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Jockey

Quote from: MUBurrow on January 10, 2022, 10:57:59 AM
Aaron Rodgers is making the next Dolphins head coaching pick.  (teal... i think?)

You better say 'teal'. He's actually picking the next Denver coach.

jesmu84

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on January 10, 2022, 10:31:37 AM

The have to get the organization right first.  This is why teams should make these moves before the end of the year.  And maybe they did in their minds and kept it quiet, but this is the Bears so I doubt it.

This is why I have been saying that their is no pride in letter a coach fill out the season.  They should have gotten both out in December and started interviews with GM candidates.  Now they are under the gun and doing it quickly.

The org is terrible. They'll drag out this decision and make the final choice on some antiquated rationale like a mock press conference.

Or, possibly, they won't do any due diligence at all and rely on a "consultant" from their good ole boys club to suggest someone.

Pakuni

#3477
Quote from: Jockey on January 10, 2022, 10:59:32 AM
His job is to snap the ball. It was an end of game situation. A time out was always going to be called if they were going to kick. There is no need for the long snapper to be in on the coaching decision.

I have no idea what the Raiders strategy there was or whether it changed because of the time out, but it's not at all outlandish for the specialists (i.e. snapper, holder, kicker) in that situation to be made aware of the intentions during a time out. Especially when the head coach is also the special teams coach.
What is outlandish is to think they'd have been kept out of the loop.
Regardless, the HC said he was thinking about playing for the tie until the Chargers timeout. He may have gone for the win with or without the timeout, but it was clear he was weighing the tie option.

cheebs09

This is a good article. Contrary to my earlier thought, it seems the last run was the one the Raiders HC was talking about.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33032641/raiders-win-make-nfl-playoffs-did-chargers-blow-teams-played-tie-wild-ending-explained

Pakuni

Dave Gettleman retiring as Giants GM.
One would think this also spells the end for Joe Judge.

Jockey

Quote from: Pakuni on January 10, 2022, 11:15:17 AM
I have no idea what the Raiders strategy there was or whether it changed because of the time out, but it's not at all outlandish for the specialists (i.e. snapper, holder, kicker) in that situation to be made aware of the intentions during a time out. Especially when the head coach is also the special teams coach.
What is outlandish is to think they'd have been kept out of the loop.
Regardless, the HC said he was thinking about playing for the tie until the Chargers timeout. He may have gone for the win with or without the timeout, but it was clear he was weighing the tie option.

Then we agree. I was talking about him being in on the strategy before the TO was taken. Being in the shotgun meant they weren't taking a knee. The TO didn't change anything. They were going to run the ball and if they got enough yards (they did), then they would kick.

Jockey

Quote from: Pakuni on January 10, 2022, 11:43:41 AM
Dave Gettleman retiring as Giants GM.
One would think this also spells the end for Joe Judge.

Do you think he 'retired'? Or was he given that option to save face?

Jockey

Staley's postgame news conference made his intentions clear. The Chargers called timeout because they wanted to get their best run defenders on the field to stop the run they knew was coming.



Because of the clock and the down situation, the Raiders were only going to run one play. Period. Only once they got the big run, then the FG came into play.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: cheebs09 on January 10, 2022, 11:26:35 AM
This is a good article. Contrary to my earlier thought, it seems the last run was the one the Raiders HC was talking about.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33032641/raiders-win-make-nfl-playoffs-did-chargers-blow-teams-played-tie-wild-ending-explained

brilliant stuff indeed. But conspiracy theories are more fun so people are going to run that for years.

You know, because the Raiders really wanted to play at KC and apparently no idea that's what would happen if they took a knee out of the shotgun...until the time out.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Dish

This George McCaskey press conference is so Bears. He should never be allowed to speak. This is the core problem, the family has no idea what they are doing. They're fans who are from the lucky sperm club.

It's sooooo bad.

jesmu84

#3485
Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2022, 01:30:02 PM
This George McCaskey press conference is so Bears. He should never be allowed to speak. This is the core problem, the family has no idea what they are doing. They're fans who are from the lucky sperm club.

It's sooooo bad.

https://twitter.com/sean_hammond/status/1480622287917404165?t=N-Ldsnl_HMGiUn8tsy4LYQ&s=19

Also this:

https://twitter.com/AaronLemingNFL/status/1480620829666861064?t=OQcabcJAnE34HSAUJSR50w&s=19

CreightonWarrior

Za'Darius Smith could be back for the playoffs.

jesmu84

Leslie Frazier?

When was the last time a HC was fired for poor performance and then succeeded in another HC role?

tower912

Bill Belichick comes to mind.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Dish

In case you were wondering, Bill Polian wrote a book.

MDMU04

Quote from: DegenerateDish on January 10, 2022, 01:30:02 PM
This George McCaskey press conference is so Bears. He should never be allowed to speak. This is the core problem, the family has no idea what they are doing. They're fans who are from the lucky sperm club.

It's sooooo bad.

As a lifelong Bears fan, I just want to go on record saying how much I hate the Bears.
"They call me eccentric. They used to call me nuts. I haven't changed." - Al McGuire

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MDMU04 on January 10, 2022, 01:43:04 PM
As a lifelong Bears fan, I just want to go on record saying how much I hate the Bears.

If Leslie Frazier gets the job, I'll actually pity Bears fans
Guster is for Lovers

ChitownSpaceForRent

Fucking Polian, McCaskey, and Phillips.

Welp, can't wait to revisit this topic in another three years.

MDMU04

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 10, 2022, 01:43:53 PM
If Leslie Frazier gets the job, I'll actually pity Bears fans

Lovie Smith would be a better hire.  I don't know if I'm kidding or not.
"They call me eccentric. They used to call me nuts. I haven't changed." - Al McGuire

jesmu84

https://twitter.com/jacobinfante24/status/1480625099745239047?t=Dlf4JW_kftChtyuiq5uoRQ&s=19

Bill polian leading the bears search!!

This ownership sucks.

This same situation will present in 5/6 years.

They're searching for GM and coach at same time. Makes sense.

ChitownSpaceForRent

It's kinda mean to say, but the truth is the Bears will not change until Virginia McCaskey is dead.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MDMU04 on January 10, 2022, 01:46:42 PM
Lovie Smith would be a better hire.  I don't know if I'm kidding or not.

Get the GM first and let him hire the coach.  Don't rush to make a bad hire in fear of losing someone.

The Vikings hired Brad Childress in 2006 before he could interview with GB in fear he'd take the Packers job
Guster is for Lovers

GB Warrior

I'm devastated to lose Nagy/Pace + Zimmer/Spielman. Packers should be on the phone with Zimmer immediately as a defensive assistant.

JWags85

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 10, 2022, 01:50:46 PM
It's kinda mean to say, but the truth is the Bears will not change until Virginia McCaskey is dead.
Its not mean at all.  Its 100% the truth.  She won't dispose of Simple George or Ted Phillips, so nothing will change short of them getting really lucky with a GM hire.

Ive always gotten the impression that the McCaskeys as a whole are not very intelligent.  Not like "oh you idiots" when you dont agree with them.  Not "smart guys just over their head" when you see people from other professions or business paths struggle in professional sports.  But rather, not just lucky sperm, but fairly low IQ as well...Virginia included

jesmu84

So, bears ownership admitting they don't know a thing when it comes to running a franchise. So they hire other old washed up "football guys" as consultants to suggest coach/GM hires. Then ownership can point the finger when it doesn't work out. Rinse and repeat every 5-8 years.

Pathetic.

Polian thought Lamar Jackson would be better as a WR. Also thought Chad Kelley was the best QB in the 2017 class.

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