2021-2022 NFL Season

[Jockey]

Mac Jones is working with Josh McDaniels.  Jones probably got better coaching at Alabama as well.  Some NFL people aren’t overly impressed with some of the coaching that occurs in Columbus.  Fields definitely has issues but he’s in an impossible spot imo.

You may be right. How could Fields look bad when surrounded by elite players at RB, WR, and the offensive line?

There is a long, long history of tOSU QBs taken in the 1st 4 rounds. Hard to find a good one in the NFL. Mike Tomczak may have been the "best" if that is the proper word here.

[Pakuni]

There is a long, long history of tOSU QBs taken in the 1st 4 rounds. Hard to find a good one in the NFL. Mike Tomczak may have been the "best" if that is the proper word here.

Craig Krenzel slander!

[MU82]

Anyhow, Jones put up passer ratings of 119 and 101 against Dallas and Tampa, respectively.

He definitely has promise. If he continues along these lines, I'll definitely regret passing on him.

[4everwarriors]

Adams wit da chit, hey?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Testing vaccinated, asymptomatic players is dumb.

[Pakuni]

Testing vaccinated, asymptomatic players is dumb.

Vaccinated, asymptomatic players can still spread the virus.

[dgies9156]

You may be right. How could Fields look bad when surrounded by elite players at RB, WR, and the offensive line?

There is a long, long history of tOSU QBs taken in the 1st 4 rounds. Hard to find a good one in the NFL. Mike Tomczak may have been the "best" if that is the proper word here.

They once said the same thing about Michigan -- until Tom Brady came along.

[4everwarriors]

Monoclonal antibodies and other therapeutics are the answer for symptomatic patients. Still contend covid is here to stay. Learn to live with that, hey?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Vaccinated, asymptomatic players can still spread the virus.

Eh, if they are symptomatic yes (although for a shorter amount of time.)  Asymptomatic?  Not settled.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html

"CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus."


And regardless, hardly any workplaces are regularly testing asymptomatic, vaccinated people.  Most schools aren't either.  And within a population that is mostly vaccinated, disease is rarely occurring.

BTW, this isn't about Adams, I have been saying that routinely testing vaccinated people makes no sense for awhile.  It is a misallocation of resources.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Monoclonal antibodies and other therapeutics are the answer for symptomatic patients. Still contend covid is here to stay. Learn to live with that, hey?

Vaccines with boosters are the most important.  Just like the flu.

[Pakuni]

Eh, if they are symptomatic yes (although for a shorter amount of time.)  Asymptomatic?  Not settled.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html

"CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus."


And regardless, hardly any workplaces are regularly testing asymptomatic, vaccinated people.  Most schools aren't either.  And within a population that is mostly vaccinated, disease is rarely occurring.

BTW, this isn't about Adams, I have been saying that routinely testing vaccinated people makes no sense for awhile.  It is a misallocation of resources.

More recent research (released Oct. 4):

A new study from the University of California, Davis, Genome Center, UC San Francisco and the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub shows no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It also found no significant difference between infected people with or without symptoms.
The findings underscore the continuing need for masking and regular testing alongside vaccination, especially in areas of high prevalence, the authors wrote.
...
When they analyzed the data, the researchers found wide variations in viral load within both vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, but not between them. There was no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated, or between asymptomatic and symptomatic groups.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people

The schools and workplaces comparison isn't really apt, since those places by and large require masking and some level of distancing, and the level of contact/interaction between people is quite a bit different than that in an NFL practice or game.
I don't have a dog in this fight one way or the other. If the league didn't test asymptomatic vaccinated players, that's fine. But NFL and NFLPA decided to be extra cautious with player safety (and, more importantly, to prevent a breakout that could impact the schedule). They decided it's better to lose a player for a week than an entire game. That doesn't seem unreasonable, based on what we know and don't know right now, much less stupid.
As for misallocation of resources, I think the NFL can afford it.

[forgetful]

Eh, if they are symptomatic yes (although for a shorter amount of time.)  Asymptomatic?  Not settled.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html

"CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit the virus."


And regardless, hardly any workplaces are regularly testing asymptomatic, vaccinated people.  Most schools aren't either.  And within a population that is mostly vaccinated, disease is rarely occurring.

BTW, this isn't about Adams, I have been saying that routinely testing vaccinated people makes no sense for awhile.  It is a misallocation of resources.

I'm glad you aren't involved in policy making. Your ideas are inconsistent with good public health policy and the science.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I'm glad you aren't involved in policy making. Your ideas are inconsistent with good public health policy and the science.

LOL.  I am involved in policy making for a college that is surveillance testing the unvaccinated and testing the vaccinated only if symptomatic.  As of this morning, we have 1 active case in a community of over 2,000, and a positivity rate of .3%.  (Our population is about 80% vaccinated.)  Our positivity rate hasn't been above .5% since the semester started.

I know for a fact that the Packers are well over 95% vaccinated as a team and employer.

They are absolutely being over-cautious about this.  As are you.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

More recent research (released Oct. 4):

A new study from the University of California, Davis, Genome Center, UC San Francisco and the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub shows no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated people who tested positive for the delta variant of SARS-CoV-2. It also found no significant difference between infected people with or without symptoms.
The findings underscore the continuing need for masking and regular testing alongside vaccination, especially in areas of high prevalence, the authors wrote.
...
When they analyzed the data, the researchers found wide variations in viral load within both vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, but not between them. There was no significant difference in viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated, or between asymptomatic and symptomatic groups.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/health/covid-19/news/viral-loads-similar-between-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people

The schools and workplaces comparison isn't really apt, since those places by and large require masking and some level of distancing, and the level of contact/interaction between people is quite a bit different than that in an NFL practice or game.
I don't have a dog in this fight one way or the other. If the league didn't test asymptomatic vaccinated players, that's fine. But NFL and NFLPA decided to be extra cautious with player safety (and, more importantly, to prevent a breakout that could impact the schedule). They decided it's better to lose a player for a week than an entire game. That doesn't seem unreasonable, based on what we know and don't know right now, much less stupid.
As for misallocation of resources, I think the NFL can afford it.

Right from the study you posted:

"This study did not directly address how easily vaccinated people can get infected with SARS-CoV-2, or how readily someone with a breakthrough infection can transmit the virus."

[Pakuni]

Right from the study you posted:

"This study did not directly address how easily vaccinated people can get infected with SARS-CoV-2, or how readily someone with a breakthrough infection can transmit the virus."

Right. We know the asymptomatic vaccinated carry the same viral load, we don't know whether they are any more or less likely to spread.
You, who has absolutely nothing to lose if there's an outbreak, say since we don't know, the NFL and its players should take their chances.
The NFL, which has a lot to lose if there's an outbreak, says since we don't know, it's not worth the risk of losing multiple players and, worst case, canceling a game.
You're free to disagree, but there's nothing unreasonable or stupid about the NFL and NFLPA decision here. I would imagine they're relying on much more knowledgeable experts than you or I in reaching these decisions.

[MU82]

As for The Great Joe Brady being a hot candidate for head-coaching jobs in the NFL and college football, I'm not even sure how good a candidate he is to keep the OC position for the Carolina Panthers.

From The Athletic:

While the Panthers pretty clearly have a problem at quarterback, there’s also some growing uneasiness in the organization with the guy calling the offensive plays.

Joe Brady was the next up-and-coming offensive coach when he arrived in Charlotte in 2020 as part of Matt Rhule’s inaugural staff, despite being one of the few assistants who’d never worked with Rhule. The 32-year-old Brady interviewed for five NFL head-coaching positions after the season, and made The Athletic’s 40 under 40 list, highlighting the league’s rising stars, each of the past two years.

Brady has been mentioned in connection with the pending vacancy at LSU, where Brady’s success with Joe Burrow during the Tigers’ national championship season prompted the Panthers to bring him on as Rhule’s offensive coordinator.

But Brady’s name came up in a much different context Monday when Rhule was asked whether he was considering removing Brady as the play caller.

“I wouldn’t say that that’s my thought right now,” he said. “But we have to get something fixed.”

It was at least the fifth time in the past 3 weeks that Rhule has either not publicly supported Brady when asked about him or outright criticized him.

Through 7 games, the Panthers' offense has scored 7 third-quarter points this season. They just scored only 3 points against a NYG defense that came in allowing 30 ppg.

Brady is not THE problem for the Panthers. There are many. But he is the guy in charge, and he is part of the problem.

[Billy Hoyle]

They once said the same thing about Michigan -- until Tom Brady came along.

Jim Harbaugh was the first Michigan QB to throw a TD pass in the NFL. But, before him, Michigan was a run first and second offense. Even after Harbaugh Bo was running out run first guys in Michael Taylor and Demitrious Brown. After Schembechler retired and Moeller and Carr opened up the offense UM started putting a number of QB's in the NFL who had much better careers than any OSU QB (Grbac, Collins, Brady, and Henne).

Urban's QB's were particularly bad in the NFL - Pryor (switched to WR), Troy Smith, Cardale Jones, JT Barrett, and Dwayne Haskins. It's hard to separate Fields from that group since it was all modern history.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Jim Harbaugh was the first Michigan QB to throw a TD pass in the NFL. But, before him, Michigan was a run first and second offense. Even after Harbaugh Bo was running out run first guys in Michael Taylor and Demitrious Brown. After Schembechler retired and Moeller and Carr opened up the offense UM started putting a number of QB's in the NFL who had much better careers than any OSU QB (Grbac, Collins, Brady, and Henne).

Urban's QB's were particularly bad in the NFL - Pryor (switched to WR), Troy Smith, Cardale Jones, JT Barrett, and Dwayne Haskins. It's hard to separate Fields from that group since it was all modern history.

Neither Pryor nor Troy Smith played for Urban Meyer.

Alex Smith is probably the best NFL QB to play for Urban.

[Billy Hoyle]

As for The Great Joe Brady being a hot candidate for head-coaching jobs in the NFL and college football, I'm not even sure how good a candidate he is to keep the OC position for the Carolina Panthers.


Don't worry, Brady will probably end up at LSU next year. Another college guy whose schemes don't translate to the NFL.

[Billy Hoyle]

Neither Pryor nor Troy Smith played for Urban Meyer.

Alex Smith is probably the best NFL QB to play for Urban.

similar styles but yeah, didn't play for Urban. But still, a long list of NFL busts from OSU.

You probably shouldn't have mentioned Alex Smith considering the approach taken to call out those who dared question Fields.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

similar styles but yeah, didn't play for Urban. But still, a long list of NFL busts from OSU.

You probably shouldn't have mentioned Alex Smith considering the approach taken to call out those who dared question Fields.

I'm not sure what you are talking about.  I called out your stating that "many analysts" called out Fields' work ethic.  That simply wasn't accurate.

[Pakuni]

Urban's QB's were particularly bad in the NFL - Pryor (switched to WR), Troy Smith, Cardale Jones, JT Barrett, and Dwayne Haskins. It's hard to separate Fields from that group since it was all modern history.

Fields never played for Urban.

Helmet scouting is silly.
How many great QBs did Clemson produce until DeShaun Watson? Was Peyton Manning doomed to be a bust because he wore the same jersey as Heath Shuler? Is Is Joe Burrow going to be bad because of JaMarcus Russell?

Whatever Fields becomes, good or bad, it won't be because of where he played in college.

[4everwarriors]

#13 wit da chit two, hey?

[tower912]

Bring back James Lofton.

[Uncle Rico]

Fields never played for Urban.

Helmet scouting is silly.
How many great QBs did Clemson produce until DeShaun Watson? Was Peyton Manning doomed to be a bust because he wore the same jersey as Heath Shuler? Is Is Joe Burrow going to be bad because of JaMarcus Russell?

Whatever Fields becomes, good or bad, it won't be because of where he played in college.

Before Aaron Rodgers, “Jeff Tedford” guys were all busts in the NFL. 

Can Joe Burrow be an Ohio State guy or does LSU get him?  Who gets Russell Wilson?