2021-2022 NFL Season

[Sir Lawrence]

A case for letting AR go:

https://www.golongtd.com/p/let-the-jordan-love-era-begin-in

[Jockey]

A case for letting AR go:

https://www.golongtd.com/p/let-the-jordan-love-era-begin-in

I'd put the chances of Love being a successful NFL QB at somewhere south of 25%. Im probably being too generous, though.

So yeah, let's move on.

[The Sultan]

I'd put the chances of Love being a successful NFL QB at somewhere south of 25%. Im probably being too generous, though.

So yeah, let's move on.

On one hand, you're just guessing.

On the other, when the first quote is from his personal quarterbacks coach....

[cheebs09]

I don't really see the Packers moving onto Love this year by trading Rodgers unless they are convinced he's a future Top 10 QB and is ready now.

I don't think Rodgers holds out. At his age, he's missing out on a prime chance to win a Super Bowl with the Packers.

The risk for the Packers is you call his bluff and he holds out. Can't you just trade him for a haul mid-season? Once the draft passed, you are now talking picks a year in the future. Unless there's a rookie the Packers wanted on a team that wants Rodgers.

It's not like they are going to sign a free agent with Rodgers' cap space that is freed up. Maybe it gives them more flexibility to trade for someone.

I see it pretty low risk to hold onto Rodgers if he holds out, other than the circus he would create. Maybe they just want him gone to not hinder Love with the ongoing drama.

Going to be interesting once June 1 passes.

[Hards Alumni]

A case for letting AR go:

https://www.golongtd.com/p/let-the-jordan-love-era-begin-in

Man.... I read stories like this and get all excited.

[wadesworld]

Love doesn't have to be a top 10 quarterback if you're getting 2 starting level players and 4 first round draft picks in return.  Once Bakhtiari is healthy, your o line will be among the best in the league, your backfield will be among the best in the league, you have the best wide receiver in the league, and if your first round CB is at least serviceable your defense should be very solid.

Then you have two first round picks in the next four NFL Drafts.  Build a team that can win by controlling the clock and playing defense.  If Love is a top 10 quarterback, then even better.

Rodgers will never be happy here.  He's also had chances to win Super Bowls and hasn't been able to (whether it's losing the first game in the Playoffs after a 15-1 season or being unable to put the ball in the end zone in Seattle or in Green Bay against the Bucs).

You're also playing in the NFC North.  You don't have to be one of the top teams in the NFL to win games with the teams the Packers get to play twice each year.

[The Sultan]

I mean, his trade value will never be higher....

[cheebs09]

I mean, his trade value will never be higher....

Fair. I guess I'm operating under the assumption he's bluffing sitting out the season.

Based on comments from people who know him, it doesn't sound like he will play for the Packers again, so I may just be a hopeful optimist. Listening to national pundits, not many think he will be a Packer next year.

[The Lens]

Love doesn't have to be a top 10 quarterback if you're getting 2 starting level players and 4 first round draft picks in return.  Once Bakhtiari is healthy, your o line will be among the best in the league, your backfield will be among the best in the league, you have the best wide receiver in the league, and if your first round CB is at least serviceable your defense should be very solid.

Then you have two first round picks in the next four NFL Drafts.  Build a team that can win by controlling the clock and playing defense.  If Love is a top 10 quarterback, then even better.

Rodgers will never be happy here.  He's also had chances to win Super Bowls and hasn't been able to (whether it's losing the first game in the Playoffs after a 15-1 season or being unable to put the ball in the end zone in Seattle or in Green Bay against the Bucs).

You're also playing in the NFC North.  You don't have to be one of the top teams in the NFL to win games with the teams the Packers get to play twice each year.

I agree with a lot of this but

a) I would temper your expectations on the return
b) not expect those 1st round picks to be better than 20th
c) worry about Davante and Bahktiari if Rodgers is gone - those 3 are pretty tight

[wadesworld]

I agree with a lot of this but

a) I would temper your expectations on the return
b) not expect those 1st round picks to be better than 20th
c) worry about Davante and Bahktiari if Rodgers is gone - those 3 are pretty tight

Agreed with all of that.  But Bahktiari really can't go anywhere.  He just resigned with the Packers.  He doesn't have any leverage at all.  I would expect this to be Adams's last season with the Packers, unfortunately.  I'd miss Adams more than I'd miss Rodgers.  But it is what it is.  At this point, whether Rodgers "retires" or is traded you expect Adams to be gone when he becomes a free agent, so you might as well give him a year to see if Love can surprise him.  And if not you have a lot of draft picks to try to get your replacement at wide receiver.

[Spotcheck Billy]

If they end up trading Rodgers they should consider trading Devante as well. I imagine despite being in the last year of his contract someone would make an offer and I doubt he's back for 2022-23 if Rodgers isn't here.

[MU82]

Agreed with all of that.  But Bahktiari really can't go anywhere.  He just resigned with the Packers.  He doesn't have any leverage at all.  I would expect this to be Adams's last season with the Packers, unfortunately.  I'd miss Adams more than I'd miss Rodgers.  But it is what it is.  At this point, whether Rodgers "retires" or is traded you expect Adams to be gone when he becomes a free agent, so you might as well give him a year to see if Love can surprise him.  And if not you have a lot of draft picks to try to get your replacement at wide receiver.

IIRC from years past, you were a huge Rodgers fan, right?

I get it that even big fans get tired of the drama eventually, especially when there hasn't even been a single conference title in a decade.

[wadesworld]

IIRC from years past, you were a huge Rodgers fan, right?

I get it that even big fans get tired of the drama eventually, especially when there hasn't even been a single conference title in a decade.

I like Rodgers because he's in a different stratosphere than any NFC North quarterback I've seen besides Brett Favre in my lifetime.  And the best case scenario is he comes back, the Packers make room for Julio, and they go win a Super Bowl.  But that seems unlikely, so to me you can set yourself up for another decade of football that is just about as good as the past decade has been since you last won the Super Bowl.  Otherwise you're constantly battling a disgruntled, aging quarterback and get nothing in return when he does leave town.

[BM1090]

Fair. I guess I'm operating under the assumption he's bluffing sitting out the season.

Based on comments from people who know him, it doesn't sound like he will play for the Packers again, so I may just be a hopeful optimist. Listening to national pundits, not many think he will be a Packer next year.

I don't think this is true. AJ Hawk, James Jones and TJ Lang all have said they think he will be back.

[Jockey]

On one hand, you're just guessing.

On the other, when the first quote is from his personal quarterbacks coach....

Nope. Just going by history.

Only 2 guys selected between 13-32 from 2010-2018 became quality NFL QBs. Jackson and Tannyhill. Jackson had a single, unique talent. Tannyhill took a while and had to be traded to be successful.

[The Sultan]

I don't think this is true. AJ Hawk, James Jones and TJ Lang all have said they think he will be back.

I kinda think they're saying that because Rodgers doesn't want to be seen as the bad guy if he is traded or holds out.

[Herman Cain]

Adam  Vinatieri hanging up the cleats for good

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31515894/adam-vinatieri-nfl-all-leading-scorer-retiring-24-nfl-seasons

[forgetful]

Adam  Vinatieri hanging up the cleats for good

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31515894/adam-vinatieri-nfl-all-leading-scorer-retiring-24-nfl-seasons

Isn't he like 80 now.

[MU82]

I like Rodgers because he's in a different stratosphere than any NFC North quarterback I've seen besides Brett Favre in my lifetime.  And the best case scenario is he comes back, the Packers make room for Julio, and they go win a Super Bowl.  But that seems unlikely, so to me you can set yourself up for another decade of football that is just about as good as the past decade has been since you last won the Super Bowl.  Otherwise you're constantly battling a disgruntled, aging quarterback and get nothing in return when he does leave town.

Very reasonable take. As one with no horse in this race, I hope you get the outcome you're looking for.

[MU82]

Just read that the Vikings really wanted Fields and tried to trade with the Panthers. But Minnesota refused to give up its No. 1 pick in 2022, offering only a third and fourth to trade up, and the Panthers told the Vikes to take a hike.

[Herman Cain]

Just read that the Vikings really wanted Fields and tried to trade with the Panthers. But Minnesota refused to give up its No. 1 pick in 2022, offering only a third and fourth to trade up, and the Panthers told the Vikes to take a hike.

Panthers got a starting cornerback, so they made the right decision.

[MU82]

Panthers got a starting cornerback, so they made the right decision.

I am very content with what the Panthers did. No 2022 #1, no trade.

[Herman Cain]

Teams that improved through offseason moves. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/31521616/ranking-nfl-offseason-25-biggest-position-upgrades-why-cardinals-rams-browns-others-improved

[Hards Alumni]

https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-could-reportedly-be-up-for-sale-soon-due-to-internal-strife-in-mc-caskey-family-184507138.html

[MU82]

https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-could-reportedly-be-up-for-sale-soon-due-to-internal-strife-in-mc-caskey-family-184507138.html

Let's start collecting money!

I'm in for a hundy.