2021-2022 NFL Season

[MuggsyB]

I think he was complaining about the retaliation.

Who knows.  Bears are fortunate but two clutch throws by FIelds.

[PGsHeroes32]

Herbert is a superstar

[MuggsyB]

Herbert is a superstar

He looked really good.  Lots of power for a relatively short guy.

[JWags85]

He looked really good.  Lots of power for a relatively short guy.

TIL 6'6 is "relatively short"

[MuggsyB]

TIL 6'6 is "relatively short"

I thought he meant Hebert on the Bears. 

[Dish]

This Chiefs team isn't good.

[PGsHeroes32]

What an idiotic roughing the passer

[The Sultan]

This Chiefs team isn't good.

But this Bills team is really good right now. 

[PGsHeroes32]

Lot of season left for the Chiefs to get clicking.

But it's definitely looking likely that the playoffs will not run through Arrowhead this year.

Which will make things tougher

[Uncle Rico]

Lot of season left for the Chiefs to get clicking.

But it's definitely looking likely that the playoffs will not run through Arrowhead this year.

Which will make things tougher

The defense is bad.  Offense is still pretty good but guys are getting dinged up.  Should be able to pass Las Vegas and Denver but it's LA's division to lose

[forgetful]

This Chiefs team isn't good.

To me it highlights that essentially giving the MVP to a QB every year makes no sense. Mahomes is absurdly talented, best QB in the league, but without a stout defense and a top notch offensive line, they struggle.

The difference between an elite QB and an average QB often has more to do with the offensive line, and the WRs than the skill of the QB.

And without a defensive line that can pressure the opposing QB (along with DB's to give them time), an elite offensive team will still lose games.

[MU82]

To me it highlights that essentially giving the MVP to a QB every year makes no sense. Mahomes is absurdly talented, best QB in the league, but without a stout defense and a top notch offensive line, they struggle.

The difference between an elite QB and an average QB often has more to do with the offensive line, and the WRs than the skill of the QB.

And without a defensive line that can pressure the opposing QB (along with DB's to give them time), an elite offensive team will still lose games.

Yep. QBs have an important and difficult job, and they get the praise and criticism. But I think most of us know an elite QB when we see him.

Sam Darnold had played well this season ... until Sunday. Then he looked like the QB the Jets dumped. Misfired often, had happy feet, missed open receivers on plays that would've been huge gains (including once for TD) on consecutive plays, either of which could have broken open the game.

Having said that, his OL sucked donkey dong most of the game, and there were several drops, including one by Robby Anderson on a 3rd-and-3 play near midfield that probably clinches the win. Anderson drops it, the Panthers get a punt blocked on the very next play, and a bad Eagles team goes in to win.

Anderson, who played with Darnold in NY and largely had been very supportive, could be seen screaming on the sideline after Darnold didn't see him on a deep route. If Anderson had done his effen job, though, the mood likely would have been better for the team. And the mood would have been better in the establishment where we watched the game, too!

So yes, QBs need support ... but the Panthers win that game had Darnold played even a little better than bad.

[cheebs09]

Honesty, I think it's easier to quantify a QB's impact. A Nose Tackle can anchor the best defense, but a lot of what they do doesn't show up. A LB or DB has more opportunities with turnovers.

On the other side, a QB has his hands on the ball every play. A WR is unlikely to win MVP because all those stats are reliant on the QB. There are more committees and less focus on the run, so a RB has to put up a big season like Henry did last year to be considered.

It's not necessarily fair, but the way it goes.

[The Sultan]

The difference between an elite QB and an average QB often has more to do with the offensive line, and the WRs than the skill of the QB.

I would say that the difference between a good QB and an average QB are those things.  But elite QBs are a step beyond that.

And to cheebs point, who else do you give the MVP to?  The OL is a unit of five guys.  A receiver has huge impact, but IMO a QB makes a receiver more than vice versa.  The quarterback is the single most important player on the field.  I guess you could give MVP to a stand out defensive player, but they are going to have to be pretty darn impactful to be better than a QB.

[MU82]

Honesty, I think it's easier to quantify a QB's impact. A Nose Tackle can anchor the best defense, but a lot of what they do doesn't show up. A LB or DB has more opportunities with turnovers.

On the other side, a QB has his hands on the ball every play. A WR is unlikely to win MVP because all those stats are reliant on the QB. There are more committees and less focus on the run, so a RB has to put up a big season like Henry did last year to be considered.

It's not necessarily fair, but the way it goes.

Yep, it's like a pitcher or a goaltender.

That's why they all get the big bucks.

[Lennys Tap]

To me it highlights that essentially giving the MVP to a QB every year makes no sense. Mahomes is absurdly talented, best QB in the league, but without a stout defense and a top notch offensive line, they struggle.

The difference between an elite QB and an average QB often has more to do with the offensive line, and the WRs than the skill of the QB.

And without a defensive line that can pressure the opposing QB (along with DB's to give them time), an elite offensive team will still lose games.

Forgetful

QBs are by far the most important and valuable players on the field. Having one of the elite ones is like having an elite starting pitcher (Scherzer, deGrom, Cole, etc.) who starts EVERY game. IMHO even average NFL starters are their team's MVPs most years.

[Herman Cain]

This Chiefs team isn't good.

Forgetful

QBs are by far the most important and valuable players on the field. Having one of the elite ones is like having an elite starting pitcher (Scherzer, deGrom, Cole, etc.) who starts EVERY game. IMHO even average NFL starters are their team's MVPs most years.

I had the Chiefs penciled in as my Super Bowl favorite for this season. Primarily on the basis of Mahome's ability.

I guess I overestimated the quality of the rest of the lineup.

[Jockey]

The difference between an elite QB and an average QB often has more to do with the offensive line, and the WRs than the skill of the QB.

I strongly disagree. I do think the difference between an average QB and a very good QB may be the offensive line. Elite guys are different. That's why there are so few.

As an example, GB is 4-1. They also have the MOST inexperienced OL in the entire NFL. They have been starting 2 rookies and two 2nd year guys who never played along with a journeyman tackle. Rodgers is elite because he has elite skills - both as a player and a leader. It is not because of the offensive line.

It has affected the running game greatly. Rodgers was elite with 3 all-pro talents. He is still elite with ZERO all-pro talents.is still elite. Elite guys make plays with subpar OLs. Other QBs get beat up.

As for wide receivers? We saw what an elite QB does without an elite WR when Adams was out for 6 games the last couple years.

[MuggsyB]

Prediction:  Chucky won't last long.

[The Sultan]

Prediction:  Chucky won't last long.

Yep.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/sports/football/what-did-jon-gruden-say.html?smid=tw-nytsports&smtyp=cur

Basically the NFL is releasing these things until the Raiders fire him. 

[Pakuni]

He gone


@TomPelissero: Source: Jon Gruden just informed his staff that he plans to resign as #Raiders coach.

[MuggsyB]

He gone


@TomPelissero: Source: Jon Gruden just informed his staff that he plans to resign as #Raiders coach.

I thought 2 days tops... but wow.

[The Sultan]

This is a good point.

https://twitter.com/shalisemyoung/status/1447721649709764609?s=21

I have zero sympathy for Gruden but it says a lot about the NFL - and none of it good - that Gruden's emails are being leaked but the depth and breadth of Snyder's knowledge and involvement in the toxic WFT workplace is being protected like the nuclear codes...

[Uncle Rico]

I thought 2 days tops... but wow.

Not surprised.  The NFL would have leaked more to eventually force Las Vegas to do something.  Hunch is, this is the least offensive stuff and there is probably worse stuff but it won't get leaked now.

[Uncle Rico]

This is a good point.

https://twitter.com/shalisemyoung/status/1447721649709764609?s=21

I have zero sympathy for Gruden but it says a lot about the NFL - and none of it good - that Gruden's emails are being leaked but the depth and breadth of Snyder's knowledge and involvement in the toxic WFT workplace is being protected like the nuclear codes...

I don't understand that either.  Just speculating but my guess is, Snyder knows a lot about some other important owners.  I'd think the NFL would love to be rid of him giving the decades of failure under his watch