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cheebs09

Quote from: Jockey on May 17, 2021, 11:37:25 AM
Gotta remember that all of those 1st rounders would be in the 25-32 range.

Yup. I think NYG would be pretty good with Rodgers. At least on offense.

That said, I'm not really entertaining trades unless Rodgers has zero intention of playing in Green Bay no matter what happens. Or Love looks like the second coming of Mahomes.

Jockey

Quote from: cheebs09 on May 17, 2021, 12:02:21 PM
Yup. I think NYG would be pretty good with Rodgers. At least on offense.

That said, I'm not really entertaining trades unless Rodgers has zero intention of playing in Green Bay no matter what happens. Or Love looks like the second coming of Mahomes.

I agree completely.

4everwarriors

Dey ain't peddlin' him ta no NFC teem. Wur he ta bee traded, and eye don't tink sew, it'll bee ta sumwear in da AFC, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

muwarrior69

Quote from: cheebs09 on May 17, 2021, 12:02:21 PM
Yup. I think NYG would be pretty good with Rodgers. At least on offense.

That said, I'm not really entertaining trades unless Rodgers has zero intention of playing in Green Bay no matter what happens. Or Love looks like the second coming of Mahomes.

As a Giants fan that has to be the worst deal ever. If I were the Giants I would trade first round drafts only for the top offensive and defensive tackles.

MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 17, 2021, 03:51:37 PM
As a Giants fan that has to be the worst deal ever. If I were the Giants I would trade first round drafts only for the top offensive and defensive tackles.

I'd say there's 0 chance the NYGs are trading for Aaron Rodgers.  Not Gettlemen's MO.

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

The Sultan

Quote from: Herman Cain on May 18, 2021, 04:56:36 PM
Speculation on adverse PR for Aaron Rodgers

https://sports.yahoo.com/has-green-bay-turned-on-aaron-rodgers-210606049.html

Just dumb. No matter what happens he will be given a standing O when his number is retired.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

The Lens

Rodgers skips first OTA. 

Should this shut up all the mouth breathing sports talk listeners / callers (aka Badger fans) who think this "whole thing" is somehow Adam Schefter's fault.
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

cheebs09

Quote from: The Lens on May 24, 2021, 12:06:05 PM
Rodgers skips first OTA. 

Should this shut up all the mouth breathing sports talk listeners / callers (aka Badger fans) who think this "whole thing" is somehow Adam Schefter's fault.

To be fair they are voluntary. I think June 8 is the first mandatory practice for the Packers. That will be most telling.

I also saw some other Packers skipped OTAs due to disagreements between the NFLPA and NFL. Rodgers has been pretty involved for the NFLPA.

The Lens

#186
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 24, 2021, 12:29:17 PM
To be fair they are voluntary. I think June 8 is the first mandatory practice for the Packers. That will be most telling.

I also saw some other Packers skipped OTAs due to disagreements between the NFLPA and NFL. Rodgers has been pretty involved for the NFLPA.

The NFLPA situation is real however the culture in Green Bay is OTA's are essentially mandatory.  The vast majority of players have bonuses built in for attendance.  The dirty little secret about the NFL is your off season is interrupted for 2 months each spring.

Also, I'll wait patiently for Aaron's pro Union comments.
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

The Lens

Rodgers goes on SportsCenter and basic at completely validates every report by the media. 

Says it has nothing to do with Love or the Draft but things going back to last year.

Also doesn't say one word about his stances / solidarity with the NFLPA's push to have guys skip. 

Can we end the charade that Schefter was making this all up and the media is responsible? 
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

jficke13

Quote from: The Lens on May 25, 2021, 12:02:36 PM
Rodgers goes on SportsCenter and basic at completely validates every report by the media. 

Says it has nothing to do with Love or the Draft but things going back to last year.

Also doesn't say one word about his stances / solidarity with the NFLPA's push to have guys skip. 

Can we end the charade that Schefter was making this all up and the media is responsible?

Did anyone seriously believe this? Or just twitter mopes?

cheebs09

Quote from: The Lens on May 25, 2021, 12:02:36 PM
Rodgers goes on SportsCenter and basic at completely validates every report by the media. 

Says it has nothing to do with Love or the Draft but things going back to last year.

Also doesn't say one word about his stances / solidarity with the NFLPA's push to have guys skip. 

Can we end the charade that Schefter was making this all up and the media is responsible?

I don't know that many educated fans bought that Schefter made it up.

Rodgers was the NFLPA rep for the last CBA, which is where my comments came from. Maybe he's not in favor of the NFLPA anymore.

I think he basically said a lot of words but didn't really say anything. He didn't demand a trade, retire, or commit to GB from what I've read. Mainly just used a passive way to call out Gutey.

I think he wants more guarantees in his contract further out. The rest of this is public negotiation.

Jockey

Quote from: cheebs09 on May 25, 2021, 12:34:21 PM

I think he wants more guarantees in his contract further out. The rest of this is public negotiation.

This is what I have said all along. Respect. And he wants that respect in the form of a new contract that guarantees he stays in GB. I certainly think he has done enough to deserve that.

jesmu84

"shut up and play"? Bold thing to tell the league MVP

Herman Cain

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

4everwarriors

Quote from: jesmu84 on May 25, 2021, 05:21:59 PM
"shut up and play"? Bold thing to tell the league MVP




Yeah, especially when he's under contract, aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

The Sultan

Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 25, 2021, 06:12:45 PM



Yeah, especially when he's under contract, aina?

He hasn't violated his contract.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass


The Lens

#196
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on May 25, 2021, 06:23:35 PM
He hasn't violated his contract.

He might have, GBP puts an inordinate amount of compensation on attending off season training.  And while you could argue he may not have violated it, rather he just didn't trigger certain clauses, he knows what he is doing and he is very intentionally upsetting the norm in Green Bay.  Attendance at Packers OTAs and Mini Camps are amongst the best in the league.  It is assumed in Green Bay that you work from April 15th to June 15th.  His absence is significant. 
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

cheebs09

Quote from: The Lens on May 26, 2021, 09:31:57 AM
He might have, GBP puts an inordinate amount of compensation on attending off season training.  And while you could argue he may not have violated it, rather he just didn't trigger certain clauses, he knows what he is doing and he is very intentionally upsetting the norm in Green Bay.  Attendance at Packers OTAs and Mini Camps are amongst the best in the league.  It is assumed in Green Bay that you work from April 15th to June 15th.  His absence is significant.

I believe that it is strictly an incentive, not a contractual obligation. Andrew Brandt mentioned in the past they put a lot of incentive money into OTAs in order to get people to come. Being Green Bay isn't the most exciting place, they always have more incentives than other teams.

Also, most of the starting WRs missed. So not the only person not there. I'm not too worried until the June 8 mandatory practices. Granted, he's got enough money to sustain the fines to prove a point.

I think he wants to stay. Just wants more security in his contracts as he's basically on a year to year deal.

The Lens

Quote from: cheebs09 on May 26, 2021, 10:06:24 AM
I believe that it is strictly an incentive, not a contractual obligation. Andrew Brandt mentioned in the past they put a lot of incentive money into OTAs in order to get people to come. Being Green Bay isn't the most exciting place, they always have more incentives than other teams.

Also, most of the starting WRs missed. So not the only person not there. I'm not too worried until the June 8 mandatory practices. Granted, he's got enough money to sustain the fines to prove a point.

I think he wants to stay. Just wants more security in his contracts as he's basically on a year to year deal.

If 12 was there this week, Tae and company would be as well.  In the past 15 years Charles Woodson was really the only significant player to miss these.  Sure guys took time off here and there (Driver did DWTS, with permission from McCarthy) but the overall culture is everyone is there. 
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

Spotcheck Billy

Quote from: cheebs09 on May 26, 2021, 10:06:24 AM
I believe that it is strictly an incentive, not a contractual obligation. Andrew Brandt mentioned in the past they put a lot of incentive money into OTAs in order to get people to come. Being Green Bay isn't the most exciting place, they always have more incentives than other teams.

Also, most of the starting WRs missed. So not the only person not there. I'm not too worried until the June 8 mandatory practices. Granted, he's got enough money to sustain the fines to prove a point.

I think he wants to stay. Just wants more security in his contracts as he's basically on a year to year deal.

Dougherty of of the MJS posits that the 3 day mini-camp would only cost Rodgers $88K on top of the $500K he's missing for OTAs. His opinion is that July 27 is the day to watch.
The fines for camp are $50,000 a day, with the fine for missing a preseason game escalating to a regular-season paycheck. In Rodgers' case, each preseason game he skips as a holdout would cost him about $860,000  and the CBA the players signed last year mandates those fines. The Packers can't rescind them as inducement to show up.

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