2021-2022 NFL Season

[DegenerateDish]

I won’t quote anyone from this thread, only because I think a lot of people have made great points and I don’t want to leave anyone out. Really good football discussion from everyone, I love it.

I’m on record as a definite “wait and see” guy on Fields. I never thought the Bears would get him, but during the past college season I found myself watching a lot of OSU games to get a better read on Fields because I kept changing my mind on his pro prospects. Maybe it’s my cynical nature as a Bears fan, I thought it was a tad too much to give up, but I agree at that point in the draft they had to do it. I remember watching specifically the IU game and thinking “ugh, that’s not good” more often than not. Small sample size in that regard though.

I want him to be good, the Bears need him to be good, I just have no idea. I think his ceiling is potentially high, but if someone said he’s going to be a bust and gave reasons why, no argument from me.

[jesmu84]

Again Rodgers was still the second quarterback taken.

So a slide down the draft is less important than which spot they are taken relative to position?

I'm just trying to understand all the nuance and factors at play.

Ultimately, it seems like most people are hung up on the fact that Nagy (moron that he seems) called Fields a generational talent. And the fact that it's the Bears.

Otherwise seems like a disingenuous argument.

[Lennys Tap]

Similar to what I said about Bradshaw - how will he respond when the best players on the field aren't all on his team?

Jockey

Fields was 22-28 for 385 yards and 6TDs vs Clemson. He also ran for one TD. Don’t think the best players on the field were all on his team in that game.

[Pakuni]

So a slide down the draft is less important than which spot they are taken relative to position?

I'm just trying to understand all the nuance and factors at play.

Ultimately, it seems like most people are hung up on the fact that Nagy (moron that he seems) called Fields a generational talent. And the fact that it's the Bears.

Otherwise seems like a disingenuous argument.

I'm struggling to understand why you think Rodgers' slide is relevant.  The reasons and circumstances were completely different.
But if you insist on comparing QB slides, why not Brady Quinn? Or Johnny Manziel? Or Geno Smith? Or Jimmy Clausen?

I also don't understand why Bears fans are getting offended here. Nobody has said Fields was a bad pick or will be a bad player. 

[jesmu84]

I'm struggling to understand why you think Rodgers' slide is relevant.  The reasons and circumstances were completely different.
But if you insist on comparing QB slides, why not Brady Quinn? Or Johnny Manziel? Or Geno Smith? Or Jimmy Clausen?

I also don't understand why Bears fans are getting offended here. Nobody has said Fields was a bad pick or will be a bad player.

I guess I'm struggling to understand why Fields' slide is a reflection on Fields and not perhaps a reflection on teams drafting poorly (those who didn't pick him 1-10).

[Pakuni]

I guess I'm struggling to understand why Fields' slide is a reflection on Fields and not perhaps a reflection on teams drafting poorly (those who didn't pick him 1-10).

And it may very well be that those other teams are wrong. Again, nobody here has said otherwise. Just pointing out the reasons to pump the brakes a little before crowning the kid as probably the best QB in Bears history (as literally has been done on the airwaves in Chicago).

[Herman Cain]

https://nypost.com/2021/05/06/giants-spoiled-packers-nfl-draft-plan-with-aaron-rodgers-trouble-brewing/

[jesmu84]

And it may very well be that those other teams are wrong. Again, nobody here has said otherwise. Just pointing out the reasons to pump the brakes a little before crowning the kid as probably the best QB in Bears history (as literally has been done on the airwaves in Chicago).

People here have definitely said/implied the Bears are the dumb party here for drafting Fields.

Ultimately, I agree with you.

There's a large contingent of meatball Bears fans that do the same with any player/coach/etc. And Nagy saying stupid crap doesn't help the situation.

Let Fields learn/grow and see what we've got. No need to put cart before the horse.

[Jockey]

Jockey

Fields was 22-28 for 385 yards and 6TDs vs Clemson. He also ran for one TD. Don’t think the best players on the field were all on his team in that game.

Justin Fields was 12/27 for 114 yards and 0 TDs with 2 Ints. against Northwestern. I think almost all of the best players on the field were all on his team in that game.

Easy to cherry pick Lenny. 

[Jockey]

People here have definitely said/implied the Bears are the dumb party here for drafting Fields.

Ultimately, I agree with you.

There's a large contingent of meatball Bears fans that do the same with any player/coach/etc. And Nagy saying stupid crap doesn't help the situation.

Let Fields learn/grow and see what we've got. No need to put cart before the horse.

Some people know a lot, but are terrible teachers. Do you think Nagy fits that description? So far, I believe he has.

That's why I liked Carolina's move for Darnold. Getting away from Gase should be good for any QB.

[jesmu84]

Some people know a lot, but are terrible teachers. Do you think Nagy fits that description? So far, I believe he has.

That's why I liked Carolina's move for Darnold. Getting away from Gase should be good for any QB.

Thus far, Nagy hasn't shown me he's any good as a playcaller/schemer. Which was purported to be his specialty

[4everwarriors]

Justin Fields was 12/27 for 114 yards and 0 TDs with 2 Ints. against Northwestern. I think almost all of the best players on the field were all on his team in that game.

Easy to cherry pick Lenny. 

This was not your father's Wildcat team. NU was damn good, aina?

[Jockey]

Thus far, Nagy hasn't shown me he's any good as a playcaller/schemer. Which was purported to be his specialty

To follow up on what we've said - this is from an Athletic article.

NFL execs lauded the Bears’ selection of Justin Fields while doubting whether the coaching staff and organization could set up the Ohio State quarterback for success. Some who questioned the current staff also worried that a coaching change after another year or two could complicate a young quarterback’s development.

[jesmu84]

To follow up on what we've said - this is from an Athletic article.

NFL execs lauded the Bears’ selection of Justin Fields while doubting whether the coaching staff and organization could set up the Ohio State quarterback for success. Some who questioned the current staff also worried that a coaching change after another year or two could complicate a young quarterback’s development.

Yup. Pretty much the bears MO over the last couple decades

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Justin Fields was 12/27 for 114 yards and 0 TDs with 2 Ints. against Northwestern. I think almost all of the best players on the field were all on his team in that game.

Easy to cherry pick Lenny. 

Except if you watched Northwestern at all last season that had a top-5 defense in the country and their game plan was to take Justin Fields out and make someone else beat them.

There’s obviously no guarantee with Fields, but just because the school name is Northwestern doesn’t mean that defense wasn’t stacked.

[Pakuni]

Except if you watched Northwestern at all last season that had a top-5 defense in the country and their game plan was to take Justin Fields out and make someone else beat them.

There’s obviously no guarantee with Fields, but just because the school name is Northwestern doesn’t mean that defense wasn’t stacked.

NU's defense was solid last year, but ranked 22nd in the nation, not top 5.
Bo Nix, who sucks, was far better against them than Fields.

[Lennys Tap]

Justin Fields was 12/27 for 114 yards and 0 TDs with 2 Ints. against Northwestern. I think almost all of the best players on the field were all on his team in that game.

Easy to cherry pick Lenny. 

True. But I never said he didn’t play in a lot of games where all or most of the best players on the field were on his team. I just pointed out 1 very large exception to never/always statement.

What about Alabama? Will those 6 first rounders struggle? After all, they’re the one team for whom your assertion (all best players on the field were on their team) is nearly literally true.

[Herman Cain]

https://nypost.com/2021/05/08/nfl-power-rankings-where-all-32-teams-stand-after-nfl-draft/

[cheebs09]

Is Scoop being used as a source here? Also, please ignore the fact it’s a Notre Dame site. I saw this article on my Facebook. I do not read a fan site of a school that so clearly sucks.

https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Article/Chicago-Bears-seriously-considering-leaving-Soldier-Field-Arlington-Heights-Mayor-Tom-Hayes-Justin-Fields-Matt-Nagy-165147803/?fbclid=IwAR3vfvkzhSiEuaWQgdjBxkd5NJb7d3am6mxEoLG7TKDCu6KeygI3fQrlnRM

[Herman Cain]

Jags closer to signing Tebow....

https://www.denverpost.com/2021/05/10/tim-tebow-urban-meyer-jaguars/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Herman Cain]

Tampa Bay having no problem with QB hierarchy . They just signed their back up , Blaine Gabbert and drafted Kyle Trask as a long term project . Everyone getting along well .

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Tampa-Bay-Buccaneers-re-sign-Blaine-Gabbert-one-year-deal-Kyle-Trask-Tom-Brady-165239183/

[Herman Cain]

Bucs have a different approach than Packers in dealing with their QB strategic relations
https://www.masslive.com/sports/2021/05/tom-brady-played-huge-role-in-buccaneers-retaining-free-agents-because-hes-a-priceless-leader-per-gm-jason-licht.html

[Jockey]

Bucs have a different approach than Packers in dealing with their QB strategic relations
https://www.masslive.com/sports/2021/05/tom-brady-played-huge-role-in-buccaneers-retaining-free-agents-because-hes-a-priceless-leader-per-gm-jason-licht.html

Gutey has shown nothing but a lack of respect to Rodgers. I mean even the Queens called Cousins and gave him a heads up that they were gonna draft a QB in the 3rd round.

The only good thing is that if Rodgers walks, Gutey will be gone in 2 years.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Gutey has done largely just fine.  Obviously should have communicated with Rodgers better, but I have no idea why you have it out for him so much.  The team has improved with him as GM from when it bottomed out at the end of the Thompson era.

[jficke13]

Bucs have a different approach than Packers in dealing with their QB strategic relations
https://www.masslive.com/sports/2021/05/tom-brady-played-huge-role-in-buccaneers-retaining-free-agents-because-hes-a-priceless-leader-per-gm-jason-licht.html

Merits of the Pack/Gutey/12 communication mess aside, the ONLY reason we're hearing about the Vikings briefing players on potential picks, Brady talking to FAs, etc. is because of the situation in GB. It's trolling, which is fine, and if I were the Vikings and the only hope I had to win the division was to troll 12 out of the North, I'd give it a shot too. But let's not pretend that all this is something it's not.