USC QB's, Josh Rosen, AJ McCarron and Tua). Look at Klingler and Ware coming from the Run and Shoot in Houston.

Meanwhile, look at Josh Allen coming from a pro-style offense at Wyoming.

So now you're not only helmet scouting, but you're also "system" scouting. Both are bad ideas. Evaluate the player, not the team he plays for or the system he runs.

You know who else had a lot of talent around him in college? Joe Burrow. DeShaun Watson. Kyler Murray. Baker Mayfield. Matthew Stafford.
By the way, Josh Rosen played at UCLA, and had little talent around him.

As has been noted, Allen was not a good NFL quarterback until his third year. Despite the "pro-style" offense at Wyoming, he came into the league far less prepared than a whole bunch of spread QBs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 26, 2021, 08:57:51 PM
Re: Fields

https://twitter.com/ButkusStats/status/1452697900958486532?t=vKMNgeGf7RvaHUfgp5N7ww&s=19
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 26, 2021, 09:12:30 PM
Hope MVS can be back in line up Thursday night
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 27, 2021, 09:30:43 AM
Dak Prescott, DeShaun Watson, Derek Carr ... darn near impossible to find a good NFL quarterback who ran a spread scheme in college.


The fact that Billy had to go back to Dave Klingler and Andre Ware is LOL.

And both would find a much better match for their skills in today's NFL than when they entered the league nearly 30 years ago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on October 27, 2021, 01:32:36 PM
It gets better:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32486646/los-angeles-rams-owner-stan-kroenke-angers-nfl-owners-financial-pivot-related-lawsuit-st-louis-move-sources-say
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 27, 2021, 01:35:32 PM
And Andrew Brandt is really torching the league over the WFT stuff.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 27, 2021, 02:00:03 PM
It gets better:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32486646/los-angeles-rams-owner-stan-kroenke-angers-nfl-owners-financial-pivot-related-lawsuit-st-louis-move-sources-say

I, for one, am shocked to learn that Stan Kroenke looks out for no one other than Stan Kroenke.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 27, 2021, 03:01:01 PM
The degree to which the league and it's lawyers have bungled the entire St. Louis situation has been comical.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 27, 2021, 04:55:16 PM
It gets better:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32486646/los-angeles-rams-owner-stan-kroenke-angers-nfl-owners-financial-pivot-related-lawsuit-st-louis-move-sources-say
Very interesting to see how Jerry Jones is such a staunch supporter of Kroenke.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 27, 2021, 04:59:18 PM
Packers doing another stock offering.

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2021/10/27/nfl-approves-green-bay-packers-stock-sale-lambeau-field-improvements/8570051002/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 27, 2021, 05:16:25 PM
Packers doing another stock offering.

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2021/10/27/nfl-approves-green-bay-packers-stock-sale-lambeau-field-improvements/8570051002/

Pulling out all the stops to keep Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on October 27, 2021, 05:18:12 PM
Very interesting to see how Jerry Jones is such a staunch supporter of Kroenke.

The Dynamic duo has been going on a decade. Which owner do you think benefitted the most from Kroenke? Who do you think worked the room for Stan in the past?

That “Legends Hospitality” deal at Sofi Stadium is pretty nice. He gets the league value increase and deals without having to put in his own $$$.

In his deposition, Jones admitted he didn’t read the relocation guidelines, not did he care.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on October 27, 2021, 06:34:39 PM
The degree to which the league and it's lawyers have bungled the entire St. Louis situation has been comical.

There's no need to fear, St Louis man is here (soon)!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 27, 2021, 06:38:53 PM
I stand with Stan Kroenke
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on October 27, 2021, 09:00:40 PM
There's no need to fear, St Louis man is here (soon)!

Someone run up to the roof and light the Archman signal!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on October 27, 2021, 09:50:56 PM
Someone run up to the roof and light the Archman signal!

Archman.  Perfect.  The super hero we didn't know that we needed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 28, 2021, 05:59:55 AM
Archman.  Perfect.  The super hero we didn't know that we needed.

Oh we don’t. Believe me…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 28, 2021, 06:19:06 AM
Archman: Not the hero we need but the hero we deserve.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 28, 2021, 10:15:19 AM
Archman: Not the hero we need but the hero we deserve.

Bingo.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on October 28, 2021, 10:55:50 AM
Archman.  Perfect.  The super hero we didn't know that we needed.

Archman signal isn't working, but I'll send him a PM to get in here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 28, 2021, 08:09:09 PM
AJ Dillon coming into his own. Beastly 4th down conversion.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on October 28, 2021, 08:14:27 PM
AJ Dillon coming into his own. Beastly 4th down conversion.

Both running backs run hard as hell. Make yards out of absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 28, 2021, 08:23:27 PM
The Cardinals fans are called the Red Sea. Why would you name them after something that is most famous for being parted?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on October 28, 2021, 08:28:59 PM
Packers ball.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 28, 2021, 08:29:39 PM
Packers ball.

No doubt.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 28, 2021, 08:34:20 PM
Got too cute. Just run the ball.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 28, 2021, 08:34:29 PM
Not loving the play calling there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 28, 2021, 08:34:55 PM
Got too cute. Just run the ball.

That’s what I was screaming at the tv.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 28, 2021, 08:35:47 PM
Not running once on first and goal from the three, when your backs are getting yards all night, is not ideal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 28, 2021, 08:53:42 PM
If you told me we’d be up at half before the game, I’d be thrilled. Now, I’m a little bummed with the points we left on the field.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 28, 2021, 08:56:29 PM
Was the point of the Packers last drive to under no circumstance, let AZ get the ball back? That was one of the strangest 4 minute end of half drives I’ve ever seen.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 28, 2021, 09:03:28 PM
Was the point of the Packers last drive to under no circumstance, let AZ get the ball back? That was one of the strangest 4 minute end of half drives I’ve ever seen.

I think that was part of it. Also, just very limited options when passing the ball.

They don't want Arizona to be able to get any rhythm on offense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 28, 2021, 09:06:48 PM
I think that was part of it. Also, just very limited options when passing the ball.

They had first and ten from the fifty with 1:02 left, and they seemed more than content to just say “eff it”. Really weird.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 28, 2021, 09:11:46 PM
Young receivers have been really bad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 28, 2021, 09:12:40 PM
Now run it
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 28, 2021, 09:29:52 PM
Season ender. Young guys do stupid things.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 28, 2021, 09:33:18 PM
just make any kick into the end zone a touchback. not a single reason Hill should be taking that thing out. Didn't deserve to get hurt but just so unnecessary.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on October 28, 2021, 09:34:12 PM
The left leg/ankle of the guy on the cart looked odd.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 28, 2021, 09:40:43 PM
just make any kick into the end zone a touchback. not a single reason Hill should be taking that thing out. Didn't deserve to get hurt but just so unnecessary.

Agree. Hate to see guys on either team get hurt.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 28, 2021, 09:49:08 PM
I would think that a huge majority of GB fans are glad to know Bortles will not be on the field.


I don’t want Cobb. He is past his prime.

Just checking in.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 28, 2021, 09:55:40 PM
Just checking in.

He is. But he can still make a play now and then.

If you wanna argue, have at it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 28, 2021, 10:03:43 PM
Officials made a big error, Rodgers/Lafleur and I caught it. When Edmonds catches that ball on third down and goes out of bounds, the officials stopped the game clock. Clock stayed dead at 13:17, 38 seconds went off the play clock, so figure 35 seconds (3 seconds to count for the spot) should have come off the game clock.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 28, 2021, 10:04:02 PM
He is. But he can still make a play now and then.

If you wanna argue, have at it.

He is WR2 on the team.  I don't have to argue.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 28, 2021, 10:14:09 PM
He is WR2 on the team.  I don't have to argue.

Give me a list of WR2s who have gained fewer yards on the season if you can find any.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 28, 2021, 10:14:27 PM
Need to punch this one in. 6 point lead won’t do anything at this point.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 28, 2021, 10:27:30 PM
For the first time in 3 years, this will be on LaFleur if they lose.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 28, 2021, 10:28:36 PM
For the first time in 3 years, this will be on LaFleur if they lose.

Nope, on Rodgers. Didn't get the play off. I think because it was a running play and he didn't like it, tried to audible out.

Think LaFleur didn't want to chance it again, called a pass play so it would get off on 4th.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 28, 2021, 10:30:16 PM
I don’t know how that touchdown was overruled.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 28, 2021, 10:32:15 PM
Officials made a big error, Rodgers/Lafleur and I caught it. When Edmonds catches that ball on third down and goes out of bounds, the officials stopped the game clock. Clock stayed dead at 13:17, 38 seconds went off the play clock, so figure 35 seconds (3 seconds to count for the spot) should have come off the game clock.

Game should already be over.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 28, 2021, 10:32:29 PM
Wow.  I thought the game was over.  Hopefully Murray is okay.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 28, 2021, 10:33:24 PM
WTH was the Arizona reciever doing???!!!  Good grief.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 28, 2021, 10:33:36 PM
Wow. What a crazy ending.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 28, 2021, 10:34:33 PM
Fantastic concentration by Douglas. If he drops that, this game goes to OT.

Really great play.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on October 28, 2021, 10:34:50 PM
Feels like a long time ago that we were calling TOD on the entire Green Bay Packers franchise on 9/11/21.  5-1 with the injuries they've faced is a nice spot to be in.

📢
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 28, 2021, 10:35:17 PM
That was absolutely crazy.  Not Murray's fault at all.  Smh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 28, 2021, 10:35:56 PM
Nope, on Rodgers. Didn't get the play off. I think because it was a running play and he didn't like it, tried to audible out.

Think LaFleur didn't want to chance it again, called a pass play so it would get off on 4th.

The receivers lined up wrong.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 28, 2021, 10:36:32 PM
Really can't believe GB came out with a W there. Missing their top 3 WRs and top 2 CBs.

Against a SB contender.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 28, 2021, 10:37:12 PM
The receivers lined up wrong.

Well. Not the first time I'm wrong, and won't be the last.

In that case, really not on anyone but the WRs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 28, 2021, 10:37:33 PM
BTW there is no way Kyler Murray is 5'10.  Probably closer to 5'7.  :) 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 28, 2021, 10:38:04 PM
Don’t even know what to say.

But, wow, it’s really nice to have a defense that has been able to get turnovers.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 28, 2021, 10:38:10 PM
📢
Wasn’t it mostly bears fans hoping it into existence?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 28, 2021, 10:38:55 PM
Really can't believe GB came out with a W there. Missing their top 3 WRs and top 2 CBs.

Against a SB contender.

Their defense looked suspect to me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 28, 2021, 10:39:56 PM
BTW there is no way Kyler Murray is 5'10.  Probably closer to 5'7.  :)

I was watching the pregame show. Jay Glazer is listed at 5’9”. He can’t be a hair over 5’5”.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 28, 2021, 10:40:23 PM
Well. Not the first time I'm wrong, and won't be the last.

In that case, really not on anyone but the WRs.

Yeah and there was nothing Rodgers could do about it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 28, 2021, 10:41:03 PM
That’s also a gigantic win for the Packers. Conference win, tiebreaker edge going forward. Can’t understate how big this one is come seeding time. Very impressed, I thought they had a good shot tonight, and they found a way, and that’s all that matters.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 28, 2021, 10:44:45 PM
I was watching the pregame show. Jay Glazer is listed at 5’9”. He can’t be a hair over 5’5”.

5'5???  Cool!!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 28, 2021, 10:46:53 PM
Especially considering everything that went down this off-season, Rodgers has seemed the happiest he has ever been after wins.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 28, 2021, 10:47:19 PM
Signing vets is so important. Belichick has been doing it for years.

Can’t depend on young guys.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on October 28, 2021, 10:48:13 PM
Really can't believe GB came out with a W there. Missing their top 3 WRs and top 2 CBs.

Against a SB contender.

That was definitely an impressive win.

But the Cards are fraudulent contenders.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Mutaman on October 28, 2021, 11:17:07 PM
Great effort by the boys from Green Bay. But once again I have to operate under the assumption that I am the only one on the planet who knows what the word "incontrovertible" means- "not able to be denied or disputed".

And someone should tell Joe Buck that the criteria is not "clear cut". Can't these people read a rule book ?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 28, 2021, 11:53:18 PM
WTH was the Arizona reciever doing???!!!  Good grief.

The Valley Oops
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 28, 2021, 11:57:40 PM
The remaining 13 minutes would have played out differently with pace/play calling, but that extra 38 seconds definitely ended up helping the Packers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 29, 2021, 12:25:18 AM
That was definitely an impressive win.

But the Cards are fraudulent contenders.

Idk, they have some good wins against quality teams.

All credit to the Packers tonight, but their schedule had been incredibly soft so far.   I think the Bengals win will age pretty well, but their next best win was what, a Steelers team that will finish 4th in the AFC north? Lions, Niners, Bears, and WFT will all finish sub .500.  They were paper contenders if anything to this point but they came in and beat a top 3 NFC team on the road down a few guys, so that changes the narrative a bit.

Remember when AJ Green was a top 3 WR? Things change so damn fast at the skill positions
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on October 29, 2021, 01:09:58 AM
Great effort by the boys from Green Bay. But once again I have to operate under the assumption that I am the only one on the planet who knows what the word "incontrovertible" means- "not able to be denied or disputed".

And someone should tell Joe Buck that the criteria is not "clear cut". Can't these people read a rule book ?

I'm fairly confident that Jones did not score, but but was still surprised to see it overturned. Still, a fun, fluky win - take the money and run.

All of that being said, Thursday night football is trash and should be disbanded. Who knows which of the injuries that happened tonight would have always happened, but it's so hard to get the human body ready for football in 4 days. The Nuk and Tonyan injuries are the ones you see and wonder 'just maybe' the soft issue injuries don't happen with more time...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 29, 2021, 05:35:11 AM
Reely, ya kant qb sneek da length of a well hung johnson, at da goaline, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 29, 2021, 05:59:32 AM
Really can't believe GB came out with a W there. Missing their top 3 WRs and top 2 CBs.

Against a SB contender.

Plus Bakh, and Z
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on October 29, 2021, 06:08:58 AM
Reely, ya kant qb sneek da length of a well hung johnson, at da goaline, hey?

Yeah for real.  I thought it was especially funny when after the game Joe Buck said, "Masterful play calling by Matt Lafleur tonight".  As if he had just entirely forgotten about the last drive being stalled at the one yard line for four plays.  He has always had a bit of a goldfish brain though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on October 29, 2021, 06:20:26 AM
LeFleur did call a great game overall. I thought the first trip to the goal line where they forced a field goal was worse play calling than the last one. Last one AZ just made the plays they needed to.

Pack were also down their DC. Pretty good performance by the D, all things considered.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 29, 2021, 07:46:39 AM
Very happy with last nights big win over The Cards. Need to keep it up against The Chiefs.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 29, 2021, 07:54:44 AM
Per ESPN Stats, packers are third team to go 7-0 immediately following a 30 point loss. Other two went on to win super bowl.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 29, 2021, 08:38:18 AM
Rodgers continues to be the best player in the league
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 29, 2021, 08:38:37 AM
R-E-L-A-X
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 29, 2021, 08:47:42 AM
After what we saw last night, isn't it time to implement the XFL's kickoff rule?
It was run 400+ times with zero injuries and a 93 percent return rate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKk_FMeZgpo

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 29, 2021, 09:10:11 AM
Hmmm...  That's an interesting concept.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on October 29, 2021, 09:19:54 AM
After what we saw last night, isn't it time to implement the XFL's kickoff rule?
It was run 400+ times with zero injuries and a 93 percent return rate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKk_FMeZgpo

I'd onside kick every time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on October 29, 2021, 09:44:56 AM
I'd onside kick every time.

The rule is you have to announce it ahead of time and teams lineup accordingly (i.e. the current NFL way).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 29, 2021, 09:47:18 AM
After what we saw last night, isn't it time to implement the XFL's kickoff rule?
It was run 400+ times with zero injuries and a 93 percent return rate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKk_FMeZgpo

I actually really like that rule
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 29, 2021, 10:03:18 AM
Only if you bring back the original XFL "coin toss"
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on October 29, 2021, 10:12:12 AM
The rule is you have to announce it ahead of time and teams lineup accordingly (i.e. the current NFL way).

Plus imo there is almost no way that the onside kick as we know it exists 5-10 years from now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on October 29, 2021, 10:43:26 AM
After what we saw last night, isn't it time to implement the XFL's kickoff rule?
It was run 400+ times with zero injuries and a 93 percent return rate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKk_FMeZgpo

That seems fun and for non-Packers games, I would support it. I don’t want the Packers Special Teams to have to make anymore plays than they have to as that usually doesn’t go well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 29, 2021, 12:21:24 PM
Things don’t sound good for Tonyan.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on October 29, 2021, 02:13:54 PM
R-E-L-A-X

Exactly. All that wasted energy and angst after one game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on October 29, 2021, 02:17:50 PM
In my fantasy football league, this is the week that I'm playing the team that has Kyler Murray.  ;D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Loose Cannon on October 29, 2021, 03:08:08 PM
And Andrew Brandt is really torching the league over the WFT stuff.


So is Mike Florio on PFT.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 30, 2021, 10:48:29 AM
Nagy out tomorrow. Perfect passer rating for Fields coming?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 30, 2021, 11:03:38 AM
Nagy out tomorrow. Perfect passer rating for Fields coming?

Maybe he won’t get misinformation about “free” plays for a change
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUeng on October 30, 2021, 06:44:49 PM
Only if you bring back the original XFL "coin toss"
I could use a lil more Vince McMahon in my life too
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on October 30, 2021, 08:47:29 PM
In my fantasy football league, this is the week that I'm playing the team that has Kyler Murray.  ;D

Same.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 31, 2021, 12:49:23 PM
Fields has a really long way to go but that TD throw is part of the reason people have so much excitement about him.  Good lord that was special
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 31, 2021, 01:40:55 PM
Not lost on me the Bears scored on every first half possession without Nagy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 31, 2021, 01:47:24 PM
Owen
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 31, 2021, 02:19:01 PM
Owen


The Lions need to cut bait on Campbell like the Browns did on Kitchens.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 31, 2021, 02:34:11 PM
Welcome to the NFL Justin Fields, holy smokes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 31, 2021, 02:34:41 PM
Justin Vick
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 31, 2021, 02:39:28 PM
Save Fields from Nagy
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 31, 2021, 02:43:24 PM

The Lions need to cut bait on Campbell like the Browns did on Kitchens.

They won't for a while.   
(A) It is the Lions
(B) The players love his energy and passion.
(C) The local media is still getting off on that 'chew off their kneecaps' crap.
(D) Quinntricia was soooooo bad that he gets a couple of years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on October 31, 2021, 02:53:10 PM
OB and Hampton think the Bears should fire their entire coaching staff. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 31, 2021, 03:00:09 PM

The Lions need to cut bait on Campbell like the Browns did on Kitchens.

The difference is that Kitchens had a playoff caliber team (its not ALL that different of a roster now that Stefanski has in playoff/division contention) that was horrifically underachieving.  Campbell has a QB a good team could wait to get rid of, a hodge podge of recievers, and a really bad defense.

He and the Lions have been bad, but I don't think its more than a 3 win team in the best HC hands.

Save Fields from Nagy

This could not be going any worse for Nagy's already terrible perception.  Fields has looked much better and their offense has looked completely less pathetic.  Its still a hopeless team, but there is a different vibe for sure.  Put him on a bus back to KC
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 31, 2021, 03:06:24 PM
Stafford was the only thing keeping the Lions from multiple '0-and' seasons. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on October 31, 2021, 03:07:23 PM
I have no idea if the Browns are underachieving or they just aren’t good.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on October 31, 2021, 03:10:18 PM
I have no idea if the Browns are underachieving or they just aren’t good.

Wide receivers were bad today and the QB is playing with one arm.  That was a bizarre game
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on October 31, 2021, 03:29:18 PM
A tie for Tennessee would be as good as a win in this game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 31, 2021, 04:02:54 PM


This could not be going any worse for Nagy's already terrible perception.  Fields has looked much better and their offense has looked completely less pathetic.  Its still a hopeless team, but there is a different vibe for sure.  Put him on a bus back to KC


Nagy needs to go, but it won’t really matter unless Pace goes with him. That offensive line is a joke. Pace’ plan to fix it was to draft an injured guy in the 2nd round. When you give all that draft capital away every few years in a futile effort to find a QB without having anyone who knows how to coach a QB, you are just sinking the team even more.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on October 31, 2021, 04:06:01 PM
And giving up almost 500 yards to THAT offense?

The pendulum is definitely not swinging upwards.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on October 31, 2021, 04:15:37 PM
Jameis Winston's knee should not bend that way.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 31, 2021, 07:07:56 PM

Nagy needs to go, but it won’t really matter unless Pace goes with him. That offensive line is a joke. Pace’ plan to fix it was to draft an injured guy in the 2nd round. When you give all that draft capital away every few years in a futile effort to find a QB without having anyone who knows how to coach a QB, you are just sinking the team even more.

Eh, I thought Larry Borom was actually really encouraging on the right side.

Played well week one before he got injured and played well again today to where they actually had to move Bosa to the middle instead of the edge.

Other then that, yea blow up the offensive line. But it’s a bit unfair to rag on Jenkins this early.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 31, 2021, 07:44:40 PM
Eh, I thought Larry Borom was actually really encouraging on the right side.

Played well week one before he got injured and played well again today to where they actually had to move Bosa to the middle instead of the edge.

Other then that, yea blow up the offensive line. But it’s a bit unfair to rag on Jenkins this early.

I think whitehair is a solid piece
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on October 31, 2021, 07:59:54 PM
Win by the Saints tightens that division race up .

Bucs had an incredible amount of penalties . They have to eliminate those if they want to make progress in the playoffs
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 31, 2021, 08:15:57 PM
Eh, I thought Larry Borom was actually really encouraging on the right side.

Played well week one before he got injured and played well again today to where they actually had to move Bosa to the middle instead of the edge.

Other then that, yea blow up the offensive line. But it’s a bit unfair to rag on Jenkins this early.

Jenkins was actually a very good pick, had first round talent and has tons of potential.  Injuries happen, its not like a chronic thing all through college that continues to be an issue.  His back problem in college was completely different.  The surgery was routine and successful and he should be back this season.

But yes, Borom has potential. Whitehair has been reliable, but the main issue is the rest of their tackles are horrid.  Simmons and Wilkinson are just guys at best, stink out loud at worst.  Jason Peters should be put on an ice flow and pushed out to sea.  Ifedi was mediocre before he got injured.

Shockingly the Bears draft this year looks decent.  Fields and Jenkins are high upside.  And Borom and Herbert have been good in limited action, which is all you can ask for out of late round picks. 

Pace still needs to be talking to movers come January
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 31, 2021, 08:27:59 PM
Jenkins was actually a very good pick, had first round talent and has tons of potential.  Injuries happen, its not like a chronic thing all through college that continues to be an issue.  His back problem in college was completely different.  The surgery was routine and successful and he should be back this season.

But yes, Borom has potential. Whitehair has been reliable, but the main issue is the rest of their tackles are horrid.  Simmons and Wilkinson are just guys at best, stink out loud at worst.  Jason Peters should be put on an ice flow and pushed out to sea.  Ifedi was mediocre before he got injured.

Shockingly the Bears draft this year looks decent.  Fields and Jenkins are high upside.  And Borom and Herbert have been good in limited action, which is all you can ask for out of late round picks. 

Pace still needs to be talking to movers come January

Do you have more info/explanation on the bolded?

Can you also define "routine" in the context of elective spinal surgery?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 31, 2021, 09:14:39 PM
Do you have more info/explanation on the bolded?

Can you also define "routine" in the context of elective spinal surgery?

The reports were his OSU back issue were a lumbar strain.  The more current, Bears training camp injury that necessitated the surgery had a nerve component (i read various articles saying he had some accompanying nerve pain down his leg).  From what I could find/read at the time, his surgery was a microdisectomy, which is removing problematic disc that is compressing the spinal nerves.

As for routine, its probably the most common spinal surgery.  It wasn't some unique or severely chronic injury, it was a very common surgery that has a relatively quick recovery time in comparison.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on October 31, 2021, 09:34:21 PM
The reports were his OSU back issue were a lumbar strain.  The more current, Bears training camp injury that necessitated the surgery had a nerve component (i read various articles saying he had some accompanying nerve pain down his leg).  From what I could find/read at the time, his surgery was a microdisectomy, which is removing problematic disc that is compressing the spinal nerves.

As for routine, its probably the most common spinal surgery.  It wasn't some unique or severely chronic injury, it was a very common surgery that has a relatively quick recovery time in comparison.

Thanks.

I never saw anything differentiating his college injury vs this injury.

I also never saw a definitive diagnosis or surgical procedure
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on October 31, 2021, 10:42:32 PM
Thanks.

I never saw anything differentiating his college injury vs this injury.

I also never saw a definitive diagnosis or surgical procedure

The Bears were pretty tight lipped about it to the press, but they did specifically state that his training camp/pro back issue was different than the issue in college.  Nagy and Pace both publiclly said his surgery was a common one that was successful. 

The rest I found when I was digging into some other sources.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on October 31, 2021, 10:43:01 PM
Whoever calls the plays for Minnesota should be looking for work tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 01, 2021, 08:14:30 AM
Jameis Winston out for the year.  Derrick Henry likely out for the year.  Woof
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 01, 2021, 08:28:09 AM
Whoever calls the plays for Minnesota should be looking for work tomorrow.


Klint Kubiak, who definitely didn't get the job because his dad retired.

Anyway, the problem is Zimmer.

https://vikingsterritory.com/2021/general-news/the-case-for-firing-zimmer-pt-1-the-offensive-coordinator
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 01, 2021, 08:28:56 AM
Jameis Winston out for the year.  Derrick Henry likely out for the year.  Woof


And yesterday I had just come to the conclusion that Tennessee is the best team in the AFC.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 01, 2021, 09:29:05 AM

And yesterday I had just come to the conclusion that Tennessee is the best team in the AFC.

It’s Buffalo.  Probably
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 01, 2021, 09:35:51 AM
Jameis Winston out for the year.  Derrick Henry likely out for the year.  Woof

Like I posted when it happened, his knee is not supposed to bend that way.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 01, 2021, 10:23:55 AM
Jameis Winston out for the year.  Derrick Henry likely out for the year.  Woof

Wow. I saw that Winston was done, but I didn't even know about Henry getting hurt. I guess I didn't watch the wrap-up shows at the right time.

Devastating for the Titans, who as FBM said might have been the best team in the conference. Looks like that's Buffalo ... at least for now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 01, 2021, 10:36:07 AM

Klint Kubiak, who definitely didn't get the job because his dad retired.

Anyway, the problem is Zimmer.

https://vikingsterritory.com/2021/general-news/the-case-for-firing-zimmer-pt-1-the-offensive-coordinator

At least the writer of the article died before the season started so he didn't have to watch the Queens this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 01, 2021, 11:33:52 AM
Von Miller to the Rams.  Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 01, 2021, 11:42:44 AM
Von Miller to the Rams.  Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

A 2nd and a 3rd this year, SHEESH.  Rams going for it.

Donald on the inside with Von Miller on the outside, and a revitalized Leonard Floyd opposite him, is terrifying.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 01, 2021, 11:46:47 AM
Jenkins was actually a very good pick, had first round talent and has tons of potential.  Injuries happen, its not like a chronic thing all through college that continues to be an issue.  His back problem in college was completely different.  The surgery was routine and successful and he should be back this season.

But yes, Borom has potential. Whitehair has been reliable, but the main issue is the rest of their tackles are horrid.  Simmons and Wilkinson are just guys at best, stink out loud at worst.  Jason Peters should be put on an ice flow and pushed out to sea.  Ifedi was mediocre before he got injured.


If Jenkins was a 1st round talent, some team would have taken him in the 1st round. Left tackle is a premium position.

As much as Peters has gone downhill, he is still the best tackle on the Bears. Thank you, Mr. Pace.

As for people saying the offensive line played well, I think maybe you were watching the wrong game. “Playing well” does not mean having more than a dozen plays for loss against a depleted defense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 01, 2021, 11:59:51 AM
Von Miller to the Rams.  Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
They want someone to chase down Murray.   And Brady again, if needed.  And AR.   The arms race among the NFC SB contenders begins.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 01, 2021, 12:03:34 PM
I thought Von Miller was on a pretty steady decline. Was I wrong on that?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 01, 2021, 12:25:31 PM
A 2nd and a 3rd this year, SHEESH.  Rams going for it.

Donald on the inside with Von Miller on the outside, and a revitalized Leonard Floyd opposite him, is terrifying.

Definitely a good move for LA.

But I think it was a very good move for Denver, as well. Miller didn't figure in their plans and they get 2 high draft picks to help in their re-build.


The Bears could learn a little something here. Quit trading draft picks (4 1sts, 3 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 5th, and 1 6th) for Trubiskey, Mack, and Fields. Plus a 6th rounder for a returner who does zero to help a losing team.

Start acquiring draft picks. Do it now. You need offensive line help. The defense is getting worse by the day with only 2 quality guys left. Hicks, Mack, Trevathan are just shells of what they used to be. If there was ever a time for a fire sale, this is it.

Fields, Roquan, and Jalen should be the ONLY untouchables.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 01, 2021, 12:33:03 PM
Definitely a good move for LA.

But I think it was a very good move for Denver, as well. Miller didn't figure in their plans and they get 2 high draft picks to help in their re-build.


The Bears could learn a little something here. Quit trading draft picks (4 1sts, 3 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 5th, and 1 6th) for Trubiskey, Mack, and Fields. Plus a 6th rounder for a returner who does zero to help a losing team.

Start acquiring draft picks. Do it now. You need offensive line help. The defense is getting worse by the day with only 2 quality guys left. Hicks, Mack, Trevathan are just shells of what they used to be. If there was ever a time for a fire sale, this is it.

Fields, Roquan, and Jalen should be the ONLY untouchables.

Mack is a shell?

Edit: www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/pff-ranks-bears-khalil-mack-no-6-best-player-nfl%3famp
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 01, 2021, 12:34:26 PM
I guess relative to the All Consuming World Destroyer Mack was a few years ago he's not that. He's still a helluva player that every time in the league would be thrilled to line up for them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 01, 2021, 12:40:41 PM
Definitely a good move for LA.

But I think it was a very good move for Denver, as well. Miller didn't figure in their plans and they get 2 high draft picks to help in their re-build.


The Bears could learn a little something here. Quit trading draft picks (4 1sts, 3 3rds, 2 4ths, 1 5th, and 1 6th) for Trubiskey, Mack, and Fields. Plus a 6th rounder for a returner who does zero to help a losing team.

Start acquiring draft picks. Do it now. You need offensive line help. The defense is getting worse by the day with only 2 quality guys left. Hicks, Mack, Trevathan are just shells of what they used to be. If there was ever a time for a fire sale, this is it.

Fields, Roquan, and Jalen should be the ONLY untouchables.

it's really only a 2nd, as Von will almost certainly get a 3rd back as a comp pick if he leaves. So if he stays in LA, you get a key piece, or its a 2nd for a high-end rental.

Still a lot in my mind, but not out of this world. This is the type of move a contender should make in a wide open field.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 01, 2021, 12:46:14 PM
it's really only a 2nd, as Von will almost certainly get a 3rd back as a comp pick if he leaves. So if he stays in LA, you get a key piece, or its a 2nd for a high-end rental.

Still a lot in my mind, but not out of this world. This is the type of move a contender should make in a wide open field.

Especially since the recipe to beat GB has been the same for a long time. Pressure 12 with your front 4 and play coverage. Rodgers will hold the ball too long, take sacks, get flustered, and press, and the game is over. I guess this year maybe with Jones/Quadfather GB might, might, *might*, try to run their way out of that defensive scheme, but adding Miller to the LA line is a clear chess move to make them better suited to crush GB in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUeng on November 01, 2021, 01:23:54 PM
I thought Von Miller was on a pretty steady decline. Was I wrong on that?
not that far off. Denver is mediocre at best, Von is 32 and currently injured. good deal for LA making a run this year though. Like someone said, he was probably gone after this year anyway
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 01, 2021, 01:24:23 PM
Mack is a shell?

Edit: www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/pff-ranks-bears-khalil-mack-no-6-best-player-nfl%3famp

His numbers dropped a lot in 2019 & 2020. He’s been hurt off & on this year.

When fully healthy, he’s still a top 2 or 3 LB. he hasn’t been for a while.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 01, 2021, 01:30:06 PM
If Jenkins was a 1st round talent, some team would have taken him in the 1st round. Left tackle is a premium position.

As much as Peters has gone downhill, he is still the best tackle on the Bears. Thank you, Mr. Pace.

As for people saying the offensive line played well, I think maybe you were watching the wrong game. “Playing well” does not mean having more than a dozen plays for loss against a depleted defense.

Thats hilariously simplistic.  Aaron Rodgers was a top 10 talent talked about as the top pick overall that almost fell out of the first round. DK Metcalf was a first round talent that went in the second round cause people thought he worked out too much.    It happens every year for any number of reasons.  He went 9 picks into the second round, maybe cause people in the 20s didn't like that he had an injury late in his career.  Its not like they are saying 1st round talent about a 4th round pick.

Nobody is saying the line played well.  They said Borom has played pretty well.  But if you have 1 lineman playing exceptionally and the other 4 stink, your line is still garbage. 

I guess relative to the All Consuming World Destroyer Mack was a few years ago he's not that. He's still a helluva player that every time in the league would be thrilled to line up for them.

Right, also the Bears are in a completely different place now than they were 3-4 seasons ago.  With a decent QB and a competent coach that was a team that was ready to win.  Using moves from back then in the lens of the 2021 Bears is quite flawed.

If Mack is a shell, he's still at minimum a red shell from Mario Kart.  Dude was a 2nd team All Pro last year and made his 6th straight Pro Bowl.  Stop digging man
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 01, 2021, 01:56:34 PM
The Packers should call the Bears on Akiem Hicks. The cap space, his remaining 2021 salary just barely fits (but it does fit). The Bears front office is too meatbally to do it though.

He's the player on the Bears roster, if I was a contending GM, I'd be calling about. LAC makes way too much sense. NE would have to get a little creative and shed a little over $1 million to make it happen, but Hicks has played there before.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 01, 2021, 03:12:28 PM
Thats hilariously simplistic.  Aaron Rodgers was a top 10 talent talked about as the top pick overall that almost fell out of the first round. DK Metcalf was a first round talent that went in the second round cause people thought he worked out too much.    It happens every year for any number of reasons.  He went 9 picks into the second round, maybe cause people in the 20s didn't like that he had an injury late in his career.  Its not like they are saying 1st round talent about a 4th round pick.

Metcalf didn't fall to the second round because people believed he worked out too much. He dropped because he had suffered a serious, potentially career-ending neck injury in college and there were questions about his ability to develop into a receiver who could run the full route tree. Those questions still exist, by the way, but he's so good at the things he can do that those deficiencies can be masked.

As for Jenkins, he slipped because there are questions about his ability to play the left side in the NFL. He's an absolute mauler, but has short arms for a tackle and at times struggled with speed rushers off the edge. Last year, for example, Joseph Ossai (Bengals 3rd round pick out of Texas) had three sacks and 6 TFLs when matched up against Jenkins.
The reality is he went right in the range of where he was projected to go. And nobody knows until he actually plays 15-20 games whether or not that was a good pick.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 01, 2021, 05:52:21 PM
I like the Von Miller pick up by the Rams. They are the favorite now to win the NFC
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 01, 2021, 05:58:40 PM
I like the Avon Miller pick up by the Rams. They are the favorite now to win the NFC

What is she selling for them?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 01, 2021, 08:28:50 PM
What is she selling for them?

Pink Caddys still, I think.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 02, 2021, 08:05:58 AM
What is she selling for them?
Correction noted
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 02, 2021, 08:20:07 AM
Why fix it?  Riffs off of typos make the world a happier place.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 02, 2021, 09:40:15 AM
Things are going great in Cleveland.

Odell Beckham Sr. appears to be sending a message that Odell Beckham Jr. wants out of Cleveland before today’s NFL trade deadline.
Beckham Sr. posted a video on Instagram that blamed his son’s lack of production in Cleveland on Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield, showing highlights of plays on which Beckham got open and Mayfield failed to deliver the ball to him.
The words, “Every missed opportunity Odell was open” appeared on the screen before the collection of Mayfield lowlights. In the comments on his video, Beckham Sr. agreed with a fan who said that Mayfield just doesn’t want to get Beckham Jr. the ball.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/02/odell-beckham-sr-posts-video-putting-blame-for-his-sons-lack-of-production-on-baker-mayfield/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 02, 2021, 09:52:53 AM
Things are going great in Cleveland.

Odell Beckham Sr. appears to be sending a message that Odell Beckham Jr. wants out of Cleveland before today’s NFL trade deadline.
Beckham Sr. posted a video on Instagram that blamed his son’s lack of production in Cleveland on Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield, showing highlights of plays on which Beckham got open and Mayfield failed to deliver the ball to him.
The words, “Every missed opportunity Odell was open” appeared on the screen before the collection of Mayfield lowlights. In the comments on his video, Beckham Sr. agreed with a fan who said that Mayfield just doesn’t want to get Beckham Jr. the ball.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/02/odell-beckham-sr-posts-video-putting-blame-for-his-sons-lack-of-production-on-baker-mayfield/

Best part is he thought this would help.

Thanks, Dad!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 02, 2021, 09:54:02 AM
Things are going great in Cleveland.

Odell Beckham Sr. appears to be sending a message that Odell Beckham Jr. wants out of Cleveland before today’s NFL trade deadline.
Beckham Sr. posted a video on Instagram that blamed his son’s lack of production in Cleveland on Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield, showing highlights of plays on which Beckham got open and Mayfield failed to deliver the ball to him.
The words, “Every missed opportunity Odell was open” appeared on the screen before the collection of Mayfield lowlights. In the comments on his video, Beckham Sr. agreed with a fan who said that Mayfield just doesn’t want to get Beckham Jr. the ball.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/02/odell-beckham-sr-posts-video-putting-blame-for-his-sons-lack-of-production-on-baker-mayfield/
Is Beckham still considered an elite receiver? If answer is yes, then maybe Packers should inquire.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 02, 2021, 09:55:08 AM
Is Beckham still considered an elite receiver? If answer is yes, then maybe Packers should inquire.

I'm sure they are, but I'm comfortable with what the Packers have at WR currently.  I'd much rather have some DL help.  The pass rush is pretty atrocious.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 02, 2021, 10:00:06 AM
I'm not one to be like "OBJ is a cancer" or a team killer or whatever.  But I do believe the Browns in their current iteration are a terrible fit for him.  He wants a lot of looks and touches, which is fine, and he's coming back from injury, which is also fine.  But the Stefanski Browns are a run first team, with a tremendous running attack.  Baker isn't slinging the ball around.  He's only averaging a bit over 30 attempts a game since Stefanski came over, and thats including pretty substantial involvement from RBs in the passing game. 

So you have a former stud WR trying to get your mojo back, on a team where you have a reliable guy like Landry who Baker has had since he became a starter and DPJ who is coming on strong...its just not a great fit.

Sure his Dad popping off is dumb and a distraction.  There clearly isn't some agenda by Baker to not get him the ball. But I actually understand it from an underlying football perspective.

Is Beckham still considered an elite receiver? If answer is yes, then maybe Packers should inquire.

Elite?  Not right now in current form, but the potential is still there.  He's not even 30 yet.

I don't know what kind of draft capital they have or would offer, or how they feel about the season without Jameis, but the Saints make A LOT of sense. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 02, 2021, 10:11:23 AM
https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1455546633060560903

Dianna Russini
@diannaESPN
The Cleveland Browns have no plans on trading Odell Beckham Jr. by today’s trade deadline, per sources.
I was told there haven’t been any offers that would make sense for the organization.



Well, that ended that saga quickly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 02, 2021, 10:12:42 AM
Honestly, Allen Robinson for OBJ makes a lot of sense.

Browns get a receiver back, OBJ gets to leave Cleveland and Robinson would be happy leaving Chicago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 02, 2021, 10:42:29 AM
I'm sure they are, but I'm comfortable with what the Packers have at WR currently.  I'd much rather have some DL help.  The pass rush is pretty atrocious.


I think the pass rush is going to come from Mercillus and Z'darius coming back.

I think they trade for a TE with Tonyan getting hurt.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 02, 2021, 11:18:02 AM
I'm not saying this to pick on anyone, but most people assume you can trade someone in the NFL with no issue, and completely forget the salary cap.

Without slicing $3 million elsewhere, there's zero chance the Packers could trade for OBJ (as an example, I'm not picking on the Packers here by any means). OBJ's remaining cap hit this year is nearly $8 million. The question isn't should the Browns trade OBJ, the question is who needs him AND can afford him. Cincy/Pitt/LAC/Wash/Car/Sea/Den/Jax/Phil...those are the teams that could trade for him, but why would any of them do so?

It's the same reason Allen Robinson isn't going anywhere, no team is taking on $9 million for the rest of 2021.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 02, 2021, 11:54:15 AM
Packers are releasing Jaylon Smith, per Schefter
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 02, 2021, 12:03:47 PM
Packers are releasing Jaylon Smith, per Schefter

Yup, he's done.  Dallas just figured it out first.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 02, 2021, 12:40:52 PM
Packers are releasing Jaylon Smith, per Schefter
He has no instincts for the game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 02, 2021, 12:58:27 PM
Raiders WR Henry Ruggs involved in fatal crash this morning in Vegas, going to be charged with DUI involving death.
Oof.
Don't drink and drive, kids.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on November 02, 2021, 01:11:17 PM
Packers are releasing Jaylon Smith, per Schefter

Per Silverstein, GB is making roster space for "when they activate WR Davante Adams this week, they have room to also activate LT David Bakhtiari and WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 02, 2021, 01:22:00 PM
MO Supreme Court denies NFL’s effort to relocate the Rams case. It’s settlement or trial in January.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 02, 2021, 01:57:15 PM
Best part is he thought this would help.

Thanks, Dad!

I'm sure OBJ's youth and high school coaches loved dad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 02, 2021, 03:14:16 PM
I'm sure OBJ's youth and high school coaches loved dad.

TayMay says hi.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 02, 2021, 03:20:03 PM
I'm not saying this to pick on anyone, but most people assume you can trade someone in the NFL with no issue, and completely forget the salary cap.

Without slicing $3 million elsewhere, there's zero chance the Packers could trade for OBJ (as an example, I'm not picking on the Packers here by any means). OBJ's remaining cap hit this year is nearly $8 million. The question isn't should the Browns trade OBJ, the question is who needs him AND can afford him. Cincy/Pitt/LAC/Wash/Car/Sea/Den/Jax/Phil...those are the teams that could trade for him, but why would any of them do so?

It's the same reason Allen Robinson isn't going anywhere, no team is taking on $9 million for the rest of 2021.

I have not read up on this, but was mildly surprised that what the Broncos did with Von Miller was permissible under NFL cap rules - they absorbed all but effectively the min in order to maximize their asset return. If this was permissible for Von, would it not be for OBJ? Legitimately curious - I want nothing to do with OBJ in Green Bay unless he's coming to patch up the hole in the wall.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 02, 2021, 03:32:14 PM
I have not read up on this, but was mildly surprised that what the Broncos did with Von Miller was permissible under NFL cap rules - they absorbed all but effectively the min in order to maximize their asset return. If this was permissible for Von, would it not be for OBJ? Legitimately curious - I want nothing to do with OBJ in Green Bay unless he's coming to patch up the hole in the wall.

Broncos had $15 million available in cap space, other than extend guys on their roster now, best thing they could have done was use it to buy draft picks.

Cleveland had approx $9 mil available. Could they have done it? Sure, but the odds of them releasing OBJ tomorrow? Probably high.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Loose Cannon on November 02, 2021, 10:51:55 PM
MO Supreme Court denies NFL’s effort to relocate the Rams case. It’s settlement or trial in January.

Thanks for the Updates.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 02, 2021, 10:58:49 PM
Raiders release Ruggs (literally as the World Series ended).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 03, 2021, 09:52:26 AM
 Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
Sources: #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers tested positive for COVID-19 and is out for Sunday’s game against the #Chiefs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 03, 2021, 10:05:03 AM
Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
Sources: #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers tested positive for COVID-19 and is out for Sunday’s game against the #Chiefs.

Is he vaccinated? On Dan Patrick they have conflicting info as to whether he is or not.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 03, 2021, 10:07:39 AM
Is he vaccinated? On Dan Patrick they have conflicting info as to whether he is or not.

Based on him being out, I would assume he’s not.

Not sure what it would mean if he was vaccinated and having symptoms. Maybe that means he is automatically out due to needing to quarantine.

He’s definitely not vaccinated/a symptomatic since that would mean he could still get 2 negative tests like Adams could have.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 03, 2021, 10:09:16 AM
Raiders release Ruggs (literally as the World Series ended).

This made Ray Lewis laugh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 03, 2021, 10:11:42 AM
Rodgers statement that "Yeah, I've been immunized" back in late August suddenly looking a bit interesting.

EDIT: Ian Rapoport now reporting he's not vaxxed  :o
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 03, 2021, 10:19:13 AM
In hindsight, it should not surprise us that chemtrails guy was not vaccinated.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Babybluejeans on November 03, 2021, 10:19:25 AM
You Packer folks can draw a straight line between a likely loss and Rodgers’ idiotic decision not to vaccinate (if true).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 03, 2021, 10:26:08 AM
More interesting is if he is indeed unvaxxed, he's been lying and skirting protocol.  He's been unmasked on the sidelines and in press conferences which isn't allowed if you're not vaccinated, I believe.  I was seeing that if thats indeed the case, he's liable to be suspended for the rest of the season for breaking protocols.  But I'm sure the NFL will just sanction UWGB instead
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2021, 10:30:17 AM
Rodgers is a lying fraud?  Here’s my shocked face
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 03, 2021, 10:33:00 AM
More interesting is if he is indeed unvaxxed, he's been lying and skirting protocol.  He's been unmasked on the sidelines and in press conferences which isn't allowed if you're not vaccinated, I believe.  I was seeing that if thats indeed the case, he's liable to be suspended for the rest of the season for breaking protocols.  But I'm sure the NFL will just sanction UWGB instead

Question though: Why would he stop lying now? If he's unvaccinated and had somehow convinced the team that he was, what changed that forced him to come clean? I would have thought he'd just maintain the ruse. "Dang breakthrough, stupid delta variant." that kind of thing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 03, 2021, 10:34:19 AM
So the NFL isn't requiring proof of vaccinations for players?  They're just taking them at their word, evidently until they test positive?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 03, 2021, 10:36:10 AM
Question though: Why would he stop lying now? If he's unvaccinated and had somehow convinced the team that he was, what changed that forced him to come clean? I would have thought he'd just maintain the ruse. "Dang breakthrough, stupid delta variant." that kind of thing.

Cause he's Aaron Rodgers and runs GB so people took him for his word but now he couldn't provide proof of vaccination once he tested positive?

No clue, but its been amusing watching the same people who buried Kyrie trying to spin this all (not saying you personally, obviously)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 03, 2021, 10:40:15 AM
Cause he's Aaron Rodgers and runs GB so people took him for his word but now he couldn't provide proof of vaccination once he tested positive?

No clue, but its been amusing watching the same people who buried Kyrie trying to spin this all (not saying you personally, obviously)

Probably fair. He's got psychopathic-smartest-guy-in-the-room syndrome and has for a long time. Jordan Love is gonna get two starts at least because 10 days from today is the Saturday before the Seahawks game too.

What a mope.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 03, 2021, 10:41:31 AM
More interesting is if he is indeed unvaxxed, he's been lying and skirting protocol.  He's been unmasked on the sidelines and in press conferences which isn't allowed if you're not vaccinated, I believe.  I was seeing that if thats indeed the case, he's liable to be suspended for the rest of the season for breaking protocols.  But I'm sure the NFL will just sanction UWGB instead

Someone speculated it’s only inactive players needing to wear a mask on the sidelines. Not sure if that’s valid.

No clue on the press conferences.

I was honesty more surprised at the thought of him being vaccinated than unvaccinated. He’s gotten into some interesting stuff in the name of broadening his horizons the last few years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 03, 2021, 10:42:04 AM
So the NFL isn't requiring proof of vaccinations for players?  They're just taking them at their word, evidently until they test positive?


If true, that would seem to mean that their Covid protocols were not protocols at all.

Just the NFL’s PR machine running a ‘cover your a$$’ operation.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 03, 2021, 10:42:56 AM
If I were a Packers fan, I'd be pretty pissed. If he was vaxxed and this was a breakthrough case, it happens. But now he might miss two games, protocol says he can't do anything until Saturday November 13th. Packers are very lucky that this weekend's game is against an AFC team, and the Nov 14th game is at home and a late afternoon start.

If in the next 48 hours the entire Packers QB room is out for Sunday, would they just forfeit Sunday's game? Probably not, the league only has three late afternoon games, and obviously has been heavily marketing Rodgers/Mahomes. What will probably happen is another farce of a game like last year when Denver started Kendall Hinton off the street.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 03, 2021, 10:44:25 AM
If I were a Packers fan, I'd be pretty pissed. If he was vaxxed and this was a breakthrough case, it happens. But now he might miss two games, protocol says he can't do anything until Saturday November 13th. Packers are very lucky that this weekend's game is against an AFC team, and the Nov 14th game is at home and a late afternoon start.

If in the next 48 hours the entire Packers QB room is out for Sunday, would they just forfeit Sunday's game? Probably not, the league only has three late afternoon games, and obviously has been heavily marketing Rodgers/Mahomes. What will probably happen is another farce of a game like last year when Denver started Kendall Hinton off the street.

Randall Cobb emergency QB is my guess.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2021, 10:46:19 AM
Randall Cobb emergency QB is my guess.

The QB will be whoever Rodgers wants to be QB
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 03, 2021, 10:46:40 AM
 Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
My understanding is that Aaron Rodgers has been following protocols for unvaccinated players while inside the building.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2021, 10:50:27 AM
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
My understanding is that Aaron Rodgers has been following protocols for unvaccinated players while inside the building.

Packers brass leaking a lot to Rap
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 03, 2021, 10:52:18 AM
Packers brass leaking a lot to Rap

Can't imagine they're pleased.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on November 03, 2021, 10:55:50 AM
I would provide this as evidence point #12 Rodgers is NOT “all in for the Packers” this year.   Selfish…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 03, 2021, 10:59:32 AM
Like I said all offseason, should've given the guy what he wanted.  Didn't want to be here?  Fair enough.  You have the best WR in football, one of the best RB groups in football, one of the best offensive lines in football, and you've spent draft and money capitol on your defense for the last number of years now, and you'd get a king's ransom for Rodgers.  If the guy you traded up in the first round to take is not good enough to at the very least manage the game enough to win in the NFC North, then that's on you for your lack of ability to identify talent.

Instead we're going to get a guy who wouldn't vaccinate himself causing the Packers to lose their chance at a 1 seed, probably lose a road NFC Title game, and then see the QB and the WR walk for nothing.

Excellent.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 11:06:46 AM
And you thought people didn't like Rodgers before?

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo daddy.

I'm surprised his crystals didn't keep Covid at bay!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 03, 2021, 11:09:19 AM
Like I said all offseason, should've given the guy what he wanted.  Didn't want to be here?  Fair enough.  You have the best WR in football, one of the best RB groups in football, one of the best offensive lines in football, and you've spent draft and money capitol on your defense for the last number of years now, and you'd get a king's ransom for Rodgers.  If the guy you traded up in the first round to take is not good enough to at the very least manage the game enough to win in the NFC North, then that's on you for your lack of ability to identify talent.

Instead we're going to get a guy who wouldn't vaccinate himself causing the Packers to lose their chance at a 1 seed, probably lose a road NFC Title game, and then see the QB and the WR walk for nothing.

Excellent.

I honestly don’t think the Packers could have done anything to motivate Rodgers to get vaccinated. Listening to some of his McAfee stuff, he seems to be diving into some conspiracy theories to come off as an intellectual. I also believe his fiancé is very much into natural medicine.

I don’t take Rodgers not being vaccinated as some indictment against Packers management.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 03, 2021, 11:09:30 AM
So the NFL isn't requiring proof of vaccinations for players?  They're just taking them at their word, evidently until they test positive?

Lazar's people handled AR's documentation paperwork.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on November 03, 2021, 11:11:50 AM
And you thought people didn't like Rodgers before?

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo daddy.

I'm surprised his crystals didn't keep Covid at bay!

Nah.  Not getting vaccinated will make him MORE popular in the 920.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 03, 2021, 11:16:02 AM
I am absolutely speechless about this idiot. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 03, 2021, 11:17:26 AM
I totally get the unhappiness with Rodgers right now, but anyone who thinks this team is above .500 right now without him is out of their minds.
You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and then you have a legit Super Bowl contender.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 03, 2021, 11:20:59 AM
I totally get the unhappiness with Rodgers right now, but anyone who thinks this team is above .500 right now without him is out of their minds.
You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and then you have a legit Super Bowl contender.

Unless you trade him and get 2-3 starting caliber players and you get 2 first round draft choices.  Then you're set up for another decade of dominating the NFC North.  It doesn't take a ton to win games in the North.

Now, lose Davante and Rodgers and get nothing in return?  Then yes, you're probably .500 at best.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 11:21:56 AM
Nah.  Not getting vaccinated will make him MORE popular in the 920.

Eh, just as many in the 414 and 715.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 11:23:36 AM
I totally get the unhappiness with Rodgers right now, but anyone who thinks this team is above .500 right now without him is out of their minds.
You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and then you have a legit Super Bowl contender.

You're usually smart.

The OL is top notch, the RBs are top notch, the best WR in the NFL plays for the Packers.  Defense is currently top 10 ranked.

.500 is a streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 03, 2021, 11:25:19 AM
Unless you trade him and get 2-3 starting caliber players and you get 2 first round draft choices.  Then you're set up for another decade of dominating the NFC North.  It doesn't take a ton to win games in the North.

Now, lose Davante and Rodgers and get nothing in return?  Then yes, you're probably .500 at best.

But was anyone really going to give them that? This is all pretty speculative.

Dude wins football games. Dude is a lunatic. Like someone said before, you take the good with the bad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on November 03, 2021, 11:26:15 AM
ESPN reporting Rodgers had some alternate treatment he requested they accept as a vaccine but he was refused and practiced unvaxxed protocols (other than press conferences).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 03, 2021, 11:29:15 AM
You're usually smart.

The OL is top notch, the RBs are top notch, the best WR in the NFL plays for the Packers.  Defense is currently top 10 ranked.

.500 is a streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch.

You don't beat Arizona, San Francisco or Cincy with Jordan Love or Jimmy Garoppolo at QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 03, 2021, 11:29:42 AM
But was anyone really going to give them that? This is all pretty speculative.

Dude wins football games. Dude is a lunatic. Like someone said before, you take the good with the bad.

The Rams gave up their starting quarterback, 2 first round picks, and a second round pick for Matthew Stafford.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 03, 2021, 11:29:53 AM
Ruggs was going 156 (!!!!) MPH two seconds before the crash, made impact at 127 MPH. BAC was more than 2x legal limit, and loaded gun in his car.

He should get the max penalty of 20 years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 03, 2021, 11:31:11 AM
ESPN reporting Rodgers had some alternate treatment he requested they accept as a vaccine but he was refused and practiced unvaxxed protocols (other than press conferences).

Hahahahaha <gasp> hahahahaha

Bet it was this fraudster: https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/napa-woman-arrested-fake-covid-19-immunization-and-vaccine-card-scheme

"According to court documents, Mazi offered homeoprophylaxis immunizations for childhood illnesses that she falsely claimed would satisfy the immunization requirements for California schools, and falsified immunization cards that were submitted by parents to California schools. Homeoprophylaxis involves the exposure of an individual to dilute amounts of a disease, purportedly to stimulate the immune system and confer immunity. Mazi is alleged to have falsely claimed that orally ingesting pellets with small amounts of COVID-19 would result in full lifelong immunity from COVID-19."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 03, 2021, 11:32:21 AM
I'm a Packers fan, but wow it's amazing when someone validates your incredibly low opinion of them in real time. Well done 12, well done.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 03, 2021, 11:32:36 AM
Ruggs was going 156 (!!!!) MPH two seconds before the crash, made impact at 127 MPH. BAC was more than 2x legal limit, and loaded gun in his car.

He should get the max penalty of 20 years.

Jesus.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 03, 2021, 11:32:52 AM
Hahahahaha <gasp> hahahahaha

Bet it was this fraudster: https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/napa-woman-arrested-fake-covid-19-immunization-and-vaccine-card-scheme

"According to court documents, Mazi offered homeoprophylaxis immunizations for childhood illnesses that she falsely claimed would satisfy the immunization requirements for California schools, and falsified immunization cards that were submitted by parents to California schools. Homeoprophylaxis involves the exposure of an individual to dilute amounts of a disease, purportedly to stimulate the immune system and confer immunity. Mazi is alleged to have falsely claimed that orally ingesting pellets with small amounts of COVID-19 would result in full lifelong immunity from COVID-19."

Wonder if Rocket is his dentist?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 03, 2021, 11:36:30 AM
I totally get the unhappiness with Rodgers right now, but anyone who thinks this team is above .500 right now without him is out of their minds.
You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and then you have a legit Super Bowl contender.


Right.  That's what makes it especially annoying. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 11:36:33 AM
You don't beat Arizona, San Francisco or Cincy with Jordan Love or Jimmy Garoppolo at QB.

Disagree.  They would have changed the entire offensive plan though.  Plus 12 wouldn't be swapping to passes half the game.

The run game in GB is criminally underrated.  Jones and Dillon have been averaging 4.5 per carry.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on November 03, 2021, 11:37:57 AM
Excuse my ignorance but  Rodgers is not vaccinated?  I thought the NFL required players to be vaccinated? 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 11:38:23 AM
Excuse my ignorance but  Rodgers is not vaccinated?  I thought the NFL required players to be vaccinated?

There is no requirement for NFL players.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 03, 2021, 11:38:50 AM
Ruggs was going 156 (!!!!) MPH two seconds before the crash, made impact at 127 MPH. BAC was more than 2x legal limit, and loaded gun in his car.

He should get the max penalty of 20 years.

and that still wouldn't be enough.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 03, 2021, 11:40:38 AM
Excuse my ignorance but  Rodgers is not vaccinated?  I thought the NFL required players to be vaccinated?

Don’t have to be vaccinated, but you are under strict protocols if you aren’t. Not sure how well Rodgers was abiding by those.

Sounds like he was at a Halloween party with the team this weekend, which would break the “no 10-15 person indoor parties without a mask” rule.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 03, 2021, 11:41:24 AM
Ruggs was going 156 (!!!!) MPH two seconds before the crash, made impact at 127 MPH. BAC was more than 2x legal limit, and loaded gun in his car.

He should get the max penalty of 20 years.

Welp, I guess we know why the Raiders released him so quickly. Kid was having a bit of a breakout season, too, and pissed it all away. Sad for him, much sadder for the victim.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 03, 2021, 11:41:40 AM
Disagree.  They would have changed the entire offensive plan though.  Plus 12 wouldn't be swapping to passes half the game.

The run game in GB is criminally underrated.  Jones and Dillon have been averaging 4.5 per carry.


They don't get those yards without Rodgers at QB though.  KC is going to play much closer to the line unless Love shows he can beat them.

The idea that they are still serious contenders without Rodgers is absolutely false.  Unless Jordan Love is much better than I think he is, it will clearly be a step down when he takes over.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on November 03, 2021, 11:41:52 AM
There is no requirement for NFL players.

Oh.....alright.  I guess I was out of the loop.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 03, 2021, 11:44:20 AM
Ruggs and Rodgers.     Do stupid (stuff), pay the price.     AR may drag his whole team down with him.   He showed us. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 11:46:06 AM

They don't get those yards without Rodgers at QB though.  KC is going to play much closer to the line unless Love shows he can beat them.

The idea that they are still serious contenders without Rodgers is absolutely false.
  Unless Jordan Love is much better than I think he is, it will clearly be a step down when he takes over.

Pak said they'd be under .500. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 03, 2021, 11:47:16 AM
A random question.   If the worst case scenario were to happen to Rodgers, what would the Packers financial obligation be to his family and estate?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 03, 2021, 11:48:16 AM
Disagree.  They would have changed the entire offensive plan though.  Plus 12 wouldn't be swapping to passes half the game.

The run game in GB is criminally underrated.  Jones and Dillon have been averaging 4.5 per carry.

That 4.5 ypc average would be good for a four-way tie for 11th in the NFL. That ain't winning you games.

Packer fans really are spoiled when it comes to your QB play. You've got a generational talent who's carried the franchise for more than a decade and don't have a clue of how lucky you are. So what, he's a bit of an a--hole. About 30 other NFL fanbases would trade places with you in a nanosecond. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 03, 2021, 11:51:50 AM
Pak said they'd be under .500. 


If they aren't serious contenders, I would prefer them to be under .500.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 03, 2021, 11:53:17 AM
A random question.   If the worst case scenario were to happen to Rodgers, what would the Packers financial obligation be to his family and estate?

One subject to litigation, probably.

If the Rodgers estate were to make a wrongful death claim, he'd have a pretty uphill climb to demonstrate that anything the Packers did was causative of his death.

I suspect, though do not know, that NFL contracts contain language defining obligations to players in the event of their death before expiration of the contract. The starting point would be there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 11:54:19 AM
That 4.5 ypc average would be good for a four-way tie for 11th in the NFL. That ain't winning you games.

Packer fans really are spoiled when it comes to your QB play. You've got a generational talent who's carried the franchise for more than a decade and don't have a clue of how lucky you are. So what, he's a bit of an a--hole. About 30 other NFL fanbases would trade places with you in a nanosecond.

Obviously.  Also, non-Packer fans saying that the Packers are spoiled are hilarious.  Maybe being conference champs is big for a lot of fan bases, but imagine having two HOF QBs back to back for 30 years and have two Super Bowl wins to show for it. 

4.5 ypc average is in a vacuum as well.  I'm saying they're capable running backs, and even when they're getting first downs and decent gains, the Packers start passing... and frequently ending drives as a result.  Either way, of course the Packers would be worse with Love at the helm. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
A random question.   If the worst case scenario were to happen to Rodgers, what would the Packers financial obligation be to his family and estate?

MAYBE the rest of the guaranteed money on his contract.  Likely, zero though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 03, 2021, 12:02:41 PM
Lazar's people handled AR's documentation paperwork.
You won the internet today
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 03, 2021, 12:03:58 PM
Ruggs was going 156 (!!!!) MPH two seconds before the crash, made impact at 127 MPH. BAC was more than 2x legal limit, and loaded gun in his car.

He should get the max penalty of 20 years.

Freaking yikes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 03, 2021, 12:05:19 PM
Obviously.  Also, non-Packer fans saying that the Packers are spoiled are hilarious.  Maybe being conference champs is big for a lot of fan bases, but imagine having two HOF QBs back to back for 30 years and have two Super Bowl wins to show for it. 

This is not remotely the fault of said HOF QBs.
If you want to be salty about how the organization has let those QBs down, by all means. But being pissy about the QB because he doesn't worship at the altar of Green Bay makes no sense to us non-Packer fans.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 03, 2021, 12:07:17 PM
I honestly don’t think the Packers could have done anything to motivate Rodgers to get vaccinated. Listening to some of his McAfee stuff, he seems to be diving into some conspiracy theories to come off as an intellectual. I also believe his fiancé is very much into natural medicine.

I don’t take Rodgers not being vaccinated as some indictment against Packers management.

Don’t you think management was responsible for playing along and not enforcing the league protocols? Wouldn’t he be required to wear a mask when in the facilities? Doesn’t this also fall on Gutey and Murphy for allowing him to skirt the rules?

I understand ARod’s persona as the “look at me, I am picked on guy”. Didn’t bother me anymore than Brady or Jeter being the “I’m so generic I will never say anything that isn’t bland guy”. Everyone has their own motivation.

But this is a real reason to lose all respect for ARod.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 03, 2021, 12:09:29 PM
Don’t you think management was responsible for playing along and not enforcing the league protocols? Wouldn’t he be required to wear a mask when in the facilities? Doesn’t this also fall on Gutey and Murphy for allowing him to skirt the rules?

I understand ARod’s persona as the “look at me, I am picked on guy”. Didn’t bother me anymore than Brady or Jeter being the “I’m so generic I will never say anything that isn’t bland guy”. Everyone has their own motivation.

But this is a real reason to lose all respect for ARod.


LaFleur said that the NFL reviews the handling of protocols within the building, including cameras that have been installed all over the place, and the Packers haven't be reprimanded. Let's see if that remains the case however.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 12:09:57 PM
This is not remotely the fault of said HOF QBs.
If you want to be salty about how the organization has let those QBs down, by all means. But being pissy about the QB because he doesn't worship at the altar of Green Bay makes no sense to us non-Packer fans.

I'm very aware.  But that isn't what you said. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 03, 2021, 12:13:10 PM
Don’t you think management was responsible for playing along and not enforcing the league protocols? Wouldn’t he be required to wear a mask when in the facilities? Doesn’t this also fall on Gutey and Murphy for allowing him to skirt the rules?

I understand ARod’s persona as the “look at me, I am picked on guy”. Didn’t bother me anymore than Brady or Jeter being the “I’m so generic I will never say anything that isn’t bland guy”. Everyone has their own motivation.

But this is a real reason to lose all respect for ARod.

My comment was more tied to him not being vaccinated.

I don’t think we have proof the Packers didn’t enforce protocols. It sounds like in the building Rodgers was operating as an unvaccinated person. Who knows if the NFL let him slide on some protocols as part of the back and forth on the alternate treatment.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 03, 2021, 12:13:44 PM
I'm very aware.  But that isn't what you said.

It's exactly what I said.
I wrote "Packer fans really are spoiled when it comes to your QB play," to which you responded that the team has won only two Super Bowls.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 03, 2021, 12:15:37 PM
Bill Michaels reporting that Rodgers got the AZ vaccine in Canada last winter. AZ is not accepted by the NFL.

More information to come, I'm sure.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 03, 2021, 12:15:44 PM
Like I said all offseason, should've given the guy what he wanted.  Didn't want to be here?  Fair enough.  You have the best WR in football, one of the best RB groups in football, one of the best offensive lines in football, and you've spent draft and money capitol on your defense for the last number of years now, and you'd get a king's ransom for Rodgers.  If the guy you traded up in the first round to take is not good enough to at the very least manage the game enough to win in the NFC North, then that's on you for your lack of ability to identify talent.

Instead we're going to get a guy who wouldn't vaccinate himself causing the Packers to lose their chance at a 1 seed, probably lose a road NFC Title game, and then see the QB and the WR walk for nothing.

Excellent.





Yeah butt, Love sucks major ass, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 03, 2021, 12:17:39 PM
Bill Michaels reporting that Rodgers got the AZ vaccine in Canada last winter. AZ is not accepted by the NFL.

More information to come, I'm sure.

Wasn't Canada closed to US travel then?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 03, 2021, 12:19:39 PM
On Ruggs…

How is he alive?
How did he not crash earlier?
How did he find a stretch of road to get up to 156 mph?
Where did he go after Top Golf?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 03, 2021, 12:20:41 PM
Wasn't Canada closed to US travel then?

Not sure, but he was definitely in Canada in February with Shailene.

Bill Michaels also isn't the most reputable source.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 03, 2021, 12:21:12 PM
Bill Michaels reporting that Rodgers got the AZ vaccine in Canada last winter. AZ is not accepted by the NFL.

More information to come, I'm sure.

When Broadway reopened Canadians and Europeans with the AZ vaccine were originally not allowed into theatres but the policy was reversed as it had been approved by the WHO. I find it strange that he went to Canada to be vaccinated but if what Michaels is saying is true then I don't see an issue with what he did, and it is likely just a breakthrough case, though I need proof considering travel restrictions.

https://deadline.com/2021/06/springsteen-on-broadway-astrazeneca-policy-reverse-vaccine-international-fans-1234778394/

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 03, 2021, 12:25:45 PM
On Ruggs…

How is he alive?
How did he not crash earlier?
How did he find a stretch of road to get up to 156 mph?
Where did he go after Top Golf?

And he had a passenger in his car.  I understand that person was likely influenced by alcohol as well, but how in the world does someone get into a car with someone who is in that state?  And how do you let someone in that state get behind the wheel of a car?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 03, 2021, 12:29:54 PM
My comment was more tied to him not being vaccinated.

I don’t think we have proof the Packers didn’t enforce protocols. It sounds like in the building Rodgers was operating as an unvaccinated person. Who knows if the NFL let him slide on some protocols as part of the back and forth on the alternate treatment.

But the media availability and press conferences are in the building, and Rodgers was never masked for those
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 03, 2021, 12:30:51 PM
Benkert has covid as well.

Bortles to the rescue.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 12:31:08 PM
It's exactly what I said.
I wrote "Packer fans really are spoiled when it comes to your QB play," to which you responded that the team has won only two Super Bowls.

Right, and then you implied that I blame the two HOF QBs for the lack of Super Bowls.  Which would be a ridiculous stance to take.

Of course Packer fans are spoiled on the QB front, but what has back to back HOF QBs got them?  Two Super Bowls in 30 years.

I think a lot of NFL fans think it is fun to watch your team win, but don't understand how it feels to get your high hopes crushed annually.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 12:32:22 PM
Wasn't Canada closed to US travel then?

“When you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 03, 2021, 12:35:21 PM
Wasn't Canada closed to US travel then?

no, they loosened restrictions in February:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2021/02/government-of-canada-expands-restrictions-to-international-travel-by-land-and-air.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 03, 2021, 12:39:41 PM
My comment was more tied to him not being vaccinated.

I don’t think we have proof the Packers didn’t enforce protocols. It sounds like in the building Rodgers was operating as an unvaccinated person. Who knows if the NFL let him slide on some protocols as part of the back and forth on the alternate treatment.

Thanks.

Guess we’ll find out more as the day goes on.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 03, 2021, 12:43:27 PM
But the media availability and press conferences are in the building, and Rodgers was never masked for those

That’s why I said that if reports of being unvaccinated are true, management will pay a price as well.

If he got the AZ vaccine, this is all nothing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 03, 2021, 12:45:44 PM
“When you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”

Some people always make it about politics - especially those who make the accusations about others.

No surprise.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 03, 2021, 12:48:47 PM
That’s why I said that if reports of being unvaccinated are true, management will pay a price as well.

If he got the AZ vaccine, this is all nothing.

In his presser, Lafleur says the NFL has cameras and have not informed the Packers of any violations. Packers and NFL knew he wasn’t vaccinated, so either he’s been fined a ton or they don’t view pressers as a breach of protocol.

If it was the AZ vaccine, I’d have a lot more respect for him. Rappaport told the McAfee it was a natural and homeopathic treatment, so I’m guessing it wasn’t the AZ vaccine.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 03, 2021, 12:49:21 PM
Bill Michaels reporting that Rodgers got the AZ vaccine in Canada last winter. AZ is not accepted by the NFL.

More information to come, I'm sure.


He deleted his tweet stating this so...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 12:49:49 PM
Some people always make it about politics - especially those who make the accusations about others.

No surprise.

lmao, I was wondering who would take the bait.  It was only a joke, but filled with truth.

Rules don't apply to the rich and famous, regardless of their political affiliation.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 03, 2021, 12:50:25 PM
no, they loosened restrictions in February:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2021/02/government-of-canada-expands-restrictions-to-international-travel-by-land-and-air.html

If he was vaccinated with AZ in February, he should be commended. People in his demographic were not eligible for ANY vaccine in the US yet.

I guess this is why we need facts rather than speculation. He was either very responsible or he was completely duplicitous. We don’t really know yet.

Fortunately, we have Scoop -where facts only get in the way of a good thread.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 12:50:47 PM
Benkert has covid as well.

Bortles to the rescue.

I thought you were joking about Bortles.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 03, 2021, 12:53:05 PM
lmao, I was wondering who would take the bait.  It was only a joke, but filled with truth.

Rules don't apply to the rich and famous, regardless of their political affiliation.

My post was tongue-in-cheek, obviously.

I, too, wanted to see who would take the bait. JFK Jr. will straighten out this mess when he gets time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 03, 2021, 12:55:41 PM

He deleted his tweet stating this so...

Unsurprising. Never trust Bill Michaels.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 03, 2021, 12:58:23 PM
If he was vaccinated with AZ in February, he should be commended. People in his demographic were not eligible for ANY vaccine in the US yet.

I guess this is why we need facts rather than speculation. He was either very responsible or he was completely duplicitous. We don’t really know yet.

Fortunately, we have Scoop -where facts only get in the way of a good thread.

He was treated as unvaccinated around the facility.  He had some weird vague "immunized" answer to vaccinated.  Multiple sources have said he was unvaccinated.  Why are we even hypothetically pretending he went above and beyond to get the vaccine well ahead of time and proposing commendation in that instance?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 03, 2021, 12:58:41 PM
In his presser, Lafleur says the NFL has cameras and have not informed the Packers of any violations. Packers and NFL knew he wasn’t vaccinated, so either he’s been fined a ton or they don’t view pressers as a breach of protocol.

If it was the AZ vaccine, I’d have a lot more respect for him. Rappaport told the McAfee it was a natural and homeopathic treatment, so I’m guessing it wasn’t the AZ vaccine.

So he took water.

Best case scenario he took water. Worst case it was some kind of poison that was supposed to be water but was prepared by woo woo fraudsters who don't have quality controls.

Smart fella.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 03, 2021, 01:03:37 PM
He was treated as unvaccinated around the facility.  He had some weird vague "immunized" answer to vaccinated.  Multiple sources have said he was unvaccinated.  Why are we even hypothetically pretending he went above and beyond to get the vaccine well ahead of time and proposing commendation in that instance?

Conclusions are best reached when we have all of the facts. That’s why the first word in my post was “if”.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 03, 2021, 01:03:44 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/KingJosiah54/status/1455918876181426189?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 03, 2021, 01:09:24 PM
I thought you were joking about Bortles.

I was not.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 03, 2021, 01:19:16 PM
I have admire Rodgers' determination; he has spent the entirety of 2021 proving to the world what a self-centered a$$hole he is.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 03, 2021, 01:30:10 PM
Rodgers said he was serious about his opposition to a 17 game season; I just thought week 1 was his week off.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 03, 2021, 01:31:13 PM
Now, I look back and chuckle about him not being worried about getting Covid from Adams. That was the first time I really thought he was vaccinated.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 03, 2021, 01:53:03 PM
Guess we can rule him out of contention to host Jeopardy, huh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 01:54:57 PM
Guess we can rule him out of contention to host Jeopardy, huh.

Mayim Bialik is also cut from the same cloth, so... maybe?  Why did they not just go with Ken Jennings?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 03, 2021, 02:33:50 PM
So he took water.

Best case scenario he took water. Worst case it was some kind of poison that was supposed to be water but was prepared by woo woo fraudsters who don't have quality controls.

Smart fella.

well, if it's Russel Wilson's magic water he could be playing this week.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 03, 2021, 02:48:26 PM
Mayim Bialik is also cut from the same cloth, so... maybe?  Why did they not just go with Ken Jennings?

Because of this ...
“Nothing sadder than a hot person in a wheelchair”
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 03, 2021, 02:55:54 PM
Guess da 'vid owns #12, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 03, 2021, 03:42:27 PM
Aaron Rodgers stinks on Daylight Savings.  Definitely a conspiracy going on here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 03, 2021, 04:14:05 PM
Re: Ruggs

Much like Tiger, I will never understand millionaire athletes not having a driver 24/7 or at least available to drive you.

I also thought I read the NFLPA provides a driver any time for any player for any reason
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on November 03, 2021, 04:29:00 PM
Re: Ruggs

Much like Tiger, I will never understand millionaire athletes not having a driver 24/7 or at least available to drive you.

I also thought I read the NFLPA provides a driver any time for any player for any reason

I know the Browns used to do that. I googled it, and came up with this article (https://www.nfl.com/news/most-nfl-teams-offer-players-safe-rides-programs-09000d5d81acc5fa) which is admittedly quite old. The NFLPA apparently took this over from the NFL and the teams.

Unfortunately, I also found this article (https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shutdown-corner/nflpa-nfl-let-safe-rides-program-lapse-players-141542535--nfl.html") (also admittedly quite old). The NFL and NFLPA let the program lapse. Hard to believe. A very quick search didn't find anything more current than that.

That said, I'm in full agreement with you. The players have plenty of money and Uber is inexpensive. I can't understand why they would risk everything to avoid paying $50 for a ride home.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 03, 2021, 04:31:40 PM
That said, I'm in full agreement with you. The players have plenty of money and Uber is inexpensive. I can't understand why they would risk everything to avoid paying $50 for a ride home.
Because you are young. And rich. Any indestructible.

...and very, very drunk.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 03, 2021, 04:46:49 PM
I have admire Rodgers' determination; he has spent the entirety of 2021 proving to the world what a self-centered a$$hole he is.

Cheated his teammates, organization and fans.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Mutaman on November 03, 2021, 04:47:32 PM
Conclusions are best reached when we have all of the facts.

But such a rule would mean the end of social media.
In any event I am still waiting for "all of the facts" when it comes to why Buzz left, the Hausers' affair, and the Keefe incident.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 03, 2021, 04:48:51 PM
Because of this ...
“Nothing sadder than a hot person in a wheelchair”

I mean, that was stupid, but in a few years, no one will be bulletproof with the things they've said.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 03, 2021, 07:28:24 PM
Re: Ruggs

Much like Tiger, I will never understand millionaire athletes not having a driver 24/7 or at least available to drive you.

I also thought I read the NFLPA provides a driver any time for any player for any reason

Not just any player.

Literally any employee of teams. Could be a damn intern.

Mind blowing the players don’t use it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 03, 2021, 09:24:28 PM
Re: Ruggs

Much like Tiger, I will never understand millionaire athletes not having a driver 24/7 or at least available to drive you.

I also thought I read the NFLPA provides a driver any time for any player for any reason

It was reported that the Raiders have a car service on call for their players too. I gotta imagine that if Ruggs had called in and asked for them to send a driver for his 'Vette they'd have sent an extra guy to handle that too.

Tragic in so many ways. Utterly inexcusable. So many lives shattered.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: withoutbias on November 03, 2021, 10:00:57 PM
But such a rule would mean the end of social media.
In any event I am still waiting for "all of the facts" when it comes to why Buzz left, the Hausers' affair, and the Keefe incident.

??
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 03, 2021, 10:34:03 PM
It was reported that the Raiders have a car service on call for their players too. I gotta imagine that if Ruggs had called in and asked for them to send a driver for his 'Vette they'd have sent an extra guy to handle that too.

Tragic in so many ways. Utterly inexcusable. So many lives shattered.

That’s what the service is.

2 people come. 1 takes the car.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Mutaman on November 03, 2021, 10:48:33 PM
??
See The Superbar Thread
 Tough Guy Keefe/Mazos
« on: June 30, 2021, 12:29:45 PM »
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashSean on November 04, 2021, 06:40:50 AM
If he was vaccinated with AZ in February, he should be commended. People in his demographic were not eligible for ANY vaccine in the US yet.


Idk if we should be commending anyone who jumped the line of Healthcare workers, retired, and immunocompromised people.

Especially if they traveled to a different country who were struggling even more with vaccines.

But that's just me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 04, 2021, 08:47:48 AM
So now the question is, what’s a fair punishment for Rodgers and the Packers?

In my opinion, Rodgers gets suspended for a week, and the Packers forfeit a 5th round pick.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 04, 2021, 09:02:49 AM
So now the question is, what’s a fair punishment for Rodgers and the Packers?

In my opinion, Rodgers gets suspended for a week, and the Packers forfeit a 5th round pick.

I’m not sure what the punishment would be for unless I missed them not following protocols. It sounds like preseason you don’t need a mask on the sidelines, as well as if you are playing in the regular season. Cousins has been doing in-person pressers.

The NFL may have relaxed some of the protocols based on his treatment, who knows. I guess I’m not understanding the immediate jump to Packers did anything against the rules. Just because the media didn’t know he wasn’t vaccinated doesn’t mean the NFL or Packers didn’t. It seems pretty clearly everyone did.

If the investigation shows that they did, by all means there should be punishments. I don’t think any violations have been made public.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 04, 2021, 09:08:01 AM
So now the question is, what’s a fair punishment for Rodgers and the Packers?

In my opinion, Rodgers gets suspended for a week, and the Packers forfeit a 5th round pick.

My prediction is a fine a day 3 pick, NFL balks at suspension preferring the ratings with him on the field to the buzz keeping him off.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 04, 2021, 09:23:31 AM
So now the question is, what’s a fair punishment for Rodgers and the Packers?

In my opinion, Rodgers gets suspended for a week, and the Packers forfeit a 5th round pick.

Nothing less than a ban for life for rodgers and loss of 1st rounders the next three years for the pack will satisfy me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 04, 2021, 09:27:04 AM
So now the question is, what’s a fair punishment for Rodgers and the Packers?

In my opinion, Rodgers gets suspended for a week, and the Packers forfeit a 5th round pick.

My opinion, the NFL had no problem with anything that was going on, and supported it. They wanted a star front and center (Rodgers), with in person pressers.

The NFL, and most major sports look the way for their stars, rules/PEDs/etc.

But now this is public, so they may have to do something to maintain the ruse that they treat everyone equally. I expect a fine, and maybe a 6th or 7th round pick loss.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 04, 2021, 10:10:15 AM
I should have mentioned, the reason for punishment is, in part, to set precedent. The 31 other franchises are very curious how this plays out, and the Packers not having an owner might put them in a bit of a more precarious spot here.

To me, suspending Rodgers a week and the Packers losing a 5th or 6th round pick, makes this story go away. Rodgers would miss the Seattle game, which he’d only have one day of practice for.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 04, 2021, 10:17:44 AM
I should have mentioned, the reason for punishment is, in part, to set precedent. The 31 other franchises are very curious how this plays out, and the Packers not having an owner might put them in a bit of a more precarious spot here.

To me, suspending Rodgers a week and the Packers losing a 5th or 6th round pick, makes this story go away. Rodgers would miss the Seattle game, which he’d only have one day of practice for.

I'd bet cash that this ends up as a slap on the wrist.  I'd be utterly shocked if the punishment was as harsh as you're suggesting.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 04, 2021, 10:22:03 AM
The arrogance of Rodgers around all of this is pretty amusing.  Especially now that people are starting to speculate if this was part of his negotation with the Packers to put the drama of the summer aside and come back.  Bring in Cobb, do this and that, oh and also, I'm not getting vaccinated cause I drank some antibody water in Canada.  Take it or leave it.

Additionally, Id be curious to see how many people trying to justify/make excuses/defend Rodgers duplicity are also the same ones mocking/criticizing/castigating other unvaxxed players and athletes.

The Packers spin about "he was following protocol behind closed doors in the facility" already feels like prep with the league to say that this was all a misunderstanding, all good and yea, the punishment will be minimal at best.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 04, 2021, 10:26:26 AM
I'd bet cash that this ends up as a slap on the wrist.  I'd be utterly shocked if the punishment was as harsh as you're suggesting.

The New Orleans Saints would like a word with you.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 04, 2021, 10:27:46 AM
I've yet to see anything in this story that leads me to think the Packers will be or should be penalized.

They're already getting "penalized" this week -- their best player and the defending league MVP can't play against a desperate KC team.

I don't know how anybody, whether or not a Packer fan, can justify what Rodgers did (or actually, didn't do). A very selfish act by a "leader" who let down his teammates and coaches.

And I say all the above as a non-Packer fan (or hater) who very much appreciates Rodgers' talent and who enjoys watching him play.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 04, 2021, 10:32:50 AM
The New Orleans Saints would like a word with you.

Yeah, but that was due to a multitude of violations by several people within the organization, including the coaching staff, spread over an entire season.
I'm not sure that's really an apples to apples comparison to what Rodgers may or may not have done.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 04, 2021, 10:35:49 AM
The New Orleans Saints would like a word with you.

Violations in 2020 are probably not going to be the same as 2021.  Plus that was cash and a 7th rounder... right?

If the tapes show otherwise, you may be more correct, but that'd be speculation at this point.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 04, 2021, 10:40:23 AM
Yeah, but that was due to a multitude of violations by several people within the organization, including the coaching staff, spread over an entire season.
I'm not sure that's really an apples to apples comparison to what Rodgers may or may not have done.

The Halloween party photos/video are the nail in the coffin here. If the Saints got dinged for having a get together with maskless players pre-vaccine, it’s not helping Green Bay’s cause that Rodgers was with his teammates maskless.

From the AP:

“The punishment for New Orleans stems specifically from at least one maskless celebration and other questions, with All-Pro running back Alvin Kamara catching a lot of heat at one point for socializing in public in close proximity to others while maskless.”
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 04, 2021, 10:45:26 AM
Nothing less than a ban for life for rodgers and loss of 1st rounders the next three years for the pack will satisfy me.

That would be awesome
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 04, 2021, 10:45:40 AM
The Halloween party photos/video are the nail in the coffin here. If the Saints got dinged for having a get together with maskless players pre-vaccine, it’s not helping Green Bay’s cause that Rodgers was with his teammates maskless.

From the AP:

“The punishment for New Orleans stems specifically from at least one maskless celebration and other questions, with All-Pro running back Alvin Kamara catching a lot of heat at one point for socializing in public in close proximity to others while maskless.”

From ESPN:

A league source said the Saints were punished because of multiple violations and warnings, even beyond the three that were reported during the season. Those reported incidents included:
• The Saints being fined $250,000 and coach Sean Payton being fined $100,000 because Payton was not properly wearing a mask on the sideline during a Week 2 game.
• The Saints being fined $500,000 and losing a seventh-round draft pick as repeat offenders because Payton and players were spotted without masks during a postgame celebration in Week 9.
• The Saints facing further discipline after a person not employed by the team was spotted in proximity to players when the league reviewed video while following up on running back Alvin Kamara's close contacts when he tested positive in December.

A league source specified that the Week 9 incident was just one of multiple infractions and that the Saints weren't singled out for the nature of the players dancing in the video or the fact it was posted on social media


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31100559/new-orleans-saints-forfeit-6th-round-pick-2022-draft-covid-19-violations

Again, multiple infractions involving multiple players and the coaching staff. I could be very wrong, but I don't see the league coming down even harder on the Packers than they did the Saints over the actions of one player, especially if there's not evidence that the coaching staff and organization were complicit.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 04, 2021, 10:46:48 AM
The Halloween party photos/video are the nail in the coffin here. If the Saints got dinged for having a get together with maskless players pre-vaccine, it’s not helping Green Bay’s cause that Rodgers was with his teammates maskless.

From the AP:

“The punishment for New Orleans stems specifically from at least one maskless celebration and other questions, with All-Pro running back Alvin Kamara catching a lot of heat at one point for socializing in public in close proximity to others while maskless.”

Okay, but what if everyone else at the party was vaccinated?  And Rodgers never told them he wasn't.  Is it the team's job to police all of its players all of the time, even at personal social engagements?

Also, I'm not defending Rodgers' behavior at all.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 04, 2021, 10:53:20 AM
I don't know how anybody, whether or not a Packer fan, can justify what Rodgers did (or actually, didn't do). A very selfish act by a "leader" who let down his teammates and coaches.

Its partially fueled by Rodgers "smartest guy in the room" schtick that was mentioned earlier here.  Instead of it being the "I'm doing my own research" trope that gets widely mocked, Ive seen and heard multiple people being like "well he did alternative treatment and sought it out on his own, its not like he's denying COVID".  Its all spin for someone on a team they like who has built a brand off of being wise and cerebral...doing something dumb and lying about it
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 04, 2021, 10:57:20 AM
Its partially fueled by Rodgers "smartest guy in the room" schtick that was mentioned earlier here.  Instead of it being the "I'm doing my own research" trope that gets widely mocked, Ive seen and heard multiple people being like "well he did alternative treatment and sought it out on his own, its not like he's denying COVID".  Its all spin for someone on a team they like who has built a brand off of being wise and cerebral...doing something dumb and lying about it

Well said.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 04, 2021, 11:05:55 AM
Wait to see?

I’m not trying to argue with any of you guys here either. I think something happens and I appreciate the back and forth. Good points made by different people, I enjoyed the thoughtful back and forth.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 04, 2021, 11:10:58 AM
One of the frustrating things about trying to Nostradamus the punishment is that the NFL is so historically arbitrary when it comes to handing down punishments that I'm not even sure how useful any prior cases might be in predicting here.

The Saints case is sorta analogous, but even if it were perfectly analogous, I wouldn't bet a Kidney on Goodell being consistent because he never has been before. Why would he start now?

Also, even though I'm a Packers fan I would laugh for days if ZFB's punishment came to fruition.

Side note: They should have just vaccinated him and told him it was his magic water. "Yeah, we read up on your witch doctor's protocol and we're cool with it, but only if you get it once every 21 days. From us." (proceed to give him two real shots and the remainder as placebos)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 04, 2021, 11:37:25 AM
One of the frustrating things about trying to Nostradamus the punishment is that the NFL is so historically arbitrary when it comes to handing down punishments that I'm not even sure how useful any prior cases might be in predicting here.

The Saints case is sorta analogous, but even if it were perfectly analogous, I wouldn't bet a Kidney on Goodell being consistent because he never has been before. Why would he start now?

Also, even though I'm a Packers fan I would laugh for days if ZFB's punishment came to fruition.

Side note: They should have just vaccinated him and told him it was his magic water. "Yeah, we read up on your witch doctor's protocol and we're cool with it, but only if you get it once every 21 days. From us." (proceed to give him two real shots and the remainder as placebos)

ZFB for NFL commissioner.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on November 04, 2021, 12:54:55 PM
Okay, but what if everyone else at the party was vaccinated?  And Rodgers never told them he wasn't.  Is it the team's job to police all of its players all of the time, even at personal social engagements?

Also, I'm not defending Rodgers' behavior at all.

I find it hard to believe the players thought Rodger was vaccinated since he apparently always wore a mask indoors (not counting his pressers), they know who's vaxxed and not vaxxed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 04, 2021, 01:06:55 PM
I find it hard to believe the players thought Rodger was vaccinated since he apparently always wore a mask indoors (not counting his pressers), they know who's vaxxed and not vaxxed.

I find it hard to believe that players knew he was unvaccinated and that information never leaked to the press.

A lot of people who are vaccinated still wear masks indoors.  In fact, it is still required in Dane County to this date.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 04, 2021, 01:19:44 PM
ZFB for NFL commissioner.

Can’t beat the paycheck
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 04, 2021, 07:08:37 PM
Antonio Brown seen rising a bike with a walking boot. Don’t know if he went to Jimmy Johns.

https://dknation.draftkings.com/2021/11/2/22759597/antonio-brown-injury-walking-boot-riding-a-bike-bucs-bye-week
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 04, 2021, 08:50:53 PM
So now the question is, what’s a fair punishment for Rodgers and the Packers?

In my opinion, Rodgers gets suspended for a week, and the Packers forfeit a 5th round pick.

I don't understand the logic of suspending him. The NFL knew the entire time he was not vaccinated (since he petitioned them). So they knowingly did nothing the entire season (if he indeed violated protocols).

But since he tested positive and they are all now busted, they decide to suspend him?

Are they going to fine themselves too, for knowingly allowing any procedures to be broken.

The NFL brass are equally at fault for everything.

And Rodgers is an idiot. Once again proves that no one should follow these guys as idols, besides how maybe wanting to be able to play like them. Also, to me highlights why Drew Brees is kind of unique. All world talent, who actually appears to be a legitimate good dude.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GooooMarquette on November 04, 2021, 09:27:24 PM
Its partially fueled by Rodgers "smartest guy in the room" schtick that was mentioned earlier here.  Instead of it being the "I'm doing my own research" trope that gets widely mocked, Ive seen and heard multiple people being like "well he did alternative treatment and sought it out on his own, its not like he's denying COVID".  Its all spin for someone on a team they like who has built a brand off of being wise and cerebral...doing something dumb and lying about it


Yep. Turns out the self-proclaimed 'smartest guy in the room' isn't that bright at all.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 04, 2021, 09:47:50 PM
Blake Bortles is back
https://nypost.com/2021/11/04/packers-call-saved-blake-bortles-from-a-double-bogey/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 05, 2021, 04:51:33 AM
What’s Matt Flynn up to?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 05, 2021, 06:33:59 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/browns-will-release-odell-beckham-jr-051443256.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 05, 2021, 06:35:35 AM
This weekend's Packer movie title?        Love, actually.... or Liar Liar.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 05, 2021, 06:56:15 AM
 Browns releasing OBJ
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 05, 2021, 10:27:01 AM
OBJ to Bucs in 3...2...1...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 05, 2021, 10:36:03 AM
Is OBJ really all that any longer?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 05, 2021, 10:47:27 AM
It would be funny if the Giants claimed him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 05, 2021, 10:56:39 AM
Funnier if Detroit did.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 05, 2021, 10:59:09 AM
Is OBJ really all that any longer?

If he's healthy, I think so.  I mean, his first year with the Browns was really good.  It wasn't that stellar 2016 season, but 75 catches for over 1000 yards on a dumpster fire of a Freddie Kitchens offense isn't anything to sniff at.

I found this interesting
https://twitter.com/reinhurdler/status/1456630436080271365?s=20

As I said earlier, I don't think he's a good fit for the Browns at this point.  So it will be interesting to see where he lands.  He's not even 30.  If his knee is fine, I don't think its crazy to think he could be a top 10-15 WR again in a good system.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 05, 2021, 11:04:17 AM
If he's healthy, I think so.  I mean, his first year with the Browns was really good.  It wasn't that stellar 2016 season, but 75 catches for over 1000 yards on a dumpster fire of a Freddie Kitchens offense isn't anything to sniff at.

I found this interesting
https://twitter.com/reinhurdler/status/1456630436080271365?s=20

As I said earlier, I don't think he's a good fit for the Browns at this point.  So it will be interesting to see where he lands.  He's not even 30.  If his knee is fine, I don't think its crazy to think he could be a top 10-15 WR again in a good system.


I think of Andre Rison a lifetime ago.  Getting away from the Browns and onto a contender worked wonders for both parties back then.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 05, 2021, 11:45:38 AM
OBJ to Bucs in 3...2...1...

If he clears waivers, my guess is either the Bucs or the Rams.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 05, 2021, 12:00:40 PM
If he clears waivers, my guess is either the Bucs or the Rams.

Vegas has a receiver opening and a QB who can get him the ball.  He's 3rd/4th option in Tampa or LA. Could be the #1 receiver in Vegas (excluding Waller, of course). If he's looking for targets and a team that can compete for the playoffs, probably not a better option 

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 05, 2021, 12:07:02 PM
Rodgers giving his spin on McAfee's show

Update: he's still an idiot!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 05, 2021, 12:13:03 PM
Vegas has a receiver opening and a QB who can get him the ball.  He's 3rd/4th option in Tampa or LA. Could be the #1 receiver in Vegas (excluding Waller, of course). If he's looking for targets and a team that can compete for the playoffs, probably not a better option

Vegas I think makes a ton of sense here.

Rodgers giving his spin on McAfee's show

I'm sure thats gonna be a monumental waste of time and fluff.  The only person who carries more of Rodgers' water than John Kuhn is McAfee.  Dude worships him
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 05, 2021, 12:13:45 PM
Vegas I think makes a ton of sense here.

I'm sure thats gonna be a monumental waste of time and fluff.  The only person who carries more of Rodgers' water than John Kuhn is McAfee.  Dude worships him

AJ Hawk cares a lot too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 05, 2021, 12:16:08 PM
Waiting for him to answer the question about mask wearing  ::)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 05, 2021, 12:33:47 PM
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1456669682686218256?t=L83bKvvq3rdROlC1vHun0w&s=19

Holy crap. What a thread.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 05, 2021, 12:37:08 PM
If I had an allergy to the mRNA vaccine (paint me dubious) I would have begun and ended with that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 05, 2021, 12:39:38 PM
lol, he's gonna have the bingo card full here in a second or two.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 05, 2021, 12:41:08 PM
lol, he's gonna have the bingo card full here in a second or two.

Woke mob. Ivermectin. My body my choice. MLK. Joe Rogan. Did my own research. Critical thinker.

Are we there yet?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 05, 2021, 12:43:46 PM
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1456669682686218256?t=L83bKvvq3rdROlC1vHun0w&s=19

Holy crap. What a thread.
Wow, what an idiot.

Please trade him to Detroit.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 05, 2021, 12:46:34 PM
If I had an allergy to the mRNA vaccine (paint me dubious) I would have begun and ended with that.


Right.  And say that.  I mean, you still have to follow the protocols.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 05, 2021, 12:46:54 PM
He's going to primary Ron Johnson, isn't he
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 05, 2021, 12:47:17 PM
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1456669682686218256?t=L83bKvvq3rdROlC1vHun0w&s=19

Holy crap. What a thread.


8 days ago the season had so much promise.  Now I even wonder if we will see him in a Packer uniform again.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 05, 2021, 12:47:43 PM
https://twitter.com/JamieOGrady/status/1456678930459541507?t=ubXHXpV8YEY6rdQhpQKPjA&s=19

Wow
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 05, 2021, 12:51:58 PM
He's just trolling us, right? Please tell me he's just trolling us.

@WillBrinson: Aaron Rodgers says he "consulted with a now good friend of mine Joe Rogan" and he's been following his podcast advice
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 05, 2021, 12:52:32 PM
This is INCREDIBLE.  Dude is on the way to questioning the moon landing, outing himself as a flat earther, and mentioning lizard people.

https://twitter.com/bomani_jones/status/1456674136563015686?s=20

What a Friday
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 05, 2021, 12:54:33 PM

8 days ago the season had so much promise.  Now I even wonder if we will see him in a Packer uniform again.

I'm not ready to go that far, but it's really a wild ride to see a dude just go mask off.

(Note: lifelong Packers fan here) Granted I've thought Rodgers is a sociopath and a lunatic for a long long time, but watching him just loudly and unrepentantly declare his lunacy to the world is really something.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 05, 2021, 12:54:38 PM
https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1456669682686218256?t=L83bKvvq3rdROlC1vHun0w&s=19

Holy crap. What a thread.

I had to double check to make sure I wasn’t reading a relative’s FB page.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2021, 12:57:24 PM
Woke mob. Ivermectin. My body my choice. MLK. Joe Rogan. Did my own research. Critical thinker.

Are we there yet?

Can Q membership be far behind for Aaron?

I'll give him a pass on the 'woke mob" criticism though, as they should be criticized at every turn. They are the left's version of QAnon.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 05, 2021, 01:02:44 PM
The absolutely only way this tour de facebook-eaten-gray matter isn't damningly-stupid is if he really actually were trolling. It's so out there it really does almost look like it. Ivermectin? "good friend" Joe Rogan? He 100% sat down and planned to say every buzz word, the only question is whether he's just trying to be the Joker by doing so because he loves chaos, or is it because he actually believes all that?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2021, 01:06:46 PM
If he's healthy, I think so.  I mean, his first year with the Browns was really good.  It wasn't that stellar 2016 season, but 75 catches for over 1000 yards on a dumpster fire of a Freddie Kitchens offense isn't anything to sniff at.

I found this interesting
https://twitter.com/reinhurdler/status/1456630436080271365?s=20

As I said earlier, I don't think he's a good fit for the Browns at this point.  So it will be interesting to see where he lands.  He's not even 30.  If his knee is fine, I don't think its crazy to think he could be a top 10-15 WR again in a good system.

Isn't it time to stop blaming Kitchens for OBJ's suckage? It's Eli's fault, its's McAdoo's fault, it's Baker's fault, it's Stefanski's fault.

C'mon, maybe he's just a guy at this point in his career. Maybe Landry is just a better receiver at this point.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2021, 01:08:37 PM
If he clears waivers, my guess is either the Bucs or the Rams.

Saints. t's back home and he can be the "star".

Maybe the Bucs or Rams, but I can't see him going to a place where he has zero chance of being the #1 receiver.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 05, 2021, 01:09:13 PM
The absolutely only way this tour de facebook-eaten-gray matter isn't damningly-stupid is if he really actually were trolling. It's so out there it really does almost look like it. Ivermectin? "good friend" Joe Rogan? He 100% sat down and planned to say every buzz word, the only question is whether he's just trying to be the Joker by doing so because he loves chaos, or is it because he actually believes all that?

Its intermingled with WAYYY too much "im the smartest" detail though.  Presenting 500 pages of research to the NFL he's so proud of.  His "next great chapter of my life is being a father".  He's so high off his own supply he's just going all in.  We are getting a true glimpse at narcissistic personality disorder
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 05, 2021, 01:13:10 PM
Its intermingled with WAYYY too much "im the smartest" detail though.  Presenting 500 pages of research to the NFL he's so proud of.  His "next great chapter of my life is being a father".  He's so high off his own supply he's just going all in.  We are getting a true glimpse at narcissistic personality disorder

I think this is right.

I also think there's a chance when he realizes that only the lunatics of the world buy into the whole Joe Rogan enlightened sage thing and everyone else hates him and thinks he's an idiot that he tries to pretend he was joking. He's absurdly image conscious.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 05, 2021, 01:15:30 PM
Its intermingled with WAYYY too much "im the smartest" detail though.  Presenting 500 pages of research to the NFL he's so proud of.  His "next great chapter of my life is being a father".  He's so high off his own supply he's just going all in.  We are getting a true glimpse at narcissistic personality disorder


Yeah.  Pretty much nailed it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 05, 2021, 01:16:46 PM
Isn't it time to stop blaming Kitchens for OBJ's suckage? It's Eli's fault, its's McAdoo's fault, it's Baker's fault, it's Stefanski's fault.

C'mon, maybe he's just a guy at this point in his career. Maybe Landry is just a better receiver at this point.

Where did I blame Kitchens?  Kitchens offense and scheme and EVERYTHING was terrible and OBJ still had a nice year.

And I never said it was Baker or Stefanski's fault, its just not a great system for a WR who is coming off an injury and needs a ton of targets both based on style of play and personality.  There is a lot of stupid noise around it, but for football reasons I totally get the running first Browns not making sense.

If he's truly healthy, this is the only healthy season he's had in the league where he hasn't been good.  He was potentially on pace for career bests in catches and yards in 2018.

Worrying that he's made of glass is fair.  But even with outbursts or diva personalities, dude still puts up numbers.  Fit is very much a real thing, especially at the WR position.  The NFL isn't Madden 2021
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUfan12 on November 05, 2021, 01:21:52 PM
I knew he was an extreme narcissist but I didn't think I'd be calling him QAaron. Holy f*ckballs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 05, 2021, 01:25:04 PM
Based on his comments, I have a hard time believing if he didn’t have an allergy, he would have gotten the vaccine. I’d honestly not be surprised if that was made up to cover himself.

Agreed with others. No way he’d be able to end it with the allergy. He has to show he’s smarter than everyone else.

Honestly, if the Packers move on from him this year, this interview is a dream for them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on November 05, 2021, 01:25:25 PM
I wonder if his State Farm gig will be in jeopardy due to this?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 05, 2021, 01:29:58 PM
If he would have said "I am allergic" and followed the protocols, that would have been fine.  The problem is that the league and team KNEW he wasn't vaccinated and didn't follow protocols.  Which leads you to believe that the protocols aren't really all that serious,
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 05, 2021, 01:34:45 PM
"Rodgers is claiming that in 2020 the left was anti-vaccine while Trump was president, and then suddenly after Biden's election,"

He's actually not totally wrong here - some on the left did express skepticism and hesitation (including Kamala Harris and Andrew Cuomo). I think the truth in his comments is an indictment of how radically politically polarized we are as a society. Even when Trump said to get the vaccine he was greeted with boos.

I wonder if his State Farm gig will be in jeopardy due to this?


maybe, but no doubt his Rogers rate just jumped significantly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 05, 2021, 01:41:53 PM
Who was cancelling him?  Was his career ever in “jeopardy” this week?  What “woke mob” was Green Bay or the NFL ever going to give into?

The answer is none but he hit enough important meaningless words by uttering them that he has the mouth breather crowd to back him now.  Surprised he didn’t mention confederate statues or CRT.

Makes one pine for Bart Starr as the greatest QB in team history
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 05, 2021, 01:42:39 PM
"Rodgers is claiming that in 2020 the left was anti-vaccine while Trump was president, and then suddenly after Biden's election,"

He's actually not totally wrong here - some on the left did express skepticism and hesitation (including Kamala Harris and Andrew Cuomo). I think the truth in his comments is an indictment of how radically politically polarized we are as a society. Even when Trump said to get the vaccine he was greeted with boos.

maybe, but no doubt his Rogers rate just jumped significantly.

Implying that Cuomo or Harris are "left" is peak hilarity.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 05, 2021, 01:45:37 PM
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/report/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-december-2020/

Democrats were always more pro-vaccine than Republicans.  That never changed.  In fact, it increased for both throughout 2020.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 05, 2021, 01:48:03 PM
"Rodgers is claiming that in 2020 the left was anti-vaccine while Trump was president, and then suddenly after Biden's election,"

He's actually not totally wrong here

Record scratch, narrator voice: He's actually totally wrong here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2021, 01:56:24 PM
"Rodgers is claiming that in 2020 the left was anti-vaccine while Trump was president, and then suddenly after Biden's election,"

He's actually not totally wrong here - some on the left did express skepticism and hesitation (including Kamala Harris and Andrew Cuomo). I think the truth in his comments is an indictment of how radically politically polarized we are as a society. Even when Trump said to get the vaccine he was greeted with boos.

maybe, but no doubt his Rogers rate just jumped significantly.

You're making up stories again. People on the left were anti-vaccine ONLY to the extent that trump would try to skirt FDA rules.

In other words - TRUST THE PROCESS. Don't trust the 25,000 lies man.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 05, 2021, 02:03:58 PM
Actually more disappointed with McAfee giving him a platform to spout off that nonsense.

Not surprising as they’re obviously close, but still disappointing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 05, 2021, 02:08:03 PM
Actually more disappointed with McAfee giving him a platform to spout off that nonsense.

Not surprising as they’re obviously close, but still disappointing.

Not surprising as McAfee is the remora making money off of clinging to Rodgers. Crazy punter man needs to leverage his connection to Rodgers to have anything anyone would care to watch.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 05, 2021, 02:13:09 PM
Not surprising as McAfee is the remora making money off of clinging to Rodgers. Crazy punter man needs to leverage his connection to Rodgers to have anything anyone would care to watch.

"This interview is going DAHN.  CAHNT wait for the main man A-ROD to give us the deets.  CRAZY."

I used to actually like Pat, but he's become such a caricature.  Its cringey.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: reinko on November 05, 2021, 02:41:20 PM
Not my quip, but seems like we now have a Karen Rodgers on our hands
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on November 05, 2021, 02:49:11 PM
Rodgers giving us every reason to believe in CTE.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 05, 2021, 03:18:17 PM
"Rodgers is claiming that in 2020 the left was anti-vaccine while Trump was president, and then suddenly after Biden's election,"

He's actually not totally wrong here - some on the left did express skepticism and hesitation (including Kamala Harris and Andrew Cuomo). I think the truth in his comments is an indictment of how radically politically polarized we are as a society. Even when Trump said to get the vaccine he was greeted with boos.

maybe, but no doubt his Rogers rate just jumped significantly.
Ummm, just no. Harris said she would wait to take the vaccine  until CDC said it was safe/approved its usage, and would not take it based on Trump saying so. A reasonable stance, I think, since Trump suggested imbibing bleach.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: YaBlueIt on November 05, 2021, 03:19:08 PM
This interview really took of the rose-colored glasses for me with regards to Rodgers' character and personality. Fans of other teams have been saying for years that he's a smug a-hole and pseudo-intellectual. I finally agree.

I did agree with a couple points he made, namely that some NFL protocols don't make complete sense. Also I don't think that staff or players should be pressured to talk about someone else's vaccination status, let those people speak for themselves about it. I think that's all valid. Even the "personal choice" thing - fine, you have your reasons, whatever. He should've left it there. Kirk Cousins went that path and aside from getting trolled in social media, people eventually forgot and didn't care.

But the "critical thinker" bit, making unproven claims about side effects and alternative treatments, diving into "big pharma" conspiracy theories, and painting himself as a victim all take it too far. The MLK quote was the icing on the cake.

He could've gone full Kirk Cousins and it would've been over after a couple weeks. Instead, he went full Kyrie Irving. Never go full Kyrie Irving.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 05, 2021, 03:21:46 PM
He could've gone full Kirk Cousins and it would've been over after a couple weeks. Instead, he went full Kyrie Irving. Never go full Kyrie Irving.
Only, Kyrie is owning it; Rodgers is trying to blame everyone else for putting the stick through his bike spokes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: YaBlueIt on November 05, 2021, 03:36:10 PM
Only, Kyrie is owning it; Rodgers is trying to blame everyone else for putting the stick through his bike spokes.

Agreed. I made the comparison because of that MLK quote, which makes it seem like Rodgers thinks of himself as some sort of hero for refusing to comply, in the same sense that Kyrie thinks of himself as some hero for sitting out this year, "speaking for the voiceless", etc.

With all the other drama that happened this offseason, it looks like Rodgers would have straight up retired if vaccines were mandatory for players. Crazy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 05, 2021, 03:38:12 PM
Agreed. I made the comparison because of that MLK quote, which makes it seem like Rodgers thinks of himself as some sort of hero for refusing to comply, in the same sense that Kyrie thinks of himself as some hero for sitting out this year, "speaking for the voiceless", etc.

With all the other drama that happened this offseason, it looks like Rodgers would have straight up retired if vaccines were mandatory for players. Crazy.

Rodgers was never retiring. He needs the spotlight. This is just his attempt to save face with half the country. He knows he screwed up and he’s doing anything he can to shift the blame to anyone but himself.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2021, 03:43:16 PM
Actually more disappointed with McAfee giving him a platform to spout off that nonsense.

Not surprising as they’re obviously close, but still disappointing.

I don't think you get how this works. The entire reason for going on McAfee's show is to be able to say whatever you want without being challenged. As McAfee proves in every episode, he is not a journalist.

Aaron isn't going to face a journalist with this garbage because he would face pushback over his remarks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 05, 2021, 04:11:30 PM
This interview really took of the rose-colored glasses for me with regards to Rodgers' character and personality. Fans of other teams have been saying for years that he's a smug a-hole and pseudo-intellectual. I finally agree.

I did agree with a couple points he made, namely that some NFL protocols don't make complete sense. Also I don't think that staff or players should be pressured to talk about someone else's vaccination status, let those people speak for themselves about it. I think that's all valid. Even the "personal choice" thing - fine, you have your reasons, whatever. He should've left it there. Kirk Cousins went that path and aside from getting trolled in social media, people eventually forgot and didn't care.

But the "critical thinker" bit, making unproven claims about side effects and alternative treatments, diving into "big pharma" conspiracy theories, and painting himself as a victim all take it too far. The MLK quote was the icing on the cake.

He could've gone full Kirk Cousins and it would've been over after a couple weeks. Instead, he went full Kyrie Irving. Never go full Kyrie Irving.

Agreed. The one that made me chuckle was how he never signed up for the protocols. Well, the union you belong to negotiated with the NFL as a way to keep players safe. It’s not the NFL unilaterally laying down the law.

If he didn’t feel safe with the shot due to the allergy (I’m skeptical) and J&J risks, fine. But then don’t try to get out of the protocols and act like you are some victim.

If the interview was 5 minutes of him saying I have an allergy and wasn’t comfortable with J&J, and this was a risk I accepted, I don’t think anyone would have an issue.

To basically go on a diatribe using conspiracy theories and calling the measures draconian and all of that is absurd. Yea, the protocols would be a pain, but Covid is no picnic either.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 05, 2021, 04:23:15 PM
Only, Kyrie is owning it; Rodgers is trying to blame everyone else for putting the stick through his bike spokes.

Yep.  And Rodgers has lied or stretched the truth multiple times to fit his agenda or narrative.  Kyrie is far closer to Cousins than Rodgers in this regard.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 05, 2021, 04:25:13 PM
Rodgers giving his spin on McAfee's show

Update: he's still an idiot!




Eye did knot have sex wit dat woman, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 05, 2021, 04:39:11 PM
Rodgers really proved he is an idiot in that interview. He should fire his agent if the agent signed on for him doing that.

He should have just led with: I'm really upset about how my personal information regarding vaccination was leaked to the press. Details of my medical history shouldn't be for public consumption, especially when the facts are distorted and misrepresented. The facts are, I'm not vaccinated. I'm allergic to the two mRNA vaccines and personally don't feel comfortable with some of the risks in the J&J vaccine. As a result I followed all protocols, including daily testing for unvaccinated individuals.

full stop.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 05, 2021, 04:41:00 PM
Poor little victim, Aaron Rodgers.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 05, 2021, 04:41:53 PM
Rodgers really proved he is an idiot in that interview. He should fire his agent if the agent signed on for him doing that.

He should have just led with: I'm really upset about how my personal information regarding vaccination was leaked to the press. Details of my medical history shouldn't be for public consumption, especially when the facts are distorted and misrepresented. The facts are, I'm not vaccinated. I'm allergic to the two mRNA vaccines and personally don't feel comfortable with some of the risks in the J&J vaccine. As a result I followed all protocols, including daily testing for unvaccinated individuals.

full stop.




Cmon. MLK was never like that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 05, 2021, 04:48:23 PM
I was driving up from Southern Illinois all day and just caught up with the interview.

I’ve said before Rodgers was my favorite QB of all time, but this is just a clown show. I’m not the “shut up and play” type, but WTF…seriously, WTF?

I hate saying this, but at least Cole Beasley is just upfront and open about his stance (which I staunchly disagree with). This word salad of garbage coming from Rodgers…just retire and go do whatever it is you want to do, or just own your anti-vax stance and die on that hill.

I wish Rodgers was a Titan or Seahawk or something, as there’s a lot of good Packer fans here, and I hope Green Bay beats the piss out of KC on Sunday to spite Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on November 05, 2021, 04:58:29 PM
Rodgers really proved he is an idiot in that interview. He should fire his agent if the agent signed on for him doing that.

He should have just led with: I'm really upset about how my personal information regarding vaccination was leaked to the press. Details of my medical history shouldn't be for public consumption, especially when the facts are distorted and misrepresented. The facts are, I'm not vaccinated. I'm allergic to the two mRNA vaccines and personally don't feel comfortable with some of the risks in the J&J vaccine. As a result I followed all protocols, including daily testing for unvaccinated individuals.

full stop.

His agent has zero to do with this. Rodgers has had a standing segment on Pat's show all season. Why? Because it is the definition of a safe space, with Rodgers able to air his grievences on any topic with zero push back and his buddy AJ Hawk nodding in the background.

When I saw he was going to be on Pat's show today, I knew it was going to be something. He thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. You think he's going to his agent for advice, lol.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 05, 2021, 04:59:58 PM
Like I said all offseason, should've given the guy what he wanted.  Didn't want to be here?  Fair enough.  You have the best WR in football, one of the best RB groups in football, one of the best offensive lines in football, and you've spent draft and money capitol on your defense for the last number of years now, and you'd get a king's ransom for Rodgers.  If the guy you traded up in the first round to take is not good enough to at the very least manage the game enough to win in the NFC North, then that's on you for your lack of ability to identify talent.

Instead we're going to get a guy who wouldn't vaccinate himself causing the Packers to lose their chance at a 1 seed, probably lose a road NFC Title game, and then see the QB and the WR walk for nothing.

Excellent.

Bump. Guy showed us what he was all off-season. Gutey wanted to make his splash as a young GM by taking HIS guy at QB, which pissed off an all time great, and when it came time to stand by his move Gutey folded.

This just makes me appreciate Giannis that much more. A true gift to Milwaukee. (And Khris and Jrue)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 05, 2021, 05:01:37 PM
Poor little victim, Aaron Rodgers.




Peddle his heine, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on November 05, 2021, 05:29:01 PM
Bump. Guy showed us what he was all off-season. Gutey wanted to make his splash as a young GM by taking HIS guy at QB, which pissed off an all time great, and when it came time to stand by his move Gutey folded.

This just makes me appreciate Giannis that much more. A true gift to Milwaukee. (And Khris and Jrue)

How did Gutey fold? He has Aaron and Jordan on his roster. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 05, 2021, 05:31:53 PM
How did Gutey fold? He has Aaron and Jordan on his roster.

He moved up to take a quarterback in the first round, his starting quarterback asked out of Green Bay which would’ve cleared the path for the guy he traded up for, yet he decided to let the quarterback who asked for a trade pick out who he’d add to the team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 05, 2021, 05:33:59 PM
Love wasn’t ready. That’s why they had to bring him back.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 05, 2021, 05:35:48 PM
His agent has zero to do with this. Rodgers has had a standing segment on Pat's show all season. Why? Because it is the definition of a safe space, with Rodgers able to air his grievences on any topic with zero push back and his buddy AJ Hawk nodding in the background.

When I saw he was going to be on Pat's show today, I knew it was going to be something. He thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. You think he's going to his agent for advice, lol.

Yup, this was about 12 airing his grievances and attempting to show how smart he is.  Sometimes when you want to show you’re the smartest guy in the room, you show your backside instead
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 05, 2021, 05:35:53 PM
Still not ready. Peddle his heine, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 05, 2021, 05:48:30 PM
Still not ready. Peddle his heine, aina?

Stop beating around the bush and be detailed about what you really think about what Aaron said today.

Otherwise, you're just being a coward
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 05, 2021, 05:51:31 PM
Love wasn’t ready. That’s why they had to bring him back.

Agreed, but sometimes you have to sleep in the bed you made. Other than the Bakhtiari injury, you couldn’t make it a softer landing spot than what the Packers would’ve had if you traded Rodgers this past offseason. Run the ball a ton, control the clock, stack up the defense, and let LeFleur gameplan you to a 9 win NFC North Title season. Then have 2 first round picks for the next couple years to stack up more of the roster.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 05, 2021, 05:55:49 PM
It amazes me that in some spheres, people think he’s going to be back in 2022, regardless of this week
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 05, 2021, 07:05:51 PM
Rough day for Rodgers

https://www.mediaite.com/news/exclusive-newsmax-tells-staff-it-will-implement-vaccine-mandate/ (https://www.mediaite.com/news/exclusive-newsmax-tells-staff-it-will-implement-vaccine-mandate/)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 05, 2021, 07:10:31 PM
Stop beating around the bush and be detailed about what you really think about what Aaron said today.

Otherwise, you're just being a coward




Sherlock, y don't ya hiccup and translate, four da world, watt ewe've deciphered? Udderwise, ur just bein' a schmuck, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 05, 2021, 07:26:45 PM
I was driving up from Southern Illinois all day and just caught up with the interview.

I’ve said before Rodgers was my favorite QB of all time, but this is just a clown show. I’m not the “shut up and play” type, but WTF…seriously, WTF?

I’m similar.  Regardless of being a Bears fan, purely on the field irrespective of Jersey, I’ve loved Rodgers as a player. I’ve gone to bat saying I think he’s the best to player the position, or at least has the highest peak.

But he got to be such a tool.  So smug, so deflective of any criticism, always had some reason for everything.  People would brush me off of as a bitter Bears fan even though I’ve always openly praised him as a player.  As a person, he was just so calculated and insincere.

Needless to say the last 3-6 months has felt very vindicating
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 05, 2021, 07:27:42 PM



Sherlock, y don't ya hiccup and translate, four da world, watt ewe've deciphered? Udderwise, ur just bein' a schmuck, aina?

Lol.  Ya, I'm the schmuck here.  ::)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 05, 2021, 07:32:25 PM
Not sure this is definitive, but this is speculating it’s incredibly unlikely the allergy to both MRNA vaccines is legit. I don’t know how reliable the source is.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2021/11/5/22765656/aaron-rodgers-covid-vaccine-pat-mcafee-joe-rogan-ivermectin
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 05, 2021, 07:37:26 PM
TJ Lang is classy

https://twitter.com/tjlang70/status/1456780076209557505?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 05, 2021, 07:38:14 PM
But he got to be such a tool.  So smug, so deflective of any criticism, always had some reason for everything.  People would brush me off of as a bitter Bears fan even though I’ve always openly praised him as a player.  As a person, he was just so calculated and insincere.
Nope, I think many Packer fans are feeling the same way after this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 05, 2021, 07:48:47 PM
Nope, I think many Packer fans are feeling the same way after this year.

There are still a lot of them carrying water for him that are blaming the media for everything and think he’ll retire a Packer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2021, 07:52:37 PM
Agreed, but sometimes you have to sleep in the bed you made. Other than the Bakhtiari injury, you couldn’t make it a softer landing spot than what the Packers would’ve had if you traded Rodgers this past offseason. Run the ball a ton, control the clock, stack up the defense, and let LeFleur gameplan you to a 9 win NFC North Title season. Then have 2 first round picks for the next couple years to stack up more of the roster.

I think you over estimate the quality of the team, especially the defense. They are better than the last several years, but playing well against Fields, Goff, Heinecke, Big Ben, and Garopollo - not one of whom is in the top 50% of QBs in the league - does not mean you are a great. When one player being out swings the betting line 8.5 points, we know what the people-in-the-know are thinking about the Packers.

We've seen what happens when Rodgers gets hurt.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 05, 2021, 07:56:55 PM
There are still a lot of them carrying water for him that are blaming the media for everything and think he’ll retire a Packer.


I don't think most fans care as long as the team is winning.

We all knew who Aaron was before this. A narcissistic sociopath who always needed a scapegoat.

This isn't new. He was the same guy 5-10 years ago as he is now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 05, 2021, 08:00:17 PM
I think you over estimate the quality of the team, especially the defense. They are better than the last several years, but playing well against Fields, Goff, Heinecke, Big Ben, and Garopollo - not one of whom is in the top 50% of QBs in the league - does not mean you are a great. When one player being out swings the betting line 8.5 points, we know what the people-in-the-know are thinking about the Packers.

We've seen what happens when Rodgers gets hurt.

Keep in mind you’ve missed your two best edge rushers and 2 of your 3 best corners for multiple games. And when your divisions start Cousins, Fields, and Goff, yeah, you’re getting a lot of games against bad quarterback play. The Packers wouldn’t be a Super Bowl contender. But LeFleur is a good enough coach to win them the North minus Rodgers plus the assets he would’ve brought back in a trade. So not much different than the last decade.

And in season injuries to your starting quarterback with 6th rounders as your backup is much different than going into a season knowing your second year, first round pick is your starter from day one.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 05, 2021, 08:27:17 PM
There are still a lot of them carrying water for him that are blaming the media for everything and think he’ll retire a Packer.
I am sure there are. You can't take the northern Wisconsin out of some of them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 05, 2021, 08:45:09 PM
Not sure this is definitive, but this is speculating it’s incredibly unlikely the allergy to both MRNA vaccines is legit. I don’t know how reliable the source is.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2021/11/5/22765656/aaron-rodgers-covid-vaccine-pat-mcafee-joe-rogan-ivermectin

That person should keep their day job.

It is certainly possible for a person to be allergic to both. Severe allergic reactions to these vaccines are believed to be caused by PEG. It is present in both.

That doesn't mean he is telling the truth, I'd be a bit shocked if he actually knew he was allergic to PEG before getting the vaccine. I'm calling BS on his claim, but it is most definitely possible.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 05, 2021, 08:49:00 PM
I am sure there are. You can't take the northern Wisconsin out of some of them.

It’s the same as the meatball Bears fans who think the solution to ever problem is “get off the bus running” and “Bear weather”
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 05, 2021, 09:48:54 PM
That person should keep their day job.

It is certainly possible for a person to be allergic to both. Severe allergic reactions to these vaccines are believed to be caused by PEG. It is present in both.

That doesn't mean he is telling the truth, I'd be a bit shocked if he actually knew he was allergic to PEG before getting the vaccine. I'm calling BS on his claim, but it is most definitely possible.

No doubt the "research" was to find the allergies....
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 05, 2021, 10:05:04 PM
Looking forward to Jordan Love leading the Packers to a victory.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 06, 2021, 12:16:45 AM

We all knew who Aaron was before this. A narcissistic sociopath who always needed a scapegoat.

This isn't new. He was the same guy 5-10 years ago as he is now.

So if this isn’t new and everyone knew he’s always been this guy what’s the big deal?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2021, 07:12:30 AM
So if this isn’t new and everyone knew he’s always been this guy what’s the big deal?

Sometimes, there’s a straw that breaks the camels back.

Rodgers has misread the Packers fanbase a long time.  He thought in April when his team leaked news, and it was his team, that he wanted out, the fanbase would rally around him like they did with Brent.  They most certainly didn’t.  A good chunk did but it wasn’t like 2008 when nearly everyone wanted to welcome Brent back. 

He thinks his little stunt yesterday will have Packers fans rallying around him.  Many will but many will also cheer for the team in spite of him and many will openly cheer against him. 

Personally, I’ve seen through him a long time ago.  He’s not a good person.  Whatever, that’s certainly part of what makes him a great QB.  I’m just not surprised to see more people realize what a fraud he is.  People hate defending someone thinking they’re a different person than who they really are, see Buzz Williams and me defending him
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: rocket surgeon on November 06, 2021, 07:45:56 AM
Sometimes, there’s a straw that breaks the camels back.

Rodgers has misread the Packers fanbase a long time.  He thought in April when his team leaked news, and it was his team, that he wanted out, the fanbase would rally around him like they did with Brent.  They most certainly didn’t.  A good chunk did but it wasn’t like 2008 when nearly everyone wanted to welcome Brent back. 

He thinks his little stunt yesterday will have Packers fans rallying around him.  Many will but many will also cheer for the team in spite of him and many will openly cheer against him. 

Personally, I’ve seen through him a long time ago.  He’s not a good person.  Whatever, that’s certainly part of what makes him a great QB.  I’m just not surprised to see more people realize what a fraud he is.  People hate defending someone thinking they’re a different person than who they really are, see Buzz Williams and me defending him

   minus 10 out of 10  very short sighted and presumptuous.  i doubt you even liked him before all this covid crap

     i don't believe rodgers does or says anything based on what he thinks the fanbase will like or dislike.  he's true to himself.  he will let his play speak for itself.  you aren't going to fit rodgers into any little row with any other person or player and he doesn't try to be like anyone else or speak for anyone else.  i just sit back and listen.   

   the media really cherry picks his stuff and that's why he's misunderstood. rodgers is an exceptionally intelligent dude.
 he thinks for himself and he's confident.  people like these traits in others when they are in agreement with them.  when he says unpopular stuff, people jump on him-remember, the media tries to drive the narrative and will only print or repeat what fills that space.  when all you have is a few sound bites on each topic, there's always more to the story. 

  his podcasts with mcaffee and hawk are incredibly honest and hilarious.  read not very politically correct
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2021, 07:47:00 AM
   minus 10 out of 10  very short sighted and presumptuous.  i doubt you even liked him before all this covid crap

     i don't believe rodgers does or says anything based on what he thinks the fanbase will like or dislike.  he's true to himself.  he will let his play speak for itself.  you aren't going to fit rodgers into any little row with any other person or player and he doesn't try to be like anyone else or speak for anyone else.  i just sit back and listen.   

   the media really cherry picks his stuff and that's why he's misunderstood. rodgers is an exceptionally intelligent dude.
 he thinks for himself and he's confident.  people like these traits in others when they are in agreement with them.  when he says unpopular stuff, people jump on him-remember, the media tries to drive the narrative and will only print or repeat what fills that space.  when all you have is a few sound bites on each topic, there's always more to the story. 

  his podcasts with mcaffee and hawk are incredibly honest and hilarious.  read not very politically correct

This validates my beliefs
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 06, 2021, 07:49:07 AM
   minus 10 out of 10  very short sighted and presumptuous.  i doubt you even liked him before all this covid crap

     i don't believe rodgers does or says anything based on what he thinks the fanbase will like or dislike.  he's true to himself.  he will let his play speak for itself.  you aren't going to fit rodgers into any little row with any other person or player and he doesn't try to be like anyone else or speak for anyone else.  i just sit back and listen.   

   the media really cherry picks his stuff and that's why he's misunderstood. rodgers is an exceptionally intelligent dude.
 he thinks for himself and he's confident.  people like these traits in others when they are in agreement with them.  when he says unpopular stuff, people jump on him-remember, the media tries to drive the narrative and will only print or repeat what fills that space.  when all you have is a few sound bites on each topic, there's always more to the story. 

  his podcasts with mcaffee and hawk are incredibly honest and hilarious.  read not very politically correct

Other than the fact that he lied and was factually inaccurate about Covid vaccinations and treatments.

Not exactly sure why you are blaming "the media" here.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2021, 08:04:20 AM
Other than the fact that he lied and was factually inaccurate about Covid vaccinations and treatments.

Not exactly sure why you are blaming "the media" here.

Those who preach personal responsibility are usually the ones that need a boogeyman to blame and the media is an easy scapegoat.  It’s a default setting in the feeble-minded
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 06, 2021, 09:33:23 AM
So if this isn’t new and everyone knew he’s always been this guy what’s the big deal?

To me, it really isn’t. He’s the same guy he always was. We have had 2 very flawed men at QB for the last 30 years. A drug addict grifter and a self-absorbed narcissist. Neither was ever a hero or role model to me. I just enjoyed the way they played the game.

The only issue for me here is that Rodgers is not vaccinated. I have zero respect or tolerance for non-vaccinated people.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 06, 2021, 09:34:29 AM
I’ve suspected this kind of stuff the last few years.

I’m just surprised he shared it so openly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 06, 2021, 09:41:00 AM
I’ve suspected this kind of stuff the last few years.

I’m just surprised he shared it so openly.

Being rich and famous makes you really smart about life.  ::)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 06, 2021, 09:49:25 AM
Not exactly sure why you are blaming "the media" here.
Reflex
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 06, 2021, 09:54:55 AM
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-week-9-bold-predictions-jordan-love-leads-packers-to-win-over-chiefs-aaron-d
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 06, 2021, 11:24:40 AM
Lol at the idea that Rodgers is “true to himself.” The dude’s entire lifestyle and interests change entirely based on who he’s dating.

Also lol at the idea that Rodgers “lets his play do the talking”…while in the same breath talking about how great the weekly podcast he does to talk about how great he is, how his franchise should give him more control, and to preach about what a great guy he is and tell everyone how they should be living their life.

But yeah. It’s the media’s fault. Witch hunt, cancel culture mob, etc. He learned from a clown on how to draw other clowns in. And he certainly got one to do so here!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on November 06, 2021, 11:45:15 AM
To me, it really isn’t. He’s the same guy he always was. We have had 2 very flawed men at QB for the last 30 years. A drug addict grifter and a self-absorbed narcissist. Neither was ever a hero or role model to me. I just enjoyed the way they played the game.

The only issue for me here is that Rodgers is not vaccinated. I have zero respect or tolerance for non-vaccinated people.

I have a friend Jockey that has a number of serious allergies including eggs, tree nuts, and shellfish.  She got COVID in April 2020 and was in the hospital for a week.  She decided to get vaccinated because her doctor was adamant.  Her reaction to the first Moderna shot was bad but tolerable.  She had a moderate fever for a week and was incredibly fatigued.  Her reaction to the 2nd shot was worse than when she was hospitalized for COVID.  We're talking 104 temperature for days, nausea, breathing issues, serious vertigo, and constant shaking.  It took her 3 weeks for the most part to recover but it was extremely scary.  So while I'm not defending Rodgers there are people with serious allergies that may be hesitant or refuse to get vaccinated.    If she had to do it over again she absolutely would not have gotten vaccinated and will not get a booster shot.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 06, 2021, 12:02:59 PM
I have a friend Jockey that has a number of serious allergies including eggs, tree nuts, and shellfish.  She got COVID in April 2020 and was in the hospital for a week.  She decided to get vaccinated because her doctor was adamant.  Her reaction to the first Moderna shot was bad but tolerable.  She had a moderate fever for a week and was incredibly fatigued.  Her reaction to the 2nd shot was worse than when she was hospitalized for COVID.  We're talking 104 temperature for days, nausea, breathing issues, serious vertigo, and constant shaking.  It took her 3 weeks to for the most part to recover but it was extremely scary.  So while I'm not defending Rodgers there are people with serious allergies that may be hesitant or refuse to get vaccinated.    If she had to do it over again she absolutely would not have gotten vaccinated and will not get a booster shot.

I should have added the caveat for those with REAL medical conditions like your friend. Those are legit.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 06, 2021, 12:49:15 PM
When in doubt, blame the media, the woke mob and cancel culture.

After AR retires from football, he’s got a future as a Scoop-postin’ dentist.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 06, 2021, 12:51:44 PM
I know they’re getting 8 tomorrow, but that Chiefs team can’t stop anyone, certainly not the run. Packers +8 is quite appetizing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on November 06, 2021, 01:34:33 PM
I should have added the caveat for those with REAL medical conditions like your friend. Those are legit.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 06, 2021, 01:41:47 PM
When in doubt, blame the media, the woke mob and cancel culture.

After AR retires from football, he’s got a future as a Scoop-postin’ dentist.

Better than a disgraced "journalist", aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 06, 2021, 02:03:59 PM
I have a friend Jockey that has a number of serious allergies including eggs, tree nuts, and shellfish.  She got COVID in April 2020 and was in the hospital for a week.  She decided to get vaccinated because her doctor was adamant.  Her reaction to the first Moderna shot was bad but tolerable.  She had a moderate fever for a week and was incredibly fatigued.  Her reaction to the 2nd shot was worse than when she was hospitalized for COVID.  We're talking 104 temperature for days, nausea, breathing issues, serious vertigo, and constant shaking.  It took her 3 weeks to for the most part to recover but it was extremely scary.  So while I'm not defending Rodgers there are people with serious allergies that may be hesitant or refuse to get vaccinated.    If she had to do it over again she absolutely would not have gotten vaccinated and will not get a booster shot.

Nope, she’s evil. Allergies are no excuse. My wife’s friend was told by her doctor she couldn’t take the vaccines due to allergies. We’re going to make her sleep in her car at the nearest homeless camp when she visits in two weeks and wear a hazmat suit if she wants to see us.

After this Jocky’s post I think I’m going have to fire my assistant too. Her husband is unvaccinated. He got COVID but she didn’t. I can’t take the chance anymore. Unless she injects him in his sleep she’s gone.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 06, 2021, 02:51:26 PM
Nope, she’s evil. Allergies are no excuse. My wife’s friend was told by her doctor she couldn’t take the vaccines due to allergies. We’re going to make her sleep in her car at the nearest homeless camp when she visits in two weeks and wear a hazmat suit if she wants to see us.

After this Jocky’s post I think I’m going have to fire my assistant too. Her husband is unvaccinated. He got COVID but she didn’t. I can’t take the chance anymore. Unless she injects him in his sleep she’s gone.

Are you ever honest?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 06, 2021, 02:58:48 PM
Are you ever honest?

Aaron Rodgers isn’t
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 06, 2021, 03:32:57 PM
Rodgers loses his sponsorship gig with Prevea Health.

(https://c.tenor.com/P0-0XgrLxO4AAAAd/joe-exotic-tiger-king.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 06, 2021, 04:12:18 PM
When in doubt, blame the media, the woke mob and cancel culture.

After AR retires from football, he’s got a future as a Scoop-postin’ dentist.


Pretty sure those in da klub wood welcome 'im, sans Smithy, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 06, 2021, 04:48:51 PM
Rodgers loses his sponsorship gig with Prevea Health.

(https://c.tenor.com/P0-0XgrLxO4AAAAd/joe-exotic-tiger-king.gif)


I mean sure.  But a local health care company has to do this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on November 06, 2021, 05:02:11 PM
So if this isn’t new and everyone knew he’s always been this guy what’s the big deal?

FWIW I think this is the vaccine issue in a nutshell.  It turns the conspiratorial weirdos who think that being a critical thinker means being anti-occam's razor from harmless people I think are strange but otherwise don't affect me into obstacles for me to have my pre-covid life back. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 06, 2021, 05:06:53 PM
FWIW I think this is the vaccine issue in a nutshell.  It turns the conspiratorial weirdos who think that being a critical thinker means being anti-occam's razor from harmless people I think are strange but otherwise don't affect me into obstacles for me to have my pre-covid life back. 


Yes.  Exactly.  My high school classmate who is deep into Pruvit ketone supplements, is also deep into anti-vax bullsh*t.  The former was equal parts annoying and amusing.  The latter is infuriating. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 06, 2021, 05:17:11 PM

Yes.  Exactly.  My high school classmate who is deep into Pruvit ketone supplements, is also deep into anti-vax bullsh*t.  The former was equal parts annoying and amusing.  The latter is infuriating.

I always find it odd how the people who are anti-vax, because it is a foreign substance. Are also the "natural-paths" who will literally ingest small quantities of known poisons...because nature. Ingest all kinds of toxic natural substances, because nature is good for you.

Nature has evolved for billions of years to make the most potent and toxic poisons and pathogens there are.

I also find this same group to be the ones paying a lot of money to have some random center inject all kinds of micronutrients/vitamins/crap, that are all untested and unproven, because "natural".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 06, 2021, 06:51:35 PM
Gotta give Rodgers credit for never getting shot up with Toradol. I mean I’m 100% sure he’s never gotten one, because if a Covid shot is bad, imagine the long term impact from Toradol.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 07, 2021, 12:29:32 PM
John Harbaugh uses a challenge to move a 3rd and 3 to a 3rd and 7 with the announcers saying it was a good use of the challenge since it would be harder to convert the 3rd down.  (Not taking into account challenges are a limited resource in the NFL.)

Vikings throw a 55 yard TD pass on 3rd down.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 07, 2021, 01:43:13 PM
Some eye opening scores so far.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 07, 2021, 02:23:42 PM
Sam Darnold should be future endeavored, he’s been atrocious today.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 07, 2021, 02:35:53 PM
Pure chaos in the NFL today. Love it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2021, 03:41:13 PM
I retract any statement made in the past proclaiming Buffalo the best team in the AFC.  I regret the error
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 07, 2021, 03:42:12 PM
Sam Darnold should be future endeavored, he’s been atrocious today.

Yes. Thank goodness MU starts playing Tuesday, cuz my NFL season is pretty much over.

Panthers need a QB again. Unfortunately, they’ve committed $18M+ to this guy. Ugh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 07, 2021, 03:46:12 PM
The Lions didn't lose today.  I figured if a team could find a way to lose a bye week, it would be Detroit.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 07, 2021, 03:54:40 PM
I retract any statement made in the past proclaiming Buffalo the best team in the AFC.  I regret the error

Things become clearer when you get off the handles.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 07, 2021, 04:30:40 PM
Two awful calls on the same play. Pretty obvious it hit Taylor on that punt and even if it didn’t, shouldn’t have that been ruled down inside the 10?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 07, 2021, 04:34:35 PM
Two awful calls on the same play. Pretty obvious it hit Taylor on that punt and even if it didn’t, shouldn’t have that been ruled down inside the 10?

I know I complain about the atrocious special teams every week.

But even I couldn’t imagine them being this bad.

This would be embarrassing for a high school team. Unforgivable for the NFL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 07, 2021, 04:50:42 PM
The rest of the team is not playing well, but Jordan Love is not inspiring confidence
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 07, 2021, 04:56:11 PM
Dish is right, Chiefs aren’t good. This would’ve been a win with Rodgers. “Immunized” Rodgers going to cost the Packers the 1 seed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 07, 2021, 04:57:20 PM
Twice in one half, special teams came out with only 10 guys on the field.

We’re getting to Keystone Kops territory.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 07, 2021, 04:58:07 PM
Only down 13-0 at half . Pack can still win this thing .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2021, 05:04:29 PM
Dish is right, Chiefs aren’t good. This would’ve been a win with Rodgers. “Immunized” Rodgers going to cost the Packers the 1 seed.

They’re terrible.  They need a real number 1 at WR and a more dynamic back.  Mahomes needs to get it to Kelce more, too.  Take those plays
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 07, 2021, 05:08:27 PM
Only down 13-0 at half . Pack can still win this thing .

Nah.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 07, 2021, 05:12:46 PM
Only down 13-0 at half . Pack can still win this thing .

When you’re down 13, you can’t win when you don’t score.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 07, 2021, 05:14:39 PM
Keystone kops.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 07, 2021, 05:15:14 PM
Twice in one half, special teams came out with only 10 guys on the field.

We’re getting to Keystone Kops territory.

Special teams clearly didn't show up to play. Look like they are almost actively trying to sabotage Love.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on November 07, 2021, 05:25:48 PM
Is it conceivable Rodgers will not be back?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2021, 05:30:43 PM
Is it conceivable Rodgers will not be back?

No
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 07, 2021, 05:34:38 PM
How bout them Jags
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on November 07, 2021, 05:39:08 PM
I think Rodgers could conceivably quit. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2021, 05:43:01 PM
I think Rodgers could conceivably quit.

Not a chance
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 07, 2021, 05:43:07 PM
I think Rodgers could conceivably quit.

And give up on all the attention he gets? The guy needs to be needed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 07, 2021, 05:44:15 PM
I think Rodgers could conceivably quit.

Why would he do that?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 07, 2021, 05:52:19 PM
And give up on all the attention he gets? The guy needs to be needed.

This, as soon as he’s done he’s out of the spotlight and deep down he knows that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on November 07, 2021, 05:57:42 PM
Why would he do that?

Maybe for more attention and out of spite?  I dunno....just throwing it out there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2021, 06:03:31 PM
Maybe for more attention and out of spite?  I dunno....just throwing it out there.

If anything, he’ll come back even more angry and motivated.  He’s got that gene in him where any slight, perceived or real drives him
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 07, 2021, 06:05:32 PM
Benkert has covid as well.

Bortles to the rescue.

Should’ve gone with this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 07, 2021, 06:06:49 PM
Right now Jordan Love is not looking like an NFL starting QB. Not seeing the field well enough, not accurate enough.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 07, 2021, 06:07:04 PM
I think Rodgers cares too much about his legacy to retire when he’s still playing well. I think he’d love a second Super Bowl to top Favre.

I don’t know if it’s the playcalling or Love getting happy feet, but the 6 step drops with tons of pressure didn’t help.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 07, 2021, 06:08:00 PM
#10 is fookin' awful. Dude duzant have it and likely never will. Peddle his ass for a couple kicking tees and give #12 the keys to the city and beg him to stay, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on November 07, 2021, 06:08:41 PM
If anything, he’ll come back even more angry and motivated.  He’s got that gene in him where any slight, perceived or real drives him

That certainly could happen. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2021, 06:12:30 PM
#10 is fookin' awful. Dude duzant have it and likely never will. Peddle his ass for a couple kicking tees and give #12 the keys to the city and beg him to stay, aina?

$28 million over the cap keeping him.  He’ll need to peddle the keys to help the Pack
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on November 07, 2021, 06:17:07 PM
Green Bay is going to win this game.  KC looks awful in general to me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 07, 2021, 06:19:43 PM
Green Bay is going to win this game.  KC looks awful in general to me.

Had our previous drive not gone 7 minutes for 60 yards and an INT they might’ve but Pack can’t score quickly with Love under center.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 07, 2021, 06:33:11 PM
If I were a GB fan, I’d be ticked. That was as winnable a game (outside of the division) that they could get.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 07, 2021, 06:34:15 PM
I had no idea that Terry Bradshaw was part of the woke mob.
https://twitter.com/gifdsports/status/1457399613892272132

Rodgers clearly cost them this game, question is how many more?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 07, 2021, 06:36:03 PM
If I were a GB fan, I’d be ticked. That was as winnable a game (outside of the division) that they could get.

Qaron can ask Joe Rogan about time travel
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 07, 2021, 06:37:19 PM
This will get lost in the shuffle, and the final score wasn’t indicative of it, but the Cardinals laid the wood to the Niners. That’s the kind of loss that gets people fired.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 07, 2021, 06:41:11 PM
Was delighted to see the Saints lose to the Falcons

 Bucs have a bye week and hopefully get back to form ext week.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 07, 2021, 06:45:21 PM
If I were a GB fan, I’d be ticked. That was as winnable a game (outside of the division) that they could get.

Yep. One very selfish, misinformed, misguided person cost the Packers this game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 07, 2021, 06:47:34 PM
What a metaphor.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 07, 2021, 06:53:07 PM
Leave it to the Wieners Circle ...

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Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on November 07, 2021, 06:55:46 PM
Leave it to the Wieners Circle ...

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Lol.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 07, 2021, 07:04:12 PM
Packers should have still won that game, but the inability of Love to carve up one of the worst defenses is concerning. One week does not a career make, but eek. We'll see what they can do with a full week with Love as the 1.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 07, 2021, 07:05:10 PM
I think Rodgers could conceivably quit.

Literally 0 chance
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUeng on November 07, 2021, 07:16:31 PM
Love looks to be a serviceable backup but is not the future. GB defense was stout today. Chiefs have fallen hard and fast, they are very average.  Rodgers is pissed and ready to carve up the next opponent,  no doubt
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 07, 2021, 07:19:31 PM
The next opponent he is cleared to play against.     
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 07, 2021, 07:40:45 PM
Maybe for more attention and out of spite?  I dunno....just throwing it out there.

Nah, he fancies himself as the Michael Jordan of football.

And he isn't.

The man lives on hate.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on November 07, 2021, 07:48:26 PM
This will get lost in the shuffle, and the final score wasn’t indicative of it, but the Cardinals laid the wood to the Niners. That’s the kind of loss that gets people fired.

Cmon man, Colt McCoy, James Conner, and Christian Kirk is an unstoppable big three that most teams could only dream of.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 07, 2021, 07:55:06 PM
Love looks to be a serviceable backup but is not the future. GB defense was stout today. Chiefs have fallen hard and fast, they are very average.  Rodgers is pissed and ready to carve up the next opponent,  no doubt


AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaacccctuallly.... he is sh!t.

NEXT PLEASE.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 07, 2021, 08:03:25 PM
Two things we now agree on. Pretty soon we'll be bros and exchangin' Christmas presents, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 07, 2021, 08:05:50 PM
Two things we now agree on. Pretty soon we'll be bros and exchangin' Christmas presents, aina?

I think you know better than this.

We probably agree on much much more.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 07, 2021, 08:56:36 PM
Cmon man, Colt McCoy, James Conner, and Christian Kirk is an unstoppable big three that most teams could only dream of.


Shanahan has had one good year. For the other four, he is 19-37.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 07, 2021, 08:59:48 PM
Titans need to keep it up in the second half . A Rams loss would help Packers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 07, 2021, 10:12:36 PM

AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaacccctuallly.... he is sh!t.

NEXT PLEASE.

I've been saying that since they drafted him. Today was not a surprise.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 07, 2021, 10:19:51 PM
AFC went 6-1 vs the NFC in interconference games today. If you told me before the day started that the one win would belong to NYG, I would not have believed you.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 07, 2021, 10:47:26 PM
I didn't think Love was that bad today. He certainly would be one of the 5 worst starters in the league but it was his first start with less than a weeks prep in an offense built for another qb. A lot of qbs wouldn't perform well in those circumstances. Hell, until the last drive he had a higher qb rating than Mahomes tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 08, 2021, 05:47:40 AM
I didn't think Love was that bad today. He certainly would be one of the 5 worst starters in the league but it was his first start with less than a weeks prep in an offense built for another qb. A lot of qbs wouldn't perform well in those circumstances. Hell, until the last drive he had a higher qb rating than Mahomes tonight.

That’s cause Mahomes was playing against a stronger defense. Not ready to throw him out yet because of the other things you mention, but that wasn’t encouraging.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2021, 06:00:54 AM
That’s cause Mahomes was playing against a stronger defense. Not ready to throw him out yet because of the other things you mention, but that wasn’t encouraging.

He wasn’t good but I’m not certain LaFleur had a great game plan to utilize what Love could do well but that’s partly on the selfishness of 12.  Felt like he got away from the run too much and didn’t utilize more of what Love does well which was the quick throw concepts instead of the drop back stuff, especially on 3rd downs.  Learning curve for coach and QB and I’d suspect they could correct that if he’s in for another game.  Offensive line won’t grade out particularly well but the Chiefs were throwing the kitchen sink at them on obvious throwing downs.  Feels like a game where they probably missed Tonyan
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 08, 2021, 06:08:30 AM
Packers playoff seeding got some help with a lot of the better teams in the NFC losing today
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 08, 2021, 06:14:43 AM
Love looked like he struggled to read a defense before the snap, struggled to anticipate wide receivers breaking open, and was very off the mark on many of his throws, even easy ones. Those are things that are not scheme dependent.

When Favre got hurt in Dallas and we saw Rodgers for the first time, we knew we had something. This was entirely the opposite. It explained why Gutey had to bow to Rodgers after Rodgers ripped him apart every way he could this offseason. And it’s why he’ll do it again next offseason.

Love is young and will hopefully improve. But he certainly doesn’t appear to be the next in line of Hall of Fame quarterback play for the Packers. Him leading the NCAA in interceptions despite playing in the Mountain West Conference probably should’ve been a bigger red flag than the Packers made it. I don’t care who his team lost, can you imagine what Burrow or Herbert would’ve done in the MWC?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashSean on November 08, 2021, 06:20:30 AM
Those if you ready to throw love to the wolves, do you not remember rodgers first year?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 08, 2021, 06:23:29 AM
I think we have to realize Love only has one real off-season and pre-season under his belt. I think Rodgers had a lot more experience going into the Dallas game.

That’s not to say he’s going to be a serviceable qb. This didn’t make me feel great, but I’m not ready to write him off. Granted, I’m someone who tried to be optimistic about Wojo for at least the first 5 years.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 08, 2021, 06:26:08 AM
Those if you ready to throw love to the wolves, do you not remember rodgers first year?

Yes the Packers were 6-10, but Rodgers still threw for over 4,000 yards and had 28 touchdowns to 13 interceptions. He wasn’t Hall if Fame Rodgers, but he wasn’t really the problem on that team either.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 08, 2021, 06:36:05 AM
Yes the Packers were 6-10, but Rodgers still threw for over 4,000 yards and had 28 touchdowns to 13 interceptions. He wasn’t Hall if Fame Rodgers, but he wasn’t really the problem on that team either.


Yeah but cmon...  It was his first start.  I'm not going to pile onto a guy based on his first start on the road with short notice.  And my expectations for whomever Roders's successor was going to be was not another HOF QB.  You can be effective in the NFL falling short of that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 08, 2021, 07:03:54 AM
5 years to judge, a’ina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 08, 2021, 07:04:44 AM
5 years to judge, a’ina?
https://sports.yahoo.com/jordan-love-showed-he-isnt-ready-strengthening-aaron-rodgers-hold-on-the-packers-025716301.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 08, 2021, 07:18:12 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/jordan-love-showed-he-isnt-ready-strengthening-aaron-rodgers-hold-on-the-packers-025716301.html


I would be shocked...ABSOLUTELY shocked...if Rodgers is on the Packers next year. 

This ownership model is great when compared to teams with bad owners.  But Bob Harlan ain't coming through that door folks.  Murphy is a great guy and a good CEO-type, but he's not a guy to make bold football related decisions that I can tell.  Case in point: he held onto Ted Thompson for too long when it became apparent to a lot of people that he didn't have it anymore.  I just can't see him firing his choice of GM for the sake of a franchise QB.

Could there be a face saving move where Rodgers gets a huge contract and the Packers mortgage their future for him?  Perhaps but I would be stunned.

And no, the Packer Board won't be stepping in...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 08, 2021, 07:23:41 AM

I would be shocked...ABSOLUTELY shocked...if Rodgers is on the Packers next year. 

This ownership model is great when compared to teams with bad owners.  But Bob Harlan ain't coming through that door folks.  Murphy is a great guy and a good CEO-type, but he's not a guy to make bold football related decisions that I can tell.  Case in point: he held onto Ted Thompson for too long when it became apparent to a lot of people that he didn't have it anymore.  I just can't see him firing his choice of GM for the sake of a franchise QB.

Could there be a face saving move where Rodgers gets a huge contract and the Packers mortgage their future for him?  Perhaps but I would be stunned.

And no, the Packer Board won't be stepping in...
Let’s see how this season plays out . A lot of games left and some key players are coming back from injury. Team could still make a playoff run.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 08, 2021, 07:31:39 AM
Of course they can make a playoff run.  Hell, this team could win the Super Bowl despite what happened yesterday!  They could conceivably finish 7-1 or 6-2 and be a 1 or 2 seed.

But let's say they do that. Packer fans are going to ask, "why are you breaking this up?"

The easiest way for the Packers to make a clean break from AR is if they finish 5-3, lose in the second round, and then they could write him off as a distraction and move on.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2021, 07:50:05 AM

I would be shocked...ABSOLUTELY shocked...if Rodgers is on the Packers next year. 

This ownership model is great when compared to teams with bad owners.  But Bob Harlan ain't coming through that door folks.  Murphy is a great guy and a good CEO-type, but he's not a guy to make bold football related decisions that I can tell.  Case in point: he held onto Ted Thompson for too long when it became apparent to a lot of people that he didn't have it anymore.  I just can't see him firing his choice of GM for the sake of a franchise QB.

Could there be a face saving move where Rodgers gets a huge contract and the Packers mortgage their future for him?  Perhaps but I would be stunned.

And no, the Packer Board won't be stepping in...

If the Packers bring back Rodgers, that puts them $28 million over the cap.  They can get creative with the numbers by extending him but even doing so, a lot of key guys would not be back.  Everything was done to make this a “Last Dance”.

If he wins a Super Bowl, he’s gone.  If they don’t win a Super Bowl, the rebuild begins.  It’s all in for 2021.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 08, 2021, 07:53:55 AM
After Darnold's third pick, WR Robby Anderson could be seen on the sideline screaming at the QB to "tighten up."

That's rich from the guy who leads the league in drops, who can't get open and who can get tackled by a feather on the rare occasion he does make a catch.

But Darnold really did suck yesterday. His stats were terrible, but even they didn't reflect just how bad he was. Almost every pass he threw was delivered late. He nearly got Moore and McCaffrey killed, and he had four passes batted at the line because he held the ball too long. The first INT he threw, which was returned for a TD, looked like something a middle-school QB might throw.

Oh, and I was wrong earlier when I said the Panthers were on the hook for $18M next season. Darnold actually will get paid $18.9M.

Nothing can set an organization back worse than being wrong on a QB. The Panthers are effed.

*** For Packer fans, here's hoping your team wasn't wrong about Love. I'm in the camp of "it's way too soon to know." Y'all will get to find out next year after he's had an entire offseason to prepare and after the offense is built around his skill set.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 08, 2021, 07:58:13 AM
Honestly there was something in that game tape that you could point at and say "Jordan Love doesn't have it," or conversely "Jordan Love showed a bit of potential."

His adrenaline was up in the first half and he was missing throws/placing balls poorly... but even then he wasn't airmailing shots over the middle into a cover-2 safety or not noticing LBs sitting in zone coverage. He wasn't reading the blitzers well and he didn't get Adams working into the space voided by those blitzers like we're used to Rodgers doing with his eyes closed... but that could be a "lack of reps together/lack of reps period" issue and not a "this guy can't play the position" thing.

Was he effective? No. He was mediocre to bad, but the only reason you look at that tape and say "he's unsalvageable garbage" is if you *want* him to be unsalvageable garbage (or possibly because the odds are against every single QB being good so if you want the safe bet you just put your chips on "he's bad" and expect the dice roll not to beat you, but that's a pretty boring thing to do).

End of the day, yes nothing in what he put on tape Sunday makes me think he's going to start the world on fire. Rodgers gives GB the best chance of winning this year and next year (even if the odds of him returning are slim and growing slimmer). But I'm also not ready to declare Love to be Ty Detmer and catapult him into the sun.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 08, 2021, 08:08:43 AM
I thought in the drive he ended with an interception, he looked pretty good. He was setting his feet in the pocket and getting the ball out. I don’t know if the Chiefs stopped blitzing for awhile, or if some adjustments were made.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 08, 2021, 08:19:49 AM
Given the state of the North, I actually hope Rodgers misses the Seattle game. This would be a much more representative game for Love. The kid hasn't even practiced with Adams, who missed the OTAs where Love was the #1 and was on the COVID list until Friday.

It was an uninspiring game, but I remember Rodgers' beatdown in Baltimore too. I don't think LaFleur did Love a lot of favors running the McCarthy offense for much of the game. Got away from play action, and more importantly, only handed the ball off 20 times to one of the best running back duos in the league. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 08, 2021, 08:36:07 AM
Nothing that happened yesterday changed my mind about believing the Packers would be below .500 without Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUfan12 on November 08, 2021, 08:54:05 AM
When Favre got hurt in Dallas and we saw Rodgers for the first time, we knew we had something. This was entirely the opposite.

I've seen this a bunch of times. That was the third time Rodgers had extended snaps in a regular season game. The first two times he was absolutely terrible.

Love has good size, a live arm, and is mobile. It's a decent base from which to build off of. What we saw yesterday was no indication of what the rest of his career would be like. As you said, he struggled in a lot of areas that rookie QBs regularly do.

Time will tell, but I'm not ready to write him off after that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 08, 2021, 09:29:48 AM
I've seen this a bunch of times. That was the third time Rodgers had extended snaps in a regular season game. The first two times he was absolutely terrible.

Love has good size, a live arm, and is mobile. It's a decent base from which to build off of. What we saw yesterday was no indication of what the rest of his career would be like. As you said, he struggled in a lot of areas that rookie QBs regularly do.

Time will tell, but I'm not ready to write him off after that.

This. I'd also add that I'm not expecting Green Bay's next QB to be as good as Rodgers or even close to him. Most teams that have won super bowls did so despite not having a QB as good as Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 08, 2021, 09:31:55 AM
This. I'd also add that I'm not expecting Green Bay's next QB to be as good as Rodgers or even close to him. Most teams that have won super bowls did so despite not having a QB as good as Rodgers.
But as Packers fans, it is our god-given right to have a HOF level QB. Everyone knows this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on November 08, 2021, 10:12:11 AM
But as Packers fans, it is our god-given right to have a HOF level QB. Everyone knows this.

And then routinely lose in the NFC Championship game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 08, 2021, 10:59:46 AM
And then routinely lose in the NFC Championship game.

Ouch. But fair.

I was hoping we’d see a better game from Love. I’m not sure how many times he’s practiced with Adams based on Covid and camp attendance.

He looked jittery back there and to me didn’t seem like the plays were built for him. Part of me wonders if the coaches expected the Chiefs offense to be better and needing big plays to keep up rather than runs and quick passes to keep the chains moving.

I’m trying to remember when Rodgers looked competent. He had a good second preseason it looks like. However, in his regular season action he got hurt pretty quickly against the Pats. He looked good in the Dallas game. I remember the early thought was he was injury prone.

Even as a starter his first year, I think he was thought of as more a game manager than a star. He definitely took a leap forward, especially in the playoffs next year. However, it’s not like going from Favre to Rodgers was seamless.

My hope is Love could be a serviceable pro that with the right team around him, can lead us to a Super Bowl. It’s not like some of the recent Super Bowl Qbs are future HOF’s.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2021, 11:04:57 AM
Ouch. But fair.

I was hoping we’d see a better game from Love. I’m not sure how many times he’s practiced with Adams based on Covid and camp attendance.

He looked jittery back there and to me didn’t seem like the plays were built for him. Part of me wonders if the coaches expected the Chiefs offense to be better and needing big plays to keep up rather than runs and quick passes to keep the chains moving.

I’m trying to remember when Rodgers looked competent. He had a good second preseason it looks like. However, in his regular season action he got hurt pretty quickly against the Pats. He looked good in the Dallas game. I remember the early thought was he was injury prone.

Even as a starter his first year, I think he was thought of as more a game manager than a star. He definitely took a leap forward, especially in the playoffs next year. However, it’s not like going from Favre to Rodgers was seamless.

My hope is Love could be a serviceable pro that with the right team around him, can lead us to a Super Bowl. It’s not like some of the recent Super Bowl Qbs are future HOF’s.

The Packers 2008 defense gave up the lead in a lot of games very late
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 08, 2021, 12:27:22 PM
Nothing that happened yesterday changed my mind about believing the Packers would be below .500 without Rodgers.

Even if they had moved him in the offseason and replaced him with someone a bit better than a hapless inexperienced pseudo-rookie?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 08, 2021, 12:28:02 PM
Like Jared Goff.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 08, 2021, 12:45:54 PM
Or Sam Darnold.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 08, 2021, 12:50:38 PM
This Raiders season will be a 30 for 30 someday.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 08, 2021, 01:05:06 PM
Of course they can make a playoff run.  Hell, this team could win the Super Bowl despite what happened yesterday!  They could conceivably finish 7-1 or 6-2 and be a 1 or 2 seed.

But let's say they do that. Packer fans are going to ask, "why are you breaking this up?"

The easiest way for the Packers to make a clean break from AR is if they finish 5-3, lose in the second round, and then they could write him off as a distraction and move on.
What is the rush to get rid of Raiders. He is still playing at a very high level and has shown no decline. Good quarterbacks don’t grow on trees . I say ride his ability as long as possible.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2021, 01:17:27 PM
What is the rush to get rid of Raiders. He is still playing at a very high level and has shown no decline. Good quarterbacks don’t grow on trees . I say ride his ability as long as possible.

They will be $28 million over the cap and he has a stated desire to leave.  The train has left the station.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 08, 2021, 01:35:42 PM
Good on state farm
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 08, 2021, 01:54:21 PM
Good on state farm

Actually, State Farm is the thing where the NFL can go after Rodgers if they want to fine or suspend him. Under the Covid agreement with the NFLPA, players who aren't vaccinated were banned from social/media/marketing/sponsorship activities. So, if he did any of this after early June when the deal was struck...

We'll need to wait and see what State Farm does. On a normal Sunday, about 25% of State Farm commercials feature ARod. Yesterday it was less than 2%.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 08, 2021, 02:24:25 PM
Like Jared Goff.

Goff isn't great and he's twisting in the wind on a horrible Lions team, but he made 2 Pro Bowls and was competent enough to lead the Rams to a Super Bowl.  I think with LaFleur, a great running game, and a top 3 WR he'd be capable enough to have the Packers in good shape.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 08, 2021, 02:36:44 PM
That is fair.  With a decent line and decent receivers, he could be a game manager.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on November 08, 2021, 02:43:55 PM
Good on state farm

To not end their sponsorship deal with discount double vax?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 08, 2021, 03:50:18 PM
This Raiders season will be a 30 for 30 someday.

Arnette was a really questionable pick too.  Dude was a 2nd-3rd round projection and had tons of character concerns to reach for him in the 1st.  Pretty sure he crashed like 3-4 rental cars before his first season even started if I recall.  This is pretty bleak

https://twitter.com/KuhnTristen/status/1455746547879235585?s=20

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 08, 2021, 03:58:11 PM
Arnette was a really questionable pick too.  Dude was a 2nd-3rd round projection and had tons of character concerns to reach for him in the 1st.  Pretty sure he crashed like 3-4 rental cars before his first season even started if I recall.  This is pretty bleak

https://twitter.com/KuhnTristen/status/1455746547879235585?s=20

A pick acquired in the Mack trade with the Bears.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 08, 2021, 06:31:27 PM
Is Mayock going to be able to convince Davis these guys were Gruden's idea? To say nothing of guys like Clelin Ferrell who are just bad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 08, 2021, 07:22:02 PM
Is Mayock going to be able to convince Davis these guys were Gruden's idea? To say nothing of guys like Clelin Ferrell who are just bad.

I don't think any convincing is necessary. Davis gave Gruden control. He knows who called the shots.
Doesn't mean Mayock is safe by any means, but everyone in the building knows Gruden made the big decisions. The Day 3 picks, where they've done quite well ( Crosby, Renfrow, Hobbs) probably belong to Mayock.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 08, 2021, 07:32:53 PM
Is Mayock going to be able to convince Davis these guys were Gruden's idea? To say nothing of guys like Clelin Ferrell who are just bad.

So its funny, all of the Raiders early round picks from Bama were good.  The rest are awful.  Josh Jacobs went over 1000 yards his first 2 seasons and made a Pro Bowl.  Alex Leatherwood looks like a good pick, though drafting a tackle in the first round and moving him to guard is kind of a miss.  Honestly, I don't think the Ruggs pick is that bad.  Everything is looked at through a hindsight lens, but Ruggs wasn't a character issue in college, he was super talented, and played pretty well before all of this happened.  Its not like Arnette where the warning signs were there just waiting to explode.  Other than him driving fast a previous time that came out after Ruggs didn't give indications that he was gonna be an issue.

That 2019 early draft was brutal too.  Abrams has been ehh, Mullens cant stay healthy, and Isiah Johnson got waived already.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 08, 2021, 08:11:00 PM
Justin Fields throws tonight have been wildly inaccurate.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 08, 2021, 08:15:36 PM
Love Nagy.

More of the same crap that hasn't worked for years.

No screens. Few designed runs. No boots. Little play action. Little moving the pocket.

Terrible penalities that come down to coaching. Terrible use of timeouts. Inability to get plays in on time.

Such a joke.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 08, 2021, 08:20:14 PM
Love Nagy.

More of the same crap that hasn't worked for years.

No screens. Few designed runs. No boots. Little play action. Little moving the pocket.

Terrible penalities that come down to coaching. Terrible use of timeouts. Inability to get plays in on time.

Such a joke.

The end is near
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 08, 2021, 08:29:55 PM
Leave Nagy the F in Pennsylvania.  He's a few hours from his hometown.  Sees some things be remotely successful last week when he was out...and learns nothing from it.  What a clown show.

Glad we got some gratuitous shots and praise of Virginia as she happily watches the franchise she and her idiot offspring have ran into the ground.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 08, 2021, 08:39:06 PM
Leave Nagy the F in Pennsylvania.  He's a few hours from his hometown.  Sees some things be remotely successful last week when he was out...and learns nothing from it.  What a clown show.

Glad we got some gratuitous shots and praise of Virginia as she happily watches the franchise she and her idiot offspring have ran into the ground.

That was brutal
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on November 08, 2021, 08:41:29 PM
I forgot Jimmy Graham was still on the Bears squad.  That was sooo catchable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 08, 2021, 08:49:49 PM
Leave Nagy the F in Pennsylvania.  He's a few hours from his hometown.  Sees some things be remotely successful last week when he was out...and learns nothing from it.  What a clown show.

Glad we got some gratuitous shots and praise of Virginia as she happily watches the franchise she and her idiot offspring have ran into the ground.

https://twitter.com/jon_bois/status/1457898398502301703?s=21

“on every play the bears offense looks like they’re frantically trying to escape the play they called”
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 08, 2021, 08:50:47 PM
I forgot Jimmy Graham was still on the Bears squad.  That was sooo catchable.

I don’t know if I have ever seen a player live longer on his reputation than Jimmy Graham.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 08, 2021, 09:12:59 PM
I mean the Bears are going to lose this game, but come on with this officiating crew.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 08, 2021, 09:14:17 PM
Brutal officiating at the end of that drive.

Terrible call to wipe out the TD, and Fields getting the Cam treatment on late hits.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 08, 2021, 09:55:21 PM
Fields with some really nice throws this game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 08, 2021, 10:06:53 PM
11/110
2/15

What a joke.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 08, 2021, 10:10:11 PM
Brian Griese sure does loves Chicago, huh?

Brutal officiating though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 08, 2021, 10:10:40 PM
I am SO far from a Bears fan, but I’m rooting for Fields to pull out this game.

That’s some bush-ass officiating.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 08, 2021, 10:12:55 PM
Fields with some really nice throws this game.

He's coming into his own. 

And this has been atrocious.  Ive been watching openly fine with them losing cause Nagy needs to go.  But the officiating has been terrible, gotten more texts during a Bear game than all season cause of it.  But its drawn me in and Id LOVE for Fields to get the confidence a comeback could bring
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 08, 2021, 10:31:12 PM
Am I the only one who thought the spike to try to get a penalty was incredibly stupid?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 08, 2021, 10:37:28 PM
Kicking there was so dumb. Santos doesn’t have anywhere near that leg, and you also ruin his streak.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 08, 2021, 10:38:55 PM
Kicking there was so dumb. Santos doesn’t have anywhere near that leg, and you also ruin his streak.

Streaks no matter.  But should have been a hail mary.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 08, 2021, 10:42:37 PM
Am I the only one who thought the spike to try to get a penalty was incredibly stupid?

You are not. Clock didn’t matter at that point and you have two short yardage attempts to get the first down before kicking.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 08, 2021, 10:45:28 PM
Will Nagy make it to bye week?  Now is the time to move on him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 08, 2021, 11:04:48 PM
11/110
2/15

What a joke.

One of the few games where you can honestly say that the officials may have decided the outcome.

On the other hand, they could have called the Bears for lining up in the neutral zone another 8-10 times. That is ALL on the coaching. Most players have figured that out in PeeWee football.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 08, 2021, 11:07:02 PM
Am I the only one who thought the spike to try to get a penalty was incredibly stupid?

It only came out that way cuz the Bears screwed up. The guy that was running off the field was the 11th defender. If Ben plays it out, the Bears are undermanned.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 08, 2021, 11:11:18 PM
One of the few games where you can honestly say that the officials may have decided the outcome.

On the other hand, they could have called the Bears for lining up in the neutral zone another 8-10 times. That is ALL on the coaching. Most players have figured that out in PeeWee football.

No argument here, I noticed early in the game, the d line was always REALLY close to the neutral zone. That’s just inexcusable, and probably should have been called more on Chicago.

The lack of a roughing call at the end of the first half was as egregious as any of the penalties called.

Najee Harris on Twitter calling BS on ESPN’s brutal MNF narrative of him allegedly sleeping on the floor at Bama. I hate the MNF broadcast, it’s so over produced around stories and doesn’t focus on the game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 08, 2021, 11:29:42 PM
Marsh's stupidity is mind boggling.

After the game he said the ref intentionally hip-checked him as he ran off the field.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 08, 2021, 11:30:46 PM
Marsh's stupidity is mind boggling.

After the game he said the ref intentionally hip-checked him as he ran off the field.

I don't know what the ref did with intention.

But the video replays don't make the ref look good.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 08, 2021, 11:32:42 PM
Corrente better not get a post season assignment. Below is a Twitter excerpt from the pool reporter and Corrente postgame.

Referee Tony Corrente on the Cassius Marsh call:
"I saw the player, after he made a big play, run toward the bench area of the Steelers and posture in a way that I felt he was taunting them."

Did the contact between Marsh and Corrente factor into the penalty?

Corrente: "No, not at all. I didn't judge that as anything that I dealt with."

Are you sure?

Corrente: "That had nothing to do with it. It was the taunting aspect."

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 08, 2021, 11:38:34 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/justin-fields-deep-pass-cole-033742140.html

This pretty much reflects my sentiment on the Bears offense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 08, 2021, 11:46:21 PM
Marsh's stupidity is mind boggling.

After the game he said the ref intentionally hip-checked him as he ran off the field.

Intentional, probably not. But he sure didn’t make any effort to get out of the way.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 09, 2021, 04:41:05 AM
Intentional, probably not. But he sure didn’t make any effort to get out of the way.

Why should he get out of the way? It looked like he couldn’t find his flag.

Anyway I hate taunting calls, but that was what the emphasis is for. Can’t really blame the ref for that one.

Others though…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 09, 2021, 08:01:55 AM
Superbly written critique of the Aaron Rodgers vaccine situation by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:

https://kareem.substack.com/p/aaron-rodgers-didnt-just-lie?campaign_id=4&emc=edit_dk_20211109&instance_id=44940&nl=dealbook&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=73894&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 09, 2021, 08:11:08 AM
The Corrente hip check video gets worse every time I see it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 09, 2021, 08:26:24 AM
Why should he get out of the way? It looked like he couldn’t find his flag.

Anyway I hate taunting calls, but that was what the emphasis is for. Can’t really blame the ref for that one.

Others though…

I have to disagree on this. The emphasis was not for a player flexing/or whatever 40 yards from the opposing bench. That call was absurd.

And live, I didn't think the ref initiated anything. Watching replays, he makes eye contact, and then intentionally turns his hip into the player.

I agree with some of the analysts, if a player did the same thing to a ref, they would have been ejected and fined.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 09, 2021, 08:38:09 AM
But I can’t understand WHY the ref would do that anyway.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 09, 2021, 09:24:49 AM
Why should he get out of the way? It looked like he couldn’t find his flag.

Anyway I hate taunting calls, but that was what the emphasis is for. Can’t really blame the ref for that one.

Others though…

Maybe he doesn't have to jump out of the way, but then don't throw a flag.  I get that players can't touch an official in an effort to protect refs and try to curb aggression, but its gotten to a point where if a ref gets grazed for any reason he reaches for a flag.  And its been going on for years, I remember a game a few years ago where a player was ejected for contact to an official for running up and tapping a ref on the shoulder to get his attention.

But I can’t understand WHY the ref would do that anyway.

I have no clue, but they had been HORRIBLE all game.  Blatantly bad, so I'm sure the Bears were not quiet about it and had been jawing, most likely including Marsh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 09, 2021, 09:25:45 AM
The flag wasn’t for touching the ref though right?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2021, 09:33:49 AM
Every Bears defender ran back toward their own bench after the play. Marsh ran toward the Steelers’ bench. Just stupidity.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2021, 09:37:49 AM
Furthermore, It was Marsh who invaded the ref’s space - he ran right at him. There would have been contact even if the ref didn’t move an inch.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 09, 2021, 09:43:11 AM
Every Bears defender ran back toward their own bench after the play. Marsh ran toward the Steelers’ bench. Just stupidity.

SO running toward your own bench is the way to avoid a taunting penalty?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 09, 2021, 09:45:47 AM
Furthermore, It was Marsh who invaded the ref’s space - he ran right at him. There would have been contact even if the ref didn’t move an inch.

We’ll strongly disagree here. Corrente leans, Marsh pivots left, Corrente sticks his hip out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 09, 2021, 09:47:59 AM
Furthermore, It was Marsh who invaded the ref’s space - he ran right at him. There would have been contact even if the ref didn’t move an inch.

It was very clearly initiated by the ref.

There seems to be a lot of debate on should Marsh be penalized and should this stupid taunting rule even be a thing.

But I am seeing basically unanimous agreement this morning that the ref was at fault on the collision.

Marsh pretty blatantly was show to be trying to swerve to the left of the ref
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2021, 09:52:58 AM
It was very clearly initiated by the ref.

There seems to be a lot of debate on should Marsh be penalized and should this stupid taunting rule even be a thing.

But I am seeing basically unanimous agreement this morning that the ref was at fault on the collision.

Marsh pretty blatantly was show to be trying to swerve to the left of the ref

Um….

He wouldn’t have needed to “try” to swerve if he didn’t run right at the ref.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 09, 2021, 09:59:33 AM
It looked to me like the ref saw Marsh going one way, tried to start moving out of his way at the same time Marsh changes his course, and then the ref just kind of loses his train of thought, while at the same time reaching for his flag.

He wasn't even flagged for running into the ref, right?  If not, what's the big deal?  That the refs were so blatantly out for the Bears that they were trying to hip check them while they run to the sideline?  I have my doubts on that, but maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 09, 2021, 10:07:19 AM
Um….

He wouldn’t have needed to “try” to swerve if he didn’t run right at the ref.

If Marsh had only just never decided to play football as a child, he wouldn't have been in the NFL, and therefore wouldn't have been in a position to make contact with the ref. Ergo, Marsh was at fault.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 09, 2021, 10:15:39 AM
It looked to me like the ref saw Marsh going one way, tried to start moving out of his way at the same time Marsh changes his course, and then the ref just kind of loses his train of thought, while at the same time reaching for his flag.

He wasn't even flagged for running into the ref, right?  If not, what's the big deal?  That the refs were so blatantly out for the Bears that they were trying to hip check them while they run to the sideline?  I have my doubts on that, but maybe I'm wrong.

Yep.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 09, 2021, 10:19:49 AM
Outside of the ref stuff, the taunting call was absolutely terrible.

It's fine for 97 guys to run 50 yards down the field and talk crap to a camera.

But don't you dare take 3 steps towards an opponent bench (even if you make zero motions and don't say any words)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 09, 2021, 10:23:30 AM
Outside of the ref stuff, the taunting call was absolutely terrible.

It's fine for 97 guys to run 50 yards down the field and talk crap to a camera.

But don't you dare take 3 steps towards an opponent bench (even if you make zero motions and don't say any words)

Yep. Taunting should only be a penalty if it rises to the level of taking your football glove off and slapping another player across the face in an overt invitation to duel. Anything short of that should be encouraged.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 09, 2021, 10:25:22 AM
FWIW, I don't think the refs were "out to get" the Bears.  I just think they were horrible and the Bears unfortunately took the brunt of some of the bad calls.

As for the ref, it almost seemed like he was debating throwing the flag and Marsh making contact confirmed him throwing the flag.  Like "ehhh...ok yea, Boom"

Either way, in no way shape or form should that have been a penalty, whether for taunting or contact with the official.  It was just a clown show.  Marsh didn't even come within a few yards of the numbers, much less the sideline.

But the idea that refs are perfectly calm and neutral and don't exhibit pettiness or whatnot in certain instances is silly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 09, 2021, 10:31:23 AM
The most egregious call in the game was the missed late hit on Fields.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 09, 2021, 10:32:04 AM
Taunting call was bad.

To me, ref seemed to be reaching for the flag before contact, so flag wasn't for that.

I just don't know what would motivate the ref to initiate contact. That makes no sense. I think most of us have been in a situation where somebody has walked toward us and we try to step out of the way but we misread where the person was going and accidentally either contact or get close to contacting the person. I mean, I'm trying to play Jr. Shrink here ... I just don't see a situation where a ref intentionally tries to contact a player there. If they somehow can determine that's what this ref did, he should be fired and never allowed to work another game at any level.

The Steelers got most of the calls last night, especially most of the big ones. But the Bears do lose some moral high ground when they do shyte like constantly line up in the neutral zone. I'm watching the game last night and a couple plays after Quinn gets called, I say, "Damn, he's in the neutral zone again!" And he got called again. And a couple plays later, I'm like, "This time the LEFT end is in the neutral zone." And he gets called. It was so obvious, and so stupid. But that doesn't excuse some of the terrible calls/no-calls in that game, and they definitely hurt the Bears.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2021, 10:32:32 AM
FWIW, I don't think the refs were "out to get" the Bears.  I just think they were horrible and the Bears unfortunately took the brunt of some of the bad calls.

As for the ref, it almost seemed like he was debating throwing the flag and Marsh making contact confirmed him throwing the flag.  Like "ehhh...ok yea, Boom"

Either way, in no way shape or form should that have been a penalty, whether for taunting or contact with the official.  It was just a clown show.  Marsh didn't even come within a few yards of the numbers, much less the sideline.

But the idea that refs are perfectly calm and neutral and don't exhibit pettiness or whatnot in certain instances is silly.

I agree with the 1st paragraph, but it was clearly taunting. Marsh came over from the steelers and ran toward their sidelines rather than his own team's just  to do an "in your face".

The issue is the effect it had on the game. I think there should be a rule against taunting - but it needs to be de-coupled from live game action. Football is an emotional game and most of the time it is just a visceral reaction by the player. Instead of penalizing a team, just levy a fine after the player in the week after the game. The NFL does that sort of thing all of the time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2021, 10:34:32 AM
If Marsh had only just never decided to play football as a child, he wouldn't have been in the NFL, and therefore wouldn't have been in a position to make contact with the ref. Ergo, Marsh was at fault.

If God had only created Eve instead of Adam & Eve, we wouldn't have football and this kind of thing would never be an issue.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 09, 2021, 10:36:54 AM
If God had only created Eve instead of Adam & Eve, we wouldn't have football and this kind of thing would never be an issue.

good to see you've come around to seeing how the whole "Marsh shouldn't have put himself in a position where the ref could have caused contact so really he's at fault" position you took wasn't exactly your finest.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 09, 2021, 10:38:52 AM
Outside of the ref stuff, the taunting call was absolutely terrible.

It's fine for 97 guys to run 50 yards down the field and talk crap to a camera.

But don't you dare take 3 steps towards an opponent bench (even if you make zero motions and don't say any words)

There is a clear difference between celebrating and “taunting” a camera, and taunting your opponent.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 09, 2021, 10:41:53 AM
There is a clear difference between celebrating and “taunting” a camera, and taunting your opponent.

If the NFLs goal is to reduce on-field conflict by eliminating emotional interaction, then do it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 09, 2021, 10:44:29 AM
The most important thing last night was Fields performance. He and the offense started off terribly, but, Fields improved throughout the game, and he was arguably the best player on the field last night (or can share it with Watt). PFF has Fields as it’s highest graded QB for the week, and he passed the eye test as well.

Corrente will be disciplined. The egregious calls (Daniels “low block”, missed late hit on Fields) were his calls to make/not make. The league will have little tolerance for him initiating contact with a player. His postgame comments didn’t do him any favors either.

This game will be remembered for a couple different reasons, but ultimately Fields being really good is of most significance.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 09, 2021, 10:45:24 AM
Superbly written critique of the Aaron Rodgers vaccine situation by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:

https://kareem.substack.com/p/aaron-rodgers-didnt-just-lie?campaign_id=4&emc=edit_dk_20211109&instance_id=44940&nl=dealbook&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=73894&te=1&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa



Yeah, and when the pristine Kareem was sitting out Bucks games back in the 70's due to "migraines," but was really was too "high" to play, that was just fine, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 09, 2021, 10:47:24 AM
If the NFLs goal is to reduce on-field conflict by eliminating emotional interaction, then do it.

Do turnover celebrations cause on-field conflict?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 09, 2021, 10:48:30 AM


Yeah, and when the pristine Kareem was sitting out Bucks games back in the 70's due to "migraines," but was really was too "high" to play, that was just fine, hey?

Right. Because no one can have an opinion because they did something dumb 45 years ago. 🙄
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2021, 10:52:34 AM


Yeah, and when the pristine Kareem was sitting out Bucks games back in the 70's due to "migraines," but was really was too "high" to play, that was just fine, hey?

Every time you post, we all get dumber.

But I guess that's what you people do - make fun of people with medical issues.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 09, 2021, 10:54:52 AM
The most important thing last night was Fields performance. He and the offense started off terribly, but, Fields improved throughout the game, and he was arguably the best player on the field last night (or can share it with Watt). PFF has Fields as it’s highest graded QB for the week, and he passed the eye test as well.

Corrente will be disciplined. The egregious calls (Daniels “low block”, missed late hit on Fields) were his calls to make/not make. The league will have little tolerance for him initiating contact with a player. His postgame comments didn’t do him any favors either.

This game will be remembered for a couple different reasons, but ultimately Fields being really good is of most significance.

The biggest takeaway is Fields off script is better than Fields on script.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 09, 2021, 10:56:36 AM
The biggest takeaway is Fields off script is better than Fields on script.

Maybe the problem is the script itself. But I'm hardly the first person to think that Nagy might not be the best scriptwriter.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 09, 2021, 10:59:36 AM


Yeah, and when the pristine Kareem was sitting out Bucks games back in the 70's due to "migraines," but was really was too "high" to play, that was just fine, hey?

You be you.

It's a very good piece by Kareem.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 09, 2021, 11:03:40 AM
Maybe the problem is the script itself. But I'm hardly the first person to think that Nagy might not be the best scriptwriter.

Thats what I texted a few people last night.  Fields is amazing on the move and out of the pocket, both with athleticism, vision, and touch on his throws when moving.  But Nagy seemingly has no clue how to script or draw up that movement properly for him.  So it looks like he's only capable when freelancing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 09, 2021, 11:27:14 AM
I think Fields will be great when someone else is calling the shots that wants to make the offense work for him. I saw a lot of similarities between the Nagy gameplan (for yesterday and the entire season) and LaFleur's on Sunday.

It looked like they were driving a car that was custom-made for someone else (Nick Foles, Aaron Rodgers, etc.). For the Packers, it was perhaps a product of preparation time; for Chicago it's pure quarterback negligence.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 09, 2021, 11:45:14 AM
It looked to me like the ref saw Marsh going one way, tried to start moving out of his way at the same time Marsh changes his course, and then the ref just kind of loses his train of thought, while at the same time reaching for his flag.

He wasn't even flagged for running into the ref, right?  If not, what's the big deal?  That the refs were so blatantly out for the Bears that they were trying to hip check them while they run to the sideline?  I have my doubts on that, but maybe I'm wrong.

The big deal. As Marsh and everyone else talking about this morning has mentioned….isn’t that Marsh was blamed for the contact.

It’s that had Marsh initiated that same contact the player is in deep sh it.

The taunting part is completely separate.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 09, 2021, 12:00:15 PM
Every time you post, we all get dumber.

But I guess that's what you people do - make fun of people with medical issues.


Y'all are so gullible, hey?
Y'all
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2021, 12:08:38 PM
good to see you've come around to seeing how the whole "Marsh shouldn't have put himself in a position where the ref could have caused contact so really he's at fault" position you took wasn't exactly your finest.

Thanks for the life lesson, jficke.  :)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 09, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
I think Fields will be great when someone else is calling the shots that wants to make the offense work for him. I saw a lot of similarities between the Nagy gameplan (for yesterday and the entire season) and LaFleur's on Sunday.

It looked like they were driving a car that was custom-made for someone else (Nick Foles, Aaron Rodgers, etc.). For the Packers, it was perhaps a product of preparation time; for Chicago it's pure quarterback negligence.
Detroit has to be kicking themselves in the heinie for not drafting Fields when they had the chance.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: LON on November 09, 2021, 12:23:21 PM
The Corrente hip check video gets worse every time I see it.

It was slow motion replay, but it almost looks like after he throws the flag he holds his hand up like a follow-through for a long 3 he knows is going in...Marsh taking the steps toward the bench wasn't the smartest, but if that's called on a Packers player I have the same issue with it - I don't feel that should have drawn a flag.  And such an awful time for it to happen as well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 09, 2021, 12:26:03 PM
I think Fields was good both "on" and "off" script.

TD throw to Mooney was off script as were a couple throws to Kmet.

But seam throw to Kmet, deep post to Goodwin and Robinson were all within play design.

So...he's just got the potential to be good regardless if the play breaks down or not?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 09, 2021, 12:28:33 PM
I think Fields will be great when someone else is calling the shots that wants to make the offense work for him. I saw a lot of similarities between the Nagy gameplan (for yesterday and the entire season) and LaFleur's on Sunday.

It looked like they were driving a car that was custom-made for someone else (Nick Foles, Aaron Rodgers, etc.). For the Packers, it was perhaps a product of preparation time; for Chicago it's pure quarterback negligence.

I don't disagree with your overall point, but think you're giving Nagy too much credit.  I don't think he has a custom made offense, for Dalton, for Foles, certainly not for Fields.  Which makes it even worse.  Its not like they came into the year thinking it was all Dalton and they schemed for him.  They were always waffling

I think Fields was good both "on" and "off" script.

TD throw to Mooney was off script as were a couple throws to Kmet.

But seam throw to Kmet, deep post to Goodwin and Robinson were all within play design.

So...he's just got the potential to be good regardless if the play breaks down or not?

Yea, I think the idea of "off script" is just how well he did on the move and out of the pocket.  He certainly has the ability to take advantage of broken down plays or scrambles, but the whole point is he can be effective and comfortable in those ways by design.  If he's better making deep and secondary reads, right now, while on the move or scanning a shifting field/pocket, then scheme for that and not sit him behind a shoddy Oline
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2021, 12:31:50 PM
It was slow motion replay, but it almost looks like after he throws the flag he holds his hand up like a follow-through for a long 3 he knows is going in...Marsh taking the steps toward the bench wasn't the smartest, but if that's called on a Packers player I have the same issue with it - I don't feel that should have drawn a flag.  And such an awful time for it to happen as well.

Agreed. That’s why I said taunting should be a fine - not an in-game penalty. Lightening player’s pocketbooks is the easiest and most effective solution.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 09, 2021, 01:08:57 PM
Detroit has to be kicking themselves in the heinie for not drafting Fields when they had the chance.

Not just Detroit. Plenty of teams.

For example, the Panthers threw all their chips in on Darnold and drafted a CB instead of Fields or Jones. So if Darnold goes on to suck (and he's well on the way to extreme suck-i-tude) and Fields or Jones goes on to excel (obviously, we'll have to see), it will have been a horrible decision by the Panthers. And that's even if Horn (the CB) gets healthy and plays as well as they hope, because QB is that important. If Horn is injury-prone and/or not great, the draft will have been a disaster.

And again, several other teams will have similar tales of woe if Fields or Jones turn out to be stars.

That's the way it always is. I mean, look at all the teams that passed on Marino and Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 09, 2021, 01:23:59 PM
Detroit wanted linemen.  They thought Goff would be good enough rather than running out a rookie on what was sure to be a lousy team.   I actually like Sewell
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 09, 2021, 03:06:12 PM
OBJ lists the Packers as his preferred destination. Does this turn into Rodgers’ version of Thompson not trading for Moss? Or maybe Andre Rison scenario.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 09, 2021, 03:33:03 PM
OBJ lists the Packers as his preferred destination. Does this turn into Rodgers’ version of Thompson not trading for Moss? Or maybe Andre Rison scenario.

Grain of salt to that rumor
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 09, 2021, 03:38:52 PM
Rodgers with the non-apology apology ...

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/11/09/aaron-rodgers-apologizes-for-comments-i-acknowledge-i-am-a-role-model

"I acknowledge am a role model to a lot of people," Rodgers said on the show. "I made some comments that people might have felt were misleading. To anybody who felt misled by those comments, I take full responsibility."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2021, 03:41:52 PM
Grain of salt to that rumor

OBJ may have his preference. That has nothing to do with GB’s preference. I just wonder if GB will try to join the Rams in the arms race to win a SB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 09, 2021, 03:42:30 PM
Rodgers with the non-apology apology ...

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/11/09/aaron-rodgers-apologizes-for-comments-i-acknowledge-i-am-a-role-model

"I acknowledge am a role model to a lot of people," Rodgers said on the show. "I made some comments that people might have felt were misleading. To anybody who felt misled by those comments, I take full responsibility."

"Im sorry you were offended by what I said.  Not sorry about anything I did, but I am sorry you feel bad.  Thats on me"

HOW BRAVE
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2021, 03:45:34 PM
It’s kinda funny that Marsh will get more attention for this than every other thing he does in his NFL career - or probably his entire life.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 09, 2021, 04:35:58 PM
Rodgers with the non-apology apology ...

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/11/09/aaron-rodgers-apologizes-for-comments-i-acknowledge-i-am-a-role-model

"I acknowledge am a role model to a lot of people," Rodgers said on the show. "I made some comments that people might have felt were misleading. To anybody who felt misled by those comments, I take full responsibility."

Took his time, read the room, did the bare minimum.

It'll be enough if he can win some more games.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2021, 05:14:55 PM
Took his time, read the room, did the bare minimum.

It'll be enough if he can win some more games.

Only somewhat. But I think it will dent the hero worship that he generally got in GB.

He brought this all on himself. He lied (not misled) and pushed nutbag theories. His statements have lifted the veil from a lot of fan's eyes. He will still be cheered cuz people want to win the SB and he is GB's only chance. But it will be a little different from now on.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 09, 2021, 05:21:29 PM
Only somewhat. But I think it will dent the hero worship that he generally got in GB.

He brought this all on himself. He lied (not misled) and pushed nutbag theories. His statements have lifted the veil from a lot of fan's eyes. He will still be cheered cuz people want to win the SB and he is GB's only chance. But it will be a little different from now on.

He has smartest guy in the room syndrome and while it may serve him well at times, this was a spot where silence would have been golden.  We want athletes to speak their minds but this is a great example why Crash Davis was probably right about using cliches
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 09, 2021, 06:13:56 PM
He has smartest guy in the room syndrome and while it may serve him well at times, this was a spot where silence would have been golden.  We want athletes to speak their minds but this is a great example why Crash Davis was probably right about using cliches

This topic has always interested me. You’re 100% on how Rodgers thinks.

The counterpoint is something I said when Lefleur was hired and people said Rodgers would never get along with him. I said at the time that if Rodgers thought the new coach was the smartest guy in the room, it would be a great match. We know he had little respect for McCarty. And Rodgers quickly saw how smart Lefleur was.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 09, 2021, 07:43:10 PM
Fines only for the Packers, Rodgers, lazard.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 09, 2021, 08:07:59 PM
This topic has always interested me. You’re 100% on how Rodgers thinks.

The counterpoint is something I said when Lefleur was hired and people said Rodgers would never get along with him. I said at the time that if Rodgers thought the new coach was the smartest guy in the room, it would be a great match. We know he had little respect for McCarty. And Rodgers quickly saw how smart Lefleur was.

No.  Rodgers gets along with Lafleur because Lafleur listens to him.  Aaron still thinks he's the smartest person on that sideline.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 09, 2021, 08:16:20 PM
Dalvin cook allegedly assaulted his ex.

Is NFL still zero tolerance with this? Apparently it all happened in 2020.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 09, 2021, 08:17:57 PM
Dalvin cook allegedly assaulted his ex.

Is NFL still zero tolerance with this? Apparently it all happened in 2020.

I thought she assaulted him based on Schefter’s tweet.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 09, 2021, 08:28:27 PM
Darnold with a fractured scapula.   When did it happen and does it relate to his poor performance of late?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 09, 2021, 09:07:23 PM
Dalvin cook allegedly assaulted his ex.

Is NFL still zero tolerance with this? Apparently it all happened in 2020.

https://twitter.com/rochelleolson/status/1458267593320579077?t=7PA2RsnxgFJZ76WpE1Bjfw&s=19

That does not look good for dalvin
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 09, 2021, 09:26:39 PM
Schefter’s tweet about Cook being the victim is total BS, and he’s just carrying water here for an agent that feeds him info, right?

I mean, I’m like legit pissed off about Schefter’s tweets, am I misinterpreting anything? I’ve been running kids to various practices tonight and catching up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 09, 2021, 09:28:41 PM
https://twitter.com/rochelleolson/status/1458267593320579077?t=7PA2RsnxgFJZ76WpE1Bjfw&s=19

That does not look good for dalvin

Wow. That’s awful. Definitely more at play than the original Schefter tweet.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 09, 2021, 10:12:30 PM
Darnold with a fractured scapula.   When did it happen and does it relate to his poor performance of late?

Excellent question. Here's hoping we find out.

It made no sense to play him this past game. He barely made it out of the concussion protocol and Rhule said he was more concerned about Darnold's shoulder ... and then Darnold started. Didn't make sense. Made even less sense that Rhule wouldn't have gotten Darnold out of there in the second half. I have given Rhule a lot of benefit of the doubt ... but now it's more doubt than benefit. What a mess.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 09, 2021, 11:09:45 PM
Schefter’s tweet about Cook being the victim is total BS, and he’s just carrying water here for an agent that feeds him info, right?

I mean, I’m like legit pissed off about Schefter’s tweets, am I misinterpreting anything? I’ve been running kids to various practices tonight and catching up.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but I don't think its carrying water.  Its a civil lawsuit.  Cook's attorney has a statement with one side of the story and events, seemingly with witnesses who could corroborate Cook's side of the story.  Its kind of he said, she said at this point.  I don't think presenting both sides, when a suit and statements have been filed on her side, is some sort of biased nonsense.

I'm in no way victim blaming, but Ive been party to a few abusive relationships that were mutually awful with physical abuse being administered by both parties and depending on the incident or the time, it could be portrayed as completely one sided.

EDIT: I didn't see the initial tweet from Schefter that was just a statement from his agent, rather the follow up tweets.  Either way, in totality I don't have an overall issue with his reporting.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Lens on November 10, 2021, 01:02:07 PM
Robert Klemko has an interesting twitter thread on all the water Schefty carried for Cook & his agent.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 10, 2021, 03:31:26 PM
Robert Klemko has an interesting twitter thread on all the water Schefty carried for Cook & his agent.

Yeah, it probably wasn’t overly surprising, but still it’s all dirty how the news/propaganda sausage gets made.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 10, 2021, 04:19:13 PM
Details trickling in on Darnold injury.

The shoulder first got hurt on the same play he got the concussion, when he was hit while scrambling near the end of the Week 8 win at Atlanta. Coaches and medical personnel felt he was recovered enough from both injuries to play again this past Sunday, and the shoulder got re-injured (except worse) "at some point in the second quarter." But the Panthers didn't know how bad it was, and he played the entire game.

So ...

A fail to let him play at all. A fail to keep him in the game. And it looks like a fail to have traded for him instead of drafting either Fields or Jones.

One thing we know is that the shoulder didn't cause Darnold to suck for a month solid while the Panthers went 0-4, because the injury didn't happen until the next game.

Rhule now says Darnold will be out at least 4-6 weeks.

The guy who's gonna start, P.J. Walker, was an XFL guy before the Panthers signed him last year. Played one game last season, subbing for Bridgewater and beating the Lions. But he looked dreadful when he came in for the benched Darnold a few weeks ago. Played for Rhule at Temple, as did a half-dozen other Panthers. (Another half-dozen played for Rhule at Baylor. Too bad Rhule didn't coach at Bama!)

Panthers signed the well-traveled Matt Barkley off the Titans' practice squad to back up Walker. They're looking at other possibilities. And no, Cam Newton is not one of the guys they're considering; that ship has sailed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 11, 2021, 09:45:00 AM
And no, Cam Newton is not one of the guys they're considering; that ship has sailed.

Welp.

https://www.nfl.com/news/possible-reunion-free-agent-qb-cam-newton-meeting-with-panthers?campaign=Twitter_atn
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 11, 2021, 10:02:21 AM
Welp.

https://www.nfl.com/news/possible-reunion-free-agent-qb-cam-newton-meeting-with-panthers?campaign=Twitter_atn

Yep. I just saw that and was gonna post. Everything I had read and heard from all the talking heads had said that the Panthers had already made a clean break from Newton and there was no going back. But I guess that when desperation strikes, anything can happen.

I am one of the biggest Cam Newton fans out there. If he can play, I'd love to have him back. The last several years, he couldn't throw the football more than 10-15 yards with any zip and accuracy. If that's still the case, it makes no sense to bring him back. But if he has regained most or all of his arm strength, then yes, he's way better than what my team has.

Will be interesting to follow this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 11, 2021, 10:38:01 AM
Oh ... and I also hope Cam understands that if he signs with and plays for the Panthers, he'll often be running for his life behind a shyte OL!

Hell, Panthers might be better off signing Kaepernick -- he's well rested and, to our knowledge, 100% healthy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 11, 2021, 11:37:19 AM
nm
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 11, 2021, 11:43:56 AM
Looks like they are moving forward with Cam. I assume he will start at some point.

A little surprised since his arm kind of looked shot in NE.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 11, 2021, 11:46:01 AM
Good move byThe Panthers. Cam still has gas left in the tank .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 11, 2021, 12:00:45 PM
Good move byThe Panthers. Cam still has gas left in the tank .

Except the tank has a leak. He's been empty for years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 11, 2021, 12:02:35 PM
Oh ... and I also hope Cam understands that if he signs with and plays for the Panthers, he'll often be running for his life behind a shyte OL!

From what we saw in New England last year, that may be just about all Cam's got left.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 11, 2021, 12:07:19 PM
I’m letting myself be psyched about this. I know I’m probably only setting myself up for a letdown. But if he’s healthy …
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 11, 2021, 12:23:24 PM
Good move byThe Panthers. Cam still has gas left in the tank .

WFT is currently +1.5 at Carolina next week. I'm feverishly looking for a Panthers/Dolphins line in two weeks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 11, 2021, 03:14:35 PM
OBJ to the Rams
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 11, 2021, 03:28:27 PM
OBJ to the Rams
Good move by Rams
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 11, 2021, 03:39:14 PM
Good move by Rams

Not your best day of takes Herm.

Rams already have the probably most prolific WR in the league right now in Kupp.  They have a guy Robert Woods who fits perfectly into their system.  You have a young guy in Jefferson who has come on strong and eclipsed his numbers from last year.  They are kind of full at the position.

I get why OBJ wants to go there.  But he's gonna demand touches and I don't know if its worth it to rock the boat.  He's probably not getting more than 4-5 targets a game max.

I get not wanting to go to NO without a QB, but he'd be the clear #1 there and going back to his roots.  He'd arguably be the clear #2 in GB.

Going to the Rams just seems like picking the best team with a great passing attack and assuming you'll get yours.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 11, 2021, 03:41:25 PM
Not your best day of takes Herm.

Rams already have the probably most prolific WR in the league right now in Kupp.  They have a guy Robert Woods who fits perfectly into their system.  You have a young guy in Jefferson who has come on strong and eclipsed his numbers from last year.  They are kind of full at the position.

I get why OBJ wants to go there.  But he's gonna demand touches and I don't know if its worth it to rock the boat.  He's probably not getting more than 4-5 targets a game max.

I get not wanting to go to NO without a QB, but he'd be the clear #1 there and going back to his roots.  He'd arguably be the clear #2 in GB.

Going to the Rams just seems like picking the best team with a great passing attack and assuming you'll get yours.

He was pretty bad this year in Cleveland, too.  Not sure how much of that was him being lazy to force a move or he’s hurt, but the tape wasn’t lying.  He couldn’t get open and was not running crisp routes. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on November 11, 2021, 04:37:41 PM
The fact that I made it until Thursday before seeing the video of the Marsh taunting penalty might be a pretty good indication that I don't really have a dog in this fight, but yeah...that looks like taunting to me.

I'm not a fan of the rule, but if it's a point of emphasis (and, it is), then that's taunting.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 11, 2021, 04:40:14 PM
The oddsmakers are unimpressed:

The Rams signed Odell Beckham Jr. in the hopes that he can improve their chances of winning the Super Bowl. But sports books don’t think he’s going to make a significant difference.
Multiple sports books confirmed this afternoon that they are keeping the Rams’ Super Bowl odds the same after Beckham signed with the Rams. The Rams’ odds to win the Super Bowl are +800 at most books.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/11/11/rams-super-bowl-odds-unchanged-after-odell-beckham-signing/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on November 11, 2021, 04:52:05 PM
OBJ to the Rams

I was very excited the day the Browns signed OBJ. I was also very excited the day the Browns released OBJ. It would not surprise me if Rams fans have the same feelings over the course of the next few years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 11, 2021, 05:37:27 PM
Not your best day of takes Herm.

Rams already have the probably most prolific WR in the league right now in Kupp.  They have a guy Robert Woods who fits perfectly into their system.  You have a young guy in Jefferson who has come on strong and eclipsed his numbers from last year.  They are kind of full at the position.

I get why OBJ wants to go there.  But he's gonna demand touches and I don't know if its worth it to rock the boat.  He's probably not getting more than 4-5 targets a game max.


That was my exact reasoning why the Nets weren't going to win a title with the big 3. Kyrie and Harden want the ball in their hands. The team is diminished when KD doesn't touch the ball.

Same with the Rams situation. If I'm a Rams fan, I would WAY rather have 12 targets for Kupp than 7 for Kupp and 5 for OBJ. And Woods IS OBJ -except that he runs more precise routes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 11, 2021, 06:07:34 PM
Cam getting good coin for half a season


https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1458850376363487232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1458850376363487232%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FAdamSchefter2Fstatus2F1458850376363487232widget%3DTweet
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 11, 2021, 06:44:17 PM
Cam getting good coin for half a season


https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1458850376363487232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1458850376363487232%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FAdamSchefter2Fstatus2F1458850376363487232widget%3DTweet

Yessir. I was surprised they signed him ... and then I was really surprised at what an unemployed QB who repeatedly had been rejected by other teams was able to command.

But the Panthers had the cap space, Tepper is the richest owner in the NFL, and the Panthers are desperate.

Given that he's my all-time favorite Panther since I became a fan in 2010, I obviously hope Cam is healthy, that he turns out to be a bargain, and that he earns a nice multi-year contract!

(https://c.tenor.com/ab2K-Q5z_PQAAAAC/camnewton-dab.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 11, 2021, 07:24:01 PM
If nothing else, Carolina gets some nostalgia during a season that is otherwise slipping away
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 11, 2021, 07:40:31 PM
Yessir. I was surprised they signed him ... and then I was really surprised at what an unemployed QB who repeatedly had been rejected by other teams was able to command.

But the Panthers had the cap space, Tepper is the richest owner in the NFL, and the Panthers are desperate.

Given that he's my all-time favorite Panther since I became a fan in 2010, I obviously hope Cam is healthy, that he turns out to be a bargain, and that he earns a nice multi-year contract!

(https://c.tenor.com/ab2K-Q5z_PQAAAAC/camnewton-dab.gif)

Seeing as how there's a salary cap in the NFL, what's the wealth of the owner have to do with anything?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 11, 2021, 07:50:37 PM
Seeing as how there's a salary cap in the NFL, what's the wealth of the owner have to do with anything?

You don't think there are owners whose teams aren't up against the cap but who still would choose not to throw money around?

FWIW, Tepper is paying Bridgewater (who has been Denver's starting QB all season), Darnold (who is on IR and who also will make 19M next season, when he'll likely be an ex-Panther), two backup QBs and now Cam. But it's couch-cushion money for Tepper.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 11, 2021, 09:15:47 PM
Actually I think the wealth of the owner has very little to do with it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 11, 2021, 09:28:16 PM
You don't think there are owners whose teams aren't up against the cap but who still would choose not to throw money around?

FWIW, Tepper is paying Bridgewater (who has been Denver's starting QB all season), Darnold (who is on IR and who also will make 19M next season, when he'll likely be an ex-Panther), two backup QBs and now Cam. But it's couch-cushion money for Tepper.

Food for thought. Tepper's money is couch cushion money for the likes of Elon Musk. Musk could buy the entire NFL and still have $160B left. Musk might be able to buy the entire NFL with stock options he hasn't converted yet.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 11, 2021, 09:42:44 PM
Food for thought. Tepper's money is couch cushion money for the likes of Elon Musk. Musk could buy the entire NFL and still have $160B left. Musk might be able to buy the entire NFL with stock options he hasn't converted yet.

It would be cool if he did that and had the entire league play in outer space.

Could call it SpaceXFL!!!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 11, 2021, 10:15:40 PM
Really impressed with the Dolphins defensive alignment against the Ravens. 7 guys at the line all out blitzing, while the secondary stands spread out a yard short of the marker. Giving zero respect to Baltimore’s passing game, and it’s worked.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 11, 2021, 11:15:34 PM
Food for thought. Tepper's money is couch cushion money for the likes of Elon Musk. Musk could buy the entire NFL and still have $160B left. Musk might be able to buy the entire NFL with stock options he hasn't converted yet.

Nah, if Musk cared about any sports, he would be more inclined to spend a bunch of money creating a super league for rugby or tennis or something.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 12, 2021, 08:10:31 AM
Rams teammates embracing OBJ
https://www.nfl.com/news/odell-beckham-adds-another-star-to-rams-but-questions-come-with-him
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on November 12, 2021, 08:32:19 AM
Rams teammates embracing OBJ
https://www.nfl.com/news/odell-beckham-adds-another-star-to-rams-but-questions-come-with-him

Give it some time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 12, 2021, 10:05:25 AM
I'm interested the conversations that OBJ had with McVay and the Rams.  Like were they straight up and he didn't care, he figured he'd let his play do the talking?  Did they say "hey you're only gonna get 4-5 targets a game within the offense" and he was like "BET..." thinking it wouldn't play out like that once he got there due to confidence?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 12, 2021, 12:40:51 PM
I'm interested the conversations that OBJ had with McVay and the Rams.  Like were they straight up and he didn't care, he figured he'd let his play do the talking?  Did they say "hey you're only gonna get 4-5 targets a game within the offense" and he was like "BET..." thinking it wouldn't play out like that once he got there due to confidence?
My guess it was all positive both ways. Coach probably told him they will have plays designed for OBJ.

OBJ popular among teammates . He and Baker went on a fishing trip together . So not like he is a bad character guy.

OBJ  has to be a model citizen because he has free agency contract negotiations coming up next year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on November 12, 2021, 12:53:21 PM
My guess it was all positive both ways. Coach probably told him they will have plays designed for OBJ.

OBJ popular among teammates . He and Baker went on a fishing trip together . So not like he is a bad character guy.

OBJ  has to be a model citizen because he has free agency contract negotiations coming up next year.

The impression I get from news reports is that OBJ is popular and people like him. They just don't necessarily like playing with him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 12, 2021, 01:12:08 PM
The impression I get from news reports is that OBJ is popular and people like him. They just don't necessarily like playing with him.

And he hasn’t been productive
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 12, 2021, 01:23:42 PM
And he hasn’t been productive

Yep, that's the thing. OBJ once was incredible, and a few of his highlight catches make you go, "That was incredible!" But the fact is that he has done very, very little for years now. Some due to injury, some due to his personality, some due to a bad fit.

He's the definition of overhyped.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 12, 2021, 01:30:22 PM
It's really just his last 13 games that he's been unproductive. His first year (2019) with the Browns he had 74 receptions for 1,035 yards. Down from his first few years for sure but still a very productive WR. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him get close to those numbers with a new team in the next couple of years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 12, 2021, 01:32:22 PM
Can someone smarter than me explain the OBJ contract situation?

My understanding is that whether he signed for the minimum or $7.5M, he was getting the same amount of money this year. It just changed how much the Browns paid. The only additional options he would have had were above $7.5M or a multi-year deal.

I’m seeing some tweets that the Rams had a better offer, and I didn’t think that made sense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 12, 2021, 04:18:54 PM
As predicted, the Gruden lawsuit arrives.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/jon-gruden-sues-nfl-roger-goodell-resignation-raiders
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 12, 2021, 04:50:00 PM
Can someone smarter than me explain the OBJ contract situation?

My understanding is that whether he signed for the minimum or $7.5M, he was getting the same amount of money this year. It just changed how much the Browns paid. The only additional options he would have had were above $7.5M or a multi-year deal.

I’m seeing some tweets that the Rams had a better offer, and I didn’t think that made sense.

So he was only due $750K for the remainder of the year.  But the Rams gave him a $500K signing bonus and then another $3MM incentives depending on team performance.  AKA if they go on to win a Super Bowl.  If they get bounced early, he's just getting the extra $500K.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 12, 2021, 05:51:53 PM
As predicted, the Gruden lawsuit arrives.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/jon-gruden-sues-nfl-roger-goodell-resignation-raiders

Gruden got what he deserved.

Gruden may very well be right about what the NFL did.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 12, 2021, 06:28:36 PM
As predicted, the Gruden lawsuit arrives.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/jon-gruden-sues-nfl-roger-goodell-resignation-raiders
I don’t know how to post GIFs. If I did I would post the one of Michael Jackson eating popcorn .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Ardmore Mug on November 13, 2021, 12:37:40 PM
Good move by the Rams! ! !  They just lost Robert Woods to ACL injury on Friday ! ! !  8-)
Maybe OBJ did a Tonya Harding to Woods ! ! !    ;)   lol
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 13, 2021, 12:38:08 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32620819/los-angeles-rams-receiver-robert-woods-suffers-torn-acl-sources-say
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 13, 2021, 04:47:52 PM
The timing of the Woods injury is absolutely crazy.  OBJ went from a luxury to a necessity in 24 hours.  We're gonna get every chance to see if the man still has it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 13, 2021, 08:31:28 PM
Gruden got what he deserved.

Gruden may very well be right about what the NFL did.

Yep.

Hard to find the good guy(s) in this one.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 13, 2021, 08:53:34 PM
Big Ben sitting out due to COVID.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 13, 2021, 09:27:53 PM
I know this is the NFL board, but Michael Mayer from Notre Dame is going to be an NFL stud TE. Not draft eligible until 2023, but that guy is a beast.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 13, 2021, 10:42:15 PM
I know this is the NFL board, but Michael Mayer from Notre Dame is going to be an NFL stud TE. Not draft eligible until 2023, but that guy is a beast.

Agree. And obviously ridiculous that he has to wait until 2023.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2021, 08:28:35 AM
Passage in the Charlotte Observer today:

The Panthers are paying three different starting quarterbacks a total of up to $21.77 million this year: Teddy Bridgewater ($7 million), who is starting for the Denver Broncos; Sam Darnold ($4.77 million), who is on injured reserve; and now Newton (up to $10 million).

In other words, the Panthers are paying Newton’s replacement, his replacement’s replacement, and his replacement’s replacement’s replacement, who happens to be the original player in that bizarre sequence.


Not only is that fun to read, it's also a blueprint for how to eff up a franchise.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 14, 2021, 08:58:41 AM
Passage in the Charlotte Observer today:

The Panthers are paying three different starting quarterbacks a total of up to $21.77 million this year: Teddy Bridgewater ($7 million), who is starting for the Denver Broncos; Sam Darnold ($4.77 million), who is on injured reserve; and now Newton (up to $10 million).

In other words, the Panthers are paying Newton’s replacement, his replacement’s replacement, and his replacement’s replacement’s replacement, who happens to be the original player in that bizarre sequence.


Not only is that fun to read, it's also a blueprint for how to eff up a franchise.
Why did the Panthers give up on Teddy Bridgewater ?. I thought he was serviceable. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2021, 09:36:35 AM
Why did the Panthers give up on Teddy Bridgewater ?. I thought he was serviceable.

They felt he was extremely low-ceiling. And he failed repeatedly to close out winnable games. They more or less signed him as a stop-gap but hoped he could be more. As the season went on, they realized he was only a stop-gap.

With Denver this season, he's been fairly similar. He makes some plays, mostly doesn't hurt you, but is he ever gonna be the guy who takes you to the next level?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2021, 01:20:13 PM
Refs just handed a TD to the Titans after a phantom "hit to the QB head" penalty wiped out a Saints INT of Tannehill.

Those kinds of calls are so big -- I mean, ultimately it could play a role to N.O. missing the playoffs -- that the refs really need to get them right. Should be reviewable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 14, 2021, 02:50:24 PM
Both networks in Omaha switched to different games this week because of blowouts. Don't remember that happening before.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2021, 02:57:57 PM
I guess the Bucs still aren’t gonna go undefeated.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 14, 2021, 03:02:43 PM
I watched most of that Tampa/WFT game, and I’m pretty sure WFT was 1000% on 3rd down today. Tampa looks lost on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 14, 2021, 03:10:06 PM
Why did the Panthers give up on Teddy Bridgewater ?. I thought he was serviceable.

I think you answered your own question - he was serviceable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 14, 2021, 03:27:04 PM
Keystone Kops game in Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 14, 2021, 03:28:52 PM
Lions dragging the Steelers to their level.  Missed extra point by Detroit.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 14, 2021, 03:33:20 PM
Special teams.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on November 14, 2021, 03:37:42 PM
Crosby needs to go.  By halftime please. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 14, 2021, 03:41:05 PM
Crosby needs to go.  By halftime please.

Or maybe the holder needs to go.

100% with Scott. 36% with the new guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 14, 2021, 03:45:17 PM
Lions/Steelers overtime was something. That was the best worst game of the year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 14, 2021, 03:46:48 PM
I disagree with leaving Goff in the game. If your quarterback can't move or throw down the field, put in the back up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 14, 2021, 04:24:52 PM
This game is thrilling.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 14, 2021, 04:43:34 PM
Easy first down if Lazard just catches the ball and falls instead of trying to turn. Packers are in big trouble if he’s WR2 next year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 14, 2021, 04:52:53 PM
Easy first down if Lazard just catches the ball and falls instead of trying to turn. Packers are in big trouble if he’s WR2 next year.

He might be #1. If ARod leaves, I think there is little chance that Davante re-signs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2021, 05:30:55 PM
Most fun football game for my team in 3 years!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 14, 2021, 05:32:22 PM
This Packer/Seahawk game…woof.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 14, 2021, 05:37:12 PM
Put in Jordan love?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 14, 2021, 05:47:06 PM
Teddy Bridgewater with the business decision of the season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 14, 2021, 05:47:46 PM
ACL?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 14, 2021, 06:08:52 PM
Fox analyst Jonathan Vilma just said: “JEE-sus!” when talking about McCaffrey outgaining the Cardinals.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on November 14, 2021, 06:55:46 PM
Might be time to feel right about the GB defense.  Last three games, one TD?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 14, 2021, 07:40:21 PM
Might be time to feel right about the GB defense.  Last three games, one TD?


I was hard on Barry the first 3-4 weeks. He has since won me over. Mainly for the same reason that LaFleur did although that happened quicker.

With both men I could see a scheme, a plan of attack. That was something that was missing with McCarthy & Pettine.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on November 14, 2021, 07:58:29 PM
They cut crosby yet?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 14, 2021, 09:23:12 PM
Teddy Bridgewater with the business decision of the season.
https://sports.yahoo.com/teddy-bridgewater-had-zero-interest-in-tackle-on-game-changing-defensive-td-002407925.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 14, 2021, 10:16:41 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32634505/aaron-rodgers-left-feeling-emotional-packers-win-qb-return-10-day-absence-just-take-things-granted
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 14, 2021, 10:33:22 PM
Teddy Bridgewater with the business decision of the season.

After all he’s been through, I don’t blame him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 15, 2021, 03:19:16 PM
Packers making millions of dollars of stock available to the public ...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/15/green-bay-packers-to-sell-stock-shares-in-nfl-team-.html

Guess they need to pay for Dr. Rogan's medical advice.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 15, 2021, 04:29:40 PM
Packers making millions of dollars of stock available to the public ...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/15/green-bay-packers-to-sell-stock-shares-in-nfl-team-.html

Guess they need to pay for Dr. Rogan's medical advice.

If my QBs were Darnold & Cam, I wouldn't be making fun of some other team's QB.  ;)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2021, 04:48:07 PM
Packers making millions of dollars of stock available to the public ...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/15/green-bay-packers-to-sell-stock-shares-in-nfl-team-.html

Guess they need to pay for Dr. Rogan's medical advice.

There’s a sucker born every minute
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 15, 2021, 05:54:26 PM
There’s a sucker born every minute

I think most people just look at it as a collectible for their hobby. You should see the prices I get for little pieces of cardboard just cuz they have a baseball player's picture on them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 15, 2021, 06:50:40 PM
Personally thought the Packers should issue NFTs
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 15, 2021, 09:16:33 PM
49ers up against Rams 24-7 heading into  fourth quarter. Need a strong performance to close the game out. I think if 49ers win, Packers move into the top spot in the conference.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 15, 2021, 09:49:01 PM
Matthew Stafford is the same guy he was for 12 years in Detroit.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 15, 2021, 09:52:30 PM
Live look-in at OBJ
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EllipticalDeliciousAmurratsnake-max-1mb.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 15, 2021, 09:59:18 PM
Packers making millions of dollars of pieces of paper available to the public ...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/15/green-bay-packers-to-sell-stock-shares-in-nfl-team-.html

Guess they need to pay for Dr. Rogan's medical advice.

FIFY
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 16, 2021, 08:02:10 AM
Live look-in at OBJ
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EllipticalDeliciousAmurratsnake-max-1mb.gif)


Who made the mistake?  OBJ or the Rams?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 16, 2021, 10:05:05 AM
Packers in a position now to control their destiny playoff seeding wise.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 16, 2021, 10:13:57 AM
Packers in a position now to control their destiny playoff seeding wise.


Nope.  Dallas controls their own destiny now.  If they win out and the Packers win out, there is no head to head, and they would be tied on conference record, but Dallas will have a better record against common opponents as they still have games against KC and NO on their schedule.  And the Packers don't play the Bucs or Broncos - the two teams that Dallas lost to.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 16, 2021, 10:19:25 AM

Who made the mistake?  OBJ or the Rams?

Honestly too early to tell.  I'll wait till he's had a full week or two of practice with the team and Stafford to judge.  The narrative was funny but people that expected him to come in and go 9 for 120 and a TD were unrealistic to the max.

Though as much as it pains me to say it, I do think GB would have been a much better fit football wise.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 16, 2021, 11:02:10 AM
If I were the Packers, I’d have a stock sale every other year, right around this time in mid November.

I’d also charge $500 a share, cap it at 500k shares for sale. $250 million every other year at a profit point of 99.99% (unless toner cartridge prices skyrocket).

It’s the best business racket in all of sports. I can’t believe they don’t exploit it more.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 16, 2021, 11:07:36 AM
My understanding is that it has to be used for facility improvements, which have to be approved by the NFL ahead of time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 16, 2021, 12:44:48 PM
My understanding is that it has to be used for facility improvements, which have to be approved by the NFL ahead of time.

Fans voluntarily paying for stadium repair/renovation sure beats hooking taxpayers into doing it.

Even though it is basically just a worthless piece of paper, it's also a feel good for fans who want to feel like they are part of something.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on November 16, 2021, 01:21:48 PM
Jeez, add up the $25/year donation from my Packer plates and they should send me a certificate too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 16, 2021, 01:23:12 PM
Matthew Stafford is the same guy he was for 12 years in Detroit.

as a Lions fan, I'm taking some joy in seeing Pat Statford's struggles. It's kind of all we have right now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 16, 2021, 02:39:08 PM
Jeez, add up the $25/year donation from my Packer plates and they should send me a certificate too.

I may be wrong, but that money is only for maintenance? Can't be used for renovation.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on November 16, 2021, 03:23:59 PM
Packers making millions of dollars of stock available to the public ...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/15/green-bay-packers-to-sell-stock-shares-in-nfl-team-.html

This is a complete fraud worthy of an SEC investigation. They are ownership certificates but owners do not control the affairs of the company, do not share in the profits and there is no market for the security.

Do the contributions received constitute income worthy of taxation? They should, since the Green Bay Packers are a public company. This is pure income to a taxable corporation.

I think I'd rather have a $300 to $500 autographed jersey from Bart Starr. It's worth more and has a more liquid and deep secondary market.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on November 16, 2021, 03:35:52 PM
This is a complete fraud worthy of an SEC investigation. They are ownership certificates but owners do not control the affairs of the company, do not share in the profits and there is no market for the security.

Do the contributions received constitute income worthy of taxation? They should, since the Green Bay Packers are a public company. This is pure income to a taxable corporation.

I think I'd rather have a $300 to $500 autographed jersey from Bart Starr. It's worth more and has a more liquid and deep secondary market.

It is $300 wall art. I think it is pretty stupid to purchase, but people buy dumb stuff all the time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 16, 2021, 03:40:19 PM
This is a complete fraud worthy of an SEC investigation. They are ownership certificates but owners do not control the affairs of the company, do not share in the profits and there is no market for the security.

Do the contributions received constitute income worthy of taxation? They should, since the Green Bay Packers are a public company. This is pure income to a taxable corporation.

I think I'd rather have a $300 to $500 autographed jersey from Bart Starr. It's worth more and has a more liquid and deep secondary market.

What exactly is the fraud? People who buy these know what they are getting (basically a souvenir) and the Packers make no attempt to hide what they are - money being raised for renovation.

As far as income for the team, do you have evidence that they do not declare this as income? That would be pretty stupid since the sale of the stock is done openly.

So again, what is being done fraudulently?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Babybluejeans on November 16, 2021, 03:52:31 PM
What exactly is the fraud? People who buy these know what they are getting (basically a souvenir) and the Packers make no attempt to hide what they are - money being raised for renovation.

As far as income for the team, do you have evidence that they do not declare this as income? That would be pretty stupid since the sale of the stock is done openly.

So again, what is being done fraudulently?

Because selling a stock implies a share of ownership or equity, which this “stock” contains absolutely none of. Just call it fundraising—a really sad thing for a successful professional sports team to do (especially given the many other useful places people could direct funds). It’s the sort of gimmick you’d expect from a WWE enterprise, not a storied sports franchise.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on November 16, 2021, 03:53:51 PM
What exactly is the fraud?

Representing these as ownership certificates, or stock.

I never said the Packers weren’t paying taxes on the proceeds. Maybe they are. But they should be, since it is income from the sale of worthless paper.

My concern is the Packers are considering this as paid in capital for tax purposes but not for financial reporting and ownership purposes. I have no way of knowing but, dormit, this is the NFL. They don’t do things the same way as normal people.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 16, 2021, 03:55:49 PM
Because selling a stock implies a share of ownership or equity, which this “stock” contains absolutely none of. Just call it fundraising—a really sad thing for a successful professional sports team to do (especially given the many other useful places people could direct funds). It’s the sort of gimmick you’d expect from a WWE enterprise, not a storied sports franchise.


This is the fourth or fifth time they have done it.  All under the same circumstances.  So it's a "gimmick" that fans of the franchise don't see to have much problem with.[

This is a complete fraud worthy of an SEC investigation. They are ownership certificates but owners do not control the affairs of the company, do not share in the profits and there is no market for the security.

Do the contributions received constitute income worthy of taxation? They should, since the Green Bay Packers are a public company. This is pure income to a taxable corporation.

I think I'd rather have a $300 to $500 autographed jersey from Bart Starr. It's worth more and has a more liquid and deep secondary market.

They don't pay tax on it because they are a not-for-profit corporation. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 16, 2021, 03:57:25 PM
Representing these as ownership certificates, or stock.


The people who buy them are legit owners.  Albeit ones without any financial benefit of ownership.

This really isn't controversial to any Packer fan or anyone who has purchased stock before.  Stop making it something it isn't.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 16, 2021, 04:57:21 PM
You can spot a sucker if you walk into an abode and see it hanging on the wall
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Babybluejeans on November 16, 2021, 05:05:27 PM

This really isn't controversial to any Packer fan or anyone who has purchased stock before.

It’s not stock but you’re right—for the folks too dim to see the fix, there’s no reason to question the practice.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 16, 2021, 06:51:38 PM
Packer stock has voting rights . If some clever group got together to organize the stockholders to vote in New Management . It would take some shrewd lawyering and might take a few voting cycles but it can be done.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 16, 2021, 08:16:14 PM
You can spot a sucker if you walk into an abode and see it hanging on the wall

I walked by a car the other day that had a sticker with the Packers logo with “owner” in large letters and “shareholder” in small letters. My wife and I laughed. I doubt actual team owners drive an Outback.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 16, 2021, 08:16:33 PM
Packer stock has voting rights . If some clever group got together to organize the stockholders to vote in New Management . It would take some shrewd lawyering and might take a few voting cycles but it can be done.

Current stock offerings are so watered down that all power rests with owners of the original shares.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 16, 2021, 08:18:29 PM
I walked by a car the other day that had a sticker with the Packers logo with “owner” in large letters and “shareholder” in small letters. My wife and I laughed. I doubt actual team owners drive an Outback.

There are no team owners.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 16, 2021, 08:32:17 PM
Lol y’all are really mad about packers stock?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 16, 2021, 08:39:29 PM
I know it’s a little silly. I bought a share for my daughter today. To me it’s a fun aspect of being a Packer fan.

I like to think most Packer fans don’t take it too seriously. I’ve spent $300 on way dumber things. It’s a fun thing to hang in the basement. Maybe I’ll go to a Shareholders meeting with my daughter to show her Lambeau. For most, I don’t think it’s really more than that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 16, 2021, 09:00:32 PM
I know it’s a little silly. I bought a share for my daughter today. To me it’s a fun aspect of being a Packer fan.

I like to think most Packer fans don’t take it too seriously. I’ve spent $300 on way dumber things. It’s a fun thing to hang in the basement. Maybe I’ll go to a Shareholders meeting with my daughter to show her Lambeau. For most, I don’t think it’s really more than that.

I respect this answer, especially in regards to your daughter and utilizing the sale to take her to the meeting. I think that’s awesome.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 16, 2021, 09:23:15 PM
I know it’s a little silly. I bought a share for my daughter today. To me it’s a fun aspect of being a Packer fan.

I like to think most Packer fans don’t take it too seriously. I’ve spent $300 on way dumber things. It’s a fun thing to hang in the basement. Maybe I’ll go to a Shareholders meeting with my daughter to show her Lambeau. For most, I don’t think it’s really more than that.

Do people who buy/own really think about it anyway other than this? My aunt bought me a share during one of the sales back when I was a kid. It's a silly but kinda neat little thing about the fandom/community.

There's a silly aspect to most every fanbase in one way or another. Life's way too short to go karen-ing to the SEC because the packers sell stock.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 16, 2021, 09:23:44 PM
There are no team owners.

Jerry Jones and David Tepper might disagree with that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 16, 2021, 10:35:48 PM
It’s not stock but you’re right—for the folks too dim to see the fix, there’s no reason to question the practice.

What fix is there to see? Everyone knows what they are paying for. I don’t understand why anyone would pay hundreds of dollars for this. But I also don’t understand why people spend their money for many, many other worthless things.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 16, 2021, 10:38:37 PM
Jerry Jones and David Tepper might disagree with that.

Um…, he was talking about Green Bay.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 16, 2021, 10:41:12 PM
Because selling a stock implies a share of ownership or equity, which this “stock” contains absolutely none of. Just call it fundraising—a really sad thing for a successful professional sports team to do (especially given the many other useful places people could direct funds). It’s the sort of gimmick you’d expect from a WWE enterprise, not a storied sports franchise.

Do you not understand the meaning of fraud? Nothing is under-handed. The team is100% honest about what they are selling.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 17, 2021, 12:12:00 AM
Um…, he was talking about Green Bay.

Yeah, and I was talking about some bro in an Outback who advertises himself as an NFL team owner.  But, BLM is gonna BLM.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 17, 2021, 05:45:36 AM
Yeah, and I was talking about some bro in an Outback who advertises himself as an NFL team owner.  But, BLM is gonna BLM.

Your post made no sense then.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 17, 2021, 09:26:48 AM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle link=topic= ;D ;D ;D ;D61982.msg1385424#msg1385424 date=1637129520
Yeah, and I was talking about some bro in an Outback who advertises himself as an NFL team owner.  But, BLM is gonna BLM.

Yeah. That’s why you mentioned Jones and Tepper by name.

You do realize everyone can see your last post? ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 17, 2021, 11:42:35 AM
Yeah. That’s why you mentioned Jones and Tepper by name.

You do realize everyone can see your last post? ;D ;D

Your obsession with me is clouding your ability to think critically.

As I said, what actual team owners drive Outbacks? BLM felt the need to say there are "not actual team owners" and you're defending him for claiming there are no team owners in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 17, 2021, 11:45:14 AM
Your obsession with me is clouding your ability to think critically.

As I said, what actual team owners drive Outbacks? BLM felt the need to say there are "not actual team owners" and you're defending him for claiming there are no team owners in the NFL.

The discussion has been about the Green Bay Packers.  You claimed their owners do not drive an Outback.  I'd agree, given that they don't have owners.  You then brought up the owners of the Cowboys and the Panthers.  Did they put $300.00 down for a slip of Packers paper?  Cool, if true.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 17, 2021, 11:52:02 AM
Your obsession with me is clouding your ability to think critically.

As I said, what actual team owners drive Outbacks? BLM felt the need to say there are "not actual team owners" and you're defending him for claiming there are no team owners in the NFL.

I mean, if Mark Davis can be seen zipping around Vegas in a minivan and Mini Cooper, why can't an NFL owner drive an Outback?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2021, 06:58:27 AM
Baker Mayfield is the latest athlete and/or celebrity to try to put a stop to the execution of Death Row inmate Julius Jones in Oklahoma.

https://apnews.com/article/executions-oklahoma-oklahoma-city-baker-mayfield-1e212e0db47f598ccb9c97fd611df929

It's pretty simple, really ... if one believes in the rule of law and in all lives mattering, one cannot be a proponent of the death penalty. Period.

And that's times 1,000 when the person on Death Row might actually be innocent, as is certainly possible here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 18, 2021, 08:30:26 AM
Mac Jones and Trevor Lawrence are a good case study in how the system and team impact the perceived quality of a QB.

Interesting side question. What would Tampa Bay look like with Lawrence, and Jacksonville with Brady?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 18, 2021, 08:58:56 AM
Mac Jones and Trevor Lawrence are a good case study in how the system and team impact the perceived quality of a QB.

Interesting side question. What would Tampa Bay look like with Lawrence, and Jacksonville with Brady?

One would be worse and one would be better.

Re: System and team and Mac Jones, it was the same system and much the same team, offensively speaking, they had last year in New England, and Cam looked like trash. No doubt Jones is in a better situation than the other rookie QBs, but he's also been really good. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 18, 2021, 02:03:35 PM
Baker Mayfield is the latest athlete and/or celebrity to try to put a stop to the execution of Death Row inmate Julius Jones in Oklahoma.

https://apnews.com/article/executions-oklahoma-oklahoma-city-baker-mayfield-1e212e0db47f598ccb9c97fd611df929

It's pretty simple, really ... if one believes in the rule of law and in all lives mattering, one cannot be a proponent of the death penalty. Period.

And that's times 1,000 when the person on Death Row might actually be innocent, as is certainly possible here.

Governor, under pressure, commuted the death sentence. Now life in prison without parole.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 19, 2021, 07:13:41 AM
May mean nothing but covering their bases, but semi-interesting…

https://twitter.com/martinkilcoyne2/status/1461556078966095876?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 19, 2021, 08:08:42 AM
Apparently the hold harmless deal that the league has with Kroenke has a lot to be desired. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 19, 2021, 09:52:13 AM
Some potential bad news for Bucs. AB accused of fake vaccine card. AB was looking like he was ready to come back from injury just when the Bucs need him.

He probably went to the same guy Lazar did.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32662241/antonio-brown-obtained-fake-covid-19-vaccination-card-former-chef-alleges
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 19, 2021, 10:10:06 AM
So apparently the NFL never actually checked to see if the vaccination cards submitted by the players were actually legit. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 19, 2021, 10:14:11 AM
AB was turned in by his chef.  As a result, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Mr. Brown is not the best employer.  We know AB isnt the brightest guy but how dumb do you have to be to mistreat the person who is making your damn food in your house?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 19, 2021, 10:34:22 AM
So apparently the NFL never actually checked to see if the vaccination cards submitted by the players were actually legit.

It's the team's responsibility, and the Bucs claim they saw no irregularities.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 19, 2021, 12:12:35 PM
AB was turned in by his chef.  As a result, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Mr. Brown is not the best employer.  We know AB isnt the brightest guy but how dumb do you have to be to mistreat the person who is making your damn food in your house?

Wow.

What an ass-clown.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 19, 2021, 01:47:44 PM
Worst-kept secret in NC: Cam is officially starting Sunday.

Rhule said the Panthers "probably" will also use P.J. Walker during the game but didn't elaborate.

Game is sold out -- a real sellout, not the kind with tons of empty seats that the Panthers still call sellouts -- and ticket prices have more than doubled on the secondary market since Cam's return was announced.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 19, 2021, 01:50:46 PM
Newtonian physics
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 19, 2021, 04:40:12 PM
Amari Cooper - another selfish jerk who’s hurting his team.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 19, 2021, 04:44:28 PM
Mack out for the year.

How will the Bears win without him? 8-)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 19, 2021, 04:56:27 PM
Mack out for the year.

How will the Bears win without him? 8-)

I assume any defense in the NFL would be worse off without one of the top 10 defenders in the league.

But you do you.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 19, 2021, 04:59:13 PM
I assume any defense in the NFL would be worse off without one of the top 10 defenders in the league.

But you do you.

The joke is that it doesn't matter because the Bears are 3-6.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 19, 2021, 05:40:48 PM
I assume any defense in the NFL would be worse off without one of the top 10 defenders in the league.

But you do you.

GB lost 2 Pro Bowlers and the defense rose to Top 5.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 19, 2021, 09:26:02 PM
GB lost 2 Pro Bowlers and the defense rose to Top 5.

One of whom is arguably a top 10 defender.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 19, 2021, 09:36:49 PM
Patriots have a rough stretch coming up. If they win a few they could be in playoff contention .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 20, 2021, 06:34:15 AM
Patriots have a rough stretch coming up. If they win a few they could be in playoff contention .


If the season ended today, they would be in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 20, 2021, 06:54:58 AM

If the season ended today, they would be in the playoffs.

Heck, they might be the best team in the AFC at the moment
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 20, 2021, 08:36:17 AM
Patriots have a rough stretch coming up. If they win a few they could be in playoff contention .

Contention? I’ve been investing in them at +750 to win the AFC.

They also close with Jax & Miami, I think they’re safely getting in.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 20, 2021, 08:40:47 PM
https://www.espn.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/31481/if-you-think-the-packers-aaron-rodgers-owns-the-bears-check-out-his-numbers-vs-the-vikings
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Mutaman on November 20, 2021, 11:53:21 PM
Hologren Blames Packers

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/former-green-bay-coach-mike-holmgren-blames-packers-for-current-situation-with-aaron-rodgers/

If i was Mike Holmgren i would have focused on stopping Terrell Davis and not worried that much about Elway.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2021, 09:20:47 AM
https://www.startribune.com/flawed-and-fantastic-aaron-rodgers-ride-into-minnesota-could-be-his-last/600118990/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 21, 2021, 11:46:59 AM
https://www.espn.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/31481/if-you-think-the-packers-aaron-rodgers-owns-the-bears-check-out-his-numbers-vs-the-vikings

Not feeling good for the Packers today. With Jones, Gary out as well, this might finally be the game injuries catch up. Banged up Rodgers too
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 21, 2021, 11:58:30 AM
Not feeling good for the Packers today. With Jones, Gary out as well, this might finally be the game injuries catch up. Banged up Rodgers too

I'm not worried.  It's Minnesota.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 21, 2021, 12:35:48 PM
That’s quite the wasted challenge by Minnesota there. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 21, 2021, 12:36:04 PM
Giving Jefferson way too much space.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 21, 2021, 12:49:18 PM
Time to move on.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on November 21, 2021, 12:50:01 PM

Assuming you mean Crosby, yes.

Time to move on.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 21, 2021, 12:53:55 PM
Because there is a glut of good unemployed kickers out there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 21, 2021, 12:58:05 PM
I'm not worried.  It's Minnesota.

Okay, I'm worried.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2021, 01:00:29 PM
When kickers go bad, it’s like a dog that needs to be put down.  The sooner the better
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 21, 2021, 01:12:18 PM
The Bills are frauds, getting completely dominated in the first half.

New England could be a huge winner today if Houston can hang on at Tennessee.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2021, 01:17:25 PM
Pack needs to get a touchdown before the half ends
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 21, 2021, 01:21:57 PM
Pack needs to get a touchdown before the half ends

As you command
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 21, 2021, 01:23:05 PM
Lions missing Goff.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 21, 2021, 01:29:35 PM
Aaron 100% went to the locker room because his foot hurts and he is getting an injection.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 21, 2021, 01:32:47 PM
Has he done his own research on the injection?  Shouldn't he try something holistic first?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2021, 01:43:17 PM
Has he done his own research on the injection?  Shouldn't he try something holistic first?

Pumping your body full of toradol is safer than the vaccine
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 21, 2021, 01:43:45 PM
Pumping your body full of toradol is safer than the vaccine

100%
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 21, 2021, 02:08:50 PM
Kirk trying to throw the Packers the ball. Packers don’t want it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 21, 2021, 02:09:29 PM
Jonathan Taylor should be the NFL MVP this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 21, 2021, 02:23:57 PM
The injuries are just unreal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 21, 2021, 02:27:19 PM
That play call was awesome.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 21, 2021, 02:47:13 PM
Texans/Titans has been wild.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 21, 2021, 02:48:28 PM
Rodgers leave too much time on the clock?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 21, 2021, 02:52:47 PM
Vikings are the worst coached team in the NFL
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 21, 2021, 02:53:05 PM
Is it just me or do packers DBs drop so many catches?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 21, 2021, 02:54:19 PM
WOW
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 21, 2021, 02:55:28 PM
Packers have been giving them those 5-6 yard plays all day. Vikings can just quietly take this down and kick a FG.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 21, 2021, 02:58:38 PM
Injuries caught up to the packers defense today. Just some really bad big plays.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 21, 2021, 03:01:32 PM
Packers have been giving them those 5-6 yard plays all day. Vikings can just quietly take this down and kick a FG.

Yup, there was no way the defense was going to stop them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 21, 2021, 03:05:24 PM
Kirk tried to give them the game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 21, 2021, 03:06:48 PM
This Bears finish…oh boy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2021, 03:08:34 PM
Finding a way to lose this game is pretty impressive by the Bears
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 21, 2021, 03:14:54 PM
They won’t fire him before the end of the season, but that is the nail in the coffin for Matt Nagy. Book it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on November 21, 2021, 03:15:21 PM
Finding a way to lose this game is pretty impressive by the Bears

Good grief.  What happened?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 21, 2021, 03:59:00 PM
Cam made some mistakes but, given the circumstances, he actually played quite well. 2TD throws, a great TD run, some very nice throws, though mostly short ones. But the Panthers' much-ballyhooed defense spit the bit and made Taylor Heinicke look like Drew Brees. And Rhule was thoroughly outcoached by Rivera.

So another loss to another crud team drops my guys to 5-6. Playoffs are highly unlikely, and the Panthers certainly don't deserve to be a playoff team.

Was looking forward to this being a great doubleheader day. Part 1 ended up being disappointing. Hopefully Marquette gives me a reason to celebrate after Part 2!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 21, 2021, 05:28:31 PM
They won’t fire him before the end of the season, but that is the nail in the coffin for Matt Nagy. Book it.

Which is the silver lining for that.  What a jagoff he is
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 21, 2021, 09:29:26 PM
I had the Chiefs pencilled in as making it back to the Super Bowl. It got a little Dicey foe a while . They seem to be back on track.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 21, 2021, 10:30:55 PM
41 (!!!) 4th quarter points, and still over two minutes to go.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 08:47:17 AM
Good preview of the Giants Bucs game tonight. Bucs need to Right their Ship

https://nypost.com/2021/11/21/note-to-giants-tom-bradys-buccaneers-are-vulnerable/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2021, 08:52:18 AM
Was looking forward to this being a great doubleheader day. Part 1 ended up being disappointing. Hopefully Marquette gives me a reason to celebrate after Part 2!

Ugh.

x2.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 09:02:05 AM
Excellent summary of why The Lions suck. Rinse and Repeat .

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2021/11/conservative-playcalling-killed-the-lions-in-cleveland-but-its-not-like-opening-it-up-would-have-helped-either.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on November 22, 2021, 08:42:14 PM
So COVID toe is what ails Rodgers?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 22, 2021, 08:49:10 PM
So COVID toe is what ails Rodgers?

Pretty funny. And also that's a thing if webMD is to be believed.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/what-are-covid-toes
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 22, 2021, 09:38:30 PM
So COVID toe is what ails Rodgers?

I didn't think anything could top Throw Rogan or Marjorie Taylor Green Bay, but Toe Rogan comes close
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 22, 2021, 10:10:37 PM
Gronk back in the Bucs lineup, had a good game and the Bucs win 30-10.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 22, 2021, 10:14:53 PM
Pretty funny. And also that's a thing if webMD is to be believed.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/what-are-covid-toes

Covid toes are definitely a thing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 22, 2021, 10:36:57 PM
It’s beyond me how Daniel Jones is a starting NFL QB. He’s so unbelievably bad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 23, 2021, 09:43:17 AM
Nagy is indeed out. In a rare mid season firing (first time in franchise history), he’ll be formally dismissed Friday morning.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 23, 2021, 09:47:42 AM
Nagy is indeed out. In a rare mid season firing (first time in franchise history), he’ll be formally dismissed Friday morning.

A Thanksgiving Miracle!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 23, 2021, 09:58:32 AM
Will Pace go with him?

How about Ted Phillips?

Ginny selling the team?

Because replacing the coach can only do so much.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 23, 2021, 10:03:02 AM
Will Pace go with him?

How about Ted Phillips?

Ginny selling the team?

Because replacing the coach can only do so much.

All good questions, and in typical Bears fashion, the entire thing will be a cluster eff that they’ll embarrassingly mess up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on November 23, 2021, 10:09:50 AM
All good questions, and in typical Bears fashion, the entire thing will be a cluster eff that they’ll embarrassingly mess up.

They already messed it up. Even on a short week, why have him coach on Thursday? Should have just ended it officially yesterday. Thursday's game is a pointless affair anyway.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 23, 2021, 10:43:38 AM
No game involving the Lion's pursuit of perfection can ever be called pointless.    Unless it ends up in a zero zero tie.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 10:58:52 AM
They already messed it up. Even on a short week, why have him coach on Thursday? Should have just ended it officially yesterday. Thursday's game is a pointless affair anyway.

Agreed.  If you get rid of Nagy and Pace immediately at least three is a speck of hope for the fanbase.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 23, 2021, 11:05:39 AM
Amari Cooper, who is out with COVID and unvaccinated, was also doing press conferences in person without a mask. Will the NFL be investigating the Cowboys? Haven't heard anything on that front.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 23, 2021, 11:09:00 AM
Will Pace go with him?

How about Ted Phillips?

Ginny selling the team?

Because replacing the coach can only do so much.

Hopefully, but who knows.

Nope...because

Not a chance.  Holding on with her wrinkly oblivious hands till she croaks.

----

I'd like to think Pace is gone as well, but this letting him coach Thursday thing is so weird and dumb that it gives me pause about EVERYTHING in Halas Hall (not as if that is an unusual thing)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 23, 2021, 11:16:07 AM
Hopefully, but who knows.

Nope...because

Not a chance.  Holding on with her wrinkly oblivious hands till she croaks.

----

I'd like to think Pace is gone as well, but this letting him coach Thursday thing is so weird and dumb that it gives me pause about EVERYTHING in Halas Hall (not as if that is an unusual thing)

Seems odd. If we know it’s coming, I’m sure the players do too. Will they be going through the motions and be at a higher risk of injury?

I get the short week, but seems silly to really make a coach a lame duck.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2021, 11:16:58 AM
Not firing Pace as well is franchise malpractice. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 23, 2021, 11:21:41 AM
David Haugh
@DavidHaugh
#Bears struggle badly with crisis management. This is a crisis, already mismanaged. Their biggest rival isn’t Packers; it’s transparency. Be simple, clear and strong. Address whether credible report is true or false. Make an exception to your rule. Issue statement, at minimum.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 23, 2021, 11:38:00 AM
Here’s what I think is really going on with the Nagy situation, and full disclosure this is just complete speculation.

I don’t think the Bears truly want to fire Nagy mid-season, if they had it their way he would stay until the end of the year.

However, the other night Lake Forest played Cary Grove in the state football semi-finals. Navy’s son played for Lake Forest and was at the receiving end of anti-Nagy sentiment for most of the night from the Cary Grove student section. Nothing overly malicious, but enough that you don’t want your kid having to deal with that.

Wouldn’t surprise me if this decision is coming from Nagy for the sake of his kids
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 23, 2021, 11:42:49 AM
The "we never fire coaches mid-season" is such a stupid hill to die on.  Every franchise does it.  It isn't some point of pride.  Plus it's probably better for the coach to just take his paycheck and let him move on.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 23, 2021, 11:48:07 AM
Here’s what I think is really going on with the Nagy situation, and full disclosure this is just complete speculation.

I don’t think the Bears truly want to fire Nagy mid-season, if they had it their way he would stay until the end of the year.

However, the other night Lake Forest played Cary Grove in the state football semi-finals. Navy’s son played for Lake Forest and was at the receiving end of anti-Nagy sentiment for most of the night from the Cary Grove student section. Nothing overly malicious, but enough that you don’t want your kid having to deal with that.

Wouldn’t surprise me if this decision is coming from Nagy for the sake of his kids


With all due respect, not a chance.  Nagy is insanely stubborn, we've seen it in myriad ways.   He's been a bum of a coach for multiple years, this isn't the first time his kids have gotten grief for it im sure.

I would think it has to do far more with the "lost the locker room" leaks and other assorted stuff than some honorable Nagy falling on his sword
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 23, 2021, 11:53:33 AM
With all due respect, not a chance.  Nagy is insanely stubborn, we've seen it in myriad ways.   He's been a bum of a coach for multiple years, this isn't the first time his kids have gotten grief for it im sure.

I would think it has to do far more with the "lost the locker room" leaks and other assorted stuff than some honorable Nagy falling on his sword

The Bears organization as a whole is just as stubborn.

Again, pure speculation with no basis. But this latest incident garnered a ton of media attention.

I’m not a parent but I’m sure things completely change when it concerns your kids.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 23, 2021, 12:43:45 PM
The Bears organization as a whole is just as stubborn.

Again, pure speculation with no basis. But this latest incident garnered a ton of media attention.

I’m not a parent but I’m sure things completely change when it concerns your kids.

I think you mean 'stupid' instead of 'stubborn'.

Bad organizations do dumb things. Rinse. Repeat. Rinse repeat.

The same people who have made all of the dumb decisions for the last 30 years will be the ones making the next decisions. We know their track record. And that is to do dumb things.

There is not a single shred of evidence that the people in charge know how to do the right thing. Or even what the right thing is. That's why Packers fans love the Bears. It's like beating up your little brother. I might go so far as to say the Packers own the Bears more than the McCaskey's do.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on November 23, 2021, 12:58:39 PM
Seems odd. If we know it’s coming, I’m sure the players do too. Will they be going through the motions and be at a higher risk of injury?

I get the short week, but seems silly to really make a coach a lame duck.

Getting a "Done Deal" vibe from the initial report. Guess we will find out on Friday. But, yes, logically it doesn't make sense. Then again, this organization once announced the hiring of a head coach without his contract being final. Never know with the Bears.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 23, 2021, 01:35:11 PM
FWIW, Nagy said today that reports of his imminent dismissal are not true.
And him quitting because some high school kids chanted "Fire Nagy" for a couple of minutes would be insane.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 23, 2021, 01:36:07 PM
FWIW, Nagy said today that reports of his imminent dismissal are not true.


He also said that he hasn't talked with Phillips or the owners since Sunday.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 23, 2021, 01:39:12 PM

He also said that he hasn't talked with Phillips or the owners since Sunday.

Is that unusual?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 23, 2021, 01:57:00 PM
I think you mean 'stupid' instead of 'stubborn'.

Bad organizations do dumb things. Rinse. Repeat. Rinse repeat.

The same people who have made all of the dumb decisions for the last 30 years will be the ones making the next decisions. We know their track record. And that is to do dumb things.

There is not a single shred of evidence that the people in charge know how to do the right thing. Or even what the right thing is. That's why Packers fans love the Bears. It's like beating up your little brother. I might go so far as to say the Packers own the Bears more than the McCaskey's do.

Must suck when that same "stupid" "dumb" and bad organization has been to exactly the same number of Super Bowls as the Packers in the last 25 years, and thats without always having a HOF QB at the helm.

Nobody here is arguing the Bears have a good front office track record but spare me the smug sneers and pompous gloating.  Leave that to the dbags in NE who have actually won stuff.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 23, 2021, 02:01:29 PM
Is that unusual?


Well, it at least means that he may not be aware of a decision that may have been made.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 23, 2021, 02:04:57 PM

Well, it at least means that he may not be aware of a decision that may have been made.

I think "usual", "unusual", or "normal" can go out the window here.  Communication is an issue there.  I wouldn't be surprised if a decision has been made and even all of the FO doesn't know yet or didn't at the time of the reports or leak.

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked to see the Bears walk it back and keep him around cause they didn't like that it leaked and didn't stay until Friday.  Who knows. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 23, 2021, 02:05:35 PM
FWIW, Nagy said today that reports of his imminent dismissal are not true.
And him quitting because some high school kids chanted "Fire Nagy" for a couple of minutes would be insane.

He said they were 'inaccurate'. I don't believe he used the word 'untrue'.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 23, 2021, 02:07:18 PM
Must suck when that same "stupid" "dumb" and bad organization has been to exactly the same number of Super Bowls as the Packers in the last 25 years, and thats without always having a HOF QB at the helm.

Nobody here is arguing the Bears have a good front office track record but spare me the smug sneers and pompous gloating.  Leave that to the dbags in NE who have actually won stuff.

They stay bad because they have bad management and lots of supporters who say things like you just said.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 23, 2021, 02:08:25 PM
I think "usual", "unusual", or "normal" can go out the window here.  Communication is an issue there.  I wouldn't be surprised if a decision has been made and even all of the FO doesn't know yet or didn't at the time of the reports or leak.

Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked to see the Bears walk it back and keep him around cause they didn't like that it leaked and didn't stay until Friday.  Who knows. 

Agreed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 23, 2021, 02:14:42 PM
He said they were 'inaccurate'. I don't believe he used the word 'untrue'.

Actually said "not accurate."
Can something be true and not accurate at the same time?

It's entirely possible that Nagy has been fired and just doesn't know it yet. But I doubt he went in front of the media and tried to parse words like that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 23, 2021, 02:18:46 PM

Well, it at least means that he may not be aware of a decision that may have been made.

That's possible.
But given the way the Bears operate, it would be unusual for the coach to regularly speak with Virginia McCaskey or Ted Phillips. This isn't Jerry Jones and the Cowboys.
Also, while I wouldn't put anything past that organization, it would be unusual if they'd let him go deny these rumors publicly if they were true. Nagy didn't say he didn't know anything about the rumors or try to deflect the question. He flatly called them wrong. Something made him believe that, right?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 23, 2021, 02:19:16 PM
Actually said "not accurate."
Can something be true and not accurate at the same time?

It's entirely possible that Nagy has been fired and just doesn't know it yet. But I doubt he went in front of the media and tried to parse words like that.

Counterpoint: "immunized"
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 23, 2021, 02:28:14 PM
This is the most Bears Bears thing ever. All of it.

Even if it’s not true.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on November 23, 2021, 02:34:50 PM
They stay bad because they have bad management and lots of supporters who say things like you just said.

Lol.

The Bears are bad because they have poor ownership. That's hardily unique in professional sports. I guess the fans could organize some sort of boycott or something, but I am unaware of a fan campaign that actually caused a team's ownership to change. Sounds good when ranting on the internet or for the talk radio crowd though. So, yes, blame the fans.

I'm pretty sure every Bears fan that posts on Scoop thinks the organization is terrible. So, I really don't understand the gloating, other than it just being a bunch of homer nonsense. Yes, the Packers are better than the Bears. No crap. Honestly, it has a "best fans in football" vibe. So, I guess congrats are in order.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on November 23, 2021, 02:36:51 PM
This is the most Bears Bears thing ever. All of it.

Even if it’s not true.

Don't sell them short. Still have 7 games to go! So glad we have that 17th game this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 23, 2021, 02:38:50 PM
I'm a Packers fan and the average Packers fan is awful. This little holier than thou posturing is annoying when it happens in McCormick but at least the boys are broing out then.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 23, 2021, 02:43:26 PM
At one point in my fandom, I had to root for teams owned by Bud Selig and Herb Kohl, and another run by Judge Robert Parins.  All at the same time!!!

I fully understand how hard it is to root for teams with miserable ownership.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on November 23, 2021, 02:45:02 PM
It’s beyond me how Daniel Jones is a starting NFL QB. He’s so unbelievably bad.

Jason Gerut out as Giants OC.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2021, 02:45:48 PM
Jason Gerut out as Giants OC.

Jody Garrett was fired, too
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 23, 2021, 02:57:52 PM
Actually said "not accurate."
Can something be true and not accurate at the same time?

It's entirely possible that Nagy has been fired and just doesn't know it yet. But I doubt he went in front of the media and tried to parse words like that.

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/67316402/i-still-havent-received-my-paycheck.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 23, 2021, 03:12:47 PM
The Bears are like Succession, only If Virginia was the exact opposite of Logan Roy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on November 23, 2021, 03:21:00 PM
Jody Garrett was fired, too

Tremendous remembering of a guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 23, 2021, 03:22:37 PM
Stern had a great take on Rodgers:

“Forget about the fact that he didn’t take the vaccine, he lied to everybody,” Stern continued. “He put people in danger. People have families. He’s a unnatural carnal knowledgehead and the NFL should be ashamed of themselves.”

“Now I hear he has a toe injury. Let me ask you something: When he had the toe injury, did he go to the doctor or did he go to Joe Rogan?” asked Stern.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 23, 2021, 03:25:18 PM
Actually said "not accurate."
Can something be true and not accurate at the same time?

It's entirely possible that Nagy has been fired and just doesn't know it yet. But I doubt he went in front of the media and tried to parse words like that.

Yes. Politicians do this all of the time. As long as one sentence in a 10 page report is wrong, they can claim the report is "inaccurate'.

And I agree on Nagy. He has never known as being dishonest with the media.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 23, 2021, 03:30:23 PM
Lol.

The Bears are bad because they have poor ownership. That's hardily unique in professional sports. I guess the fans could organize some sort of boycott or something, but I am unaware of a fan campaign that actually caused a team's ownership to change. Sounds good when ranting on the internet or for the talk radio crowd though. So, yes, blame the fans.

I'm pretty sure every Bears fan that posts on Scoop thinks the organization is terrible. So, I really don't understand the gloating, other than it just being a bunch of homer nonsense. Yes, the Packers are better than the Bears. No crap. Honestly, it has a "best fans in football" vibe. So, I guess congrats are in order.

Yes, I am gloating. Something about the Bears' arrogance brings it out. It's homers like Hub Arkush saying that the Bears have more talent than the Packers, then turning around and saying he doesn't think he is ready to say Nagy needs to be fired. That kind of arrogance.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 23, 2021, 03:34:26 PM
Yes, I am gloating. Something about the Bears' arrogance brings it out. It's homers like Hub Arkush saying that the Bears have more talent than the Packers, then turning around and saying he doesn't think he is ready to say Nagy needs to be fired. That kind of arrogance.

Pot meet kettle

Bears suck. Outside of those few meathead fans the Bears fanbase is incredibly self-deprecating.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on November 23, 2021, 03:35:22 PM
Yes, I am gloating. Something about the Bears' arrogance brings it out. It's homers like Hub Arkush saying that the Bears have more talent than the Packers, then turning around and saying he doesn't think he is ready to say Nagy needs to be fired. That kind of arrogance.

Hub Arkush, lol. Ok, man. I don't think Hub posts here, but gloat away.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 23, 2021, 03:35:45 PM
Yes, I am gloating. Something about the Bears' arrogance brings it out. It's homers like Hub Arkush saying that the Bears have more talent than the Packers, then turning around and saying he doesn't think he is ready to say Nagy needs to be fired. That kind of arrogance.


I think the Bears fans on Scoop, and most Bears fans I know, are actually not all that arrogant. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 23, 2021, 04:32:30 PM
Pot meet kettle

Bears suck. Outside of those few meathead fans the Bears fanbase is incredibly self-deprecating.

Probably because the Bears have sucked for most of the last three decades.  The fair weather fans of all fan bases are 100% the worst.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 23, 2021, 04:56:55 PM

I think the Bears fans on Scoop, and most Bears fans I know, are actually not all that arrogant.

Yeah. I find Vikings fans way worse to deal with than Bears fans.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2021, 05:08:31 PM
Yeah. I find Vikings fans way worse to deal with than Bears fans.

You know the Twin Cities is a lot like Paris. Just ask them
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on November 23, 2021, 05:15:13 PM
Yeah. I find Vikings fans way worse to deal with than Bears fans.

I know this is both anecdotal and a sweeping generalization but three years ago I toured Lambeau Field and the Lodge Kohler Hotel (across from Lambeau Field) with an event planner as a scouting trip for a corporate weekend event.  The woman who gave me the tour was the visiting team fan base go to person (I forget her title) for the Packers for 20+ years before taking on this new gig as an event planner.  I asked her who the worst fan base was, in her experience.  She went out of her way to praise  Bears fans (knowledgeable, friendly, respectful), mentioned that Jets fans were demanding and difficult.  But then she smiled, and said "the very worst are Vikings fans.  You'd think they'd come in all Minnesota nice, but they are without question the worst fan base I had to deal with."

Sorry 'topper. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 23, 2021, 05:47:11 PM
Hub Arkush, lol. Ok, man. I don't think Hub posts here, but gloat away.

I only make fun cuz you guys are so easy & predictable. I don't know all of the unwritten rules, so maybe it's wrong to make fun of a rival - even one that you own.

If you didn't notice, I made fun of ARod just before making fun of the Bears. No GB fun jumped on me about it. I think we are just more secure in our fandom.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 23, 2021, 05:49:44 PM
I think I mentioned it here before, but in working for the Bears, and over the years knowing people there, the least amount of “incidents” in the stands was consistently Green Bay. My experience in the stands as a season ticket holder was the same, incredibly nice folks.

The worst? Minnesota and Dallas. By far.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 23, 2021, 06:32:39 PM
Must suck when that same "stupid" "dumb" and bad organization has been to exactly the same number of Super Bowls as the Packers in the last 25 years, and thats without always having a HOF QB at the helm.

Nobody here is arguing the Bears have a good front office track record but spare me the smug sneers and pompous gloating.  Leave that to the dbags in NE who have actually won stuff.

Wait what? The Packers have more Super Bowls in the past 25 years than the Bears have in franchise history.

But yes. Vikings fans are by far the worst in the NFC North.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 23, 2021, 08:22:22 PM
I would definitely agree the Viking Fan Base is the worst . Years of winning the old NFC Central ingrained an unjust sense of superiority that Carrie’s forward to this day.

The Jets are also bad, back in the day we used to say Jets Fans looked ,and acted , like Mark Gastineau.

The Eagles fans are complete jerks as well. Their at stadium behavior is well documented , booing Santa Claus was the most famous example. and they behave the same way out of the stadium .

Baltimore is also not a very savory fan base .  That dates back to the Colts .

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 23, 2021, 09:06:19 PM
Wait what? The Packers have more Super Bowls in the past 25 years than the Bears have in franchise history.

But yes. Vikings fans are by far the worst in the NFC North.

My math was a bit off, I was thinking Super Bowl 32 was January 1997, which would be 25 years ago.  So the 25 years after that appearance.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 23, 2021, 11:04:17 PM
There's some real Schrödingers cat stuff happening with Nagy this week
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on November 23, 2021, 11:50:57 PM
Matthew Nagy is done.  And he'll never be an NFL head coach again.  He may never be a coordinator either. Hopefully Pace is gone as well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 23, 2021, 11:58:33 PM
Matthew Nagy is done.  And he'll never be an NFL head coach again.  He may never be a coordinator either. Hopefully Pace is gone as well.

This is the NFL we're talking about.  He'll get another OC job whether he deserves it or not.  Reid will take care of him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2021, 08:16:21 AM
Dick Butkus weighs in on The Bears . Some funny comments .

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2021/11/12/22778994/bears-dick-butkus-blasts-team-drastic-changes-matt-nagy-justin-fields-ryan-pace-george-mccaskey
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 24, 2021, 08:42:57 AM
Anyone else find it interesting that the situation/injury with Rodgers toe is still vague (Which toe? When did it begin/escalate? Whats the treatment outlook?) and nobody covering the Packers has bothered or cared to push for more detail?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 24, 2021, 08:46:38 AM
Anyone else find it interesting that the situation/injury with Rodgers toe is still vague (Which toe? When did it begin/escalate? Whats the treatment outlook?) and nobody covering the Packers has bothered or cared to push for more detail?

Aaron said it is 'bone related'


https://twitter.com/rachelhopmayer/status/1463224596056924182?s=20

Rachel Hopmayer
@rachelhopmayer
#Packers Aaron Rodgers tells @PatMcAfeeShow
 that his toe injury "is something that's not gonna go away," and while surgery, rest, and sitting out are all options, he refuses to sit out over this and will play through it. Hints that it's a more bone-based pinky toe issue.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2021, 08:51:00 AM
Anyone else find it interesting that the situation/injury with Rodgers toe is still vague (Which toe? When did it begin/escalate? Whats the treatment outlook?) and nobody covering the Packers has bothered or cared to push for more detail?
Here is the interview where Rodgers go through the issue it starts about 5 minutes  in

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xz2lFUKROXI
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 24, 2021, 08:56:27 AM
Right but I mean its just weird that you need to wait and get all the info from puff pieces and back patting McAfee play dates.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2021, 09:03:25 AM
Dude likely has a busted pinky tow resultin' from wild, monkey sex wit Shailene, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 24, 2021, 09:05:21 AM
Pinky toe? Just snip it off and cauterize the stump. That's a disposable appendage.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2021, 09:10:38 AM
Dude likely has a busted pinky tow resultin' from wild, monkey sex wit Shailene, aina?

Rumor has it they’re on the outs
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 24, 2021, 09:46:21 AM
Pinky toe? Just snip it off and cauterize the stump. That's a disposable appendage.

Ronnie Lott style.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on November 24, 2021, 09:48:30 AM
Anyone else find it interesting that the situation/injury with Rodgers toe is still vague (Which toe? When did it begin/escalate? Whats the treatment outlook?) and nobody covering the Packers has bothered or cared to push for more detail?

I think the whole football world is just exhausted with the MFer to be honest.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 24, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
Maybe the toe is where Dr. Rogan injected him with some healthy "immunization" stuff and now it's infected.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on November 24, 2021, 09:52:17 AM
There will be an announcement today that the NFL and St. Louis settled their case after mediation yesterday. $790 Million. Questions and particulars to be answered later this morning.

https://twitter.com/ben_fred/status/1463528370109616132?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 24, 2021, 09:53:53 AM
Based on the fact that Rodgers skated on the “immunized” comment for a as long as he did, I’m not really expecting the Packers reporters to go too deep on things. Maybe if McGinn was involved.

I also don’t know if Rodgers is going to willingly go beyond bare minimum details with anyone besides McAfee. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on November 24, 2021, 10:00:54 AM
online Wall Street Journal headline:

Aaron Rodgers Doesn’t Just Have Any Toe Injury. He Has Covid Toe

Article (behind a paywall):  https://www.wsj.com/articles/aaron-rodgers-covid-toe-11637725526?mod=hp_lead_pos13
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on November 24, 2021, 10:11:45 AM
There will be an announcement today that the NFL and St. Louis settled their case after mediation yesterday. $790 Million. Questions and particulars to be answered later this morning.

https://twitter.com/ben_fred/status/1463528370109616132?s=21

Wow. A coup for the league avoiding a trial.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 24, 2021, 10:14:12 AM
St Louis Post Dispatch article on settlement

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/sources-790-million-settlement-reached-in-rams-relocation-lawsuit/article_020b5bde-3a33-557b-aa8c-870b4c562d03.html#tracking-source=home-top-story
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 24, 2021, 10:38:54 AM
I would definitely agree the Viking Fan Base is the worst . Years of winning the old NFC Central ingrained an unjust sense of superiority that Carrie’s forward to this day.

The Jets are also bad, back in the day we used to say Jets Fans looked ,and acted , like Mark Gastineau.

The Eagles fans are complete jerks as well. Their at stadium behavior is well documented , booing Santa Claus was the most famous example. and they behave the same way out of the stadium .

Baltimore is also not a very savory fan base .  That dates back to the Colts .
Philly fans, by a mile.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 24, 2021, 10:42:19 AM
Scary stuff with Everson Griffen. Hope he's okay.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 24, 2021, 11:03:58 AM
Wow. A coup for the league avoiding a trial.

Yep. Victory for the NFL. Relatively speaking, less than $1B is spit into the wind. Like any of us getting a parking ticket.

St. Louis still lost their team and is unlikely to get another. Which I actually think is too bad because I always thought it was a decent NFL city even when its team's results were far less than the Greatest Show on Turf.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on November 24, 2021, 11:25:46 AM
Yep. Victory for the NFL. Relatively speaking, less than $1B is spit into the wind. Like any of us getting a parking ticket.

St. Louis still lost their team and is unlikely to get another. Which I actually think is too bad because I always thought it was a decent NFL city even when its team's results were far less than the Greatest Show on Turf.

Considering the reports that this case was starting to cause real tension and dissatisfaction among the NFL owners, the settlement is peanuts. No doubt they are thrilled today to have final piece of the LA move concluded.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 24, 2021, 11:35:32 AM
A court trial could have resulted in a larger verdict, but appeal after appeal would have meant delays and potential reduction.  St. Louis actually is getting a fairly decent deal compared to the compensatory damages involved.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 24, 2021, 11:54:43 AM
My math was a bit off, I was thinking Super Bowl 32 was January 1997, which would be 25 years ago.  So the 25 years after that appearance.

Actually, if we throw out all of the SBs the Packers have won, the Bears have more Super Bowl titles than Green Bay.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 24, 2021, 11:58:34 AM
Scary stuff with Everson Griffen. Hope he's okay.

Doesn't he have some kind of history with this behavior? Hoping he gets the help that he needs ASAP.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 24, 2021, 01:51:20 PM
A court trial could have resulted in a larger verdict, but appeal after appeal would have meant delays and potential reduction.  St. Louis actually is getting a fairly decent deal compared to the compensatory damages involved.

Looks like Kroenke is paying the full amount too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 24, 2021, 04:15:18 PM
Doesn't he have some kind of history with this behavior? Hoping he gets the help that he needs ASAP.

He does. He has been very open about his mental health problems.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 24, 2021, 05:41:32 PM
My god. The bears are a fiasco

https://twitter.com/danpompei/status/1463609536951070725?t=J6sd8JYadJ079MKl2u-mkg&s=19
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 24, 2021, 06:22:22 PM
Let's turn to some good Bears news. Devin Hester named a HOF semi-finalist. He has to be a first ballot inductee.

https://youtu.be/dddpWhUdUAA
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 24, 2021, 06:51:57 PM
Let's turn to some good Bears news. Devin Hester named a HOF semi-finalist. He has to be a first ballot inductee.

https://youtu.be/dddpWhUdUAA

Don't know if it will be 1st ballot, but he is definitely going to get in.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 24, 2021, 06:57:12 PM
My god. The bears are a fiasco

https://twitter.com/danpompei/status/1463609536951070725?t=J6sd8JYadJ079MKl2u-mkg&s=19

Bad organizations do bad things. Over & over & over. The McCaskeys and Ted Phillips may be wonderful people, but they are truly awful at running a football team.

But they will be making the next decision and we already know how it will turn out. Zebras don't change their stripes.

What needs to be done is what GB did. Hire a team president or Head of football operations and have him hire both the GM and the coach. Tthen make them accountable to him, not the McCaskeys.

Chances of that happening? Less than 1%,
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 24, 2021, 07:21:55 PM
Let's turn to some good Bears news. Devin Hester named a HOF semi-finalist. He has to be a first ballot inductee.

https://youtu.be/dddpWhUdUAA

Best return guy I ever saw ... though if Deion was a full-time return guy, he'd have been right up there.

It was pure hubris that led coach after coach to continue to kick to Hester. Most of those years, the Bears were offensively inept. Just punt it out of bounds and kick it either out of the end zone or toward the sideline. But no ... "We're the team that's gonna stop Hester." Uh ... right.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 24, 2021, 07:58:22 PM
Best return guy I ever saw ... though if Deion was a full-time return guy, he'd have been right up there.

It was pure hubris that led coach after coach to continue to kick to Hester. Most of those years, the Bears were offensively inept. Just punt it out of bounds and kick it either out of the end zone or toward the sideline. But no ... "We're the team that's gonna stop Hester." Uh ... right.

First ballot?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 24, 2021, 10:03:13 PM
First ballot?

NFL Hall voting is weird. A bunch of people gather at the Super Bowl site. They sit in a room and make their cases for players. And then they vote right there. I believe the Hall has a requirement that X number of players get chosen for enshrinement every year because they're trying to build up the numbers.   

So to answer your question ... I have no idea. I haven't even looked at who else is on the ballot.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 25, 2021, 07:18:34 AM
Post mov d to correct thread
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 25, 2021, 07:36:05 AM
My god. The bears are a fiasco

https://twitter.com/danpompei/status/1463609536951070725?t=J6sd8JYadJ079MKl2u-mkg&s=19

Surprised that noted Chicago sports scribe Mark Konkol got this one wrong.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 25, 2021, 07:41:48 AM
But its the way the Bears handled it when the rumors first started coming out.  They don't want to address rumors, but then let Matt Nagy go out for a press conference (where of course he has to answer all sorts of questions about it because no one else addresses rumors), and then it grows to a point where the owner has to address it to the players directly.

McCaskey or Phillips should have just released a statement saying "Nagy will be our coach for the rest of the season."  (If indeed that was true.  My guess is that Konkol could have had it right but the rumors caused them to reverse course.)  But they had Nagy be the first one to face the press after the rumors started, which is not only incompetent but distracting and somewhat cruel.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 25, 2021, 08:47:08 AM
But its the way the Bears handled it when the rumors first started coming out.  They don't want to address rumors, but then let Matt Nagy go out for a press conference (where of course he has to answer all sorts of questions about it because no one else addresses rumors), and then it grows to a point where the owner has to address it to the players directly.

McCaskey or Phillips should have just released a statement saying "Nagy will be our coach for the rest of the season."  (If indeed that was true.  My guess is that Konkol could have had it right but the rumors caused them to reverse course.)  But they had Nagy be the first one to face the press after the rumors started, which is not only incompetent but distracting and somewhat cruel.

This.

And, of course, all this typical Bears ineptitude wallpapers over the obvious: Nagy should be fired.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 25, 2021, 10:04:09 AM
Surprised that noted Chicago sports scribe Mark Konkol got this one wrong.

He may not have been wrong. I mean this is a team that called a presser to announce Dave McGinnis as head coach before he agreed to a contract. Same team that literally said “we strongly believe in continuity and changes need to be made.”

If they’re pissed the story was leaked not on their terms, and changed course because of it, that would be the least surprising thing ever.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 25, 2021, 10:14:48 AM
He may not have been wrong. I mean this is a team that called a presser to announce Dave McGinnis as head coach before he agreed to a contract. Same team that literally said “we strongly believe in continuity and changes need to be made.”

If they’re pissed the story was leaked not on their terms, and changed course because of it, that would be the least surprising thing ever.

That McGinnis thing was amazing. He was a former Bears assistant who was highly respected in the organization by players, fellow coaches and management and went on to be the Cardinals' DC. After the Bears fired Wannstedt, they wanted McGinnis. McCaskey was negotiating a contract with him, but it was nowhere near finalized; McCaskey being McCaskey, they were trying to lowball him. But McCaskey still thought it would get done and organized a press conference, and the team put out a statement saying McGinnis had been hired. The media sat in the room for more than a half-hour after when the press conference was supposed to have started. Finally, Ted Phillips, looking like he had just seen a ghost, came out and said that the announcement had been premature and that there would be no press conference. McGinnis ended up telling the Bears to go eff themselves. What a joke.

Then the Bears began to march one candidate after another into Halas Hall, and ultimately settled on arguably the worst of them all, Dick Jauron.

Post-script: McGinnis did get his shot to be a head coach, and had 3 1/2 lousy seasons leading the Cardinals. He's now an analyst on the radio for Tennessee, and I'm guessing he's pretty good because he always had the gift of gab.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 25, 2021, 10:54:47 AM
#donedeal
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 25, 2021, 11:32:57 AM
I think all national anthems need a Motown spin on them. That was very enjoyable from Neyo.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 25, 2021, 11:52:51 AM
I mean, they can’t even get the coin toss right.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on November 25, 2021, 12:05:49 PM
I mean, they can’t even get the coin toss right.
Well you could hope for the Bears to lose so they get a great first round pick....oh wait never mind.

Well maybe losing will get Nagy fired at least you have that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 25, 2021, 12:08:33 PM
Why would a penalty take away a first touch spot of the ball? So if there’s a hold and the punt isn’t fielded, a kicking team player could go and kick the ball further down field and then down it?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 25, 2021, 12:18:03 PM
He may not have been wrong. I mean this is a team that called a presser to announce Dave McGinnis as head coach before he agreed to a contract. Same team that literally said “we strongly believe in continuity and changes need to be made.”

If they’re pissed the story was leaked not on their terms, and changed course because of it, that would be the least surprising thing ever.

I mean, once again I would put nothing past this franchise, but the idea they would make a complex, unprecedented decision to fire a coach at midseason, then abruptly reverse course because the story leaked is far-fetched.
Occam's Razor says the Patch news editor got his info wrong.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 25, 2021, 01:26:24 PM
I would put nothing past this franchise

FIFY
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 25, 2021, 01:46:57 PM
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an NFL team that is this bad.

Way worse than I expected even from a winless team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on November 25, 2021, 01:58:15 PM
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an NFL team that is this bad.

Way worse than I expected even from a winless team.

Wasn’t sure which team you were talking about at first.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 25, 2021, 02:11:19 PM
Honestly kinda hoping the Bears lose at this point.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 25, 2021, 02:15:28 PM
Never seen anyone offsides as much as Quinn and not get called.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 25, 2021, 02:37:28 PM
Just two piss poor teams. Detroit with the back to back timeouts.

14 guys on the field for Detroit and Nagy calls a timeout. It’s unreal how inept he is.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 25, 2021, 02:37:37 PM
Watching the end of this game. Man do I love being a fan in the NFC North that doesn’t root for the Lions, Bears, or Vikings.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 25, 2021, 02:38:07 PM
The end of this game has been something else.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 25, 2021, 02:38:38 PM
This is what you when you have Nagy vs. Carpenter.

Set the game back 30 years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 25, 2021, 02:49:38 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1463971455205527552?t=QSWo-4gtnvDsEudFsPC-6w&s=19

Da fuq?

So it was a made-up leak/report to bring the locker room together?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on November 25, 2021, 03:07:02 PM
The end of this game has been something else.
The rest of it was not much better.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 25, 2021, 03:23:51 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1463971455205527552?t=QSWo-4gtnvDsEudFsPC-6w&s=19

Da fuq?

So it was a made-up leak/report to bring the locker room together?

Well, it worked. Bears played incredibly well in vanquishing a talented opponent for a HUGE win!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 25, 2021, 03:42:46 PM
I’d say the Bears would’ve been better off losing so they move up in terms of where their first round pick falls, but they don’t have one of those.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 25, 2021, 07:11:13 PM
Second game slightly better than the first game today.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 25, 2021, 07:32:12 PM
376 penalty yards in the Boys/Raiders game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2021, 07:08:21 AM
Aaron Rodgers calls the plays in practice while he rests toe

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32720835/green-bay-packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-practice-due-toe-injury-play-vs-los-angeles-rams
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 27, 2021, 09:15:14 AM
Aaron Rodgers calls the plays in practice while he rests toe

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32720835/green-bay-packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-practice-due-toe-injury-play-vs-los-angeles-rams

I hope he's not taken ibuprofen, or anything stronger, for that toe. People are saying that Advil can make a man sterile.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 27, 2021, 09:15:52 AM
Aaron Rodgers calls the plays in practice while he rests toe

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32720835/green-bay-packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-practice-due-toe-injury-play-vs-los-angeles-rams

He didn’t call plays.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 27, 2021, 10:10:20 AM
He didn’t call plays.
Correct , He relayed the play calls.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 28, 2021, 08:57:40 AM
Stafford seems pumped up to play in Lambeau.
https://nypost.com/2021/11/28/matthew-stafford-adds-new-storyline-to-rams-packers-rematch/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 28, 2021, 12:46:36 PM
Stafford seems pumped up to play in Lambeau.
https://nypost.com/2021/11/28/matthew-stafford-adds-new-storyline-to-rams-packers-rematch/
He finally has a chance to win there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 28, 2021, 01:28:39 PM
Cam is basically the Undertaker. Give him 11 months off, he’s good for 1 game/match. Ask him to do it again next week, no bueno.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 28, 2021, 01:51:50 PM
Cam is basically the Undertaker. Give him 11 months off, he’s good for 1 game/match. Ask him to do it again next week, no bueno.

4/17 is incredible.  How?!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 28, 2021, 02:06:53 PM
Ti-Cats looking good cashing in off turnovers to go up 17. I love the snow falling in Hamilton. Hopefully this is their year (hosting the Grey Cup should help).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 28, 2021, 02:32:16 PM
Cam is basically the Undertaker. Give him 11 months off, he’s good for 1 game/match. Ask him to do it again next week, no bueno.

Not that it would have mattered on a day that's been a total flame-out, but Rhule shoulda had the stones to give Cam the rest of the day off at halftime.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 28, 2021, 02:49:38 PM
New England may be the best team in the AFC again
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 28, 2021, 02:50:32 PM
Funny how the 5rh QB taken in the draft has been far and away the best rookie QBs this year. GMs always want to project instead of doing the obvious.

Lawrence will be great. Jones will have a better career than the others.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 28, 2021, 03:22:20 PM
Funny how the 5rh QB taken in the draft has been far and away the best rookie QBs this year. GMs always want to project instead of doing the obvious.

Lawrence will be great. Jones will have a better career than the others.

Doing the obvious? Name the last great Bama QB in the pros?

And maybe Jones was the only of those QBs that went to a team that wasn’t in shambles
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 28, 2021, 03:23:15 PM
Bucs come from behind and beat Colts.
Having Gronk back from injury makes a huge difference . He is an offensive threat and his blocking helps set the run game up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 28, 2021, 03:23:43 PM
Always comforting to see that Scam is indeed back
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 28, 2021, 03:27:04 PM
The end of the Bucs-Colts game illustrates why guys just stop running at the 1 instead of scoring a TD like Fournette did.

Fournette stopped at the 1, the Bucs would have won on a chip-shot FG as time expired. The only chance the Colts had was if Fournette scored. The only chance.

So Indy actually was lucky Fournette scored ... and then the Colts almost made the Bucs pay when their return guy just about took the ensuing kickoff to the house.

Fortunately for TB, one of their guys made the tackle at the TB 30, and then Wentz made a bad decision on his first pass, necessitating a Hail Mary attempt that failed. Had Wentz just taken a 10-15 yard pass over the middle, Indy still had a TO and it would have set up a realistic 15-20 yard pass into the end zone.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 28, 2021, 03:36:33 PM
On the game winning play by Fournette ,Gronk made an incredible block that sealed the defense off and created a massive hole that Fournette ran through . Textbook .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 28, 2021, 03:53:12 PM
The end of the Bucs-Colts game illustrates why guys just stop running at the 1 instead of scoring a TD like Fournette did.

Fournette stopped at the 1, the Bucs would have won on a chip-shot FG as time expired. The only chance the Colts had was if Fournette scored. The only chance.

So Indy actually was lucky Fournette scored ... and then the Colts almost made the Bucs pay when their return guy just about took the ensuing kickoff to the house.

Those of us with Tampa -3 were also pretty lucky that Fournette scored.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 28, 2021, 03:54:36 PM
Doing the obvious? Name the last great Bama QB in the pros?

And maybe Jones was the only of those QBs that went to a team that wasn’t in shambles

Silly argument. If GB thought like that, they wouldn’t have drafted Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 28, 2021, 03:57:18 PM
Doing the obvious? Name the last great Bama QB in the pros?

And maybe Jones was the only of those QBs that went to a team that wasn’t in shambles

Never helmet scout.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on November 28, 2021, 04:05:08 PM
Never helmet scout.

Sure, but I’m trying to understand why Mac Jones was “obvious”, so much that he should have been a no brainer top 4 or top 10 pick.  He had one season winning a bunch for Bama, but the majority of offensive skill players on the Saban Bama juggernauts, outside of WRs, haven’t done much in the NFL
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 28, 2021, 04:08:43 PM
Sullivan needs to tackle him. Injury depth hurts.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 28, 2021, 04:23:05 PM
Sure, but I’m trying to understand why Mac Jones was “obvious”, so much that he should have been a no brainer top 4 or top 10 pick.  He had one season winning a bunch for Bama, but the majority of offensive skill players on the Saban Bama juggernauts, outside of WRs, haven’t done much in the NFL

One reason: accuracy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 28, 2021, 04:25:16 PM
Ahhh,

Time for the weekly ST rant.

It never ends. Like night follows day.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 28, 2021, 04:33:19 PM
Over and over and over.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 28, 2021, 04:37:30 PM
Sure, but I’m trying to understand why Mac Jones was “obvious”, so much that he should have been a no brainer top 4 or top 10 pick.  He had one season winning a bunch for Bama, but the majority of offensive skill players on the Saban Bama juggernauts, outside of WRs, haven’t done much in the NFL

I don't think Jones was a no brainer, but neither were any of the QBs other than Lawrence. Each had deficiencies. But Jones' have shown up the least.
The things he does really well - processing, accuracy, quick release - have been proven to be more important to NFL success than the physical traits for which he was dinged. Ideally you get guys who can do both, but if given a choice, IMO, you're better off with the quick, accurate passer than the tall guy with a rocket arm.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 28, 2021, 04:43:46 PM
Name the last great Bama QB in the pros?

And maybe Jones was the only of those QBs that went to a team that wasn’t in shambles

The first point ... Tua looked pretty darn good today, and he's looked good the last month as the Dolphins have won 4 straight. Not sure if he's gonna be "great" or not. One could argue he hasn't been any good long enough to even be considered "good." But he's very accurate, strong arm, good legs, and he's got a chance. And the Eagles sure think a lot of Hurts, though he's an even bigger question mark.

Having said all that, it really doesn't matter what those guys have done. They have absolutely no bearing on what others, including Jones, will do.

I mean, before Herbert got to Oregon, here were the school's all-time passing leaders: Mariota, Musgrave, O'Neil, Clemens, Harrington, Miller, Fouts, Thomas, Smith.

I think you'll agree that, with the exception of Fouts 1000 years ago, Oregon QBs didn't exactly go on to set the world on fire. Good thing the Chargers didn't pay any attention to that.

The second point ... absolutely. Jones definitely went to the best situation, with the most successful coach in modern NFL history adding to what already were some pretty good pieces.

And I agree with you that Jones wasn't obvious ... because if he were, all those teams wouldn't have passed on him.

Time will tell, of course, but I'm already wishing the Panthers had taken him.

That's human nature. Fans all around the NFL wish their teams didn't pass on Rodgers, Wilson, Favre, Marino, etc, etc, etc.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 28, 2021, 05:01:41 PM
Funny how the 5rh QB taken in the draft has been far and away the best rookie QBs this year. GMs always want to project instead of doing the obvious.

Lawrence will be great. Jones will have a better career than the others.

Playing devil's advocate and sticking with my belief that system, and O-line make decent QB's great, and great QB's elite, Mac Jones is playing in a really good system, with a great coach, and a solid O-line.

Many of those other QB's walked into dumpster fires of situations.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 28, 2021, 05:11:38 PM
One reason: accuracy.

What if advanced statistics show Jones wasn't the most accurate out of the rookie QBs?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 28, 2021, 05:14:48 PM
Playing devil's advocate and sticking with my belief that system, and O-line make decent QB's great, and great QB's elite, Mac Jones is playing in a really good system, with a great coach, and a solid O-line.

Many of those other QB's walked into dumpster fires of situations.

Playing devil's advocate to your devil's advocate, it's the same system, coach and O-line (swapping Ted Karras for Joe Thuney) with which Cam Newton was very, very bad last year.
All the things you mention are true, but it's also true that Jones has been good. No reason both can't be true.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 28, 2021, 05:19:23 PM
What if advanced statistics show Jones wasn't the most accurate out of the rookie QBs?

Which one?
His on-target rate of 79.6% (heading into today) is the best of any rookie QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 28, 2021, 05:43:35 PM
Packers red zone offense is brutal. Need more than FGs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 28, 2021, 05:44:08 PM
Rodgers missed a wide open Jones for an easy 1st down, and possible TD.

Never even looked to that side. Two people open, Jones wide wide open.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 28, 2021, 05:48:39 PM
You can take the man out of Detroit…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on November 28, 2021, 05:55:42 PM
You can take the man out of Detroit…

He's definitely been off this game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 28, 2021, 06:06:47 PM
You can take the man out of Detroit…

He gets stats, not wins.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on November 28, 2021, 06:28:32 PM
Lol at that CB trying to make a solo tackle on Dillon.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on November 28, 2021, 06:50:57 PM
He gets stats, not wins.

Dumb. He’s a top ten to fifteen QB. Certainly has his flaws. Dragging that lions team with maybe the worst defense in NFL history to five wins last year was a miracle.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 28, 2021, 06:53:10 PM
Delighted with the Pack win against a tough conference opponent
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 28, 2021, 07:00:23 PM
Somebody needs to go along with Bradshaw when he goes pants shopping. He’s on TV - not out hog calling.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 28, 2021, 07:07:08 PM
Dumb. He’s a top ten to fifteen QB. Certainly has his flaws. Dragging that lions team with maybe the worst defense in NFL history to five wins last year was a miracle.

Yeah, he beat a bunch of under .500 teams in his career (2-16 in the previous three seasons against teams above .500) Build a statue.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on November 28, 2021, 07:14:43 PM
He gets stats, not wins.

Spoken like every lazy armchair quarterback across America.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 28, 2021, 07:19:57 PM
Rodgers ability to make quick reads and then releases the pass swiftly and accurately , neutralized that fearsome pass rush of the Rams.

I am beginning to think the Pack can win the NFC

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on November 28, 2021, 07:22:16 PM
Stafford Lioning up the Rams.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on November 28, 2021, 10:18:39 PM
Rodgers ability to make quick reads and then releases the pass swiftly and accurately , neutralized that fearsome pass rush of the Rams.

I am beginning to think the Pack can win the NFC

They've been 13-3 the past two seasons and are 9-3 now.  Of course they can win the NFC.  Will they?  Probably not.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on November 28, 2021, 10:41:51 PM
They've been 13-3 the past two seasons and are 9-3 now.  Of course they can win the NFC.  Will they?  Probably not.

They have the tie breaker against the team currently .5 games up and one of the easiest remaining schedules (noteworthy that they are tied with ARI, but Arizona has an extra game and a road game against Dallas left).

Not saying they'll get it, but they've put themselves in pretty good shape for the 1 seed in a year where there are no dominant teams.

For a team as banged up as GB, an extra week to get its stars rested (or back) might make the bye more meaningful to GB than in most years
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 28, 2021, 10:48:07 PM
We’ll find out on Tuesday if Bears/Packers gets flexed to Niners/Bengals. It’s an interesting broadcast schedule that week. CBS has a loaded schedule that day, and Fox gets both NYC teams.

You can bet Packers/Ravens gets a later time slot the following week. I’d be very surprised if that game stays a noon kick.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on November 28, 2021, 11:05:43 PM
Which one?
His on-target rate of 79.6% (heading into today) is the best of any rookie QB.

In responding to Jockey, I was referencing their college statistics
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 29, 2021, 06:07:46 AM
We’ll find out on Tuesday if Bears/Packers gets flexed to Niners/Bengals. It’s an interesting broadcast schedule that week. CBS has a loaded schedule that day, and Fox gets both NYC teams.

You can bet Packers/Ravens gets a later time slot the following week. I’d be very surprised if that game stays a noon kick.


Hopefully that Bear game is flexed. Sunday night games are 🤮🤮🤮. Hoping the same for January 2 with Chiefs / Bengals and Cowboys / Cardinals on the schedule.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 29, 2021, 06:16:09 AM
Dumb. He’s a top ten to fifteen QB. Certainly has his flaws. Dragging that lions team with maybe the worst defense in NFL history to five wins last year was a miracle.

Yep. 10-15 is about right. Makes a lot of beautiful throws. Makes a couple of head scratchers though. That’s been his MO since he’s been in the league.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 06:43:56 AM
For the first time, a Charlotte scribe is wondering about the future of The Great Joe Brady, Boy Genius.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article256176757.html?ac_cid=DM570865&ac_bid=-1812432809

Brady and his system crumbled around Newton and the offense. Even the things he does well were absent from his game plan. McCaffrey didn’t catch a pass. The Panthers’ run game didn’t threaten Miami effectively with zone reads or quarterback runs.

Brady’s scheme looks predictable. It lacks creativity and cannot overcome the Panthers’ lack of talent across the offensive line. Brady took football by storm calling plays for LSU’s 2019 championship team. He exploited mismatches with a stacked roster. Without those built-in advantages, NFL defenses are forcing him to evolve and he hasn’t yet.

Coach Matt Rhule must consider changes across his order of operations. Perhaps it’s time for a new play-caller.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 29, 2021, 08:40:13 AM
Isn’t it hard for anyone to be a good play caller when you are working with the worst QBs in the league?

I’m not defending the guy. I’m just wondering.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 29, 2021, 08:51:41 AM
Isn’t it hard for anyone to be a good play caller when you are working with the worst QBs in the league?

I’m not defending the guy. I’m just wondering.


Also why would you bring in a QB that requires you to change up your game plan?  Of course the reason is that brought Cam in for nostalgia, not because he's a good quarterback.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 09:27:19 AM
Isn’t it hard for anyone to be a good play caller when you are working with the worst QBs in the league?

I’m not defending the guy. I’m just wondering.

That's legit. But Newton played well the previous week, and Brady didn't take advantage of the many options a QB with Cam's unique skills present. And even yesterday ... Newton hit early on a 60-yard pass to set up a TD. Never again did Brady call a deep route. Everything was underneath, even though the defense kept jumping those routes. It was similar with Darnold. He has a big arm, but Brady didn't let him use it. Lots of dinkin' and dunkin'. And how do you not get a single catch for McCaffrey, the best receiver out of the backfield in the NFL?

So there's plenty of blame to go around, of course. There always is. But a coach's #1 job is to take advantage of what his players can do to give them the best chance to succeed.

Even the head coach has criticized Brady's play-calling ... though that could be partly (mainly?) to cover his own arse.


Also why would you bring in a QB that requires you to change up your game plan?  Of course the reason is that brought Cam in for nostalgia, not because he's a good quarterback.

Hard to argue with that.

But they did bring him in, so make use of the things he does well. That's your job.

But yes, the Panthers' QB situation has been a mess since the midseason 2018 game in which Newton's shoulder was blown up. The Panthers were 6-2 before that loss in Pittsburgh. Since then: 16-36.

As for Brady ... as a Panthers fan I've been pretty unimpressed since Day 1. It's easy to run a college offense when you have a top-draft-pick quality QB surrounded by tons and tons of talent.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 29, 2021, 10:29:34 AM
That's legit. But Newton played well the previous week, and Brady didn't take advantage of the many options a QB with Cam's unique skills present. And even yesterday ... Newton hit early on a 60-yard pass to set up a TD. Never again did Brady call a deep route. Everything was underneath, even though the defense kept jumping those routes. It was similar with Darnold. He has a big arm, but Brady didn't let him use it. Lots of dinkin' and dunkin'. And how do you not get a single catch for McCaffrey, the best receiver out of the backfield in the NFL?



Is Cam hurt right now? Watching the highlights ( :-\) from yesterday, he looked like a guy with a bad shoulder. Looked like his passes were being pushed rather than thrown normally. Has all the wear & tear caught up to him?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 29, 2021, 11:36:23 AM
For the first time, a Charlotte scribe is wondering about the future of The Great Joe Brady, Boy Genius.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article256176757.html?ac_cid=DM570865&ac_bid=-1812432809

Brady and his system crumbled around Newton and the offense. Even the things he does well were absent from his game plan. McCaffrey didn’t catch a pass. The Panthers’ run game didn’t threaten Miami effectively with zone reads or quarterback runs.

Brady’s scheme looks predictable. It lacks creativity and cannot overcome the Panthers’ lack of talent across the offensive line. Brady took football by storm calling plays for LSU’s 2019 championship team. He exploited mismatches with a stacked roster. Without those built-in advantages, NFL defenses are forcing him to evolve and he hasn’t yet.

Coach Matt Rhule must consider changes across his order of operations. Perhaps it’s time for a new play-caller.


It might be time for a new coach. Oklahoma has Rhule on their short list.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 11:49:07 AM
It might be time for a new coach. Oklahoma has Rhule on their short list.

It wouldn't bother me. I haven't decided yet if Rhule is a bad NFL coach or merely an OK coach; he certainly has done nothing yet to suggest he's a good pro coach. He also has final say over all personnel decisions, and so the QB thing, and the poor OL play, are 100% on him. We could do better.

Is Cam hurt right now? Watching the highlights ( :-\) from yesterday, he looked like a guy with a bad shoulder. Looked like his passes were being pushed rather than thrown normally. Has all the wear & tear caught up to him?

I think that Cam's shoulder is better than it had been but that it still isn't "right" and it never will be. He threw as perfect a pass as could be thrown when he hit McCaffrey for the tying TD in the 11/21 game -- a 30-yarder down the seam, just over the LB and right into a sprinting McCaffrey's hands -- but otherwise, he's looked shaky on any pass over 10-15 yards.

He's never had very good form, even when he was great, so I can't speak to that. But he used to have an absolute rifle, and a beautiful deep pass. He hit on a long one yesterday, but the receiver had to wait forever for it, and it kept him from scoring. Of course, that same receiver (DJ Moore) dropped two passes right in his hands earlier in the game.

The Panthers have a bye next, and Rhule has already said Cam will start against Atlanta on 12/12. After having 2 full weeks to heal and prepare, if things don't go any better in that one, I don't know what the point would be to keep putting him out there. Rhule will be able to say it was a gamble, it created a burst of excitement in Charlotte, it failed, and it's time to think about what's next. It will have only cost $5M or so of Tepper's money, and that's like 14 cents to you and me. 

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 29, 2021, 12:02:44 PM
If I'm Oklahoma, I would go for Dave Aranda before Rhule.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 12:30:46 PM
If I'm Oklahoma, I would go for Dave Aranda before Rhule.

I guess it would depend on whether you want a guy with NFL cred. Also, Rhule has an insane contract, not that Oklahoma boosters would blink at it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 29, 2021, 12:37:34 PM
I think a defensive coach like Aranda is going to do better in the SEC rather than trying to outscore everyone. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 29, 2021, 01:07:00 PM
If I'm Oklahoma, I would go for Dave Aranda before Rhule.

Seems to be the favorite at LSU.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 01:10:37 PM
McCaffrey ... ankle injury ... done for the season.

Ugh. Can this season get any worse?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 29, 2021, 01:20:08 PM
You could root for the Lions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 29, 2021, 01:21:28 PM
McCaffrey ... ankle injury ... done for the season.

Ugh. Can this season get any worse?

403 touches in 2019.
10 games played combined in 2020 and 2021.
Not a coincidence.

And the worst part of it is that they gave him 111 of those touches in the last four games of the season, when it was clear the Panthers weren't going to the playoffs
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on November 29, 2021, 01:26:30 PM
Still trying to figure out why, when the Colts were up 10 in the second half, the Colts went 18 straight plays without handing the ball off to Jonathon Taylor.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 29, 2021, 01:35:53 PM
CMC's last year as a Panther will be next year, they have a reasonable out on his contract after next year. There's no way they can count on him to stay healthy and carry a cap hit of $17 million (even with the cap likely head up by 2023/2024.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on November 29, 2021, 01:46:12 PM
McCaffrey ... ankle injury ... done for the season.

Ugh. Can this season get any worse?

I love McCaffrey (and his dad was one of my favorite players ever...I'll always associate 911 with Ed because I learned about the first airplane when I got online to check on McCaffrey's injury from the night before).

But, this is why NFL teams are reluctant to break the bank on long-term deals for running backs. The shelf life is extremely short these days.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 29, 2021, 01:47:01 PM
Still trying to figure out why, when the Colts were up 10 in the second half, the Colts went 18 straight plays without handing the ball off to Jonathon Taylor.

Most coaches aren’t as smart as they want us to think they are. Once they started giving it to Taylor, it was like a hot knife through butter.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on November 29, 2021, 01:50:00 PM
If someone had told me at the beginning of the season that GB’s defensive success was going to depend on Rasul Douglas & Eric Stokes, I would have thought 3-9 instead of 9-3.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 29, 2021, 01:55:07 PM
Allegedly, Aranda is signing an extension at Baylor.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on November 29, 2021, 02:26:31 PM
But, this is why NFL teams are reluctant to break the bank on long-term deals for running backs. The shelf life is extremely short these days.

Responding to my own post...love it when people do that.

But this got me curious and I was looking at some stuff.

On just averages, I found a site that broke it down by position (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/). I can't vouch for the site, but I'll assume it's accurate. In order, by position, it lists the averages as:


It's kind of surprising when you realize the impact that top RBs have on the game. Of course there are plenty out there with good contracts...but the average is surprisingly low.


Another very interesting thing to me was a Bleacher Report page (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1563549-breaking-down-the-money-at-every-nfl-position) I came across that had averages from 2012. Especially interesting was comparing the top salaries for QBs for that year (in the $20 million range) with top salaries for QBs this year (in the $30 million dollar range). Then compare the top salaries for RBs in 2012 (AP at $13.7 million and then the rest at $10 million or below) with the top salaries for RBs in 2021 (Henry at $13.5 and the rest at $10 million or below). It's an interesting illustration on how the relative perceived value of RBs has stagnated in the last decade.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on November 29, 2021, 02:44:26 PM
Responding to my own post...love it when people do that.

But this got me curious and I was looking at some stuff.

On just averages, I found a site that broke it down by position (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/). I can't vouch for the site, but I'll assume it's accurate. In order, by position, it lists the averages as:

  • QB - $5.6 million
  • LT - $3.7
  • RT - $3.4
  • FS - $3.3
  • DE - $2.8
  • OLB - $2.7
  • DL - $2.7
  • SS - $2.6
  • DT - $2.6
  • ILB - $2.4
  • G - $2.4
  • WR - $2.4
  • C - $2.3
  • CB - $2.2
  • TE - $1.9
  • K - $1.8
  • RB - $1.7
  • Special Teams - $1.4
  • P - $1.4
  • FB - $1.3

It's kind of surprising when you realize the impact that top RBs have on the game. Of course there are plenty out there with good contracts...but the average is surprisingly low.


Another very interesting thing to me was a Bleacher Report page (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1563549-breaking-down-the-money-at-every-nfl-position) I came across that had averages from 2012. Especially interesting was comparing the top salaries for QBs for that year (in the $20 million range) with top salaries for QBs this year (in the $30 million dollar range). Then compare the top salaries for RBs in 2012 (AP at $13.7 million and then the rest at $10 million or below) with the top salaries for RBs in 2021 (Henry at $13.5 and the rest at $10 million or below). It's an interesting illustration on how the relative perceived value of RBs has stagnated in the last decade.

I think the issue is that the distribution of RB-quality is so non-linear. On one hand you have game breakers who "impact a game" so highly. But these are few and far between. Maybe only 1-3 backs in the league are on this level. Then you have a massive pool of "replacement level" quality backs. With the blocking systems that teams are using, I think the analytics are saying essentially, there's no difference between random mid-round-pick Rookie A, random mid-round-pick Rookie B, and veteran on second contract C, except the Vet has a perceived higher risk of injury and definitely a higher salary. So why not just plug and play dudes at RB, hope to catch lightning in a bottle, and limit your dead money risk?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on November 29, 2021, 02:55:50 PM
I think the issue is that the distribution of RB-quality is so non-linear. On one hand you have game breakers who "impact a game" so highly. But these are few and far between. Maybe only 1-3 backs in the league are on this level. Then you have a massive pool of "replacement level" quality backs. With the blocking systems that teams are using, I think the analytics are saying essentially, there's no difference between random mid-round-pick Rookie A, random mid-round-pick Rookie B, and veteran on second contract C, except the Vet has a perceived higher risk of injury and definitely a higher salary. So why not just plug and play dudes at RB, hope to catch lightning in a bottle, and limit your dead money risk?

I think you're absolutely correct. If you can get a Christian McCaffrey, he's a game changer and you should get him. If not, any old back will do (obvious hyperbole). But, even if you get a McCaffrey, he may only be at that elite level for a year or two.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 03:00:53 PM
CMC's last year as a Panther will be next year, they have a reasonable out on his contract after next year. There's no way they can count on him to stay healthy and carry a cap hit of $17 million (even with the cap likely head up by 2023/2024.

The contract really becomes easy to get out of after the 2023 season, but we'll see. He's pretty much become the face of the franchise, as well as the team's best player. But it's hard to say you can depend on him, that's for sure.

403 touches in 2019.
10 games played combined in 2020 and 2021.
Not a coincidence.

And the worst part of it is that they gave him 111 of those touches in the last four games of the season, when it was clear the Panthers weren't going to the playoffs

Yeah, they were (and he was) consumed with the 1000-1000 thing in 2019. It was stoopid ... but he was young and he had never been hurt in his entire career, so there probably was a feeling of invincibility.

Only a couple of the injuries were wear-and-tear kind of things. The shoulder injury he suffered last year came on the kind of hit any player at any position can get. And his first injury this season was a non-contact thing. But it's hard to make a case that his usage hasn't contributed to the accumulation of injuries, so I sure won't make it.


But, this is why NFL teams are reluctant to break the bank on long-term deals for running backs. The shelf life is extremely short these days.


I hear ya.

I've been around for awhile and seen a lot of football (because I'm old), so I try not to throw around superlatives that aren't justified. McCaffrey has the best hands I've ever seen on a running back. Some of the catches he makes are ridiculous.

So I do think there is a way for McCaffrey to contribute to an NFL team for a long time without taking the pounding that a starting tailback takes. He could be more of a WR hybrid -- line up in the slot, on the outside or in the backfield, kind of the way the Panthers used Curtis Samuel or the 49ers sometimes use Deebo Samuel. (I guess he'd have to change his name to Christian Samuel!) Could prolong his career perhaps?

Something to think about. He's too good a football player to not play.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on November 29, 2021, 03:08:12 PM
I think you're absolutely correct. If you can get a Christian McCaffrey, he's a game changer and you should get him. If not, any old back will do (obvious hyperbole). But, even if you get a McCaffrey, he may only be at that elite level for a year or two.


But is he really a game changer?  They have a losing record in the games in which he has played.  They made the playoffs once with zero playoff wins.

Sure he is an "elite running back," but I'm not sure what that actually gets you these days.


So I do think there is a way for McCaffrey to contribute to an NFL team for a long time without taking the pounding that a starting tailback takes. He could be more of a WR hybrid -- line up in the slot, on the outside or in the backfield, kind of the way the Panthers used Curtis Samuel or the 49ers sometimes use Deebo Samuel. (I guess he'd have to change his name to Christian Samuel!) Could prolong his career perhaps?

Something to think about. He's too good a football player to not play.

And this is a good take.  More of a receiver who can occasionally run the ball than a running back who catches.  Makes perfect sense to me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 29, 2021, 04:35:32 PM
Allegedly, Aranda is signing an extension at Baylor.

considering they encourage him to cheat it staying make sense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 29, 2021, 04:40:29 PM
considering they encourage him to cheat it staying make sense.

Nobody cares
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 29, 2021, 04:44:05 PM
403 touches in 2019.
10 games played combined in 2020 and 2021.
Not a coincidence.

And the worst part of it is that they gave him 111 of those touches in the last four games of the season, when it was clear the Panthers weren't going to the playoffs

Saw an archived interview with Marshall Faulk on Dan Patrick this morning and he told the story of how the Colts told him he was going to get fewer carries but more screen passes and it would prolong his career. Instead of getting hit by multiple 300 pound defensive linemen on screens it would be by LB's and secondary players. Considering 1/3 of his touches are receptions his body shouldn't be breaking down so soon (though he did have 590 carries in two years at Stanford).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on November 29, 2021, 04:45:51 PM
Nobody cares

no, Baylor doesn't (considering the AD enables him). They don't care about must at Baylor.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 29, 2021, 04:48:47 PM
no, Baylor doesn't (considering the AD enables him). They don't care about must at Baylor.

Nobody cares
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on November 29, 2021, 06:26:32 PM
considering they encourage him to cheat it staying make sense.

Source?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on November 29, 2021, 06:53:40 PM
The end of the Bucs-Colts game illustrates why guys just stop running at the 1 instead of scoring a TD like Fournette did.

Fournette stopped at the 1, the Bucs would have won on a chip-shot FG as time expired. The only chance the Colts had was if Fournette scored. The only chance.

So Indy actually was lucky Fournette scored ... and then the Colts almost made the Bucs pay when their return guy just about took the ensuing kickoff to the house.

Fortunately for TB, one of their guys made the tackle at the TB 30, and then Wentz made a bad decision on his first pass, necessitating a Hail Mary attempt that failed. Had Wentz just taken a 10-15 yard pass over the middle, Indy still had a TO and it would have set up a realistic 15-20 yard pass into the end zone.
In todays Bucs  Press Conference , Bruce  Arians said that in hindsight he wished Fournette stopped at the 1 yesterday against The Colts[/b]
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on November 29, 2021, 10:35:40 PM
In todays Bucs  Press Conference , Bruce  Arians said that in hindsight he wished Fournette stopped at the 1 yesterday against The Colts[/b]

Of course. But it’s easier to prepare your guy to do that if he’s running from the 4 than from the 30. But he should have!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 29, 2021, 11:15:37 PM
no, Baylor doesn't (considering the AD enables him). They don't care about must at Baylor.

Hey, that's Cheeks best man you are talking about.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on November 30, 2021, 12:13:11 PM
We’ll find out on Tuesday if Bears/Packers gets flexed to Niners/Bengals. It’s an interesting broadcast schedule that week. CBS has a loaded schedule that day, and Fox gets both NYC teams.

You can bet Packers/Ravens gets a later time slot the following week. I’d be very surprised if that game stays a noon kick.

Bears/Packers stays as the Sunday night game. Niners/Bengals gets flexed to the late afternoon, and CBS picks up Saints/Jets to break up the Fox NYC monopoly that week.

Packers/Ravens does indeed shift to the late afternoon slot the following week.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on November 30, 2021, 01:36:07 PM
Lions not in prime time ?!?!?!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 01, 2021, 04:02:55 PM
The number of unvaccinated Packers players is really making it hard for me to root for this team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on December 01, 2021, 04:10:53 PM
The number of unvaccinated Packers players is really making it hard for me to root for this team.

Who now? Campbell?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 01, 2021, 04:13:14 PM
Who now? Campbell?

yeah
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on December 01, 2021, 07:41:41 PM
The number of unvaccinated Packers players is really making it hard for me to root for this team.
Do you know that he has not been vaccinated?  I haven't seen that reported. Adams was out with covid and he was vaccinated.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 01, 2021, 07:46:41 PM
Do you know that he has not been vaccinated?  I haven't seen that reported. Adams was out with covid and he was vaccinated.

JSonline reported it. Because of the bye, he may not miss time. But Hards' point still stands
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 01, 2021, 07:48:40 PM
Do you know that he has not been vaccinated?  I haven't seen that reported. Adams was out with covid and he was vaccinated.

I’ve not seen one way or the other. I think the speculation of him possibly missing a game is people saying even if unvaccinated, due to the bye, he could still play against the Bears.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 02, 2021, 09:25:28 AM
Happy 38th Birthday to Aaron Rodgers
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/12/02/happy-38th-birthday-aaron-rodgers/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 02, 2021, 10:32:12 AM
Hope Shailene gave 'im a cream pie, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 02, 2021, 10:36:37 AM
Happy 38th Birthday to Aaron Rodgers
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/12/02/happy-38th-birthday-aaron-rodgers/

Eagerly look forward to how Rodgers somehow turns his birthday into a slight against him for "motivation"
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 02, 2021, 10:48:10 AM
Eagerly look forward to how Rodgers somehow turns his birthday into a slight against him for "motivation"

I bet he doesn’t even believe in birthdays.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 02, 2021, 10:58:05 AM
Eagerly look forward to how Rodgers somehow turns his birthday into a slight against him for "motivation"

I eagerly look forward to ESPN breathlessly looking to take down Rodgers in any and every way possible.

So you're probably not far off.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 02, 2021, 11:52:15 AM
I eagerly look forward to ESPN breathlessly looking to take down Rodgers in any and every way possible.

So you're probably not far off.

I mean, he's doing it to himself.  Its not like its some absurdly manufactured witchunt.  Id argue he was an ESPN/media darling until this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 02, 2021, 01:50:07 PM
I mean, he's doing it to himself.  Its not like its some absurdly manufactured witchunt.  Id argue he was an ESPN/media darling until this year.

His parents probably sent him a card and that made him mad enough to motivate him
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 02, 2021, 02:36:06 PM
I mean, he's doing it to himself.  Its not like its some absurdly manufactured witchunt.  I'd argue he was an ESPN/media darling until this year.

What?  Aaron was supposedly the 'problem' all off season, and ESPN pushed the narrative that he and the mgmt etc didn't get along.  All of this was started by Adam Schefter.

I'm not absolving Aaron of bonehead behavior, but ESPN put a target on Rodgers' back for the last year... which is the important time frame.  Since they're the ones who will develop whatever narrative they want.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 02, 2021, 02:46:33 PM
What?  Aaron was supposedly the 'problem' all off season, and ESPN pushed the narrative that he and the mgmt etc didn't get along.  All of this was started by Adam Schefter.

I'm not absolving Aaron of bonehead behavior, but ESPN put a target on Rodgers' back for the last year... which is the important time frame.  Since they're the ones who will develop whatever narrative they want.

Adam Schefter didn’t start it.  He was reporting the truth.  Rodgers wasn’t happy with management and wanted out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 02, 2021, 03:07:21 PM
NFL suspends the Bucs' Antonio Brown and Mike Edwards three games for violating COVID protocols.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 02, 2021, 03:07:39 PM
NFL suspends the Bucs' Antonio Brown and Mike Edwards three games for violating COVID protocols.

Absolute idiots
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 02, 2021, 03:08:48 PM
NFL suspends the Bucs' Antonio Brown and Mike Edwards three games for violating COVID protocols.

Submitting fake vax cards.  Unpaid suspensions and they are not appealing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 02, 2021, 03:40:33 PM
https://www.nfl.com/news/three-players-suspended-for-covid-19-violations

This is absolutely moronic on the players part .

AB was playing extremely well for The Bucs before he got hurt . I wonder if the Bucs are going to be willing to keep him on the team .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 02, 2021, 04:55:02 PM
Adam Schefter didn’t start it.  He was reporting the truth.  Rodgers wasn’t happy with management and wanted out.

Yeah.  No.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 02, 2021, 05:46:14 PM
Yeah.  No.

I’m having a hard time understanding why people won’t believe this.  Dude didn’t want to be back.  Packers called his bluff
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 02, 2021, 05:56:01 PM
I’m having a hard time understanding why people won’t believe this.  Dude didn’t want to be back.  Packers called his bluff

Schefter made up his story without sources.  He admitted it.

Whether or not it was true has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 02, 2021, 06:11:26 PM
Schefter made up his story without sources.  He admitted it.

Whether or not it was true has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

I don’t think he had sources saying Rodgers demanded a trade before the draft. But I think there’s truth that Rodgers wanted out and was unhappy with management.

People have been speculating Rodgers was unhappy with management going back to the Lafleur hire. Probably even with McCarthy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 02, 2021, 07:27:40 PM
Don't bee da problem, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 02, 2021, 08:59:10 PM
I don’t think he had sources saying Rodgers demanded a trade before the draft. But I think there’s truth that Rodgers wanted out and was unhappy with management.

People have been speculating Rodgers was unhappy with management going back to the Lafleur hire. Probably even with McCarthy.

Look, you guys can hate Aaron all you'd like.  I don't care.  And obviously there were problems.

but ESPN makes up clickbait Rodgers stories out of thin air and that is problematic.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 02, 2021, 09:15:29 PM
Look, you guys can hate Aaron all you'd like.  I don't care.  And obviously there were problems.

but ESPN makes up clickbait Rodgers stories out of thin air and that is problematic.

You think it was 90% ESPN BS and 10% Rodgers/Packers truth? 75/25?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 02, 2021, 09:19:35 PM
Look, you guys can hate Aaron all you'd like.  I don't care.  And obviously there were problems.

but ESPN makes up clickbait Rodgers stories out of thin air and that is problematic.

Don’t you think Aaron would’ve come out and said everything ESPN was putting out there was complete and utter BS if that were the case? I mean, McAfee let’s him come on his show and put out his narrative however he wants to. Yet he confirmed he wanted things done very differently in Green Bay and essentially said the organization should be looking to him to make decisions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 02, 2021, 09:59:25 PM
Don’t you think Aaron would’ve come out and said everything ESPN was putting out there was complete and utter BS if that were the case? I mean, McAfee let’s him come on his show and put out his narrative however he wants to. Yet he confirmed he wanted things done very differently in Green Bay and essentially said the organization should be looking to him to make decisions.

Obviously he never said that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 02, 2021, 10:03:55 PM
Yeah.  No.

You’re right, Hards. Being right doesn’t always play well on this board.

I would posit that every single person in the group of “greatest players ever” would be upset if management was looking to get rid of them while they are still in their prime.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on December 02, 2021, 11:02:30 PM
NFL suspends the Bucs' Antonio Brown and Mike Edwards three games for violating COVID protocols.

Honestly, they should have missed more time. That's just plain awful.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 03, 2021, 12:06:09 AM
As a QB, Taysom Hill is a good special-teams player.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 03, 2021, 06:22:45 AM
Guys guys guys guys guys guys guys.

Read my post.

I never said Aaron wasn't the problem.

Once.

I never said the rumors weren't true.

Once.

I made a comment that ESPN loves a good Aaron Rodgers story and that it drives clicks, and the Schefter isn't a sports journalist.

Everyone can read, right?

(https://i.imgur.com/xlMn0Ad.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 03, 2021, 07:42:39 AM
You’re right, Hards. Being right doesn’t always play well on this board.

I would posit that every single person in the group of “greatest players ever” would be upset if management was looking to get rid of them while they are still in their prime.


How is management "looking to get rid" of Rodgers?  Just nonsense...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 03, 2021, 07:54:52 AM
Guys guys guys guys guys guys guys.

Read my post.

I never said Aaron wasn't the problem.

Once.

I never said the rumors weren't true.

Once.

I made a comment that ESPN loves a good Aaron Rodgers story and that it drives clicks, and the Schefter isn't a sports journalist.

Everyone can read, right?

(https://i.imgur.com/xlMn0Ad.gif)

You literally said that "all of this was started by Adam Schefter."  That ESPN "put a target on Rodgers's back."  That ESPN "breathlessly looks to take down Rodgers in any and every possible way."  That "they're the ones who will develop whatever narrative they want."  That they "make up Aaron stories out of thin air."

Your response to "Rodgers wasn't happy with management and wanted out" was "Yeah.  No."

You seem to be saying the rumors weren't true.  Which obviously they were or Rodgers himself would have shot them down immediately on McAfee's show, as he's given free reign to put out whatever narrative he wants there.  But instead he fanned the flames.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 03, 2021, 08:21:42 AM
You literally said that "all of this was started by Adam Schefter."  That ESPN "put a target on Rodgers's back."  That ESPN "breathlessly looks to take down Rodgers in any and every possible way."  That "they're the ones who will develop whatever narrative they want."  That they "make up Aaron stories out of thin air."

Your response to "Rodgers wasn't happy with management and wanted out" was "Yeah.  No."

You seem to be saying the rumors weren't true.  Which obviously they were or Rodgers himself would have shot them down immediately on McAfee's show, as he's given free reign to put out whatever narrative he wants there.  But instead he fanned the flames.

"Yeah. No." was my response that Adam Schefter didin't start all this.  He did.  He is the one who made it into a huge story on ESPN, AND he admitted he didn't have a source.  I haven't denied Aaron was a problem this past offseason.  In fact, I've said he was.  But yes, I see your confusion.  I'll try to be more clear in the future by stating my opinion the same way in three separate posts.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 03, 2021, 09:30:02 AM
"Yeah. No." was my response that Adam Schefter didin't start all this.  He did.  He is the one who made it into a huge story on ESPN, AND he admitted he didn't have a source.  I haven't denied Aaron was a problem this past offseason.  In fact, I've said he was.  But yes, I see your confusion.  I'll try to be more clear in the future by stating my opinion the same way in three separate posts.

Yeah.  It's still pretty confusing.  If you agree that Rodgers was a problem, and ESPN reported that Rodgers was a problem, then what, exactly, did ESPN "start?"
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 03, 2021, 09:41:58 AM
Yeah.  It's still pretty confusing.  If you agree that Rodgers was a problem, and ESPN reported that Rodgers was a problem, then what, exactly, did ESPN "start?"

World War Z
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 03, 2021, 10:25:13 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.www.complex.com/sports/michigan-high-school-basketball-team-facetimes-tom-brady-wrong-number-group-chat

This is awesome. Tom and Gronk are both great.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 05, 2021, 12:29:52 PM
Can’t count on the Bears for anything. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 05, 2021, 12:31:27 PM
The only team you can really count on is the Lions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2021, 12:33:36 PM
Panthers just fired The Great Joe Brady, Boy Genius.

This probably means Rhule is officially on the hot seat.

Tepper is not a patient man.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 05, 2021, 12:35:20 PM
The networks are only showing one lousy 1:00 pm game in my market and most likely will get a crappy 4:25 game . Aargh…….
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 05, 2021, 01:06:35 PM
Best part of the Bears game.

https://twitter.com/jdavhill/status/1467563700982800387?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2021, 01:12:20 PM
Bengals down 24-0. Finally scored midway through the 2Q on a beautiful pass from Burrow to Higgins. Had to take a TO cuz they took too long deciding to go for 2. Then took too long getting to the line and got delay-of-game penalty. Then decided to just kick the PAT … which their PK promptly missed.

Cincy’s actually having a decent season, but still … sometimes Bungles gonna be Bungles.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2021, 01:23:38 PM
Brady just handed Falcons 7 points. Assists to Arians and Leftwich.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 05, 2021, 01:27:09 PM
The only team you can really count on is the Lions.

Count on making the Vikings look horrible?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 05, 2021, 01:38:01 PM
Wow.   I left at 6-0 Vikings.   How the hell did that happen?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 05, 2021, 01:49:26 PM
The end of the first half of Bengals/Chargers was one of the oddest things I’ve seen on a football field.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2021, 02:11:54 PM
The end of the first half of Bengals/Chargers was one of the oddest things I’ve seen on a football field.

Was Burrow mad because coach told him not to spike it? Or was he mad because there were too many players still moving and they couldn't get the spike off? Between that, and the 2-point conversion mess-up, not a great half for the coaching staff.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 05, 2021, 02:26:24 PM
Was Burrow mad because coach told him not to spike it? Or was he mad because there were too many players still moving and they couldn't get the spike off? Between that, and the 2-point conversion mess-up, not a great half for the coaching staff.

I’m not even sure, it seemed like he was like “Eff this” and just walked off the field. It was a solid six plus seconds too, just weird.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 05, 2021, 02:39:04 PM
Mike Zimmer and Nepotism Kubiak with just a brilliant and innovative 2PT conversion call there  ::)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 05, 2021, 02:54:34 PM
i just got started watching again.   Bwahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on December 05, 2021, 02:56:04 PM
Baffling Lions decision.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 05, 2021, 02:56:27 PM
Mike Zimmer and Nepotism Kubiak with just a brilliant and innovative 2PT conversion call there  ::)

It’s Detroit. Doesn’t matter.

I do think it is important for each of GB’s rivals in the North to keep their coaches. Continuity is important.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 05, 2021, 03:03:13 PM
Don’t ever double team the other team’s best WR on a game deciding play.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 05, 2021, 03:12:24 PM
Unbelievable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 05, 2021, 03:13:17 PM
Lol Vikings. What kind of defense was that?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 05, 2021, 03:13:25 PM
At least the Vikings can say they beat the Packers this year. When you know you’re never going to win a Super Bowl, that’s as big of an accomplishment as you can get. The season is already a success.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 05, 2021, 03:13:43 PM
Mike Zimmer so completely and utterly lost that game.  What an absolute moron in game management
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 05, 2021, 03:15:08 PM
There's no reason to not fire the Vikings' coach right now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 05, 2021, 03:15:28 PM
Outstanding prevent defense by the Queens. Didn’t allow any long plays that could hurt them.

Zimmer is the man.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 05, 2021, 03:16:20 PM
On Black Monday, who gets future endeavored first that morning, Zimmer or Nagy?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on December 05, 2021, 03:16:44 PM
Baffling Lions decision.

If you are talking about going for it on 4th down, I'm not sure.

I kind of liked it. If they get it, they at least can make the Vikings burn their timeouts, before punting, or if another first down, win it.

If not, they didn't have confidence in holding them on D. With the full field in play, the Vikings could easily run down the clock, and likely get a game winning FG. With the short field, you kind of guarantee you a chance to get the ball back for either a FG (goal) or TD for the win.

Worked out. I think they lose if they punted there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on December 05, 2021, 03:25:02 PM
If you are talking about going for it on 4th down, I'm not sure.

I kind of liked it. If they get it, they at least can make the Vikings burn their timeouts, before punting, or if another first down, win it.

If not, they didn't have confidence in holding them on D. With the full field in play, the Vikings could easily run down the clock, and likely get a game winning FG. With the short field, you kind of guarantee you a chance to get the ball back for either a FG (goal) or TD for the win.

Worked out. I think they lose if they punted there.

With a short field they were very fortunate to win.  Still a baffling decision to me.  Punt the ball and get a stop. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 05, 2021, 03:27:25 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ibb4dyimxl381.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 05, 2021, 03:31:14 PM
Lions finally get a win. Glad they got it against the Vikings and not the Pack
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 05, 2021, 04:15:23 PM
I hope the NFC North coaches never leave
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on December 05, 2021, 04:19:49 PM
Lol Vikings. What kind of defense was that?

Everyone knows that the best pass defense to prevent a touchdown is zones that start 5-7 yards deep into the end zone. Really keeps things in front of you. Make sure you can see them scoring on you.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 05, 2021, 04:36:47 PM
Minshew Mania for The Eagles over The Jets
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 05, 2021, 05:22:42 PM
Feel like Mineshew can become the next Fitzpatrick.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 05, 2021, 06:21:27 PM
Surprised this slipped past Romo, that off-sides was totally intentional by Baltimore.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 05, 2021, 06:23:38 PM
Surprised this slipped past Romo, that off-sides was totally intentional by Baltimore.

Yep.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2021, 06:33:32 PM
The only team you can really count on is the Lions.

Not true. You also can count on the Vikings choking like dogs at some point every single season in 6 decades as an NFL franchise. Quite often multiple times per season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on December 05, 2021, 06:37:43 PM
They have to legislate that slow onside kick up the middle out of the game.  It leads to guys on both sides just headhunting to clear the way for the recovery and someone's going to get killed.  I can't remember who in the Packers-Rams game almost had his head taken off, and just now at the end of Ravens-Steelers, someone ducked out of the way at the last second.  Its a 20 yard oklahoma drill without the lineman.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 05, 2021, 07:03:43 PM
It’s really disappointing that Bears/Packers is the Sunday night game next Sunday. There’s some huge games next week, including Pokes/WFT, Niners/Bengals, Raiders/Chiefs, Ravens/Browns. I know the latter two games couldn’t be on Sunday night, but to end that day with a total dud of a game is silly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on December 05, 2021, 07:06:54 PM
Surprised this slipped past Romo, that off-sides was totally intentional by Baltimore.
Yeah that's what I thought. Guaranteed Steelers couldnt run out the  clock.

I love Romo, but my son calls him Coroni Tony because he acts like he is drunk sometimes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on December 05, 2021, 07:09:09 PM
It’s really disappointing that Bears/Packers is the Sunday night game next Sunday. There’s some huge games next week, including Pokes/WFT, Niners/Bengals, Raiders/Chiefs, Ravens/Browns. I know the latter two games couldn’t be on Sunday night, but to end that day with a total dud of a game is silly.
People like the rivalry angle. It may be a good game, hell Bears win today if they dont throw 4 freaking picks, all of which hurt them
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 05, 2021, 08:16:44 PM
People like the rivalry angle. It may be a good game, hell Bears win today if they dont throw 4 freaking picks, all of which hurt them

The Bears have won 2 games all year - 4 if you want to count Detroit.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on December 05, 2021, 09:44:35 PM
Teddy Bridgewater is the worst tackler on earth.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 05, 2021, 10:11:49 PM
Teddy Bridgewater is the worst tackler on earth.

Risk/Reward is just not there for your QB to get down and dirty making a tackle.  Thats how Cutler broke his thumb years ago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on December 05, 2021, 10:22:56 PM
Risk/Reward is just not there for your QB to get down and dirty making a tackle.  Thats how Cutler broke his thumb years ago.

Agreed. Just funny he was put in that position twice in just a couple of weeks and it went the same way both times.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 05, 2021, 10:29:21 PM
Not true. You also can count on the Vikings choking like dogs at some point every single season in 6 decades as an NFL franchise. Quite often multiple times per season.

A decade ago the Vikings wore a "50" patch on their uniforms to indicate their franchise age. 

Such a dumb idea to remind everyone how many seasons have ended in futility.   Up to 60 now, with no end in sight.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2021, 11:41:01 PM
With a short field they were very fortunate to win.  Still a baffling decision to me.  Punt the ball and get a stop.

It was basically the same decision Belichick made way back when. Leading by a few points, he went for it on 4th-and-short rather than punt the ball to Indy and Peyton Manning with a couple minutes to go.

Like the Lions, the Pats didn't get the first down. Like the Lions, the Pats gave up the go-ahead score. Unlike the Lions, the Pats weren't able to rally to victory.

I kinda like the call. In this case, it was a 0-10-1 team actually trying to win instead of trying not to lose. Plus, it was fun!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 06, 2021, 07:59:15 AM
Risk/Reward is just not there for your QB to get down and dirty making a tackle.  Thats how Cutler broke his thumb years ago.
Sure, but that was a net win for the Bears
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 06, 2021, 08:10:33 AM
A decade ago the Vikings wore a "50" patch on their uniforms to indicate their franchise age. 

Such a dumb idea to remind everyone how many seasons have ended in futility.   Up to 60 now, with no end in sight.

Lion fan wants to know how many playoff games the Vikings have won in your lifetime?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 06, 2021, 09:04:17 AM
Gardner Minshew pumped after Eagles win

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32799069/gardner-minshew-fired-see-dad-leading-philadelphia-eagles-victory

The embedded video is fun to Watch
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 06, 2021, 10:00:44 AM
When is the last time the Lions were the only NFC North team to get a win in a week?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 06, 2021, 10:50:06 AM
At least a year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2021, 12:38:12 PM
"As soon as you've gone 108 years between championships let me know, my friend."

-- Cubbie fan
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 06, 2021, 10:07:01 PM
Josh Allen was REALLY bad tonight.  Jeez
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 06, 2021, 10:11:13 PM
Josh Allen was REALLY bad tonight.  Jeez

Exciting game!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 06, 2021, 10:11:48 PM
A very accurate Mac Jones tonight. 66% completion percentage.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on December 06, 2021, 10:31:41 PM
Josh Allen was REALLY bad tonight.  Jeez

There may be a reason NE only passed the ball 3 times.

Crazy weather for a game. I do not remember a game where one team only passed 3 times. Crazy that the kickers were as accurate as they were.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 06, 2021, 10:42:27 PM
Josh Allen was REALLY bad tonight.  Jeez

The problem was that he had to throw in unthrowable conditions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 06, 2021, 10:54:59 PM
It may not bode well that the team from Buffalo is built like a team that plays in New Orleans
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2021, 10:16:10 AM
Apparently armchair QBs aren't the only ones who believe there is such a thing as "halftime adjustments" in NFL games.

From The Athletic, on why Rhule fired Brady:

Rhule pointed to a couple of areas that were trouble spots for Brady, namely the lack of production coming out of halftime and an inability to find sustained success in the run game. ... The Panthers have scored a league-worst 18 offensive points in the third quarter, a damning indictment of Rhule, Brady and the entire offensive staff’s lack of halftime adjustments. “We’ve had more success early in the game than we do later in the game,” Rhule said.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 07, 2021, 02:30:08 PM
Interesting article on ESPN website about injuries in the NFL.

Only the Ravens have been hit harder by injuries this year than GB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 08, 2021, 04:22:56 PM
Aaron Rodgers gives update on Toe
https://twitter.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1468299002815053825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1468299002815053825%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ffansided.com%2F2021%2F12%2F08%2Faaron-rodgers-toe-injury-update%2F
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on December 09, 2021, 08:48:26 PM
Big Ben getting banged up tonight.  Ouch.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 09, 2021, 08:50:18 PM
Big Ben getting banged up tonight.  Ouch.

This is borderline unwatchable. NFL didn’t do the Steelers any favors having to play their rival late Sunday and then turn around and go on the road Thursday night.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 09, 2021, 10:02:44 PM
If the Vikings lose this game, Zimmer should be fired at the 50 immediately after the coaches handshake.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 09, 2021, 10:24:12 PM
Former Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas dead at 33.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 10, 2021, 07:24:49 AM
Former Broncos WR Demaryius Thomas dead at 33.
Very sad
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32834405/former-denver-broncos-wr-demaryius-thomas-33-found-dead-home-police-say
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2021, 12:54:02 PM
I know Kahn doesn’t want to admit his error and/or pay the buyout, but the Urban thing really only ends one way right?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 12, 2021, 01:18:34 PM
I bet every Cam under I could in SGP’s today. He just got benched with 3 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter.

*Edit: I don’t blame Rhule for putting Cam back in after the horrendous INT thrown by Walker.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 12, 2021, 02:17:29 PM
The Chiefs were my pre season pick to make it to the Super Bowl in the AFC. They stumbled a bit , but now they are back.

Mahomes is such a talented player , it will be hard for any team to beat them come playoff time
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2021, 02:19:04 PM
The Chiefs wet my pee season pick to make it to the Super Bowl in the AFC.

When you are as old as you are Herman, it's always pee season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 12, 2021, 02:38:38 PM
This early window of games has been no bueno.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2021, 02:41:11 PM
This early window of games has been no bueno.


I don't know why they don't switch them out.  But I guess nothing has been great so...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 12, 2021, 02:42:00 PM
I bet every Cam under I could in SGP’s today. He just got benched with 3 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter.

*Edit: I don’t blame Rhule for putting Cam back in after the horrendous INT thrown by Walker.

Like the rest of the team, including the overrated defense, Cam is a dumpster fire.

Somewhere, Joe Brady is saying, "I guess I wasn't the problem."

(But he was part of the problem.)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 12, 2021, 02:47:55 PM
Sultan mentioned Urban earlier, I’m not really going out on a limb here, but I’ll predict he “resigns” tonight or tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2021, 03:07:55 PM
Brown / Ravens is officially interesting.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2021, 03:09:51 PM
Brown / Ravens is officially interesting.

Never mind.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 12, 2021, 03:17:20 PM
The Browns just seem to be afraid of success.  It’s wild.  I know they are banged up but my god
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 12, 2021, 03:19:46 PM
I gave up on Dallas/Washington a long time ago. Shocked to flip it back and it’s 27-20.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 12, 2021, 03:22:56 PM
I gave up on Dallas/Washington a long time ago. Shocked to flip it back and it’s 27-20.

2 TDs in under a minute will do that. That missed XP looming large
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 12, 2021, 05:15:39 PM
When you are as old as you are Herman, it's always pee season.
I agree with this analysis
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 12, 2021, 05:33:23 PM
Sultan mentioned Urban earlier, I’m not really going out on a limb here, but I’ll predict he “resigns” tonight or tomorrow.

I figured it would be before the final game so he doesn't get fired.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 12, 2021, 05:36:42 PM
I know Kahn doesn’t want to admit his error and/or pay the buyout, but the Urban thing really only ends one way right?

The funny thing is that this has gone exactly how most people figured. Urban is a dictatorial d-bag. Those guys don't last long as HCs in the pros.

At least that's what Josh McDaniel says.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2021, 06:30:03 PM
For the love of God Bears. This better not  be accurate.

https://twitter.com/danwolken/status/1470188533587578883?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 12, 2021, 07:49:39 PM
Special teams being quite special so far
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 12, 2021, 07:50:27 PM
Special teams being quite special so far

You stole my weekly rant.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 12, 2021, 07:59:34 PM
For the love of God Bears. This better not  be accurate.

https://twitter.com/danwolken/status/1470188533587578883?s=21

I think this is Trace Armstrong taking advantage of the Bears ineptitude for a Day bump at OSU.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2021, 08:02:56 PM
Sleepwalking off the bye week.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 12, 2021, 08:06:17 PM
Give Nagy an extension
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 12, 2021, 08:27:40 PM
Special Teams are a comedy of errors.

Amazing they can be this bad week after week.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on December 12, 2021, 08:30:06 PM
Da Bears?  Am I hallucinating?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 12, 2021, 08:30:31 PM
Let's make those Packers stock certificates worth something and vote for our next ST coordinator
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 12, 2021, 08:42:52 PM
Let's make those Packers stock certificates worth something and vote for our next ST coordinator

Bump
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 12, 2021, 08:43:20 PM
What is that, 5 terrible ST plays in the 1st half?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 12, 2021, 08:44:00 PM
Sucks major ass, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 12, 2021, 08:44:21 PM
That was a hell of a punt return for 6.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 12, 2021, 08:46:05 PM
What is that, 5 terrible ST plays in the 1st half?

Business as usual. McCarthy ignored the problem. leFluer has ignored the problem.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 12, 2021, 08:47:09 PM
Bump

I’m willing to put my votes towards you.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 12, 2021, 08:51:50 PM
What is that, 5 terrible ST plays in the 1st half?

6
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 12, 2021, 08:52:06 PM
What is that, 5 6 terrible ST plays in the 1st half?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 12, 2021, 08:59:03 PM
Packers special teams are pure garbage.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on December 12, 2021, 09:00:55 PM
As a Packers fan I have to tip my hat to Fields.  Shook off the interception.  Nimble.  Good half.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 12, 2021, 09:25:26 PM
I agree with Rodgers, they should go for 2 here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lostpassword on December 12, 2021, 09:28:02 PM
I agree with Rodgers, they should go for 2 here.

Normally I dont like going for 2 this early but with how the offense is humming I think I agree.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 12, 2021, 09:34:03 PM
Normally I dont like going for 2 this early but with how the offense is humming I think I agree.

My philosophy is when you score 6, to go up 7, always go for 2.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 12, 2021, 09:46:40 PM
I get it’s mason Crosby but why is GB taking timeouts to save a 20 yard field goal instead of 25. Rodgers loves using and abusing timeouts.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 12, 2021, 09:48:55 PM
I get it’s mason Crosby but why is GB taking timeouts to save a 20 yard field goal instead of 25. Rodgers loves using and abusing timeouts.

I used to think it was a McCarthy issue, but it seems to be a Rodgers thing.

For any Aaron Nagler fans, I watch their live cast sometimes and the most entertaining content is when Rodgers calls a timeout.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on December 12, 2021, 09:49:40 PM
Could Michaels and Collinsworth possibly be bigger apologists for Rodgers? I get they need to sell their product but you don’t have to lay it on that thick when he was just exposed as a lying dbag prima donna.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2021, 09:53:26 PM
Could Michaels and Collinsworth possibly be bigger apologists for Rodgers? I get they need to sell their product but you don’t have to lay it on that thick when he was just exposed as a lying dbag prima donna.

That was awful.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 12, 2021, 09:54:05 PM
Have we had a good special teams play yet today? Goodness.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on December 12, 2021, 09:55:26 PM
That was awful.

Agreed. He’s an awful guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 12, 2021, 09:59:12 PM
Jfc I'm going to lose my mind.

Edit:LOL
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lostpassword on December 12, 2021, 09:59:32 PM
Bump
Bump
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 12, 2021, 09:59:49 PM
We need to remove the swear filters for Packers Special Trams plays.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 12, 2021, 10:01:40 PM
I get it’s mason Crosby but why is GB taking timeouts to save a 20 yard field goal instead of 25. Rodgers loves using and abusing timeouts.
I thought the same initially, but watching them discuss it on the sideline I think they were legitimately trying to decide if they were going to go for it or not.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 12, 2021, 10:02:01 PM
Fields is Cutler 2.0. Will make some incredible plays. Physically gifted. Can’t read a defense and will throw the defense the ball a couple of times a game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 12, 2021, 10:03:34 PM
Everything about that first punt was bad. The decision to punt, the penalty, the back judge, the muff…all of it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 12, 2021, 10:05:20 PM
Everything about that first punt was bad. The decision to punt, the penalty, the back judge, the muff…all of it.

I love a good muffed punt.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on December 12, 2021, 10:06:13 PM
Fields is Cutler 2.0. Will make some incredible plays. Physically gifted. Can’t read a defense and will throw the defense the ball a couple of times a game.
He is s rookie, let's see where he is at in year 3
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 12, 2021, 10:07:41 PM
Fields is Cutler 2.0. Will make some incredible plays. Physically gifted. Can’t read a defense and will throw the defense the ball a couple of times a game.

Hard disagree. I think his processing is already better than Cutler's. Get him a coach that wants to use his strengths and a year or two of seasoning.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on December 12, 2021, 10:08:07 PM
Fields is Cutler 2.0. Will make some incredible plays. Physically gifted. Can’t read a defense and will throw the defense the ball a couple of times a game.

He’s played 10 games…….
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 12, 2021, 10:09:18 PM
Cutler? C’mon.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on December 12, 2021, 10:11:06 PM
I love a good muffed punt.
Off by one letter
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 12, 2021, 10:16:34 PM
Have the Bears made a first down this half?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 12, 2021, 10:28:30 PM
Finish of this drive interesting for some.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 12, 2021, 10:32:51 PM
Awesome special teams
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 12, 2021, 10:33:50 PM
New theory, Mo Drayton has money on the Bears to cover.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lostpassword on December 12, 2021, 10:34:12 PM
Awesome special teams
It is really quite amazing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 12, 2021, 10:37:51 PM
New theory, Mo Drayton has money on the Bears to cover.

I’ve watched football - HS, College, NFL - for over 5 decades. This is the worst performance I have ever seen and it’s not even close.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 12, 2021, 10:39:22 PM
When is the last time GB had good special teams? 1996 Superbowl team?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 12, 2021, 11:13:14 PM
When is the last time GB had good special teams? 1996 Superbowl team?

Allen Rossum in 2000
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 12, 2021, 11:54:49 PM
Fields is Cutler 2.0. Will make some incredible plays. Physically gifted. Can’t read a defense and will throw the defense the ball a couple of times a game.

Unlike others here, I agree.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 13, 2021, 12:24:17 AM
Well shucks, if two sports know-it-alls who have never said anything positive about any current Chicago sports franchises have assessed and judged a top 10+1 pick rookie QB after 9 starts and less than 250 pass attempts…then he’s surely doomed to being aggressively average.  His terrible OL and coaching situation and organizational dysfunction mean nothing, he’s just gonna be a guy, got it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 13, 2021, 06:33:34 AM
As a Packers fan, I’m fine with Justin Fields being on the Bears. So I guess both Packers and Bears fans can be happy.

It is funny seeing this reaction from Bears fans, compared to their reaction seeing Jordan Love in a single regular season game.

But have it both ways.

(For the record, Jordan Love stinks.)

Also funny, I used to be the blind Chicago hater for ragging on Jay Cutler. Now if I compare the Bears quarterback to him it’s like I kicked dirt on Al McGuire’s grave around here. Weird how that happens.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2021, 07:36:03 AM
As a Packers fan, I’m fine with Justin Fields being on the Bears. So I guess both Packers and Bears fans can be happy.

It is funny seeing this reaction from Bears fans, compared to their reaction seeing Jordan Love in a single regular season game.

But have it both ways.

(For the record, Jordan Love stinks.)

Also funny, I used to be the blind Chicago hater for ragging on Jay Cutler. Now if I compare the Bears quarterback to him it’s like I kicked dirt on Al McGuire’s grave around here. Weird how that happens.

I’m reserving judgement until I see Fields with a real coach
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 13, 2021, 07:44:15 AM
I’m reserving judgement until I see Fields with a real coach

Do you have evidence that this will happen? You gotta keep a coach who feels “awesome” at halftime even though the other team scored 21 points.

Dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things. Over and over.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2021, 07:52:12 AM
Do you have evidence that this will happen? You gotta keep a coach who feels “awesome” at halftime even though the other team scored 21 points.

Dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things. Over and over.

No, I don’t.  I don’t envy Fields
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 13, 2021, 07:59:56 AM
As a Packers fan, I’m fine with Justin Fields being on the Bears. So I guess both Packers and Bears fans can be happy.

It is funny seeing this reaction from Bears fans, compared to their reaction seeing Jordan Love in a single regular season game.

But have it both ways.

(For the record, Jordan Love stinks.)

Also funny, I used to be the blind Chicago hater for ragging on Jay Cutler. Now if I compare the Bears quarterback to him it’s like I kicked dirt on Al McGuire’s grave around here. Weird how that happens.

Other than wearing a C on their helmets, in what way are their games similar?

If you think Fields stinks, that’s cool, I have no issues with that. If you’re just saying it because they both played for Chicago, that’s a pretty lazy narrative.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 13, 2021, 08:05:22 AM
Other than wearing a C on their helmets, in what way are their games similar?

If you think Fields stinks, that’s cool, I have no issues with that. If you’re just saying it because they both played for Chicago, that’s a pretty lazy narrative.

I expect to get turnovers when Fields is the QB - just like Jay.

I realize it’s not an apples to apples comparison as Fields is a rookie and Jay was a veteran. But if I were a Bears fan, I would be worried about him learning to read defenses. Didn’t have to do it much at tOSU.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 13, 2021, 08:14:01 AM
Other than wearing a C on their helmets, in what way are their games similar?

If you think Fields stinks, that’s cool, I have no issues with that. If you’re just saying it because they both played for Chicago, that’s a pretty lazy narrative.

Well, Jay was 6'3", 231 lbs.  Fields is 6'3" 228 lbs.  Both extend plays after being hit in the back field fairly well.  Both have big arms.  Neither reads a defense well.  Both throw the other team the ball and put the ball on the ground.  Both make amazing plays with their arms.  And both play for the Bears.

Jay only approached Fields's interception % once in his career.  Jay's touchdown % was never close to as low as Fields's is.  Jay's quarterback rating and QBR were never close to as low as Fields's.  Jay's winning percentage has never been close to as low as Fields's  Fields is the better runner.

So I guess I should've said Fields is a poor man's Jay, not Jay 2.0.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 13, 2021, 08:46:39 AM
Do you have evidence that this will happen? You gotta keep a coach who feels “awesome” at halftime even though the other team scored 21 points.

Dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things. Over and over.

I was shocked by hearing that. Maybe a coach making the best of his last few games. They were only up 6. I wasn’t sure why he was walking on clouds.

I’m not really ready to make a judgement on Fields yet. Plenty of QBs have ugly first seasons. Plus, I don’t think Nagy did a very a good job of prepping the offense for Fields. I don’t think he was well prepared in the offseason.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 13, 2021, 09:22:04 AM
Waking up today, still immensely irritated at yesterday's game, which is weird for a 15 pt game. It should have been a blowout if not for STs, and yet, this was VERY close to being a loss due to the two muffed kicks alone.

I'm not sure why there is a rule that the kicking team cannot advance a recover (safety? I guess?), and the Packers got extremely lucky on the muffed punt that wasn't. Especially since the Packers did the exact same thing without penalty earlier.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 13, 2021, 09:30:48 AM
Well, Jay was 6'3", 231 lbs.  Fields is 6'3" 228 lbs.  Both extend plays after being hit in the back field fairly well.  Both have big arms.  Neither reads a defense well.  Both throw the other team the ball and put the ball on the ground.  Both make amazing plays with their arms.  And both play for the Bears.

Jay only approached Fields's interception % once in his career.  Jay's touchdown % was never close to as low as Fields's is.  Jay's quarterback rating and QBR were never close to as low as Fields's.  Jay's winning percentage has never been close to as low as Fields's  Fields is the better runner.

So I guess I should've said Fields is a poor man's Jay, not Jay 2.0.

Pretty harsh judgment of a first-year QB playing under a lame-duck (and lame) coach. A little surprised by this from you.

What did you think of Elway and Manning during their first seasons? If you don't remember, take a look at their rookie stats. Yikes!

I am NOT saying Fields will be the next Elway or Manning. He very well might be the next Cutler, or worse. I wasn't very high on him going into the draft, and I didn't want the Panthers to take him (a decision that might or might not come back to haunt them). But as I watch him toil on a bad team under a bad coach, the only grade I can objectively give him is "incomplete."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 13, 2021, 09:31:29 AM
Bears fans have to hope the comparisons to early Russell Wilson are correct.

Right now, Fields doesn't look very accurate as a passer, but he can make a lot happen with his legs to make up for that. However, a QB that runs a lot tends to get pretty beat up within a few years; RG3 comes to mind, though he was slighter than Fields, but even a guy built like Cam eventually paid the price for all those hits.

But, Wilson become considerably more accurate as he got more experience, and he was one of the few QBs I can remember that lasted as a threat as a runner, so that would be a good blueprint to follow.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2021, 09:33:51 AM
Bears fans have to hope the comparisons to early Russell Wilson are correct.

Right now, Fields doesn't look very accurate as a passer, but he can make a lot happen with his legs to make up for that. However, a QB that runs a lot tends to get pretty beat up within a few years; RG3 comes to mind, though he was slighter than Fields, but even a guy built like Cam eventually paid the price for all those hits.

But, Wilson become considerably more accurate as he got more experience, and he was one of the few QBs I can remember that lasted as a threat as a runner, so that would be a good blueprint to follow.

Fields also plays behind a terrible offensive line and has garbage WRs for the most part.

His best attributes as a passer are when they use rollouts and play action.  Nagy has criminally underused those.  Fields best games were when Lazor was calling plays.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 13, 2021, 09:34:53 AM
Long returns allowed. Errant kickoffs. Muffed kickoffs, punts and onside kicks. Shanked punts. Essentially everything that could go wrong on special teams did, and the Packers still won by 15.

There is no way they win against a playoff opponent if the STs play like that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 13, 2021, 09:37:26 AM
Long returns allowed. Errant kickoffs. Muffed kickoffs, punts and onside kicks. Shanked punts. Essentially everything that could go wrong on special teams did, and the Packers still won by 15.

There is no way they win against a playoff opponent if the STs play like that.

No blocked punts and no errant PATs or FGs! Give the coach an extension.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 13, 2021, 09:43:49 AM
Bears fans have to hope the comparisons to early Russell Wilson are correct.

Right now, Fields doesn't look very accurate as a passer, but he can make a lot happen with his legs to make up for that. However, a QB that runs a lot tends to get pretty beat up within a few years; RG3 comes to mind, though he was slighter than Fields, but even a guy built like Cam eventually paid the price for all those hits.

But, Wilson become considerably more accurate as he got more experience, and he was one of the few QBs I can remember that lasted as a threat as a runner, so that would be a good blueprint to follow.

I don't see any comparison between the two except one was very good and one was quite bad.

Wilson had a QBR of 73 as a rookie. Fields has a QBR of 27.

Wilson had 26 TD / 6 Int.
Fields has 6 TD / 10 Int.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 13, 2021, 10:12:24 AM
I am not a fan of Rex Ryan, but this is good.

https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1470389339435773955?s=20
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 13, 2021, 11:25:03 AM
Also funny, I used to be the blind Chicago hater for ragging on Jay Cutler. Now if I compare the Bears quarterback to him it’s like I kicked dirt on Al McGuire’s grave around here. Weird how that happens.

Cause you routinely made dumb  ;D ;D comments about Cutler and made him out to be a joke of a QB.  Posting the Charles Woodson quote on repeat.  Bears fans here were reasonable. Cutler had many flaws, but he was never as horrific as the press or other people made him out to be.  And his tenure in Chicago was rife with deterrents that were out of his control.

But no Bears fan thought he was a superstar messiah that you aspire to in a QB.  So to compare a young promising first round QB to him, less than a full season into his career, you know exactly what you're doing, and its dumb.  But not entirely surprising.

But, Wilson become considerably more accurate as he got more experience, and he was one of the few QBs I can remember that lasted as a threat as a runner, so that would be a good blueprint to follow.

I think Wilson's best ability with running is knowing when to use it.  He can get upfield with the best of them, but still looks to make throws even when the pocket breaks down or he is flushed.  Fields had some of the same mentality in college and has shown it as times as a Bear.  Fingers crossed.

I don't see any comparison between the two except one was very good and one was quite bad.

Wilson had a QBR of 73 as a rookie. Fields has a QBR of 27.

Wilson had 26 TD / 6 Int.
Fields has 6 TD / 10 Int.

Cause their team and personnel situations were TOTALLY the same and aligned to make a direct comparison.

Wilson, as a rookie, had a Pro Bowl LT in Okung and a Pro Bowl center in Unger.  He had a prime Marshawn Lynch.  And the Seahawks had the beginning of the Legion of Boom which was one of the best defenses of the modern era and gave them a huge point differential.  Also, an accomplished coach that knew what he was doing.  Wilson was throwing less than 25 times a game most of the time and not running for his life like Fields has to. Fields was sacked more in his first start than Wilson was in his first 5 total.

I'm not saying Fields will ever become even half of Wilson, but doing a postmortem on his career prospects right now is just baffling.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2021, 11:32:25 AM
Cause you routinely made dumb  ;D ;D comments about Cutler and made him out to be a joke of a QB.  Posting the Charles Woodson quote on repeat.  Bears fans here were reasonable. Cutler had many flaws, but he was never as horrific as the press or other people made him out to be.  And his tenure in Chicago was rife with deterrents that were out of his control.

But no Bears fan thought he was a superstar messiah that you aspire to in a QB.  So to compare a young promising first round QB to him, less than a full season into his career, you know exactly what you're doing, and its dumb.  But not entirely surprising.

I think Wilson's best ability with running is knowing when to use it.  He can get upfield with the best of them, but still looks to make throws even when the pocket breaks down or he is flushed.  Fields had some of the same mentality in college and has shown it as times as a Bear.  Fingers crossed.

Cause their team and personnel situations were TOTALLY the same and aligned to make a direct comparison.

Wilson, as a rookie, had a Pro Bowl LT in Okung and a Pro Bowl center in Unger.  He had a prime Marshawn Lynch.  And the Seahawks had the beginning of the Legion of Boom which was one of the best defenses of the modern era and gave them a huge point differential.  Also, an accomplished coach that knew what he was doing.  Wilson was throwing less than 25 times a game most of the time and not running for his life like Fields has to. Fields was sacked more in his first start than Wilson was in his first 5 total.

I'm not saying Fields will ever become even half of Wilson, but doing a postmortem on his career prospects right now is just baffling.

Part of it is history.  The Bears haven’t developed QBs and OSU QBs have busted.  It’s hard to get past priors. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 13, 2021, 11:46:03 AM
Objectively, Justin Fields is one of the worst quarterbacks in the league.  Right up there with Zach Wilson and Trevor Lawrence.  The common thread is of course they are all rookies who have little around them to prop them up unlike Mac Jones.

This is why bringing back Nagy never made sense to me.  You already know the guy can't develop quarterbacks.  Why would you give him another chance?  And now he will likely be learning his second system in as many years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 13, 2021, 11:50:30 AM
Part of it is history.  The Bears haven’t developed QBs and OSU QBs have busted.  It’s hard to get past priors.
As a Bear fan, I agree with this. More importantly, the heart of the Bear's issues is ownership so I have low expectations until that changes. Luckily, it looks like the ownership will be changing in the not to distant future.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on December 13, 2021, 12:01:27 PM
I expect to get turnovers when Fields is the QB - just like Jay.

I realize it’s not an apples to apples comparison as Fields is a rookie and Jay was a veteran. But if I were a Bears fan, I would be worried about him learning to read defenses. Didn’t have to do it much at tOSU.


Way too early to make that assessment. I'm not as concerned about Justin as I am the rest of our roster being pretty bad.
That said, I compare Aaron Rodgers to Jim Kelly, in that I expect Aaron Rodgers to lose when it counts most - just like Jim.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 13, 2021, 12:08:03 PM

Way too early to make that assessment. I'm not as concerned about Justin as I am the rest of our roster being pretty bad.
That said, I compare Aaron Rodgers to Jim Kelly, in that I expect Aaron Rodgers to lose when it counts most - just like Jim.
AR is getting that reputation but is a great talent.

So, was that AR's last game against the Bears? Or, at least in a GB uniform? I know he wants out of GB and I'd be OK with not seeing him again.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 13, 2021, 12:37:55 PM
Cause you routinely made dumb  ;D ;D comments about Cutler and made him out to be a joke of a QB.  Posting the Charles Woodson quote on repeat.  Bears fans here were reasonable. Cutler had many flaws, but he was never as horrific as the press or other people made him out to be.  And his tenure in Chicago was rife with deterrents that were out of his control.

But no Bears fan thought he was a superstar messiah that you aspire to in a QB.  So to compare a young promising first round QB to him, less than a full season into his career, you know exactly what you're doing, and its dumb.  But not entirely surprising.

I think Wilson's best ability with running is knowing when to use it.  He can get upfield with the best of them, but still looks to make throws even when the pocket breaks down or he is flushed.  Fields had some of the same mentality in college and has shown it as times as a Bear.  Fingers crossed.

Cause their team and personnel situations were TOTALLY the same and aligned to make a direct comparison.

Wilson, as a rookie, had a Pro Bowl LT in Okung and a Pro Bowl center in Unger.  He had a prime Marshawn Lynch.  And the Seahawks had the beginning of the Legion of Boom which was one of the best defenses of the modern era and gave them a huge point differential.  Also, an accomplished coach that knew what he was doing.  Wilson was throwing less than 25 times a game most of the time and not running for his life like Fields has to. Fields was sacked more in his first start than Wilson was in his first 5 total.

I'm not saying Fields will ever become even half of Wilson, but doing a postmortem on his career prospects right now is just baffling.

Fair enough.  Guess we'll see.  When I was making those "dumb" comments about Cutler, Bears fans came with their pitchforks.  5 years later, it looks like those same Bears fans now view Jay much closer to how I viewed him 5 years ago than to how they viewed him 5 years ago, if calling Fields "Cutler 2.0" is so blasphemous and offensive.

Guess we'll see if I was as accurate about Fields in 5 years as I apparently was about Cutler.  Hopefully for Bears fans' sake, I'm not.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2021, 12:39:16 PM
AR is getting that reputation but is a great talent.

So, was that AR's last game against the Bears? Or, at least in a GB uniform? I know he wants out of GB and I'd be OK with not seeing him again.

He’s on the first thing smoking out of GB after the lose in the playoffs
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on December 13, 2021, 01:10:16 PM
Bears fans have to hope the comparisons to early Russell Wilson are correct.

Right now, Fields doesn't look very accurate as a passer, but he can make a lot happen with his legs to make up for that. However, a QB that runs a lot tends to get pretty beat up within a few years; RG3 comes to mind, though he was slighter than Fields, but even a guy built like Cam eventually paid the price for all those hits.

But, Wilson become considerably more accurate as he got more experience, and he was one of the few QBs I can remember that lasted as a threat as a runner, so that would be a good blueprint to follow.

Agree with this. And I think RGIII comps aren't necessarily a bad thing.  He was smaller and was always going to have a little more difficult time absorbing punishment, but I think there's no reason his career couldn't have gone differently if Shanahan hadn't singlehandedly ended his career with coaching malpractice.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on December 13, 2021, 01:18:37 PM
Agree with this. And I think RGIII comps aren't necessarily a bad thing.  He was smaller and was always going to have a little more difficult time absorbing punishment, but I think there's no reason his career couldn't have gone differently if Shanahan hadn't singlehandedly ended his career with coaching malpractice.

Every once in a while RGIII pops up in the news and I think back about what wildly terrible choices went into playing him at the end of that season, on a bad knee, on a bad field, for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Just fantastic 1970s rub some dirt on it energy. Incredible.

Same kind of thing that makes me suggest Rodgers just cut off his pinky toe, cauterize the stump, and stop worrying about it... but I'm a meathead on a message board and not, you know, an NFL head coach or medical staff.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 13, 2021, 01:19:12 PM
He’s on the first thing smoking out of GB after the lose in the playoffs

Not likely unless he wants to leave. Love is worse than Fields. If AR leaves, they are a .500 team at best.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2021, 01:44:16 PM
Not likely unless he wants to leave. Love is worse than Fields. If AR leaves, they are a .500 team at best.

He wants out
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 13, 2021, 01:54:32 PM
Not likely unless he wants to leave. Love is worse than Fields. If AR leaves, they are a .500 team at best.
No offense but the American sports public was hammered for like 4-5 month about AR wanting out and doing a little as possible getting ready for the season. I feel like more Americans know about AR wanting out of GB than who know who the president is.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 13, 2021, 02:23:45 PM
He wants out

Almost everyone here said he was gone last summer. I said he would be on the field. You all were wrong then and I would say the odds favor you being wrong again.

I think the only way he might leave is if Hackett and Adams are both gone. 

If he goes, the Packers become the Bears - a team flailingly looking for a QB. Love is not the answer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 13, 2021, 02:37:27 PM
Love is not the answer.

England Dan and John Ford Coley disagree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QZjJU-mtFU
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 13, 2021, 02:47:24 PM
Almost everyone here said he was gone last summer. I said he would be on the field. You all were wrong then and I would say the odds favor you being wrong again.

I think the only way he might leave is if Hackett and Adams are both gone. 

If he goes, the Packers become the Bears - a team flailingly looking for a QB. Love is not the answer.
I think you are confusing two separate issues. Does AR want out? and Will the Packers let him out? Many people/'experts' agreed with you that AR would be a Packer this year.

As for AR wanting out; I think that was answered definitively last summer and AR did nothing to end that speculation.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 13, 2021, 02:49:43 PM
BTW, I think you are right Jockey that Rodgers will be here the next few years.

First, I don't think Love is impressing anyone.

Second, outside of that pick, Gutey has done an excellent job building this team and LaFleur is a very good coach.  Rodgers isn't dumb.  He knows this.  I think he also knows that if he stays, Devonte signs.

Third, where is he going to go that's going to give him a better chance than Green Bay?  It would need to be in the AFC.  Pittsburgh and Denver are really the only contenders that have questions at QB.  Do either have the draft capital to pull it off?

So both sides have reasons to move and to compromise.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 13, 2021, 02:57:00 PM
Almost everyone here said he was gone last summer. I said he would be on the field. You all were wrong then and I would say the odds favor you being wrong again.

I think the only way he might leave is if Hackett and Adams are both gone. 

If he goes, the Packers become the Bears - a team flailingly looking for a QB. Love is not the answer.
Aaron Rodgers is playing at an exceptional level. Last nights performance against The Bears was a thing of beauty.

Football requires chemistry ,teamwork and bonding . Rodgers has a great set of teammates around him that he enjoys being around and playing with .

My gut instinct is the Packers will sign Rodgers to a contract that will allow him to finish out his career on his own terms and with The Packers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 13, 2021, 03:01:01 PM
Aaron Rodgers is playing at an exceptional level. Last nights performance against The Bears was a thing of beauty.

Football requires chemistry ,teamwork and bonding . Rodgers has a great set of teammates around him that he enjoys being around and playing with .

My gut instinct is the Packers will sign Rodgers to a contract that will allow him to finish out his career on his own terms and with The Packers.

The minimum cap hit for Rodgers is $20.29 million next year and that’s if he signs for the minimum.  That money can’t be kicked down the road.  Re-signing him makes bringing Adams back almost nil and the Smiths both walk.  They still have to extend all recent picks.  The same team will not be back and they’ll be starting over in all spots but qb
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 13, 2021, 03:33:07 PM
BTW, I think you are right Jockey that Rodgers will be here the next few years.

First, I don't think Love is impressing anyone.

Second, outside of that pick, Gutey has done an excellent job building this team and LaFleur is a very good coach.  Rodgers isn't dumb.  He knows this.  I think he also knows that if he stays, Devonte signs.

Third, where is he going to go that's going to give him a better chance than Green Bay?  It would need to be in the AFC.  Pittsburgh and Denver are really the only contenders that have questions at QB.  Do either have the draft capital to pull it off?

So both sides have reasons to move and to compromise.

I think we pretty much agree. About Gutey? I am coming around. Some missteps, but generally positive. I didn’t like the LeFluer hire, but my attitude changed after just a couple games. He showed he could coach from day 1. I made fun of Joe Barry Carroll early and obviously I was wrong.

The big issue is the cap. Something like $40 million over. I expect a huge jump so that could take care of a good portion of it. But besides, Rodgers, there’s Alexander, Adams, & Campbell to sign. King is gone, probably the Smith brothers, maybe Turner and Tonyan. Possibly Amos. There’s not a lot left to push down the road. Gonna be some tough decisions - kinda like the Bears had with Fuller.

Lucky for us, we play in a sucky division.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on December 13, 2021, 06:48:17 PM
Trade Rodgers to the AFC, Adams will be gone too. Invest in the defense and offensive lines.

Try to get lucky in the draft for a serviceable quarterback, join QB hell with the other 75% of NFL teams.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 13, 2021, 07:27:21 PM
Trade Rodgers to the AFC, Adams will be gone too. Invest in the defense and offensive lines.

Try to get lucky in the draft for a serviceable quarterback, join QB hell with the other 75% of NFL teams.

The hardest thing to do in the NFL is to find an elite QB. Your solution is to get rid of an elite QB?

I'd rather win.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on December 13, 2021, 08:56:40 PM
The hardest thing to do in the NFL is to find an elite QB. Your solution is to get rid of an elite QB?

I'd rather win.

Stafford is showing that having an elite QB depends a lot on the supporting cast and system.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 13, 2021, 09:17:19 PM
What in the eff does this Monday Night crew actually do? Stafford gets stripped sacked, they ignore it, assume it’s incomplete. Stafford recovers his fumble (no one else bothers to do anything), and advanced his fumble from the point of the strip (not allowed). Clock continues to run.

Totally ignored by broadcast.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 13, 2021, 09:54:30 PM
Terrible 4th-down call by Kingsbury. Deserves to lose.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 13, 2021, 09:57:56 PM
Stafford is showing that having an elite QB depends a lot on the supporting cast and system.

So do you think GB is a SB threat with Jordan Love under center? Same supporting cast.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 13, 2021, 09:59:41 PM
Stafford is showing that having an elite QB depends a lot on the supporting cast and system.

I disagree. Stanford is the same guy he was in Detroit.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on December 13, 2021, 10:02:27 PM
So do you think GB is a SB threat with Jordan Love under center? Same supporting cast.

No, I don't think Love is the answer. Rodgers is a special talent. Best in the game right now.

My point is that it isn't as hard to find a great/elite QB as you suggest. Stafford might be the best QB on paper this year...he is far far from the best QB in actuality.

The supporting cast can make good QBs look elite. Right now, Love is not a good QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 13, 2021, 10:20:23 PM
No, I don't think Love is the answer. Rodgers is a special talent. Best in the game right now.

My point is that it isn't as hard to find a great/elite QB as you suggest. Stafford might be the best QB on paper this year...he is far far from the best QB in actuality.

The supporting cast can make good QBs look elite. Right now, Love is not a good QB.

Stanford isn’t the best QB this year - on paper or on the field. He had a higher average QBR the last 5 years in Detroit than he has with the Rams.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 13, 2021, 10:42:22 PM
Kyler and Kliff krapped the bed at the end of that game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 13, 2021, 10:43:20 PM
So do you think GB is a SB threat with Jordan Love under center? Same supporting cast.

They still play in the NFC North. Minus Rodgers, minus Adams, plus a lot of high picks, keep LeFleur, GB still wins the North most years. What’s the difference between a divisional round loss and an NFC Title game loss at this point for the Packers?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 14, 2021, 06:51:41 AM
They still play in the NFC North. Minus Rodgers, minus Adams, plus a lot of high picks, keep LeFleur, GB still wins the North most years. What’s the difference between a divisional round loss and an NFC Title game loss at this point for the Packers?
Minus Rodgers (or another top 5 QB), the Packers are pretty much the Bears in a typical year. Bears fans complain about their current offensive line and rightfully so, but have you seen what Rodgers is operating with in front of him? On opening day starter and he is a rookie 4th rounder?

An average QB doesn't make the 3rd down conversion to Lazard, the first TD to Adams, or the TD to Jones. Removing those throws alone that only someone of Rodgers caliber can make makes that game a toss-up. If Love is the QB, erase another half-dozen completions and add-in an interception, and the Bears win as easily as the Packers did with Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 14, 2021, 08:15:45 AM
Minus Rodgers (or another top 5 QB), the Packers are pretty much the Bears in a typical year. Bears fans complain about their current offensive line and rightfully so, but have you seen what Rodgers is operating with in front of him? On opening day starter and he is a rookie 4th rounder?

An average QB doesn't make the 3rd down conversion to Lazard, the first TD to Adams, or the TD to Jones. Removing those throws alone that only someone of Rodgers caliber can make makes that game a toss-up. If Love is the QB, erase another half-dozen completions and add-in an interception, and the Bears win as easily as the Packers did with Rodgers.

Well yeah.  If you take the roster as it is at this moment, remove Rodgers, remove Adams, and add nothing?  Of course the Packers aren't a good football team.  But if you give them an offseason to get the offensive line healthy and give them a number of draft picks, they're still playing in the NFC North.  They've got enough to win the division.  Would they?  Maybe not.  But there's plenty there to win games in the NFC North.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 14, 2021, 08:20:34 AM
I would rather go all in on Rodgers for as long as you can, and then rebuild with whatever pieces are left when the dust settles.

Instead of comparisons to the Bears, I think comparisons to the Vikings are better.  Kirk Cousins is a good enough quarterback to win you some games and get you to the playoffs, but they aren't ever getting over the hump with him. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 14, 2021, 08:23:20 AM
Well yeah.  If you take the roster as it is at this moment, remove Rodgers, remove Adams, and add nothing?  Of course the Packers aren't a good football team.  But if you give them an offseason to get the offensive line healthy and give them a number of draft picks, they're still playing in the NFC North.  They've got enough to win the division.  Would they?  Maybe not.  But there's plenty there to win games in the NFC North.

And, theoretically at least, if you don't pay Rodgers (and Adams?), you have a lot of cap space to improve the rest of the offensive roster around Love. Like you say, maybe it wouldn't be enough ... but maybe it would in that division.

Rodgers is an interesting conundrum for the Packers. He's obviously still among the very best, and he's "worth" a high price. But he's creepin' up on 40, he has clashed with the organization, he's selfish, he's extremely expensive, you drafted his replacement, and you have plenty of other needs.

I'm the kind of guy who says try to win a Super Bowl as long as you have the chance to, so I'd probably do what I could to keep him. But I totally accept that it's not an easy decision for the franchise.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2021, 08:24:11 AM
And, theoretically at least, if you don't pay Rodgers (and Adams?), you have a lot of cap space to improve the rest of the offensive roster around Love. Like you say, maybe it wouldn't be enough ... but maybe it would in that division.

Rodgers is an interesting conundrum for the Packers. He's obviously still among the very best, and he's "worth" a high price. But he's creepin' up on 40, he has clashed with the organization, he's selfish, he's extremely expensive, you drafted his replacement, and you have plenty of other needs.

I'm the kind of guy who says try to win a Super Bowl as long as you have the chance to, so I'd probably do what I could to keep him. But I totally accept that it's not an easy decision for the franchise.

Trade him
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 14, 2021, 09:27:31 AM
I would rather go all in on Rodgers for as long as you can, and then rebuild with whatever pieces are left when the dust settles.

Instead of comparisons to the Bears, I think comparisons to the Vikings are better.  Kirk Cousins is a good enough quarterback to win you some games and get you to the playoffs, but they aren't ever getting over the hump with him.

Or Stafford. Even with the League’s best defense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 14, 2021, 09:34:15 AM
Trade him

Wouldn't bother me or please me, but I'm not a Packers fan.

If you don't want Rodgers to leave after 2022 with you getting nothing in return, and if you want to see if Love can actually play before you have to commit longer-term to him, trading Rodgers to the highest bidder makes a lot of sense.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 14, 2021, 10:22:18 AM
I’m still of the belief that id be surprised if Rodgers isn’t on the Packers next year. I think he was trying to use all his bullets to get the Packers to restructure his deal to the point they couldn’t get rid of him. I think he thought more people would take his side and that the Packers might bend.

With the year he is having, he may have a little bit of leverage again. As others have said, I’m not sure where he goes with a better chance at than Green Bay.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2021, 10:26:34 AM
Wouldn't bother me or please me, but I'm not a Packers fan.

If you don't want Rodgers to leave after 2022 with you getting nothing in return, and if you want to see if Love can actually play before you have to commit longer-term to him, trading Rodgers to the highest bidder makes a lot of sense.

The roster will get hit hard if they keep him.  He’s not taking the minimum to stick around and they can’t kick his contract down the road.  This is the year to make the move and get the maximum return.

The idea there won’t be teams that will want him isn’t reality.  Losing Davante will be a sting as well but overpaying wideouts at his age is stupid money anyway
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 14, 2021, 10:39:36 AM
The roster will get hit hard if they keep him.  He’s not taking the minimum to stick around and they can’t kick his contract down the road.  This is the year to make the move and get the maximum return.

The idea there won’t be teams that will want him isn’t reality.  Losing Davante will be a sting as well but overpaying wideouts at his age is stupid money anyway
A contract can always be restructured .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2021, 10:55:05 AM
A contract can always be restructured .

He’s a $20 million cap hit next year if he takes the minimum.  He’s not taking the minimum.  If he doesn’t sign an extension, it’s $46 million.  They can’t kick the can down the road because any extension will count against 2022 as well.

The extra cap space coming in 2022 has already been spent on restructures for 2021.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2021, 11:00:22 AM
The Packers are all-in for 2021.  It’s what Rodgers wanted, it’s what fans wanted.  He didn’t call it the last dance for any other reason.

They can bring him back but he isn’t coming back on the minimum.  Extending him costs them Adams, the Smiths and a slew of other veterans if they want to keep Alexander.

It’s Super Bowl or bust this year
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on December 14, 2021, 11:05:35 AM
At least Rodgers is honest, if nothing else
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on December 14, 2021, 11:06:05 AM
Stanford isn’t the best QB this year - on paper or on the field. He had a higher average QBR the last 5 years in Detroit than he has with the Rams.

Which of the following is the best QB on paper this year.


QBTDsIntYardsRtg
QB130113822100.3
QB236104134104.2
QB33393898108.4
QB42743219108.8
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 14, 2021, 11:22:33 AM
Which of the following is the best QB on paper this year.


QBTDsIntYardsRtg
QB130113822100.3
QB236104134104.2
QB33393898108.4
QB42743219108.8
I vote #1 off the island
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 14, 2021, 11:25:10 AM
Trade Love four a box of kickin' t's. He sucks major ass, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 14, 2021, 11:35:22 AM
Trade Love four a box of kickin' t's. He sucks major ass, hey?

This might be the 2nd thing we agree on in 8 years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 14, 2021, 11:37:05 AM
The roster will get hit hard if they keep him.  He’s not taking the minimum to stick around and they can’t kick his contract down the road.  This is the year to make the move and get the maximum return.

The idea there won’t be teams that will want him isn’t reality.  Losing Davante will be a sting as well but overpaying wideouts at his age is stupid money anyway

Sop you want to get rid of our 2 best players - both HoFers. Really lookin for that 80s Packer vibe.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 14, 2021, 11:41:17 AM
And, theoretically at least, if you don't pay Rodgers (and Adams?), you have a lot of cap space to improve the rest of the offensive roster around Love. Like you say, maybe it wouldn't be enough ... but maybe it would in that division.

Rodgers is an interesting conundrum for the Packers. He's obviously still among the very best, and he's "worth" a high price. But he's creepin' up on 40, he has clashed with the organization, he's selfish, he's extremely expensive, you drafted his replacement, and you have plenty of other needs.

I'm the kind of guy who says try to win a Super Bowl as long as you have the chance to, so I'd probably do what I could to keep him. But I totally accept that it's not an easy decision for the franchise.

Glad you used the word 'theoretically' because that's all it is. If they trade Rodgers and let Davante go in free agency, they are still already over the cap for next year. So you can't go out and sign FAs to help the team. BTW, Brady was creepin' up on 40 7 years ago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 14, 2021, 11:41:30 AM
This might be the 2nd thing we agree on in 8 years.



Watt wuz da furst, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2021, 12:00:11 PM
Sop you want to get rid of our 2 best players - both HoFers. Really lookin for that 80s Packer vibe.

You’re not winning anything next year either way.  Salary caps are real
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 14, 2021, 01:26:59 PM
Glad you used the word 'theoretically' because that's all it is. If they trade Rodgers and let Davante go in free agency, they are still already over the cap for next year. So you can't go out and sign FAs to help the team. BTW, Brady was creepin' up on 40 7 years ago.

As I said, "I'd probably do what I could to keep him."

I would have kept Jordan, Pippen and Rodman for at least another year or two, too.

Winning championships is supposed to be the goal, and it's extremely difficult. All but a handful of teams are desperate to find or develop a championship-caliber QB. I'm a fan of one of them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 14, 2021, 02:12:06 PM


Winning championships is supposed to be the goal, and it's extremely difficult.

This brings up something interesting. I'll use the Bears as an example.

The goal should be winning the SB. But what really is the goal with a lame duck coach. It is in Nagy's best interest to win games now (meaningless games). It is in the Bears best interest to take steps toward the goal of a SB. Those are not really similar goals.

An example? If Jason Peters is healthy this week, it is in Nagy's best interest to start him to try to win. But he's 39 & won't be back next year, so he does nothing to advance the goal of a SB. Instead they let their left tackle of the future sit on the bench gaining zero experience, which hurts the teams goal. (I actually don't think he can play the position, but the Bears need to find out).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 14, 2021, 02:56:05 PM
This brings up something interesting. I'll use the Bears as an example.

The goal should be winning the SB. But what really is the goal with a lame duck coach. It is in Nagy's best interest to win games now (meaningless games). It is in the Bears best interest to take steps toward the goal of a SB. Those are not really similar goals.

An example? If Jason Peters is healthy this week, it is in Nagy's best interest to start him to try to win. But he's 39 & won't be back next year, so he does nothing to advance the goal of a SB. Instead they let their left tackle of the future sit on the bench gaining zero experience, which hurts the teams goal. (I actually don't think he can play the position, but the Bears need to find out).

One of the many problems with having an obviously lame-duck coach.

My first year in Charlotte, John Fox was still the coach. They didn't extend his contract, and it was common knowledge quite early in the season that he wasn't gonna return. He totally mailed it in, but it ended up working out OK because they were bad enough to get the top pick, and the Cam Era began. But locally, there was quite a bit of debate about playing older guys vs younger ones that season.

I was surprised the Bears were willing to hire a guy who quit on the Panthers, but he no doubt persuaded them he was the victim.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 14, 2021, 03:00:59 PM
That's why, when you make the decision to move on from the coach, you fire him ASAP.  There is no honor for keeping a guy around until the season ends.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 14, 2021, 03:10:05 PM
That's why, when you make the decision to move on from the coach, you fire him ASAP.  There is no honor for keeping a guy around until the season ends.

They so rarely do that in the NFL, though, almost like there's a pact. In the NBA, NHL and MLB, it's so much more likely to dump a coach during the season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 14, 2021, 03:20:10 PM
They so rarely do that in the NFL, though, almost like there's a pact. In the NBA, NHL and MLB, it's so much more likely to dump a coach during the season.


Since 2003, there has been a mid-season coach firing every year except 2006 and 2012.

That being said, NFL mid-season firings are usually because the organization is raising a white flag on their season.  With the longer seasons, the MLB and NBA are often just hoping to have another voice in the locker room.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 14, 2021, 07:22:10 PM
Kinda feels like the NFL and NBA are on the brink of significant season disrupting breakouts. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 14, 2021, 07:58:30 PM
Kinda feels like the NFL and NBA are America is on the brink of significant season disrupting breakouts.

FIFY
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 15, 2021, 09:01:23 AM
I don’t know how the Browns can possibly play on Saturday. By Friday, half their roster/coaching staff will be out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 15, 2021, 12:01:09 PM
I don’t know how the Browns can possibly play on Saturday. By Friday, half their roster/coaching staff will be out.

It's on NFL Network so it will be played.

Active roster and practice squad = 69 players. so even they they hit 20, they will be OK. And I imagine the League will allow salary cap exemptions for a situation like this.

But, it may very well cost them a playoff spot.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 15, 2021, 12:43:26 PM
I don’t know how the Browns can possibly play on Saturday. By Friday, half their roster/coaching staff will be out.

The league has been saying since the summer that they won't postpone games unless ordered to by the government or health professionals. So, I'm guessing they play.
Can't be any worse than Denver having to play with a WR at QB last year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 15, 2021, 12:53:56 PM
I should have stated it differently, I know they'll have no choice but to play, and the league has expanded taxi squads and what not, and it's a national game that the league doesn't want to lose. I just don't think their outbreak is done, and they may be bringing people in off the street Saturday AM.

The playoff race, and the playoffs themselves, may come down to which team is the healthiest (without positive tests). Trying to predict anything from here on out is going to be like a day to day type deal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 15, 2021, 09:04:14 PM
 Good thing Rodgers was such a good teammate getting Covid well before the playoffs
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 15, 2021, 11:44:00 PM
The Urban experiment went well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 15, 2021, 11:45:05 PM
Sultan mentioned Urban earlier, I’m not really going out on a limb here, but I’ll predict he “resigns” tonight or tomorrow.

Missed this by 2 days, but Urban is indeed out in Jacksonville.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 15, 2021, 11:50:43 PM
Good guy. Was doing a hell of a job, too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 15, 2021, 11:52:39 PM
I wonder if Dabo looks around with all the upheaval at Clemson in the last couple weeks and makes a play for Jacksonville.

I don’t think the Jags would hire him, but I could see him thinking the timing is right.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 15, 2021, 11:57:55 PM
Just missed out on all those plum college jobs too. Including ND!  Poor guy. Hopefully a man of his #strength and #character can land on his feet.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 16, 2021, 12:25:04 AM
Urban Meyer: The Lapse Dance
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 16, 2021, 05:15:43 AM
Don't kick a guy when he is down.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 16, 2021, 07:56:59 AM
Man, if I were a Jacksonville fan, I would wake up today feeling a little better but still pretty bad.  You have an owner who actually thought this was a good idea.  An owner who fell for his schtick thinking that a college football coach who wrote corny "leadership" books would make a good NFL head coach.

Now they are left with a general manager whose last two coaching hires were Jim Tomsula and Chip Kelly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 16, 2021, 08:51:08 AM
LOL Bills fans.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/12/16/unhappy-bills-fans-donate-to-local-charity-for-the-visually-impaired/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 16, 2021, 08:58:41 AM
LOL Bills fans.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/12/16/unhappy-bills-fans-donate-to-local-charity-for-the-visually-impaired/

I think they are my favorite fan base by a wide margin.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on December 16, 2021, 09:25:13 AM
Given how much everyone in the building had come to despise Meyer, how badly Khan is being dragged for the hire, and that the Texans and Jets are on the schedule, it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility that Bevell doubles the Jags' win total in the next four weeks and plays himself into contention to keep the job.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on December 16, 2021, 09:50:31 AM
LOL Bills fans.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/12/16/unhappy-bills-fans-donate-to-local-charity-for-the-visually-impaired/

They were screwed by the refs though. Blatant and obvious bad calls all going against them.

Tom Brady cheats.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 16, 2021, 09:56:35 AM
Given how much everyone in the building had come to despise Meyer, how badly Khan is being dragged for the hire, and that the Texans and Jets are on the schedule, it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility that Bevell doubles the Jags' win total in the next four weeks and plays himself into contention to keep the job.

Is Bevell the worst interview in the league?  Feel like he's been talked about for HC gigs for over a decade and never got one.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 16, 2021, 11:15:48 AM
They were screwed by the refs though. Blatant and obvious bad calls all going against them.

Tom Brady cheats.

Don't play horrifically -- as they have been for weeks now -- and fall behind 24-3, and maybe Bills fans have a stronger case.

But yes, that one non-interference call against TB followed by the (correct) interference call against Buf on almost the exact same kind of play ... that was pathetic.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on December 16, 2021, 12:07:26 PM
Man, if I were a Jacksonville fan, I would wake up today feeling a little better but still pretty bad.  You have an owner who actually thought this was a good idea.  An owner who fell for his schtick thinking that a college football coach who wrote corny "leadership" books would make a good NFL head coach.

Now they are left with a general manager whose last two coaching hires were Jim Tomsula and Chip Kelly.

The really sad thing is that Jacksonville is still in a better position - organization wise - then the Bears
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 16, 2021, 12:15:28 PM
New Coach for Jags is in a good position . They have good draft position, plenty of cap money and T  Lawrence has a year of experience now.

Khan has fully acknowledged that winning in Football is harder than winning in business . Hopefully for Jags fans they make a proper hire this time  around.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 16, 2021, 12:43:23 PM
New Coach for Jags is in a good position . They have good draft position, plenty of cap money and T  Lawrence has a year of experience now.

Khan has fully acknowledged that winning in Football is harder than winning in business . Hopefully for Jags fans they make a proper hire this time  around.

Same terrible owner
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 16, 2021, 12:43:30 PM
New Coach for Jags is in a good position . They have good draft position, plenty of cap money and T  Lawrence has a year of experience now.

Khan has fully acknowledged that winning in Football is harder than winning in business . Hopefully for Jags fans they make a proper hire this time  around.

Move the team to London
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 16, 2021, 12:47:41 PM
Same terrible owner

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51r8oeiNmQL._AC_SL1024_.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 16, 2021, 12:57:14 PM
I thought Bevell brought an edge to the Lions last year.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 16, 2021, 01:40:14 PM
Same terrible owner

Yup.

Dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things. Over & Over.

See Detroit. Chicago. NYJ.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on December 16, 2021, 02:53:37 PM
Can someone smarter than me explain the new NFL testing out of quarantine protocols for vaccinated players? Specifically the part about the CT values of 35 or greater?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 16, 2021, 03:02:41 PM
Yup.

Dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things. Over & Over.

See Detroit. Chicago. NYJ.

Their dysfunction is almost as repetitive as your smug NFL talking points
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on December 16, 2021, 03:48:55 PM
Clark out Sunday for GB (covid)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 16, 2021, 03:57:25 PM
Their dysfunction is almost as repetitive as your smug NFL talking points

1. My “smug” talking point is true.

2. Your immediate defensive response to anything that isn’t complimentary about the Bears is as predictable as rain. One trick pony kind of predictable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 16, 2021, 04:11:36 PM
At this rate, starting Saturday for the Browns at QB will be someone from Scoop.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 16, 2021, 05:11:00 PM
At this rate, starting Saturday for the Browns at QB will be someone from Scoop.

Uncle Rico, obviously.

(https://c.tenor.com/VnCxUoCpKW8AAAAC/ball-over.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 16, 2021, 05:31:36 PM
Uncle Rico, obviously.

(https://c.tenor.com/VnCxUoCpKW8AAAAC/ball-over.gif)

I dunked in high school
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 16, 2021, 06:16:46 PM
1. My “smug” talking point is true.

2. Your immediate defensive response to anything that isn’t complimentary about the Bears is as predictable as rain. One trick pony kind of predictable.

I guess it’s not smug when it’s your perpetual myopic way of thinking. Just a normal talking point.

And that’s hilariously selective memory. I’ve slammed Nagy, trashed Pace, can’t remember the last time I said a nice think about the McCaskeys and have found the org to be a joke for years.  But I guess defending a rookie QB from being deemed average less than 10 starts into his career is relentlessly predictable.

And it’s not even about the Bears, it’s the fact that you’ve posted some worthless derivative of dysfunction about various organizations repeatedly, with no other value add, to seemingly pat yourself on the back for being a fan of such a fine franchise like the Packers. But go ahead, I should be quiet and grateful for your even handed and impartial “true” insight, both here and all over the Superbar
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on December 16, 2021, 07:41:26 PM
That was some scary stuff in the Chargers/Chiefs game.  Hopefully that receiver is okay, I don't think he was touched.  It's like he became paralyzed hitting the ground. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 16, 2021, 08:03:48 PM
I guess it’s not smug when it’s your perpetual myopic way of thinking. Just a normal talking point.

And that’s hilariously selective memory. I’ve slammed Nagy, trashed Pace, can’t remember the last time I said a nice think about the McCaskeys and have found the org to be a joke for years.  But I guess defending a rookie QB from being deemed average less than 10 starts into his career is relentlessly predictable.

And it’s not even about the Bears, it’s the fact that you’ve posted some worthless derivative of dysfunction about various organizations repeatedly, with no other value add, to seemingly pat yourself on the back for being a fan of such a fine franchise like the Packers. But go ahead, I should be quiet and grateful for your even handed and impartial “true” insight, both here and all over the Superbar

Did it ever occur to you that the same teams are bad year after year after year?  As a Packer fan, I had to endure it for many years.

The reason? You guessed it. A dysfunctional front office that made the same mistakes. Once they changed their entire modus operandi, the results changed. It became a football operation instead of a team run like a mom-and-pop shop.

Finally, if you don’t like my posts, ignore me.  You’re getting to be almost as pretentious as Keefe or JayBee. Others here have mentioned your know-it-all attitude.  Maybe they were right.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 16, 2021, 08:05:01 PM
That was some scary stuff in the Chargers/Chiefs game.  Hopefully that receiver is okay, I don't think he was touched.  It's like he became paralyzed hitting the ground.

Agreed.  Head smacked the turf, but his hands were just frozen in the same position he caught the ball - like it happened before the whiplash.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 16, 2021, 08:48:20 PM
Risk Reward call on 4th and goal at the end of the half goes against The Chargers

I know analytics say go for it , I am still old school and say put the points on the board and go I to halftime on an up note
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 16, 2021, 09:48:06 PM
Did it ever occur to you that the same teams are bad year after year after year?  As a Packer fan, I had to endure it for many years.

The reason? You guessed it. A dysfunctional front office that made the same mistakes. Once they changed their entire modus operandi, the results changed. It became a football operation instead of a team run like a mom-and-pop shop.

Finally, if you don’t like my posts, ignore me.  You’re getting to be almost as pretentious as Keefe or JayBee. Others here have mentioned your know-it-all attitude.  Maybe they were right.


😲😲…😢
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 16, 2021, 09:54:37 PM
I don’t understand NFL coaches. Chargers go for it consistently on 4th down. Yet they score 6, to go up 7, and kick the PAT.

You go for 2 in that situation every time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on December 16, 2021, 09:57:26 PM
Has there been any update on this TE for the Chargers?   This happened like 2 hrs ago btw.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 16, 2021, 10:02:32 PM
I don’t understand NFL coaches. Chargers go for it consistently on 4th down. Yet they score 6, to go up 7, and kick the PAT.

You go for 2 in that situation every time.

I was just thinking about that as I watched, Dish.

I'm thinking if I'm up 1 and I score a TD, especially with less than 10 minutes to go, if I get a 2-pt conversion I'm up 2 scores and that really puts pressure on the opponent. If I get stopped, I'm still up 7 and the opponent almost surely will just kick the PAT if they happen to score.

Is that really what the analytics say, too?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 16, 2021, 10:26:48 PM
Has there been any update on this TE for the Chargers?   This happened like 2 hrs ago btw.
They said he was in stable condition and was undergoing imaging tests for the head at the hospital
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 16, 2021, 10:30:36 PM
We’ll see what happens here in overtime, but a tie is much better for the Chargers than the Chiefs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 16, 2021, 10:35:44 PM
 Chiefs rounding into form at the right time of year .

Chargers coach owns this loss
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 16, 2021, 10:40:53 PM
I like Staley a lot but he had a ROUGH game
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on December 16, 2021, 11:00:43 PM
They said he was in stable condition and was undergoing imaging tests for the head at the hospital

It's a little weird that was reported 2.5 hrs after the injury.  I'm not sure I would play again, that was terrifying.  Did he hit his head that hard on the turf?  I'm wondering if it's something else. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on December 16, 2021, 11:11:07 PM
Agreed.  Head smacked the turf, but his hands were just frozen in the same position he caught the ball - like it happened before the whiplash.

Looked like what is referred to as a fencing-response, usually signifies a traumatic brain injury, possibly affecting the brain stem.

Pretty scary stuff.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Mutaman on December 17, 2021, 04:34:13 AM
You’re getting to be almost as pretentious as Keefe

Who?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 17, 2021, 12:45:24 PM
It's a little weird that was reported 2.5 hrs after the injury.  I'm not sure I would play again, that was terrifying.  Did he hit his head that hard on the turf?  I'm wondering if it's something else.

update from the Chargers twitter:

Update: Tight End Donald Parham Jr. stayed overnight at UCLA Harbor Medical Center for observation after being diagnosed with a concussion. He is resting comfortably, alert and will likely be discharged from the hospital later today.


Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 17, 2021, 12:48:38 PM
update from the Chargers twitter:

Update: Tight End Donald Parham Jr. stayed overnight at UCLA Harbor Medical Center for observation after being diagnosed with a concussion. He is resting comfortably, alert and will likely be discharged from the hospital later today.



Thank you.  That is great news considering.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 17, 2021, 01:13:06 PM
The Raiders want the league to make the Browns forfeit this week's game. Interesting that since Raiders/Browns is an NFL Network exclusive tv window game, it can not be played against another ongoing game. A switch to Tuesday would mean the Browns would have three days in between games for their Christmas Day game against the Packers.

If I had to guess, they'll have Raiders/Browns play Monday at 4pm CST.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 18, 2021, 10:06:49 PM
My favorite non-Packer player to watch.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on December 18, 2021, 10:12:35 PM
Jonathan Taylor should be the MVP this year. None of the QBs really stand out amongst each other. Taylor is the Colts.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 19, 2021, 10:32:55 AM
Jonathan Taylor should be the MVP this year. None of the QBs really stand out amongst each other. Taylor is the Colts.
I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 19, 2021, 11:43:04 AM
Panthers Kicker goes down with injury on pregame. Gonna be a fun analytics experiment today
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 19, 2021, 11:53:56 AM
Panthers Kicker goes down with injury on pregame. Gonna be a fun analytics experiment today

I didn’t know Urban was coaching for them. Nice bounce back.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 19, 2021, 12:03:00 PM
Panthers Kicker goes down with injury on pregame. Gonna be a fun analytics experiment today




Pulled groin, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 19, 2021, 01:05:10 PM
This was a Jags TD.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 19, 2021, 01:14:03 PM
Panthers Kicker goes down with injury on pregame. Gonna be a fun analytics experiment today

They said it was a quad injury. The punter is supposed to handle the kicks ... but he has enough trouble punting. But it's OK ... the way the offense is playing, kicking probably won't be a problem.

Actually, had they had their kicker, they would have gotten a FG attempt on their second drive. Instead they went on 4th-and-7 from the 25 and Cam (who's been bad) missed his receiver. Later, they had a 4th-and-1 at midfield but called a horrendous play that never had a chance; probably would have gone for it anyway.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 19, 2021, 01:41:47 PM
If Detroit wins, the loser of Texans/Jags is in the driver’s seat for the first pick.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 19, 2021, 02:01:52 PM
Lions finally doing something to help Stafford.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 19, 2021, 02:20:56 PM
Said it many weeks ago. Cards are pretenders as far as NFC champ or super bowl is concerned
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 19, 2021, 03:10:48 PM
Said it many weeks ago. Cards are pretenders as far as NFC champ or super bowl is concerned

They are not locks to win their division
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 19, 2021, 03:42:16 PM
Hey, look, it's the Packers ST #NoMoreMo
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 19, 2021, 03:43:33 PM
Hey, look, it's the Packers ST #NoMoreMo

That may be their worst play yet. Just stupid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 19, 2021, 03:51:17 PM
Savage is getting torched. This is the reason Harbaugh is so good. Every pass heads toward Savage or Sullivan’s guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 19, 2021, 03:54:24 PM
It’s almost as if the Packers ST are actively trying to be the worst.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 19, 2021, 04:17:10 PM
As bad a half by a safety as I remember.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 19, 2021, 04:19:15 PM
I might rather have Devin Hester playing DB right now
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on December 19, 2021, 04:19:37 PM
Can some one call LaFleur and tell him that you don’t need to wait to halftime to make adjustments to cover #89. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 19, 2021, 04:21:42 PM
R-E-L-A-X
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 04:22:18 PM
Ravens are going to get some nice draft picks for Huntley
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 19, 2021, 04:23:24 PM
Ravens are going to get some nice draft picks for Huntley

He has a lot more value for the Ravens than he would any other team in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 19, 2021, 04:24:13 PM
I believe Bears/Vikings is going to get postponed. Fire away on the jokes, but the Bears can’t field anywhere close to a 53 man roster tomorrow. All of their corners are out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 19, 2021, 04:35:17 PM
I bet the packers could find a kicker that can miss as many FGs as Mason but at least kick the ball out of the back of the end zone.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 04:39:04 PM
He has a lot more value for the Ravens than he would any other team in the NFL.
As a back-up? They have their franchise QB. He's like Mark Brunnell, Aaron Brooks, Matt Flynn, etc.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 04:39:56 PM
I believe Bears/Vikings is going to get postponed. Fire away on the jokes, but the Bears can’t field anywhere close to a 53 man roster tomorrow. All of their corners are out.
How would you be able to tell?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 19, 2021, 04:49:52 PM
As a back-up? They have their franchise QB. He's like Mark Brunnell, Aaron Brooks, Matt Flynn, etc.

Yes. Lamar is injured often, plays a style that lends to injuries, and the guy is a poor man’s Lamar, so they don’t have to change the offense when Lamar is out.

There’s a reason he went undrafted. A team would be dumb to give up multiple picks for a guy based on a couple appearances.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 05:07:25 PM
Not sure how the Packers are doing this with an entire offensive line of backups.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 19, 2021, 05:16:57 PM
Not sure how the Packers are doing this with an entire offensive line of backups.

Yeah, as bad as their special teams coaching has been over the years, their offensive line coaching has been just the opposite.

Though the injuries have caught up to them come playoff time a time or two.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 19, 2021, 05:18:15 PM
Not sure how the Packers are doing this with an entire offensive line of backups.

The rookie RG is the only starter on the entire offense that hasn’t missed a game this year.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 05:19:22 PM
Yes. Lamar is injured often, plays a style that lends to injuries, and the guy is a poor man’s Lamar, so they don’t have to change the offense when Lamar is out.

There’s a reason he went undrafted. A team would be dumb to give up multiple picks for a guy based on a couple appearances.
I thought I heard Buck say this is the first game Jackson has missed in his career
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 19, 2021, 05:21:26 PM
I thought I heard Buck say this is the first game Jackson has missed in his career

Yeah I guess I’m just wrong on that. Looks like he started 15 games each of the last 2 years and then must’ve taken over the starting spot mid season his rookie year. I don’t know why I thought he had a history of injuries.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 05:21:45 PM
Missing Kenny Clark on this drive
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 19, 2021, 05:23:36 PM
Missing Kenny Clark on this drive

They have the refs on their side to make up for it
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 05:24:48 PM
They have the refs on their side to make up for it
Home cooking
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 19, 2021, 05:25:41 PM
Missing Kenny Clark on this drive

I was yelling at the TV for Slaton to replace Lancaster who got buried 4 plays in a row at NT.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on December 19, 2021, 05:26:37 PM
Yeah I guess I’m just wrong on that. Looks like he started 15 games each of the last 2 years and then must’ve taken over the starting spot mid season his rookie year. I don’t know why I thought he had a history of injuries.

You're not wrong, he has nagging injuries. Nothing keeps him out, but not 100%. You're going to have that with mobile QBs though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 05:27:20 PM
There is no downside to firing the ST coach mid-game
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 19, 2021, 05:28:07 PM
For someone of Jackson's build and play style, his durability thus far has been impressive.

Also, please join me for the Packers ST drinking game
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 19, 2021, 05:28:14 PM
I hold my breath on every special teams play. And usually see a mistake I’ve never seen before.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 19, 2021, 05:28:22 PM
What a clown show. Need to fire the ST coach before the Playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 19, 2021, 05:28:41 PM
Packers' special teams look more like water ballet athletes than football playas, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 19, 2021, 05:54:13 PM
I hated the Rashan Gary draft pick, but wow, he is really good.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 05:57:52 PM
I know the position isn't that highly valued currently, but I don't remember when GB last had this many good LBs
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 06:02:00 PM
So at least Crosby seems to have gotten over his slump
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 19, 2021, 06:17:03 PM
Delay of Game……on a punt.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 06:17:06 PM
Special teams are AWESOME
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 19, 2021, 06:17:44 PM
Clown show.

Times 2.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 19, 2021, 06:18:23 PM
This has been a really bad effort by the Packers defense today.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 19, 2021, 06:19:06 PM
Harbaugh will go for 2 to win.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 06:19:38 PM
Expecting a pick by Douglas
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 19, 2021, 06:19:55 PM
This has been a really bad effort by the Packers defense today.

Their 3 all-pros are out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 19, 2021, 06:21:34 PM
Their 3 all-pros are out.

They can’t figure out how to contain or press against Brown on his 8 yard curls?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 06:23:18 PM
Packers may want to cover that dude
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 06:24:16 PM
They can’t figure out how to contain or press against Brown on his 8 yard curls?
Yeah, I would have expected some adjustment to press coverage
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 19, 2021, 06:24:55 PM
I’m sure those two timeouts Rodgers needlessly wasted won’t come back to haunt him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 06:27:29 PM
I’m sure those two timeouts Rodgers needlessly wasted won’t come back to haunt him.
That, and being way overconfident on their last drive
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 19, 2021, 06:27:51 PM
Only an onside kick stands between the Packers and victory
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 19, 2021, 06:28:31 PM
Might as well go for 2. There’s a 95% chance they’ll get the onside kick if they don’t convert.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 06:29:03 PM
Hey, they covered that dude
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 19, 2021, 06:29:32 PM
I’m sure those two timeouts Rodgers needlessly wasted won’t come back to haunt him.

They won’t.

He’s been doing that every game for years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 06:29:55 PM
ST for the win!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 19, 2021, 06:31:11 PM
Great call by Joe Barry Carroll.

Savage burned by Andrews. Kevin king burned by Andrews.

Game on the line-he puts Stokes on him.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 19, 2021, 06:31:36 PM
Dumb decision to go for 2. Over 40 seconds left, force GB to make a special teams play, they only have one timeout. Going for 2 was a losing proposition there either way.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 19, 2021, 06:31:59 PM
Going to LMAO when the Cowboys win at Lambeau in January
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 19, 2021, 06:32:07 PM
Terrible playcall on the 2 point conversion. Make the defense contain Huntley. Rolling him out was one way to guarantee that happened.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 19, 2021, 06:33:14 PM
Going to LMAO when the Cowboys win at Lambeau in January

I would LMAO too. Cowboys have had more
success against GB than GB has had in the NFC Title game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 06:33:24 PM
Great call by Joe Barry Carroll.

Savage burned by Andrews. Kevin king burned by Andrews.

Game on the line-he puts Stokes on him.
Agreed. But Ravens made a mistake by splitting him wide. If he stayed inside Stokes would not have been on him
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 19, 2021, 06:34:12 PM
Dumb decision to go for 2. Over 40 seconds left, force GB to make a special teams play, they only have one timeout. Going for 2 was a losing proposition there either way.

Second time he has ignored OT to go for the Win. Could cost them the Playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 19, 2021, 06:34:59 PM
No idea why Harbaugh didn’t go for 2 when they cut it from 14 to 8. That’s the time to do it, Harbaugh backed himself into no man’s land at 42 seconds.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 19, 2021, 06:35:56 PM
Hard to win on the road. Ask Minnesota and Arizona.

I’ll gladly take this one.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 06:39:14 PM
Going to LMAO when the Cowboys win at Lambeau in January
McCarthy win a playoff game in Lambeau? That would break tradition.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lostpassword on December 19, 2021, 06:41:28 PM
No idea why Harbaugh didn’t go for 2 when they cut it from 14 to 8. That’s the time to do it, Harbaugh backed himself into no man’s land at 42 seconds.

Agree with this.  If you don't get it there you have a second attempt at 2 to still tie it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 06:45:37 PM
There’s a reason he went undrafted. A team would be dumb to give up multiple picks for a guy based on a couple appearances.
He was undrafted and the Packers moved up to draft Love? Huh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on December 19, 2021, 08:22:12 PM
Mediocre Mike winning a critical playoff game on the road - yeah that’s laughable.

Going to LMAO when the Cowboys win at Lambeau in January
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on December 19, 2021, 09:53:12 PM
I hate to say this as a Bears fan but Green Bay is a lock for the SB unless they have a Covid outbreak.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 19, 2021, 10:03:18 PM
Apparently you have not watched GB playoff football for the last 10 years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 19, 2021, 10:13:21 PM
The Bucs for their Heinies whooped by The Saints

Packers in very good position to get home field in all playoff games
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on December 19, 2021, 10:16:21 PM
Apparently you have not watched GB playoff football for the last 10 years.

I'll bet $5 they'll walk to the SB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 19, 2021, 10:27:26 PM
Credit to Dennis Allen for an incredible game plan tonight, but my god was Brady bad tonight
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on December 19, 2021, 11:23:10 PM
Credit to Dennis Allen for an incredible game plan tonight, but my god was Brady bad tonight

He was bad before all the injuries but I thought it was pretty obvious he was largely being propped up the past two years by the best set of skill players in the NFL.

I don’t fear Brady but I’m still worried they’re going to win the SB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 20, 2021, 06:58:15 AM
Apparently you have not watched GB playoff football for the last 10 years.

Or their defense the last couple of weeks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2021, 07:05:49 AM
The only two teams I don't want in the Super Bowl are Tampa and New England, so it was a good weekend.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 20, 2021, 07:14:32 AM
The only two teams I don't want in the Super Bowl are Tampa and New England, so it was a good weekend.

That’s the Super Bowl I want
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2021, 07:42:50 AM
That’s the Super Bowl I want

Really? You never get tired of Brady and Belichick?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 20, 2021, 07:49:37 AM
Really? You never get tired of Brady and Belichick?

I’m partially a masochist and the hand-wringing about the matchup would be fascinating to watch.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2021, 08:51:00 AM
I’m partially a masochist and the hand-wringing about the matchup would be fascinating to watch.

Well, the latter half of that is true. The first half ... which part?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 20, 2021, 08:56:23 AM
Well, the latter half of that is true. The first half ... which part?

A lot of folks hate both and you’ll hear a lot of talk about not watching.  They’ll be some conspiratorial talk as well. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2021, 01:25:25 PM
A lot of folks hate both and you’ll hear a lot of talk about not watching.  They’ll be some conspiratorial talk as well.

I don't believe a Pats-Bucs matchup would be wanting for viewers at all.

But sure, there'll be plenty of dopes saying it's a conspiracy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 20, 2021, 02:35:09 PM
Bucs WR Godwin out for the year with a torn ACL
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 20, 2021, 03:27:33 PM
Bucs WR Godwin out for the year with a torn ACL
AB back in the Nick of time for the Bucs

Sorry to see Godwin go down. He is a very hard working no drama player
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 20, 2021, 06:42:33 PM
AB back in the Nick of time for the Bucs

Sorry to see Godwin go down. He is a very hard working no drama player

Good thing Bruce Arians is such a no nonsense coach. Special exemptions for felonies, I guess.

Feel awful for Godwin - he more than earned his paycheck this offseason, and now it may be gone
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 20, 2021, 07:18:41 PM
A lot of folks hate both and you’ll hear a lot of talk about not watching.  They’ll be some conspiratorial talk as well.

But they will watch. I never understood hate watching, but to each their own.

If GB makes it the number of hate watchers and people who will claim to be huge fans ("I've always loved Aaron Rogers) but couldn't find GB on the map will be enormous.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 20, 2021, 07:37:19 PM
But they will watch. I never understood hate watching, but to each their own.

If GB makes it the number of hate watchers and people who will claim to be huge fans ("I've always loved Aaron Rogers) but couldn't find GB on the map will be enormous.

Yup.  It’s the old Howard Stern conundrum.  Big fanbase and listeners who listened that hated him because they wanted to hear what he’d say so they could complain
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 20, 2021, 07:49:31 PM
Today I learned that Rodgers has to begin Covid testing 90 days after his last positive, which will land right after the NFC Championship. I have decided that this is the funniest possible ending.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 20, 2021, 09:13:07 PM
Nagy run drills practicing personal fouls?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on December 20, 2021, 09:15:43 PM
Today I learned that Rodgers has to begin Covid testing 90 days after his last positive, which will land right after the NFC Championship. I have decided that this is the funniest possible ending.

He won’t do it, but he’d be smart to get vaccinated immediately if they win that game.

Edit: Although now that I think about it he probably has to get both doses to be subject to the new protocols.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 20, 2021, 09:16:45 PM
Man the bears are a stupid football team.

And Fields is god awful.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 20, 2021, 09:17:03 PM
Nagy run drills practicing personal fouls?

Tabor penalty was an awful call, but yea this Bears team has been so damn undisciplined all season starting with Mario Edwards early, and that falls on Nagy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2021, 09:21:50 PM
So, what some folks are saying is that Nagy’s not a real strong coach, right?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on December 20, 2021, 09:22:01 PM
Nagy throws the challenge flag.  Fan yells "after further review, we suck!"

Go Bears.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 20, 2021, 09:23:26 PM
Zimmer cannot continue to be an NFL coach.

The bears are throwing 4 random scoopers out in their secondary. The Vikings have the best receiver in the NFL with man coverage.

They do not change they strategy any game for any team. They will run 100% of the time on second down. 90% on 1st.

100% on 1st and 2nd and goal.

They will not change it even if a cornerback is in a legit wheelchair.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 20, 2021, 09:24:39 PM
This game will not show up on Justin Fields Hall of Fame reel.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 20, 2021, 09:32:24 PM
This game will not show up on Justin Fields Hall of Fame reel.

Justin’s gonna have a HoF reel?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 20, 2021, 09:34:47 PM
These refs have made questionable calls all game


But swallow the whistle everytime Jefferson gets blatantly mugged
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 20, 2021, 09:39:47 PM
This Byrd on Byrd violence has to end.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 20, 2021, 09:40:42 PM
Justin’s gonna have a HoF reel?

Did I really need to use teal here? C’mon man.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 20, 2021, 09:51:24 PM
That personal foul call on Lynch is why the nfl sucks.

How is he supposed to see Fields half way kneel
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 20, 2021, 09:51:56 PM
Did I really need to use teal here? C’mon man.

Mine should have been teal as well. Yes, I knew what you were saying.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on December 20, 2021, 09:59:46 PM
Excuse my ignorance but had the Bears fired Nagy (And Pace) weeks ago, could they not be interviewing replacements immediately?  Why exactly is Nagy still on the sidelines?  Am I missing something?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 20, 2021, 10:00:56 PM
Mine should have been teal as well. Yes, I knew what you were saying.

All good. This game is gross as hell.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2021, 10:01:13 PM
Excuse my ignorance but had the Bears fired Nagy (And Pace) weeks ago, could they not be interviewing replacements immediately?  Why exactly is Nagy still on the sidelines?  Am I missing something?

They didn't like that it was leaked.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on December 20, 2021, 10:03:56 PM
Bears defense playing very well considering which players on the field
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on December 20, 2021, 10:10:22 PM
They didn't like that it was leaked.

Seems ridiculous to me.  Both Nagy and Pace have proven they are inept. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on December 20, 2021, 10:22:21 PM
Bears -0.5 4Q for the win!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 20, 2021, 10:27:11 PM
All good. This game is gross as hell.

Yup.

I think all young QBs have a problem reading when guys are open in the NFL. It’s worse for QBs from Alabama or OSU because they they are used to guys being so wide open. They aren’t used to the tight windows in the NFL where even the bad DBs are better than what they faced in college.

I don’t know if Fields can overcome this. Also needs to improve his accuracy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 20, 2021, 11:08:45 PM
Seems ridiculous to me.  Both Nagy and Pace have proven they are inept.

Of course it’s ridiculous. It’s the Bears.

You’ve been a fan for years, right?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 20, 2021, 11:45:36 PM
Excuse my ignorance but had the Bears fired Nagy (And Pace) weeks ago, could they not be interviewing replacements immediately?  Why exactly is Nagy still on the sidelines?  Am I missing something?

Not until the final two weeks of the season (new rule this year).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on December 20, 2021, 11:53:03 PM
Not until the final two weeks of the season (new rule this year).

I assume though that they'll keep these nimrods until the end of the year now.  Could they conceivably can them next week and then interview a few candidates immediately?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on December 20, 2021, 11:56:48 PM
Of course it’s ridiculous. It’s the Bears.

You’ve been a fan for years, right?

Yes.  They make disasters look like minor issues.  The level of incompetence in that organization is impossible to quantify.  I said they were a 5 win team before the year started and may be right on target.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 21, 2021, 08:35:32 AM
I think all young QBs have a problem reading when guys are open in the NFL. It’s worse for QBs from Alabama or OSU because they they are used to guys being so wide open. They aren’t used to the tight windows in the NFL where even the bad DBs are better than what they faced in college.


The last three Alabama starting quarterbacks (Hurts, Tua and Jones) are all NFL starters.  I don't think any of them are worse off because they went to Alabama.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 21, 2021, 08:38:55 AM
I assume though that they'll keep these nimrods until the end of the year now.  Could they conceivably can them next week and then interview a few candidates immediately?


Nagy is obviously gone.

The real question is if Pace will be gone too.  Because as much as I think Nagy hasn't been good, he doesn't have a lot of talent to work with.  But I am not sure Pace will be on his way out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 21, 2021, 08:45:48 AM
"If he screws up one time, he's done."

-- Bruce Arians, when TB signed Antonio Brown in 2020.

"I could give a sh!t what they think. Only thing I care about is this football team and what's best for us."

-- Bruce Arians, asked Monday about going back on his word.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 21, 2021, 09:39:43 AM

The last three Alabama starting quarterbacks (Hurts, Tua and Jones) are all NFL starters.  I don't think any of them are worse off because they went to Alabama.

Hurts was benched then changed his game after going to Oklahoma. The jury is out on Tua being a long term NFL starter. Jones is a stud.

Bama plays more of a pro style offense, so I don’t think the comparison to OSU is the best one.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 21, 2021, 10:18:31 AM
I am not sure Jones is a "stud."  Regardless, Alabama's alumni in the NFL are performing like most young quarterbacks do.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 21, 2021, 12:20:45 PM
I am not sure Jones is a "stud."  Regardless, Alabama's alumni in the NFL are performing like most young quarterbacks do.

Yeah, Tua and Mac Jones rank 1st and 3rd, respectively, in completion percentage this year among qualified QBs.
And their air yards per completion is about the same as Dak and Brady, and better than Rodgers and Mahomes, so the accuracy isn't simply a matter of a short passing scheme.
I can't predict either guys' NFL future, but they clearly aren't struggling to complete passes against tighter NFL coverages.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 21, 2021, 01:49:35 PM
Yeah, Tua and Mac Jones rank 1st and 3rd, respectively, in completion percentage this year among qualified QBs.
And their air yards per completion is about the same as Dak and Brady, and better than Rodgers and Mahomes, so the accuracy isn't simply a matter of a short passing scheme.
I can't predict either guys' NFL future, but they clearly aren't struggling to complete passes against tighter NFL coverages.

the biggest knock against Tua is durability. If he can stay healthy he could be a franchise QB, but he hasn't shown the ability to do that yet in both college and the pros.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: reinko on December 21, 2021, 02:37:13 PM
the biggest knock against Tua is durability. If he can stay healthy he could be a franchise QB, but he hasn't shown the ability to do that yet in both college and the pros.

I thought it was the fact he needs to take 3 crow ups to throw the ball further than 25 yards
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 21, 2021, 02:52:00 PM

The last three Alabama starting quarterbacks (Hurts, Tua and Jones) are all NFL starters.  I don't think any of them are worse off because they went to Alabama.

I agree with what you say. My point, though, was that when the guys from schools that have AA receivers every year get to the NFL, the completion window is an issue for them. They are used to throwing the ball to wide open guys - something they don't see nearly as often in the NFL. It's the old axiom about Rodgers - he throws guys open. To take it further, in the NFL, they need to be able to read the defense and make quick looks to a 2nd or 3rd guy.

That was something Trubisky never learned (or perhaps Nagy couldn't teach). So, I certainly think these guys can be good, but it is an added dimension for them in the NFL. Every Alabama or OSU QB that gets to the pros was already a top prospect, so the talent is there.

It's the mental part that gets them. Rodgers is the best because besides talent, he has the mental game as well. He knows where the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers are. And if they aren't? We've all seen him go off at guys during the game.

Agee? Disagree?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 21, 2021, 02:59:21 PM
From ESPN

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32822007/inside-dysfunctional-decade-new-york-jets-giants-football-went-wrong-next

One of the headlines underneath:
Cycles of Dysfunction


I can already imagine the email Wags is sending to ESPN over this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 21, 2021, 03:00:02 PM
I agree with what you say. My point, though, was that when the guys from schools that have AA receivers every year get to the NFL, the completion window is an issue for them. They are used to throwing the ball to wide open guys - something they don't see nearly as often in the NFL. It's the old axiom about Rodgers - he throws guys open. To take it further, in the NFL, they need to be able to read the defense and make quick looks to a 2nd or 3rd guy.

That was something Trubisky never learned (or perhaps Nagy couldn't teach). So, I certainly think these guys can be good, but it is an added dimension for them in the NFL. Every Alabama or OSU QB that gets to the pros was already a top prospect, so the talent is there.

It's the mental part that gets them. Rodgers is the best because besides talent, he has the mental game as well. He knows where the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers are. And if they aren't? We've all seen him go off at guys during the game.

Agee? Disagree?



I have no evidence to suggest that the bolded has been a problem with quarterbacks from schools with top receivers versus those from schools with average receivers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on December 21, 2021, 03:04:05 PM
I agree with what you say. My point, though, was that when the guys from schools that have AA receivers every year get to the NFL, the completion window is an issue for them. They are used to throwing the ball to wide open guys - something they don't see nearly as often in the NFL. It's the old axiom about Rodgers - he throws guys open. To take it further, in the NFL, they need to be able to read the defense and make quick looks to a 2nd or 3rd guy.

That was something Trubisky never learned (or perhaps Nagy couldn't teach). So, I certainly think these guys can be good, but it is an added dimension for them in the NFL. Every Alabama or OSU QB that gets to the pros was already a top prospect, so the talent is there.

It's the mental part that gets them. Rodgers is the best because besides talent, he has the mental game as well. He knows where the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers are. And if they aren't? We've all seen him go off at guys during the game.

Agee? Disagree?

Wasn't the criticism on Mahomes that the TT system would hamstring his performance in the NFL? I... uh... don't think that happened.

To be honest, I think you're trying to brute force a correlation into a causation here. Some quarterbacks from elite programs in college struggle in the NFL. Some quarterbacks from small programs in college excel in the NFL. This entire line of argument strikes me as the search for some kind of grand truth that probably doesn't exist. The probable reality is that NFL QB success is complicated, involves a ton of variables, and is really hard to get right. If it weren't there wouldn't be so many busts and the stakes associated with making the decisions on QB wouldn't be franchise-defining.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 21, 2021, 03:08:41 PM
Wasn't the criticism on Mahomes that the TT system would hamstring his performance in the NFL? I... uh... don't think that happened.

To be honest, I think you're trying to brute force a correlation into a causation here. Some quarterbacks from elite programs in college struggle in the NFL. Some quarterbacks from small programs in college excel in the NFL. This entire line of argument strikes me as the search for some kind of grand truth that probably doesn't exist. The probable reality is that NFL QB success is complicated, involves a ton of variables, and is really hard to get right. If it weren't there wouldn't be so many busts and the stakes associated with making the decisions on QB wouldn't be franchise-defining.

aka, Don't helmet scout.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 21, 2021, 03:16:47 PM
aka, Don't helmet scout.


Bingo.

Despite my criticisms of QBs from Alabama or OSU and issues they face on the learning curve, I was the one who took flak for saying that, to me, Mac Jones was the obvious choice for the 2nd QB to be drafted.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 21, 2021, 03:20:05 PM
Wasn't the criticism on Mahomes that the TT system would hamstring his performance in the NFL? I... uh... don't think that happened.

To be honest, I think you're trying to brute force a correlation into a causation here. Some quarterbacks from elite programs in college struggle in the NFL. Some quarterbacks from small programs in college excel in the NFL. This entire line of argument strikes me as the search for some kind of grand truth that probably doesn't exist. The probable reality is that NFL QB success is complicated, involves a ton of variables, and is really hard to get right. If it weren't there wouldn't be so many busts and the stakes associated with making the decisions on QB wouldn't be franchise-defining.

You are absolutely right. There is no grand truth. But there are factors that lead to a better truth and I just pointed out one of them. I guess my question should have been whether it is a major or a minor factor.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 21, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
Speaking of QB classes, this upcoming draft doesn’t have any surefire stars.  Wonder how many go in the first round and wonder how many play a decade
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 21, 2021, 04:58:31 PM
Speaking of QB classes, this upcoming draft doesn’t have any surefire stars.  Wonder how many go in the first round and wonder how many play a decade

I think we may see a bunch (4-5) still go in the first, but none in the top 10. There are some mid-table teams that need a QB of the future (Steelers, Broncos, WFT), and we could see some of the bad teams, like the Texans, trade back into the end of the first to get a QB and that 5th year option.
But boy, are you right. No great options for QB-needy teams this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 21, 2021, 05:18:40 PM
I think we may see a bunch (4-5) still go in the first, but none in the top 10. There are some mid-table teams that need a QB of the future (Steelers, Broncos, WFT), and we could see some of the bad teams, like the Texans, trade back into the end of the first to get a QB and that 5th year option.
But boy, are you right. No great options for QB-needy teams this year.

I like watching Matt Corral but he looks like a guy that has week 3 IR written all over him the way plays.

I’m more bullish on Kenny Pickett than earlier in the year but he feels like a Ryan Tannehill ceiling-type.

The rest are projects imo
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 21, 2021, 06:00:32 PM
Panthers are supposedly high on Pickett.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 21, 2021, 06:40:53 PM
I agree with what you say. My point, though, was that when the guys from schools that have AA receivers every year get to the NFL, the completion window is an issue for them. They are used to throwing the ball to wide open guys - something they don't see nearly as often in the NFL. It's the old axiom about Rodgers - he throws guys open. To take it further, in the NFL, they need to be able to read the defense and make quick looks to a 2nd or 3rd guy.

That was something Trubisky never learned (or perhaps Nagy couldn't teach). So, I certainly think these guys can be good, but it is an added dimension for them in the NFL. Every Alabama or OSU QB that gets to the pros was already a top prospect, so the talent is there.

It's the mental part that gets them. Rodgers is the best because besides talent, he has the mental game as well. He knows where the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers are. And if they aren't? We've all seen him go off at guys during the game.

Agee? Disagree?
I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 21, 2021, 07:10:27 PM
I must have missed it. When did offense die in the NFL?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 21, 2021, 07:29:03 PM
Seahawks/Rams is putting me to sleep. Luckily WFT/Philly has been somewhat interesting.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 21, 2021, 07:29:53 PM
I must have missed it. When did offense die in the NFL?

I was told decent QBs were not that hard to find
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on December 21, 2021, 07:42:30 PM
https://twitter.com/Ihartitz/status/1473378589794000908?t=Jj8AJgfnz0qMzMD28w0DjQ&s=19
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2021, 08:34:23 AM
This is the perfect season to have a non-QB win MVP.

Two really good candidates: Cooper Kupp, who with 3 games still to play could put up numbers rivaling the all-time great WRs; and Jonathan Taylor, who has 400+ more yards than the No. 2 rusher and who literally has carried a mediocre team into contention.

Or maybe even a defensive player like Trevon Diggs? I haven't seen Dallas play enough to know if he's been a great all-around DB, but those INTs do leap off the stat sheet.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 22, 2021, 09:09:14 AM
This is the perfect season to have a non-QB win MVP.

Two really good candidates: Cooper Kupp, who with 3 games still to play could put up numbers rivaling the all-time great WRs; and Jonathan Taylor, who has 400+ more yards than the No. 2 rusher and who literally has carried a mediocre team into contention.

Or maybe even a defensive player like Trevon Diggs? I haven't seen Dallas play enough to know if he's been a great all-around DB, but those INTs do leap off the stat sheet.

If you're going to give it to a defensive player, Micah Parsons deserves consideration at the top of the list. He's going to win Defensive ROY,  is probably the favorite to win DPOY. He's transformed that entire unit.

I think it's Brady, Rodgers and Taylor in no particular order. In the spirit of the award, Colts would not be near contention without him. But we also got a glimpse of the Packers without Rodgers, who had subsequently gone on a massive tear.

Brady and Rodgers have both had one-game clunkers- the difference is Rodgers came week 1 and not in the home stretch with a 1 seed in the balance.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 22, 2021, 09:23:16 AM
This is the perfect season to have a non-QB win MVP.

Two really good candidates: Cooper Kupp, who with 3 games still to play could put up numbers rivaling the all-time great WRs; and Jonathan Taylor, who has 400+ more yards than the No. 2 rusher and who literally has carried a mediocre team into contention.

Or maybe even a defensive player like Trevon Diggs? I haven't seen Dallas play enough to know if he's been a great all-around DB, but those INTs do leap off the stat sheet.

How much credence are we giving records with an extra game this year?

Diggs is a weird case. As you said, his INT stats pop. But he's also given up a ton of yards and big plays (he's allowed 51 catches for 899 yards, or 17.6 ypc ... yikes).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2021, 09:35:13 AM
How much credence are we giving records with an extra game this year?

Diggs is a weird case. As you said, his INT stats pop. But he's also given up a ton of yards and big plays (he's allowed 51 catches for 899 yards, or 17.6 ypc ... yikes).

Over time, every sport makes its season longer; the NFL isn't done yet -- 18 games will happen eventually.

I'm not an asterisk guy, not in baseball, football, college hoops, any of 'em. The schedule length is the schedule length.

It's obviously OK to mention that "so-and-so did that in a 16-game season," but if a record is broken in Week 17 it's still a record and still deserves plaudits IMHO. Hardly anybody talks about things that happened in the old 14-game schedule any more, and 25 years from now, nobody will care if a record was set in a 17-game season vs. 16.

And anyway, Kupp's and Taylor's numbers will be MVP-consideration-worthy after 16 games.

Thanks for expanding on Diggs' stats. As I said, I really haven't seen the Cowboys much; they annihilated the Panthers early -- were the first to expose Darnold -- and Diggs was very good in that game. But yes, those numbers are not MVP-worthy.

If you're going to give it to a defensive player, Micah Parsons deserves consideration at the top of the list. He's going to win Defensive ROY,  is probably the favorite to win DPOY. He's transformed that entire unit.

I think it's Brady, Rodgers and Taylor in no particular order. In the spirit of the award, Colts would not be near contention without him. But we also got a glimpse of the Packers without Rodgers, who had subsequently gone on a massive tear.

Brady and Rodgers have both had one-game clunkers- the difference is Rodgers came week 1 and not in the home stretch with a 1 seed in the balance.

Good points about Parsons and Rodgers. Again, I haven't seen much except highlights on Parsons, but all the experts are raving about him. I'd also give the edge to Rodgers over Brady if it has to be a QB ... and it probably will be ... though I hope not!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 22, 2021, 10:42:04 AM
This is the perfect season to have a non-QB win MVP.

Two really good candidates: Cooper Kupp, who with 3 games still to play could put up numbers rivaling the all-time great WRs; and Jonathan Taylor, who has 400+ more yards than the No. 2 rusher and who literally has carried a mediocre team into contention.

Or maybe even a defensive player like Trevon Diggs? I haven't seen Dallas play enough to know if he's been a great all-around DB, but those INTs do leap off the stat sheet.

As mentioned a bit already

Diggs is overrated as all hell. Not actually a great corner
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on December 22, 2021, 11:01:58 AM
This is the perfect season to have a non-QB win MVP.

Two really good candidates: Cooper Kupp, who with 3 games still to play could put up numbers rivaling the all-time great WRs; and Jonathan Taylor, who has 400+ more yards than the No. 2 rusher and who literally has carried a mediocre team into contention.

Or maybe even a defensive player like Trevon Diggs? I haven't seen Dallas play enough to know if he's been a great all-around DB, but those INTs do leap off the stat sheet.

Personally I think it would be a disservice to the award to give it to a QB right now.

If the season ended today, Rodgers would have the highest QBR (67.3) and highest RTG (110.4). Brady would be 4th in QBR (64.1) and 8th in RTG (100.4). You could make a strong argument that Rodgers is the best QB then, but Rodgers's numbers would have ranked him tied for 7th (QBR) and 3rd (RTG) last year, so overall weak QB year.

Taylor will top Henry from last year in rushing TDs, and will likely top Henry from last year in total yards from scrimmage.

Kupp already would be the #1 receiver last year. Might break the all time record (likely will) for receiving yards, and may actually do it in 16 games.

I think that says Kupp is the MVP, strong argument for Taylor, but a weak argument for a QB.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 22, 2021, 11:04:25 AM
I wouldn’t argue with any of the MVP talk mentioned this morning. I just think the QB of the NFC 1 seed is going to win it, just because that’s the mentality of the voters.

The Kupp/Taylor OPOY race is more interesting to me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2021, 12:43:16 PM
Personally I think it would be a disservice to the award to give it to a QB right now.

If the season ended today, Rodgers would have the highest QBR (67.3) and highest RTG (110.4). Brady would be 4th in QBR (64.1) and 8th in RTG (100.4). You could make a strong argument that Rodgers is the best QB then, but Rodgers's numbers would have ranked him tied for 7th (QBR) and 3rd (RTG) last year, so overall weak QB year.

Taylor will top Henry from last year in rushing TDs, and will likely top Henry from last year in total yards from scrimmage.

Kupp already would be the #1 receiver last year. Might break the all time record (likely will) for receiving yards, and may actually do it in 16 games.

I think that says Kupp is the MVP, strong argument for Taylor, but a weak argument for a QB.

Agree about all of this ... but as Dish says, I'm not sure the voters will agree with us.

This is the perfect year for a non-QB MVP. It's been 9 years since Peterson won it, and he's the only non-QB to have won it in the last 15 years. We're due!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 22, 2021, 12:56:17 PM
I wouldn’t argue with any of the MVP talk mentioned this morning. I just think the QB of the NFC 1 seed is going to win it, just because that’s the mentality of the voters.

The Kupp/Taylor OPOY race is more interesting to me.

I think you are right. The QB from one of the top teams is always going to win it.

That is why we have the OPOY award - to recognize the top non-QB (only 8 QBs have won in the last 25 years).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 22, 2021, 01:17:20 PM
Hate to tell you this guys, but no WR is ever winning the MVP unless he has numbers that destroy any previous season on record.

Depending on how the playoffs shake out, the MVP is Rodgers' to lose.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 22, 2021, 01:29:55 PM
Hate to tell you this guys, but no WR is ever winning the MVP unless he has numbers that destroy any previous season on record.

Depending on how the playoffs shake out, the MVP is Rodgers' to lose.

It’s voted on before the playoffs right?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 22, 2021, 01:58:50 PM
It’s voted on before the playoffs right?

Aha, I did not know that, but looked into it, and you are correct.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 22, 2021, 02:31:17 PM
I honestly don't know who I'd vote for between Kupp and Taylor for OPOY. Both dudes have been awesome and clutch. I feel like I'd lean Taylor, but I love both their seasons. Really hard decision for me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 22, 2021, 03:36:43 PM
I honestly don't know who I'd vote for between Kupp and Taylor for OPOY. Both dudes have been awesome and clutch. I feel like I'd lean Taylor, but I love both their seasons. Really hard decision for me.

Do the Colts have the record they do without Taylor?  Doubt.

Do the Rams have the record they do without Kupp?  Less doubt.

IMO, between the two, it's Taylor.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 22, 2021, 03:39:08 PM
I honestly don't know who I'd vote for between Kupp and Taylor for OPOY. Both dudes have been awesome and clutch. I feel like I'd lean Taylor, but I love both their seasons. Really hard decision for me.

I would go for JT, but have no problem with anyone going for Kupp. Both are deserving.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 22, 2021, 04:33:52 PM
I would go for JT, but have no problem with anyone going for Kupp. Both are deserving.

I think it’s JT.  I know RBs are supposed to be a dime a dozen nowadays but he’s the best in the league and has a Henry-esque impact on his team
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 22, 2021, 05:50:35 PM
Kupp, through 14 games, has basically had the season that Davante had last year (also 14 games, due to injury).

What differentiates Kupp from that? Is it that he overcame Matt Stafford (teal...I think)?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 22, 2021, 08:14:43 PM
It is interesting that both of the top MVP candidates , Rodgers and Brady, have had abysmal games against the Saints . Yet they have done well against the rest of the teams they have played .

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 22, 2021, 09:43:54 PM
It is interesting that both of the top MVP candidates , Rodgers and Brady, have had abysmal games against the Saints . Yet they have done well against the rest of the teams they have played .

Yeah, one of the few QBs to do well against the Saints this season was -- wait for it -- Sam Effen Darnold!

Interesting ... or crazy?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 23, 2021, 08:52:35 AM
Given how banged up the Bucs are and that they're on the road, it's hard to believe they are 10.5-point favorites over the Panthers.

But then there's this -- the Panthers are 5-9, and they haven't covered once in any of their 9 losses.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 23, 2021, 02:16:20 PM
Prayers up for ESPN 1000 Bears beat reporter Jeff Dickerson, who is battling colon cancer (that has spread to his liver too). Jeff lost his wife to cancer (she was in her late 30’s) a couple years ago, and Jeff is only 44 himself. He’s got a 9 year old son, and I just can’t fathom what Jeff and his son are going through.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 23, 2021, 02:51:58 PM
It’s amazing how unfair life can be for some. He will be in my thoughts.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 23, 2021, 06:00:02 PM
Prayers up for ESPN 1000 Bears beat reporter Jeff Dickerson, who is battling colon cancer (that has spread to his liver too). Jeff lost his wife to cancer (she was in her late 30’s) a couple years ago, and Jeff is only 44 himself. He’s got a 9 year old son, and I just can’t fathom what Jeff and his son are going through.

Damn, that's rough. Jeff is good people.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on December 23, 2021, 08:33:37 PM
Prayers up for ESPN 1000 Bears beat reporter Jeff Dickerson, who is battling colon cancer (that has spread to his liver too). Jeff lost his wife to cancer (she was in her late 30’s) a couple years ago, and Jeff is only 44 himself. He’s got a 9 year old son, and I just can’t fathom what Jeff and his son are going through.

Unfathomable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 23, 2021, 09:40:32 PM
This Niners/Titans game has baffled all my football sensibilities.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 23, 2021, 09:47:53 PM
This Niners/Titans game has baffled all my football sensibilities.

The Titans play calling is mind boggling.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 23, 2021, 10:14:19 PM
After watching that first quarter, I’m borderline stunned by the outcome of this game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on December 24, 2021, 12:44:22 AM
After watching that first quarter, I’m borderline stunned by the outcome of this game.

I thought Tennessee would win pregame. Had them +3.5. Then watched the first half and didn’t think there was any way they’d pull it out. Weird game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 24, 2021, 09:17:53 PM
Prayers up for ESPN 1000 Bears beat reporter Jeff Dickerson, who is battling colon cancer (that has spread to his liver too). Jeff lost his wife to cancer (she was in her late 30’s) a couple years ago, and Jeff is only 44 himself. He’s got a 9 year old son, and I just can’t fathom what Jeff and his son are going through.

Prayers up, Silent Heroes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 25, 2021, 09:37:30 AM
From The Athletic:

After tumultuous offseason, Packers GM Brian Gutekunst has shown why he’s one of NFL’s best executives

https://theathletic.com/3032169/2021/12/23/after-tumultuous-offseason-packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-has-shown-why-hes-one-of-nfls-best-executives/?source=weeklyemail&campaign=602288

Few people around the NFL took more heat this offseason than Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst. Because his three-time MVP quarterback didn’t want to play for the organization anymore.

We’ll save the discussion for who was most to blame for temporarily driving Aaron Rodgers away for another time. For now, let’s discuss why Rodgers and Gutekunst have arrived at a point where the quarterback, deliberate in every move he makes, heartily embraced the GM before a recent practice.

In short, it’s because Gutekunst is damn good at his job.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 25, 2021, 04:06:59 PM
Packers need to do what it takes to keep Rodgers.

Not sure what info MLF got on that challenge.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 25, 2021, 04:54:50 PM
At least Baker Mayfield makes good commercials.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 25, 2021, 05:16:36 PM
Rodgers: I waste timeouts
LaFleur: hold my beer
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 25, 2021, 06:03:43 PM
Really pathetic defensive plan tonite.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 25, 2021, 06:07:57 PM
Really pathetic defensive plan tonite.

Been bad since the bye.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 25, 2021, 06:08:55 PM
It would be a Cleveland blowout if not for Baker being so bad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on December 25, 2021, 06:10:04 PM
Absolute trash on defense.  3 and out by lafleurs runs don’t help either
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 25, 2021, 06:11:27 PM
The defense looks primed for another for another playoff blowout.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 25, 2021, 06:16:33 PM
Why did the Packers stop playing offense after the first drive of the second half? After being an absolute machine?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 25, 2021, 06:24:19 PM
Luck and bad officiating won this one.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 25, 2021, 06:24:35 PM
Baker Mayfield is why the packers need to keep Rodgers. They aren’t going to find someone better than him and Baker sucks.

Also hilarious that the Browns stopped running the ball. Packers could’ve put 11 in the box and still not stop Chubb.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 25, 2021, 06:25:09 PM
The Packers playcalling in the 4th quarter kept Cleveland in it, and then Cleveland’s playcalling with a minute left was atrocious.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 25, 2021, 06:40:12 PM
Browns should fire anyone involved in the decisions to not keep running.

They had an absolute freebie of a win if they just ran the ball over and over
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 25, 2021, 06:48:04 PM
A lotta bad coaching on both sides, and a truly atrocious non-call right on the middle of the field in full view of the refs.

Rasul Douglas was really good for the Panthers most of last season, though he faded at the end along with the rest of the team. I liked him and wanted them to keep him. Glad he’s doing well for GB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on December 25, 2021, 07:02:09 PM
A flaming turd of a win.  Red flags on run defense and playcalling taking foot off the gas pedal
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 25, 2021, 07:11:27 PM
The Browns' OL (even sans Tretter) and running game is phenomenal, but that was absurd. No reason you would not just dare Baker to win it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 25, 2021, 07:31:06 PM
After that measurement with a minute left, there was a reasonable delay to figure out if they were going to measure or not. Chubb picked up the first down, and immediately put a jacket on. After the first down is confirmed, Chubb looks like he wants to come back in. At least three/four real minutes elapse, Chubb should be more than fine.

He doesn’t come in, makes absolutely no sense. No offense to Johnson, but c’mon, how do you not have him in there? Even if you’re going to go play action.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: reinko on December 25, 2021, 07:54:02 PM
Still kinda shocked how I won my parlay of Browns +8 and the under of 46
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 25, 2021, 10:03:59 PM
Assuming the Colts hang on, the Cardinals under Kingsbury will fall to 5-10 in Dec/Jan games since he took over. Only one of the five wins is over a team with a winning record at the time.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 25, 2021, 10:29:31 PM
Packers won and life is good .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 26, 2021, 10:11:30 AM
Could Douglas have been called for holding?  Sure.

Did the refs let that contact go most of the game?  Yes.

Could the Cleveland WR have been called OPI?  Probably.

Could it have been offsetting penalties?  Perhaps.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 26, 2021, 11:07:37 AM
Hard Knocks - the in-season version - has been outstanding.

I quit watching Hard Knocks many years ago. It had simply become a PR piece with made up storylines and no real value. But this version is way better as it is during about the season rather than feel good stories about rookies who aren't gonna make the team anyway.

It gives a good look into the mindset of players and coaches as the schedule unfolds.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 26, 2021, 01:32:29 PM
I wonder if Matt Rhule survives this trainwreck of a Panthers season. There's no salary cap for coaches, and Tepper is a famously impatient guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 26, 2021, 01:37:01 PM
Mac Jones OROY…I’m not feeling it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 26, 2021, 02:37:48 PM
Mac Jones OROY…I’m not feeling it.

That's why its funny that just 10 days ago, people were talking about NE getting back to the SB. That doesn't happen with a rookie QB.

I have been high on Jones as 2nd best QB in the draft, but he is still a rookie and it shows a lot of the time.

I really like Cincy's chances next year now that Burrows has had a couple years of experience.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 26, 2021, 04:06:33 PM
The Bucs played a smart game while missing several key players. AB came back in the nick of time
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on December 26, 2021, 06:44:20 PM
Will Jim Caldwell make history and become the first former Lion's coach to land another NFL head coaching gig?    I hope so.   He is a good man and a good coach done dirty by Bob Quinn.

Rumor is he is interviewing with Jacksonville.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on December 26, 2021, 08:32:10 PM
Cowboys defense looking pretty good.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 26, 2021, 09:54:56 PM
Will Jim Caldwell make history and become the first former Lion's coach to land another NFL head coaching gig?    I hope so.   He is a good man and a good coach done dirty by Bob Quinn.

Rumor is he is interviewing with Jacksonville.

Mediocrity, under achievement, and lates season collapses personified. If that what the Jags want go for it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 27, 2021, 10:22:28 AM
Mediocrity, under achievement, and lates season collapses personified. If that what the Jags want go for it.

I don't think Caldwell is the right choice for a variety of reasons, but the Jags have shown they can do worse.

They need someone more unassuming (unlike Meyer) and with respectful structure and discipline (unlike Coughlin). And they need someone that can develop work with a young, but skilled QB. Caldwell checks those boxes.

If we're being honest, I think Mike McCarthy would have been great there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 27, 2021, 10:32:50 AM
Yeah Caldwell had one terrible year with the Colts, when Manning was out with a neck injury. But he is the only Lions coach in 50 years to have a winning record and made the playoffs in two of his four seasons there.

He wouldn’t be around for a championship, but he understands how to build a program to respectability. I kind of think he is a Rivera like guy in that way.

He wouldn’t be an awful choice. They could, and have done a lot worse.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 27, 2021, 10:53:33 AM
Cam Newton after yesterday's game, almost surely his last in Charlotte:

“Football has been good to me. I was able to walk away unscathed. I don’t want to sound like I’m retiring, but I’ve had some great memories.”

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 27, 2021, 09:09:48 PM
At ND, Ian Book was a quick QB who could extend plays and beat defenses with his feet. He's discovering tonight that NFL linebackers and even linemen are a lot faster than the guys he played against in college -- and faster than he is, too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 27, 2021, 09:51:27 PM
This is tough to watch.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 27, 2021, 09:57:04 PM
This is tough to watch.

Payton needs to just white flag and run with his backup RBs and punt. Don’t get Book or Kamara murdered out there
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on December 28, 2021, 11:43:33 AM
Nobody cares about other people's fantasy football, but just perspective for how insane last night was.  I am in league semi's, was leading by 27 going into last night and my opponent had the Miami defense.  I had a 99.8% chance of winning...I won by 2.  I almost threw up when it appeared Miami had scored their second defensive TD.  Just absurd.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 28, 2021, 12:15:13 PM
I wonder if any team has ever had an easier 7 game schedule than Miami has had for their 7 game winning streak.

Houston - Brissett
Baltimore - Lamar on a bad ankle
Jets - Flacco
Carolina - Newton
Giants - Glennon
Jets - Zack Wilson
Saints - Ian Book

A litany of the worst QBs in the NFL!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 28, 2021, 12:23:06 PM
I wonder if any team has ever had an easier 7 game schedule than Miami has had for their 7 game winning streak.

Houston - Brissett
Baltimore - Lamar on a bad ankle
Jets - Flacco
Carolina - Newton
Giants - Glennon
Jets - Zack Wilson
Saints - Ian Book

A litany of the worst QBs in the NFL!

It's like they're playing in the NFC North.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 28, 2021, 01:08:59 PM
It's like they're playing in the NFC North.

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 28, 2021, 01:17:48 PM
If I’m a team in contention, I wouldn’t have my six or seven (some number) top players show up to my practice facility.

I’d rather lose my second string linebacker to Covid than my starting QB.

The playoffs will be as much about who’s available than anything else.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 28, 2021, 01:27:41 PM
Carson Wentz on COVID list, out Sunday.
Hoo boy, would sure be something if a dangerous Colts team now misses the playoffs because Wentz wouldn't get vaccinated.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 28, 2021, 01:42:39 PM
Carson Wentz on COVID list, out Sunday.
Hoo boy, would sure be something if a dangerous Colts team now misses the playoffs because Wentz wouldn't get vaccinated.

This is huge for the Raiders chances. Tiebreaker advantage head to head with Colts if they can win Sunday. It’d also get them to 7-4 in the conference (which is huge).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 28, 2021, 02:14:13 PM
If I’m a team in contention, I wouldn’t have my six or seven (some number) top players show up to my practice facility.

I’d rather lose my second string linebacker to Covid than my starting QB.

The playoffs will be as much about who’s available than anything else.


The Eagles are keeping quarterbacks Jalen Hurts, Gardner Minshew and Reid Sinnett in separate rooms at the NovaCare Complex amid the surge in coronavirus cases across the country and the NFL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 28, 2021, 03:07:30 PM
Thank goodness Rodgers is immunized.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 28, 2021, 04:53:53 PM
Jeff Dickerson has died. I am in shock, he was such a good dude, great reporter, did a lot of national ESPN shows. Man…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 28, 2021, 05:21:20 PM
Jeff Dickerson has died. I am in shock, he was such a good dude, great reporter, did a lot of national ESPN shows. Man…

Such an awful story. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 28, 2021, 05:46:58 PM
Cam Newton after yesterday's game, almost surely his last in Charlotte:

“Football has been good to me. I was able to walk away unscathed. I don’t want to sound like I’m retiring, but I’ve had some great memories.”
I think he got paid close to $10 million for this season. So pretty good bucks for not getting hurt .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 28, 2021, 06:15:30 PM
RIP John Madden. Ultimate football guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on December 28, 2021, 06:38:05 PM
RIP John Madden. Ultimate football guy.

Just did a huge documentary on the guy and then BOOM, he dies.

Seriously, great coach and best announcer to ever do it in my mind.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2021, 06:41:55 PM
I think he got paid close to $10 million for this season. So pretty good bucks for not getting hurt .

The $10M was with all incentives, including leading the Panthers to the Super Bowl. I think he'll end up with right around $6M ... which still isn't chump change for a QB who can't throw any more.

A little sad to see the end fall so hard for Cam, but at least it's only the end of a career ... unlike those who lost their lives.

RIP Jeff Dickerson, a real good guy. And Madden, too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on December 28, 2021, 06:48:50 PM
The impact John Madden made on football was immeasurable.  He was the voice of a generation and often imitated but never matched.  Was he a caricature at the end?  Probably, but between his presence in the booth and the game that bears his name, he’ll never be forgotten
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 28, 2021, 06:53:37 PM
Just did a huge documentary on the guy and then BOOM, he dies.

Seriously, great coach and best announcer to ever do it in my mind.

I get what you were doing with the BOOM, but the man was old as hell.  Was expected. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on December 28, 2021, 06:58:22 PM
I get what you were doing with the BOOM, but the man was old as hell.  Was expected.
Just a joke.

He was 85. Old, not old as hell. It will be a while, maybe never that someone has as large of an impact on football and broadcasting as Madden
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 28, 2021, 07:05:16 PM
Grew up on John Madden and Pat Summerall, and Madden's color commentary defined football for me very early on. I don't think anyone will ever come close to touching his impact as a color commentator.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 28, 2021, 07:09:42 PM
Just a joke.

He was 85. Old, not old as hell. It will be a while, maybe never that someone has as large of an impact on football and broadcasting as Madden

I cracked up. Read it in the Madden voice. Sad day.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 28, 2021, 07:17:01 PM
Just a joke.

He was 85. Old, not old as hell. It will be a while, maybe never that someone has as large of an impact on football and broadcasting as Madden

Yeah, but he was pretty obese for a really long time.  Kind of surprised he lasted this long.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Loose Cannon on December 28, 2021, 07:25:35 PM
Jeff Dickerson has died. I am in shock, he was such a good dude, great reporter, did a lot of national ESPN shows. Man…

Prayers for his son.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on December 28, 2021, 07:27:58 PM
When I worked for the Bears, on game days, I would handle all kinds of requests at the entrance of the players/team parking lot. If you knew the old Soldier Field, the north side had siphoned off the “older” version of the stadium, and that entrance led you to the locker rooms or up Halas Hallway, which was a long corridor to the elevator that led to the press box.

In 2000, home season opener was against the Giants at 3:15. At around 2pm, I got asked to find a golf cart, and wait. I found a cart, walkie talkie said “can you go to the Madden Cruiser in the lot and give a ride to Summerall & Madden to the media elevator?”. I merely said “hello” to both of them, I remember thinking Summerall didn’t look like he was in great health, but it was a lifetime thrill to drive a golf cart with Madden in it.

RIP to the man who’s influence over all of football for generations is second to none.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: rocket surgeon on December 28, 2021, 08:12:39 PM
When I worked for the Bears, on game days, I would handle all kinds of requests at the entrance of the players/team parking lot. If you knew the old Soldier Field, the north side had siphoned off the “older” version of the stadium, and that entrance led you to the locker rooms or up Halas Hallway, which was a long corridor to the elevator that led to the press box.

In 2000, home season opener was against the Giants at 3:15. At around 2pm, I got asked to find a golf cart, and wait. I found a cart, walkie talkie said “can you go to the Madden Cruiser in the lot and give a ride to Summerall & Madden to the media elevator?”. I merely said “hello” to both of them, I remember thinking Summerall didn’t look like he was in great health, but it was a lifetime thrill to drive a golf cart with Madden in it.

RIP to the man who’s influence over all of football for generations is second to none.

great story dish! 

i was just wondering about john over the weekend, caught most of the special waiting for a flight out of MKE  what a guy! 

rip johnny
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2021, 11:04:10 PM
The impact John Madden made on football was immeasurable.  He was the voice of a generation and often imitated but never matched.  Was he a caricature at the end?  Probably, but between his presence in the booth and the game that bears his name, he’ll never be forgotten

Pretty damn good coach, too, Unk.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on December 28, 2021, 11:37:42 PM
Terrible news about Jeff Dickerson.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 29, 2021, 02:03:52 PM
@TheCousinSal: John Madden is the reason every 13 year-old boy is better at time management than Mike McCarthy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 29, 2021, 04:02:40 PM
@TheCousinSal: John Madden is the reason every 13 year-old boy is better at time management than Mike McCarthy.

I’m not someone who has personally played video games very much, but I know enough.

It is a funny coincidence how much football and even the NBA have slowly turned their game plans/strategies towards the ones people have had on the games for years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on December 29, 2021, 08:46:36 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/packers-aaron-rodgers-says-he-wont-take-too-long-to-make-decision-on-2022-season/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on December 30, 2021, 08:28:55 AM
Jeff Dickerson has died. I am in shock, he was such a good dude, great reporter, did a lot of national ESPN shows. Man…

I was very sad to read this news and feel heartbroken for his 11 year old son who has now lost both his parents to cancer :( .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 30, 2021, 10:35:30 AM
I’m not someone who has personally played video games very much, but I know enough.

It is a funny coincidence how much football and even the NBA have slowly turned their game plans/strategies towards the ones people have had on the games for years.

Quick, someone get Nagy a PS5
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 31, 2021, 10:02:47 AM
Kirk Cousins out Sunday night.  Tested positive and must sit as an unvaccinated player.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 31, 2021, 10:06:51 AM
Kirk Cousins out Sunday night.  Tested positive and must sit as an unvaccinated player.

I think most of the Vikings top players are unvaccinated. That should be interesting.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 31, 2021, 11:02:58 AM
Joe Webb SZN
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on December 31, 2021, 12:20:02 PM
Kirk Cousins out Sunday night.  Tested positive and must sit as an unvaccinated player.

Great leader and teammate.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 31, 2021, 12:24:11 PM
Great leader and teammate.

I despise Rodgers from depriving me of the ability to make fun of Kirk Cousins and flaunt my moral superiority.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 31, 2021, 12:26:49 PM
I despise Rodgers from depriving me of the ability to make fun of Kirk Cousins and flaunt my moral superiority.

I’ll laugh my butt off at both of them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 31, 2021, 12:26:54 PM
I despise Rodgers from depriving me of the ability to make fun of Kirk Cousins and flaunt my moral superiority.

Big difference between the two though.

Rodgers is a smart guy who wants to make sure everyone knows it. Cousins is an idiot.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on December 31, 2021, 12:32:57 PM
Is Cook still out?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on December 31, 2021, 12:34:44 PM
Big difference between the two though.

Rodgers is a smart guy who wants to make sure everyone knows it. Cousins is an idiot.

He may be a smart guy but he sounds like a moron every time he opens his mouth to talk about COVID.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on December 31, 2021, 12:36:55 PM
He may be a smart guy but he sounds like a moron every time he opens his mouth to talk about COVID.

Yup. Cuz the only way he knows to talk about it is that he thinks he knows more than the rest of us. One of the reasons it's so easy to make fun of the New Age people.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on December 31, 2021, 12:47:41 PM
Is Cook still out?

I believe he just came off the Covid list.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on December 31, 2021, 01:14:54 PM
Jeff Dickerson has died. I am in shock, he was such a good dude, great reporter, did a lot of national ESPN shows. Man…

Packers apparently donated $25,000 to the memorial fund for his son.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 02, 2022, 12:22:52 PM
Apparently, Nagy isn’t the worst coach in the League.

What Head Coach can justify playing Mike Glennon? There is a reason teams like the Bears and Giants sign a guy like this. Of course the Giants weren’t stupid enough to pay him $18 mil. Pace should have been fired on the spot for that stupidity.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 02, 2022, 12:25:27 PM
Apparently, Nagy isn’t the worst coach in the League.

What Head Coach can justify playing Mike Glennon? There is a reason teams like the Bears and Giants sign a guy like this. Of course the Giants weren’t stupid enough to pay him $18 mil. Pace should have been fired on the spot for that stupidity.

Glennon is so bad.  He has the pocket presence of a stump
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 02, 2022, 12:47:22 PM
Not sure what Matt Stafford's new years resolution was, but he can't be meeting it
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 02, 2022, 12:49:23 PM
Not sure what Matt Stafford's new years resolution was, but he can't be meeting it
Unless it was to be more generous.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2022, 01:24:19 PM
Not sure what Matt Stafford's new years resolution was, but he can't be meeting it

Pulled this off Twitter. Not sure how accurate it is…

“Stafford has 4 pick 6’s on the season

Rodgers has 3 pick 6’s his entire career”
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 02, 2022, 02:06:53 PM
That Antonio Brown sequence was the strangest thing I’ve ever seen. He’s surely done as a NFL player.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 02, 2022, 02:13:15 PM
That Antonio Brown sequence was the strangest thing I’ve ever seen. He’s surely done as a NFL player.

What in the…I’d always say someone’s willing to take on the risk because of the talent but this might be an exception

https://twitter.com/danwetzel/status/1477734607978172416?s=21

Dan is probably having the correct reaction
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 02, 2022, 02:24:37 PM
Antonio being Antonio.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 02, 2022, 02:25:08 PM
That Antonio Brown sequence was the strangest thing I’ve ever seen. He’s surely done as a NFL player.
Stunning display of selfishness
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 02, 2022, 02:26:50 PM
I'm sure Bruce Arians and Tom Brady will hold him to account
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 02, 2022, 02:35:46 PM
I'm sure Bruce Arians and Tom Brady will hold him to account

 ;D

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 02, 2022, 02:37:34 PM
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1477736509633609730?t=hLkjX99edYeF4kGlZOB8_Q&s=19 (https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1477736509633609730?t=hLkjX99edYeF4kGlZOB8_Q&s=19)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 02, 2022, 02:39:15 PM
Tip of the cap to Robert Quinn on an incredible season. Just surpassed Richard Dent’s single season sack record, with his 18th.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2022, 03:01:35 PM
Watching Ja’marr Chase’s success this year, I wonder if Jaxon Smith-Njigba would be penalized draft wise if he sat out next year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 02, 2022, 03:09:00 PM
The end of Chiefs/Bengals….&@?!?#%+<?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 02, 2022, 03:12:46 PM
The end of Chiefs/Bengals….&@?!?#%+<?

Was that Nagy coaching Cincy?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 02, 2022, 03:14:24 PM
Watching Ja’marr Chase’s success this year, I wonder if Jaxon Smith-Njigba would be penalized draft wise if he sat out next year.

Would be interesting. I doubt he would drop.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2022, 03:27:43 PM
The end of Chiefs/Bengals….&@?!?#%+<?


Man if Burrow is even partly limited due to the ending of that game...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 02, 2022, 03:34:17 PM
Bengals ran 8 plays from the 1 with goal to go on that last drive.

They picked up a first down, and went for it twice on 4th and goal from the 1 on that drive.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 02, 2022, 03:43:48 PM
Imagine if Jalen Hurts season ended on this..

https://twitter.com/laurencewholmes/status/1477750058653298689?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 02, 2022, 05:48:49 PM
The Lions are so undermanned.    Dan Campbell as the play caller is growing on me.    Going for it on a ton of 4th downs.    Hitting Taylor Decker with a TD pass on an unbalanced offensive line set.     He knows he has nothing to lose, so he is just letting it rip.

Nice to see Stafford bounce back.    Looked like one of his comebacks with the Lions.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 02, 2022, 06:34:29 PM
Packers clinch the #1 seed with a win tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2022, 06:35:25 PM
Packers clinch the #1 seed with a win tonight.

Or next week. Really no excuses this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 02, 2022, 07:03:42 PM
Unless dey don't foul up 3, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 02, 2022, 07:44:34 PM
In a multi-billion dollar business, why isn’t there a spare official?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 02, 2022, 07:53:56 PM
Packers coming out pretty casual.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2022, 08:02:46 PM
The offensive play calling is pretty efffin bad right now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 02, 2022, 08:05:08 PM
Hell of a first quarter.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 02, 2022, 08:05:47 PM
The offensive play calling is pretty efffin bad right now.

Lafleur is play calling like they are up 20 in the 4th and doesn't want to get anyone hurt.  Bizarre
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 02, 2022, 08:15:49 PM
Uninspiring pass play design right now. I get you don't need to do anything too brash, but you need to start going for the throat a little more. Kicking FGs isn't going to get it done
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 02, 2022, 08:21:00 PM
Zimmer looks like fookin' Rudolph, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2022, 08:41:41 PM
Ok that’s better. Game over.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 02, 2022, 08:42:07 PM
This looks like the MVP and super bowl champs to me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 02, 2022, 08:47:41 PM
Stunning display of selfishness

Maybe he can’t help it. Seriously.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 02, 2022, 09:23:17 PM
Maybe he can’t help it. Seriously.

I'm definitely not in support of any of AB's antics or justifying his actions, but I think its probably time to stop viewing AB in the lens of "look at this spoiled athlete" or "what a reckless wild card AB is" and more concern that this is a man who likely has severe undiagnosed CTE and moreso has some significant mental issues that need to be tended to before another tragic result.  Cause he is truly not right.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 02, 2022, 09:37:02 PM
Send in the scrubs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2022, 09:38:45 PM
I'm definitely not in support of any of AB's antics or justifying his actions, but I think its probably time to stop viewing AB in the lens of "look at this spoiled athlete" or "what a reckless wild card AB is" and more concern that this is a man who likely has severe undiagnosed CTE and moreso has some significant mental issues that need to be tended to before another tragic result.  Cause he is truly not right.

I’m pretty sure that’s what MU82 meant.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 02, 2022, 09:42:10 PM
AB’s had so many antics at this point that I have a hard time believing no one’s tried to help him out already.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2022, 09:46:38 PM
AB’s had so many antics at this point that I have a hard time believing no one’s tried to help him out already.

I’m sure they have. But I’m also sure that people have minimized it for the sake of getting him on the field.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 02, 2022, 09:47:35 PM
Matt Nagy scribbling furiously to add the ricochet to the Center pass to his playbook.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 02, 2022, 09:56:27 PM
There’s some speculation that the change in behavior by Brown was around the time of the dirty Burfict hit.

Also, how much does Rodgers play next week?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2022, 10:01:44 PM
There’s some speculation that the change in behavior by Brown was around the time of the dirty Burfict hit.

Also, how much does Rodgers play next week?

I doubt he plays at all.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 02, 2022, 10:04:03 PM
There’s some speculation that the change in behavior by Brown was around the time of the dirty Burfict hit.

Also, how much does Rodgers play next week?

Hopefully at least a half. I’d rather not see see him sit for 3 weeks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2022, 10:04:43 PM
Hopefully at least a half. I’d rather not see see him sit for 3 weeks.

I think they won’t risk the toe.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 02, 2022, 10:18:23 PM
I’m pretty sure that’s what MU82 meant.

Yea I agree with him, was just fleshing it out a bit
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 02, 2022, 10:23:40 PM
I think they won’t risk the toe.

I think you’re right. I just don’t like seeing him off that long.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 02, 2022, 10:35:40 PM
Rodgers has practiced like once in the past month and a half. I'm not worried about a meaningless game against Detroit. Jordan Love SZN
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 02, 2022, 10:38:55 PM
Meaningless game next week.  Spread the covid around the remaining players in the lockeroom and just straight up forfeit.

instant double bye!

I hope I don't need teal for this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 02, 2022, 11:28:34 PM
There’s a scenario that exists next week where the best thing for the Raiders/Chargers would be for their game to end in a tie (they both make the playoffs in that scenario).

Steelers would have to lose once, and Colts would have to lose to the Jags. Unlikely, but would be hilarious to watch both teams jointly decide to take knees for the whole game (and essentially would be a bye for both teams).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on January 02, 2022, 11:30:04 PM
Rodgers and Adams both said they are playing next week.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUeng on January 03, 2022, 07:14:39 AM
There’s a scenario that exists next week where the best thing for the Raiders/Chargers would be for their game to end in a tie (they both make the playoffs in that scenario).

Steelers would have to lose once, and Colts would have to lose to the Jags. Unlikely, but would be hilarious to watch both teams jointly decide to take knees for the whole game (and essentially would be a bye for both teams).
I would love that. The espn pundits would lose their minds
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2022, 07:25:38 AM
Maybe he can’t help it. Seriously.
I just looked at some of the pics of AB yesterday. His eyes seemed glazed over . Sure seems like he is not well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2022, 07:38:47 AM
AB released a Rap record last night

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y7w7Eelnlgw
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 03, 2022, 07:40:50 AM
I thought his victory lap was a tribute to Betty White, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 03, 2022, 09:39:57 AM
My impression of AB over the years is that he is both unwell and a dick.  Allocating the motivations/causes for his behavior between those two traits is damn near impossible.  I hope he gets the help he needs to not be a danger to himself or others but I also don't need to see any more of him. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 03, 2022, 09:52:14 AM
My impression of AB over the years is that he is both unwell and a dick.  Allocating the motivations/causes for his behavior between those two traits is damn near impossible.  I hope he gets the help he needs to not be a danger to himself or others but I also don't need to see any more of him.

I agree.  He's not okay, but he has been a dickhead his entire life.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 03, 2022, 09:57:11 AM
AB released a Rap record last night

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y7w7Eelnlgw

If I were his agent I'd advise him not to quit his day job
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2022, 01:06:09 PM
LaFleur said three weeks off would seem like a long time off, perhaps too long, and his gut feeling Sunday night was that they’d play “at least a little bit” in Detroit.


Looks like Matt is taking my advice again..... 8-)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2022, 01:10:44 PM
I literally laughed out loud when I read this.

Following the Giants’ 29-3 loss to the Bears Sunday, New York’s head coach Joe Judge spoke with reporters for over 10 minutes after being asked why fans should have faith that he can right the ship.

He promoted the franchise’s culture and said players who are expected to become free agents have been in his office begging to return. He also said he gets calls twice a week from players who signed elsewhere for more money wishing they were still in New York.


He reminds me of someone...., I just can't recall who.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 03, 2022, 04:33:46 PM
Interesting reports on Brown.

Apparently, he wasn't sure he was physically capable of playing this game, because of his ankle injury. Coaching staff made him suit up and play. Just before the incident, he had informed coaching staff that his ankle was not ok.

He was told to get back on the field and play anyway. When he insisted he wasn't ok, Arians kicked him off the team. Then the ordeal we all witnessed occurred.

Wondering what people think about that scenario. Was Brown actually in the wrong?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: YaBlueIt on January 03, 2022, 04:58:52 PM
Interesting reports on Brown.

Apparently, he wasn't sure he was physically capable of playing this game, because of his ankle injury. Coaching staff made him suit up and play. Just before the incident, he had informed coaching staff that his ankle was not ok.

He was told to get back on the field and play anyway. When he insisted he wasn't ok, Arians kicked him off the team. Then the ordeal we all witnessed occurred.

Wondering what people think about that scenario. Was Brown actually in the wrong?

The reports I saw say that Arians told Brown he would be done for the day if he insisted he wasn't ok, not cut from the team.

Regardless, you can't justify that behavior, and I flat out refuse to give AB the benefit of the doubt here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 03, 2022, 05:39:03 PM
Interesting reports on Brown.

Apparently, he wasn't sure he was physically capable of playing this game, because of his ankle injury. Coaching staff made him suit up and play. Just before the incident, he had informed coaching staff that his ankle was not ok.

He was told to get back on the field and play anyway. When he insisted he wasn't ok, Arians kicked him off the team. Then the ordeal we all witnessed occurred.

Wondering what people think about that scenario. Was Brown actually in the wrong?

I will expand my worldview to believe that Arians is an out-of-touch dickhead and not absolve Antonio Brown for any of his behaviors
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 03, 2022, 06:40:06 PM
Interesting reports on Brown.

Apparently, he wasn't sure he was physically capable of playing this game, because of his ankle injury. Coaching staff made him suit up and play. Just before the incident, he had informed coaching staff that his ankle was not ok.

He was told to get back on the field and play anyway. When he insisted he wasn't ok, Arians kicked him off the team. Then the ordeal we all witnessed occurred.

Wondering what people think about that scenario. Was Brown actually in the wrong?

If true,  Arians is in the wrong but Brown still handled it poorly. I 100% believe that Arians is capable of that but I also 100% believe that Brown is capable of making that up
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 03, 2022, 06:45:38 PM
Both have proven to be liars. Why would anybody believe either of 'em?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 03, 2022, 07:03:45 PM
Brown is still on the team . Seems like there must be some negotiations going on.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 03, 2022, 09:39:05 PM
Lindy Infante was the last Packer to win Coach of the year. No Holmgren. No McCarthy. No LaFleur.

Yet, Matt Nagy won one because he inherited an elite defense. Isn’t it time the Coach of the year is a guy who shows it year after year instead of guys having one lucky year?

Yes, I’m talking about Jason Garrett, Kevin Stefansky, Ron Rivera twice?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on January 04, 2022, 08:44:10 AM
Brown is still on the team . Seems like there must be some negotiations going on.

May have some legal issues. If there are physical or mental health issues, the attorneys have to be consulted and the dismissal must be done in accordance with the NFL's collective bargaining agreement and federal and state law.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 04, 2022, 10:19:37 AM
Antonio Brown Instagram followers went up 100,000 after this incident. I guess the public likes train wrecks.  .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 04, 2022, 11:49:31 AM
Interesting message from Antonio Brown to Ben Roethlisberger before last nights Steelers Brown game.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/antonio-brown-steelers-ben-roethlisberger-isnt-done
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 04, 2022, 02:02:25 PM
Brown is still on the team . Seems like there must be some negotiations going on.

During an interview in Dan Patrick this morning, the NFL reporter (I don't remember the name, he was the last segment of the second hour) said the best strategy was to keep Brown on the team but inactive so no other NFC playoff teams pick him up via the waiver wire.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 04, 2022, 03:57:06 PM
During an interview in Dan Patrick this morning, the NFL reporter (I don't remember the name, he was the last segment of the second hour) said the best strategy was to keep Brown on the team but inactive so no other NFC playoff teams pick him up via the waiver wire.

He could have just said "Dallas."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 04, 2022, 04:02:55 PM
During an interview in Dan Patrick this morning, the NFL reporter (I don't remember the name, he was the last segment of the second hour) said the best strategy was to keep Brown on the team but inactive so no other NFC playoff teams pick him up via the waiver wire.

Honestly, the NFL should have suspended him for the remainder of the season for the COVID fraud. All of this could have been avoided.

Wouldn't be surprised if the NFL comes in with some kind of suspension for conduct to help alleviate the situation.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 04, 2022, 04:34:26 PM
Honestly, the NFL should have suspended him for the remainder of the season for the COVID fraud. All of this could have been avoided.

Wouldn't be surprised if the NFL comes in with some kind of suspension for conduct to help alleviate the situation.

It'd be a slippery slope to start suspending players just because they committed a felony.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 04, 2022, 04:39:01 PM

It'd be a slippery slope to start suspending players just because they committed a felony.

If he would have been caught on video in an elevator, he might have been in some trouble.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 04, 2022, 06:49:47 PM
The Athletic is reporting that Jim Harbaugh may be looking to get back in the NFL, with the Raiders and Bears being the top possibilities.
Do the Raiders let go of Rich Bisaccia if he somehow get them into the playoffs?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 04, 2022, 07:16:37 PM
The Athletic is reporting that Jim Harbaugh may be looking to get back in the NFL, with the Raiders and Bears being the top possibilities.
Do the Raiders let go of Rich Bisaccia if he somehow get them into the playoffs?

Harbaugh’s agent angling the Raiders & Bears to get another pay day at Michigan (after he took a pay cut).

Timing is everything, good for him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 04, 2022, 07:23:51 PM
Harbaugh’s agent angling the Raiders & Bears to get another pay day at Michigan (after he took a pay cut).

Timing is everything, good for him.

I don’t think he has an agent but yes, the timing is fortuitous.  I’ll say this, this was probably as good as it’ll get for Michigan or was their ceiling.  I think a lot has to go right for them to win it all.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 04, 2022, 07:48:05 PM
Harbaugh’s agent angling the Raiders & Bears to get another pay day at Michigan (after he took a pay cut).

Timing is everything, good for him.

Might be time to fire up a new @CoachTomCrean Twitter account.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 04, 2022, 07:50:43 PM
I don’t think he has an agent but yes, the timing is fortuitous.  I’ll say this, this was probably as good as it’ll get for Michigan or was their ceiling.  I think a lot has to go right for them to win it all.

Yeah, you’re probably right about Michigan. Whatever he does, he’s got leverage at Michigan, and it doesn’t hurt that two NFL franchises he has ties to potentially have head coach openings.

I believe strongly the McCaskey’s would 100% hire him. I’m not saying I’d agree with it, but I believe they would absolutely do it (Harbaugh knows it too).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 04, 2022, 09:08:52 PM
They're going to need to forge Virginia's signature on checks that big
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 04, 2022, 09:18:16 PM
Yeah, you’re probably right about Michigan. Whatever he does, he’s got leverage at Michigan, and it doesn’t hurt that two NFL franchises he has ties to potentially have head coach openings.

I believe strongly the McCaskey’s would 100% hire him. I’m not saying I’d agree with it, but I believe they would absolutely do it (Harbaugh knows it too).

Any substance to any of the Sean Payton rumors? It feels like clickbait nonsense but it’s still interesting scuttle given Brees’ retirement and Payton’s background/Pace connections
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 04, 2022, 09:31:20 PM
Any substance to any of the Sean Payton rumors? It feels like clickbait nonsense but it’s still interesting scuttle given Brees’ retirement and Payton’s background/Pace connections

Payton is a package deal with Taysom Hill
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 04, 2022, 09:36:12 PM
Any substance to any of the Sean Payton rumors? It feels like clickbait nonsense but it’s still interesting scuttle given Brees’ retirement and Payton’s background/Pace connections

I don’t think there’s anything to it, unless they kicked Pace upstairs and gave Payton roster control.

I always forget he went to Naperville Central.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 04, 2022, 11:11:45 PM
Any substance to any of the Sean Payton rumors? It feels like clickbait nonsense but it’s still interesting scuttle given Brees’ retirement and Payton’s background/Pace connections

Do they have any draft choices left to give up to get Peyton? He's under contract thru 2026 so it would take everything the Bears have left in the next draft to get him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 04, 2022, 11:13:36 PM
Hub Arkush says he will not vote for Rodgers for MVP.

You would think that a raging homer like Hub would love to vote for the owner of his team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 05, 2022, 08:42:00 PM
I booked 10 rooms at a variety of hotels in Arlington for Feb 12-14 early this afternoon. They’ve all quadrupled in price since I booked them.

Hmm…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 05, 2022, 09:32:06 PM
AB releases long and detailed statement. Has significant injuries. This is going to get very interesting.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33002723/antonio-brown-releases-lengthy-statement-tells-side-story-days-leaving-tampa-bay-buccaneers-game
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 05, 2022, 11:02:33 PM
Any substance to any of the Sean Payton rumors? It feels like clickbait nonsense but it’s still interesting scuttle given Brees’ retirement and Payton’s background/Pace connections

Gross, talk about a guy I wouldn’t want as the Bears coach.

This just feels like Russell Wilson 2.0.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 06, 2022, 07:44:41 AM
Gross, talk about a guy I wouldn’t want as the Bears coach.


Why not?  Who do you think the Bears are going to get who's better?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 06, 2022, 09:17:20 AM
Thoughts and prayers, Bears fans.

From the Tribune's Brad Biggs:

What do you think the odds are of Ryan Pace staying in the Bears organization in some capacity? — @jasonkmcguire

I can tell you in talking to people around the league, there definitely is a portion of folks who believe he has a good chance of remaining with the Bears either in his current role as general manager or in some other capacity on the football side of things. Others believe the Bears will make more sweeping changes than just replacing coach Matt Nagy.

I can tell you one source I spoke to earlier this week said a little more than a month ago, he would have put the chance of Pace staying at slightly higher than 50%. Now his belief is Pace’s chances of remaining with the Bears is greater than that. We know Chairman George McCaskey has held Pace in high regard for some time. He’s not going to let him be a guiding voice in a more than $100 million upgrade at Halas Hall without having total trust in him. It’s possible McCaskey wants to allow Pace to see through the development of quarterback Justin Fields and maybe McCaskey likes some of the younger players on the roster.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on January 06, 2022, 10:29:58 AM
Not surprising on Pace. I felt he was going to be retained in some capacity for a few weeks now and here come the reports.

George's tenure as chairman has been horrible. Poor decisions, after poor decisions. Keeping Pace is right on-brand. Yesterday was Virginia's birthday. She turned 99. While I don't wish her ill will, father time has to come at some point. And, truthfully, that may be the only thing that finally begins the process of changing the status quo at Halas Hall.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 06, 2022, 11:37:05 AM
We must never forget what happened on January 6.

https://youtu.be/BICgLiBy46o (https://youtu.be/BICgLiBy46o)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 06, 2022, 11:40:45 AM
Cold.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 06, 2022, 12:59:33 PM
Not surprising on Pace. I felt he was going to be retained in some capacity for a few weeks now and here come the reports.

George's tenure as chairman has been horrible. Poor decisions, after poor decisions. Keeping Pace is right on-brand. Yesterday was Virginia's birthday. She turned 99. While I don't wish her ill will, father time has to come at some point. And, truthfully, that may be the only thing that finally begins the process of changing the status quo at Halas Hall.

George's tenure has made me miss Michael being in charge.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 06, 2022, 01:32:39 PM
We must never forget what happened on January 6.

https://youtu.be/BICgLiBy46o (https://youtu.be/BICgLiBy46o)

I think my favorite part of all that was Nagy bringing in a ton of kickers for a tryout and making them kick a bunch of 43 yarders.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on January 06, 2022, 01:54:51 PM
I think my favorite part of all that was Nagy bringing in a ton of kickers for a tryout and making them kick a bunch of 43 yarders.

This whole incident was just the early evidence that Nagy didn't have the composure to handle the job.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 06, 2022, 03:11:25 PM
I think my favorite part of all that was Nagy bringing in a ton of kickers for a tryout and making them kick a bunch of 43 yarders.

Was that when the news stations all had their helicopters flying over Soldier Field?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on January 06, 2022, 04:44:06 PM
We must never forget what happened on January 6.

https://youtu.be/BICgLiBy46o (https://youtu.be/BICgLiBy46o)

I flew back to Chicago from Sunny South Florida to go to that game with my son.

Great time with my son.

Could the Bears screw something up worse than that?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 06, 2022, 04:44:36 PM
Excellent analysis from the Pro who came to see AB the night before Bucs Jets game

Some very juicy tidbits .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10367913/NFL-star-Antonio-Brown-snuck-woman-hotel-room-night-meltdown.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 06, 2022, 05:15:33 PM
Excellent analysis from the Pro who came to see AB the night before Bucs Jets game

Some very juicy tidbits .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10367913/NFL-star-Antonio-Brown-snuck-woman-hotel-room-night-meltdown.html

The perfect reason why I avoid social media. When this ignorant skank is considered an “influencer”, something is wrong with our society.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 06, 2022, 05:26:58 PM
Excellent analysis from the Pro who came to see AB the night before Bucs Jets game

Some very juicy tidbits .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10367913/NFL-star-Antonio-Brown-snuck-woman-hotel-room-night-meltdown.html

so that's how he hurt his ankle. LOL
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 06, 2022, 05:51:51 PM
The perfect reason why I avoid social media. When this ignorant skank is considered an “influencer”, something is wrong with our society.

DailyMail is a glorified tabloid and they just toss dumb labels on anyone to pop stories.  Aka anyone with a bunch of social media followers is an influencer.

But keep up the yelling at the clouds and the vitriol, its a nice crotchety touch.

Ill give AB credit, he's a never ending content machine.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 06, 2022, 06:27:53 PM
DailyMail is a glorified tabloid and they just toss dumb labels on anyone to pop stories.  Aka anyone with a bunch of social media followers is an influencer.

But keep up the yelling at the clouds and the vitriol, its a nice crotchety touch.

Ill give AB credit, he's a never ending content machine.

Obviously, I saw it was the Daily Mail.

And speaking of crotchety…..
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 06, 2022, 06:38:04 PM
Jockey likes the toilet too....
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 07, 2022, 12:57:51 PM
Packers getting some dudes back right before the playoffs (Jaire off Covid list, Bak has been practicing) could make the playoffs that more exciting.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 07, 2022, 01:09:31 PM
Rumors of the NFL's demise have been greatly exaggerated.
Of the 100 most watched television broadcasts in 2021, 75 of them were NFL games.

https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1479526409462857728/photo/1
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 07, 2022, 01:21:01 PM
So if the report out there is true, Rodgers would really boycott the Super Bowl?

This is exhausting at this point.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 07, 2022, 01:28:16 PM
So if the report out there is true, Rodgers would really boycott the Super Bowl?

This is exhausting at this point.

Did I miss something? Is this related to Covid protocols?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 07, 2022, 01:34:33 PM
https://www.nj.com/giants/2022/01/wfans-boomer-esiason-source-says-aaron-rodgers-will-threaten-to-boycott-the-super-bowl-if-packers-advance.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 07, 2022, 01:35:45 PM
So if the report out there is true, Rodgers would really boycott the Super Bowl?

This is exhausting at this point.

He really is incredibly unlikeable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on January 07, 2022, 01:40:47 PM
No idea if the report is true, but doubt he would go through with it should they advance.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 07, 2022, 01:42:21 PM
He's not boycotting the Super Bowl.  Cmon...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on January 07, 2022, 01:47:04 PM
He's not boycotting the Super Bowl.  Cmon...

This. He may have put this out there to make them sweat or try to influence the rules, but he's not boycotting anything.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 07, 2022, 01:47:57 PM
Maybe THIS is the one that ruins the entire Packers organization?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 07, 2022, 01:51:14 PM
More smoke surrounding Harbaugh to the Raiders.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 07, 2022, 01:53:58 PM
BTW, I am not sure what the articles means by the Rodgers saga getting "crazier and crazier."  Outside of misleading his vaccination status, speaking his mind about vaccines and the like, and calling a reporter a "jerk," he has largely been the same guy he's always been.  Oftentimes prickly, sometimes funny and immensely talented on the field.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 07, 2022, 02:16:04 PM
Unless the source is Danica or Olivia then it’s fake news.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 07, 2022, 02:18:33 PM
He's not boycotting the Super Bowl.  Cmon...

Thank you. Finally a voice of reason here.

Bears fans should be more worried about the reports that Pace will be kept. I guess that is definitive proof that Aaron really does own the Bears.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 07, 2022, 02:21:33 PM
Rumors of the NFL's demise have been greatly exaggerated.
Of the 100 most watched television broadcasts in 2021, 75 of them were NFL games.

https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1479526409462857728/photo/1

And that’s without the millions who vowed to never watch the NFL again.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 07, 2022, 02:23:11 PM
I forget.   What was the cause of that round of faux-rage?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 07, 2022, 02:26:36 PM
I don’t think he would boycott the Super Bowl, that was why I included a ? at the end of my thought in my post.

It is exhausting though that this is either made up, or on the rare chance that there’s any legitimacy to this. Maybe it’s because I’m invested in Rodgers MVP futures and I want the white noise to go away for a few weeks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 07, 2022, 02:35:13 PM
I don’t think he would boycott the Super Bowl, that was why I included a ? at the end of my thought in my post.

It is exhausting though that this is either made up, or on the rare chance that there’s any legitimacy to this. Maybe it’s because I’m invested in Rodgers MVP futures and I want the white noise to go away for a few weeks.

He just likes people taking about him.  His ego needs feeding.  It is nice to see him exposed as the fraud he is.  Faux intellectual and a nasty person
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 07, 2022, 02:36:53 PM
https://www.nj.com/giants/2022/01/wfans-boomer-esiason-source-says-aaron-rodgers-will-threaten-to-boycott-the-super-bowl-if-packers-advance.html

Text was from Hub Arkush. Part of the campaign to keep ARod from getting MVP. That comes from an insider.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 07, 2022, 02:39:56 PM
Doubt it's true. But in the highly unlikely event that it is true, the NFL would shrug its collective shoulders and say, "OK then ... see you next season. Or not."

With or without Aaron Rodgers, the Super Bowl will be TV's most-watched event in 2022. There will not be 10 people who were gonna watch it anyway who won't watch if AR skips it. Heck, one could argue that AR not playing would add to the game's drama and bring even more eyeballs.

Given AR's W/L record in the playoffs (and especially in NFC title games) over the last decade, I hope for my Packer-fan friends that AR doesn't "boycott" one of the games leading up to the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 07, 2022, 02:41:46 PM
Doubt it's true. But in the highly unlikely event that it is true, the NFL would shrug its collective shoulders and say, "OK then ... see you next season. Or not."

With or without Aaron Rodgers, the Super Bowl will be TV's most-watched event in 2022. There will not be 10 people who were gonna watch it anyway who won't watch if AR skips it. Heck, one could argue that AR not playing would add to the game's drama and bring even more eyeballs.

Given AR's W/L record in the playoffs (and especially in NFC title games) over the last decade, I hope for my Packer-fan friends that AR doesn't "boycott" one of the games leading up to the Super Bowl.

He’s looking to break Favre’s record for losingest QB in Lambeau playoff history
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 07, 2022, 02:57:54 PM
Doubt it's true. But in the highly unlikely event that it is true, the NFL would shrug its collective shoulders and say, "OK then ... see you next season. Or not."

With or without Aaron Rodgers, the Super Bowl will be TV's most-watched event in 2022. There will not be 10 people who were gonna watch it anyway who won't watch if AR skips it. Heck, one could argue that AR not playing would add to the game's drama and bring even more eyeballs.

Given AR's W/L record in the playoffs (and especially in NFC title games) over the last decade, I hope for my Packer-fan friends that AR doesn't "boycott" one of the games leading up to the Super Bowl.

Yeah, I don't think the NFL would just shrug if the probable MVP of their league decided not to play in the Super Bowl.  And I don't think viewership would go up if he decided not to play, either.

He's 11-9 in the Playoffs.  All of 7 quarterbacks in the history of the sport have won more Playoff games than Rodgers as a starter.  His Playoff winning percentage is right there with Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Brett Favre, Russell Wilson, Ben Rothlisburger, etc.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 07, 2022, 03:08:56 PM
Yeah, I don't think the NFL would just shrug if the probable MVP of their league decided not to play in the Super Bowl.  And I don't think viewership would go up if he decided not to play, either.

He's 11-9 in the Playoffs.  All of 7 quarterbacks in the history of the sport have won more Playoff games than Rodgers as a starter.  His Playoff winning percentage is right there with Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Brett Favre, Russell Wilson, Ben Rothlisburger, etc.

I respect you and I know you are intelligent, so please don't use selective reading.

I said his playoff record over the last decade, which is 7-8. I specifically mentioned NFC title games, in which he is 0-4 over that span.

And if you think NFL leaders would curl up in the fetal position if AR didn't play, you haven't paid much attention to them over the years. Their stance is always that the game is bigger than any 1 or 10 or 100 individuals. They have had to pay billions of dollars because they spent decades basically discarding the brains of players.

And they know that ratings wouldn't suffer if AR boycotted ... at least not in the first half. Maybe after the halftime show, if the Jordan Love-led Packers were losing 42-7, it would cost them eyeballs for the rest of the telecast. So I'll amend what I said and say sure, they'd care if that happened.

But wouldn't it be incredible if all this were true and AR boycotted and Love played well and the Packers won? That would be the best story of all!

Oh and BTW, I have really enjoyed watching AR play over the years. He's been one of my favorite athletes to watch. And if he leaves the Pack and decides to play for the Panthers I'd be happy to have him, especially if Covid is a thing of the past. Of course, I'd be worried about his declining mental state if he signed with the Panthers!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 07, 2022, 03:16:20 PM


Given AR's W/L record in the playoffs (and especially in NFC title games) over the last decade, I hope for my Packer-fan friends that AR doesn't "boycott" one of the games leading up to the Super Bowl.

As a GB fan, that is some Grade A snark. Bravo.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 07, 2022, 04:27:15 PM
Rodgers has a habit of boycotting the Super Bowl anyway
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBBau on January 07, 2022, 04:32:46 PM
Hmmmm

https://twitter.com/AaronRodgers12/status/1479578947272728579 (https://twitter.com/AaronRodgers12/status/1479578947272728579)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 07, 2022, 04:44:20 PM
Didn’t Boomer have some wildly inaccurate stuff over the summer with Rodgers?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 07, 2022, 05:12:17 PM
Didn’t Boomer have some wildly inaccurate stuff over the summer with Rodgers?

He's literally a booooooooooooomer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 07, 2022, 05:27:07 PM
Gotta love how the haters want it both ways.

First, he is an egomaniac who wants to make everything about himself and how great he his.

Then, he will refuse to do the one thing that would stake his claim as the GOAT. Win a couple more SBs.

Gotta love these people.  ::)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 08, 2022, 07:02:59 AM
"#BoycottLafleursBrows" made me laugh
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: aands86 on January 08, 2022, 07:41:38 AM
I don’t think there’s anything to it, unless they kicked Pace upstairs and gave Payton roster control.

I always forget he went to Naperville Central.

another report of the Bears' inability to accept today's financial reality in the NFL:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/olin-kreutz-bears-offered-job-093729494.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 08, 2022, 08:31:45 AM
another report of the Bears' inability to accept today's financial reality in the NFL:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/olin-kreutz-bears-offered-job-093729494.html

Hilarious. But obviously also sad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on January 08, 2022, 09:41:50 AM
another report of the Bears' inability to accept today's financial reality in the NFL:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/olin-kreutz-bears-offered-job-093729494.html

It’s the Bears. What else would you expect?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 08, 2022, 04:31:40 PM
Sounds like both Nagy and Zimmer are out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 08, 2022, 04:37:41 PM
Sounds like both Nagy and Zimmer are out.

But both may keep their general managers.   :o :o :o
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 08, 2022, 06:25:58 PM
Broncos playing to lose when they kick a field goal with 4 minutes left when they’re down by more than a FG.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2022, 07:20:58 PM
Chiefs looking strong.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 08, 2022, 07:27:18 PM
Chiefs looking strong.

Not sure that’s how I’d describe the win today
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 08, 2022, 07:48:12 PM
Chiefs looking strong.

They looked mediocre as hell.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 08, 2022, 09:31:47 PM
W is a W
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 08, 2022, 09:57:01 PM
W is a W

Lol. You said they are “looking strong.”  They did not.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 08, 2022, 09:58:56 PM
Sounds like both Nagy and Zimmer are out.

ESPN says Panthers bringing Rhule back for another year. Not surprised ... but he's on the warm chair now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 08, 2022, 10:01:52 PM
ESPN says Panthers bringing Rhule back for another year. Not surprised ... but he's on the warm chair now.

That’s looking like a bad hire.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 08, 2022, 10:30:57 PM
That’s looking like a bad hire.

Agreed. And what multiplies it is Rhule has final say on all personnel decisions too, even though he had not a shred of experience in that realm. He must have made a hell of an impression on Tepper.

Badly mishandled the QB position and offensive line. Also a little unlucky with McCaffrey. Not sure how he's gonna save his job unless he lands Russell Wilson and a couple stud linemen ... and it's hard to imagine that happening.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 08, 2022, 11:00:26 PM
Russell Wilson isn’t good enough.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 09, 2022, 08:22:20 AM
Lol. You said they are “looking strong.”  They did not.
Chiefs have won 9 of their last 10.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 09, 2022, 08:45:10 AM
Chiefs have won 9 of their last 10.

Cool. They did not look strong yesterday…you know…when you posted. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 09, 2022, 09:28:16 AM
Fangio out in Denver.
He wasn't a good head coach, but also never had a chance with the rotating collection of yuck they gave him at QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 09, 2022, 09:35:45 AM
Fangio out in Denver.
He wasn't a good head coach, but also never had a chance with the rotating collection of yuck they gave him at QB.

Rodgers will probably give them a list of coaches he’d like to play for
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 09, 2022, 09:45:26 AM
Fangio out in Denver.
He wasn't a good head coach, but also never had a chance with the rotating collection of yuck they gave him at QB.

They also have to get Elway out and straighten up their ownership.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 09, 2022, 09:55:48 AM
Fangio out in Denver.
He wasn't a good head coach, but also never had a chance with the rotating collection of yuck they gave him at QB.

Vic is in the Ray Rhoades camp of great coordinators that just aren't cut out to manage a whole team. He'll find a home very quickly
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 09, 2022, 10:10:46 AM
They also have to get Elway out and straighten up their ownership.

Elway is going to have a job there as long as he wants it, but he's no longer in charge of personnel there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 09, 2022, 10:12:29 AM
Vic is in the Ray Rhoades camp of great coordinators that just aren't cut out to manage a whole team. He'll find a home very quickly

See also: Wade Phillips.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 09, 2022, 10:26:56 AM
Russell Wilson isn’t good enough.

You might be right. I’m not sure I’ve seen 10 mins of Seahawks football this season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 09, 2022, 10:47:54 AM
Rodgers will probably give them a list of coaches he’d like to play for

I'm sure there will be Giannis-style posturing all around the league with teams lining up their best pitch.

I won't assume that Rodgers is a rational actor, but it's hard to think he'll find a better marriage than Matt Lafleur
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 09, 2022, 10:51:51 AM
He ain't goin' nowhere, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 09, 2022, 10:54:34 AM
I'm sure there will be Giannis-style posturing all around the league with teams lining up their best pitch.

I won't assume that Rodgers is a rational actor, but it's hard to think he'll find a better marriage than Matt Lafleur

I personally believe it’s more likely the Packers move on from Rodgers than Rodgers choosing to leave the Packers.

It all depends on how they feel about Love, but Rodgers’ play continues to make this a very difficult decision. He’s really thriving in the LaFleur system.

Rodgers seems to be having a lot of fun this year, likes his teammates, and seems to be making strides with the front office. I also think retiring a Packer unlike Favre means something to him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 09, 2022, 11:10:48 AM
I personally believe it’s more likely the Packers move on from Rodgers than Rodgers choosing to leave the Packers.

It all depends on how they feel about Love, but Rodgers’ play continues to make this a very difficult decision. He’s really thriving in the LaFleur system.

Rodgers seems to be having a lot of fun this year, likes his teammates, and seems to be making strides with the front office. I also think retiring a Packer unlike Favre means something to him.

I pers

The Packers want him to stay and will make it work if he wants.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 09, 2022, 12:19:45 PM
He can bring Adams with him to Denver.  I wonder if he brings Hackett with him, too
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 09, 2022, 12:25:58 PM
Nice toss by the punter.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 09, 2022, 12:27:07 PM
Only against the lions can the packers do something correct on ST
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 09, 2022, 12:35:57 PM
That was chaotic.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 09, 2022, 01:05:43 PM
Only against the lions can the packers do something correct on ST

You’re such a dreamer.   :)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 09, 2022, 01:06:58 PM
Do the Colts realize they don’t have a playoff spot locked?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 09, 2022, 01:07:43 PM
Greg Olsen has quickly established himself as one of the best football analysts.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 09, 2022, 01:10:48 PM
This defense hasn’t been good since the bye week.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2022, 01:31:04 PM
If you haven’t seen this yet, it’s incomprehensible.

https://twitter.com/petehaileynbcs/status/1480253845297111043?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 09, 2022, 01:33:12 PM
If you haven’t seen this yet, it’s incomprehensible.

https://twitter.com/petehaileynbcs/status/1480253845297111043?s=21

Joe Judge!!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 09, 2022, 01:46:20 PM
Some real discipline on defense.  ::)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2022, 01:56:33 PM
RIP Colts season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 09, 2022, 01:57:17 PM
RIP Colts season.

Wentz was never the answer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 09, 2022, 01:58:52 PM
Jordan Love has all the pocket presence of Graham Mertz.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 09, 2022, 02:04:15 PM
The Packers want him to stay and will make it work if he wants.

Yea, looking like it’s very much in the Packers’ best interest to bring back Rodgers. Rodgers’ leverage is increasing every time Love steps on the field.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 09, 2022, 02:12:00 PM
I know Love has a lot of arm talent, but so often, the ball just doesn't look good coming out of his hand
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 09, 2022, 02:32:30 PM
They aren’t going to but raiders and chargers taking knees the entire game oN SNF would be incredible.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 09, 2022, 02:33:46 PM
Titans and Colts really trying to outsuck each other
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 09, 2022, 02:34:52 PM
Titans and Colts really trying to outsuck each other

Rooting for 3.5 hours of kneel downs tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lostpassword on January 09, 2022, 02:46:53 PM
Rooting for 3.5 hours of kneel downs tonight.

120 - 120 would be even better. Just blow up every record.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 09, 2022, 02:51:30 PM
This defense…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 09, 2022, 02:53:00 PM
This defense…

Quite the effort ::)

Even for backups, it was piss-poor.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 09, 2022, 02:56:28 PM
If they let Rodgers go, this game will be for later place next year.

It was cute though, that the announcers pretended Love could handle the moment.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 09, 2022, 02:57:55 PM
RIP, Matt Nagy era

RIP, Mike Zimmer era
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 09, 2022, 02:58:58 PM
The Lions are so undermanned.    Dan Campbell as the play caller is growing on me.    Going for it on a ton of 4th downs.    Hitting Taylor Decker with a TD pass on an unbalanced offensive line set.     He knows he has nothing to lose, so he is just letting it rip.


   
Bump.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2022, 02:59:30 PM
RIP, Matt Nagy era

RIP, Mike Zimmer era

Indeed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 09, 2022, 03:03:48 PM
Love can’t even take the gimme TD. But Al least he can hit the open Lions player.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2022, 03:05:39 PM
Pit/Balt tie eliminates both teams.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 09, 2022, 03:05:48 PM
Eye've ceen 'nough. Throwin' off his back foot. Love is fookin' terrible. Peddle his ass for a bag of kickin' tees. aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2022, 03:24:48 PM
I honestly wonder if Tomlin and Harbaugh know the consequences of a tie.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 09, 2022, 03:31:31 PM
This is stunning

https://twitter.com/KevinNegandhi/status/1480285126621908996?s=20

I personally found it baffling that they have an MVP caliber RB and started the game against a bad team by not aggressively feeding him
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 09, 2022, 03:50:15 PM
Dear God, yes

https://twitter.com/PFN365/status/1479859822371684352?t=LLULurXAUsBOsPCgxYExDQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/PFN365/status/1479859822371684352?t=LLULurXAUsBOsPCgxYExDQ&s=19)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 09, 2022, 03:54:10 PM
Dear God, yes

https://twitter.com/PFN365/status/1479859822371684352?t=LLULurXAUsBOsPCgxYExDQ&s=19 (https://twitter.com/PFN365/status/1479859822371684352?t=LLULurXAUsBOsPCgxYExDQ&s=19)

Even better news:

There are reports that the Bears plan on doing the same with Pace.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 09, 2022, 04:12:57 PM
I’m fine with Pace remaining in some capacity, just get Nagy out of there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 09, 2022, 04:21:41 PM
I’m fine with Pace remaining in some capacity, just get Nagy out of there.

Eight+ years to judge, hey?

He'd be working on his third head coach, still doesn't have a franchise QB, hasn't won a playoff game, and wasted a top defense in their prime. Double doink PaNa.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 09, 2022, 04:26:32 PM
So should teams make so-called trick plays a more frequent part of their arsenal, just as the NFL has evolved to go for it on 4th down much more frequently?

I realize trick plays rely to some extent on surprise, yet it seems to me they are often successful. Further, if the defense has to account for more frequent trick plays, it seems they would have to have defenders stay at home more often, opening up "regular" plays to run against fewer defenders at the point of attack.

Surely stats guys have studied this?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 09, 2022, 04:44:29 PM
I’m fine with Pace remaining in some capacity, just get Nagy out of there.

Packers' fans everywhere agree 100%.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 09, 2022, 04:50:09 PM
So should teams make so-called trick plays a more frequent part of their arsenal, just as the NFL has evolved to go for it on 4th down much more frequently?

I realize trick plays rely to some extent on surprise, yet it seems to me they are often successful. Further, if the defense has to account for more frequent trick plays, it seems they would have to have defenders stay at home more often, opening up "regular" plays to run against fewer defenders at the point of attack.

Surely stats guys have studied this?

I spoke of the complete lack of discipline by the Packers defense earlier in this thread that allows these kinds of plays to work. LaFleur came out in the presser after the game spitting fire about the defense's lack of discipline.

(I guess we know why Rodgers had the headset on - to monitor my comments on Scoop. Same last week when I said the starters needed to play the 1st half. Everyone here disagreed, but once Matt caught up on Scoop, he decided to do it.)  8-)

We are integral to the team's success.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 09, 2022, 05:15:20 PM
Nobody wants to win games today.  Rams now cough up a 17 pt lead
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2022, 05:20:48 PM
Matt Stafford might literally be actively trying to not win a ring.

What he’s done the last 3 or so weeks is borderline 3rd string in high school.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 09, 2022, 05:40:15 PM
The Rams have gained 25 yards and thrown a pick since the halfway point in the 2nd quarter when they were up 17. My god
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 09, 2022, 05:47:17 PM
Good to see the Steelers potentially making the playoffs . I like Coach Tomlin.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 09, 2022, 05:55:57 PM
Buffalo sleepwalking against a terrible Jets team with the division on the line. Baffling stuff but not surprising cause that team hasn’t made sense week to week all year
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 09, 2022, 06:09:01 PM
Totally unexpected drive by Jimmy G.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 09, 2022, 06:39:02 PM
Totally unexpected drive by Jimmy G.

Totally expected drive by Matt Stafford
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 09, 2022, 06:39:52 PM
Totally expected drive by Matt Stafford
Matt Stafford doing Matt Stafford things .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 09, 2022, 06:56:39 PM
Stafford is the same player he has always been, a high volume shooter. Like any HVS, he'll have periods where he gets hot and looks all world, he'll accumulate a lot of stats, but he throws up a lot of clunkers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 09, 2022, 07:56:17 PM
Raiders and Chargers taken the cowards way out. Will root against them hard in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 09, 2022, 08:45:43 PM
Raiders and Chargers taken the cowards way out. Will root against them hard in the playoffs.

Depriving me my right to a TOTALLY RIGGED football game
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 09, 2022, 09:26:27 PM
Brandon Staley may have a little Dunning Krueger in him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2022, 10:37:25 PM
If the Chargers score, they will totally go for 2.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 09, 2022, 10:39:55 PM
If the Chargers score, they will totally go for 2.

Really? Why risk missing the playoffs when a tie gets you in?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2022, 10:42:29 PM
Really? Why risk missing the playoffs when a tie gets you in?

One play to win vs a coin flip…they’ll take their chances.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 09, 2022, 10:44:48 PM
One play to win vs a coin flip…they’ll take their chances.

Ah. Forgot they would still go to OT. In my excitement for a tie, I was thinking the game would end.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 09, 2022, 10:46:23 PM
The Chargers have never played a normal game
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2022, 10:48:00 PM
Or not…
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 09, 2022, 10:50:50 PM
Just hoping for a (https://sports.cbsimg.net/images/blogs/philip-rivers-bolo-tie-bengals-win.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2022, 10:53:35 PM
In all honesty, it is now entirely in both teams best interest to play for a tie.

The risk of anything bad (turnover/missed kick) far outweighs the reward (which is guaranteed with a tie).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2022, 11:06:23 PM
I cannot believe these two teams are still playing to win.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 09, 2022, 11:17:00 PM
America hates the Raiders
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2022, 11:17:21 PM
That timeout made no sense. The Raiders were fine with the tie at that point.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 09, 2022, 11:17:33 PM
Very disappointing. The Raiders deserved to have that FG blocked and returned for a TD.  Would have been some great karma.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 09, 2022, 11:19:04 PM
Very disappointing. The Raiders deserved to have that FG blocked and returned for a TD.  Would have been some great karma.

<Fart noise>
Kudos to the Raiders for playing to win. Blame Staley for thinking he's smarter than the average bear and getting burned by it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 09, 2022, 11:19:48 PM
That timeout made no sense. The Raiders were fine with the tie at that point.

I disagree. It made no difference. The Raiders were going to run only one more play no matter what. If it was stopped, the clock runs out. If they had a nice gain, they’d kick the FG.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 09, 2022, 11:23:30 PM
I disagree. It made no difference. The Raiders were going to run only one more play no matter what. If it was stopped, the clock runs out. If they had a nice gain, they’d kick the FG.

This was how I saw it too.  I thought they called it right before the snap to make sure their defense was ready and didn't give up... the exact kind of big run they gave up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
I disagree. It made no difference. The Raiders were going to run only one more play no matter what. If it was stopped, the clock runs out. If they had a nice gain, they’d kick the FG.

Carr just said it absolutely changed their mindset.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 09, 2022, 11:26:45 PM
That timeout made no sense. The Raiders were fine with the tie at that point.

Based upon what evidence or logic? Likely the Raiders we’re running and LA didn’t have the look they wanted. These are pros, they weren’t going to kneel, they were playing to win.

Plus, a win meant Cincy, a tie KC. LV knew that.

LA had terrible play calling on their drive inside the 25.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2022, 11:30:18 PM
Based upon what evidence or logic? Likely the Raiders we’re running and LA didn’t have the look they wanted. These are pros, they weren’t going to kneel, they were playing to win.

Plus, a win meant Cincy, a tie KC. LV knew that.

LA had terrible play calling on their drive inside the 25.

Here ya go…

https://twitter.com/billym_91/status/1480409566395387911?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 09, 2022, 11:31:18 PM
Time out was dumb.

Decision to kick the FG might have been even dumber. At that point, literally the ONLY way the Raiders miss the playoffs is if the kick is blocked and returned for a TD.

I guess both teams deserve kudos for playing to win?

One of the weirdest situations I've seen, and a truly crazy end to a crazy NFL weekend.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 09, 2022, 11:32:56 PM
I just don't get the difference the timeout had on the Raiders strategy - after playing to win all game they shifted into playing for the tie in the last minute, then back to playing to win because they were mad about the TO?  I think that if Jacobs picks up that yardage, Chargers timeout or no timeout, theyre kicking that field goal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 09, 2022, 11:36:03 PM
Here ya go…

https://twitter.com/billym_91/status/1480409566395387911?s=21

And now, the rest of the story

https://twitter.com/davebirkett/status/1480412488998998017

“We knew, no matter what, we didn't want a tie. We wanted to win the football game."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 09, 2022, 11:36:27 PM
I just don't get the difference the timeout had on the Raiders strategy - after playing to win all game they shifted into playing for the tie in the last minute, then back to playing to win because they were mad about the TO?  I think that if Jacobs picks up that yardage, Chargers timeout or no timeout, theyre kicking that field goal.

I don't think so either. There were 4 seconds on the playclock. Stop him and everyone goes away happy
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 09, 2022, 11:42:10 PM
And now, the rest of the story

https://twitter.com/davebirkett/status/1480412488998998017

“We knew, no matter what, we didn't want a tie. We wanted to win the football game."

Ekler: “Were you gonna kneel it?”
Sieg: “Yeah.”
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 09, 2022, 11:44:49 PM
Ekler: “Were you gonna kneel it?”
Sieg: “Yeah.”

I trust this exchange more than I trust whatever anybody (especially the coach) claims at a press conference.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 09, 2022, 11:50:22 PM
I don't think you ever intentionally play for a tie against a division rival unless you have to.

Would LaFleur & Rodgers play for a tie if it meant letting the Bears into the playoffs when you have the ability to knock them out? Not in a million years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2022, 12:05:40 AM
Crazy game, an all timer.

Now on to what should be a crazy round of playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 10, 2022, 12:07:39 AM
I don't think you ever intentionally play for a tie against a division rival unless you have to.

Would LaFleur & Rodgers play for a tie if it meant letting the Bears into the playoffs when you have the ability to knock them out? Not in a million years.

Have you ever watched the Packers special teams?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 10, 2022, 12:13:33 AM
<Fart noise>
Kudos to the Raiders for playing to win. Blame Staley for thinking he's smarter than the average bear and getting burned by it.

Hmm, I was only half paying attention so I completely missed that it was the Chargers who called time out.

Given that, I will change my position to a neutral one.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 07:37:17 AM
Ekler: “Were you gonna kneel it?”
Sieg: “Yeah.”


But they were in shotgun when they called the TO.  I mean, you *can* kneel from the shotgun I guess.

I guess when it comes down to it, the timeout wasn't the problem.  It was their inability to stop the run on the next play that was the problem.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 10, 2022, 08:13:42 AM
Spelman and Zimmer out in Minnesota.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2022, 08:21:16 AM
Nagy out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2022, 08:32:27 AM
Stunner: Flores OUT in Miami
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2022, 08:33:05 AM
Ryan Pace fired.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 10, 2022, 08:33:47 AM
Schefter reporting Pace fired as well.  Minutes after Peter Schrager was saying he’d have a role in selecting the new coach. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 08:37:22 AM
Stunner: Flores OUT in Miami


This is ridiculous. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 08:40:50 AM
Stunner: Flores OUT in Miami

I think the record was misleading. I had put a list of the QBs they beat in their 7 game streak on Scoop. That didn’t even count the 2 Wins over a rookie QB.

Still very surprising.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 08:42:27 AM
The team has little talent.  Miami was punching above their weight.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 10, 2022, 08:43:59 AM
I don't think you ever intentionally play for a tie against a division rival unless you have to.

Would LaFleur & Rodgers play for a tie if it meant letting the Bears into the playoffs when you have the ability to knock them out? Not in a million years.
The Steelers were delighted that the Raiders kicked the field goal. Now they are in the playoffs .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 08:44:21 AM
Is it fair to assume that the two NFC Divisional Round game will be on Sunday since two Wild Card games are on Sunday with another Monday night?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 10, 2022, 08:49:41 AM
I think the record was misleading. I had put a list of the QBs they beat in their 7 game streak on Scoop. That didn’t even count the 2 Wins over a rookie QB.

Still very surprising.

With the state of quarterbacking in the NFL, I feel you can do that with a few teams wins. Their losing streak came with Brissett under center for about half of them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 10, 2022, 09:03:59 AM
Id be shocked if Flores doesn't get hired in this cycle
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CountryRoads on January 10, 2022, 09:05:10 AM
I don't think you ever intentionally play for a tie against a division rival unless you have to.

Would LaFleur & Rodgers play for a tie if it meant letting the Bears into the playoffs when you have the ability to knock them out? Not in a million years.

Would the raiders have gotten a lower seed if they had just let the time run out and played for a tie? If so, then I think it makes sense to kick the field goal. If it was meaningless to their seed, then I think they voluntarily and unnecessarily opened themselves up to a potential disaster (blocked field goal, etc). Even though the chance of that is very small, it went from 100% in the playoffs to some value slightly lower than 100%. Maybe beating the division rival and knocking them out was worth the risk like you mentioned.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 10, 2022, 09:08:34 AM
Would the raiders have gotten a lower seed if they had just let the time run out and played for a tie? If so, then I think it makes sense to kick the field goal. If it was meaningless to their seed, then I think they voluntarily and unnecessarily opened themselves up to a potential disaster (blocked field goal, etc). Even though the chance of that is very small, it went from 100% in the playoffs to some value slightly lower than 100%. Maybe beating the division rival and knocking them out was worth the risk like you mentioned.

Yes.
If they tied, they were the 7 seed playing at KC.
By winning, they became the 5 seed playing at Cincy.
So, there was incentive to win.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: pbiflyer on January 10, 2022, 09:10:36 AM
The team has little talent.  Miami was punching above their weight.

Yet they are keeping the personnel director and head of football operations Grier.  >:(

Ross is a disaster of an owner.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 09:14:23 AM
Yet they are keeping the personnel director and head of football operations Grier.  >:(

Ross is a disaster of an owner.

Exactly.  They have squandered all of the draft capital that they had built up, and are blaming the coach instead of those who were doing the drafting.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 10, 2022, 09:15:03 AM
Yes.
If they tied, they were the 7 seed playing at KC.
By winning, they became the 5 seed playing at Cincy.
So, there was incentive to win.

Good point. Most teams would rather play at Cinci than at KC.

And yet it does seem they were willing to settle for the tie, and having to play at KC, because they likely would have taken a knee had that run not produced a first down.

Such an interesting situation last night, so much to think about. Not easy being a coach!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 10, 2022, 09:22:10 AM
Good point. Most teams would rather play at Cinci than at KC.

And yet it does seem they were willing to settle for the tie, and having to play at KC, because they likely would have taken a knee had that run not produced a first down.

Such an interesting situation last night, so much to think about. Not easy being a coach!

Raiders were outscored 89-13 in their two losses to the Chiefs, so you can understand why they'd want to avoid a third game with them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 09:27:52 AM
Good point. Most teams would rather play at Cinci than at KC.

And yet it does seem they were willing to settle for the tie, and having to play at KC, because they likely would have taken a knee had that run not produced a first down.

Such an interesting situation last night, so much to think about. Not easy being a coach!


The Raiders didn't look like they were going to take a knee at any point.  As I mentioned, on the third and four where the Chargers took the TO, the Raiders came out in shotgun.  Who takes a knee out of shotgun?  They took the TO to set up their defense.  The defense then failed. 

The reason the Chargers lost was due to not executing correctly.  Not taking the timeout.  Had they stopped the Raiders for no gain, my guess is that no kick is even attempted.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 10, 2022, 09:50:24 AM

The Raiders didn't look like they were going to take a knee at any point.  As I mentioned, on the third and four where the Chargers took the TO, the Raiders came out in shotgun.  Who takes a knee out of shotgun?  They took the TO to set up their defense.  The defense then failed. 

The reason the Chargers lost was due to not executing correctly.  Not taking the timeout.  Had they stopped the Raiders for no gain, my guess is that no kick is even attempted.

I'm not a lip reader, but a lot of people seem to think this is the Raiders long snapper telling Austin Ekeler they were going to take a knee before the timeout. They played at the same high school, so there's a relationship there.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/was_austin_ekeler_told_by_trent_sieg_that_raiders_were_playing_for_tie/s1_127_36943358

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 10, 2022, 09:54:15 AM

The Raiders didn't look like they were going to take a knee at any point.  As I mentioned, on the third and four where the Chargers took the TO, the Raiders came out in shotgun.  Who takes a knee out of shotgun?  They took the TO to set up their defense.  The defense then failed. 

The reason the Chargers lost was due to not executing correctly.  Not taking the timeout.  Had they stopped the Raiders for no gain, my guess is that no kick is even attempted.

I'm talking about that if the Chargers had stopped that run, the Raiders then would have taken a knee.

Agree that there were a zillion reasons the Chargers lost.

What's interesting is that their coach seems like a bigly gambler ... yet needing only 2 yards to clinch a playoff spot, he opted to play it safe and rely on a coin flip.

As I said, such an interesting game with all those scenarios. I've never seen anything quite like it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 09:54:19 AM
Well I have no idea what is being said there.  But if they are going to take a knee, why not just take a knee like normal?  Why line up in shotgun?  It logically doesn't make a lot of sense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 09:55:15 AM
I'm talking about that if the Chargers had stopped that run, the Raiders then would have taken a knee.


It would have been fourth down.  They wouldn't have taken a knee.  They would have just let the clock run out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2022, 10:02:48 AM
Well I have no idea what is being said there.  But if they are going to take a knee, why not just take a knee like normal?  Why line up in shotgun?  It logically doesn't make a lot of sense.

You’re not wrong, but this is pretty telling.

https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/1480431316579454980?s=21

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 10, 2022, 10:05:50 AM
Flores to Chicago would be wonderful
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 10, 2022, 10:06:18 AM
https://twitter.com/Johnathan_Wood1/status/1480570304648945665?t=nA7PINYUDqKOPtcbEs4_SQ&s=19
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 10, 2022, 10:22:04 AM
You’re not wrong, but this is pretty telling.

https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/1480431316579454980?s=21

I think it depends on the big run he’s talking about. I think he’s talking about the 7 yarder that got them to the Chargers 39 after the Chargers didn’t call a timeout on the one yard loss. Instead of taking a knee there, they lined up in shotgun and the Chargers called a timeout.

So to me, it seems like if the Chargers stopped the second to last run and let the clock run, they may have taken a knee. However, once they got into a long field goal, they lined up in shotgun and were planning on a field goal regardless.

I take his answer to mean the timeout didn’t change their course. It was the play before that kept them from running out the clock. Granted, that doesn’t match Carr’s comment about it changing their mentality.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 10, 2022, 10:30:47 AM

It would have been fourth down.  They wouldn't have taken a knee.  They would have just let the clock run out.

Sure. Essentially the same thing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 10:31:37 AM
Flores to Chicago would be wonderful


The have to get the organization right first.  This is why teams should make these moves before the end of the year.  And maybe they did in their minds and kept it quiet, but this is the Bears so I doubt it.

This is why I have been saying that their is no pride in letter a coach fill out the season.  They should have gotten both out in December and started interviews with GM candidates.  Now they are under the gun and doing it quickly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 10:32:13 AM
Sure. Essentially the same thing.

It isn't.  If you take a knee on fourth down, the clock stops on the change of possession. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 10:37:44 AM
The team has little talent.  Miami was punching above their weight.

Agreed. I think the problem is the front office a lot more than the head  coach.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 10:44:36 AM
I'm not a lip reader, but a lot of people seem to think this is the Raiders long snapper telling Austin Ekeler they were going to take a knee before the timeout. They played at the same high school, so there's a relationship there.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/was_austin_ekeler_told_by_trent_sieg_that_raiders_were_playing_for_tie/s1_127_36943358

I'm sure he HC discussed his strategy with the long snapper. ?-(
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 10, 2022, 10:46:02 AM
On Flores, is it possible that ownership is planning on bringing in Deshaun Watson and Flores was committed to Tua? Flores should be picked up by one of the several openings out there
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 10, 2022, 10:53:02 AM
Stunner: Flores OUT in Miami

Let's see if Ross goes to his Michigan pipeline.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 10, 2022, 10:54:25 AM
I'm sure he HC discussed his strategy with the long snapper. ?-(

Because if you were planning to kick a field goal all along, the long snapper would be the last person to know.  ::)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 10, 2022, 10:55:21 AM
Let's see if Ross goes to his Michigan pipeline.

Ross already came out and said he’s not hiring Harbaugh.

Flores was the reason Watson wanted to play for Miami, so it stands to reason that window might have shut
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 10, 2022, 10:57:30 AM
Let's see if Ross goes to his Michigan pipeline.

Ross fired Flores knowing he would get hired by the Bears to keep Harbaugh at Michigan. 

If I had faith in the organization that they had a home run hire lined up that would be one thing.  But I'm sure that's not the case so the odds that they end up with someone better than Flores is < 50%.  I do like what Grier has done so I'm glad he's staying.  But this seems like disruption for the sake of disruption which is the exact opposite of what the org needs.  They don't need a shakeup, they need some consistency.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 10, 2022, 10:57:59 AM
Flores was the reason Watson wanted to play for Miami, so it stands to reason that window might have shut

Aaron Rodgers is making the next Dolphins head coaching pick.  (teal... i think?)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 10:59:32 AM
Because if you were planning to kick a field goal all along, the long snapper would be the last person to know.  ::)

His job is to snap the ball. It was an end of game situation. A time out was always going to be called if they were going to kick. There is no need for the long snapper to be in on the coaching decision.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 11:00:34 AM
Aaron Rodgers is making the next Dolphins head coaching pick.  (teal... i think?)

You better say 'teal'. He's actually picking the next Denver coach.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 10, 2022, 11:01:37 AM

The have to get the organization right first.  This is why teams should make these moves before the end of the year.  And maybe they did in their minds and kept it quiet, but this is the Bears so I doubt it.

This is why I have been saying that their is no pride in letter a coach fill out the season.  They should have gotten both out in December and started interviews with GM candidates.  Now they are under the gun and doing it quickly.

The org is terrible. They'll drag out this decision and make the final choice on some antiquated rationale like a mock press conference.

Or, possibly, they won't do any due diligence at all and rely on a "consultant" from their good ole boys club to suggest someone.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 10, 2022, 11:15:17 AM
His job is to snap the ball. It was an end of game situation. A time out was always going to be called if they were going to kick. There is no need for the long snapper to be in on the coaching decision.

I have no idea what the Raiders strategy there was or whether it changed because of the time out, but it's not at all outlandish for the specialists (i.e. snapper, holder, kicker) in that situation to be made aware of the intentions during a time out. Especially when the head coach is also the special teams coach.
What is outlandish is to think they'd have been kept out of the loop.
Regardless, the HC said he was thinking about playing for the tie until the Chargers timeout. He may have gone for the win with or without the timeout, but it was clear he was weighing the tie option.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 10, 2022, 11:26:35 AM
This is a good article. Contrary to my earlier thought, it seems the last run was the one the Raiders HC was talking about.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33032641/raiders-win-make-nfl-playoffs-did-chargers-blow-teams-played-tie-wild-ending-explained
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 10, 2022, 11:43:41 AM
Dave Gettleman retiring as Giants GM.
One would think this also spells the end for Joe Judge.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 11:50:19 AM
I have no idea what the Raiders strategy there was or whether it changed because of the time out, but it's not at all outlandish for the specialists (i.e. snapper, holder, kicker) in that situation to be made aware of the intentions during a time out. Especially when the head coach is also the special teams coach.
What is outlandish is to think they'd have been kept out of the loop.
Regardless, the HC said he was thinking about playing for the tie until the Chargers timeout. He may have gone for the win with or without the timeout, but it was clear he was weighing the tie option.

Then we agree. I was talking about him being in on the strategy before the TO was taken. Being in the shotgun meant they weren't taking a knee. The TO didn't change anything. They were going to run the ball and if they got enough yards (they did), then they would kick.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 11:51:37 AM
Dave Gettleman retiring as Giants GM.
One would think this also spells the end for Joe Judge.

Do you think he 'retired'? Or was he given that option to save face?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 11:59:22 AM
Staley's postgame news conference made his intentions clear. The Chargers called timeout because they wanted to get their best run defenders on the field to stop the run they knew was coming.



Because of the clock and the down situation, the Raiders were only going to run one play. Period. Only once they got the big run, then the FG came into play.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 10, 2022, 01:06:01 PM
This is a good article. Contrary to my earlier thought, it seems the last run was the one the Raiders HC was talking about.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33032641/raiders-win-make-nfl-playoffs-did-chargers-blow-teams-played-tie-wild-ending-explained

brilliant stuff indeed. But conspiracy theories are more fun so people are going to run that for years.

You know, because the Raiders really wanted to play at KC and apparently no idea that's what would happen if they took a knee out of the shotgun...until the time out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2022, 01:30:02 PM
This George McCaskey press conference is so Bears. He should never be allowed to speak. This is the core problem, the family has no idea what they are doing. They’re fans who are from the lucky sperm club.

It’s sooooo bad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 10, 2022, 01:34:23 PM
This George McCaskey press conference is so Bears. He should never be allowed to speak. This is the core problem, the family has no idea what they are doing. They’re fans who are from the lucky sperm club.

It’s sooooo bad.

https://twitter.com/sean_hammond/status/1480622287917404165?t=N-Ldsnl_HMGiUn8tsy4LYQ&s=19

Also this:

https://twitter.com/AaronLemingNFL/status/1480620829666861064?t=OQcabcJAnE34HSAUJSR50w&s=19
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 10, 2022, 01:37:42 PM
Za’Darius Smith could be back for the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 10, 2022, 01:39:02 PM
Leslie Frazier?

When was the last time a HC was fired for poor performance and then succeeded in another HC role?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 10, 2022, 01:40:51 PM
Bill Belichick comes to mind.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2022, 01:42:28 PM
In case you were wondering, Bill Polian wrote a book.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MDMU04 on January 10, 2022, 01:43:04 PM
This George McCaskey press conference is so Bears. He should never be allowed to speak. This is the core problem, the family has no idea what they are doing. They’re fans who are from the lucky sperm club.

It’s sooooo bad.

As a lifelong Bears fan, I just want to go on record saying how much I hate the Bears.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 10, 2022, 01:43:53 PM
As a lifelong Bears fan, I just want to go on record saying how much I hate the Bears.

If Leslie Frazier gets the job, I’ll actually pity Bears fans
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 10, 2022, 01:46:19 PM
unnatural carnal knowledgeing Polian, McCaskey, and Phillips.

Welp, can’t wait to revisit this topic in another three years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MDMU04 on January 10, 2022, 01:46:42 PM
If Leslie Frazier gets the job, I’ll actually pity Bears fans

Lovie Smith would be a better hire.  I don't know if I'm kidding or not.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 10, 2022, 01:48:06 PM
https://twitter.com/jacobinfante24/status/1480625099745239047?t=Dlf4JW_kftChtyuiq5uoRQ&s=19

Bill polian leading the bears search!!

This ownership sucks.

This same situation will present in 5/6 years.

They're searching for GM and coach at same time. Makes sense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 10, 2022, 01:50:46 PM
It’s kinda mean to say, but the truth is the Bears will not change until Virginia McCaskey is dead.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 10, 2022, 01:51:38 PM
Lovie Smith would be a better hire.  I don't know if I'm kidding or not.

Get the GM first and let him hire the coach.  Don’t rush to make a bad hire in fear of losing someone.

The Vikings hired Brad Childress in 2006 before he could interview with GB in fear he’d take the Packers job
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 10, 2022, 01:54:04 PM
I'm devastated to lose Nagy/Pace + Zimmer/Spielman. Packers should be on the phone with Zimmer immediately as a defensive assistant.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 10, 2022, 01:56:00 PM
It’s kinda mean to say, but the truth is the Bears will not change until Virginia McCaskey is dead.
Its not mean at all.  Its 100% the truth.  She won't dispose of Simple George or Ted Phillips, so nothing will change short of them getting really lucky with a GM hire.

Ive always gotten the impression that the McCaskeys as a whole are not very intelligent.  Not like "oh you idiots" when you dont agree with them.  Not "smart guys just over their head" when you see people from other professions or business paths struggle in professional sports.  But rather, not just lucky sperm, but fairly low IQ as well...Virginia included
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 10, 2022, 01:57:34 PM
So, bears ownership admitting they don't know a thing when it comes to running a franchise. So they hire other old washed up "football guys" as consultants to suggest coach/GM hires. Then ownership can point the finger when it doesn't work out. Rinse and repeat every 5-8 years.

Pathetic.

Polian thought Lamar Jackson would be better as a WR. Also thought Chad Kelley was the best QB in the 2017 class.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2022, 01:59:30 PM
George calls out Olin Kreutz.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 10, 2022, 01:59:56 PM
Justin Fields is going to be an all-pro H-back
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2022, 02:03:02 PM
That was an eff’n catastrophe. My god.

I’m not surprised, just continually massively disappointed.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 10, 2022, 02:07:34 PM
George calls out Olin Kreutz.

Not just that, but called him a liar.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 10, 2022, 02:08:15 PM
https://twitter.com/danwiederer/status/1479107927830982659?t=d73m4PPdhAlTQr_iHUxSPA&s=19

Public perception of this team. Sheesh.

Why would anyone with self-respect/other options choose to come to Chicago?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 02:15:27 PM
That was an eff’n catastrophe. My god.

I’m not surprised, just continually massively disappointed.

As a Packer fan, I feel better today than yesterday. Good to know that the same guys who have screwed up this organization will be making all the decisions. Above all, make sure old white guys make the choices.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 02:17:33 PM
Also good to know that mommy said "good job, Georgie".
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2022, 02:20:38 PM
To recap the Bears press conference:

-Opened up admonishing small group of fans
- Admitted he doesn’t know football, he’s “just a football fan”. Even though their ENTIRE SOLE business is running a football team.
-Plugged Bill Polian’s book not once, but twice
-Ended with George calling a former borderline HOF player “a liar”

Everything is fine.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 10, 2022, 02:24:21 PM
To recap the Bears press conference:

-Opened up admonishing small group of fans
- Admitted he doesn’t know football, he’s “just a football fan”. Even though their ENTIRE SOLE business is running a football team.
-Plugged Bill Polian’s book not once, but twice
-Ended with George calling a former borderline HOF player “a liar”

Everything is fine.

Got a Ditka mention in, so that’s a plus
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on January 10, 2022, 02:33:02 PM
To recap the Bears press conference:

-Opened up admonishing small group of fans
- Admitted he doesn’t know football, he’s “just a football fan”. Even though their ENTIRE SOLE business is running a football team.
-Plugged Bill Polian’s book not once, but twice
-Ended with George calling a former borderline HOF player “a liar”

Everything is fine.

Virginia is 99. That's the only bright side with Bears ownership.

I know how things are going to play out with the GM/HC searches. I'm more interested to see how George & Co. screw up the Arlington Heights site.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 10, 2022, 02:36:44 PM
Quinn-tricia are available.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 02:41:41 PM
This Packer fan wishes the Bears could get it together.  It's fun when that rivalry means something.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 02:44:05 PM
To recap the Bears press conference:

-Opened up admonishing small group of fans
- Admitted he doesn’t know football, he’s “just a football fan”. Even though their ENTIRE SOLE business is running a football team.
-Plugged Bill Polian’s book not once, but twice
-Ended with George calling a former borderline HOF player “a liar”

Everything is fine.


A former player who is also a part-time media member in the same market.  How stupid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 10, 2022, 02:50:37 PM
This Packer fan wishes the Bears could get it together.  It's fun when that rivalry means something.

Whenever Rodgers leaves - be that this year or 7 years from now - I think it'll mean plenty in a fight for 3rd.

For now, I will get my popcorn ready for the circus.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 10, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
https://twitter.com/cemma670/status/1480642204456660995?s=21

Kreutz is a guy that would actually punch George in the face as well.

Have no interest in buying bears tickets, but I would happily throw down for a McCaskey vs. Kreutz PPV boxing match.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 02:59:08 PM
Whenever Rodgers leaves - be that this year or 7 years from now - I think it'll mean plenty in a fight for 3rd.

For now, I will get my popcorn ready for the circus.


I actually have confidence that the group running the Packers now would mean a shorter bounce-back. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 03:02:50 PM
This Packer fan wishes the Bears could get it together.  It's fun when that rivalry means something.

Yes, it's good for the League and both teams if the Bears are good. They should be our main rival - not the Queens.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 10, 2022, 03:04:57 PM
To recap the Bears press conference:

-Opened up admonishing small group of fans
- Admitted he doesn’t know football, he’s “just a football fan”. Even though their ENTIRE SOLE business is running a football team.
-Plugged Bill Polian’s book not once, but twice
-Ended with George calling a former borderline HOF player “a liar”

Everything is fine.

"I'm just a fan."
also
"I'm the guy making the final decision on the next GM."

Way to inspire confidence.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 10, 2022, 03:17:12 PM
We always hear "the AD has a list of coach candidates" or the GM has a list of managers that he would hire".

It sounded to me like the Bears are going to post the job on indeed.com and see who applies. 

So passive, incompetent, and frustrating.  If I wasn't so damned intrenched in hate for the packers, I would switch teams.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 10, 2022, 03:19:40 PM
We always hear "the AD has a list of coach candidates" or the GM has a list of managers that he would hire".

It sounded to me like the Bears are going to post the job on indeed.com and see who applies. 

So passive, incompetent, and frustrating.  If I wasn't so damned intrenched in hate for the packers, I would switch teams.

Even more ridiculous is that they seem to be doing a coaching search concurrently.

What qualified GM is gonna want to come in with a coach already in place? Or what qualified coach would want a job not knowing who is boss is?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 10, 2022, 03:27:08 PM
Even more ridiculous is that they seem to be doing a coaching search concurrently.

What qualified GM is gonna want to come in with a coach already in place? Or what qualified coach would want a job not knowing who is boss is?

Does it matter? I thought being qualified was a non-starter.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 03:43:05 PM
I don't think its a bad idea that an owner hires a consultant to help with a GM search.  I just think its funny that they trot out 80 year old Bill Polian who peaked as a GM 20 years ago.

But the concurrent search for a head coach is just dumb.  Bad organizations think too often that it's that one position that is going to make the difference between winning and losing.  But IMO the GM is the most important hire here.  (Actually what's more important is that the owners have a philosophy about how a team should be run and a culture that supports that philosophy, but Ginny says her kid is good so that's a non-starter.)  Get a GM in the door who fits whatever your philosophy is and let them hire the coach. 

Didn't they do this when they hired Pace?  Wasn't John Fox hired and Pace basically had to work with him?  Why would you make that same mistake again?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 04:11:09 PM
We always hear "the AD has a list of coach candidates" or the GM has a list of managers that he would hire".

It sounded to me like the Bears are going to post the job on indeed.com and see who applies. 

So passive, incompetent, and frustrating.  If I wasn't so damned intrenched in hate for the packers, I would switch teams.

He also emphasized that the new GM will be in charge of all football operations.

But if he sees a coach he really likes, he may hire him 1st.

Hmmmm
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 10, 2022, 04:21:59 PM
Bears have put in an interview request for Colts director of college scouting Morocco Brown. Previously worked for the Bears from 2001-07.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 10, 2022, 04:26:43 PM
I don't think its a bad idea that an owner hires a consultant to help with a GM search.  I just think its funny that they trot out 80 year old Bill Polian who peaked as a GM 20 years ago.

But the concurrent search for a head coach is just dumb.  Bad organizations think too often that it's that one position that is going to make the difference between winning and losing.  But IMO the GM is the most important hire here.  (Actually what's more important is that the owners have a philosophy about how a team should be run and a culture that supports that philosophy, but Ginny says her kid is good so that's a non-starter.)  Get a GM in the door who fits whatever your philosophy is and let them hire the coach. 

Didn't they do this when they hired Pace?  Wasn't John Fox hired and Pace basically had to work with him?  Why would you make that same mistake again?

Because you don't understand what you're doing. Your consultant at the time told you it was the right thing to do.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on January 10, 2022, 04:29:25 PM
I don't think its a bad idea that an owner hires a consultant to help with a GM search.  I just think its funny that they trot out 80 year old Bill Polian who peaked as a GM 20 years ago.

But the concurrent search for a head coach is just dumb.  Bad organizations think too often that it's that one position that is going to make the difference between winning and losing.  But IMO the GM is the most important hire here.  (Actually what's more important is that the owners have a philosophy about how a team should be run and a culture that supports that philosophy, but Ginny says her kid is good so that's a non-starter.)  Get a GM in the door who fits whatever your philosophy is and let them hire the coach. 

Didn't they do this when they hired Pace?  Wasn't John Fox hired and Pace basically had to work with him?  Why would you make that same mistake again?

Basically, yes.

In 2015, George hired Ernie Accorsi to lead the GM search. Bears hired Pace first. As reported now, Pace's top HC choice was Dan Quinn, but he was still coaching with the Seahawks in the playoffs. As that happened, John Fox gets canned in Denver, after blowing a home playoff game to Indy.

Fox is old buddies with Accorsi. Accorsi then leans on George to hire Fox as coach. The newly acquired Pace (about a week on the job), has Accorsi and McCaskey telling him Fox would be a great hire. Pace hires Fox.

This is the collaboration model that the Bears love to talk about. George is a moron. The current search will be a fiasco as well. You're absolute right about timing and having concurrent searches for GM and HC.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 10, 2022, 04:52:57 PM
Bears have put in an interview request for Colts director of college scouting Morocco Brown. Previously worked for the Bears from 2001-07.

Requested to talk to Leslie Frazier as well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 04:58:10 PM
Bears are showing why good teams continue to be good and bad teams continue to be bad.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 10, 2022, 05:02:43 PM
We always hear "the AD has a list of coach candidates" or the GM has a list of managers that he would hire".

It sounded to me like the Bears are going to post the job on indeed.com and see who applies. 

So passive, incompetent, and frustrating.  If I wasn't so damned intrenched in hate for the packers, I would switch teams.

Even worse, they had basically all season to prepare for this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 10, 2022, 05:05:23 PM
Bears are showing why good teams continue to be good and bad teams continue to be bad.

I’ll say this, Steelers fans should be grateful their old guard ownership hasn't gone the way of the McCaskey and Mara families
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 10, 2022, 05:11:06 PM
Ford family?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 10, 2022, 05:18:15 PM
Ford family?

Them, too
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 10, 2022, 06:05:41 PM
Chicago 670 talking about giving GM responsibility to Josh McDaniel or Brian Flores. Or trading a first rounder for a home run hire (what first rounder?).

To be clear, I think Flores would be a home run coaching hire, but the list of coaches that have been successful as their own GM this millenia is approximately 1.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 10, 2022, 06:32:06 PM
Leslie Frazier?

When was the last time a HC was fired for poor performance and then succeeded in another HC role?

Besides BB, Pete Carroll comes to mind.  But in both cases they were in their early 40s when they struggled.  Leslie Frazier was in his 50s and had been a DC in the NFL for a decade.  Hard pass on a guy in his 60s who struck out the first time.

Flores is top of my wish list but in no way do I want him as GM as well.  McDaniels?  Hell no.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 10, 2022, 06:36:07 PM
Chicago 670 talking about giving GM responsibility to Josh McDaniel or Brian Flores. Or trading a first rounder for a home run hire (what first rounder?).

To be clear, I think Flores would be a home run coaching hire, but the list of coaches that have been successful as their own GM this millenia is approximately 1.


Ah.  The Great Man Theory of football management.  Usually those are reserved for desperate franchises who have run out of ideas...so the Bears check that box.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 10, 2022, 06:45:20 PM
Besides BB, Pete Carroll comes to mind.  But in both cases they were in their early 40s when they struggled.  Leslie Frazier was in his 50s and had been a DC in the NFL for a decade.  Hard pass on a guy in his 60s who struck out the first time.

Flores is top of my wish list but in no way do I want him as GM as well.  McDaniels?  Hell no.

Okay. So, 2. Maybe a couple more.

The odds aren't great, it would seem.

Don't get a retread.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 10, 2022, 06:49:10 PM
Chicago 670 talking about giving GM responsibility to Josh McDaniel or Brian Flores. Or trading a first rounder for a home run hire (what first rounder?).

To be clear, I think Flores would be a home run coaching hire, but the list of coaches that have been successful as their own GM this millenia is approximately 1.

We'll take your 2nd rounder for Matt Rhule!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 10, 2022, 07:39:13 PM
@AdamSchefter: Chicago has requested permission to interview Bills’ OC Brian Daboll for the Bears’ HC job, per source.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 10, 2022, 09:13:19 PM
@AdamSchefter: Chicago has requested permission to interview Bills’ OC Brian Daboll for the Bears’ HC job, per source.

Looking at his resume, that seems like a decent option. Did he play a big role in Josh Allen?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 10, 2022, 09:18:13 PM
Looking at his resume, that seems like a decent option. Did he play a big role in Josh Allen?

I mean, he has a history of working with QBs and he was Allen’s OC since he entered the league, so you’d have to think so. 

He was an intriguing name for me going into this year.  The inconsistency of the Bills hasn’t been great but he’s got pretty solid bonafides
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 10, 2022, 09:39:18 PM
Wojo's available!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 10, 2022, 09:46:45 PM
Bears GM candidates so far include 2 guys from Cleveland and 1 from indy
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 11, 2022, 08:31:00 AM
Bears GM candidates so far include 2 guys from Cleveland and 1 from indy

Coaching candidates are both bills coordinators and both Bucs coordinators
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 11, 2022, 08:57:35 AM
Coaching candidates are both bills coordinators and both Bucs coordinators
Those 4  are solid prospects.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 11, 2022, 09:03:47 AM
@TomPelissero

The #Bears put in an interview request for #Colts DC Matt Eberflus, source said.
One of the NFL's most respected assistants, Eberflus also will interview with the #Jaguars on Saturday.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 11, 2022, 10:37:56 AM
Remember-George and Ted are making the decisions. This should NOT be about finding the ‘hot name’.

I would bet the majority of GB fans had never heard of Gutey or LaFleur before they were hired. Matt wasn’t just hired for his X’s and O’s  He is a born leader.

I think the only way you get the right people in Chicago is by getting lucky. Those at the top haven’t changed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 11, 2022, 11:09:37 AM
They won’t hire him, but I would hire Dave Toub.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 11, 2022, 12:01:12 PM
Remember-George and Ted are making the decisions. This should NOT be about finding the ‘hot name’.

I would bet the majority of GB fans had never heard of Gutey or LaFleur before they were hired. Matt wasn’t just hired for his X’s and O’s  He is a born leader.

I think the only way you get the right people in Chicago is by getting lucky. Those at the top haven’t changed.

I disagree about Gutey. He had been with the Packers since 98 and was highly thought of. Although other names like Schneider, McKenzie, and Dorsey might have been more top of mind due to being GMs elsewhere. Wolf obviously due to his dad.

Agreed on Lafleur. I thought the same about McCarthy especially with their respective offensive ranks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 11, 2022, 12:24:52 PM
It really is hard to tell what exactly they are looking for in a head coach.  All the candidates mentioned have been...fine...but the real key is what they are going to do offensively if they hire a defensive minded coach like Eberflus or Flores. 

And in the end they may end up getting a good GM and coach, but the process they are following sure makes it harder.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 11, 2022, 12:26:08 PM
No, I agree with you about Gutey. He was very well respected in GB - I meant that he wasn't a hot name league-wide and most had never heard of him. I certainly don't follow a lot of guys who work under a GM.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 11, 2022, 12:29:12 PM
It really is hard to tell what exactly they are looking for in a head coach.  All the candidates mentioned have been...fine...but the real key is what they are going to do offensively if they hire a defensive minded coach like Eberflus or Flores. 

And in the end they may end up getting a good GM and coach, but the process they are following sure makes it harder.

What's your opinion on the most important quality for a HC? I think all of these guys mentioned by the bears know their x's and o's. Should that be the priority or are real leadership qualities even more important?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2022, 12:43:10 PM
Know how to lead and motivate and manage egos, know a lot about every phase of football even if you're not an expert on both sides of the ball, and hire great coordinators and let them do their thing. That's a good recipe for any NFL coach, whether he has been a DC, OC or whatever in the past.

John Harbaugh was a special-teams and defensive-backs coach; he's been a pretty good NFL coach. Belichick and Carroll were defensive guys but they've had some fine offensive teams. Brian Billick was considered an offensive guru but he won a Super Bowl despite a meh offense because he had a great defense. Bill Walsh was an offensive genius but his 49ers had outstanding defenses. And, of course, Ditka my friend. Etc etc etc. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 11, 2022, 01:28:28 PM
It would not surprise me if Bryon Leftwich  becomes a Head Coach this cycle and then brings along some of the excess offensive talent from The Bucs to his new team . Especially if the new team has cap room.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 11, 2022, 01:33:58 PM
Todd Bowles?  I mean WTF.  Dude crashed and burned literally 3 seasons ago.  I like Leftwich's potential a lot though.  He has a lot of attractive tools and experience

As for what makes a good HC, I agree, its management now, not being a great playcaller.  Manage your coordinators.  Manage your players.  Manage the game.

Look at a guy like Mike Tomlin.  Only had a year of being a coordinator.  But he's a consummate HC.  And while he was defensive in his experience, he has had A LOT of good offenses cause they get the right people running that side of the ball.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 11, 2022, 01:39:14 PM
Todd Bowles?  I mean WTF.  Dude crashed and burned literally 3 seasons ago.  I like Leftwich's potential a lot though.  He has a lot of attractive tools and experience

As for what makes a good HC, I agree, its management now, not being a great playcaller.  Manage your coordinators.  Manage your players.  Manage the game.

Look at a guy like Mike Tomlin.  Only had a year of being a coordinator.  But he's a consummate HC.  And while he was defensive in his experience, he has had A LOT of good offenses cause they get the right people running that side of the ball.
Todd Bowles gets a mulligan because he was coaching for a dysfunctional organization, The Jets . To me that qualifies him well for coaching the Bears .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 11, 2022, 01:42:55 PM
Agree with the above.

To me, it makes a lot more sense to hire a leader/CEO type. Someone who can manage the locker room/culture. Someone who can manage coordinators/staff. Let the coaches/coordinators get into the minutiae of playcall/scheme.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 11, 2022, 01:45:25 PM
It would not surprise me if Bryon Leftwich  becomes a Head Coach this cycle and then brings along some of the excess offensive talent from The Bucs to his new team . Especially if the new team has cap room.

The Jags make the most sense considering A) his having played there and B) his potential to develop Trevor Lawrence.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 11, 2022, 01:51:03 PM

Look at a guy like Mike Tomlin.  Only had a year of being a coordinator.  But he's a consummate HC.  And while he was defensive in his experience, he has had A LOT of good offenses cause they get the right people running that side of the ball.

I think being a leader is something one is born with. You either have that quality or you don’t. It’s what makes guys like Tomlin, BB, LaFluer, McVae, etc. such great coaches. They know HOW to lead and their authority is unquestioned. And they are all great football minds.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2022, 02:23:51 PM
Todd Bowles?  I mean WTF.  Dude crashed and burned literally 3 seasons ago.  I like Leftwich's potential a lot though.  He has a lot of attractive tools and experience

As for what makes a good HC, I agree, its management now, not being a great playcaller.  Manage your coordinators.  Manage your players.  Manage the game.

Look at a guy like Mike Tomlin.  Only had a year of being a coordinator.  But he's a consummate HC.  And while he was defensive in his experience, he has had A LOT of good offenses cause they get the right people running that side of the ball.

Yep. It's why I think stuff like, "I want a guy who's been a play-caller" is generally overrated. Now if you've got an Andy Reid, who is probably in the "offensive genius" category, maybe that's something else entirely. But in general, give me a coach who knows how to manage people, who is crazy-organized, who is good at delegating responsibility and holding people accountable, who stays cool under pressure when having to make huge in-game decisions, etc.

Tomlin is a great example of a coach who is very good at all the important stuff. He doesn't need to waste his time and energy calling plays. I'm sure the Steelers are glad they didn't go after whoever the hot, young offensive play-caller was at the time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 11, 2022, 02:39:31 PM
No, I agree with you about Gutey. He was very well respected in GB - I meant that he wasn't a hot name league-wide and most had never heard of him. I certainly don't follow a lot of guys who work under a GM.

I went to college with one of Guteys HS buddies.  Guess he can pound beers and was a huge Vikings fan growing up. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 11, 2022, 02:41:50 PM
No, I agree with you about Gutey. He was very well respected in GB - I meant that he wasn't a hot name league-wide and most had never heard of him. I certainly don't follow a lot of guys who work under a GM.

IIRC, San Francisco was sniffing around him prior to hiring John Lynch.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2022, 02:46:22 PM
I went to college with one of Guteys HS buddies.  Guess he can pound beers and was a huge Vikings fan growing up.

Sounds pretty much like every U of Minn student I knew.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 11, 2022, 03:40:11 PM
Up to date info on bears candidates:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/s1ffk5/gmhead_coach_interview_trackers/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 11, 2022, 03:40:48 PM
Sounds pretty much like every U of Minn student I knew.

Think he went to La Crosse
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 11, 2022, 03:44:59 PM
Think he went to La Crosse

Do college students in La Crosse drink beer?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 11, 2022, 03:54:50 PM
Regarding young, up-and-coming coordinators vs "leaders of men," I don't think there needs to be a distinction there. Pretty much every good "leader of men" NFL coach was at one point the young, up-and-comng coordinator, including guys like Belichick and Tomlin. The one notable exception may be John Harbaugh, who was a special teams guy before the Ravens hired him.
The risk is that it's usually impossible to know whether the young coordinator can become a good head coach until you make him a head coach.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 11, 2022, 04:12:51 PM
Do college students in La Crosse drink beer?

No.  It’s a UW school and students that are part of the UW system are 100% sober.  That’s why it’s so hard to get into Madison
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 11, 2022, 04:30:20 PM
Joe Judge has been fired.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 11, 2022, 04:48:07 PM
Joe Judge has been fired.

Once Gettleman "retired". it was only a matter of time.

I hear he may start a new league with all of the guys who called and said they wanted to play for him.

Seriously, though, it doesn't matter. Coaching is not the problem. Ownership is. When three coaches in a row that you hire are fired within 2 seasons, dysfunction is rampant at the top.

It is clearly evident why teams like the Giants, Jets, and Bears flounder year after year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 11, 2022, 05:12:20 PM
Once Gettleman "retired". it was only a matter of time.

I hear he may start a new league with all of the guys who called and said they wanted to play for him.

Seriously, though, it doesn't matter. Coaching is not the problem. Ownership is. When three coaches in a row that you hire are fired within 2 seasons, dysfunction is rampant at the top.

It is clearly evident why teams like the Giants, Jets, and Bears flounder year after year.

It's been all downhill for the Giants since the boat picture.
11 wins in the season before the boat picture.
22 wins in the five seasons since the boat picture.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 11, 2022, 05:20:08 PM
It's been all downhill for the Giants since the boat picture.
11 wins in the season before the boat picture.
22 wins in the five seasons since the boat picture.

Live look at the state of the Giants:
(https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2017/0109/r169537_640x360_16-9.jpg)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 11, 2022, 05:31:20 PM
Joe Judge has been fired.

There are now ZERO Bill Belichick assistants employed as head coaches in the NFL. Josh McDaniels is the most likely candidate to change that.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 11, 2022, 05:41:33 PM
Joe Judge has been fired.

Rodgers is going to have a lot of choices this off-season to play for a hand-picked coach
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 11, 2022, 05:59:37 PM
There are now ZERO Bill Belichick assistants employed as head coaches in the NFL. Josh McDaniels is the most likely candidate to change that.

Daboll and Flores also could have HC gigs soon. And Jerod Mayo and Bill O'Brien are going to get some looks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 11, 2022, 06:49:15 PM
I think history gets made and a former Detroit coach gets another gig.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 11, 2022, 07:43:47 PM
I think history gets made and a former Detroit coach gets another gig.
Wayne Fontes!!!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 11, 2022, 07:46:17 PM
Rodgers is going to have a lot of choices this off-season to play for a hand-picked coach
Except he is under contract in 2022, so he has only 3 choices, stay with Packers, retire, or go where Packers decide to trade him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 11, 2022, 08:15:41 PM
Daboll and Flores also could have HC gigs soon. And Jerod Mayo and Bill O'Brien are going to get some looks.

I can’t believe Mayo is being seriously looked at already. A 35 year old minor position coach for 2 years getting a HC gig already? From a coaching tree that hasn’t been full of success?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 11, 2022, 08:27:45 PM
I know Vrabel isn't technically from the BB coaching tree, but he played for him for years and was the DC under Bill O'Brien.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 11, 2022, 08:45:50 PM
I can’t believe Mayo is being seriously looked at already. A 35 year old minor position coach for 2 years getting a HC gig already? From a coaching tree that hasn’t been full of success?

Todd or OJ?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 11, 2022, 08:51:08 PM
Live look at the state of the Giants:
(https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2017/0109/r169537_640x360_16-9.jpg)

I don’t know how to post photos in here, but one of the funniest pictures I’ve ever seen was someone photoshopping Rodgers’s smirking face into the hole in the wall, peaking through.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 11, 2022, 08:53:49 PM
I don’t know how to post photos in here, but one of the funniest pictures I’ve ever seen was someone photoshopping Rodgers’s smirking face into the hole in the wall, peaking through.
(https://i.imgur.com/90ejyhH.jpg)

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 11, 2022, 09:36:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/90ejyhH.jpg)

Lol. So good. Thought he had more of a smirk. That’s even better.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 12, 2022, 09:05:31 AM
Rodgers is going to have a lot of choices this off-season to play for a hand-picked coach

I'm guessing his choice will be Matt LaFleuer unless Green Bay decides to trade the remainder of his contract.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 12, 2022, 09:13:49 AM
Rodgers is going to have a lot of choices this off-season to play for a hand-picked coach


That's ridiculous!

<notices that Luke Getsy is getting an interview in Denver>

Hmmmm.....
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 12, 2022, 10:52:16 AM

That's ridiculous!

<notices that Luke Getsy is getting an interview in Denver>

Hmmmm.....

I think there are 3 guys who will be HCs on GB now. Hackett, Getsy and Stenovich. I thought Hackett would be the only one to get any play this off-season though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 12, 2022, 11:47:38 AM
Up to date info on bears candidates:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CHIBears/comments/s1ffk5/gmhead_coach_interview_trackers/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Those lists are getting much longer. That's a lot of interviews.

Can someone try to explain to me why you wouldn't hire a GM and then let them have a say in HC?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 12, 2022, 11:53:51 AM
Those lists are getting much longer. That's a lot of interviews.

Can someone try to explain to me why you wouldn't hire a GM and then let them have a say in HC?

It’s interesting. With some guys, it doesn’t matter so much. But if you are looking at guys like Flores or Harbaugh, the decision on a GM is vital. They are going to want Kyle Shanahan type power as a coach -in other words, near GM power. So, if the coach is hired first, it will impact both the quality and quantity of guys who will want to take the GM job.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 13, 2022, 12:03:42 AM
Colts played more minutes with the lead this year than either #1 seed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashSean on January 13, 2022, 05:28:16 AM
I'm guessing his choice will be Matt LaFleuer unless Green Bay decides to trade the remainder of his contract.

Maybe I'm wrong, but wouldn't the packers have something like 25m in dead cap if they traded Rodgers?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 13, 2022, 09:42:34 AM
Colts played more minutes with the lead this year than either #1 seed.

I really like Frank Reich (the Jax loss notwithstanding) and I actually think this is a huge feather in his cap.  I know the Colts missed the playoffs but I think this speaks to how hard it is to win in the NFL now when you can't huck it around the yard.  Carson Wentz is washed and Jonathan Taylor is great, but that's still a team with Wentz, an old TY Hilton, Michael Pittman, and Jack Doyle controlling games.  If the Jax loss has poisoned that well, I would love to see Miami hire Reich.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MDMU04 on January 13, 2022, 01:36:19 PM
Those lists are getting much longer. That's a lot of interviews.

Can someone try to explain to me why you wouldn't hire a GM and then let them have a say in HC?

It's the Bears. Don't apply logic to what they're doing because until ownership changes nothing will make any sense and it's going to turn out stupid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 13, 2022, 04:42:38 PM
Texans fired David Culley.
Kind of shocking. Given the sh!tshow of a roster he was given, the team wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been.
The McNairs may be every bit as bad as the McCaskeys.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2022, 04:47:16 PM
Texans fired David Culley.
Kind of shocking. Given the sh!tshow of a roster he was given, the team wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been.
The McNairs may be every bit as bad as the McCaskeys.

One African-American head coach in the NFL at the moment
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 13, 2022, 05:12:40 PM
Texans fired David Culley.
Kind of shocking. Given the sh!tshow of a roster he was given, the team wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been.
The McNairs may be every bit as bad as the McCaskeys.

He also did a lot better with Davis Mills than Nagy did with Fields.

Coaches on teams like the Bears, Giants, Jets, Texans, etc. are inconsequential, though. They have no chance under current ownerships. It's actually quite telling that one of the guys that McCaskey trusts the most is the Giants' owner. I don't think that is the guy you should be going to for advice - currently in his 4th coaching search in the last 6 years. The last 3 have been complete and utter failures. They could get a lot better advice from the real 'owner' of the team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 13, 2022, 05:41:02 PM
Texans fired David Culley.
Kind of shocking. Given the sh!tshow of a roster he was given, the team wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been.
The McNairs may be every bit as bad as the McCaskeys.
I thought Coach Culley did a good job given what he was working with
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 13, 2022, 05:42:10 PM
Thanks for making the same general point for the 5th day in a row.  Need to follow it up with a boast about how happy you are to be a Packers fan.  Do you have a newsletter?

I think Culley was always hired to be a stopgap/fall guy as the Watson drama played out.  Why else hire a mid 60s journeyman position coach? Then they planned to make a more target hire this year when the Watson situation either resolved itself or they moved on and rebuilt across the board.

One African-American head coach in the NFL at the moment

I think at least 3 more get hired between Flores (though not technically AA, still a minority hire), Leftwich, Jim Caldwell, Leslie Frazier, and I guess Todd Bowles and Bienemy are dark horse options too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 13, 2022, 05:46:27 PM
Thanks for making the same general point for the 5th day in a row.  Need to follow it up with a boast about how happy you are to be a Packers fan.  Do you have a newsletter?

I think Culley was always hired to be a stopgap/fall guy as the Watson drama played out.  Why else hire a mid 60s journeyman position coach? Then they planned to make a more target hire this year when the Watson situation either resolved itself or they moved on and rebuilt across the board.

I think at least 3 more get hired between Flores (though not technically AA, still a minority hire), Leftwich, Jim Caldwell, Leslie Frazier, and I guess Todd Bowles and Bienemy are dark horse options too.

Leftwich seems like a slam dunk to get hired this cycle. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 13, 2022, 06:02:20 PM
Thanks for making the same general point for the 5th day in a row.  Need to follow it up with a boast about how happy you are to be a Packers fan.  Do you have a newsletter?


Speaking of repeating the same thing, ad nauseum..., check the mirror, buddy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 13, 2022, 06:03:59 PM
I thought Coach Culley did a good job given what he was working with

I agree. He did an outstanding job to get 4 wins despite losing Watt and Watson.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 13, 2022, 06:18:56 PM
Speaking of repeating the same thing, ad nauseum..., check the mirror, buddy.

Ahh the classic "I know you are but what am I".  Yes, I'm SOOOO well known for banging the same tired drums on this board  :o

Same time, same place tomorrow with another insightful tidbit on dysfunction when someone posts something about the Giants coaching search.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: HouWarrior on January 13, 2022, 06:23:26 PM
I agree. He did an outstanding job to get 4 wins despite losing Watt and Watson.
And Hopkins
Really the unwinding of texans began with 1) Bill Obrien getting involved in personnel and 2) cal McNair taking over for dead dad ...both thought hiring NE Pats former team Chaplain and involving him with players was good and Christian....it really turned off most of good players...the skid began ( examples: OTDuane Brown giveaway followed by multiple draft 1st picks to miami and huge contract to get replacement OT Tunsil, JJ watt -outright freedom release, WR Hopkins huge giveaway for backup RB; the QB watson saga...etc etc)

The Texans are at least 3-4 years and two more failed coaches away from a rebuild, if ever under Moron Cal
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 13, 2022, 06:32:36 PM
Culley was never going to be anything more than a placeholder.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 13, 2022, 07:54:45 PM
Ahh the classic "I know you are but what am I".  Yes, I'm SOOOO well known for banging the same tired drums on this board  :o

Same time, same place tomorrow with another insightful tidbit on dysfunction when someone posts something about the Giants coaching search.

It would be something if you were as smart as you believe yourself to be.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 13, 2022, 08:11:29 PM
Culley was never going to be anything more than a placeholder.
Looks like Culley will end up getting paid $22 Million for being a placeholder . Good work if you can get it.
https://sports.yahoo.com/texans-david-culley-firing-22-million-head-coach-nfl-011912716.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 13, 2022, 08:36:36 PM
It would be something if you were as smart as you believe yourself to be.

Straight to irrelevant personal insults cause someone dares disagree with you.  Cute
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 14, 2022, 06:58:42 AM
Culley was never going to be anything more than a placeholder.

Then why give him a $17 million buyout?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2022, 07:21:28 AM
Then why give him a $17 million buyout?

It’s the Texans. I don’t know. But he was never going to be the long term guy there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 14, 2022, 08:33:19 AM
It’s the Texans. I don’t know. But he was never going to be the long term guy there.

I'm not sure what you mean by long term, but I suspect what could be going on here is that a head coach unexpectedly hit the market, and this head coach is someone who the disgruntled franchise player has expressed a desire to play for.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2022, 08:35:38 AM
Could be.  Or the Texans are incompetent.  Or both.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 14, 2022, 08:43:16 AM
Could be.  Or the Texans are incompetent.  Or both.

Sure. This is speculation on my part, but I don't think it's wild speculation.
I would add that Flores and the Texans GM worked together for 15+ years in the Patriots organization.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 14, 2022, 08:55:37 AM
Straight to irrelevant personal insults cause someone dares disagree with you.  Cute

Except you didn’t disagree with me. You just were being a d*ck. If you disagree the the owners of certain teams are dysfunctional, make an intelligent arguement showing where I am wrong. That is the point of boards like these.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 14, 2022, 11:11:32 AM
Except you didn’t disagree with me. You just were being a d*ck. If you disagree the the owners of certain teams are dysfunctional, make an intelligent arguement showing where I am wrong. That is the point of boards like these.

I disagreed with your incessant need to repeat that point daily.  Of course certain ownership groups are dysfunctional, including the Bears despite you repeatedly claiming I can’t find fault with the McCaskey’s idiocy.  But it’s become your pet point you think is unique or innovative so you have to interject it in every offseason discussion point here.  We get it.

I’d say the same if someone kept repeating that Marquette wasn’t a BE contender until they beat Nova after every win or if someone wanted to keep rehashing a point about the Hornets being closer to the lottery than the Nets
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 14, 2022, 01:23:49 PM
The Vikings are totally going to hire Lane Kiffin.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2022, 01:33:28 PM
The Vikings are totally going to hire Lane Kiffin.


I think that would be a fantastic hire for them.  And I am not being sarcastic about that.  He was too young and too immature when he got the Raiders' gig.  But the guy knows offense.  And I doubt he's getting Ole Miss much further than this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 14, 2022, 03:51:00 PM

I think that would be a fantastic hire for them.  And I am not being sarcastic about that.  He was too young and too immature when he got the Raiders' gig.  But the guy knows offense.  And I doubt he's getting Ole Miss much further than this year.

I don’t disagree.  He’s had a lot of learning experiences and growing since then.  He’s had far more HC experience than Kingsbury, who is doing alright for himself, and Id argue he’s a better offensive mind.

Also, I think he learned from Saban the value in putting good assistants around you
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 14, 2022, 04:00:22 PM
I don’t disagree.  He’s had a lot of learning experiences and growing since then.  He’s had far more HC experience than Kingsbury, who is doing alright for himself, and Id argue he’s a better offensive mind.

Also, I think he learned from Saban the value in putting good assistants around you

I’d instantly become a Vikings fan if they hired Lane Kiffin
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 14, 2022, 04:15:21 PM
I’d instantly become a Vikings fan if they hired Lane Kiffin

He needs a QB, but Kiffin with Dalvin Cook, Jefferson and Thielen has gotta be mouth watering for Vikings fan and a wild departure from Zimmer
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 14, 2022, 04:24:24 PM
He needs a QB, but Kiffin with Dalvin Cook, Jefferson and Thielen has gotta be mouth watering for Vikings fan and a wild departure from Zimmer

I’d hope we’d get the Lane that’s at Ole Miss.  A little cocky and fun.  Don’t want a buttoned down version because he’s in the NFL.  I don’t know if he’d win but if he did, I know one fanbase that would pull their hair out losing to his team
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 14, 2022, 04:27:58 PM
There are currently 3 times as many white head coaches named Sean in the NFL than the total number of black coaches.

Does the Rooney Rule just provide cover for teams wanting to continue hiring white coaches since there are no more current black head coaches than when the rule was instigated?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 14, 2022, 04:42:55 PM
A lot of people around the Alabama program think Lane is first in line when Saban retires, with Saban's full blessing.
Despite their sideline interactions and the circumstances of Kiffin's departure from Bama, apparently there's a lot of mutual respect there
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 14, 2022, 04:57:33 PM
A lot of people around the Alabama program think Lane is first in line when Saban retires, with Saban's full blessing.
Despite their sideline interactions and the circumstances of Kiffin's departure from Bama, apparently there's a lot of mutual respect there

Following Saban is going to be a tough gig.  I don’t think what he’s done can be repeated.  Matt Hinton who has written for a number of publications wrote something about half a decade ago that still resonates with me about the nature of college football dynasties.  I can’t find a link to where he wrote it, but it went something like this and why dynasties are hard to maintain beyond 5 years or so.

- Assistant Coaches start getting poached and it becomes harder to keep top assistants and find capable or equal replacements.

- Titles are won with high 4* and 5* talent.  That talent finds the field early and leaves early.  Eventually, you become perpetually young and have more recruiting misses than not.

- A competitior arises within your league to challenge your supremacy.  Oregon/Stanford challenging USC in the mid-2000’s.  Baylor/TCU challenging OU and overtaking Texas in the Big XII post-2010.  This one seems especially true in the lawless SEC, yet…

Saban has cycled through assistants at an incredible rate and not missed a beat.  An argument could be made this is a plus.  Fresh ideas can often eliminate stagnation.

Bama stays young but rarely misses and most importantly, have been finding great college QBS

Finally, they’ve withstood challenges from LSU and Auburn to their supremacy out west.  Dysfunction has helped in many cases.  Is Georgia the school to take the mantle?  Early looks into 2022 see a step back for UGA and a Bama team loaded with returning talent. 

Saban is the best college coach ever.  I’ll be very surprised to see anyone ever match his run at Bama
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 14, 2022, 06:57:10 PM
Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams named First Team  AP NFL All Pro
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-all-pro-team-aaron-rodgers-bests-tom-brady-for-top-spot-t-j-watt-among-five-unanimous-selections/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 14, 2022, 07:04:41 PM
There are currently 3 times as many white head coaches named Sean in the NFL than the total number of black coaches.

Does the Rooney Rule just provide cover for teams wanting to continue hiring white coaches since there are no more current black head coaches than when the rule was instigated?

well ain't that just a tasty nugget of information we've all been just dying to hear about-seriously??
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 14, 2022, 07:29:24 PM
well ain't that just a tasty nugget of information we've all been just dying to hear about-seriously??

Ironically, this is usually how people respond to your posts.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 14, 2022, 10:38:55 PM
Aaron Rodgers and Davante Adams named First Team  AP NFL All Pro
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-all-pro-team-aaron-rodgers-bests-tom-brady-for-top-spot-t-j-watt-among-five-unanimous-selections/

De'Vondre Campbell too
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 15, 2022, 07:33:58 AM
well ain't that just a tasty nugget of information we've all been just dying to hear about-seriously??
Huh. Now why would that information upset you, Racist Name Guy?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 15, 2022, 04:52:09 PM
Wasn’t there a whistle on that second Bengal TD? No one with NBC even says anything.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 15, 2022, 04:53:48 PM
Oh and Drew Brees is terrible.  I mean, really bad at this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 15, 2022, 05:05:58 PM
Huh. Now why would that information upset you, Racist Name Guy?

  because no one was was talking about race dip chit!  so how is my name racist?  only racists see racism in ALM 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 15, 2022, 05:06:53 PM
  because no one was was talking about race dip chit!  so how is my name racist?  only racists see racism in ALM

The hiring of head coaches in the NFL is very much a discussion of race in America.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 15, 2022, 05:07:19 PM
  because no one was was talking about race dip chit!  so how is my name racist?  only racists see racism in ALM 

People were talking about coaching changes. And it’s a relevant topic related to that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 15, 2022, 05:43:59 PM
I think they flew in the refs from the MU - SH game for this one in Cincy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 15, 2022, 05:46:31 PM
I think they flew in the refs from the MU - SH game for this one in Cincy.

Officiating is bad in all sports
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 15, 2022, 06:50:50 PM
HATED the needless spike.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 15, 2022, 06:58:57 PM
HATED the needless spike.

Exactly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 15, 2022, 07:01:55 PM
Bill Cowher: “Who’s a better fourth quarter quarterback than Ben Roethlisberger?”

🤪🤪🤪
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 15, 2022, 07:15:40 PM
The hiring of head coaches in the NFL is very much a discussion of race in America.

only racists see racism in NFL head-coaching hires over the decades. it just so happens that non-whites ain't as good as regular americans dip chit.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 15, 2022, 07:37:00 PM
only racists see racism in NFL head-coaching hires over the decades. it just so happens that non-whites ain't as good as regular americans dip chit.

Nice impression, Mike.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on January 15, 2022, 07:43:42 PM
only racists see racism in NFL head-coaching hires over the decades. it just so happens that non-whites ain't as good as regular americans dip chit.
To steal a bit from Rico…

9/10. The real deal would not have capitalized nfl.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 15, 2022, 08:20:20 PM
Hey?

https://nypost.com/2022/01/14/east-harlem-residents-shout-at-burger-king-murder-suspect/?utm_source=url_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 15, 2022, 08:22:35 PM
Maybe the Raiders should have tied and gone against the Chiefs?

Bills look awfully good. Pats....do not
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 15, 2022, 09:09:51 PM
Jim Caldwell? Really?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 15, 2022, 09:11:28 PM
Why not?   He has taken two separate teams to the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 15, 2022, 09:16:25 PM
Why not?   He has taken two separate teams to the playoffs.

Yeah I think if he builds the right staff, it might work. He’s a great locker room guy. 

I doubt it will happen at 66 years old though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 15, 2022, 09:54:01 PM
Just about Trubisky time
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 15, 2022, 09:57:42 PM
If I’m Josh McDaniels, this is the offseason I’m leaving for some place else.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 06:06:46 AM
If I’m Josh McDaniels, this is the offseason I’m leaving for some place else.


I think he will have one legit option in Houston.  A lot of teams have no interest being left at the alter like he did with Indianapolis.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 16, 2022, 06:47:19 AM

I think he will have one legit option in Houston.  A lot of teams have no interest being left at the alter like he did with Indianapolis.

I wonder if he’s the heir apparent in NE and organizations understand this?  I know he’s interviewed elsewhere but I wonder if that’s the vibe
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on January 16, 2022, 07:08:00 AM
The Chicago Bears would hire a three-headed gazelle with purple polka dots if the Gazelle could develop Justin Fields and consistently get them to the upper reaches of the NFL.

Race. Religion, orientation etc; none of that matters. The only thing that matters is winning. The Bears haven’t done anywhere near enough of that in the past 25 years.

The best post-Ditka coach the Bears had was Lovie Smith, who towers over anyone they’ve hired since. Gosh, is that a scary thought!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 16, 2022, 07:25:22 AM
Jim Caldwell? Really?

It's an incredibly McCaskey hire, but Caldwell is a really good coach and good man.

The Bears could do worse. If the Bears can build young rising stars on his staff, I see no reason that can't work
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 16, 2022, 08:26:53 AM
Oh and Drew Brees is terrible.  I mean, really bad at this.

Yup.  I just plain don't like the guy either.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 08:42:47 AM
Yup.  I just plain don't like the guy either.


Tony Romo was initially successful but the networks don’t seem to realize that it’s not that easy. Maybe Brees can get there, but why put him on a playoff telecast before anything else?  (I know NBC doesn’t have a “bench” since they only have one game a week.)

Ian Eagle and Charles Davis were fantastic in the other game. You don’t need to be a “name” to do good work.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 16, 2022, 09:21:44 AM


Race. Religion, orientation etc; none of that matters. The only thing that matters is winning.


I’m wondering how many here believe this is true. They are not a vanity project to rich owners like so many teams. They are basically the sole source of real wealth to the McCaskys. The team has become way more valuable while losing and will continue to become more valuable as they make the move to Arlington Park. They will demand taxpayer money & tax breaks.

I think they prioritize this way before winning.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 16, 2022, 09:28:33 AM
I wonder if he’s the heir apparent in NE and organizations understand this?  I know he’s interviewed elsewhere but I wonder if that’s the vibe

Yes, he's Belichick's heir.
Why go to a trash franchise like Houston or Jacksonville and tarnish your reputation, when you can wait a couple years and get the keys to one of the league's best organizations?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 09:29:48 AM
I’m wondering how many here believe this is true. They are not a vanity project to rich owners like so many teams. They are basically the sole source of real wealth to the McCaskys. The team has become way more valuable while losing and will continue to become more valuable as they make the move to Arlington Park. They will demand taxpayer money & tax breaks.

I think they prioritize this way before winning.


I think they can do both.  I sincerely believe they WANT to win, but I think running a football operation in 2022 is above the family's capabilities, and they are too proud to admit that. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 16, 2022, 09:30:57 AM
Maybe the Raiders should have tied and gone against the Chiefs?

Considering they were going on the road after a short week, playing a rested opponent, had two guys they picked up off the street midseason trying to cover Chase all day, and got absolutely hosed by the officials, the Raiders acquitted themselves reasonably well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 16, 2022, 10:58:09 AM

I think they can do both.  I sincerely believe they WANT to win, but I think running a football operation in 2022 is above the family's capabilities, and they are too proud to admit that.

Yes. I think the reality is somewhere between our 2 opinions.

Maybe ‘want’ was the wrong word. ‘Capable’ may be better.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 11:21:03 AM
Yes. I think the reality is somewhere between our 2 opinions.

Maybe ‘want’ was the wrong word. ‘Capable’ may be better.

The good news for Bears fans is that the family aren’t “meddlers” and are decent people. So if they do end up making the right hires, despite the weird process, things will be fine.

They’re not dealing with a Kahn or McNair here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 12:16:40 PM
Tristan Wirfs down on the field for The Bucs. That would be a major loss if he has an ACL
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 12:44:16 PM
The Eagles are going to end up worse than the Pats.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 16, 2022, 12:48:18 PM
It might not be today, but these Bucs injuries are going to catch up to them very soon.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 16, 2022, 01:15:58 PM
Hurts is a great runner, but probably one of the 3 worst passing QBs in the league. He gives his team little chance in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 01:22:18 PM
Wirfs back in lineup with ankle injury . I question him going back in to play.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 16, 2022, 01:30:29 PM
Hurts is a great runner, but probably one of the 3 worst passing QBs in the league. He gives his team little chance in the playoffs.

The Eagles really are the worst team to make the playoffs in a long time (and that includes the 2020 Bears).
Their nine wins came over:
Matt Ryan
Sam Darnold
Jared Goff
Teddy Bridgewater
Trevor Siemian
Zach Wilson
Greg Gilbert
Mike Glennon
Taylor Heinicke

When the current iteration of Matt Ryan is the best QB you've beaten all season, you're not really playoff-caliber.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 16, 2022, 02:34:52 PM
Buccs are teeing off on Hurts now. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 02:38:13 PM
This has got to leave the Eagles questioning their future at quarterback.  I mean, Mac Jones at least showed flashes.  Hurts has just been godawful.

And Aikman calling out their play calling all game doesn't help.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 16, 2022, 04:02:58 PM
NFL: The crew in the Raiders-Bengals game didn't botch the call on the inadvertent whistle.
Also NFL: The crew in the Raiders-Bengals game won't be assigned any more games during these playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 04:31:31 PM
NFL: The crew in the Raiders-Bengals game didn't botch the call on the inadvertent whistle.
Also NFL: The crew in the Raiders-Bengals game won't be assigned any more games during these playoffs.

I don’t think they said they didn’t botch the call. They said that the crew believed the whistle happened after the ball was caught.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 16, 2022, 04:42:28 PM
I don’t think they said they didn’t botch the call. They said that the crew believed the whistle happened after the ball was caught.

Well, that's just a lie then. You can see on the final replay here the official blowing his whistle as Burrow is throwing the ball.
Watch at about the 45-second mark.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10023947-video-inadvertent-whistle-before-joe-burrows-td-pass-vs-raiders-sparks-controversy
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 04:43:55 PM
Can someone remind me why The Bears let Robbie Gould go?

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 16, 2022, 04:53:09 PM
Can someone remind me why The Bears let Robbie Gould go?

Because he said something mean about Virginia.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 16, 2022, 04:58:10 PM
Can someone remind me why The Bears let Robbie Gould go?

He was the highest paid kicker in the league and was (even self admittedly) declining as the 2015 season wound down and then struggled in the 2016 preseason. Anyone who watched Bears games that season wasn’t surprised he got cut.

Lots of revisionist history out there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 16, 2022, 05:00:11 PM
Dallas is at home and doesn’t know where the sun field is?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 05:02:04 PM
Well, that's just a lie then. You can see on the final replay here the official blowing his whistle as Burrow is throwing the ball.
Watch at about the 45-second mark.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10023947-video-inadvertent-whistle-before-joe-burrows-td-pass-vs-raiders-sparks-controversy

I know it blew early.  But the crew didn’t think so at the time and it’s not reviewable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 16, 2022, 05:10:00 PM

Tony Romo was initially successful but the networks don’t seem to realize that it’s not that easy. Maybe Brees can get there, but why put him on a playoff telecast before anything else?  (I know NBC doesn’t have a “bench” since they only have one game a week.)

Ian Eagle and Charles Davis were fantastic in the other game. You don’t need to be a “name” to do good work.

I think Brees did some Notre Dame games this year. Granted, that’s a much different experience than NFL playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 16, 2022, 05:24:47 PM
I know it blew early.  But the crew didn’t think so at the time and it’s not reviewable.

How can the guy who blew the whistle not know when he blew the whistle?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 05:25:47 PM
How can the guy who blew the whistle not know when he blew the whistle?


He thought he did so after the catch was made. My guess is that he was looking at his feet and didn’t realize when he blew it. After they signaled for the TD there was nothing they could have done about it anyway.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 16, 2022, 05:43:26 PM
Would imagine Niners/Packers is the Saturday night game next weekend (unless they go all NFC on Sunday).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 05:54:41 PM
Would imagine Niners/Packers is the Saturday night game next weekend (unless they go all NFC on Sunday).
Glad it is a home game , cause the Niners seem to be in good form.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 16, 2022, 05:58:36 PM

He thought he did so after the catch was made. My guess is that he was looking at his feet and didn’t realize when he blew it. After they signaled for the TD there was nothing they could have done about it anyway.

If the official believed the ball already was thrown and caught before he blew the whistle ... why was he blowing the whistle for Burrow being out of bounds? It wouldn't have mattered if Burrow was out of bounds if the ball were in the end zone. There would be no reason to blow the whistle in that case. He blew the whistle only because he thought Burrow stepped out of bounds before the throw.
They knew they botched it and rather than admit to botching it and replaying the down, the concocted a clearly false story about the whistle coming after the catch. There's no way the guy who blew the whistle could have believed it was after the catch. They're lying.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: aands86 on January 16, 2022, 05:59:01 PM
He was the highest paid kicker in the league and was (even self admittedly) declining as the 2015 season wound down and then struggled in the 2016 preseason. Anyone who watched Bears games that season wasn’t surprised he got cut.

Lots of revisionist history out there.

And they wanted to free up money to sign Josh Sitton.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on January 16, 2022, 06:10:30 PM
Mcarthy winds up coaching the Vikings :)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 06:18:44 PM
If the official believed the ball already was thrown and caught before he blew the whistle ... why was he blowing the whistle for Burrow being out of bounds? It wouldn't have mattered if Burrow was out of bounds if the ball were in the end zone. There would be no reason to blow the whistle in that case. He blew the whistle only because he thought Burrow stepped out of bounds before the throw.
They knew they botched it and rather than admit to botching it and replaying the down, the concocted a clearly false story about the whistle coming after the catch. There's no way the guy who blew the whistle could have believed it was after the catch. They're lying.


Ok I guess.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 16, 2022, 06:30:05 PM
49ers should’ve gone for it
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 06:33:01 PM
What was that picture of Anne Frank doing there?  What a strange promo.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2022, 06:40:16 PM
Cowboys didn't need to rush to get a play off before the 2 minute warning. Time wasn't a factor. They didn't look ready and they wasted a down.

The whole game has been filled with their mistakes. They're only still in it because SF has made a ton of mistakes too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 16, 2022, 06:50:00 PM
Cowboys didn't need to rush to get a play off before the 2 minute warning. Time wasn't a factor. They didn't look ready and they wasted a down.

The whole game has been filled with their mistakes. They're only still in it because SF has made a ton of mistakes too.

Dallas commits so many penalties.

The crazy thing is, they could be called for far more. It is like they try to dare the refs to call a penalty every possession.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 16, 2022, 06:51:43 PM
Dallas commits so many penalties.

The crazy thing is, they could be called for far more. It is like they try to dare the refs to call a penalty every possession.

So, the Pitino defense equivalent?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 06:53:36 PM
Putting someone in motion on a QB sneak is the definition of overthinking it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 16, 2022, 06:54:44 PM
Putting someone in motion on a QB sneak is the definition of overthinking it.

I don't think either of these teams want to win this game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 16, 2022, 06:57:49 PM
Dallas mass suicide at the 50 yard line after the game?

They’ve been trying to kill themselves all game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 16, 2022, 06:58:27 PM
What an epic, stupid, decision.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 16, 2022, 06:59:11 PM
Probably the dumbest call I’ve seen in over 50 years of watching football.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 06:59:55 PM
So so dumb. Wonder if McCarthy is fired now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 07:00:15 PM
Probably the dumbest call I’ve seen in over 50 years of watching football.
Ranks up there for sure
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 16, 2022, 07:00:59 PM
NFL coaches, man
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 16, 2022, 07:01:15 PM
That was the best worst game I’ve ever seen.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 16, 2022, 07:02:44 PM
So so dumb. Wonder if McCarthy is fired now.

Not surprising from a McCarthy coached team. Makes Rodgers look like a genius for helping run him out of GB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on January 16, 2022, 07:04:06 PM
Felt like a magic Mike McCarthy bungled playoff game from the packer days.

Odds Jerry fires him before Tuesday?


Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 07:05:46 PM
Felt like a magic Mike McCarthy bungled playoff game from the packer days.

Odds Jerry fires him before Tuesday?


And Moore will be hired.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 16, 2022, 07:08:27 PM
There’s no way McCarthy survives this.

They can’t cut Zeke either, his contract is an albatross next season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 07:10:26 PM
There’s no way McCarthy survives this.

They can’t cut Zeke either, his contract is an albatross next season.

My word

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/ezekiel-elliott-18952/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 16, 2022, 08:43:48 PM
We do not need 7 teams in the playoffs on each side. There are not that many good teams. Outside of Dallas game it’s been some pretty boring football.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 16, 2022, 08:46:16 PM
We do not need 7 teams in the playoffs on each side. There are not that many good teams. Outside of Dallas game it’s been some pretty boring football.

That everyone is watching.

All playoff expansion is about eyeballs. At the end of the season because it keeps teams alive longer, and the playoff games themselves.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 08:54:10 PM
KC is going to be awfully hard to beat in this tournament .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 16, 2022, 09:24:52 PM
Dallas Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott praised angry fans for throwing bottles and other debris onto the field after the team's 23-17 loss to the San Francisco 49ers on Sunday. During his postgame press conference, Prescott initially expressed disappointment when told fans were throwing trash at players, but when it was clarified they were aiming at the officiating crew, he responded: "Credit to them."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 16, 2022, 09:48:53 PM
Watching Roethlisberger go out the way he has with all these weak throws etc , reminds me of how Willie Mays finished his career .

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 16, 2022, 10:09:24 PM
Dallas Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott praised angry fans for throwing bottles and other debris onto the field after the team's 23-17 loss to the San Francisco 49ers on Sunday. During his postgame press conference, Prescott initially expressed disappointment when told fans were throwing trash at players, but when it was clarified they were aiming at the officiating crew, he responded: "Credit to them."

But what did he think of the call at the end of the Marquette-Seton Hall game?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 16, 2022, 10:09:39 PM
Ben needs to retire.

Or be cut.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 17, 2022, 07:58:35 AM
Kinda weird that the whole "suspended for four games" for conduct unbecoming a player thing has been whitewashed quite a bit these last few weeks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on January 17, 2022, 01:57:59 PM
Do you think Mike McCarthy uses an alarm clock to wake up in the morning or does he just wing it?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 17, 2022, 05:02:28 PM
Mike Mayock out in Las Vegas.
Got some mid-round draft steals (Crosby, Renfrow, Hobbs), but missed badly on too many early picks and free agents.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 17, 2022, 05:42:40 PM
Harbaugh will be the Raiders coach by Friday.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 17, 2022, 08:32:18 PM
Kyler Murray channeling his inner Carson Wentz.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 17, 2022, 08:33:12 PM
This is men against boys


And Murray shoulda choice baseball. If hes your franchise, you aint competing. Been pretenders all year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 17, 2022, 08:38:22 PM
I don’t say this just on tonight, but Kingsbury should be fired.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 17, 2022, 08:44:47 PM
This is absolutely brutal to watch.  WTF?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 17, 2022, 08:46:12 PM
These first round games have been lopsided
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 17, 2022, 08:54:40 PM
If the Cardinals want to try to come back, Colt McCoy gives them a better chance than Murray in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 17, 2022, 09:29:03 PM
Not that it matters, but how did Aaron Donald not get ejected there? Not exactly tossing haymakers, but still hit the guy a couple of times across the face.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 17, 2022, 09:33:10 PM
Not that it matters, but how did Aaron Donald not get ejected there? Not exactly tossing haymakers, but still hit the guy a couple of times across the face.

I thought the exact same.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 17, 2022, 09:36:12 PM
I don’t say this just on tonight, but Kingsbury should be fired.

Appears he can't do math very well either.

Going for 2 after that TD was extremely pointless.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 17, 2022, 09:50:16 PM
So, what happened for penalties for leading with the helmet?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 17, 2022, 09:53:35 PM
So, what happened for penalties for leading with the helmet?

Seems kinda pointless to flag Buddah Baker when he's being taken away in an ambulance, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 17, 2022, 09:56:15 PM
Seems kinda pointless to flag Buddah Baker when he's being taken away in an ambulance, aina?

In this instance, I was referring to Akers
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 17, 2022, 09:58:00 PM
In this instance, I was referring to Akers

I don't think I've ever seen a ballcarrier get flagged for that
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 17, 2022, 10:01:45 PM
Cardinals fell apart down the stretch after a good start to the season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 17, 2022, 10:04:31 PM
Cardinals fell apart down the stretch after a good start to the season.

Since getting crushed by the pathetic Panthers on Nov. 14, the Cardinals are 3-5, and about to be 3-6. Also lost to Detroit and Seattle in that stretch.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 17, 2022, 10:05:37 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a ballcarrier get flagged for that

It is rare, but it has been called. Probably should have been called there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 17, 2022, 10:24:45 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a ballcarrier get flagged for that

It's a rule on the books. Allegedly, NFL told officials not to call it though
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 17, 2022, 10:37:53 PM
I just don’t know if I could pay Kyler Murray a gigantic contract in 2 years. I’m sure they’ll pick up the fifth year option, then maybe franchise him in 2024, but man I’d have a really hard time committing mega dollars to him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 17, 2022, 10:45:45 PM
Cardinals fell apart down the stretch after a good start to the season.

Is that an auto post?

Kliff Kingsbury's end to the season as a head coach...

Texas Tech:
• '13: lost 5 of 6
• '14: lost 4 of 6
• '15: lost 4 of 6
• '16: lost 6 of 8
• '17: lost 6 of 8
• '18: lost 5 of 5

Cardinals:
• '19: lost 7 of 9
• '20: lost 5 of 7
• ‘21: lost 5 of 6
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 17, 2022, 11:47:12 PM
I just don’t know if I could pay Kyler Murray a gigantic contract in 2 years. I’m sure they’ll pick up the fifth year option, then maybe franchise him in 2024, but man I’d have a really hard time committing mega dollars to him.

I personally liked the 4th and 9 on their last true possession when Murray didn’t even try and sailed a ball 10 feet over his WR’s head out of bounds in an “aww F it” throw.

Beyond getting bumrushed, the game was over at the end of the first half. Down 21, the Cards push the Rams back on 2nd down and force 3rd and a long 5 with 1:30 left.  Kliff has all his time outs…which he eats and lets the Rams chew up another minute, fail on 3rd and then punt with minimal time that the Cards just pffttt on.  Talk about white flag early on
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 18, 2022, 09:30:55 AM
I just don’t know if I could pay Kyler Murray a gigantic contract in 2 years. I’m sure they’ll pick up the fifth year option, then maybe franchise him in 2024, but man I’d have a really hard time committing mega dollars to him.

Agree.

Also agree about Kingsbury. I didn't get the hire when it happened, and I don't get what ownership has seen in him till now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2022, 09:39:48 AM
Hard to believe the Cardinals lost given JJ Watt’s incredible hard work and leadership
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on January 18, 2022, 11:56:50 AM
Hard to believe the Cardinals lost given JJ Watt’s incredible hard work and leadership

Guy just can't catch a break.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 18, 2022, 12:41:39 PM
Hard to believe the Cardinals lost given JJ Watt’s incredible hard work and leadership

Watt brothers went 0-3 this weekend (we can count the Steelers loss twice, right?).
Loser family.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 18, 2022, 01:07:56 PM
Hard to believe the Cardinals lost given JJ Watt’s incredible hard work and leadership

Sounds like the Cardinals need to go to JJ's super remote bare bones rustic cottage to workout in the offseason...among the other multi million dollar lake homes less than 30 min from Milwaukee
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 18, 2022, 01:13:05 PM
Fook 'em...He coulda signed wit da Pack as a free agent, if he wanted ta win, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2022, 01:22:43 PM
Sounds like the Cardinals need to go to JJ's super remote bare bones rustic cottage to workout in the offseason...among the other multi million dollar lake homes less than 30 min from Milwaukee

Not many people know this but the Watt brothers all crap the American flag that’s how hard they work
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 18, 2022, 01:34:40 PM
Not many people know this but the Watt brothers all crap the American flag that’s how hard they work

"This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name"
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on January 18, 2022, 01:47:22 PM
The obsession w/ JJ Watt has been weird for years. He was a field-tilting force. Then age and injury caught up to him. By the end of his tenure in Houston he was just a guy, replacement level at best. He wasn't trash, but he was the epitome of an injury risk fading star. That was exactly what Arizona signed, and that's exactly what they got.

He seems like a decent guy. I think he did a lot of good charitable work in Houston. He's probably one of the Good Guys(tm), but why anyone cares--even to revel in his team's loss--is beyond me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on January 18, 2022, 02:04:33 PM
Is that an auto post?

Kliff Kingsbury's end to the season as a head coach...

Texas Tech:
• '13: lost 5 of 6
• '14: lost 4 of 6
• '15: lost 4 of 6
• '16: lost 6 of 8
• '17: lost 6 of 8
• '18: lost 5 of 5

Cardinals:
• '19: lost 7 of 9
• '20: lost 5 of 7
• ‘21: lost 5 of 6

Wojo-esque
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2022, 02:15:45 PM
The obsession w/ JJ Watt has been weird for years. He was a field-tilting force. Then age and injury caught up to him. By the end of his tenure in Houston he was just a guy, replacement level at best. He wasn't trash, but he was the epitome of an injury risk fading star. That was exactly what Arizona signed, and that's exactly what they got.

He seems like a decent guy. I think he did a lot of good charitable work in Houston. He's probably one of the Good Guys(tm), but why anyone cares--even to revel in his team's loss--is beyond me.

Because it’s great
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 18, 2022, 03:03:42 PM
The obsession w/ JJ Watt has been weird for years. He was a field-tilting force. Then age and injury caught up to him. By the end of his tenure in Houston he was just a guy, replacement level at best. He wasn't trash, but he was the epitome of an injury risk fading star. That was exactly what Arizona signed, and that's exactly what they got.

He seems like a decent guy. I think he did a lot of good charitable work in Houston. He's probably one of the Good Guys(tm), but why anyone cares--even to revel in his team's loss--is beyond me.

The gripe was never with JJ Watt the player.  He was an absolute monster who at his peak, is easily a top 5 defensive player of the last decade.

JJ Watt the brand is insufferable.  His actual story alone is plenty good enough.  Lightly recruited as a TE, transfers to UW as a walkon TE and becomes a 1st team AA and top 15 pick.  Thats incredible.  But JJ NEEEEDS everyone to know what a scrappy underdog he was and how HARD he works.  His entire performance on Hard Knocks was cringey and embarrassing.  The puff piece on, I think ESPN, I referenced actually portrayed his lake house in Pewaukee as a remote getaway where he can focus on JJ.

I do think he's actually a good dude.  But nobody loves JJ more than JJ and his PR is the first one to let you know.  He does a lot of charitable work which is extremely commendable but I think its physically impossible for him to move in silence and without self generate accolades or fanfare.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 18, 2022, 03:05:23 PM
The gripe was never with JJ Watt the player.  He was an absolute monster who at his peak, is easily a top 5 defensive player of the last decade.

JJ Watt the brand is insufferable.  His actual story alone is plenty good enough.  Lightly recruited as a TE, transfers to UW as a walkon TE and becomes a 1st team AA and top 15 pick.  Thats incredible.  But JJ NEEEEDS everyone to know what a scrappy underdog he was and how HARD he works.  His entire performance on Hard Knocks was cringey and embarrassing.  The puff piece on, I think ESPN, I referenced actually portrayed his lake house in Pewaukee as a remote getaway where he can focus on JJ.

I do think he's actually a good dude.  But nobody loves JJ more than JJ and his PR is the first one to let you know.  He does a lot of charitable work which is extremely commendable but I think its physically impossible for him to move in silence and without self generate accolades or fanfare.

He was bred for this
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 18, 2022, 03:07:06 PM
The gripe was never with JJ Watt the player.  He was an absolute monster who at his peak, is easily a top 5 defensive player of the last decade.

JJ Watt the brand is insufferable.  His actual story alone is plenty good enough.  Lightly recruited as a TE, transfers to UW as a walkon TE and becomes a 1st team AA and top 15 pick.  Thats incredible.  But JJ NEEEEDS everyone to know what a scrappy underdog he was and how HARD he works.  His entire performance on Hard Knocks was cringey and embarrassing.  The puff piece on, I think ESPN, I referenced actually portrayed his lake house in Pewaukee as a remote getaway where he can focus on JJ.

I do think he's actually a good dude.  But nobody loves JJ more than JJ and his PR is the first one to let you know.  He does a lot of charitable work which is extremely commendable but I think its physically impossible for him to move in silence and without self generate accolades or fanfare.

Agree that he's done a lot for charity, but everyone knows when Watt does something for a charity.   Rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

Plus, he's a badger, regardless of his bootstrap story.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 18, 2022, 03:09:25 PM
Has he gotten past page 1 in any books he reads, though?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jficke13 on January 18, 2022, 03:21:18 PM
I do recall everyone in the national media talking about the cabin thing like he'd gone to the Yukon to train. Everyone around here recognized where he was and laughted at the fact that he was like 30 mins from downtown Milwaukee.

Yeah, I guess I get that the JJW brand is insufferable, but at this point in his career (and for like the last 3 years or so), he's been irrelevant on the field. People ought to pay him a commensurate amount of attention.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 18, 2022, 04:54:53 PM
I do recall everyone in the national media talking about the cabin thing like he'd gone to the Yukon to train. Everyone around here recognized where he was and laughted at the fact that he was like 30 mins from downtown Milwaukee.

Yeah, I guess I get that the JJW brand is insufferable, but at this point in his career (and for like the last 3 years or so), he's been irrelevant on the field. People ought to pay him a commensurate amount of attention.

When my football playing kid was younger. I tried talking him into buying the Watt reebok shoes, solely b/c they were cheaper.  He didn't go for it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 19, 2022, 08:21:46 AM
Here's a fun little nugget from The Athletic:

At 44, Tom Brady is older than all his opposing coaches left in the NFC playoff bracket: Packers coach Matt LaFleur (42), 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan (42) and Rams coach Sean McVay (35) are all younger. Absurd.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2022, 08:25:06 AM
Here's a fun little nugget from The Athletic:

At 44, Tom Brady is older than all his opposing coaches left in the NFC playoff bracket: Packers coach Matt LaFleur (42), 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan (42) and Rams coach Sean McVay (35) are all younger. Absurd.

He also has as many wins against NFC teams in the playoffs as Aaron Rodgers.  That said, I think that changes this weekend
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 19, 2022, 10:40:56 AM
He also has as many wins against NFC teams in the playoffs as Aaron Rodgers.  That said, I think that changes this weekend

I hope you're right. It would be hard to stomach another Brady Super Bowl.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 19, 2022, 11:27:03 AM
I hope you're right. It would be hard to stomach another Brady Super Bowl.

Its interesting, I'm finding myself less resistent to the idea of another Brady Super Bowl than I have been in the past.  Personal feeling only, of course, and I'm not sure why, but at this point I'm certainly no more interested in seeing the Niners or Rams than the Bucs. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 19, 2022, 11:39:29 AM
Its interesting, I'm finding myself less resistent to the idea of another Brady Super Bowl than I have been in the past.  Personal feeling only, of course, and I'm not sure why, but at this point I'm certainly no more interested in seeing the Niners or Rams than the Bucs.

No way, IMO.  Niners, I'm still oddly interested in the continued Shanahan redemption.  He's been super up and down, mad baffling choices and decisions as a HC beyond just his Falcons folly, but he's still only 42.  I think he's got some success in his future and what he's been doing with Deebo is incredibly fun to watch.

And the Rams, chance to see if McVay learned anything from his previous SB shellacking and if Stafford can truly get it done.

Both of those are far more interesting than douchey Brady and a Bucs team I don't particularly care for outside of Mike Evans
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 19, 2022, 12:41:53 PM
@TomPelissero
#Colts assistant GM Ed Dodds informed the #Bears he’s withdrawing his name from their GM search, per source.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 19, 2022, 12:49:51 PM
@TomPelissero
#Colts assistant GM Ed Dodds informed the #Bears he’s withdrawing his name from their GM search, per source.

I wonder if that has anything to do with a report by Michael Lombardi this morning who said he talked to several candidates who told him the Bears weren't asking the right questions in the interviews.

I know, it Lombardi, but....
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 19, 2022, 01:15:44 PM
I do recall everyone in the national media talking about the cabin thing like he'd gone to the Yukon to train. Everyone around here recognized where he was and laughted at the fact that he was like 30 mins from downtown Milwaukee.

Yeah, I guess I get that the JJW brand is insufferable, but at this point in his career (and for like the last 3 years or so), he's been irrelevant on the field. People ought to pay him a commensurate amount of attention.

don't forget that the "cabin" was purchased for $800k

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-jj-watts-cabin-in-the-middle-of-nowhere-is-insane/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on January 19, 2022, 01:28:35 PM
I wonder if that has anything to do with a report by Michael Lombardi this morning who said he talked to several candidates who told him the Bears weren't asking the right questions in the interviews.

I know, it Lombardi, but....

Dodds has been connected to the Raiders job. However, he seems to be connected to pretty much any GM opening these days. Also, he has pulled out of and/or declined interviews in previous off-seasons with both the Panthers and the Browns.

Could the Bears screw this up? Of course. Would I trust Mike Lombardi on this, no.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 19, 2022, 02:36:24 PM
don't forget that the "cabin" was purchased for $800k

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-jj-watts-cabin-in-the-middle-of-nowhere-is-insane/

That article reads like a HS freshman's first article for the school paper.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 19, 2022, 02:59:29 PM
That article reads like a HS freshman's first article for the school paper.

and yet at the time he was an 8 year vet of CBS Sports and a graduate of Miami (OH). Journalism sure has gone downhill and it's only getting worse.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 19, 2022, 07:43:10 PM
I hope you're right. It would be hard to stomach another Brady Super Bowl.
Bucs have too many injuries on offensive line . Brady will be under fierce pressure from The Rams and will not get much done offensively. I think Stafford and Rams will put you out of your Bucs misery.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 19, 2022, 07:53:44 PM
Bucs have too many injuries on offensive line . Brady will be under fierce pressure from The Rams and will not get much done offensively. I think Stafford and Rams will put you out of your Bucs misery.

I agree with this analysis
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 20, 2022, 12:09:45 AM
Bucs have too many injuries on offensive line . Brady will be under fierce pressure from The Rams and will not get much done offensively. I think Stafford and Rams will put you out of your Bucs misery.

It would be fun to watch Aaron Donald & Co. sitting on Brady's chest all game long.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 20, 2022, 06:04:13 AM
It would be fun to watch Aaron Donald & Co. sitting on Brady's chest all game long.

Watching two dick heads beat each other up!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 20, 2022, 06:34:14 AM
It would be fun to watch Aaron Donald & Co. sitting on Brady's chest all game long.
Maybe when he tries to choke Brady he’ll finally get penalized for it. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 20, 2022, 07:36:03 AM
Maybe when he tries to choke Brady he’ll finally get penalized for it.

I chuckled.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 20, 2022, 07:36:23 AM
Bucs have too many injuries on offensive line . Brady will be under fierce pressure from The Rams and will not get much done offensively. I think Stafford and Rams will put you out of your Bucs misery.

Brady is never under "fierce pressure."  The ball comes out way too quick.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 20, 2022, 07:43:00 AM
Brady is never under "fierce pressure."  The ball comes out way too quick.

Usually.  The Eagles were able to apply pressure and so was Carolina in Week 18.

That’s always been the way to beat him.  That’s how the Giants did it in both Super Bowls and how the Ravens and Broncos beat him in AFC title games.  The Rams can get to the QB. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 20, 2022, 07:50:09 AM
Most quarterbacks can be rattled by pressure up the middle, particularly if generated with a 4 man rush.     
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 20, 2022, 08:00:30 AM
Most quarterbacks can be rattled by pressure up the middle, particularly if generated with a 4 man rush.   
I think the Bucs will employ a lot of 3 tight end sets to try and set up their run game. Hopefully that will keep the Rams from teeing off on the weakened Bucs offensive line.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 20, 2022, 02:04:56 PM
Brady is never under "fierce pressure."  The ball comes out way too quick.
Did you watch the saints game? He gets the ball out quick, but he can be rattled with pressure. He doesnt like to be hit so he will throw up some picks if he gets pressure. That's usually the formula to beat him.

You are correct though he has a quick release and knows how to get it out quick.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 20, 2022, 03:49:39 PM
Packers injury report will be interesting for Saturday.

Cobb activated off the IL
MVS doubtful
Bak questionable
Billy Turner will be back
Jaire, Z and Mericilus could all be back too.

Lots of rust in some of these guys but that's a lot of impact players who have not been in the grind for quite some time and could be fresh.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 20, 2022, 04:08:02 PM
Chiefs News
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33107896/kansas-city-chiefs-willie-gay-arrested-misdemeanor-criminal-property-damage-charge?platform=amp
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 20, 2022, 05:19:39 PM
Packers injury report will be interesting for Saturday.

Cobb activated off the IL
MVS doubtful
Bak questionable
Billy Turner will be back
Jaire, Z and Mericilus could all be back too.

Lots of rust in some of these guys but that's a lot of impact players who have not been in the grind for quite some time and could be fresh.

MVS notwithstanding, Packers fans better hope this is a lot of posturing. There's a whole lot of not good on that report
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 20, 2022, 07:12:23 PM
Bucs Injury Report
https://www.buccaneers.com/news/rams-buccaneers-injury-report-jan-20-sean-murphy-bunting-upgraded
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 21, 2022, 06:08:38 AM
MVS notwithstanding, Packers fans better hope this is a lot of posturing. There's a whole lot of not good on that report

Most of those guys haven't played all year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2022, 12:22:11 PM
Jim Caldwell turning down interview offers. Seems to be focusing on Bears and Jags.

https://thespun.com/nfl/afc-west/las-vegas-raiders/jim-caldwell-reportedly-declined-interview-requests-from-2-teams
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 21, 2022, 12:37:25 PM
IMO, having Billy Turner back is way more impactful than having Bakhtiari back.  Bak has been on the field for a quarter or two the entire year? 

Jaire, Z'darius and Mercellus are all bonuses at this point. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 21, 2022, 12:55:53 PM
I'm not sure they had many options with Rhule clearly being a lame duck coach, but the Panthers hiring Ben McAdoo as offensive coordinator?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 21, 2022, 02:05:10 PM
IMO, having Billy Turner back is way more impactful than having Bakhtiari back.  Bak has been on the field for a quarter or two the entire year? 

Jaire, Z'darius and Mercellus are all bonuses at this point.
Except kelly has played almost as well or as well as Turner, so not much gain there. Bakhtiari is a clear upgrade over Nijman. The question is how well Bak holds up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 21, 2022, 02:21:08 PM
Jim Caldwell turning down interview offers. Seems to be focusing on Bears and Jags.

https://thespun.com/nfl/afc-west/las-vegas-raiders/jim-caldwell-reportedly-declined-interview-requests-from-2-teams

of course he'd want to go to those two franchises, mediocrity would be celebrated
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 21, 2022, 02:22:42 PM
Except kelly has played almost as well or as well as Turner, so not much gain there. Bakhtiari is a clear upgrade over Nijman. The question is how well Bak holds up.


My assumption is that Turner was going to replace Nijman.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 21, 2022, 02:43:19 PM

My assumption is that Turner was going to replace Nijman.
Yes that's an upgrade
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2022, 04:26:45 PM
of course he'd want to go to those two franchises, mediocrity would be celebrated
Caldwell got the Lions to the playoffs twice. That is a pretty talented coach in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 21, 2022, 04:46:23 PM
Caldwell got the Lions to the playoffs twice. That is a pretty talented coach in my opinion.

he couldn't beat winning teams (4 wins in 4 years) and the team melted down in 2016, losing their last three and having to go to Seattle for the playoffs (where they forgot to show up).  Then in 2017 they were mediocre in the second half of the season and missed the playoffs. He is what he is, mediocre.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 21, 2022, 04:58:58 PM
he couldn't beat winning teams (4 wins in 4 years) and the team melted down in 2016, losing their last three and having to go to Seattle for the playoffs (where they forgot to show up).  Then in 2017 they were mediocre in the second half of the season and missed the playoffs. He is what he is, mediocre.
Caldwell a good coach imo and a good guy. The coaches before and after him did worse and he had to work for crap franchise and crap front office with crap culture. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on January 21, 2022, 05:15:44 PM
I don't think he's excellent, but he's a clear outlier on this list and deserves another shot. Caldwell is the only lions coach since 1996 to not fail miserably.

   Marty Mornhinweg†   2001–2002   32   5   27   0   .156   0   –   –   –   
   Steve Mariucci   2003–2005      15   28   0   .349   0   –   –   –   
   Rod Marinelli†   2006–2008      10   38   0   .208   0   –   –   –   
        Jim Schwartz†   2009–2013      29   51   0   .363   0   1   0   1   
   Jim Caldwell   2014–2017      36   28   0   .563   0   2   0   2   
   Matt Patricia†   2018–2020      13   28   1   .321   0   –   –   –   
   Dan Campbell   2021–present      3   13   1   .206   0
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 21, 2022, 05:23:24 PM
he couldn't beat winning teams (4 wins in 4 years) and the team melted down in 2016, losing their last three and having to go to Seattle for the playoffs (where they forgot to show up).  Then in 2017 they were mediocre in the second half of the season and missed the playoffs. He is what he is, mediocre.
That was the season where Stafford hit Golden Tate with what was initially ruled the game winning touchdown against Atlanta with 9 seconds to go.   The review showed his knee hit the ground with the ball an inch short of the goal line.   The Lions did not have a TO left and they ran off the final 9 seconds with the Lions waiting to snap the football.   The Lions lost the game, finished 9-7 when 10-6 made the playoffs.    Quinn had his reason to fire Caldwell and hire Patricia.   
Caldwell can coach.  Perhaps not well enough to win it all, but certainly well enough take. the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 21, 2022, 05:44:43 PM
My problem with Caldwell as a hire for the bears, is his age. I'm not sure how innovative he'd be. I'm sure he's also got "his guys" for coordinators/position coaches as he's been around a while. Again, not sure how that plays out for creativity.

Lovie was a good coach. He hired crap staff around him cause they were "his guys". Mike Tice as on offensive coordinator? Etc.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 21, 2022, 05:49:19 PM
My problem with Caldwell as a hire for the bears, is his age. I'm not sure how innovative he'd be. I'm sure he's also got "his guys" for coordinators/position coaches as he's been around a while. Again, not sure how that plays out for creativity.

Lovie was a good coach. He hired crap staff around him cause they were "his guys". Mike Tice as on offensive coordinator? Etc.
Well they hired Nagy as the young, up and coming innovative offensive coach. How did that work out?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on January 21, 2022, 05:54:24 PM
Packers roll tomorrow.

No prediction on the AFC game but hope Cincinnati can pull it out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 21, 2022, 06:19:58 PM
Well they hired Nagy as the young, up and coming innovative offensive coach. How did that work out?

So that disproves my statement?

I don't want a specialist/guru as HC. I want a CEO culture/leader.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 21, 2022, 06:33:32 PM
So that disproves my statement?

I don't want a specialist/guru as HC. I want a CEO culture/leader.
Well maybe i am misunderstanding what you wrote. Did you not say,  your problem with Caldwell is his age. You were not sure how innovative he would be, or how creative his assistants would be. There was nothing in your post about ceo/culture/leader. If that is what you want Caldwell is your guy.

My point was the innovative guys dont always work out either.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 21, 2022, 07:25:00 PM
Well maybe i am misunderstanding what you wrote. Did you not say,  your problem with Caldwell is his age. You were not sure how innovative he would be, or how creative his assistants would be. There was nothing in your post about ceo/culture/leader. If that is what you want Caldwell is your guy.

My point was the innovative guys dont always work out either.

But Caldwell's downfall, imo, is his age and being enveloped by the "good ol' boys" club.

He'll hire his buddies like Lovie did - tice, tucker, babich, etc. He won't be hiring a up and coming coordinator to modernize the offense, etc.

Does that make sense?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 21, 2022, 07:38:43 PM
But Caldwell's downfall, imo, is his age and being enveloped by the "good ol' boys" club.

He'll hire his buddies like Lovie did - tice, tucker, babich, etc. He won't be hiring a up and coming coordinator to modernize the offense, etc.

Does that make sense?
Sure
, if the McCaskys knew what the hell they were doing they would ask those questions and make sure they were on the same page with what type of assistant they want and the direction they want the team to go.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 21, 2022, 08:54:01 PM
Tristan Wirfs and Ryan Jensen limited participation in practice today for the Bucs. So it is possible they could play on Sunday.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/21/ryan-jensen-tristan-wirfs-practicing-for-bucs-on-friday/

https://www.buccaneers.com/news/rams-buccaneers-injury-report-jan-21-ronald-jones-breshad-perriman-ruled-out
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 21, 2022, 10:25:59 PM
But Caldwell's downfall, imo, is his age and being enveloped by the "good ol' boys" club.

He'll hire his buddies like Lovie did - tice, tucker, babich, etc. He won't be hiring a up and coming coordinator to modernize the offense, etc.

Does that make sense?

Yes. But remember - he is being hired by his good buddy Bill Polian who has zero skin in the game. He’ll tell McCaskey who to hire and then collect his huge fee. No consequences.

I don’t think he would be a bad coach. He has a high floor. But also a low ceiling.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 22, 2022, 12:23:40 AM
I'm not sure they had many options with Rhule clearly being a lame duck coach, but the Panthers hiring Ben McAdoo as offensive coordinator?

That's what the ESPN bottom line said. I don't know much about him as I don't follow the Giants. I'm sure I'll be reading plenty about him in the coming days from the Charlotte paper and The Athletic.

But yes, Rhule's options were limited. First, he's a lame duck. Second, he stated publicly that he wanted a guy with NFL offensive coordinator experience, meaning he was eliminating successful college guys or NFL guys who were one step below OC but maybe ready to take that next step.

As always, I'll be open-minded. The results will speak for themselves. If the Panthers don't fix their OL and get better QB play, Bill Walsh could rise from the dead to take over the offense and it wouldn't matter.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 22, 2022, 08:42:30 AM
From the Charlotte Observer on the Panthers' new OC ...

Like the Panthers in 2021, the Giants were struggling in 2013. They ranked 28th in the league in points per game. And Eli Manning, who had won two Super Bowls with the franchise, was starting to decline.

So they hired McAdoo, who had had success in Green Bay as both a tight ends and a quarterbacks coach. In his first season calling plays, McAdoo helped the Giants get to 13th in the league in points per game in 2014. The following year, they improved to sixth. Manning went from throwing 18 touchdowns and 27 interceptions in 2013 to 30 touchdowns and 14 interceptions in 2014.

When McAdoo became the head coach of the Giants in 2016, they finished 11-5 and made the playoffs before losing in the wild-card round. They were 8-3 in games decided by a touchdown or less.


As I said, I'll stay open-minded. I'm generally an optimist regarding the teams I root for, so I'm gonna go in thinking McAdoo will be good for the team. Then we'll see if he is.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 10:39:19 AM
One less Hall of Fame vote for AB
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ron-cook/2022/01/22/ron-cook-antonio-brown-tampa-bay-buccaneers-nfl/stories/202201230083
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 22, 2022, 11:53:49 AM
One less Hall of Fame vote for AB
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ron-cook/2022/01/22/ron-cook-antonio-brown-tampa-bay-buccaneers-nfl/stories/202201230083

So he is not going to vote AB as a hall of fame, because he believes AB has mental health issues, that AB denies? Many with mental health issues have a hard time coming to the realization that they need help. Not a reason to not vote for someone into the hall of fame.

What does the writer think about voting in Tom Brady, who has multiple confirmed episodes of cheating on his record, that he tries to deny?

Whether AB gets into the hall should be based on what he did on the field, not whether or not he has and admits he has mental health issues. Especially when it is very clear that Arians was lying about some of the details regarding AB walking off...Arians claimed he had no idea AB had injury issues.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 12:09:59 PM
Yes. But remember - he is being hired by his good buddy Bill Polian who has zero skin in the game. He’ll tell McCaskey who to hire and then collect his huge fee. No consequences.

I don’t think he would be a bad coach. He has a high floor. But also a low ceiling.

He was good at both Indy and Detroit. If he hires good coordinators, it could most definitely work out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 02:56:22 PM
He was good at both Indy and Detroit. If he hires good coordinators, it could most definitely work out.

I see 2 potential issues.

1. He had Manning or Stafford in Indy & Detroit. Fields is not close to either as a player. Obviously rookie seasons are always iffy, but I don't think he will come close to those guys. In his one season without either of those guys, I think Caldwell was 2-14. (a great lesson for those that think GB would still be a North Division contender if Rodgers leaves).

2. The Bears front office. A self-admitted "fan" is in charge. We don't know what the relationship with a GM will be like since Caldwell won't be his "guy" (assuming Caldwell is hired first). We also don't know what say Caldwell will have with personnel.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2022, 03:03:37 PM
I see 2 potential issues.

1. He had Manning or Stafford in Indy & Detroit. Fields is not close to either as a player. Obviously rookie seasons are always iffy, but I don't think he will come close to those guys. In his one season without either of those guys, I think Caldwell was 2-14. (a great lesson for those that think GB would still be a North Division contender if Rodgers leaves).

2. The Bears front office. A self-admitted "fan" is in charge. We don't know what the relationship with a GM will be like since Caldwell won't be his "guy" (assuming Caldwell is hired first). We also don't know what say Caldwell will have with personnel.

I agree with this.  Until proven otherwise, coaches are setup to fail in Chicago and Jacksonville
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 03:04:51 PM
I see 2 potential issues.

1. He had Manning or Stafford in Indy & Detroit. Fields is not close to either as a player. Obviously rookie seasons are always iffy, but I don't think he will come close to those guys. In his one season without either of those guys, I think Caldwell was 2-14. (a great lesson for those that think GB would still be a North Division contender if Rodgers leaves).

2. The Bears front office. A self-admitted "fan" is in charge. We don't know what the relationship with a GM will be like since Caldwell won't be his "guy" (assuming Caldwell is hired first). We also don't know what say Caldwell will have with personnel.

Agree with you regarding #2. Definitely a concern and why Polian should not have been the guy to begin with.

Regarding #1, I get it, but any coach was going to be bad when the QB gets hurt. I just look at his work in Detroit, which was good.

Look I’m not hiring him if I’m the Bears. But I’m not writing it off completely if they do either. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 04:10:40 PM
Agree with you regarding #2. Definitely a concern and why Polian should not have been the guy to begin with.

Regarding #1, I get it, but any coach was going to be bad when the QB gets hurt. I just look at his work in Detroit, which was good.

Look I’m not hiring him if I’m the Bears. But I’m not writing it off completely if they do either.

Sounds like we are pretty close to agreeing.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 22, 2022, 04:13:40 PM
Allegedly, Polian pushing hard for Eberflus as HC and Morocco Brown as GM

Now, it could be totally coincidence...

But I find it interesting that the "consultant" with deep Indy ties is pushing 2 current Indy staff.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 04:25:37 PM
Allegedly, Polian pushing hard for Eberflus as HC and Morocco Brown as GM

Now, it could be totally coincidence...

But I find it interesting that the "consultant" with deep Indy ties is pushing 2 current Indy staff.

Doesn’t look like either worked for Indy when he was team president though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 04:43:54 PM
Doesn’t look like either worked for Indy when he was team president though.

Since Polian comes from a culture where he was team president, I’m surprised he’s not pushing the Bears in that direction. A Mark Murphy/Theo Epstein type hierarchy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 04:49:02 PM
Since Polian comes from a culture where he was team president, I’m surprised he’s not pushing the Bears in that direction. A Mark Murphy/Theo Epstein type hierarchy.

That’s going to require the McCaskeys giving up some control.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 22, 2022, 05:05:16 PM
Doesn’t look like either worked for Indy when he was team president though.

You don't think he isn't still close with Indy org?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 05:09:33 PM
You don't think he isn't still close with Indy org?

I have no idea. He hasn’t been employed by them for over a decade.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 05:18:41 PM
Meanwhile The Jags are screwing their search up as expected.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jaguars-gm-trent-baalke-strongly-backing-colts-matt-eberflus-in-coach-search-with-bill-obrien-out-of-mix/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 05:32:38 PM
Meanwhile The Jags are screwing their search up as expected.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jaguars-gm-trent-baalke-strongly-backing-colts-matt-eberflus-in-coach-search-with-bill-obrien-out-of-mix/

Anyone who has Bill O’Brien as their 1st choice for HC shouldn’t be allowed in a position to choose.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 22, 2022, 05:45:57 PM
No Bahktiari tonight. Yuck.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 06:03:53 PM
Burrow really takes some bad sacks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2022, 06:12:15 PM
Burrow really takes some bad sacks.

Reminds me of a young Rodgers
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 22, 2022, 06:21:46 PM
The Bengals would not regret spending all of their draft capital on offensive linemen.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2022, 06:31:15 PM
This is one of the dumber playoff games of all time
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 06:32:31 PM
Tomorrows winner is going to crush the Bengals.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2022, 06:38:58 PM
Tomorrows winner is going to crush the Bengals.

Titans gave them that game with the turnovers and bizarre end of halfs
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 22, 2022, 06:42:57 PM
*Charles Barkley voice* The Titans are the dumbest team in the NFL
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 22, 2022, 06:45:57 PM
Titans would have been much better had Henry not played.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 22, 2022, 06:47:00 PM
Trying to remember a worse top seed. I’m sure there’s been one, but that’s a decent but nowhere near great Tennessee team.

Burrow’s a tough SOB.

As for the next game … methinks GB covers 5 1/2 with room to spare.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 06:49:54 PM
Fox’s pregame is need of a reset.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: pbiflyer on January 22, 2022, 07:07:52 PM
Fox’s pregame is need of a reset.
And drug testing the graphics guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 22, 2022, 07:26:27 PM
And drug testing the graphics guy.

The cartoons they started a few years ago might be one of the worst things I’ve seen.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 22, 2022, 07:32:04 PM
Welcome back Z!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 07:42:16 PM
Gonna get overturned.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 07:55:37 PM
Packer Defense is very physical tonight. Love to see that in these frigid conditions. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 22, 2022, 08:01:50 PM
Man, Mercedes’ fumble was a massive momentum changer. Packers were well on their way to 14-0.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 22, 2022, 08:14:22 PM
Offense is too predictable right now. Need to take a deep shot on 1st down at some point.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 22, 2022, 08:15:49 PM
The Packers will probably win this one going away, but man, it should not be 7-0 right now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 08:21:28 PM
Kittle has real talent.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 22, 2022, 08:24:48 PM
The Packers will probably win this one going away, but man, it should not be 7-0 right now.

Less confident than I was before the turnover. Playcalling has grown very conservative
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 08:25:51 PM
Man, Mercedes’ fumble was a massive momentum changer. Packers were well on their way to 14-0.

They’ve had plenty of opportunities since then.  Defense has stepped up repeatedly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 08:26:45 PM
Less confident than I was before the turnover. Playcalling has grown very conservative

They just don’t have anyone to stretch the field if they double Davante. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 22, 2022, 08:31:52 PM
This week isn’t the issue. Goropolo is just another NFC North QB.

But yeah. No weapons besides Davante. Guty needs to fix that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 22, 2022, 08:36:37 PM
Hearing the crowd erupt before we even saw how open Jones was pretty awesome. Wish he went out of bounds though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 08:36:57 PM
Wow what a play from Rodgers to Jones
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 22, 2022, 08:37:34 PM
There just cannot be a world in which Mo Drayton has this job after this year
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 08:37:59 PM
I have said it every game this year.

Special teams SUCK.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 22, 2022, 08:38:13 PM
It’s amazing this game is 7-0 at half. That’s not a compliment to either side.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 08:38:48 PM
I have said it every game this year.

Special teams SUCK.
I agree with this analysis.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 08:39:30 PM
I guaranteed it would cost them a game. Hope this isn’t it.

2 bad punts, allowing a long return and now this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 22, 2022, 08:39:37 PM
Good to see the Special Teams isn’t showing any rust from the bye week.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 22, 2022, 08:43:04 PM
Crosby never had a chance. Dude was on him quicker than flies ta chit, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 08:47:43 PM
Now we have to kick off again.  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 08:48:43 PM
Jones should have run along the sidelines as far as he could and gone out of bounds to save the TO. I think he would have gone further and would have given them multiple opportunities for TD.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 22, 2022, 08:49:48 PM
Good to see the Special Teams isn’t showing any rust from the bye week.
Underrated comment  :D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 08:51:37 PM
Fire him now. On the spot.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 22, 2022, 08:52:42 PM
I'm just reminding myself that if the Packers lose, this quarterback deserves this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 22, 2022, 09:06:59 PM
Yeah, not feeling good about this one. Rodger's is playing tentative.

SF defense stepping up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 22, 2022, 09:11:22 PM
Dfence iz gonna haveta turnum over resultin' ina score, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 22, 2022, 09:12:17 PM
Deebo gets absolutely lit up. 9ers medical staff is like, “EVERYONE SOCIAL DISTANCE!”
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 22, 2022, 09:15:57 PM
0 targets to wide receivers not named Davante Adams almost 3 quarters into the game. Not great.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 22, 2022, 09:41:16 PM
SF shoulda kicked
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 22, 2022, 09:41:49 PM
Defense came to play.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 22, 2022, 09:43:23 PM
There’s been some brutal fourth and 1 offensive play calls today.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 09:45:10 PM
SF shoulda kicked
I agree with this analysis
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 22, 2022, 09:49:10 PM
Special Teams are excellent.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 22, 2022, 09:49:25 PM
What an absolute joke.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 22, 2022, 09:49:35 PM
Lol
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 22, 2022, 09:49:36 PM
Lol, I mean their special teams have killed them all year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 22, 2022, 09:51:01 PM
Unreal
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 22, 2022, 09:52:05 PM
Blocked FG and blocked punt. That just can't happen at this level.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: pbiflyer on January 22, 2022, 09:52:48 PM
Wojo to GB as special teams coach?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 09:53:21 PM
Offensive line has been bruta all game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 09:54:22 PM
This team is not serious about winning.

This was inevitable.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 22, 2022, 09:56:02 PM
Well this is going to be all up to the defense now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 10:00:10 PM
Even I can’t believe this.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 22, 2022, 10:03:01 PM
Now they just need plain old luck.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 22, 2022, 10:07:16 PM
Packers deserve this
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 22, 2022, 10:08:57 PM
Wow.  Stunning loss by GB. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 22, 2022, 10:09:19 PM
Wow, what a colossal choke job.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 22, 2022, 10:10:43 PM
Man, that’s frustrating.

Special teams blew it but offense didn’t exactly do a whole lot after the first five minutes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 22, 2022, 10:12:12 PM
Those were two money kicks to win playoff games. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 22, 2022, 10:12:25 PM
Robby Gould!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 22, 2022, 10:14:01 PM
Ngl, seeing Robbie kick the game winner felt real good.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 22, 2022, 10:14:22 PM
Packers deserve this
Yup, crapty special teams and a terrible showing from Mr. Immunized
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 22, 2022, 10:14:41 PM
Glad I watched 18 weeks for this $hit.

Packers now officially enter a decade of mediocrity.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 22, 2022, 10:15:05 PM
Robby Gould!
Can someone tell me why The Bears got rid of Robbie Gould?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: aands86 on January 22, 2022, 10:16:26 PM
I'm just reminding myself that if the Packers lose, this quarterback deserves this.

This
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 22, 2022, 10:16:38 PM
Robby Gould!

There was a zero percent chance he was missing that.  20/20 in playoff games.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 22, 2022, 10:17:15 PM
(https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2021/10/bV2Xz3.jpg?w=1024&h=576&crop=1)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Babybluejeans on January 22, 2022, 10:17:30 PM
Lulz. No one outside GB rooting for Rodgers to win this one. Schadenfreude is the winner.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 22, 2022, 10:17:38 PM
Can someone tell me why The Bears got rid of Robbie Gould?

Because they are the Bears Herman.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 10:18:16 PM
As I said, this is not a serious team.

Second time in, what, 7 years that STs kept them from the SB. And it’s not even a surprise. ST were bad right from Game 1 and nothing was done.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 10:19:24 PM
This ranks second to the choke job v. the Seahawks but it is right up there.

I know how blessed I have been as a Packer fan since 1992, but I have never been more frustrated as I have been the last two years.  Rodgers is clearly on the downside, and you probably need to trade him now.  (He's not the MVP.)  But Love sucks, and La Fleur...well...I don't know.  His record is great but special teams was a problem all year long and it was just never fixed.  I mean, I'm not saying they should get rid of him, but this season doesn't leave me with any confidence.  I mean, this game could have been won multiple times, and no one stepped up.

It's time for the downhill slide that for years we knew was coming.

And let's stop with the nonsense that wintery weather is some sort of Packer advantage.  That went out the window when Michael Vick ran all over the Packers years ago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on January 22, 2022, 10:19:35 PM
Maurice Drayton should be tarred and feathered and sent to the Austin Straubel airport before the end of the night..

Rodgers with another uninspiring playoff game... 

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 10:20:36 PM
And apparently there were 10 men on the field for the FG defense at the end.  If true, how appropriate.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: mu_hilltopper on January 22, 2022, 10:20:37 PM
Hey look, this season the Vikings have as many playoff wins as the Packers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 22, 2022, 10:20:43 PM
Because they are the Bears Herman.

Hindsight is so 20/20 on that one.

He was coming off of an awful year, had some injuries and was due for a new contract. Bears weren’t (and shouldn’t have) given him the money he was looking for.

He bounced back unbelievably well
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 22, 2022, 10:21:47 PM
Packers only had 10 men on the field for Gould’s walk off FG.

You can’t make this stuff up.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2022, 10:22:51 PM
Aaron Rodgers is a loser
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 10:23:03 PM
I think this team is headed to the wilderness.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 22, 2022, 10:23:44 PM
Where do the packers even go from here? Sign Rodgers and let Adams walk? They have no one outside of Adams at receiver.

Resign Adams and Rodgers leaves? Love blows, they’re not winning anything with him.

It’s an end of an era and what a pathetic bow out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 22, 2022, 10:23:59 PM
Packers only had 10 men on the field for Gould’s walk off FG.

You can’t make this stuff up.

Other than that, though. special Teams played well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2022, 10:27:20 PM
Where do the packers even go from here? Sign Rodgers and let Adams walk? They have no one outside of Adams at receiver.

Resign Adams and Rodgers leaves? Love blows, they’re not winning anything with him.

It’s an end of an era and what a pathetic bow out.

Aaron Rodgers is a loser
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 10:27:27 PM
Where do the packers even go from here? Sign Rodgers and let Adams walk? They have no one outside of Adams at receiver.

Resign Adams and Rodgers leaves? Love blows, they’re not winning anything with him.

It’s an end of an era and what a pathetic bow out.


It's been 30 great years, with way more ups than downs.  Two Super Bowl wins more than I ever thought I would see them win growing up with them in the 70s and 80s. 

But honestly they need to trade Rodgers.  After the first drive, he just didn't look good.  And Adams isn't going to sign here.  So you franchise him and watch him sulk through next year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 22, 2022, 10:31:26 PM
This ranks second to the choke job v. the Seahawks but it is right up there.

I know how blessed I have been as a Packer fan since 1992, but I have never been more frustrated as I have been the last two years.  Rodgers is clearly on the downside, and you probably need to trade him now.  (He's not the MVP.)  But Love sucks, and La Fleur...well...I don't know.  His record is great but special teams was a problem all year long and it was just never fixed.  I mean, I'm not saying they should get rid of him, but this season doesn't leave me with any confidence.  I mean, this game could have been won multiple times, and no one stepped up.

It's time for the downhill slide that for years we knew was coming.

And let's stop with the nonsense that wintery weather is some sort of Packer advantage.  That went out the window when Michael Vick ran all over the Packers years ago.

Isn't Rodgers still the best QB in the league?  At least statistically? 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUeng on January 22, 2022, 10:32:54 PM
This team has proven it can't win in the playoffs. Rodgers can't win in the playoffs. Gotta save the organization and blow up the roster a bit. Let both adams and Rodgers go. Jimmy is slightly worse than hot trash yet the 9ers win because of their lines. That's the key, always has been
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Boone on January 22, 2022, 10:33:21 PM
Now Rodgers has more time to research Covid vaccine alternatives
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2022, 10:33:44 PM
Isn't Rodgers still the best QB in the league?  At least statistically?

He’s a loser
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 22, 2022, 10:36:49 PM
He’s a loser

Faur enough.  I respect this opinion.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 22, 2022, 10:37:45 PM
Burn it down. Salvage what you can
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 22, 2022, 10:38:21 PM
Isn't Rodgers still the best QB in the league?  At least statistically?
Maybe, but he sucked most of the game. For a guy that is supposed to be hyperaccurate, he was constantly low and off. He also refused to throw to multiple open guys in favor of trying to force it into Davante. He's also been a massive headache. If you can get multiple 1st rounders I think you pull the trigger and go for a full rebuild, include drafting a real QB, because Love isn't even backup material from what he has shown so far.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 22, 2022, 10:38:33 PM
After the first drive, Rodgers looked like he didn’t want to be out there. I know he didn’t target another WR until late, but if you watched that game, he stared down Adams on virtually every pass play. Vintage Rodgers would look guys off, get Lazard or Cobb going somewhat, and for whatever reason, he never looked off Adams. Very odd game from him tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 10:39:11 PM
Isn't Rodgers still the best QB in the league?  At least statistically? 

I don't care about stats.  He is not the best QB in the league.  After the blocked punt, when they really needed a drive, he was throwing up jump balls on third and long.  This is exactly how he looked last year against Tampa when the game was on the line.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 22, 2022, 10:41:02 PM
Does the Packers' coach know what he's doing?   He certainly can't be worse than Nagy?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on January 22, 2022, 10:41:57 PM
yep, when it matters, he does not compete...


I don't care about stats.  He is not the best QB in the league.  After the blocked punt, when they really needed a drive, he was throwing up jump balls on third and long.  This is exactly how he looked last year against Tampa when the game was on the line.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 10:42:08 PM
Maybe, but he sucked most of the game. For a guy that is supposed to be hyperaccurate, he was constantly low and off. He also refused to throw to multiple open guys in favor of trying to force it into Davante. He's also been a massive headache. If you can get multiple 1st rounders I think you pull the trigger and go for a full rebuild, include drafting a real QB, because Love isn't even backup material from what he has shown so far.


I feel a Big Ben situation is coming.  The Steelers wasted a couple years delaying the rebuild.  The Packers should pull the trigger and move on.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Mutaman on January 22, 2022, 10:46:22 PM
Maybe we should have signed Beckham.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 22, 2022, 10:49:29 PM
I would be shocked if GB can get multiple 1sr rounders for Rodgers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GoldenZebra on January 22, 2022, 10:51:40 PM
After all the excuses about the last couple years, Rodgers was a dud. again. truly frustrating to see someone that acts so entitled  and never delivers when it counts. Special teams didnt do any favors but hes the QB
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 10:55:37 PM
Special teams didnt do any favors


Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lostpassword on January 22, 2022, 11:11:42 PM
It’s an end of an era and what a pathetic bow out.

Last dance a dud
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on January 22, 2022, 11:13:20 PM
Time to blow it up.

Defense played very well. Don’t deserve to win playoff games if you score 10 points.

Special teams were obviously awful all year and continued to be tonight.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 22, 2022, 11:13:45 PM
After the first drive, Rodgers looked like he didn’t want to be out there. I know he didn’t target another WR until late, but if you watched that game, he stared down Adams on virtually every pass play. Vintage Rodgers would look guys off, get Lazard or Cobb going somewhat, and for whatever reason, he never looked off Adams. Very odd game from him tonight.

Reminds me a bit of Favre against the Giants. He hasn’t been a great playoff performer outside of the Super Bowl year. You could tell he was feeling the pressure.

Even going to the Bostick game, the offense stalled to keep that close.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 22, 2022, 11:14:33 PM
Ryan Tannehill might be available.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: aands86 on January 22, 2022, 11:17:13 PM
Does the Packers' coach know what he's doing?   He certainly can't be worse than Nagy?
Not worse than Nagy
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 22, 2022, 11:19:24 PM
Trade Rodgers to Denver for the #9 overall pick and Drew Lock's one year contract.  Maybe try to get one of their two second rounders instead.  But that's about all you are going to be able to get.  The market isn't going to be as hot as people think.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 23, 2022, 06:12:36 AM
Trade Rodgers to Denver for the #9 overall pick and Drew Lock's one year contract.  Maybe try to get one of their two second rounders instead.  But that's about all you are going to be able to get.  The market isn't going to be as hot as people think.
I guess the days of Derek Carr and multiple first round picks are over.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2022, 06:59:28 AM
I guess the days of Derek Carr and multiple first round picks are over.

It’s a long off-season and teams are desperate for big name QBs
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 23, 2022, 07:08:17 AM
Sean Payton likely out (“retirement”) in New Orleans.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2022, 07:20:16 AM
Sean Payton likely out (“retirement”) in New Orleans.

Dallas?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2022, 07:23:48 AM
Dallas?

Sit out a year or so it sounds like and do some TV
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on January 23, 2022, 07:34:35 AM
On reflection, what bothers me the most about Green Bay last night was the defense gave up Six points. Never once let the Niners get in the end zone.

The much ballyhooed offense did well on the first drive and then did NOTHING else all night. I’ve watched Aaron Rodgers do magic over his career  against really good teams but last night, when it mattered most, it was the Green Bay defense that played like champions.

The one guy on offense I really like is AJ Dillon. He is a world class stud.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 23, 2022, 08:26:01 AM
At 4 am I responded to a heart attack call.  I noticed Packer swag throughout the living room as I walked in.  The gentleman was calm and composed and stable.  His wife walks in and asks him if he knows how the game ended.  He said he did not, that he had gone to bed in the 4th quarter.

"THOSE SORRY SONS A BITCHES CHOKED."

So her priorities were properly aligned.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Nukem2 on January 23, 2022, 08:48:12 AM
On reflection, what bothers me the most about Green Bay last night was the defense gave up Six points. Never once let the Niners get in the end zone.

The much ballyhooed offense did well on the first drive and then did NOTHING else all night. I’ve watched Aaron Rodgers do magic over his career  against really good teams but last night, when it mattered most, it was the Green Bay defense that played like champions.

The one guy on offense I really like is AJ Dillon. He is a world class stud.
Dillon sat out most of the second half with injured ribs.  Really could have used him.  Alas.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 23, 2022, 09:31:21 AM
Is Maurice Drayton still employed? Fire his ass and ask for a salary refund.
BTW, if the Pack decides to peddle Rogers' ass, they'll get a ton in return.
Personally, I think he'll be back, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2022, 09:39:05 AM
Is Maurice Drayton still employed? Fire his ass and ask for a salary refund.
BTW, if the Pack decides to peddle Rogers' ass, they'll get a ton in return.
Personally, I think he'll be back, hey?

He’s a loser
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: NolongerWarriors on January 23, 2022, 10:04:22 AM
LaFleur worries more about waxing his eyebrows and waving his arms around like an idiot trying to fire up the crowd than actually winning a big game.

Every single Packers fan who called into sports talk radio and worried about special teams and the lack of a decent compliment to Adams and was mocked by the host/beat reporter was proven right.

The eye test never lies and the Packers NEVER looked like a dominant team this year.  And we all knew special teams would come back to bite them in the end.

Gonna laugh when Rodgers is traded and the Jordan Love era begins and he becomes the worst QB in the NFL.  The guy was horribly inaccurate in college and he hasn't improved one bit.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 23, 2022, 10:45:28 AM
Trade Rodgers to Denver for the #9 overall pick and Drew Lock's one year contract.  Maybe try to get one of their two second rounders instead.  But that's about all you are going to be able to get.  The market isn't going to be as hot as people think.

One year of Drew Lock and the #9 overall for Aaron Rodgers? If I’m Denver I’m all in on that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 23, 2022, 10:52:04 AM
I don’t know about blaming Rodgers lack of weapons. It sounds like guys were getting open. He just wasn’t throwing it to them. Also, he kept throwing low.

It seemed like all the bad habits from the end of the McCarthy era showed up after the first two drives.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 23, 2022, 11:28:00 AM
One year of Drew Lock and the #9 overall for Aaron Rodgers? If I’m Denver I’m all in on that.

The Dolphins would beat that offer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: rocket surgeon on January 23, 2022, 11:31:36 AM
Is Maurice Drayton still employed? Fire his ass and ask for a salary refund.
BTW, if the Pack decides to peddle Rogers' ass, they'll get a ton in return.
Personally, I think he'll be back, hey?

 no chit ey-even sister bertille was screaming mid season about special teams.  pregame blather all on special teams being packers achilles's heal...what happen's?  special teams chits the bed for packers season

prediction-mo reece he gowne, rodgers stays and they pick up a couple more weapons for the man
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: NolongerWarriors on January 23, 2022, 11:50:35 AM
I don’t know about blaming Rodgers lack of weapons. It sounds like guys were getting open. He just wasn’t throwing it to them. Also, he kept throwing low.

It seemed like all the bad habits from the end of the McCarthy era showed up after the first two drives.

One thing that didn't get nearly enough attention this season was how often Rodgers is unable to hit receivers in stride.  They make the catch but can't do much after.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Babybluejeans on January 23, 2022, 12:00:34 PM
Not a Packers fan and only saw a few GB games this year, but did notice LaFleur waving his hands for the crowd to make noise in several of them. My girlfriend, who doesn’t watch football, walked by last night and commented “that guy waving his arms is the HEAD COACH? Why is he interacting with the crows? That’s weird right?”

Just enjoying all of this really.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2022, 12:38:04 PM
Not a Packers fan and only saw a few GB games this year, but did notice LaFleur waving his hands for the crowd to make noise in several of them. My girlfriend, who doesn’t watch football, walked by last night and commented “that guy waving his arms is the HEAD COACH? Why is he interacting with the crows? That’s weird right?”

Just enjoying all of this really.

Why is that strange?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2022, 12:38:50 PM
I don’t know about blaming Rodgers lack of weapons. It sounds like guys were getting open. He just wasn’t throwing it to them. Also, he kept throwing low.

It seemed like all the bad habits from the end of the McCarthy era showed up after the first two drives.

https://twitter.com/benfennell_nfl/status/1485261036404027393?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 23, 2022, 01:16:55 PM
https://twitter.com/benfennell_nfl/status/1485261036404027393?s=21
He did that multiple times. Choe job.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 23, 2022, 01:22:11 PM
https://twitter.com/benfennell_nfl/status/1485261036404027393?s=21

3 wide open receivers. Forces it to double covered davante
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2022, 01:37:12 PM
3 wide open receivers. Forces it to double covered davante

The idea the Packers can’t trade him because they won’t win is preposterous to be.  Hang onto him until he leaves as a FA or can’t play anymore?  Guy is a stone cold loser
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 23, 2022, 02:00:02 PM
The idea the Packers can’t trade him because they won’t win is preposterous to be.  Hang onto him until he leaves as a FA or can’t play anymore?  Guy is a stone cold loser

They may be reluctant to trade him because they know what they've got in Jordan Love.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2022, 02:01:12 PM
They may be reluctant to trade him because they know what they've got in Jordan Love.

Plenty of options out there
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 23, 2022, 03:20:07 PM
Mike Evans rocking a Wade MU jersey prior to today’s game.

https://twitter.com/kyle_burger/status/1485306524880846852?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 23, 2022, 03:24:53 PM
Rams have made Brady EXTREMELY uncomfortable. Also have been lights out on offense so far. Well on their way to hosting the NFC title game
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 23, 2022, 03:44:15 PM
Would have loved the Rams to score there at the end of the half, darn it.

Usually, I root for great games when my team's not playing, but I am SO sick of Brady that I'd love to see him lose by 40.

Didn't see much of the first half because I of course was watching us kick X's arse, but the little bit I saw it looked like Brady was dazed and confused. Keep it up, Rams!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 23, 2022, 03:46:33 PM
https://twitter.com/theStevenRuiz/status/1485129267780325376

That's kind of a crazy stat
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 23, 2022, 03:47:34 PM
https://twitter.com/theStevenRuiz/status/1485129267780325376

That's kind of a crazy stat

Thanks for posting that. Incredible.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 23, 2022, 03:51:33 PM
Who was the better Packers QB - favre or Rodgers?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2022, 03:53:12 PM
Who was the better Packers QB - favre or Rodgers?

Rodgers.  I enjoyed the Favre-era more however.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUeng on January 23, 2022, 03:54:13 PM
Thanks for posting that. Incredible.
how many rings does Alex Smith have??
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2022, 04:01:26 PM
Who was the better Packers QB - favre or Rodgers?

Rodgers but as someone else said, the Favre era was more fun
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 23, 2022, 04:10:26 PM
how many rings does Alex Smith have??


Doesn't matter one iota.

The point is that the 49ers have used a bunch of mediocre QBs to outperform a Green Bay team that has had one of the best QBs ever. Which I think you knew.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUeng on January 23, 2022, 04:12:17 PM

Doesn't matter one iota.

The point is that the 49ers have used a bunch of mediocre QBs to outperform a Green Bay team that has had one of the best QBs ever. Which I think you knew.
always fun though. Wait how many super bowls does SF have during that same time span?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 23, 2022, 04:13:22 PM
always fun though. Wait how many super bowls does SF have during that same time span?

0. So congratulations to the 9ers. They probably don’t regret Smith over Rodgers one bit.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2022, 04:15:19 PM

Doesn't matter one iota.

The point is that the 49ers have used a bunch of mediocre QBs to outperform a Green Bay team that has had one of the best QBs ever. Which I think you knew.


"Outperform?"  Pretty much every franchise out there would rather win one Super Bowl than lose two.  Hell, they would rather win one Super Bowl than lose ten.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUeng on January 23, 2022, 04:22:38 PM
0. So congratulations to the 9ers. They probably don’t regret Smith over Rodgers one bit.
Smith wasn't a bad pick by any means. It just turned out that Rodgers is 3x the quarterback Smith ever was so I think there may be some what ifs, both for Rodgers and the 9ers. I'm happy he fell to the pack though
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 23, 2022, 04:28:11 PM
We could be seeing the finale from two great quarterbacks within 24 hours this weekend.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 23, 2022, 04:28:27 PM
Smith wasn't a bad pick by any means. It just turned out that Rodgers is 3x the quarterback Smith ever was so I think there may be some what ifs, both for Rodgers and the 9ers. I'm happy he fell to the pack though

There is no doubt Rodgers is a far more talented overall QB.  However, would be very interesting to see what had happened if Smith got to sit behind Favre for a few years and Rodgers was thrown into a cluster in SF with 3 OCs in 3 years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2022, 04:46:36 PM
There is no doubt Rodgers is a far more talented overall QB.  However, would be very interesting to see what had happened if Smith got to sit behind Favre for a few years and Rodgers was thrown into a cluster in SF with 3 OCs in 3 years.

I mean, he had four seasons with Andy Reid pre-injury and he was…fine. I don’t think the turmoil at the beginning of his tenure was squelching a huge talent.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 23, 2022, 05:09:14 PM
We could be seeing the finale from two great quarterbacks within 24 hours this weekend.

Not if the Rams keep doing everything they possibly can to give the game away.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 23, 2022, 05:09:51 PM
The Rams don't have any feet left.   They have shot themselves in them so often.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 23, 2022, 05:11:07 PM
Probably wouldn’t let Akers touch the ball again, but that’s just me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 23, 2022, 05:14:04 PM
How the unnatural carnal knowledge does Brady continue to get every freakin' break imaginable?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 23, 2022, 05:15:50 PM
Dumb timeout
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 23, 2022, 05:21:03 PM
How the unnatural carnal knowledge does Brady continue to get every freakin' break imaginable?

Winners win.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 23, 2022, 05:23:48 PM
Winners win.

You talking about Stafford?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 23, 2022, 05:24:19 PM
They sure do.  Matthew freaking Stafford.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 23, 2022, 05:24:41 PM
They sure do.  Matthew freaking Stafford.

The better QB won.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2022, 05:24:56 PM
Can’t believe Tampa left Kupp one on one with a safety.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 23, 2022, 05:26:23 PM
LMAO. They left Kupp uncovered on the first half bomb, and now that
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 23, 2022, 05:26:30 PM
Todd Bowles should be removed from every team’s HC list.

Game on the line and there’s single coverage on the best receiver in the NFL this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 23, 2022, 05:26:41 PM
Winners win.
Fortunately I apparently cursed him. Just seems other teams fall apart completely separate from anything having to do with him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 23, 2022, 05:26:55 PM
Can’t believe Tampa left Kupp one on one with a safety.

The coaching in the NFL this weekend is as bad as I can remember in divisional playoff games.  Just brutal stuff across the board
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 23, 2022, 05:27:00 PM
Can’t believe Tampa left Kupp one on one with a safety.

Agreed. Monumentally stupid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 23, 2022, 05:27:47 PM
That’s a terrible time to blitz, the reward there is OT, the risk is exactly what happened. Awful play call by Todd Bowles.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 23, 2022, 05:28:29 PM
That was an epic collapse. LIke couldnt even try to blow a game worse than that.


Then Stafford happens. He had nothing to do with the choke either.

Great for him. What a ball.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2022, 05:29:28 PM
I mean why blitz?  The kicker left a 47 yard FG short earlier in the quarter. That’s as bad as Petine blitzing at the end of the first half last year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 23, 2022, 05:29:42 PM
Cooper Kupp should be the MVP.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 23, 2022, 06:28:36 PM
That was an epic collapse. LIke couldnt even try to blow a game worse than that.


Then Stafford happens. He had nothing to do with the choke either.

Great for him. What a ball.

This is a great take. Agree 100%.

As I said, I was hoping for a lopsided loss for Brady ... but in some ways this was even better.

Exhilarating sports day so far, with MU winning and that crazy finish. It will be tough for Bills-Chiefs to keep up ... but with Mahomes and Allen, maybe it will!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 23, 2022, 07:14:24 PM
It wasn’t so much as an epic collapse as it was bad luck. LA fumbled 4 times, Tampa recovered all 4 times. That’s insanely good luck (90:1 odds) for Tampa.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 23, 2022, 07:36:36 PM
It wasn’t so much as an epic collapse as it was bad luck. LA fumbled 4 times, Tampa recovered all 4 times. That’s insanely good luck (90:1 odds) for Tampa.

After Akers' last fumble, I said: "Effen Brady has a 4-leaf clover up his a$$."

Thankfully, Stafford and Kupp made those plays at the end.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 23, 2022, 08:28:00 PM
Wow, Kevin King-esque corner play by KC. So much time left though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 23, 2022, 08:28:22 PM
The torch was officially passed to the young guns this weekend.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 23, 2022, 08:34:36 PM
Taunting is a point of emphasis for officials this season, eh?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 23, 2022, 08:36:00 PM
Holy crap.    What a 4th quarter.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 23, 2022, 08:36:08 PM
Tyreek Hill is no 5'10.  5'8 actually?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 23, 2022, 08:39:21 PM
Unreal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 23, 2022, 08:40:41 PM
The NFL is the best. I will tolerate no dissent.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 23, 2022, 08:42:10 PM
The NFL is the best. I will tolerate no dissent.

Defense optional? 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 23, 2022, 08:43:00 PM
Taunting is a point of emphasis for officials this season, eh?

A taunting call while the play is in progress? Don’t think so.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 23, 2022, 08:44:52 PM
Defense optional?

Did you watch yesterday's games?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 23, 2022, 08:45:00 PM
WTF was that D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 23, 2022, 08:45:08 PM
Omg. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 23, 2022, 08:47:06 PM
After Buffalo scored I started to type that there was plenty of time for Mahomes (13 seconds) - then cancelled cuz that would be too stoopid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 23, 2022, 08:48:37 PM
Another Special Teams blunder. Kc only had time for the FG cuz they kicked to the end zone.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 23, 2022, 08:52:06 PM
No chance the Chiefs dont get a TD here
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 23, 2022, 08:57:09 PM
Crazy.  You've got to feel for Josh Allen. 32 pts in like 3 mins?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 23, 2022, 08:57:57 PM
Another Special Teams blunder. Kc only had time for the FG cuz they kicked to the end zone.

Oh....hadn't thought about that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2022, 08:58:10 PM
Really bad that this game was basically decided by a coin flip. Gotta give both teams a chance.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 23, 2022, 08:59:28 PM
NFL is forever broken until that rule is changed
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 23, 2022, 09:01:19 PM
Really bad that this game was basically decided by a coin flip. Gotta give both teams a chance.

Buffalo had a chance, they allowed the Chiefs to go 40+ yards in ten seconds to set up a field goal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 23, 2022, 09:01:41 PM
Really bad that this game was basically decided by a coin flip. Gotta give both teams a chance.

Buffalo had a chance. They let KC go through them like a hot knife through butter, though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2022, 09:02:08 PM
Buffalo had a chance, they allowed the Chiefs to go 40+ yards in ten seconds to set up a field goal.

I know. Both teams should get a possession in playoff overtime. Seems fundamentally unfair.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MuggsyB on January 23, 2022, 09:03:09 PM
Really bad that this game was basically decided by a coin flip. Gotta give both teams a chance.

Agreed.  That rule is stupid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 23, 2022, 09:03:15 PM
Buffalo had a chance. They let KC go through them like a hot knife through butter, though.

As would have Buffalo through KC’s. So it came down to the coin flip.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 23, 2022, 09:03:27 PM
Really bad that this game was basically decided by a coin flip. Gotta give both teams a chance.

You know, I've always been a "The defense can make a play too" kind of guy ... but in this game I can't help but agree with you. A shame that Josh Allen didn't get a chance, and the ending was weirdly anticlimactic. Was there any non-Bills fan who didn't think the Chiefs were gonna go right down the field there? (And probably lots of Bills fans, too.)

But hey, what a game, especially the fourth quarter. I've seen 1,000 football games, and that one was a classic. The level of QB play in that game ... very difficult to find many better shootouts than that with such high stakes.

I also have a stinkin' feeling that Marquette's win over Xavier won't be leading off Sportscenter -- further proof that ESPN hates Marquette!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 23, 2022, 09:04:08 PM
Buffalo had a chance, they allowed the Chiefs to go 40+ yards in ten seconds to set up a field goal.

And Buffalo refused to waste time by kicking in bounds. Shoulda squibbed.

Also, mahomes had to throw quick or deep. Should have had 2-3 rushers and rest drop back
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 23, 2022, 09:09:41 PM
And Buffalo refused to waste time by kicking in bounds. Shoulda squibbed.

Also, mahomes had to throw quick or deep. Should have had 2-3 rushers and rest drop back

I already mentioned this. Sean Mcdermott cost the game.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 23, 2022, 09:10:19 PM
And Buffalo refused to waste time by kicking in bounds. Shoulda squibbed.

Also, mahomes had to throw quick or deep. Should have had 2-3 rushers and rest drop back

I agree with you 100%. And had KC lost, they would have been able to be second-guessed, too. It was that kind of game, with a zillion little (and not-so-little) scenarios.

I mean, Gabriel Davis, who had 35 catches each of his two NFL seasons, was turned into Jerry Rice + Randy Moss + Larry Fitzgerald + Paul Warfield by the KC defense.

What a day for a sports fan, especially a Marquette fan who also loves pro football. Exhausting!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 23, 2022, 09:15:49 PM
I already mentioned this. Sean Mcdermott cost the game.

NFL coaches are surprisingly bad at clock management
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 23, 2022, 09:17:38 PM
And Buffalo refused to waste time by kicking in bounds. Shoulda squibbed.

Also, mahomes had to throw quick or deep. Should have had 2-3 rushers and rest drop back

The clock doesn’t start until it’s touched by the return team. The Chiefs player could have just taken a knee and maybe 1 or 2 seconds go off the clock, no more.

It was poor defense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 23, 2022, 09:19:28 PM
All 4 games had a scoring play on the last play in regulation. Wonder if that ever happened before.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 23, 2022, 09:21:27 PM
If the Bills hadn’t lost 9-6 to the Jags, that game tonight would have been in Buffalo (you’d have to assume Bills beat Steelers and Chiefs beat the Pats previous week).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 23, 2022, 09:38:02 PM
NFL coaches are surprisingly bad at clock management

The really bad ones are those too old to have grown up playing Madden.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 23, 2022, 10:03:39 PM
The clock doesn’t start until it’s touched by the return team. The Chiefs player could have just taken a knee and maybe 1 or 2 seconds go off the clock, no more.

It was poor defense.

So 2 seconds out of 13? Seems important. It also would have effected starting field position
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 23, 2022, 10:18:58 PM
To me the simplest fix for those that hate the coin flip: Higher seeded team gets the ball to start OT. If they score a TD on their opening possession, the other team needs to score plus 1 on their next possession.

If first team goes for 2 and converts, and the other team does the same, play on through sudden death.

In Super Bowl, if seeds are tied, point differential over the season & playoffs would decide.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 23, 2022, 10:21:21 PM
Todd Bowles should be removed from every team’s HC list.

Game on the line and there’s single coverage on the best receiver in the NFL this year.
I agree with this analysis
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 24, 2022, 06:47:40 AM
To me the simplest fix for those that hate the coin flip: Higher seeded team gets the ball to start OT. If they score a TD on their opening possession, the other team needs to score plus 1 on their next possession.

If first team goes for 2 and converts, and the other team does the same, play on through sudden death.

In Super Bowl, if seeds are tied, point differential over the season & playoffs would decide.

I’m fine with that. I am also fine with no extra points in OT. Just two point conversions.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 24, 2022, 07:24:52 AM
So 2 seconds out of 13? Seems important. It also would have effected starting field position

Interesting rule question. I think it’s like a spike, so at least three seconds have to go off the clock.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 24, 2022, 07:56:58 AM
It took the NFL decades to "fix" the rule that let teams win an OT game on a FG on the first drive.

Since the current rules were put in place a few years ago, there have been numerous discussions exactly like the one taking place right now in the aftermath of last night's game. We'll see how quickly the NFL does anything about it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 24, 2022, 08:03:34 AM
Chiefs proposed changing the rule.  Never made it to a vote.  Tough luck, Buffalo

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1485573050951217163?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 24, 2022, 08:07:44 AM
It took the NFL decades to "fix" the rule that let teams win an OT game on a FG on the first drive.

Since the current rules were put in place a few years ago, there have been numerous discussions exactly like the one taking place right now in the aftermath of last night's game. We'll see how quickly the NFL does anything about it.


It's just such a simple fix.  Just give each team at least one possession.  I have no idea why they didn't do that when they changed the rule a few years ago.

And during the regular season, I am fine with the shorter OT and ties.  Watching soccer has given me more appreciation for the tie as an outcome anyway.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 24, 2022, 09:19:42 AM

It's just such a simple fix.  Just give each team at least one possession.  I have no idea why they didn't do that when they changed the rule a few years ago.


Agree, but "simple" doesn't mean it happens. It's been "simple" for decades.

One or two of these (or more) happen every year, and there's outcry, and little changes. It's like the gun debate.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 24, 2022, 11:59:54 AM
One or two of these (or more) happen every year, and there's outcry, and little changes. It's like the gun debate.

Except who is fervently defending the rules as it stands?  Certainly not the fans or the players.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: BM1090 on January 24, 2022, 12:57:37 PM
Except who is fervently defending the rules as it stands?  Certainly not the fans or the players.

That's what's most baffling to me about it. I can't think of one person who is adamantly in favor of the current rule. There are those who are fine with it, but none I know of who wouldn't support a change.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 24, 2022, 01:04:16 PM
Here is an article from when the rule originally changed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/sports/football/24nfl.html

The long and short of it was, players and coaches wanted the rule to stay the same where any score is sudden death.  They had to some lobbying even to get the current rule in place.  And like most compromises, they aren't always satisfying.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 24, 2022, 01:15:21 PM
So 2 seconds out of 13? Seems important. It also would have effected starting field position

they likely would have had better field position, and the Chiefs didn't need those two extra seconds.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBBau on January 24, 2022, 01:28:21 PM
So they'll change the OT rule then they'll complain that so and so only got to touch the ball once.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 24, 2022, 01:34:23 PM
So they'll change the OT rule then they'll complain that so and so only got to touch the ball once.


So nothing should ever change because someone, somewhere would complain about that change?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 24, 2022, 01:52:33 PM

So nothing should ever change because someone, somewhere would complain about that change?

The NFL overtime system was designed by Joe Manchin
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 24, 2022, 02:08:54 PM
Except who is fervently defending the rules as it stands?  Certainly not the fans or the players.

Exactly. Does anybody who actually competes in games like the current rule?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 24, 2022, 03:04:38 PM
A taunting call while the play is in progress? Don’t think so.

https://youtu.be/wFLcHKQQVCQ

You were saying?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 24, 2022, 03:09:36 PM
Good thing that wasn't called.  It would have ruined a fun moment.

Per usual, the things that the NFL decides to emphasize pre-season turns out to look rather foolish as the year goes on and becomes largely, but not completely ignored come playoff time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 24, 2022, 05:19:01 PM
https://youtu.be/wFLcHKQQVCQ

You were saying?

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 24, 2022, 05:38:48 PM
Allegedly, Bears HC finalists are Frazier, Caldwell and Eberflus.

Doesn't excite me one bit. Leads me to again believe ownership doesn't know how to run a modern NFL franchise.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 24, 2022, 07:24:01 PM
play an entire quarter, kind of like Soccer playing out all of extra time even if a goal is scored. If it's still tied, play another quarter.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 24, 2022, 08:05:00 PM
play an entire quarter, kind of like Soccer playing out all of extra time even if a goal is scored. If it's still tied, play another quarter.

Is there a sport that could benefit more from sudden death than soccer?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 24, 2022, 09:07:19 PM
play an entire quarter, kind of like Soccer playing out all of extra time even if a goal is scored. If it's still tied, play another quarter.

Additional extra time is 2 15 minute periods regardless of any goals in soccer.  But I get your point.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 24, 2022, 10:37:28 PM
Allegedly, Bears HC finalists are Frazier, Caldwell and Eberflus.

Doesn't excite me one bit. Leads me to again believe ownership doesn't know how to run a modern NFL franchise.
 
 
Not meaning to be dramatic, but I think the only way that list could be worse is if Bowles was there instead of Caldwell. 

If they hire Frazier or Eberflus, might as well trade Fields.  And I'm serious about that
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 25, 2022, 06:06:24 AM
Pack should trade Love and Drayton for Fields, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 25, 2022, 07:24:38 AM
 
 If they hire Frazier or Eberflus, might as well trade Fields.  And I'm serious about that

Because a QB can't develop under a head coach who came from the defensive side of the ball?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2022, 07:28:18 AM
Because a QB can't develop under a head coach who came from the defensive side of the ball?

Make Ditka da OC, eh?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 25, 2022, 08:08:39 AM
Maybe it's recency bias because of Nagy - and I fully admit I haven't looked into this at all - are there examples of successful HC hires of a coordinator who was previously under a HC from the same side of the ball?

For example, Nagy was the OC under Reid who was proficient in offense and likely most responsible for development and strategy on that side of the ball.

Contrast that to perhaps Daboll who is the OC of the Bills who works under McDermott who is a defensive guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 25, 2022, 08:15:07 AM
Sean McVay was OC for the Redskins working under Jay Gruden
Matt Lafleur spent one year at Tennessee but prior to that worked under McVay in LA
Zac Taylor wasn't even a coordinator but the QB coach under McVay

Not recent but Andy Reid was never even a coordinator but the TE and QB coach in Green Bay when he was hired by Philly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 25, 2022, 08:55:56 AM
Because a QB can't develop under a head coach who came from the defensive side of the ball?

No, because clearly the McCaskeys still think it’s the 1980s and think the teams identity should be a gritty defense first, running team.

Nothing coming out is giving me the impression this coaching search is occurring with Fields primarily in mind
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 25, 2022, 09:46:03 AM
No, because clearly the McCaskeys still think it’s the 1980s and think the teams identity should be a gritty defense first, running team.

Nothing coming out is giving me the impression this coaching search is occurring with Fields primarily in mind


Part of that is just a lack of faith in the ownership right?  Because you very well could hire a guy like Eberflus who has articulated specifically how he would approach the offensive side of the ball, developing Fields, etc. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 25, 2022, 10:10:23 AM
Jay Glazer reporting that Sean Payton might retire. The Athletic is speculating that he could spend a year in the broadcast booth to re-charge, and then go back to the sideline for a different team in 2023.

I like The Athletic's take. Get him out of the division next season, and then take over for the fired Rhule if the Panthers suck again in 2022. In that scenario, Tepper would make Payton the highest-paid coach in NFL history.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 25, 2022, 10:54:37 AM

Part of that is just a lack of faith in the ownership right?  Because you very well could hire a guy like Eberflus who has articulated specifically how he would approach the offensive side of the ball, developing Fields, etc.

Absolutely.  As Jesu has said, Halas Hall doesn't seem to get the modern NFL, and hiring another older defensive minded coach would just speak to that and a desire to continue the ways that brought "success" in the past, despite having just traded picks for and drafting a young QB who very much embodies the potential of the modern NFL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RJax55 on January 25, 2022, 11:10:12 AM
Nothing coming out is giving me the impression this coaching search is occurring with Fields primarily in mind

Should it though??? Why should a new regime be built primarily around the QB pick of the old one? Especially, when the old GM (Pace) demonstrated zero ability to evaluate talent at the position and the QB in question has done nothing to indicate he will be even an average starter in the league?

I'm not saying that Fields will be a bust or the Bears should move on from him now. That's a dumb hot take. At the same time, just blaming Matt Nagy for his rookie season or thinking he will be good because he was a highly regarded prospect is not being honest either.

I know the challenges Fields faced as a rookie, but his rookie season was really bad. So many flaws to his game, with durability questions that came up as the season went on. In my eyes, he was a disappointment and my expectations were quite low. I feel too many teams/fans fall into the trap of believing a struggling QB is only a QB whisperer away from greatness. This idea overemphasizes coaching and greatly underappreciates talent.

Again, the Bears have to be honest about Fields. He is an unknown. Yes, there's talent there and without question, I hope he develops. However, having your GM and coach search revolve around an unproven young QB is the real mistake. Fields could be the next Russell Wilson or the next Sam Darnold. No one knows. And, I don't buy the argument that this coaching hire will determine that outcome. In my opinion, that's really up to Justin Fields and his talent.

So, I say hire the coach who you feel is the best coach for your football team, not Justin Fields.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on January 25, 2022, 12:21:46 PM

So, I say hire the coach who you feel is the best coach for your football team, not Justin Fields.


I totally understand this mindset, and it's not a bad one, but the truth of that matter is that if Fields doesn't end up being the QB, this coaching hire will not make it until the next QB.   Coaches don't get a chance to struggle for very long, so I think hiring a guy who thinks they can work magic with Justin makes the most sense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2022, 12:22:47 PM
Bears are set to hire Ryan Poles of KC as GM

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1486038074802978816?s=21
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 25, 2022, 12:37:16 PM
Bears are set to hire Ryan Poles of KC as GM

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1486038074802978816?s=21

I’m okay with it. I really hope they let him pick his own coach.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 25, 2022, 12:41:25 PM
Jim Caldwell is your new Bears head coach.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 25, 2022, 12:45:19 PM
Should it though??? Why should a new regime be built primarily around the QB pick of the old one? Especially, when the old GM (Pace) demonstrated zero ability to evaluate talent at the position and the QB in question has done nothing to indicate he will be even an average starter in the league?

I'm not saying that Fields will be a bust or the Bears should move on from him now. That's a dumb hot take. At the same time, just blaming Matt Nagy for his rookie season or thinking he will be good because he was a highly regarded prospect is not being honest either.

I know the challenges Fields faced as a rookie, but his rookie season was really bad. So many flaws to his game, with durability questions that came up as the season went on. In my eyes, he was a disappointment and my expectations were quite low. I feel too many teams/fans fall into the trap of believing a struggling QB is only a QB whisperer away from greatness. This idea overemphasizes coaching and greatly underappreciates talent.

I don't get this mindset at all.  You speak to Fields challenges, which IMO are perfectly valid in saying his evaluation is an "Incomplete" for the season, then basically say he was a disappointment and say he has done nothing to show he can be an average starter. 

He was really good in the Pittsburgh game.  He played well for long stretches against the Niners..7 starts into his career.

And durability?  He was top 10 in sacks taken despite only starting 9 full games.  Sure there is some timing and getting rid of the ball there, but he was being bum-rushed constantly.  Joe Burrow got hit a TON his rookie season and then hurt his knee and was out for the year?  Does he have durability concerns? 

Listen I'm not saying Fields is the second coming of Mahomes.  He was really inconsistent and flat out awful at times, but I truly believe its hard to judge it properly when he had an incompetent coach who started to try and coach for his life midway through the year.

But you bring in a coach for your team/talent.  You have a top 10+1 pick at QB from a season ago who showed flashes and who you know has plenty of talent.  To not select a coach who can do something with that, risking having to figure that all out again in 2-3 years, is silly to me.  I'd say the same thing with the Jags picking a coach with Lawrence.

Bears are set to hire Ryan Poles of KC as GM

https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1486038074802978816?s=21

Hopefully it goes better than the last KC organization hire.  But Poles is a rising star and sat in a very good FO for over a decade.  Seems like a win.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 25, 2022, 12:46:53 PM
Jim Caldwell is your new Bears head coach.


Again, I don't think this is a bad move by the Bears at all.  What's more important is who he hires on his staff.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 25, 2022, 12:47:40 PM
No, because clearly the McCaskeys still think it’s the 1980s and think the teams identity should be a gritty defense first, running team.

Nothing coming out is giving me the impression this coaching search is occurring with Fields primarily in mind

Honestly, who they hire as OC and QB coach is going to be far more important to Fields' development.
There are/have been plenty of QBs in recent memory who developed into stars under defensive head coaches, i.e. Tom Brady, Phil Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, etc.
And plenty who flopped under supposed offensive gurus (Trubisky, Darnold, etc.).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 25, 2022, 12:48:22 PM
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
Sources: Sean Payton has informed the #Saints that he’s stepping away.

Does Dennis Allen get a second chance at being a HC?

Edit: A beat reporter down in NOLA says this is a retirement.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 25, 2022, 12:51:01 PM
History has been made.    The first former Lions coach to ever get another NFL head coaching gig.     Good for Coach Caldwell. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 25, 2022, 12:55:42 PM
Sorry, I'm trying to do too many things at once (on hold with an airline for 35 minutes, someone picked up as I was posting, then got put on hold again).

Caldwell as Bears coach, I meant to put "strong opinion", dumb of me not to have included that. I don't have any source or anything like that.

I do believe this will be the case. I have no opinion on Poles/Caldwell, it's the Bears so I just assume it'll end up sucking.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 25, 2022, 12:58:47 PM
Jay Glazer reporting that Sean Payton might retire. The Athletic is speculating that he could spend a year in the broadcast booth to re-charge, and then go back to the sideline for a different team in 2023.

I like The Athletic's take. Get him out of the division next season, and then take over for the fired Rhule if the Panthers suck again in 2022. In that scenario, Tepper would make Payton the highest-paid coach in NFL history.

You and I have had the discussion about coaching before. Great players make great coaches. Payton knows he is gonna be a .500 coach without a decent QB. It makes sense to step away and then go to as team with a young, talented QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 25, 2022, 01:00:02 PM
Sorry, I'm trying to do too many things at once (on hold with an airline for 35 minutes, someone picked up as I was posting, then got put on hold again).

Caldwell as Bears coach, I meant to put "strong opinion", dumb of me not to have included that. I don't have any source or anything like that.

I do believe this will be the case. I have no opinion on Poles/Caldwell, it's the Bears so I just assume it'll end up sucking.

Pairing a young personnel guy from a successful organization with a 60-year-old veteran head coach not of his choosing has never gone wrong before in Chicago, right?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 25, 2022, 01:25:43 PM
Pairing a young personnel guy from a successful organization with a 60-year-old veteran head coach not of his choosing has never gone wrong before in Chicago, right?

<Nods strongly in agreement>
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 25, 2022, 01:34:19 PM
You and I have had the discussion about coaching before. Great players make great coaches. Payton knows he is gonna be a .500 coach without a decent QB. It makes sense to step away and then go to as team with a young, talented QB.

Fair take.

It's hard to get better than Sam Darnold though!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2022, 02:27:34 PM
You and I have had the discussion about coaching before. Great players make great coaches. Payton knows he is gonna be a .500 coach without a decent QB. It makes sense to step away and then go to as team with a young, talented QB.

That’s probably part of it, but he’s been there since 2006, too.  Sometimes, a recharge and restart is needed
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 25, 2022, 02:38:44 PM
Absolutely.  As Jesu has said, Halas Hall doesn't seem to get the modern NFL, and hiring another older defensive minded coach would just speak to that and a desire to continue the ways that brought "success" in the past, despite having just traded picks for and drafting a young QB who very much embodies the potential of the modern NFL.

I'm loathe to defend Halas Hall, but their previous coaching hire was the quintessential "bright, young offensive mind who understands the modern NFL and can develop a young quarterback."
You couldn't check any more of those boxes with Matt Nagy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 25, 2022, 02:50:32 PM
Pairing a young personnel guy from a successful organization with a 60-year-old veteran head coach not of his choosing has never gone wrong before in Chicago, right?


(https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/mourning-nod.gif)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 25, 2022, 03:39:48 PM
https://twitter.com/runbackdave/status/1486046796098977792?t=g441wPXvupOyRykiRno-MA&s=19

Thank god
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 25, 2022, 04:18:11 PM
I'm loathe to defend Halas Hall, but their previous coaching hire was the quintessential "bright, young offensive mind who understands the modern NFL and can develop a young quarterback."
You couldn't check any more of those boxes with Matt Nagy.

Sure, it didn't work, but that doesn't mean the whole approach is terrible.  I just don't want an older Lovie Smith 2.0
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 25, 2022, 05:02:20 PM
Sure, it didn't work, but that doesn't mean the whole approach is terrible.  I just don't want an older Lovie Smith 2.0

Hey ... Lovie got them to the Super Bowl.
But I understand your point. Still, it's not as if the Bears have always looked to old defensive guys for coaches.
Also, keep in mind, Caldwell's background is as an offensive coordinator and QB coach. He's not a defensive guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 25, 2022, 05:19:16 PM
Hey ... Lovie got them to the Super Bowl.
But I understand your point. Still, it's not as if the Bears have always looked to old defensive guys for coaches.
Also, keep in mind, Caldwell's background is as an offensive coordinator and QB coach. He's not a defensive guy.

Caldwell just seems like a real "Bears-y" move.

Hire an offensive "genius" and when that goes bad, hire an older guy to restore the culture. When that fails, hire another offensive "genius". When that fails, hire an older culture guy to restore stability - Caldwell.

Am I wrong here?

(I am not commenting on whether Caldwell would be a good or bad coach - just the hiring situation).
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 25, 2022, 05:29:39 PM
Caldwell just seems like a real "Bears-y" move.

Hire an offensive "genius" and when that goes bad, hire an older guy to restore the culture. When that fails, hire another offensive "genius". When that fails, hire an older culture guy to restore stability - Caldwell.

Am I wrong here?

(I am not commenting on whether Caldwell would be a good or bad coach - just the hiring situation).

Lovie...Trestman...Fox...Nagy...

There's a pattern there
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 25, 2022, 05:57:58 PM
Lovie...Trestman...Fox...Nagy...

There's a pattern there

Not sure I'd put Trestman and Nagy in the same category.
Trestman was 58 years old when he got the Bears gig - 13 years old than Lovie, when he was hired -  and had 17 years experience in the NFL,including as OC for four teams, plus head coaching experience, albeit in Canada.
Nagy was a 39-year-old who had two years as an OC and wasn't even his team's full-time playcaller and no HC experience on any level.
The only things they have in common is they both had offensive backgrounds and thought they were smarter than the average bear.
Honestly, Trestman had as many similarities with Fox (age, NFL lifers, previous HC experience) as Nagy, arguably more.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 25, 2022, 05:58:53 PM
Hey ... Lovie got them to the Super Bowl.
But I understand your point. Still, it's not as if the Bears have always looked to old defensive guys for coaches.
Also, keep in mind, Caldwell's background is as an offensive coordinator and QB coach. He's not a defensive guy.

Im thinking specifically of Lovie’s “we get off the bus running” mentality.

I have no large issue with Caldwell, depending on coordinators.  No Jim Bob Cooter plz

Love hearing about Poles asserting himself early.

Lovie...Trestman...Fox...Nagy...

There's a pattern there

The Fox situation was weird though. He was very clearly a placeholder. I don’t think anyone really expected Fox to be helming the Bears for the mid to long term, especially with him being foisted on Pace.  This hire doesn’t feel like that, especially with a new GM having input.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 25, 2022, 07:13:03 PM
Im thinking specifically of Lovie’s “we get off the bus running” mentality.

I have no large issue with Caldwell, depending on coordinators.  No Jim Bob Cooter plz

Love hearing about Poles asserting himself early.

The Fox situation was weird though. He was very clearly a placeholder. I don’t think anyone really expected Fox to be helming the Bears for the mid to long term, especially with him being foisted on Pace.  This hire doesn’t feel like that, especially with a new GM having input.

Poles asserting himself means that Ted Phillips looks like he is no longer a part of the football side of things.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 25, 2022, 07:16:41 PM
Poles asserting himself means that Ted Phillips looks like he is no longer a part of the football side of things.

Allegedly, in the last couple days, Omar Kahn of the Steelers interviewed for Ted's job
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 25, 2022, 07:54:39 PM
Poles asserting himself means that Ted Phillips looks like he is no longer a part of the football side of things.

That's been the plan. Phillips is going to focus on Arlington Park.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 27, 2022, 06:42:07 AM
Hackett takes the Broncos job.  LaFleur will probably promote Getsy to OC unless he decides to follow Hackett with Rodgers to Denver
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 27, 2022, 06:45:14 AM
Hackett takes the Broncos job.  LaFleur will probably promote Getsy to OC unless he decides to follow Hackett with Rodgers to Denver

As expected.  Rodgers would cost the Broncos too much, but stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 27, 2022, 07:29:52 AM
As expected.  Rodgers would cost the Broncos too much, but stranger things have happened.

Looks like Hackett is targeting Adam Stenavich for OC. 

Rodgers to Denver is doable. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 27, 2022, 07:36:45 AM
I 100% think that this hire was made for Rodgers and that's where he wants to go. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 27, 2022, 08:10:44 AM
Rodgers and Adams to Denver?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 27, 2022, 08:22:27 AM
Adios mf'ers and da stable of jackasses dey road inn on, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 27, 2022, 10:01:12 AM
Bears hire Matt Eberflus
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBBau on January 27, 2022, 10:02:32 AM
At least the Bears only have to change the last names on GM and Head Coach office window
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 27, 2022, 10:04:32 AM
I really thought it’d be Caldwell.

Be interesting to see who the coordinators are going to be.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 🏀 on January 27, 2022, 10:15:24 AM
As expected.  Rodgers would cost the Broncos too much, but stranger things have happened.

Broncos got picks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 27, 2022, 10:31:20 AM
I really thought it’d be Caldwell.

Be interesting to see who the coordinators are going to be.

As of yesterday, rumor was George wanted Caldwell. But as reported, Poles preferred Eberflus or Quinn. I'm surprised it wasn't Quinn
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 27, 2022, 10:40:13 AM
Will wait till I see coordinator hires, but as pumped as I was about Poles, this is a resounding MEH for me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 27, 2022, 10:40:57 AM
As of yesterday, rumor was George wanted Caldwell. But as reported, Poles preferred Eberflus or Quinn. I'm surprised it wasn't Quinn

That's interesting - if that is true, Poles was clearly looking defense for his head coaching choice.  Coming from the Chiefs it stands to reason then that Poles has ideas for the offense and didn't want to defer that to his head coaching choice. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on January 27, 2022, 10:47:12 AM
Same old Bears. Same old idiots.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-chicago-bears-matt-eberflus-coach-20220127-jmjifbmxsjfivi3yzw7gs23jzu-story.html
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 27, 2022, 10:50:45 AM
I don't understand why people would be excited about the new GM hire, then criticize his first big decision.  Can anyone actually articulate a reason why the Bears shouldn't hire Eberflus?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 27, 2022, 10:59:06 AM
I 100% think that this hire was made for Rodgers and that's where he wants to go.

I know the popular narrative is that Rodgers can pick and choose where he goes. The reality is Rodgers is under contract with the packers for 2022 and the Packers decide where he goes. Rodgers only choices are if he wants to play or not. If say, the Raiders come up with a significantly better package than Broncos, the Packers are trading him to the Raiders. As far as Rodgers and Adams going to the same team? It is highly unlikely any team would have that much draft capital to get that done without destroying their team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 27, 2022, 11:02:08 AM
As of yesterday, rumor was George wanted Caldwell. But as reported, Poles preferred Eberflus or Quinn. I'm surprised it wasn't Quinn

Quinn came out and said he is not interested in a head coaching job and that he is staying with Dallas. The choice may have been made for Poles as far as those two candidates.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 27, 2022, 11:02:21 AM
Any team that trades for Rodgers will require him signing an extension. So, he has that leverage. Having said, Rodgers may have bf'ed himself right into a corner  aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 27, 2022, 11:07:27 AM
I know the popular narrative is that Rodgers can pick and choose where he goes. The reality is Rodgers is under contract with the packers for 2022 and the Packers decide where he goes. Rodgers only choices are if he wants to play or not. If say, the Raiders come up with a significantly better package than Broncos, the Packers are trading him to the Raiders. As far as Rodgers and Adams going to the same team? It is highly unlikely any team would have that much draft capital to get that done without destroying their team.

I thought that was part of the “new contract.” That he had some say where he’d go. Unless that was some misinformation.

He could theoretically threaten to hold out for any team that isn’t the Broncos.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 27, 2022, 11:15:37 AM
I know the popular narrative is that Rodgers can pick and choose where he goes. The reality is Rodgers is under contract with the packers for 2022 and the Packers decide where he goes. Rodgers only choices are if he wants to play or not. If say, the Raiders come up with a significantly better package than Broncos, the Packers are trading him to the Raiders. As far as Rodgers and Adams going to the same team? It is highly unlikely any team would have that much draft capital to get that done without destroying their team.


Rodgers has way more leverage than you are stating here.  In the above scenario, all he would have to do is say "I'm not going to the Raiders," and the deal is off.

If Rodgers says "I would like to play for Denver or else I am going to retire," the Packers would try to make that work.  You want to get draft picks for the guy or do you want to get nothing out of spite?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 27, 2022, 11:16:00 AM
I thought that was part of the “new contract.” That he had some say where he’d go. Unless that was some misinformation.

He could theoretically threaten to hold out for any team that isn’t the Broncos.
The only agreement they had was to revisit at the end of the year. Why would the Packers put themselves at such a leverage disadvantage. He could hold out, but unlikely.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 27, 2022, 11:26:52 AM
I don't understand why people would be excited about the new GM hire, then criticize his first big decision.  Can anyone actually articulate a reason why the Bears shouldn't hire Eberflus?

I'm not crazy about the Tampa 2.  His defense gave up 26 points and could stop the terrible Jaguars in a put up or shut up game to make the playoffs to end the season.  Looking at the advanced statistics and rankings, his defense didn't do much to wow me this past season.

My buddy who is a Colts fan was hoping he got a HC job cause he was sick of him and Colts fans wont be super upset that he's leaving.

Hopefully Poles and Eberflus together have some ideas about offense and an OC.  Also, I'm not entirely sure that Poles having "total control of the coach selection" didn't mean he had full control...from the list of 3 the Bears put together
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on January 27, 2022, 11:35:28 AM
I don't understand why people would be excited about the new GM hire, then criticize his first big decision.  Can anyone actually articulate a reason why the Bears shouldn't hire Eberflus?

Two words: Justin Fields

Defense isn’t the Bears’ problem. Getting a creditable offense is.

Same old Bears. Should be renamed the Chicago Dinosaurs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on January 27, 2022, 11:44:02 AM

Rodgers has way more leverage than you are stating here.  In the above scenario, all he would have to do is say "I'm not going to the Raiders," and the deal is off.

If Rodgers says "I would like to play for Denver or else I am going to retire," the Packers would try to make that work.  You want to get draft picks for the guy or do you want to get nothing out of spite?
Of course the Packers would try to make that work, but they are not going to be strong armed into taking significantly less. It has nothing to do with spite. They will get the best deal they can. Under your scenario the Packers would call his bluff just like they did this year. 

The most likely scenario is Rodgers is back next year and they extend him another 2.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 27, 2022, 11:48:28 AM
I'm not crazy about the Tampa 2.  His defense gave up 26 points and could stop the terrible Jaguars in a put up or shut up game to make the playoffs to end the season.  Looking at the advanced statistics and rankings, his defense didn't do much to wow me this past season.

This is reasonable.


Two words: Justin Fields

Defense isn’t the Bears’ problem. Getting a creditable offense is.

Same old Bears. Should be renamed the Chicago Dinosaurs.

This is not.  There have been plenty of defensive head coaches who have seen young quarterbacks thrive with the right offensive coaching staff.  Look at Josh Allen in Buffalo.  Russell Wilson in Seattle. 

They just had a great young offensive mind - and he stunk.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 27, 2022, 11:49:06 AM
Of course the Packers would try to make that work, but they are not going to be strong armed into taking significantly less. It has nothing to do with spite. They will get the best deal they can. Under your scenario the Packers would call his bluff just like they did this year. 

The most likely scenario is Rodgers is back next year and they extend him another 2.


I agree with you that they won't be strong armed into taking significantly less. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 27, 2022, 11:58:55 AM
https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2022/1/27/22904619/jacksonville-jaguars-reportedly-close-to-hiring-adrian-wilson-as-gm-byron-leftwich-as-hc

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/01/27/reports-saints-request-permission-to-interview-byron-leftwich-aaron-glenn/

It sounds like Byron Leftwich is pushing the Jags to get a new GM as part of the package.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 27, 2022, 12:03:08 PM
Two words: Justin Fields

Defense isn’t the Bears’ problem. Getting a creditable offense is.

Same old Bears. Should be renamed the Chicago Dinosaurs.

Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Phil Rivers, Josh Allen and Russell Wilson all agree that it's impossible for a QB to develop under a head coach who came from the defensive side of the ball.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on January 27, 2022, 12:07:48 PM
I'm not crazy about the Tampa 2.  His defense gave up 26 points and could stop the terrible Jaguars in a put up or shut up game to make the playoffs to end the season.  Looking at the advanced statistics and rankings, his defense didn't do much to wow me this past season.

Funny that the Jaguars wanted him to interview for their HC position. Not that Jacksonville is the gold standard for NFL franchises but my understanding is he is thought of highly in the NFL.

That said, it is not an exciting hire and the Bears need to bring in top caliber OC and QB coaches. The Bears have major talent issues and not a lot of draft picks due to Pace. I don't see the Bears being a contender for many years.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 27, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Phil Rivers, Josh Allen and Russell Wilson all agree that it's impossible for a QB to develop under a head coach who came from the defensive side of the ball.

The only difference is only 1 of those QBs was under a first time HC.  Brady was under BB.  Big Ben had a few years and won a SB under Cowher before Tomlin came on.  Rivers was under Schottenheimer who had been a HC for decades and Wilson was under Carroll who had plenty of HC experience by that point too.  They weren't offensive minds, but they had experience selecting and managing offensive minds under their leadership.

If Eberflus brings in a Daboll like in Buffalo, then its a non issue.  So thats the biggest interest point going forward right now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 27, 2022, 01:52:20 PM
The only difference is only 1 of those QBs was under a first time HC.
So, after spending the last couple of weeks railing against the Bears over the potential hire of a previous head coach like Caldwell, the problem with Eberflus is that he's a first-time HC?
Damned if you do ...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 27, 2022, 02:06:33 PM
If Aaron Rodgers thinks he's going to go to the AFC and outduel Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, and Lamar Jackson when he can't even outplay a banged up Jimmy Goropolo, more power to him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 27, 2022, 02:08:25 PM
So, after spending the last couple of weeks railing against the Bears over the potential hire of a previous head coach like Caldwell, the problem with Eberflus is that he's a first-time HC?
Damned if you do ...

Man you really have to have an issue with EVERY one of my NFL takes.  And seem intent on trying to parse them down to the most easily ridiculed point, not to mention exaggerating.

"Railing for weeks"..I made 2 posts pertaining to Caldwell.  1 was not liking a list that had 2 retreads in their 60s (Frazier and Caldwell) and a DC that I wasn't at all enthused with (Eberflus).  It spoke to a mentality that didn't seem like they wanted to prioritize their most important young piece.  I later said Caldwell was the most palatable of those options if he had an interesting OC.

Then, in response to your upteenth snarky comment about defensive coaches not being able to mold a young QB, I pointed out that only 1 situation you mentioned had a first time defensive background HC.  By the time the rest of those guys got their young QBs, they were HCs through and through, not recently converted DCs.  Thats not shifting goalposts, its facts.

I literally laid out my issues with Eberflus in a previous post.  But keep being contrarian for effect
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 27, 2022, 02:22:11 PM
I literally laid out my issues with Eberflus in a previous post.  But keep being contrarian for effect

Well, I wasn't going to point this out earlier, but since you insist ... contrary to your earlier post, Bill Belichick was not a first-time head coach when Brady played for him.

(https://c.tenor.com/net_ivlSaT4AAAAC/bow-bowing.gif)

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 27, 2022, 02:32:37 PM
Well, I wasn't going to point this out earlier, but since you insist ... contrary to your earlier post, Bill Belichick was not a first-time head coach when Brady played for him.

(https://c.tenor.com/net_ivlSaT4AAAAC/bow-bowing.gif)

You misread.  I was listing the QBs and the non first time HCs they played under, alluding to Allen and McDermott being the 1.  Brady was under BB, Big Ben under Cowher, etc...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 27, 2022, 02:37:01 PM
If Aaron Rodgers thinks he's going to go to the AFC and outduel Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, and Lamar Jackson when he can't even outplay a banged up Jimmy Goropolo, more power to him.

This is precisely why the time to move him is now if you’re the packers
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 27, 2022, 05:14:20 PM
Broncos got picks.

I'm not interested in picks beyond this year because if Rodgers and Adams end up there, those are late first rounders.

No thanks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 27, 2022, 05:19:17 PM
This is precisely why the time to move him is now if you’re the packers

Aaron Rodgers and this year's 2nd round pick for Justin Herbert.

Keep Adams... win Super Bowl.

Laugh hysterically, forever.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 27, 2022, 06:13:56 PM
Aaron Rodgers and this year's 2nd round pick for Justin Herbert.

Keep Adams... win Super Bowl.

Laugh hysterically, forever.

Why would the Chargers trade their young franchise QB who just made a Pro Bowl for 1 or 2 seasons of an aging QB and a late second rounder?  All of their best skill players are under 30. Their window isn’t closing
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 27, 2022, 09:00:44 PM
Why would the Chargers trade their young franchise QB who just made a Pro Bowl for 1 or 2 seasons of an aging QB and a late second rounder?  All of their best skill players are under 30. Their window isn’t closing

No idea why the Chargers would do it, but pretty sure the Packers would say yes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 28, 2022, 05:56:33 AM
Why would the Chargers trade their young franchise QB who just made a Pro Bowl for 1 or 2 seasons of an aging QB and a late second rounder?  All of their best skill players are under 30. Their window isn’t closing

Because it's a joke.   ;D
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 28, 2022, 10:00:34 AM
Getsy might wind up as Bears OC.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 28, 2022, 11:22:31 AM
Getsy might wind up as Bears OC.

I think GB might give him the OC job to keep him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 28, 2022, 12:04:49 PM
I think GB might give him the OC job to keep him.

Issue is he'd call plays in Chicago, and he wouldn't in GB. He could be in play in Denver too, although I would guess Hackett would want to call plays there.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 28, 2022, 12:35:42 PM
Issue is he'd call plays in Chicago, and he wouldn't in GB. He could be in play in Denver too, although I would guess Hackett would want to call plays there.

You're right - he'd have a lot more power in Chicago. But he is getting close to being a HC candidate around the league. If that is what he truly wants, He would be better off in GB (if Rodgers stays). It's a lot easier to fail with Fields as your QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 28, 2022, 03:16:01 PM
Only slightly NFL-related, if that, but former Arlington Park owner/chairman Dick Duchossois died today.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 28, 2022, 09:10:50 PM
Only slightly NFL-related, if that, but former Arlington Park owner/chairman Dick Duchossois died today.
Tremendous businessman .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 28, 2022, 10:52:08 PM
I just found out something I can't believe I didn't already know ...

My roommate one of my years at Marquette has been a middle-school teacher in the Chicago burbs for years. And he taught Jimmy Garropolo in 4th and 5th grade. So he's rootin' for the Niners.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 29, 2022, 03:53:43 AM
Iz he woefully underpaid, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 29, 2022, 08:55:44 AM
Iz he woefully underpaid, hey?

He's thinking about quitting because of the violence on Marquette's campus, nu?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2022, 09:27:20 AM
Iz he woefully underpaid, hey?

Probably, most teachers are
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 29, 2022, 01:39:50 PM
Brady retiring.

Say what you want about him but the dude knew how to win.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 29, 2022, 01:46:36 PM
Quitter
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 29, 2022, 01:48:53 PM
The NFC South could be really bad next year.

ATL - Old Matt Ryan
NO - ???
CAR - ?
TB - ???

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2022, 01:49:37 PM
Tom Brady, the greatest to ever do it.  All will be compared to him, none will match him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Goose on January 29, 2022, 01:59:29 PM
Tom Brady is my second team sport athlete ever and he comes very close to Michael Jordan in my eyes. They both were much watch TV for me and they seldom disappointed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 29, 2022, 02:16:30 PM
Since I've been alive (1984), best athletes (individual and team accomplishments) have to be Tiger, Brady, Jordan, Lebron, Phelps, Serena, Gretzky

I think that's the list?

Arguments for Nadal, Federer, Bolt, Bryant, Messi, Ronaldo
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashSean on January 29, 2022, 02:17:22 PM
With Brady retiring, the reign of my childhood quarterbacks is finally over.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 29, 2022, 02:26:25 PM
The NFC South could be really bad next year.

ATL - Old Matt Ryan
NO - ???
CAR - ?
TB - ???


Allow me to help
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 29, 2022, 02:31:08 PM
If AR goes to Denver, then it will be the NFC  west, possibly the Cowboys, and crap.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Goose on January 29, 2022, 02:46:23 PM
Unleash

I have told my boys that I am too old to have sport idols, but I grandfathered TB 12 and Tiger into my life because I was in my mid 30’s when I hooked onto their bandwagon. A sad day in my life in regard to sports.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 29, 2022, 02:51:06 PM
No way Rodgers retires now.  He would want no part of sharing Canton with TB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 29, 2022, 02:54:29 PM
Mixed feelings. I grew to "hate" Brady in that fan-hate kind of way. Just got sick of him always being so effen good, always winning, and dominating the news. Plus, these last 2 years he was the most important player on my favorite team's division rival. So from all those standpoints, good riddance. But I love watching greatness, and Brady was the best. So in that way, I'm sad to see the end of an era.

Could TB be a spot for Rodgers? They have proven they have the infrastructure in place to win around a great QB; he might even be able to convince Gronk to stick around another year. Denver obviously makes the most sense if AR gets traded, but an interesting possibility.

The NFC South is easily the worst QB division. Not even any prospects in sight Quite a fall from a few years ago when Brees, Newton and Ryan all were MVP caliber, and Winston was a potential stud.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 29, 2022, 02:56:07 PM
Mixed feelings. I grew to "hate" Brady in that fan-hate kind of way. Just got sick of him always being so effen good, always winning, and dominating the news. Plus, these last 2 years he was the most important player on my favorite team's division rival. So from all those standpoints, good riddance. But I love watching greatness, and Brady was the best. So in that way, I'm sad to see the end of an era.

Could TB be a spot for Rodgers? They have proven they have the infrastructure in place to win around a great QB; he might even be able to convince Gronk to stick around another year. Denver obviously makes the most sense if AR gets traded, but an interesting possibility.

The NFC South is easily the worst QB division. Not even any prospects in sight Quite a fall from a few years ago when Brees, Newton and Ryan all were MVP caliber, and Winston was a potential stud.


Zero chance the Packers trade Rodgers within the conference.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 29, 2022, 02:58:10 PM
Zero chance the Packers trade Rodgers within the conference.

It would be smart to trade him outside the conference if you're gonna trade him at all, yes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 29, 2022, 03:36:27 PM
Per his dad, Brady is NOT retiring.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 29, 2022, 03:59:36 PM
I still lean to he’s retiring this year but it’s hilarious nonetheless
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Goose on January 29, 2022, 04:27:05 PM
Hopefully Tom Sr. Can talk sense into his kid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Ardmore Mug on January 29, 2022, 04:33:04 PM
I saw an article that said TB is due to receive $15mil due from his $20 mil signing bonus, on FEB 4! !!    8-)

and that great reporter, Adam Schefter broke the news ! ! !  HMMMMM    8-)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 29, 2022, 05:25:24 PM
Today, the Chicago bears hired their first assistant GM in team history
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 29, 2022, 05:57:12 PM
Today, the Chicago bears hired their first assistant GM in team history

Pace would still be GM if there were any other fingerprints on the gun
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 29, 2022, 06:31:58 PM
No way Rodgers retires now.  He would want no part of sharing Canton with TB.

Funny. My absolute 1st thought was "Aaron isn't gonna retire now". Obviously for the reason you state.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 29, 2022, 06:52:13 PM
Eye kan give ya 45 million reasons why #12 duzant retire, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 29, 2022, 08:49:25 PM
Luke Getsy is your new OC…in Chicago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 29, 2022, 10:25:32 PM
Luke Getsy is your new OC…in Chicago.

Stenavich was always going to be LaFleur’s OC choice. Getsy was the guy hired to keep AR happy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 29, 2022, 11:31:29 PM
Stenavich was always going to be LaFleur’s OC choice. Getsy was the guy hired to keep AR happy.

Is that a "The Packers cooled on him"?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on January 30, 2022, 06:19:02 AM
Is that a "The Packers cooled on him"?

No just that if they were going to promote one to keep around it was going to be him. Not that they are happy Getsy is gone or anything.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on January 30, 2022, 08:48:03 AM
Seems like a win-win. Getsy is ready to call plays (Steno likely not), and Stenovich is one of the best assistant coaches this past season for what he did with the Packers OL this season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 30, 2022, 09:42:53 AM
Seems like a win-win. Getsy is ready to call plays (Steno likely not), and Stenovich is one of the best assistant coaches this past season for what he did with the Packers OL this season.

Getsy is a trader
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 30, 2022, 09:52:44 AM
It would be smart to trade him outside the conference if you're gonna trade him at all, yes.

Not saying that you and the Fluffy one aren’t right but I don’t see this as logical on the Packers part. Without Rodgers they’re not going anywhere for a few years anyway. All things being equal, trade him to the AFC. But if an NFC team offers a better return and hastens the rebuild I think they should take it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 30, 2022, 10:26:01 AM
Not saying that you and the Fluffy one aren’t right but I don’t see this as logical on the Packers part. Without Rodgers they’re not going anywhere for a few years anyway. All things being equal, trade him to the AFC. But if an NFC team offers a better return and hastens the rebuild I think they should take it.

100% agree.  You take what you can get, and if Rodgers beats you, he beats you.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 10:53:29 AM
Getsy is a trader

Which stocks does he buy and sell?

Not saying that you and the Fluffy one aren’t right but I don’t see this as logical on the Packers part. Without Rodgers they’re not going anywhere for a few years anyway. All things being equal, trade him to the AFC. But if an NFC team offers a better return and hastens the rebuild I think they should take it.


Reasonable point. And it's not as if this would be the first intra-conference trade in history.

Then again, GMs and coaches are very confident in themselves and the Packers' brain-trust might not agree that they're not going anywhere for years. They might think they could manage games with Love the same way the Niners do with JG, and they know their division blows, so 9-8 might be good enough.

Gonna be an interesting couple of months in Cheezland.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 30, 2022, 10:58:08 AM
Which stocks does he buy and sell?

Reasonable point. And it's not as if this would be the first intra-conference trade in history.

Then again, GMs and coaches are very confident in themselves and the Packers' brain-trust might not agree that they're not going anywhere for years. They might think they could manage games with Love the same way the Niners do with JG, and they know their division blows, so 9-8 might be good enough.

Gonna be an interesting couple of months in Cheezland.

Love is only Jimmy G in his dreams.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 30, 2022, 11:13:27 AM
Which stocks does he buy and sell?

Reasonable point. And it's not as if this would be the first intra-conference trade in history.

Then again, GMs and coaches are very confident in themselves and the Packers' brain-trust might not agree that they're not going anywhere for years. They might think they could manage games with Love the same way the Niners do with JG, and they know their division blows, so 9-8 might be good enough.

Gonna be an interesting couple of months in Cheezland.

He trades on the passionate hearts of the best and most knowledgeable football fans in the world by going to the hated Bears.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 11:14:45 AM
Love is only Jimmy G in his dreams.

You might be right that Love stinks. I don't see the Packers enough to know. I don't go to training camp. I've never seen a Packer practice. And I did not see the one game he started when Rodgers was out. But I guess I don't know how somebody can look at the very, very small sample size that the public has seen and conclude that he'll never be able to play QB in the NFL.

As a rookie, John Elway was totally lost. Peyton threw about 800 interceptions. Lawrence was often a disaster this past season. Etc, etc, etc. And of course, plenty of guys have been busts, too; there are statues of Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell and David Klingler at the Bust Hall of Fame.

I just don't know how an open-minded Packers fan can conclude with certainty that Jordan Love will never be a good -- or even decent -- QB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 30, 2022, 11:17:57 AM
You might be right that Love stinks. I don't see the Packers enough to know. I don't go to training camp. I've never seen a Packer practice. And I did not see the one game he started when Rodgers was out. But I guess I don't know how somebody can look at the very, very small sample size that the public has seen and conclude that he'll never be able to play QB in the NFL.

As a rookie, John Elway was totally lost. Peyton threw about 800 interceptions. Lawrence was often a disaster this past season. Etc, etc, etc. And of course, plenty of guys have been busts, too; there are statues of Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell and David Klingler at the Bust Hall of Fame.

I just don't know how an open-minded Packers fan can conclude with certainty that Jordan Love will never be a good -- or even decent -- QB.

Rodgers was hot trash in his first two camps and pre-seasons.  He was bad enough people opined he was a wasted pick. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 30, 2022, 11:27:59 AM
You might be right that Love stinks.

J. Geils said it first.   And best.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on January 30, 2022, 11:39:28 AM
Rodgers was hot trash in his first two camps and pre-seasons.  He was bad enough people opined he was a wasted pick.

Wasn’t there a point where the fan base wanted to trade him for Larry Johnson, the former Chiefs RB.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 30, 2022, 12:16:26 PM
Wasn’t there a point where the fan base wanted to trade him for Larry Johnson, the former Chiefs RB.

I don’t recall that, but terrible ideas get floated all the time 😂
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 30, 2022, 12:20:39 PM
The Packers were fine letting Favre go heading into Rodgers’s third year because they knew what they had in Rodgers.

The Packers would go out and get Clay Matthews, AJ Hawk, Jordy Nelson, and James Jones tomorrow (as they did with Randall Cobb) if Rodgers told them to because they know what they have in Jordan Love going into his third season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 30, 2022, 12:47:13 PM
If I’m Josh McDaniels, this is the offseason I’m leaving for some place else.

I thought this made sense this offseason more than any other. McDaniels is your new Raiders coach.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 30, 2022, 02:24:36 PM
I thought this made sense this offseason more than any other. McDaniels is your new Raiders coach.

An organization coming off a season of massive dysfunction adds the spotty track record HC in McDaniels.  This should be entertaining
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 03:08:24 PM
Burrow running for his life on every snap. He's a pretty damn good QB who would be top-5 if they give him a line. Maybe he already is top-5 and he could be top-3.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 30, 2022, 03:11:12 PM
This Bengals offensive game plan today is something.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 30, 2022, 03:22:28 PM
This was always going to be one-sided.

Great defensive play to end the half.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 03:23:37 PM
Gotta kick the FG there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 30, 2022, 03:26:24 PM
Getsy is a trader




Well, at least he's knot a quitter, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 30, 2022, 03:27:37 PM



Well, at least he's knot a quitter, hey?

He’s a quitter, too.  He owes it to the shareholders
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 30, 2022, 03:30:27 PM
This is the greatest halftime ever.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 30, 2022, 04:07:50 PM
This Bengals offensive game plan today is something.

Taylor seems TERRIFIED to give KC the ball so its all methodical and deliberate.  But you have Burrow, who has been a beast, and he's giving him NOTHING.  They aren't taking shots, all dink and dunk and trying to get Mixon going.  Its bizarre
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 30, 2022, 04:13:37 PM
This was always going to be one-sided.




This aged poorly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 04:16:13 PM
New ballgame, kiddos!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 30, 2022, 04:18:27 PM
New ballgame, kiddos!




Pope must've answered your prayers, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 04:24:20 PM



Pope must've answered your prayers, aina?

He's your guy ... even though you keep ignoring him, nu?

Don't ruin the NFL thread, please.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 04:52:44 PM
Is there one person watching this game who doesn't think KC will score the go-ahead TD?

The Bengals have to try to hold them to a FG, obviously, but in doing so they run the risk of having no time to score if KC goes ahead. Tough situation for Cinci.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 30, 2022, 04:57:25 PM

Don't ruin the NFL thread, please.

That's rich, threadlocker.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 30, 2022, 04:58:07 PM
Why so angry?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 30, 2022, 05:03:50 PM
Mahomes has spent too much time around Rodgers in commercial shoots
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 05:04:15 PM
Great job by the Bengals' defense ... but unfortunately they just lost the coin toss and they have to go right back out there.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 30, 2022, 05:04:42 PM
KC butchered that final possession. The only thing that should have mattered was getting 6, not the clock.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 30, 2022, 05:05:03 PM
Anyone surprised KC won the toss? They get literally every single break.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on January 30, 2022, 05:05:24 PM
I really like Andy Reid but I can’t process how badly he managed this game.  The entire second half they played not to lose.  It’s just baffling.  That last drive was indescribable
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 05:06:12 PM
I really like Andy Reid but I can’t process how badly he managed this game.  The entire second half they played not to lose.  It’s just baffling.  That last drive was indescribable

Yep. He had to kick that FG at the end of the first half, too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 30, 2022, 05:07:15 PM
I really like Andy Reid but I can’t process how badly he managed this game.  The entire second half they played not to lose.  It’s just baffling.  That last drive was indescribable

That’s part of it but the QB was pedestrian at best in the second half
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 05:10:31 PM
That’s part of it but the QB was pedestrian at best in the second half

If I could have drafted one QB to play in this game, it would have been Mahomes, but he's been below-average since they got the 21-3 lead. Totally outplayed by Burrow despite given time to throw. Uncharacteristically inaccurate in OT.

Fun game!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 05:14:03 PM
I'd kick the FG now.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 30, 2022, 05:14:28 PM
Someone should make Tony Romo listen to his own isolated audio from this game.  He's really tried to talk over the game and taken away from the viewing experience.  He's usually great and I usually enjoy his call, but this has been way way too much.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 30, 2022, 05:15:07 PM
I am the jinx for KC.   I was watching LPGA golf and turned this on at the two minute warning of the first half.   KC started playing lousy right after I said this game was one sided.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 05:15:47 PM
Kick it!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 30, 2022, 05:17:25 PM
A few weeks ago in the betting thread, I said next year was gonna be the year to put money on Cincy & Burrow. Guess I was wrong.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 05:17:59 PM
Wow.

I wasn't rooting for either team when the game started, but I really enjoyed the way Cinci played in the second half. Awesome.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CreightonWarrior on January 30, 2022, 05:18:51 PM
Happy for the Bengals, so tired of Mahomes and the chiefs.

Packers are de facto afc champions since they beat the bengals earlier in the season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on January 30, 2022, 05:19:36 PM
Do it for Harambe
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 30, 2022, 05:19:51 PM
Chiefs' penchant for trying to be too cute in the red zone finally catches up to them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 30, 2022, 05:24:50 PM
Mahomes was terrible.  Whole lot of Brett Favre in that game
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 30, 2022, 05:26:18 PM
He and Ar will have time to do some more commercials.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2022, 05:27:25 PM
Joe Burrow has the It Factor necessary to lead teams to victory. Very enjoyable to watch him play. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on January 30, 2022, 05:28:48 PM
Over-under on the times "Joe Burrow" and "swagger" will be paired over the next two week: 1,346
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2022, 05:53:46 PM
Someone should make Tony Romo listen to his own isolated audio from this game.  He's really tried to talk over the game and taken away from the viewing experience.  He's usually great and I usually enjoy his call, but this has been way way too much.
I agree with this analysis
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on January 30, 2022, 06:36:48 PM
The John Hamm commercial is pretty good.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 06:40:24 PM
Chiefs' penchant for trying to be too cute in the red zone finally catches up to them.

You're right, sir.

And how 'bout Romo saying 10 times that maybe the Chiefs' RB should take a knee at the 1 if he gets through the line. In a game the team was losing by 3. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 30, 2022, 06:42:06 PM
Chiefs' penchant for trying to be too cute in the red zone finally catches up to them.

Now I know where Matt Nagy learned that from.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 30, 2022, 06:45:15 PM
The two drops on this drive have got to be giving Stafford flashbacks.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 06:54:51 PM
The two drops on this drive have got to be giving Stafford flashbacks.

Including one by the best WR in the league. Crazy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Sir Lawrence on January 30, 2022, 07:20:52 PM
Harbaugh interviews for Vikings HC?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 30, 2022, 07:22:03 PM
Crean sucks
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2022, 07:46:07 PM
George Kittle is a very talented Tight End. I enjoy watchin him play.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2022, 07:57:34 PM
Cooper Kupp is always wide open every game. Just an amazing wide receiver .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 07:58:43 PM
Cooper Kupp is always wide open every game. Just an amazing wide receiver .

Dropped a likely TD pass early on, which shows that even the greats aren't perfect. And he is great.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 08:08:17 PM
Two idiotic challenges by McVay. Gave away two time-outs he might need later.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 30, 2022, 08:16:30 PM
McVay is the problem today.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on January 30, 2022, 08:23:28 PM
McVay is the problem today.

Yes.

But there have been 10-15 “panic” snaps so far. Gotta get set at the line before you get under 5 seconds.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on January 30, 2022, 08:36:37 PM
Ha - unnatural carnal knowledge Jimmy G!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on January 30, 2022, 08:38:27 PM
I've said it before. But, Cooper Kupp should be the MVP.

Also, happy for Stafford. Seems like a genuinely good guy, was stuck in Detroit purgatory forever.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2022, 08:38:44 PM
Rams playing a home Super Bowl.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on January 30, 2022, 08:40:55 PM
Impossible not to feel for Deebo though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on January 30, 2022, 08:42:19 PM
Yes.

But there have been 10-15 “panic” snaps so far. Gotta get set at the line before you get under 5 seconds.
Gotta get the play in quicker.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 30, 2022, 08:43:22 PM
OBJ picked the right QB to get him to the Super Bowl
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Marquette Fan on January 30, 2022, 08:48:39 PM
I grew up in Cincy and had my heart broken with the two Super Bowl losses to the 49ers.  I became a Packers fan many many years ago when I attended Marquette.  But it is fun to see my hometown team make the Super Bowl for the first time in ages - Who Dey!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 30, 2022, 08:56:25 PM
We have a lot of football connections with Highland Park  High School  in Dallas so nice to see one of The Scotts alum , Matt Stafford, make it to the Super Bowl.

 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 30, 2022, 10:02:52 PM
Impossible not to feel for Deebo though.

He was inconsolable after the game. Talk about giving it his all but it not being enough.

When the Niners got the ball with 6 1/2 minutes to go, Aikman thought they'd run Mitchell and throw screens to Deebo to methodically take the ball down field, eat up the clock and set up Gould for the winning kick. And that strategy seemed to make a lot of sense. Instead, Kyle Shanahan called 3 straight passes for Jimmy G. Three incompletions and about 15 seconds of clock time later, the Niners punted. Seemed a weird time for a coach that many label a genius to go away from what had been working throughout the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 30, 2022, 11:33:00 PM
Watching the Bengals this post season may the happiest I’ve ever been for a team not named the Bears.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 30, 2022, 11:38:17 PM
Also, fun little Jimmy G anecdote.

One of my friends from Marquette went to Rolling Meadows while Jimmy G was there.

His fun fact/claim to fame was that during PE class he got hit in the face from a dodgeball thrown by Jimmy G himself.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on January 31, 2022, 06:49:05 AM
Also, fun little Jimmy G anecdote.

One of my friends from Marquette went to Rolling Meadows while Jimmy G was there.

His fun fact/claim to fame was that during PE class he got hit in the face from a dodgeball thrown by Jimmy G himself.

Surprised it wasn't intercepted before it got to your friend's face.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on January 31, 2022, 08:39:35 AM
Impossible not to feel for Deebo though.
Incredible effort. The way he runs, at 1000%, I do wonder how long his body can take that sort of punishment.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 31, 2022, 11:01:17 AM
Watching the Bengals this post season may the happiest I’ve ever been for a team not named the Bears.

And there hasn't been much to be happy about the Bears for in your lifetime, so you can probably take out the last four words of your sentence!  (Sorry, had to.)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: mikekinsellaMVP on January 31, 2022, 11:19:40 AM
Packers are de facto afc champions since they beat the bengals earlier in the season.

BFD.

If the Bengals win, I'm hanging my Matt Nagy "2-0 against the last two SB champs" banner next to Wojo's "Winning record against Bucky" banner.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 31, 2022, 03:43:44 PM
BFD.

If the Bengals win, I'm hanging my Matt Nagy "2-0 against the last two SB champs" banner next to Wojo's "Winning record against Bucky" banner.
A broken clock is correct twice a day
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on January 31, 2022, 09:11:30 PM
Rodgers stayed in Green Bay to discuss future plans after the season ended

https://www.nfl.com/news/aaron-rodgers-spent-extra-time-with-packers-staff-discussing-future-following-pl
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on February 01, 2022, 07:41:55 AM
"We're going to take the North and never give it back.

Cute.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 01, 2022, 08:47:21 AM
Brady makes it official.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2022, 09:39:02 AM
Brady makes it official.

Never a doubt. Schefter's a good reporter with good sources.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 01, 2022, 10:50:34 AM
Never a doubt. Schefter's a good reporter with good sources.

Uh...  https://deadline.com/2021/10/espn-adam-schefter-washington-football-team-story-sharing-statement-1234856183/ (https://deadline.com/2021/10/espn-adam-schefter-washington-football-team-story-sharing-statement-1234856183/)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 01, 2022, 11:08:50 AM
So?

Schefter works for the NFL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 01, 2022, 11:17:05 AM
Never a doubt. Schefter's a good reporter with good sources.

I generally agree on his sources, though that largely is a result of carrying water for agents and the league.
And we'll always have ...

(https://img.ifunny.co/images/0f525324f51ac45a0ed0e519ff9ed4db5e0960072b9f1ec61bcf84c689a67090_1.webp)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 01, 2022, 11:20:47 AM
Anyone know how many years Eberflus got on his contract? Is there a reason Bears are being secretive about it? Are these the same old Bears?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on February 01, 2022, 11:29:26 AM
"We're going to take the North and never give it back.

Cute.

He meant Northbrook.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 01, 2022, 12:09:25 PM
Anyone know how many years Eberflus got on his contract? Is there a reason Bears are being secretive about it? Are these the same old Bears?

They weren't willing to discuss it at the presser yesterday.  As skeptical as I normally am of Halas Hall, I sort of get this one.  You don't want to say "hey, the GM and the coach have identical contract lengths" and implicitly tie them to each other.  So instead of revealing both, or one and not the other, you just say nothing.

Getsy was a good hire.  I'm not totally sold on Alan Williams, but if you trust Eberflus and his D, than getting his lieutenant who knows his system cold isn't a terrible idea.

If they can get Joe Brady as a QB coach, that is intriguing.  Clearly he wasn't ready to be a play caller in the NFL, but I still trust his ability and talent in the passing game and lord knows the Bears need an injection of that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2022, 12:16:43 PM
Tea leaves starting to read Harbaugh to Minnesota
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 01, 2022, 12:17:03 PM
"We're going to take the North and never give it back.

Cute.


Packer fans who lived through the Bears decade of NFC Central dominance up until the mid 90s said similar things.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2022, 12:30:51 PM
They weren't willing to discuss it at the presser yesterday.  As skeptical as I normally am of Halas Hall, I sort of get this one.  You don't want to say "hey, the GM and the coach have identical contract lengths" and implicitly tie them to each other.  So instead of revealing both, or one and not the other, you just say nothing.

Yeah ... except that it will come out anyway.


Packer fans who lived through the Bears decade of NFC Central dominance up until the mid 90s said similar things.

True ... but eventually the Packers DID take the North and rarely gave it back.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 01, 2022, 12:37:40 PM
Yeah ... except that it will come out anyway.

True ... but eventually the Packers DID take the North and rarely gave it back.


The point being that things that may sound "cute" and provincial at the time they are uttered, sometimes come to pass.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 01, 2022, 12:51:37 PM
Maurice Drayton was let go.

I read an interesting article the other day, that I would link to if I remember where I read it, that the special teams coach being a turnstile at Green Bay is mostly due to both Thompson and Gutey not prioritizing special teams performance when making personnel decisions.  They brought up the last special teams "star" the Packers had, Jarrett Bush, who was clearly limited as a defensive back. 

So a new coach might run into the same problems.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2022, 01:05:27 PM
Maurice Drayton was let go.

I read an interesting article the other day, that I would link to if I remember where I read it, that the special teams coach being a turnstile at Green Bay is mostly due to both Thompson and Gutey not prioritizing special teams performance when making personnel decisions.  They brought up the last special teams "star" the Packers had, Jarrett Bush, who was clearly limited as a defensive back. 

So a new coach might run into the same problems.

If that’s the case, that’s malpractice by the staff and front office.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 01, 2022, 01:20:47 PM
I was really surprised the Pack didn’t go after Chris Tabor to be their ST coach. He wound up in Carolina, but he consistently had a decent ST unit in Chicago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2022, 01:22:32 PM
I was really surprised the Pack didn’t go after Chris Tabor to be their ST coach. He wound up in Carolina, but he consistently had a decent ST unit in Chicago.

Was very glad to see that hire for the Panthers. Our ST sucked.


The point being that things that may sound "cute" and provincial at the time they are uttered, sometimes come to pass.

True.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on February 01, 2022, 01:37:57 PM
Packers shouldn't aspire to be more than in the top 2/3s in the league in ST. You just need it not to be a liability. Unfortunately, it has been, and it's cost them an NFCC birth and a Super Bowl birth in Rodgers' career.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2022, 03:02:42 PM
Potentially interesting story developing

https://twitter.com/alexweprin/status/1488613314200494080?s=21

Brian Flores is suing the NFL.  Will be interesting to see the validity of all he is claiming
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 01, 2022, 03:10:02 PM
So uh, things just got interesting. If those texts are legit, yikes.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2022, 03:15:14 PM
So uh, things just got interesting. If those texts are legit, yikes.

There is a lot to unpack reading the suit.  I’ll note, it all has to be proven and it may never see a courtroom but this is a double whammy for the league.  Yes, I know the NFL is bulletproof, however…

The Rooney Rule has been a sham for the most part.  It’s unfathomable how a league with as many African-American players as the NFL has such few African-American coaches.  This is a problem. 

The other issue here is the Dolphins stuff inside the lawsuit.  Tampering with free agents and offering bonuses to lose and tank goes against the spirit of competition and given the leagues recent affiliation with gambling, might open a Pandora’s Box questioning the legitimacy of the league.  Unlikely, but some creative minds may disagree.  Ross has been a terrible owner.  The league may have a chance to force him out
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 01, 2022, 03:26:39 PM
There is a lot to unpack reading the suit.  I’ll note, it all has to be proven and it may never see a courtroom but this is a double whammy for the league.  Yes, I know the NFL is bulletproof, however…

The Rooney Rule has been a sham for the most part.  It’s unfathomable how a league with as many African-American players as the NFL has such few African-American coaches.  This is a problem. 

The other issue here is the Dolphins stuff inside the lawsuit.  Tampering with free agents and offering bonuses to lose and tank goes against the spirit of competition and given the leagues recent affiliation with gambling, might open a Pandora’s Box questioning the legitimacy of the league.  Unlikely, but some creative minds may disagree.  Ross has been a terrible owner.  The league may have a chance to force him out

This is well said.

From what I can gather in the 20 minutes since this broke, there’s two separate things going on here. The charge of racism against the Giants/Broncos/Dolphins/NFL, and then the Stephen Ross “stuff”. I’m by no means discounting the former, but in the latter, that could potentially be a league game changer if true. My first thought was if someone in DC wanted to go after the NFL’s antitrust exemption, there’s plenty of ammo out there now.

There is going to be A LOT to unpack here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 01, 2022, 03:32:09 PM
Brian Flores, meet Colin Kaepernick.

Haven't read the whole thing, but I'm not sure this has much chance of success. The Rooney Rule ain't federal law. Neither are NFL rules against tampering. And unless his has recordings, I suspect there's no evidence Ross offered Flores money to lose.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 01, 2022, 03:32:35 PM
You guys/gals gotta read this suit, there is some wild stuff in here.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2022, 03:35:05 PM
Brian Flores, meet Colin Kaepernick.

Haven't read the whole thing, but I'm not sure this has much chance of success. The Rooney Rule ain't federal law. Neither are NFL rules against tampering. And unless his has recordings, I suspect there's no evidence Ross offered Flores money to lose.

I think you’re probably right.  They filed in SDNY so it’ll have a chance to go to trial.  The NFL owns a day of the week and the sports entertainment landscape.

Still, this is something
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 01, 2022, 03:41:12 PM
I was really surprised the Pack didn’t go after Chris Tabor to be their ST coach. He wound up in Carolina, but he consistently had a decent ST unit in Chicago.

There is a specific reason for that and it goes back to what I said about the team not being serious about wanting to win a SB.

Reports are that they DID talk to Tabor (who clearly was the best guy available), but he was looking for a contract in the $1.5 mil area and GB didn't want to commit that much $$$ to Special Teams.

These decisions have consequences - as we saw just over a week ago.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 01, 2022, 03:46:10 PM
Potentially interesting story developing

https://twitter.com/alexweprin/status/1488613314200494080?s=21

Brian Flores is suing the NFL.  Will be interesting to see the validity of all he is claiming

He must be dead serious about this. His coaching career in the NFL is now over.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 01, 2022, 03:48:55 PM
Brian Flores, meet Colin Kaepernick.

Haven't read the whole thing, but I'm not sure this has much chance of success. The Rooney Rule ain't federal law. Neither are NFL rules against tampering. And unless his has recordings, I suspect there's no evidence Ross offered Flores money to lose.

I agree and disagree.

I don't like the chances for success as far as criminal liability. Civil liability is a whole 'nother can o' worms, though.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 01, 2022, 03:51:45 PM
I think you’re probably right.  They filed in SDNY so it’ll have a chance to go to trial.  The NFL owns a day of the week and the sports entertainment landscape.

Still, this is something

If his goal is to embarrass the league ... I'm not really sure that's possible.
If his goal is to walk away with a large settlement ... decent chance.
If his goal is to be an NFL head coach again ... not likely.

Honestly, is there anything new here?
Did anyone think the Rooney rule has been effective?
Did anyone believe there weren't sham interviews to comply with the rule?
Did anyone think Stephen Ross was a good owner (or person)?
Is anyone shocked Ross may have tampered with Deshaun Watson?

FWIW, going to bat for Eric Bienemy probably doesn't help him much. Bienemy's lack of HC opportunities involves more than his race.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 01, 2022, 03:53:27 PM
You guys/gals gotta read this suit, there is some wild stuff in here.

I think there are very valid questions to ask about the Rooney Rule and the plight of African American head coaches in the league.  Do I think Brian Flores got completely and utterly shafted in Miami?  1000%.  However, I think Ross is probably the worst owner in the league (in terms of actually managing an organization, Snyder close second) and this feels like far less racism, and way more utter incompetency, meddling, and being a dunce.

The Daboll stuff is interesting.  Is it racism?  Or is it just abuse of the Rooney Rule?  Is it one in the same?  I don't know the answer.  This would have been way more meaty if it had happened along with the disastrous Joe Judge hiring.

The Belichick texts are just breathtaking.  Like legitimately how dense can one be
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2022, 04:06:01 PM
If his goal is to embarrass the league ... I'm not really sure that's possible.
If his goal is to walk away with a large settlement ... decent chance.
If his goal is to be an NFL head coach again ... not likely.

Honestly, is there anything new here?
Did anyone think the Rooney rule has been effective?
Did anyone believe there weren't sham interviews to comply with the rule?
Did anyone think Stephen Ross was a good owner (or person)?
Is anyone shocked Ross may have tampered with Deshaun Watson?

FWIW, going to bat for Eric Bienemy probably doesn't help him much. Bienemy's lack of HC opportunities involves more than his race.

The issue with the Ross stuff goes beyond tampering.  If it’s proven he offered Flores $100,000 for each loss, that brings the legitimacy of competition into question.  The league has partnered with the gambling industry after eschewing it for nearly a century. 

I’m not stupid enough to think their isn’t a desire by some organizations to tank.  But if the competition is called into question and you’re actively promoting wagering on the games, it better not be illegitimate. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 01, 2022, 04:11:06 PM
The issue with the Ross stuff goes beyond tampering.  If it’s proven he offered Flores $100,000 for each loss, that brings the legitimacy of competition into question.  The league has partnered with the gambling industry after eschewing it for nearly a century. 

I’m not stupid enough to think their isn’t a desire by some organizations to tank.  But if the competition is called into question and you’re actively promoting wagering on the games, it better not be illegitimate.

How much less will be bet on the upcoming Suoer Bowl because of this lawsuit?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 01, 2022, 04:14:31 PM
If his goal is to embarrass the league ... I'm not really sure that's possible.
If his goal is to walk away with a large settlement ... decent chance.
If his goal is to be an NFL head coach again ... not likely.

Honestly, is there anything new here?
Did anyone think the Rooney rule has been effective?
Did anyone believe there weren't sham interviews to comply with the rule?
Did anyone think Stephen Ross was a good owner (or person)?
Is anyone shocked Ross may have tampered with Deshaun Watson?

FWIW, going to bat for Eric Bienemy probably doesn't help him much. Bienemy's lack of HC opportunities involves more than his race.

QB in question was not Watson.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2022, 04:17:42 PM
How much less will be bet on the upcoming Suoer Bowl because of this lawsuit?

Zero.  It’s open the league or teams to other lawsuits and potential criminal charges if found to be actively throwing games.  It’s akin to point shaving
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 01, 2022, 04:18:10 PM
QB in question was not Watson.

Had to be Brady right?  Which also makes Flores' actions all the more interesting.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2022, 04:23:02 PM
Had to be Brady right?  Which also makes Flores' actions all the more interesting.

That was the rumor in Miami
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 01, 2022, 04:24:23 PM
Zero.  It’s open the league or teams to other lawsuits and potential criminal charges if found to be actively throwing games.  It’s akin to point shaving

It's not akin to point shaving. If Flores' allegation is 100% true, it's not akin to point shaving. And you'd have to get through a lot of steps to go from Flores' allegation to the league facing criminal charges .. chief among them, evidence that Flores intentionally lost at Ross' request, something he denies.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 01, 2022, 04:25:25 PM
Had to be Brady right?  Which also makes Flores' actions all the more interesting.

I think it has to be Brady. The Watson timeline obviously doesn’t make sense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2022, 04:31:17 PM
It's not akin to point shaving. If Flores' allegation is 100% true, it's not akin to point shaving. And you'd have to get through a lot of steps to go from Flores' allegation to the league facing criminal charges .. chief among them, evidence that Flores intentionally lost at Ross' request, something he denies.

Owners offering coaches money to lose is what then?

It isn’t strictly about the Flores and Ross situation, it calls in the legitimacy of the league.  This isn’t just a one time issue.  Anytime there is talk of tanking, once you involve gambling with your league, you’ve opened a can of worms.  Just because Flores played to win doesn’t mean another coach hasn’t or won’t.

The league is going to be forced to confront the allegations against Ross to stem this.  They already have the federal government sticking their nose into the WTF “investigation”.  This is a perfect opportunity for grandstanding.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 01, 2022, 04:32:51 PM
Had to be Brady right?  Which also makes Flores' actions all the more interesting.

So, the tampering allegation is that he was asked to reach out to a pending free agent with whom he had a longstanding relationship?
Might cost the Phins a mid-round draft pick, but that kind of thing isn't exactly unheard of the NFL. And it just proves Ross is a bad owner, something that comes as a surprise to absolutely no one.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2022, 05:26:45 PM
Some interesting thoughts out there.  Being a class-action suit, other defendants may join the lawsuit.  This thing may broaden out quit a bit beyond Brian Flores.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 01, 2022, 05:39:53 PM
Owners offering coaches money to lose is what then?

It isn’t strictly about the Flores and Ross situation, it calls in the legitimacy of the league.  This isn’t just a one time issue.  Anytime there is talk of tanking, once you involve gambling with your league, you’ve opened a can of worms.  Just because Flores played to win doesn’t mean another coach hasn’t or won’t.

Actually, it is exactly a onetime issue, unless you're aware of other coaches claiming their team owners offered them bribes to lose.
If your argument is "it happened with Ross, so it could happen with every other owner" ... well, yeah, but that's a specious argument that you could have made before today. That Ross may or may not have done this says zero about any other owner.

And if the mere spector of tanking delegitimizes the NFL, wait until you learn about the NBA, NHL and MLB. I mean, "Tank for Tua" was a thing in Miami that season.

I don't mean to sound cynical, but this affects the NFL exactly as much as the Ray Rice video, the Jon Gruden emails, Spygate, Deflategate and the WFT sex harassment case ... which is to say, it's a fly on an elephant's rear.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on February 01, 2022, 05:49:29 PM
Hard to believe that Tom Brady is retiring. He has set an incredible standard of excellence for so long. I was not an early adopter on The Brady Bandwagon, as I was anti Patriots and everything that went with that.

However, Brady's sheer talent and doing it for so long brought me into his camp. Saw him at a couple of Super Bowls and was so impressed with how he controlled the game. As the years went by it was liking watching an artist paint a masterpiece. 

Brady is leaving while still at the pinnacle of the sport and relatively healthy. He is now in the same category as Jim Brown and Barry Sanders who left the NFL on their own terms.  I think that is a good thing. 
 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: nyg on February 01, 2022, 06:14:00 PM
If his goal is to embarrass the league ... I'm not really sure that's possible.
If his goal is to walk away with a large settlement ... decent chance.
If his goal is to be an NFL head coach again ... not likely.

Honestly, is there anything new here?
Did anyone think the Rooney rule has been effective?
Did anyone believe there weren't sham interviews to comply with the rule?
Did anyone think Stephen Ross was a good owner (or person)?
Is anyone shocked Ross may have tampered with Deshaun Watson?

FWIW, going to bat for Eric Bienemy probably doesn't help him much. Bienemy's lack of HC opportunities involves more than his race.

Bienemy was mentioned in the affidavit and his interview totals were stated. Yet, he has never been offered.  He is always the discussion of the media talking heads, past players, etc. of being the black assistant who deserves the job the most.

 Bienemy has been arrested four times, had his drivers license suspended and was basically kicked out of the University of Colorado as an assistant coach on allegations of luring recruits with sex and drugs.  There have been rumors that he just bombs the interview every time. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 01, 2022, 06:18:56 PM
Brady is leaving while still at the pinnacle of the sport and relatively healthy. He is now in the same category as Jim Brown and Barry Sanders who left the NFL on their own terms.  I think that is a good thing.

Brown retired at 29 and Sanders at 30.  Brady would be 45 by the start of next season, let’s not get out of pocket with that comparison.

Brady is playing well…in a perfect handpicked system in a favorable climate in a situation where he’s largely been prevented from being touched for the last 4-5 years.  That’s not at his peak or pinnacle like someone a decade plus younger.  He’s had an amazing enough career without excessive lauding and plaudits for something like that
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 01, 2022, 06:20:37 PM
I think there are very valid questions to ask about the Rooney Rule and the plight of African American head coaches in the league.  Do I think Brian Flores got completely and utterly shafted in Miami?  1000%.  However, I think Ross is probably the worst owner in the league (in terms of actually managing an organization, Snyder close second) and this feels like far less racism, and way more utter incompetency, meddling, and being a dunce.

The Daboll stuff is interesting.  Is it racism?  Or is it just abuse of the Rooney Rule?  Is it one in the same?  I don't know the answer.  This would have been way more meaty if it had happened along with the disastrous Joe Judge hiring.

The Belichick texts are just breathtaking.  Like legitimately how dense can one be

my thought exactly.  It isn't "racism" to say "this is the guy we want," target him, and then hire him (though we'd have to check with what the definition of "racism" is today since it's pretty fluid). Were there other minority candidates already interviewed? That will be an interesting angle if so.

Bienemy was mentioned in the affidavit and his interview totals were stated. Yet, he has never been offered.  He is always the discussion of the media talking heads, past players, etc. of being the black assistant who deserves the job the most.

 Bienemy has been arrested four times, had his drivers license suspended and was basically kicked out of the University of Colorado as an assistant coach on allegations of luring recruits with sex and drugs.  There have been rumors that he just bombs the interview every time. 

Bienemy was banned from CU, his alma mater, for harassment an assault of a parking attendant on campus. Granted, much of this was a long time ago so one had to determine what the statute of limitations are for owners to hire someone with such a background. Vance Johnson had some red flags and was hired by Denver, so maybe there is meat to the interview comments. That was the word when MU didn't hire Cuonzo it was because he bombed the interview, whereas Wojo dazzled with his PowerPoint.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 01, 2022, 06:24:06 PM
Bienemy was mentioned in the affidavit and his interview totals were stated. Yet, he has never been offered.  He is always the discussion of the media talking heads, past players, etc. of being the black assistant who deserves the job the most.

 Bienemy has been arrested four times, had his drivers license suspended and was basically kicked out of the University of Colorado as an assistant coach on allegations of luring recruits with sex and drugs.  There have been rumors that he just bombs the interview every time.

SAS was just ranting about it the other day.  Add to all that the fact that there is a bit of a reputation developing around OCs under Reid who aren’t the primary play caller and there you go. It’s far different than someone like Flores.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2022, 06:34:47 PM
Incredible story and interesting discussion. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 01, 2022, 06:36:37 PM
They were always going to zig when everyone else zagged, and now Jim Harbaugh is your new Vikings head coach.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on February 01, 2022, 09:40:33 PM
Brown retired at 29 and Sanders at 30.  Brady would be 45 by the start of next season, let’s not get out of pocket with that comparison.

Brady is playing well…in a perfect handpicked system in a favorable climate in a situation where he’s largely been prevented from being touched for the last 4-5 years.  That’s not at his peak or pinnacle like someone a decade plus younger.  He’s had an amazing enough career without excessive lauding and plaudits for something like that
Brady led the League in 5 passing categories this year . That is textbook definition of pinnacle performance . It was certainly among the top 3 years in his career .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 01, 2022, 10:29:12 PM
Brady is playing well…in a perfect handpicked system in a favorable climate in a situation where he’s largely been prevented from being touched for the last 4-5 years.  That’s not at his peak or pinnacle like someone a decade plus younger.  He’s had an amazing enough career without excessive lauding and plaudits for something like that

Tom Brady, System Quarterback.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 01, 2022, 10:36:04 PM
I'm not impressed with Brady. I bet there's less than 25% chance he wins another Super Bowl.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 02, 2022, 12:28:57 AM
Tom Brady, System Quarterback.

Tell me with a straight face that this current Brady would be putting up the same numbers with the team in NE the last 2 years. Or in Denver or Philly.

I never said he was a system quarterback. Don’t be dramatic just for another patented Pakuni gotcha.  There are a specific set of circumstances that allowed Brady to continue at a high level, that’s just fact.  He had a great climate, great scheme and the best set of WRs and skill players in the league.

That’s a far cry from a 29 year old Barry Sanders or Jim Brown who would have been more or less the best RB in the NFL no matter what team you dropped them on
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 02, 2022, 07:52:25 AM
The Washington Commanders is the most generic nickname.  And this logo?  Two years for this???

(https://content.sportslogos.net/news/2022/02/Washington-Commanders-750x422.jpeg)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 02, 2022, 07:55:46 AM
I'm offended, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2022, 08:23:00 AM
I'm offended, hey?

Well, you’ve established yourself as a snowflake.  Personally, I’m offended, too.  That name is terrible.  Eat at Arby’s
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 02, 2022, 08:27:46 AM
The Washington Commanders is the most generic nickname.  And this logo?  Two years for this???

(https://content.sportslogos.net/news/2022/02/Washington-Commanders-750x422.jpeg)

Insane.  I thought Red Wolves was the best option personally but my god this is bad.  They are basically a team name/logo from a 90s football video game that didn’t get NFL licensing
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 02, 2022, 08:34:40 AM
Their intro video is so 90s too.  But this is also the league that hauled out the "let's get ready to rumble" guy for the NFC championship game kick off this weekend.  So maybe that's what they are trying for?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 02, 2022, 08:37:33 AM
Changed their name from WFT to WTF.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 02, 2022, 09:12:39 AM
Changed their name from WFT to WTF.

Very good, my friend! I might have to steal that sometime -- and I'll of course credit you if I do.

As for the hullaballoo ... as I'm not a Washington sports fan, the new name/logo/etc does not bother me. It does not inspire me. It really means nothing to me. Just as MU being The Gold for a week probably didn't bother many people in Washington, D.C.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on February 02, 2022, 09:48:43 AM
Their intro video is so 90s too.  But this is also the league that hauled out the "let's get ready to rumble" guy for the NFC championship game kick off this weekend.  So maybe that's what they are trying for?

I was most struck by how much the intro video featured the old nickname. Even including the song.

This looks like a bad Madden Create-A-Team.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 02, 2022, 10:52:40 AM
Their intro video is so 90s too.  But this is also the league that hauled out the "let's get ready to rumble" guy for the NFC championship game kick off this weekend.  So maybe that's what they are trying for?

Doesn't LA use Michael Buffer at every home game?  I think it's sort of a tradition they're trying to create...

but it's stupid.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 02, 2022, 11:39:02 AM
The Washington Commanders is the most generic nickname.  And this logo?  Two years for this???

(https://content.sportslogos.net/news/2022/02/Washington-Commanders-750x422.jpeg)

McLovin on Dan Patrick referred to them as "The Commies." This will be great marketing to attract Millennials and Gen Z.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2022, 12:21:31 PM
McLovin on Dan Patrick referred to them as "The Commies." This will be great marketing to attract Millennials and Gen Z.

Since about 1920, what generation hasn’t been referred to by previous generations as communists?  The joke/characterization  is pretty tired by this point.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 02, 2022, 12:44:50 PM
McLovin on Dan Patrick referred to them as "The Commies."

I guess that's fitting, given how many scared white folks think that Black athletes who stand up for human rights and racial equality are "Marxists."
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 02, 2022, 01:21:59 PM
I guess that's fitting, given how many scared white folks think that Black athletes who stand up for human rights and racial equality are "Marxists."

well, if their loudest organization and its leaders didn't describe themselves "trained Marxists" (with four expensive houses and land in the Bahamas near Tiger Woods's house, notwithstanding) with the hammer and sickle prominent at their rallies maybe they wouldn't be called that.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 02, 2022, 01:26:25 PM
well, if their loudest organization and its leaders didn't describe themselves "trained Marxists" (with four expensive houses and land in the Bahamas near Tiger Woods's house, notwithstanding) with the hammer and sickle prominent at their rallies maybe they wouldn't be called that.


Who is their "loudest organization?"  And prove that it somehow represents "Black athletes who stand up for human rights and racial equity."

I'll save you the trouble.  You can't. 

This is just another dumb comment you make to avoid taking other people's concerns seriously.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on February 02, 2022, 01:30:47 PM
I guess that's fitting, given how many scared white folks think that Black athletes who stand up for human rights as long as it doesn't occur in Chinaand racial equality are "Marxists."
FIFY.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 02, 2022, 02:06:14 PM
FIFY.

Stop pretending you care.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on February 02, 2022, 02:13:17 PM
Stop pretending you care.
OK dad. Which part, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet, Mongolia, Wuhan?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 02, 2022, 02:28:51 PM
OK dad. Which part, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet, Mongolia, Wuhan?

Happy New Year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on February 02, 2022, 02:36:34 PM
Happy New Year.
Have fun watching the Winter Olympics.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 02, 2022, 02:47:04 PM
OK dad. Which part, Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet, Mongolia, Wuhan?


I love the line of thinking that unless someone is perfect in their approach toward human rights, they are therefore not to be taken seriously when they talk about human rights at all.

Even Jesus wasn't perfect.  Don't be such a Pharisee. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on February 02, 2022, 02:50:47 PM

I love the line of thinking that unless someone is perfect in their approach toward human rights, they are therefore not to be taken seriously when they talk about human rights at all.

Even Jesus wasn't perfect.  Don't be such a Pharisee.
Never said anyone had to be perfect, and I take everyone seriously when one talks about human rights. Would just like a little more consistency when it comes to China, from everyone.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2022, 02:57:53 PM
Never said anyone had to be perfect, and I take everyone seriously when one talks about human rights. Would just like a little more consistency when it comes to China, from everyone.

It is interesting Chinese human rights are a concern because people don’t particularly care for African-American athletes speaking out on injustice.  In many ways, the abuses in China are highlighted by injustice in our own country.  Methinks Fox News and the right wing would happily look past those abuses considering their business dealings in that country. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on February 02, 2022, 03:10:04 PM
It is interesting Chinese human rights are a concern because people don’t particularly care for African-American athletes speaking out on injustice.  In many ways, the abuses in China are highlighted by injustice in our own country.  Methinks Fox News and the right wing would happily look past those abuses considering their business dealings in that country.
Considering I am not a Fox News guy, can't answer that. I think a lot of people turn a blind eye to China because they like their inexpensive products, and as long as the sweat shops/slave trade isn't on our shore, they don't care. It's not just because of the NBA stance, look at H&M, Burberry, or any other companies that were/are using Xinjiang cotton. The problem is how do you stop it? China just sends their forced labor to other provinces so its hard to track.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 02, 2022, 03:12:28 PM
Never said anyone had to be perfect, and I take everyone seriously when one talks about human rights. Would just like a little more consistency when it comes to China, from everyone.

"But what about China?" is a very serious response to Black athletes raising legitimate concerns about discrimination.
And I'm very much looking forward to the luge, thank you.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2022, 03:14:08 PM
Considering I am not a Fox News guy, can't answer that. I think a lot of people turn a blind eye to China because they like their inexpensive products, and as long as the sweat shops/slave trade isn't on our shore, they don't care. It's not just because of the NBA stance, look at H&M, Burberry, or any other companies that were/are using Xinjiang cotton. The problem is how do you stop it? China just sends their forced labor to other provinces so its hard to track.

That’s why I think it’s a convenient what about.  That’s not directed at you but the idea African-American athletes can’t be concerned about societal issues in this country because of China rings hollow to me.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on February 02, 2022, 03:14:19 PM
Considering I am not a Fox News guy, can't answer that. I think a lot of people turn a blind eye to China because they like their inexpensive products, and as long as the sweat shops/slave trade isn't on our shore, they don't care. It's not just because of the NBA stance, look at H&M, Burberry, or any other companies that were/are using Xinjiang cotton. The problem is how do you stop it? China just sends their forced labor to other provinces so its hard to track.

How to stop it?

In the US, force products sold here to be made here. Or at least tax products made elsewhere
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on February 02, 2022, 03:56:43 PM
How to stop it?

In the US, force products sold here to be made here. Or at least tax products made elsewhere
In a perfect world, I'd be down for an embargo of countries with human rights violations (Egypt, China, etc). However, we would also need to clean up our side of the street so to speak (better wages, working conditions, etc)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 02, 2022, 04:37:16 PM
In a perfect world, I'd be down for an embargo of countries with human rights violations (Egypt, China, etc). However, we would also need to clean up our side of the street so to speak (better wages, working conditions, etc)

We'd be the kettle calling the pot black in that regard.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on February 02, 2022, 04:41:03 PM
So now Flores and Jackson claiming financial incentive to lose games. When does this start to conflict with sports betting interests?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 02, 2022, 04:54:05 PM
That’s why I think it’s a convenient what about.  That’s not directed at you but the idea African-American athletes can’t be concerned about societal issues in this country because of China rings hollow to me.

This, of course. Typical goalpost shifting and deflection.

The president of the United States incited a violent coup against the U.S. government? Yeah ... but what about the BLM protests in Portland?!?!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2022, 04:58:13 PM
So now Flores and Jackson claiming financial incentive to lose games. When does this start to conflict with sports betting interests?

Without being crass or dismissive towards the problem of minority hiring in the NFL, this is what scares the league more
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 02, 2022, 05:03:33 PM
This, of course. Typical goalpost shifting and deflection.

The president of the United States incited a violent coup against the U.S. government? Yeah ... but what about the BLM protests in Portland?!?!

Oh good, almost went a whole day without that being injected into another sports thread.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 02, 2022, 05:05:42 PM
Oh good, almost went a whole day without that being injected into another sports thread.

I know you preferred the immediate changing of the subject to human rights violations in China, Wags.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 02, 2022, 05:10:51 PM
I know you preferred the immediate changing of the subject to human rights violations in China, Wags.

Equally unnecessary, but that poster doesn't inject it daily in a myriad of different threads.  Its not saving our great republic by bringing it up incessantly.  Its just baiting the same tired arguments.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 02, 2022, 05:11:00 PM
So now Flores and Jackson claiming financial incentive to lose games. When does this start to conflict with sports betting interests?

No idea whether Flores is telling the truth, but I'd tend to trust him over Stephen Ross.
On the other hand, Hue Jackson is a phony and con man who's spent the past few years blaming everybody and anything but himself for his abysmal performance in Cleveland.
If Hue is now saying his teams were so bad because he threw games in return for compensation, he's confessing to a federal crime.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/224
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 02, 2022, 05:29:38 PM
Equally unnecessary, but that poster doesn't inject it daily in a myriad of different threads.  Its not saving our great republic by bringing it up incessantly.  Its just baiting the same tired arguments.

Thanks for policing Scoop so semi-thoroughly.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 02, 2022, 05:32:34 PM
Thanks for policing Scoop so semi-thoroughly.

You're an inquisitive, knowledgeable, and well read guy, you can do better than regurgitating the same warmed over talking points where not needed.  And then giving the same lame sarcastic response about policing whenever you're called out on it.

When lawdog starts repeating "what about China" centric comments  repeatedly, maybe then it would merit notice as well (shrug)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 02, 2022, 05:36:16 PM
No idea whether Flores is telling the truth, but I'd tend to trust him over Stephen Ross.
On the other hand, Hue Jackson is a phony and con man who's spent the past few years blaming everybody and anything but himself for his abysmal performance in Cleveland.
If Hue is now saying his teams were so bad because he threw games in return for compensation, he's confessing to a federal crime.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/224

Tanking (now that betting has been legalized) is just another form of fixing games. It needs to be punished and any owner who monetarily encourages his team to lose should be banned for life from the NFL.

Of course, it is one of the easiest problems in sports to fix (NFL). Actually there are 2 ways to do it as the only reason for tanking is a higher draft pick.

1. Make the draft a true lottery with all 32 teams having an equal shot at the #1 pick. Losing and mismanagement should not be rewarded.

Or

2. Abolish the draft and institute a hard salary cap for rookies. Every team has the same budget to sign rookies. Put a 30 day limit on the process and any rookie signed after 30 days only gets the league minimum.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2022, 05:39:20 PM
Tanking (now that betting has been legalized) is just another form of fixing games. It needs to be punished and any owner who monetarily encourages his team to lose should be banned for life from the NFL.

Of course, it is one of the easiest problems in sports to fix (NFL). Actually there are 2 ways to do it as the only reason for tanking is a higher draft pick.

1. Make the draft a true lottery with all 32 teams having an equal shot at the #1 pick. Losing and mismanagement should not be rewarded.

Or

2. Abolish the draft and institute a hard salary cap for rookies. Every team has the same budget to sign rookies. Put a 30 day limit on the process and any rookie signed after 30 days only gets the league minimum.

The second idea, of course, is a non-starter.  The draft is one of the NFL’s largest non-game properties
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 02, 2022, 06:31:54 PM
You're an inquisitive, knowledgeable, and well read guy, you can do better than regurgitating the same warmed over talking points where not needed.  And then giving the same lame sarcastic response about policing whenever you're called out on it.

When lawdog starts repeating "what about China" centric comments  repeatedly, maybe then it would merit notice as well (shrug)

Because I respect the police, I'll give you the last word.

Go Marquette!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on February 02, 2022, 06:32:22 PM
Can we pause from the serious topics to laugh at the Vikings biffing their pursuit of Harbaugh?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 02, 2022, 06:32:28 PM
Harbaugh rejects the Vikings, says he's staying at Michigan.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on February 02, 2022, 06:39:45 PM
I know you preferred the immediate changing of the subject to human rights violations in China, Wags.
怎么样

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 02, 2022, 06:44:31 PM
Can we pause from the serious topics to laugh at the Vikings biffing their pursuit of Harbaugh?

Assuming Harbaugh wanted more control over the roster than the Queens were willing to give him?

Oh, well..., lots more white guys to pick from.

Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 02, 2022, 07:12:44 PM
Are we sure that Harbaugh wasn't using the Vikings just to suck more $$$ out of the Maize & Blue?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 02, 2022, 07:18:06 PM
Are we sure that Harbaugh wasn't using the Vikings just to suck more $$$ out of the Maize & Blue?

Yes
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 02, 2022, 11:43:29 PM
Yes

Thanks. I haven't followed it.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on February 03, 2022, 07:16:42 PM
Jags continue to do Jags things

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/03/report-byron-leftwich-is-expected-to-pull-out-of-consideration-for-jaguars-head-coach/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: nyg on February 03, 2022, 08:21:56 PM
Jags continue to do Jags things

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/03/report-byron-leftwich-is-expected-to-pull-out-of-consideration-for-jaguars-head-coach/

Demeco Ryans pulled out of job interviews and back to 49ers
Patrick Graham pulled out of job interviews and back to Giants
Now Leftwich pulled out of job interviews and back to Bucs

All within two days of Flores suit……..
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 03, 2022, 09:32:30 PM
Jags going with Doug Pederson.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 04, 2022, 06:14:16 AM
Jags going with Doug Pederson.

Woooooooooowwwwwwwwww... Why tho?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 04, 2022, 06:32:14 AM
It’s has been qwhite the hiring season thus far
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 04, 2022, 06:38:19 AM
The Jags hamstrung themselves with sticking with Baalke so a lot of up and comers stayed away.  But Pederson isn't terrible by any means.  I think the problem is that they are simply a dysfunctional organization so whomever they hired is likely not to succeed.

(But I would have said the same thing about the Bengals three years ago.)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MUBurrow on February 04, 2022, 09:20:38 AM
Why did Washington wait like 2 years to announce the new name of their team, and then hold the reveal two days before their owner was scheduled to appear before Congress for being a total creep? 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on February 04, 2022, 09:34:09 AM
Why did Washington wait like 2 years to announce the new name of their team, and then hold the reveal two days before their owner was scheduled to appear before Congress for being a total creep?

Maybe so the absurdly bad new logo and brand name would get lost in the other bad news.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 04, 2022, 11:03:13 AM
I said it earlier.   Going from WFT to WTF.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: rocket surgeon on February 04, 2022, 05:44:16 PM
Are we sure that Harbaugh wasn't using the Vikings just to suck more $$$ out of the Maize & Blue?

me thinks jimmy bob was spikin the football-it was said that he was saying some goodbye's on his way out to minny


   https://www.on3.com/teams/michigan-wolverines/news/jim-harbaugh-plans-to-sign-with-the-minnesota-vikings/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on February 06, 2022, 11:00:19 AM
Jags bringing in EVP Football Operations.  Something they desperately need.

https://www.nfl.com/news/jaguars-owner-shad-khan-aims-to-strengthen-football-operations-add-brainpower

Pederson say this is not an overnight fix

https://www.nfl.com/news/doug-pederson-eager-for-challenge-of-rebuilding-jaguars-this-is-not-an-overnight
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 06, 2022, 08:35:00 PM
Lovie is back???
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 06, 2022, 08:37:42 PM
Lovie is back???

🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 06, 2022, 09:47:18 PM
Everyone complaining (probably justified) about retread white coaches getting interest and second chances, welp, equal opportunity nonsense for a change!

He was bad with the Bucs, even worse with the Illini, and then presided over a horrid defense this year. I mean WTF.  I mean, he’s a good dude, so there’s that?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 06, 2022, 11:11:21 PM
Everyone complaining (probably justified) about retread white coaches getting interest and second chances, welp, equal opportunity nonsense for a change!

He was bad with the Bucs, even worse with the Illini, and then presided over a horrid defense this year. I mean WTF.  I mean, he’s a good dude, so there’s that?

Complaining about retread white coaches has definitely been justified ... but Lovie's a bad coach.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 07, 2022, 09:33:32 AM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/07/jack-easterby-continues-to-stay-a-step-ahead-of-everyone/

Basically the Texans want to hire McCown, know they would look ridiculous hiring him when you have Flores as another finalist, and are using Lovie as a compromise candidate and are falsely pushing the narrative that he has been a finalist since the beginning.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 07, 2022, 10:24:50 AM
Packers reportedly hiring Rich Bisaccia as special teams coach.
Really good get for them.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on February 07, 2022, 10:42:31 AM
Packers reportedly hiring Rich Bisaccia as special teams coach.
Really good get for them.

I wonder if it comes with an assistant head coach title (would be deserved), and whether there were other commitments made
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 07, 2022, 10:56:24 AM
Packers reportedly hiring Rich Bisaccia as special teams coach.
Really good get for them.

Now they need to find a winner to play QB
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 07, 2022, 11:12:36 AM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/02/07/jack-easterby-continues-to-stay-a-step-ahead-of-everyone/

Basically the Texans want to hire McCown, know they would look ridiculous hiring him when you have Flores as another finalist, and are using Lovie as a compromise candidate and are falsely pushing the narrative that he has been a finalist since the beginning.

Easterby and Cal McNair continue to be the Keystone Cops

This is certainly not a defense of what Watson may have done, but the Texans organizational incompetence and complete clusterf*** of everything, plus the association with a grifter like Tony Buzbee, makes that whole situation even less cut and dry and more "whats ACTUALLY going on here".  If anything, assuming Watson is as guilty, the Texans being such a disaster and the timing of their very public feuding does an even greater disservice to his victims.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 07, 2022, 11:53:45 AM
I wonder if it comes with an assistant head coach title (would be deserved), and whether there were other commitments made

Considering STs have kept them from the SB twice in the last 7-8 years, it's about time they acted like STs are important.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 07, 2022, 12:40:26 PM
Packers reportedly hiring Rich Bisaccia as special teams coach.
Really good get for them.




Yeah, won yeer two late, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 07, 2022, 05:39:56 PM
Saints promoting Dennis Allen to HC.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 07, 2022, 06:17:11 PM
Saints promoting Dennis Allen to HC.

Welp, if you can get a guy who was 8 and 28 as a coach not long ago, might as well!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 07, 2022, 06:56:55 PM
Welp, if you can get a guy who was 8 and 28 as a coach not long ago, might as well!

For better or worse, continuity was really important to the Saints.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on February 07, 2022, 07:16:21 PM
I hope Dennis Allen and the new OC are committed to FB/QB Taysom Hill
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 07, 2022, 07:45:26 PM
I hope Dennis Allen and the new OC are committed to FB/QB Taysom Hill

Wonder if Eric Bienemy should try to latch on there as OC.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on February 07, 2022, 10:49:59 PM
Brady leaves door open a crack to return.

https://www.nfl.com/news/tom-brady-on-potential-of-returning-you-never-say-never
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 07, 2022, 11:22:33 PM
Wonder if Eric Bienemy should try to latch on there as OC.

Does he have a relationship with Allen somehow?  Also I think I saw he's officially returning to the Chiefs
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on February 08, 2022, 10:26:16 PM
Was in Tampa and the towns folks are holding out hope for Brady to change his mind .
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 08, 2022, 10:36:57 PM
Not being the center of attention can often feel like as big of a loss as not playing the game any longer...
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: DegenerateDish on February 10, 2022, 09:12:26 PM
Devin Hester should have been a first ballot HOF’er. I’ll die on that hill.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on February 10, 2022, 09:36:54 PM
Leroy finally gets what he deserves.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 10, 2022, 10:03:42 PM
Devin Hester should have been a first ballot HOF’er. I’ll die on that hill.

Agree. Pretty weak class
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on February 10, 2022, 10:54:25 PM
Devin Hester should have been a first ballot HOF’er. I’ll die on that hill.

Undoubtedly. In the days before the NFL legislated the return game into extinction (and for good reason), he transformed the way the game was played
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 10, 2022, 10:55:16 PM
MVP to Rodgers
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 10, 2022, 11:01:07 PM
Leroy finally gets what he deserves.

Yup! 'bout time.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 11, 2022, 04:29:26 AM
Leroy finally gets what he deserves.

Yep.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 11, 2022, 08:06:34 AM
From The Athletic:

Rodgers didn't think he'd win the MVP award, though, after his COVID-19 diagnosis and the ensuing controversy. Former NFL punter Pat McAfee said on his daily show in early November how he didn't think Rodgers will ever win another NFL MVP award, insinuating the media voters wouldn't vote for Rodgers ever again. Rodgers replied, "That's a legitimate statement."

Illegitimate, as it turns out.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 11, 2022, 08:15:35 AM
Pack reely fooked up knot draftin' TJ Watt. Sumtymes ya kant sea da fourest fore da trees, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2022, 08:22:22 AM
From The Athletic:

Rodgers didn't think he'd win the MVP award, though, after his COVID-19 diagnosis and the ensuing controversy. Former NFL punter Pat McAfee said on his daily show in early November how he didn't think Rodgers will ever win another NFL MVP award, insinuating the media voters wouldn't vote for Rodgers ever again. Rodgers replied, "That's a legitimate statement."

Illegitimate, as it turns out.

As it turns out, Rodgers is a loser and idiot
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 11, 2022, 08:45:09 AM
If dats da kase, he's maid lotsa bread bein' won, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 11, 2022, 08:51:48 AM
yer th won hoo wonnted him trayded.   alung wth giannis und budenholzer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2022, 08:59:50 AM
If dats da kase, he's maid lotsa bread bein' won, aina?

If there’s one thing we’ve learned in life, many idiots and losers make a lot of bread
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 11, 2022, 09:32:03 AM
yer th won hoo wonnted him trayded.   alung wth giannis und budenholzer.



Fahrenheit, you may have noticed, I'd trade anyone. Particularly, if they're a pain in the ass, talent or no talent, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 11, 2022, 09:50:45 AM


Fahrenheit, you may have noticed, I'd trade anyone. Particularly, if they're a pain in the ass, talent or no talent, hey?

Good thing the Bucks listened to you and traded Giannis' azz, or they never woulda won nuthin' last year!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on February 11, 2022, 10:37:23 AM
Aaron Rodgers holds the top six Interception to Touchdown ratios of All Time

Last two years 85 TDs 9 INT

https://www.nfl.com/news/packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-named-2021-ap-nfl-mvp
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 11, 2022, 10:41:50 AM
Congrats to Leroy Butler. Much deserved.

I met him once when I worked in TV.  A genuinely nice person, with a smile that lights up a room.  He was genuinely enthusiastic to be there, even at a podunk station in Wausau, WI.  As classy as they come.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 11, 2022, 10:43:12 AM
Congrats to Leroy Butler. Much deserved.

I met him once when I worked in TV.  A genuinely nice person, with a smile that lights up a room.  He was genuinely enthusiastic to be there, even at a podunk station in Wausau, WI.  As classy as they come.

Always been a very nice dude.  Have dealt with him on more than a few occasions. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 11, 2022, 06:06:56 PM
Congrats to Leroy Butler. Much deserved.

I met him once when I worked in TV.  A genuinely nice person, with a smile that lights up a room.  He was genuinely enthusiastic to be there, even at a podunk station in Wausau, WI.  As classy as they come.

The first jersey I ever owned was a LeRoy Butler jersey back in the 90s.  Always has been and always will be my favorite Packer.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 11, 2022, 06:36:53 PM
Always been a very nice dude.  Have dealt with him on more than a few occasions.

Not a Packer fan at all, but when I was a kid I liked Butler.  He did a signing at a (now closed) memorabilia store near my house.  Went with my Mom to get a signed picture for my Dad.  Owner of the store was a total tool, had it running like an assembly line..."no customized autographs, no standing pictures" or some nonsense.  After a bunch of adults with piles of jerseys and stuff, Butler lit up as he saw me coming.  My mom made a joke about me being a Bears fan and he proceeded to razz me for a bit and then stood up to come around the table to take a pic crouched next to me, waving off the owner who was visibly agitated our interaction was taking so long.  Stuck with me years and years later.  Great dude
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 11, 2022, 07:09:12 PM
Not a Packer fan at all, but when I was a kid I liked Butler.  He did a signing at a (now closed) memorabilia store near my house.  Went with my Mom to get a signed picture for my Dad.  Owner of the store was a total tool, had it running like an assembly line..."no customized autographs, no standing pictures" or some nonsense.  After a bunch of adults with piles of jerseys and stuff, Butler lit up as he saw me coming.  My mom made a joke about me being a Bears fan and he proceeded to razz me for a bit and then stood up to come around the table to take a pic crouched next to me, waving off the owner who was visibly agitated our interaction was taking so long.  Stuck with me years and years later.  Great dude

That's a real nice story.

It must be tedious signing autographs and posing for pix, and I really understand why some players just don't want to make time for it. I mean, you can sign 500 autographs and then if you stop, the 501st person is pissed off at you.

But still, I do hope most athletes get just how special an interaction with them can be, especially for a kid. What Butler did that day didn't hurt him a bit, and taking those few extra seconds made an impression for life on a kid named Wags.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 11, 2022, 07:43:26 PM
Dude was a helluva safety. Could really do it all back there. Tackle, pass defend, rush the passer….  Set the stage for those who came after.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 11, 2022, 09:29:31 PM
Not a Packer fan at all, but when I was a kid I liked Butler.  He did a signing at a (now closed) memorabilia store near my house.  Went with my Mom to get a signed picture for my Dad.  Owner of the store was a total tool, had it running like an assembly line..."no customized autographs, no standing pictures" or some nonsense.  After a bunch of adults with piles of jerseys and stuff, Butler lit up as he saw me coming.  My mom made a joke about me being a Bears fan and he proceeded to razz me for a bit and then stood up to come around the table to take a pic crouched next to me, waving off the owner who was visibly agitated our interaction was taking so long.  Stuck with me years and years later.  Great dude

Wags
My daughter produced the “Pack Attack” show out of Milwaukee for a year after she graduated from MU. My wife and I drove up from Chicago for her first show. It was a week before the season opener and two Packer players came down from Green Bay to be part of the show (Homer was the host). He was nice as was Antonio Freeman. But Leroy Butler was REALLY nice. Actually took time to chat with us, insisted we take several pictures, etc. My daughter worked with a lot of the players that year - Leroy was easily her favorite.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 11, 2022, 11:58:57 PM
Wags
My daughter produced the “Pack Attack” show out of Milwaukee for a year after she graduated from MU. My wife and I drove up from Chicago for her first show. It was a week before the season opener and two Packer players came down from Green Bay to be part of the show (Homer was the host). He was nice as was Antonio Freeman. But Leroy Butler was REALLY nice. Actually took time to chat with us, insisted we take several pictures, etc. My daughter worked with a lot of the players that year - Leroy was easily her favorite.

Awesome story. I’ve truly never heard a bad thing about him.  My mom ran into him at a grocery store about a year ago where he was doing some sort of minor appearance and he was just as gregarious and outgoing as ever.  Just a total class act and true elite ambassador for the organization. Kind of guy who would light up the room and be memorable if he was a greeter at Walmart, not a HOF talent
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on February 12, 2022, 10:09:30 AM
Incredibly long article by  Detroit writer ,who covers The Lions , who is rooting against Stafford .  Seems like sour grapes .

https://apple.news/A-wlSRPXnQCOhH-nVmN1nFw
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 12, 2022, 06:16:25 PM
Incredibly long article by  Detroit writer ,who covers The Lions , who is rooting against Stafford .  Seems like sour grapes .

https://apple.news/A-wlSRPXnQCOhH-nVmN1nFw

Stafford asked for trade. He never beat winning teams. He’s dine the same thing Goff did in LA, with a better team. Stafford stans are running around selling “Detroit Rams” shirts in Detroit stores. Stafford’s wife called MI a “dictatorship” over COVID restrictions. I realize the my fellow Lions fans are incredibly self-hating but all of this has gone too far. Who Dey? Go Bengals.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 12, 2022, 06:18:01 PM
If the Rams win, Canton for Stafford.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 12, 2022, 06:29:55 PM
Stafford asked for trade. He never beat winning teams. He’s dine the same thing Goff did in LA, with a better team. Stafford stans are running around selling “Detroit Rams” shirts in Detroit stores. Stafford’s wife called MI a “dictatorship” over COVID restrictions. I realize the my fellow Lions fans are incredibly self-hating but all of this has gone too far. Who Dey? Go Bengals.

Stafford isn’t a hall of famer but he is better than Goff.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 12, 2022, 08:28:43 PM
If the Rams win, Canton for Stafford.

I played in the American Legion baseball regionals in Canton, Il in 1967. Nice little town, but why would Stafford go there if the Rams win the Super Bowl? Family there?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on February 12, 2022, 08:48:12 PM
The look on Brady’s face is interesting in these pics. Seems like he was forced by the Missus to quit The NFL

https://pagesix.com/2022/02/11/tom-brady-and-gisele-bundchen-stroll-costa-rican-beach/

https://www.tmz.com/photos/image_jpg_20220211_50cf27e6f28a4082a785548822fce726/
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 13, 2022, 01:04:31 AM
Stafford asked for trade. He never beat winning teams. He’s dine the same thing Goff did in LA, with a better team. Stafford stans are running around selling “Detroit Rams” shirts in Detroit stores. Stafford’s wife called MI a “dictatorship” over COVID restrictions. I realize the my fellow Lions fans are incredibly self-hating but all of this has gone too far. Who Dey? Go Bengals.

Stafford made a number of big throws, in the playoffs alone, that Goff never would have been able to make.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 13, 2022, 09:34:57 PM
Stafford made a number of big throws, in the playoffs alone, that Goff never would have been able to make.
I've said it before, but he is like a high-volume shooter. He racks up a lot of good throws, but also a lot of bad throws. Favresque. Has the interceptions leader won the Superbowl before?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 13, 2022, 10:04:31 PM
I've said it before, but he is like a high-volume shooter. He racks up a lot of good throws, but also a lot of bad throws. Favresque. Has the interceptions leader won the Superbowl before?

Agree, with the stipulation that he is nowhere near the player Favre was.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: PointWarrior on February 13, 2022, 10:21:34 PM
Sad, packers had the talent to win it this year if special teams did not suck.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 13, 2022, 10:22:19 PM
As many 4th quarter comebacks as BF.   Nearly half of Stafford's career victories are 4th quarter comebacks.   The super bowl was just a comfortable slipper.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 13, 2022, 10:24:24 PM
As many 4th quarter comebacks as BF.   Nearly half of Stafford's career victories are 4th quarter comebacks.   The super bowl was just a comfortable slipper.

Only QB to lead the NFL in interceptions AND to win the SB!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 13, 2022, 10:27:30 PM
He did it his way.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 13, 2022, 10:29:31 PM
He did it his way.

Via Canton IL
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 13, 2022, 10:32:58 PM
That was Lenny.    This puts Stafford in the HOF.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 13, 2022, 10:41:06 PM
That was Lenny.    This puts Stafford in the HOF.

Your takes or very good...or very bad. Own them
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 13, 2022, 10:42:34 PM
Lenny said Canton, Il.  Give him his due.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: forgetful on February 13, 2022, 11:03:48 PM
Only QB to lead the NFL in interceptions AND to win the SB!

He threw 41 TDs to 17 INT. The 17 INT isn't really that many.

Agree, with the stipulation that he is nowhere near the player Favre was.

He's also nowhere near the gunslinger Favre was. Favre averaged 17 INTs a year, and that includes counting his year at Atlanta as a full year. This would be a good year INT wise for Favre.

Favre won an MVP with 35 TDs to 16 INT in a 16-game season.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashSean on February 14, 2022, 06:42:09 AM
Sad, packers had the talent to win it this year if special teams did not suck.

Or if the MVP could put ip more then 10 points.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: #UnleashSean on February 14, 2022, 06:43:14 AM
He threw 41 TDs to 17 INT. The 17 INT isn't really that many.

He's also nowhere near the gunslinger Favre was. Favre averaged 17 INTs a year, and that includes counting his year at Atlanta as a full year. This would be a good year INT wise for Favre.

Favre won an MVP with 35 TDs to 16 INT in a 16-game season.

Different game imo. Defense was actually allowed to play then.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 14, 2022, 06:54:33 AM
Defense played last night.   
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: GB Warrior on February 14, 2022, 08:47:39 AM
Bengals future looks very bright the next couple of seasons before their roster starts getting expensive. They need to invest heavily in OL and CB which are not insignificant pieces, but they're going to get another bite at the apple.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 14, 2022, 08:48:14 AM
Bengals future looks very bright the next couple of seasons before their roster starts getting expensive. They need to invest heavily in OL and CB which are not insignificant pieces, but they're going to get another bite at the apple.

Maybe
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 14, 2022, 08:53:26 AM
Dan Marino made (and lost) the Super Bowl in his second season.  The future looked bright.  He never got back.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 14, 2022, 09:07:35 AM
Dan Marino made (and lost) the Super Bowl in his second season.  The future looked bright.  He never got back.

Coupled with the Bengals having some extraordinary luck in the post-season, it is no guarantee. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on February 14, 2022, 09:14:06 AM
Yeah.  I texted a buddy after the game was over that it'd really hurt to be a Cinci fan right now, even though they have a young group and should probably get better.  The reality is that the Bills and Chiefs are better football teams, but in a one and done format the best team doesn't always win it.  So when you find yourself at the doorstep, you never know if you'll find yourself back there.

Heck, I'm not even sure the Rams were better than the Packers or the Bucs this year.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 14, 2022, 09:19:35 AM
Yeah.  I texted a buddy after the game was over that it'd really hurt to be a Cinci fan right now, even though they have a young group and should probably get better.  The reality is that the Bills and Chiefs are better football teams, but in a one and done format the best team doesn't always win it.  So when you find yourself at the doorstep, you never know if you'll find yourself back there.

Heck, I'm not even sure the Rams were better than the Packers or the Bucs this year.

I’m willing to wager Zac Taylor won’t be the next coach to take Cincinnati to the Super Bowl
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 14, 2022, 11:51:28 AM
That was Lenny.    This puts Stafford in the HOF.

Maybe in the Hall of Very Good.

12 years in the NFL. Never an All-Pro. One measly Pro Bowl selection (tied with the immortal Jay Cutler).

He has great counting stats but that is because he played for Detroit - not in spite of it. Always behind. Always had to throw the ball.

Now, One Super Bowl - which I would classify as being equal in weight to Jim McMahon or Joe Flacco winning one. It's a lot easier to do with the best defense in the League.

He is the Harold Baines of the NFL.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 14, 2022, 12:05:02 PM
His numbers and a ring equals Canton.  I am as sure of this as I was a year ago that the Rams were going to the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 14, 2022, 12:30:59 PM
His numbers and a ring equals Canton.  I am as sure of this as I was a year ago that the Rams were going to the Super Bowl.

Maybe if he balls out for 7 more years, then we can talk.  But as if today, not a HOFer.

As I said in another post, the Super Bowl is a team accomplishment and not an individual one.  Yesterday had minimal impact on Stafford's HOF chances.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 14, 2022, 12:31:34 PM
His numbers and a ring equals Canton.  I am as sure of this as I was a year ago that the Rams were going to the Super Bowl.


The Pro Football Hall of Fame has a strange election process in that it relies a lot more on personal persuasion than just outright voting so who knows if he will be lobbied to get in, but if his career ended right now, by this metric for instance, he would be the least deserving quarterback of all time.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm

He's made one Pro Bowl and maybe had a couple seasons where you would have considered him top five in the league. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 14, 2022, 12:58:03 PM
His numbers and a ring equals Canton.  I am as sure of this as I was a year ago that the Rams were going to the Super Bowl.

You are 100% right. I just think he is a very borderline guy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 14, 2022, 01:21:10 PM
His numbers and a ring equals Canton.  I am as sure of this as I was a year ago that the Rams were going to the Super Bowl.

His numbers relative to his peers are good, but not elite.
And there are plenty of one-ring QBs - and at least one two-ring QB I can think of - on the outside looking in at Canton.
It's close, but he's not a lock at this point. Win another title and you may be on to something.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CTWarrior on February 14, 2022, 04:01:37 PM

The Pro Football Hall of Fame has a strange election process in that it relies a lot more on personal persuasion than just outright voting so who knows if he will be lobbied to get in, but if his career ended right now, by this metric for instance, he would be the least deserving quarterback of all time.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm

He's made one Pro Bowl and maybe had a couple seasons where you would have considered him top five in the league.

That's interesting, thanks for posting.  I would have thought hat Joe Namath was the worst.  Look at his career numbers.  He is in solely because he was the winning QB of the most important game leading to the AFL-NFL merger.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 14, 2022, 05:48:27 PM
That's interesting, thanks for posting.  I would have thought hat Joe Namath was the worst.  Look at his career numbers.  He is in solely because he was the winning QB of the most important game leading to the AFL-NFL merger.

Bart Starr's stats are not comparable either. These guys had 2 wide receivers - seldom had 3; never had 4. It's a completely different game.

I think Namath's personality certainly helped him too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 14, 2022, 06:03:58 PM
I think Namath's personality certainly helped him too.

There are definitely players whose influence on the game transcend their production, and Namath is one of those guys. He was the first "rock star/celebrity" professional football player and helped create the TV spectacle that the game has become.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 14, 2022, 07:09:42 PM
Simply can't compare today's QBs to any who played before, say, 1980 (or maybe even later).

I mean, in winning 2 Super Bowls, Bob Griese threw a TOTAL of 18 passes. And he called his own plays!

Griese was what today would be called a "game manager." But he still was a worthy Hall of Famer.

The game started changing with the likes of Bradshaw and Stabler, but it was Marino, Elway and Kelly in the draft class of 1983 who really ushered in the new era.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 14, 2022, 07:19:57 PM
Simply can't compare today's QBs to any who played before, say, 1980 (or maybe even later).

I mean, in winning 2 Super Bowls, Bob Griese threw a TOTAL of 18 passes. And he called his own plays!

Griese was what today would be called a "game manager." But he still was a worthy Hall of Famer.

The game started changing with the likes of Bradshaw and Stabler, but it was Marino, Elway and Kelly in the draft class of 1983 who really ushered in the new era.



Right.  Which is why I like Pro Football Reference's page.  It compares players against their contemporaries, and Stafford has never been considered anything better than a notch below his top peers.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: wadesworld on February 14, 2022, 09:55:58 PM

Right.  Which is why I like Pro Football Reference's page.  It compares players against their contemporaries, and Stafford has never been considered anything better than a notch below his top peers.

Love the name change.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 15, 2022, 03:52:28 AM
Love the sex change.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on February 15, 2022, 08:19:10 AM
Bart Starr's stats are not comparable either. These guys had 2 wide receivers - seldom had 3; never had 4. It's a completely different game.

I think Namath's personality certainly helped him too.

Brother Jockey:

Bart Starr is in Canton because he was the field general of the Green Bay Packers in the 1960s. Five NFL Championships and a sixth Conference Championship speak for themselves.

In those days, quarterbacks did not have radio connections with upstairs coaching boxes. Mr. Starr called the plays himself and ran Coach Lombardi's offense.

Also, I'd argue the single most important game in NFL History -- at least based on my viewing at the Pro Football Hall of Fame -- is the Ice Bowl. Joe Namath, in no small measure, is in Canton to preserve the memory of Super Bowl III. Mr. Starr's enshrinement preserves the Ice Bowl for all time. His leadership in that game was the difference. In the last five minutes, he and Coach Lombardi exuded a quiet confidence that carried the Packers into the Dallas end zone.

Would Mr. Starr have made it if the Packers had lost on December 31, 1967? Probably, but it might not have been a first-year induction and Mr. Starr would have been viewed differently when compared against the great quarterbacks of his time.

You are right, pro football in the 1960s was a very different game. I question whether a quarterback like Bart Starr could make it in today's game. He was an incredibly smart man, but his talents were comparatively mediocre when measured against Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers. Or, for that matter, Tom Brady. I think even he would have admitted that.

I've always said about Aaron Rodgers -- Brett Favre's skills and Bart Starr's mind.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 15, 2022, 08:30:56 AM
Jockey isn't suggesting that Starr shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 15, 2022, 09:09:57 AM
The Ice Bowl is the most important game in NFL history?  Thats an interesting take
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 15, 2022, 09:23:25 AM
The Ice Bowl is the most important game in NFL history?  Thats an interesting take

I've mostly heard that "honor" given to the 1958 NFL title game between the Colts and Giants. For example, this from The American Century:

Although it is impossible to pinpoint a single event or game as the cause of the NFL's ascendance during the second half of the 20th Century, the 1958 championship game was a marquee moment for the league. It placed the league on a national stage for the first time and exposed the pro game to millions of new fans.

On December 28th, 1958 the Baltimore Colts, champions of the NFL's Western Division, traveled north to take on the New York Giants, the victors from the Eastern Division. More than 70,000 fans filled Yankee Stadium for the back and forth affair. Afterwards it would be christened by a Sports Illustrated reporter as "The Greatest Game Ever Played."

The game marked a number of important firsts for the league. First, NBC broadcast the game across the country, the first time an NFL game reached a national broadcast. Second, After the Baltimore Colts had drove the length of the field to tie the game with seven seconds left on a field goal, the first ever overtime period in NFL football was played (regular season games simply ended with a tie score, an outcome that clearly was not satisfactory for a championship game).

In the sudden-death overtime period, Colts running back Alan Ameche scored on a one yard touchdown run to win Baltimore its first ever NFL Championship. By the time Ameche dove across the goalline, another NFL first was achieved as an estimated forty five million viewers were tuned into the battle at Yankee stadium, shattering all previous NFL TV ratings.

In addition to exposing the NFL to millions of potential new fans, the legend of the 1958 game helped propel into stardom some of the league first stars of the television era. Colts quarterback Johnny Unitas seemed a real manifestation of the American dream. The blue-collar quarterback had been cut from the Pittsburgh Steelers before determinedly playing his way onto the Colts roster and eventually into the starting role. Rivaling Unitas' starpower was the Giants' linebacker Sam Huff. Huff, another blue-collar kid who grew up in the West Virginia coalfields, helped push NFL into the mainstream with his presence on the cover of TIME magazine in 1960 and the Walter Cronkite narrated CBS documentary The Violent World of Sam Huff which was produced in the same year. The NFL was beginning to gain national legitimacy.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: dgies9156 on February 15, 2022, 09:59:13 AM
I've mostly heard that "honor" given to the 1958 NFL title game between the Colts and Giants.

Brother MU:

I probably agree with you on this score. The game was close and controversial and had everyone on the edge of their seats.

John Unitas was the all-world quarterback for the Colts and I think Y.A. Tittle was quarterback for the Giants.

On the Giants sideline were key assistants Tom Landry and Vince Lombardi. Over with the Colts was Webb Eubanks, who showed up a decade later as head coach of the New York Jets.

The reason I mentioned the Ice Bowl as the greatest ever is twofold. First, the amount of time and space spent on the game in the HOF is extraordinary. Second, the game itself reflects the spirit of the NFL, tough, talented and battle-hardened players and tough, excited fans. It embodied the philosophy of Vince Lombardi, who, in no small measure, provides the League with its identity.

Or he will until they rename his trophy the Bill Belichick Trophy.

As for Bart Starr, I recognize nobody said he didn't belong. I was merely defining why he is there. Bart Starr was my favorite NFL player growing up. In addition to leading the Packers, he was an incredibly decent human being.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 15, 2022, 11:43:36 AM
.

As for Bart Starr, I recognize nobody said he didn't belong. I was merely defining why he is there. Bart Starr was my favorite NFL player growing up. In addition to leading the Packers, he was an incredibly decent human being.

As Fluff said, I was NOT saying Starr shouldn't be in the HoF. I was merely pointing out how stats completely change over the course of time.

Starr (along with Herb Adderly) was my fave player as well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Herman Cain on February 15, 2022, 07:59:59 PM
I watched a lot of Joe Namath games . In those days the quarterbacks called their own plays  . Joe threw the deep ball often and was a very exciting player to watch. He had a very quick release on his passes.

Joe was hobbled by knee injuries, early in his pro career, during a time when surgical  techniques were not what they were today.  He could barely run to get out of the way of the rush. He also played on a very lousy Jets team in a stadium that often had heavy offshore breezes flowing through it.

Prior to his injuries', I think Joe's skill sets would have adapted well to the modern style of football. 
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: CTWarrior on February 16, 2022, 08:27:08 AM
I watched a lot of Joe Namath games . In those days the quarterbacks called their own plays  . Joe threw the deep ball often and was a very exciting player to watch. He had a very quick release on his passes.

Joe was hobbled by knee injuries, early in his pro career, during a time when surgical  techniques were not what they were today.  He could barely run to get out of the way of the rush. He also played on a very lousy Jets team in a stadium that often had heavy offshore breezes flowing through it.

Prior to his injuries', I think Joe's skill sets would have adapted well to the modern style of football.
I am a Jets fan and Joe was my guy as a kid.  But that doesn't change the fact that his stats are bad, even for the era in which he was playing.  Losing career record, way more INTs than TDs, etc.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 16, 2022, 09:59:27 AM
I am a Jets fan and Joe was my guy as a kid.  But that doesn't change the fact that his stats are bad, even for the era in which he was playing.  Losing career record, way more INTs than TDs, etc.

I never really looked heavily at Namath's stats, but sheesh, injuries or not his numbers in the 70s are ROUGH.  Also, its wild to have a QB in the HOF who, regardless of era, had only 2 out THIRTEEN seasons where he had more TDs than INTs.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: StillAWarrior on February 16, 2022, 10:08:31 AM
I never really looked heavily at Namath's stats, but sheesh, injuries or not his numbers in the 70s are ROUGH.  Also, its wild to have a QB in the HOF who, regardless of era, had only 2 out THIRTEEN seasons where he had more TDs than INTs.

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Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 16, 2022, 10:51:24 AM
Brother MU:

I probably agree with you on this score. The game was close and controversial and had everyone on the edge of their seats.

John Unitas was the all-world quarterback for the Colts and I think Y.A. Tittle was quarterback for the Giants.

On the Giants sideline were key assistants Tom Landry and Vince Lombardi. Over with the Colts was Webb Eubanks, who showed up a decade later as head coach of the New York Jets.

The reason I mentioned the Ice Bowl as the greatest ever is twofold. First, the amount of time and space spent on the game in the HOF is extraordinary. Second, the game itself reflects the spirit of the NFL, tough, talented and battle-hardened players and tough, excited fans. It embodied the philosophy of Vince Lombardi, who, in no small measure, provides the League with its identity.

Or he will until they rename his trophy the Bill Belichick Trophy.

As for Bart Starr, I recognize nobody said he didn't belong. I was merely defining why he is there. Bart Starr was my favorite NFL player growing up. In addition to leading the Packers, he was an incredibly decent human being.

Charlie Connerly was the QB on that Giant team. Y A  Tittle arrived later via a trade with the 49ers. He Quarterbacked the Giants to the title game in 1963 - which they lost at Wrigley Field to the Chicago Bears.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 16, 2022, 11:20:51 AM
I never really looked heavily at Namath's stats, but sheesh, injuries or not his numbers in the 70s are ROUGH.  Also, its wild to have a QB in the HOF who, regardless of era, had only 2 out THIRTEEN seasons where he had more TDs than INTs.

If the NFL had a Hall voting system similar to MLB, Namath would have never gotten in. For better or worse.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on February 16, 2022, 01:37:45 PM
In the most important news, Rodgers and Woodley have appeared to split. Maybe he’s not going to Denver after all.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2022, 01:55:43 PM
In the most important news, Rodgers and Woodley have appeared to split. Maybe he’s not going to Denver after all.

Just another ring he won’t get
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 16, 2022, 02:01:31 PM
In the most important news, Rodgers and Woodley have appeared to split. Maybe he’s not going to Denver after all.

On to the next beard.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 16, 2022, 05:42:08 PM
On to the next beard.

One of two things, I think if he was gay, he'd just come out and say it.

And if he's not, he should probably stop being such a starf*cker and find someone who isn't nuts like him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 16, 2022, 06:29:21 PM
One of two things, I think if he was gay, he'd just come out and say it.

And if he's not, he should probably stop being such a starf*cker and find someone who isn't nuts like him.

Umm..... he's a way bigger star than she is.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 16, 2022, 06:41:50 PM
In the most important news, Rodgers and Woodley have appeared to split. Maybe he’s not going to Denver after all.




Shockin', aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 16, 2022, 06:56:53 PM
One of two things, I think if he was gay, he'd just come out and say it.

And if he's not, he should probably stop being such a starf*cker and find someone who isn't nuts like him.

I said that mostly in jest, of course (but who knows?), but I don't think coming out would be such an easy thing to do for an NFL player, especially a star NFL player.
There's a reason it hadn't ever happened until less than a year ago, and it's not because of the lack of NFL players previously.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 16, 2022, 07:00:42 PM
On to the next beard.

how enlightened and progressive.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 16, 2022, 07:57:56 PM
One of two things, I think if he was gay, he'd just come out and say it.

And if he's not, he should probably stop being such a starf*cker and find someone who isn't nuts like him.

I just find it hilarious that his relationships all magically end on anniversaries…like a contract expiring, hmmm.  Danica was right at 2 years.  Woodley almost exactly a year
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 16, 2022, 11:42:52 PM
Not a Hall of Famer.

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/matthew-stafford-wife-video-goes-viral-nfl-world-reacts
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 17, 2022, 12:51:29 AM
Not a Hall of Famer.

https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/matthew-stafford-wife-video-goes-viral-nfl-world-reacts

A HOFer like Joe Namath would have hopped down and tried to make out with her
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 17, 2022, 06:18:31 AM
I said that mostly in jest, of course (but who knows?), but I don't think coming out would be such an easy thing to do for an NFL player, especially a star NFL player.
There's a reason it hadn't ever happened until less than a year ago, and it's not because of the lack of NFL players previously.

Hard disagree.  He'd be celebrated for coming out.  Especially because of who he is.  Would there be some homophobes that'd show their true colors?  Yep, but those folks are background noise to the way society is going.  70% of people approve of gay marriage at this point.  Being gay doesn't come along with the same societal stigma that it did even twenty years ago.

Umm..... he's a way bigger star than she is.

Okay, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 17, 2022, 07:09:46 AM
Hard disagree.  He'd be celebrated for coming out.  Especially because of who he is.  Would there be some homophobes that'd show their true colors?  Yep, but those folks are background noise to the way society is going.  70% of people approve of gay marriage at this point.  Being gay doesn't come along with the same societal stigma that it did even twenty years ago.
1 As we've seen over and over again ÷ from the WFT lawsuits to the Gruden emails to the latest Dallas Cowboys settlement- the culture within NFL teams is hardly the same as that of society in general.

2. Despite what you say, it took 7+ years after Obergfell for a player to come out. And there almost certainly are many more players who remain closeted.  Why is that if, as you aay, they would only be celebrated?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 17, 2022, 09:15:13 AM
1 As we've seen over and over again ÷ from the WFT lawsuits to the Gruden emails to the latest Dallas Cowboys settlement- the culture within NFL teams is hardly the same as that of society in general.

2. Despite what you say, it took 7+ years after Obergfell for a player to come out. And there almost certainly are many more players who remain closeted.  Why is that if, as you aay, they would only be celebrated?

Totally agree. Ive seen common estimates of the percentage of the general pop who is gay/lesbian at around 7-8%, so with 32 teams and 52 man rosters, rounding down quite conservatively thats roughly 100 active players at any time who would be gay.  And one active player has come out?  I think the amount of support could be meant equally by the bristling at something thats not viewed in line with "macho" NFL culture.

Ive never been a fan of Rodgers the individual (despite my begrudging respect for him as a QB), but Ive long said, when these convos around him come up, that Id do a complete 180 on him if it was to be true and he did come out, while still playing, cause it would be incredibly brave and be an absolute watershed moment.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 17, 2022, 09:55:27 AM
1 As we've seen over and over again ÷ from the WFT lawsuits to the Gruden emails to the latest Dallas Cowboys settlement- the culture within NFL teams is hardly the same as that of society in general.

2. Despite what you say, it took 7+ years after Obergfell for a player to come out. And there almost certainly are many more players who remain closeted.  Why is that if, as you aay, they would only be celebrated?

1. The NFL isn't society. 

2. The world has changed so much in even the last five years.

Look no further than what happened with Jason Collins in the NBA.  Lebron, Kobe, and others were behind him.  I'd imagine the same would happen in the NFL.

I'm certainly not saying that there would be uniform support for Rodgers in all circles, but society as a whole would see this as totally normal.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 17, 2022, 10:02:34 AM
1. The NFL isn't society. 

That's my point.
But again, the proof is in the pudding. We know it's a near certainty that there are gay NFL players besides Carl Nassib, and have been for the past 5+ years in which the world has changed so much. And yet none of them are openly so. Something is leading them to believe they're better off closeted, right?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 17, 2022, 10:10:29 AM
That's my point.
But again, the proof is in the pudding. We know it's a near certainty that there are gay NFL players besides Carl Nassib, and have been for the past 5+ years in which the world has changed so much. And yet none of them are openly so. Something is leading them to believe they're better off closeted, right?

People are ready when they're ready.  I'm sure many haven't even told their own families.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on February 17, 2022, 12:21:02 PM
About the serious fall of the photographer at the Rams rally, she has a gofund me page started by her peers, for her fractured spine and medical bills:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/r85ce-help-kelly-get-back-on-her-feet
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 17, 2022, 12:43:35 PM
About the serious fall of the photographer at the Rams rally, she has a gofund me page started by her peers, for her fractured spine and medical bills:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/r85ce-help-kelly-get-back-on-her-feet

Has Stafford contributed yet? ::)
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 17, 2022, 01:22:10 PM
1 As we've seen over and over again ÷ from the WFT lawsuits to the Gruden emails to the latest Dallas Cowboys settlement- the culture within NFL teams is hardly the same as that of society in general.

2. Despite what you say, it took 7+ years after Obergfell for a player to come out. And there almost certainly are many more players who remain closeted.  Why is that if, as you aay, they would only be celebrated?

Sure, there is only one out right now (which may mean there aren't many at all in NFL locker rooms) and it's been nothing but positives for him, but Michael Sam came out before the draft and was probably given opportunities he may not have gotten (excellent college player, way too small to be an NFL player) and profited more than he would have as an NFL practice squad player.

But I understand the thinking that Rodgers could receive blowback too. He already is for his vaccination status since in this country we have to take a yea or nay position on everything and everybody.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 17, 2022, 01:41:23 PM
Has Stafford contributed yet? ::)
Nope, turned his back on that, too.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 17, 2022, 01:42:16 PM
Isn't the most logical explanation for why Rodgers has so many failed relationships, with women, family members, etc., mostly due to him being a bit of a prick more than him being gay?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: hairy worthen on February 17, 2022, 01:57:01 PM
Isn't the most logical explanation for why Rodgers has so many failed relationships, with women, family members, etc., mostly due to him being a bit of a prick more than him being gay?
Bingo, that and his inflated ego.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on February 17, 2022, 02:13:00 PM
Sure, there is only one out right now (which may mean there aren't many at all in NFL locker rooms) and it's been nothing but positives for him, but Michael Sam came out before the draft and was probably given opportunities he may not have gotten (excellent college player, way too small to be an NFL player) and profited more than he would have as an NFL practice squad player.

But I understand the thinking that Rodgers could receive blowback too. He already is for his vaccination status since in this country we have to take a yea or nay position on everything and everybody.

Michael Sam was the SEC Defensive Player of the Year and an All American in a 4-3 scheme. He earned his opportunities. And, he received less opportunities than he had earned.

Seven year of crickets went by after Sam.


Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 17, 2022, 03:22:41 PM
Isn't the most logical explanation for why Rodgers has so many failed relationships, with women, family members, etc., mostly due to him being a bit of a prick more than him being gay?




What if his prick was as big as his ego, hey?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 17, 2022, 03:25:09 PM
Michael Sam was the SEC Defensive Player of the Year and an All American in a 4-3 scheme. He earned his opportunities. And, he received less opportunities than he had earned.

Seven year of crickets went by after Sam.

Charlie Ward was the Heisman winner, wasn't drafted, and never played an NFL game. Your point?

Sam was too small to be a DE, too slow be an outside LB, and disappointed greatly at the combine. Then he quit the CFL after one game.  It was a shame too, I wanted him to succeed.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 17, 2022, 03:35:02 PM
Charlie Ward was the Heisman winner, wasn't drafted, and never played an NFL game. Your point?

Sam was too small to be a DE, too slow be an outside LB, and disappointed greatly at the combine. Then he quit the CFL after one game.  It was a shame too, I wanted him to succeed.

Charlie Ward wasn't drafted because he refused to commit to the NFL during the pre-draft process. Teams weren't going to risk a draft pick on a middling prospect knowing that he might bail if a better offer from the NBA comes along (which it did two months later, when the Knicks drafted him in the first round).
Does anyone think Ward would have turned down the guaranteed 5-year contract he got from the Knicks and stuck with football as a 5th/6th round pick on a non-guaranteed deal?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 17, 2022, 03:35:45 PM
Isn't the most logical explanation for why Rodgers has so many failed relationships, with women, family members, etc., mostly due to him being a bit of a prick more than him being gay?

Could be, could be both.  Its all just speculation.  And FWIW, a lot of the rumors about his sexuality started well before his reputation and penchant for being a prick was widely known (shrug)

Michael Sam was the SEC Defensive Player of the Year and an All American in a 4-3 scheme. He earned his opportunities. And, he received less opportunities than he had earned.

Seven year of crickets went by after Sam.


He was a supremely accomplished college player...but then again so were Tim Tebow and Jeremy Cash, both had limited to no NFL success.  The latter was ACC DPOY and consensus AA who wasn't even drafted.

Sam was talked about as a 3rd-4th round pick before he ever came out, then he had a terrible combine.  He was projected as too small to be an NFL DE and was not fast enough to be an effective OL.  Dee Ford, another converted DE to OLB that year, ran almost a half second faster in the 40 and had a 10 in higher vertical and 12 more reps in the bench.

He was drafted.  He spent time on 2 different rosters.  The NFL is a different animal than college, completely.  I'm not saying the NFL is a beautiful accepting utopia, but there were very marked pure football reasons he didn't get tons of NFL shine.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: shoothoops on February 17, 2022, 03:42:47 PM
Charlie Ward was the Heisman winner, wasn't drafted, and never played an NFL game. Your point?

Sam was too small to be a DE, too slow be an outside LB, and disappointed greatly at the combine. Then he quit the CFL after one game.  It was a shame too, I wanted him to succeed.

Charlie Ward played 12 years in the NBA. He was expected to be a 3rd round NFL draft pick as some NFL teams were uncertain of his desire to play football vs basketball. You left that part out.

Michael Sam was a projected 3rd, 4th round pick that was drafted in the 7th round.

My point was and is Sam did not receive more opportunities because he was gay. He received less because of it. He was widely supported by his teammates, coaches, university despite all of the national Westboro Baptist Church esque discrimination that he endured.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 17, 2022, 04:25:15 PM
@AdamSchefter
Rams’ QB Matthew and Kelly Stafford announced they will be covering the medical expenses for Kelly Smiley, who fell off a stage during Wednesday’s Super Bowl parade and fractured her spine: “We have been in communication with Kelly Smiley ... and we are sorry for what happened.”
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on February 17, 2022, 04:40:02 PM
About the serious fall of the photographer at the Rams rally, she has a gofund me page started by her peers, for her fractured spine and medical bills:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/r85ce-help-kelly-get-back-on-her-feet

Universal healthcare badly needed in this country
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: JWags85 on February 17, 2022, 04:41:02 PM
@AdamSchefter
Rams’ QB Matthew and Kelly Stafford announced they will be covering the medical expenses for Kelly Smiley, who fell off a stage during Wednesday’s Super Bowl parade and fractured her spine: “We have been in communication with Kelly Smiley ... and we are sorry for what happened.”

Good on them and not entirely surprising.  The mini video clip wasn't great, but we've all had a "oh sh**" yikes moment when someone eats it nearby, especially when not totally sober as I'm sure Stafford was not.  Obviously he didn't know she was severely injured at the time.  But the Staffords have a pretty long track record of charitable deeds, especially driven by Kelly, so this makes sense.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 17, 2022, 05:02:27 PM
Universal healthcare badly needed in this country

Indeed
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 17, 2022, 05:28:31 PM
It would have been out of character for them to not do something like this.  There are reasons beyond football that Detroit was rooting for him.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 17, 2022, 05:49:54 PM
Good to hear.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 18, 2022, 06:00:53 AM
Universal healthcare badly needed in this country



Yeah, cuz dats werked sew well inn udder kountries, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 18, 2022, 06:22:35 AM
Yeah, cuz dats werked sew well inn udder kountries, aina?


Actually it has.

https://www.crossfirekm.org/articles/health-and-wealth-part-ii-the-american-and-german-healthcare-systems-compared#:~:text=In%20the%20US%2C%20healthcare%20is,per%20capita%20for%20our%20healthcare.&text=Average%20out%20of%20pocket%20spending,is%20through%20the%20sickness%20funds.

"Of 17 high-income countries studied by the National Institutes of Health, the United States in 2013 had the highest or near-highest prevalence of a multitude of negative indicators, including but not limited to: obesity, infant mortality, heart and lung disease, STIs, adolescent pregnancies, and injuries.

A 2017 survey of the healthcare systems found the US healthcare system to be the most expensive and worst-performing in terms of health access, efficiency, and equity among developed countries. All this despite the fact that we spend about $10,207 per person on healthcare annually. "
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 18, 2022, 06:25:00 AM


Yeah, cuz dats werked sew well inn udder kountries, aina?

I can't tell if you're joking but this take is astronomically stupid if you're not.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: jesmu84 on February 18, 2022, 07:35:52 AM
Color me unsurprised
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 18, 2022, 07:44:11 AM
I can't tell if you're joking but this take is astronomically stupid if you're not.




This isn't hard and there's a simple answer. If you don't like the systems and policies in place in this country, then move the fook somewhere else where you'll be happier. Certainly, the UK, Canada, Argentina, Spain, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and others would welcome accomplished transport operators, PAs, school administrators, retired underwear salesmen, and VPs, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: cheebs09 on February 18, 2022, 07:45:00 AM
Packers hiring Clements for QB coach. I have to think they are reasonably confident Rodgers is coming back.

Are there a lot of 68 year old position coaches?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 07:45:26 AM
Packers hiring Clements for QB coach. I have to think they are reasonably confident Rodgers is coming back.

Are there a lot of 68 year old position coaches?

Packers aren’t a serious organization
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 18, 2022, 08:03:07 AM
Are there a lot of 68 year old position coaches?

Maybe not a lot, but definitely some really good ones.

Rod Marinelli, possibly the GOAT of D-line coaches, just retired at 72.
Bill Callahan, arguably the best O-line coach in the game, is 65.
Dante Scarnecchia, who was Callahan's main competition as best O-line coach, retired last year at 72.
Alex Gibbs, probably the best O-line coach ever, coached until he was 70.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 18, 2022, 08:14:32 AM



This isn't hard and there's a simple answer. If you don't like the systems and policies in place in this country, then move the fook somewhere else where you'll be happier. Certainly, the UK, Canada, Argentina, Spain, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and others would welcome accomplished transport operators, PAs, school administrators, retired underwear salesmen, and VPs, aina?

Nah. I love this country so much that I want to make it better!  It has so much potential but is falling short.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: withoutbias on February 18, 2022, 08:21:46 AM



This isn't hard and there's a simple answer. If you don't like the systems and policies in place in this country, then move the fook somewhere else where you'll be happier. Certainly, the UK, Canada, Argentina, Spain, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and others would welcome accomplished transport operators, PAs, school administrators, retired underwear salesmen, and VPs, aina?

Sez dah guy hoo sitz on da police skanner all dey two skare people phrom going two kampus bekauz gunz, hay?

But also, sekond ammendment.  If you kan't support dat, den get out!
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Pakuni on February 18, 2022, 08:27:57 AM

This isn't hard and there's a simple answer. If you don't like the systems and policies in place in this country, then move the fook somewhere else where you'll be happier.

Said King George to the Continental Congress.
Said John Calhoun to the abolitionists
Said Bull Connor and Ross Barnett to the Civil Rights marchers.
Fine company you keep, doc.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 18, 2022, 08:40:00 AM
This isn't hard and there's a simple answer. If you don't like the systems and policies in place in this country, then move the fook somewhere else where you'll be happier.

Glad you've 100% bought into the systems and policies put in place by the Biden administration. It took a little while for you to stop worshiping his predecessor, but it's nice you've come around.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 18, 2022, 09:09:36 AM
FD has da Bidas Touch. Everythin' he puts his mitts on turns ta 💩, aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 18, 2022, 09:14:22 AM
FD has da Bidas Touch. Everythin' he puts his mitts on turns ta 💩, aina?

Politics
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 18, 2022, 09:36:49 AM



This isn't hard and there's a simple answer. If you don't like the systems and policies in place in this country, then move the fook somewhere else where you'll be happier. Certainly, the UK, Canada, Argentina, Spain, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and others would welcome accomplished transport operators, PAs, school administrators, retired underwear salesmen, and VPs, aina?
"Oh, you totally destroyed my argument with facts? Well love it or leave it, commie loser!"

What a Buffon
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: lawdog77 on February 18, 2022, 09:58:07 AM

Actually it has.

https://www.crossfirekm.org/articles/health-and-wealth-part-ii-the-american-and-german-healthcare-systems-compared#:~:text=In%20the%20US%2C%20healthcare%20is,per%20capita%20for%20our%20healthcare.&text=Average%20out%20of%20pocket%20spending,is%20through%20the%20sickness%20funds.

"Of 17 high-income countries studied by the National Institutes of Health, the United States in 2013 had the highest or near-highest prevalence of a multitude of negative indicators, including but not limited to: obesity, infant mortality, heart and lung disease, STIs, adolescent pregnancies, and injuries.

A 2017 survey of the healthcare systems found the US healthcare system to be the most expensive and worst-performing in terms of health access, efficiency, and equity among developed countries. All this despite the fact that we spend about $10,207 per person on healthcare annually. "
I am still dumfounded that our infant mortality is so high. I don't get that one. The other's I get (bad diet, smoking, playing hide the salami, and stupidity play a big factor in those). Medicaid and CHIP programs pretty much should cover everyone, and there is a boatload of prenatal courses, preventative care offered. Those over income should be able to get on a ACA policy with little or no premium.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on February 18, 2022, 10:16:43 AM
I am still dumfounded that our infant mortality is so high. I don't get that one. The other's I get (bad diet, smoking, playing hide the salami, and stupidity play a big factor in those). Medicaid and CHIP programs pretty much should cover everyone, and there is a boatload of prenatal courses, preventative care offered. Those over income should be able to get on a ACA policy with little or no premium.

Well you can’t just isolate infants from the rest of health care. When you have a significant portion of the population that doesn’t have good access to health care they aren’t going to seek it out for their children either.

I think a more generous family leave policy would be helpful. There are also home health visits for newborns in other countries as well.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 18, 2022, 10:55:09 AM
Time to start the 2022-2023 NFL Season thread
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: Jockey on February 18, 2022, 11:40:21 AM



This isn't hard and there's a simple answer. If you don't like the systems and policies in place in this country, then move the fook somewhere else where you'll be happier. Certainly, the UK, Canada, Argentina, Spain, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, and others would welcome accomplished transport operators, PAs, school administrators, retired underwear salesmen, and VPs, aina?

Maybe I'll move to Moscow so we can hang out together.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: MU82 on February 18, 2022, 12:46:46 PM
FD has da Bidas Touch. Everythin' he puts his mitts on turns ta 💩, aina?

If you don't like the systems and policies in place in this country, then move the fook somewhere else where you'll be happier.

Hey.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 18, 2022, 01:12:49 PM
Nads, knot bad. Butt ya kneed a question mark after da "Hey," aina?
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 18, 2022, 03:03:03 PM
They need dentists in Russia.
Title: Re: 2021-2022 NFL Season
Post by: tower912 on February 18, 2022, 04:56:10 PM
Photographer has a history.   The plot thickens.