2021-2022 NFL Season

[pbiflyer]

The team has little talent.  Miami was punching above their weight.

Yet they are keeping the personnel director and head of football operations Grier. 

Ross is a disaster of an owner.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Yet they are keeping the personnel director and head of football operations Grier. 

Ross is a disaster of an owner.

Exactly.  They have squandered all of the draft capital that they had built up, and are blaming the coach instead of those who were doing the drafting.

[MU82]

Yes.
If they tied, they were the 7 seed playing at KC.
By winning, they became the 5 seed playing at Cincy.
So, there was incentive to win.

Good point. Most teams would rather play at Cinci than at KC.

And yet it does seem they were willing to settle for the tie, and having to play at KC, because they likely would have taken a knee had that run not produced a first down.

Such an interesting situation last night, so much to think about. Not easy being a coach!

[Pakuni]

Good point. Most teams would rather play at Cinci than at KC.

And yet it does seem they were willing to settle for the tie, and having to play at KC, because they likely would have taken a knee had that run not produced a first down.

Such an interesting situation last night, so much to think about. Not easy being a coach!

Raiders were outscored 89-13 in their two losses to the Chiefs, so you can understand why they'd want to avoid a third game with them.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Good point. Most teams would rather play at Cinci than at KC.

And yet it does seem they were willing to settle for the tie, and having to play at KC, because they likely would have taken a knee had that run not produced a first down.

Such an interesting situation last night, so much to think about. Not easy being a coach!

The Raiders didn't look like they were going to take a knee at any point.  As I mentioned, on the third and four where the Chargers took the TO, the Raiders came out in shotgun.  Who takes a knee out of shotgun?  They took the TO to set up their defense.  The defense then failed. 

The reason the Chargers lost was due to not executing correctly.  Not taking the timeout.  Had they stopped the Raiders for no gain, my guess is that no kick is even attempted.

[Pakuni]

The Raiders didn't look like they were going to take a knee at any point.  As I mentioned, on the third and four where the Chargers took the TO, the Raiders came out in shotgun.  Who takes a knee out of shotgun?  They took the TO to set up their defense.  The defense then failed. 

The reason the Chargers lost was due to not executing correctly.  Not taking the timeout.  Had they stopped the Raiders for no gain, my guess is that no kick is even attempted.

I'm not a lip reader, but a lot of people seem to think this is the Raiders long snapper telling Austin Ekeler they were going to take a knee before the timeout. They played at the same high school, so there's a relationship there.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/was_austin_ekeler_told_by_trent_sieg_that_raiders_were_playing_for_tie/s1_127_36943358

[MU82]

The Raiders didn't look like they were going to take a knee at any point.  As I mentioned, on the third and four where the Chargers took the TO, the Raiders came out in shotgun.  Who takes a knee out of shotgun?  They took the TO to set up their defense.  The defense then failed. 

The reason the Chargers lost was due to not executing correctly.  Not taking the timeout.  Had they stopped the Raiders for no gain, my guess is that no kick is even attempted.

I'm talking about that if the Chargers had stopped that run, the Raiders then would have taken a knee.

Agree that there were a zillion reasons the Chargers lost.

What's interesting is that their coach seems like a bigly gambler ... yet needing only 2 yards to clinch a playoff spot, he opted to play it safe and rely on a coin flip.

As I said, such an interesting game with all those scenarios. I've never seen anything quite like it.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Well I have no idea what is being said there.  But if they are going to take a knee, why not just take a knee like normal?  Why line up in shotgun?  It logically doesn't make a lot of sense.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I'm talking about that if the Chargers had stopped that run, the Raiders then would have taken a knee.

It would have been fourth down.  They wouldn't have taken a knee.  They would have just let the clock run out.

[DegenerateDish]

Well I have no idea what is being said there.  But if they are going to take a knee, why not just take a knee like normal?  Why line up in shotgun?  It logically doesn't make a lot of sense.

You’re not wrong, but this is pretty telling.

https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/1480431316579454980?s=21

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Flores to Chicago would be wonderful

[jesmu84]

https://twitter.com/Johnathan_Wood1/status/1480570304648945665?t=nA7PINYUDqKOPtcbEs4_SQ&s=19

[cheebs09]

You’re not wrong, but this is pretty telling.

https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/1480431316579454980?s=21

I think it depends on the big run he’s talking about. I think he’s talking about the 7 yarder that got them to the Chargers 39 after the Chargers didn’t call a timeout on the one yard loss. Instead of taking a knee there, they lined up in shotgun and the Chargers called a timeout.

So to me, it seems like if the Chargers stopped the second to last run and let the clock run, they may have taken a knee. However, once they got into a long field goal, they lined up in shotgun and were planning on a field goal regardless.

I take his answer to mean the timeout didn’t change their course. It was the play before that kept them from running out the clock. Granted, that doesn’t match Carr’s comment about it changing their mentality.

[MU82]

It would have been fourth down.  They wouldn't have taken a knee.  They would have just let the clock run out.

Sure. Essentially the same thing.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Flores to Chicago would be wonderful

The have to get the organization right first.  This is why teams should make these moves before the end of the year.  And maybe they did in their minds and kept it quiet, but this is the Bears so I doubt it.

This is why I have been saying that their is no pride in letter a coach fill out the season.  They should have gotten both out in December and started interviews with GM candidates.  Now they are under the gun and doing it quickly.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Sure. Essentially the same thing.

It isn't.  If you take a knee on fourth down, the clock stops on the change of possession. 

[Jockey]

The team has little talent.  Miami was punching above their weight.

Agreed. I think the problem is the front office a lot more than the head  coach.

[Jockey]

I'm not a lip reader, but a lot of people seem to think this is the Raiders long snapper telling Austin Ekeler they were going to take a knee before the timeout. They played at the same high school, so there's a relationship there.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/was_austin_ekeler_told_by_trent_sieg_that_raiders_were_playing_for_tie/s1_127_36943358

I'm sure he HC discussed his strategy with the long snapper.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

On Flores, is it possible that ownership is planning on bringing in Deshaun Watson and Flores was committed to Tua? Flores should be picked up by one of the several openings out there

[Dr. Blackheart]

Stunner: Flores OUT in Miami

Let's see if Ross goes to his Michigan pipeline.

[Pakuni]

I'm sure he HC discussed his strategy with the long snapper.

Because if you were planning to kick a field goal all along, the long snapper would be the last person to know. 

[Uncle Rico]

Let's see if Ross goes to his Michigan pipeline.

Ross already came out and said he’s not hiring Harbaugh.

Flores was the reason Watson wanted to play for Miami, so it stands to reason that window might have shut

[MUBurrow]

Let's see if Ross goes to his Michigan pipeline.

Ross fired Flores knowing he would get hired by the Bears to keep Harbaugh at Michigan. 

If I had faith in the organization that they had a home run hire lined up that would be one thing.  But I'm sure that's not the case so the odds that they end up with someone better than Flores is < 50%.  I do like what Grier has done so I'm glad he's staying.  But this seems like disruption for the sake of disruption which is the exact opposite of what the org needs.  They don't need a shakeup, they need some consistency.

[MUBurrow]

Flores was the reason Watson wanted to play for Miami, so it stands to reason that window might have shut

Aaron Rodgers is making the next Dolphins head coaching pick.  (teal... i think?)

[Jockey]

Because if you were planning to kick a field goal all along, the long snapper would be the last person to know. 

His job is to snap the ball. It was an end of game situation. A time out was always going to be called if they were going to kick. There is no need for the long snapper to be in on the coaching decision.