Ability to attend games in-person next season

[Newsdreams]

Initially, yes. But beyond 2 weeks that isn't proving to be the case, according to the CDC & Johns Hopkins research.

Trust me it has been happening where I live with people vaccinated after a month. This happened & the whole police academy was on lock down. People need to keep taking precautions. They have documented over a 100 such cases here.

[WolfganghisKhan]

Trust me it has been happening where I live with people vaccinated after a month. This happened & the whole police academy was on lock down. People need to keep taking precautions. They have documented over a 100 such cases here.

"trust me"

Nah, I'm not trusting anecdotal stories.

Mostly true...74 breakthrough deaths thus far.  That's a tiny fraction of those vaccinated and an anticipated number.

So it's true then.

Open-er up 100%. No "passport" bs. Everyone who wants a vaccine then will have one and that's the last step.

[Newsdreams]

"trust me"

Nah, I'm not trusting anecdotal stories.
So it's true then.

Open-er up 100%. No "passport" bs. Everyone who wants a vaccine then will have one and that's the last step.

I can provide the evidence, can you read Spanish?

[Galway Eagle]

I really really really do not want places like the Fiserv to be turned into an airport terminal any more than they already are. I have my first shot and can't wait to get my second. I think everyone should do the same and hope people will make that choice for themselves. But I don't want to have to walk around proving it constantly.

And I don't think non-vaccinated people are putting vaccinated people in harm's way. If a vaccinated person wants to hold themselves back from any place where a non-vaccinated person might be, that's their prerogative. I disagree with a person's decision not to get vaccinated, but ultimately it doesn't matter to me if they choose not to, because I'm vaccinated. That's their problem at that point.

We need to move on once everyone who wants to be vaccinated has had the ability to get the shots for themselves. The numbers are never going to go to 0%. People need to come to terms with that and make decisions based on their own personal risk calculus from that point on.

I have a fully vaxed sister (Pfizer) that was taking D3, Zinc and Vit C, who is on oxygen battling her third week of Covid thatd likely say your opinion is wrong and that with new variants anti vaxxers are still putting vaccinated people in harms way.  if we only had to deal with the initial virus I'd be full on board with your logic.

[MUfan12]

There were always going to be breakthrough cases. This isn't news. The vaccines are meant to improve outcomes. And have done that over 99% of the time thus far.

[🏀]

I have a fully vaxed sister (Pfizer) that was taking D3, Zinc and Vit C, who is on oxygen battling her third week of Covid thatd likely say your opinion is wrong and that with new variants anti vaxxers are still putting vaccinated people in harms way.  if we only had to deal with the initial virus I'd be full on board with your logic.

No hydroxy?

[WolfganghisKhan]

There were always going to be breakthrough cases. This isn't news. The vaccines are meant to improve outcomes. And have done that over 99% of the time thus far.

Yup.

"here's my one-off story that is extremely rare or not true, thus we need to keep everything shut down" The vaccines work with great efficacy. It's not going to be 100% but it's more than good enough to continue living normal life.

[TheyWereCones]

I have a fully vaxed sister (Pfizer) that was taking D3, Zinc and Vit C, who is on oxygen battling her third week of Covid thatd likely say your opinion is wrong and that with new variants anti vaxxers are still putting vaccinated people in harms way.

So you're saying the vaccine didn't work?  There are already strains that exist that it won't prevent?  So are you all going to run to get your variant vaccine?  Do any of you even know what is in the original vaccine and how it's literally different than any other vaccine previously developed?  Any of you care to comment on the J&J recall or is that no big deal?  You know, that they'd already injected millions with a vaccine that is now considered unsafe.  I work directly with several medical professionals who will never take the vaccine.  I'm sure scoopers though have done the same amount of research.

Lots of judging going on.  Good thing I don't get my life advice from scoop.  By the way Galway, I obviously hope she recovers.  In my opinion the only choices we have are all crappy choices.

[🏀]

I work directly with several medical professionals who will never take the vaccine.

My anti-vaxxer bingo card is complete!

[GooooMarquette]

So you're saying the vaccine didn't work? 

The clinical trial numbers showed that these vaccines weren't 100% effective. All the more reason why everyone needs to get them in order to protect the community.

[TallTitan34]

So you're saying the vaccine didn't work?  There are already strains that exist that it won't prevent?  So are you all going to run to get your variant vaccine?  Do any of you even know what is in the original vaccine and how it's literally different than any other vaccine previously developed?  Any of you care to comment on the J&J recall or is that no big deal?  You know, that they'd already injected millions with a vaccine that is now considered unsafe.  I work directly with several medical professionals who will never take the vaccine.  I'm sure scoopers though have done the same amount of research.

Lots of judging going on.  Good thing I don't get my life advice from scoop.  By the way Galway, I obviously hope she recovers.  In my opinion the only choices we have are all crappy choices.

Putting the Q in Marquette.

[Dr. Blackheart]

V  A C  C  I  N  E    B  A  R

[JakeBarnes]

Putting the Q in Marquette.

The real tin-foil hat thread.

[TallTitan34]

I'm sure scoopers though have done the same amount of research.

Let's see this "research" you've done that shows you shouldn't get the vaccine.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

So you're saying the vaccine didn't work?  There are already strains that exist that it won't prevent?  So are you all going to run to get your variant vaccine?  Do any of you even know what is in the original vaccine and how it's literally different than any other vaccine previously developed?  Any of you care to comment on the J&J recall or is that no big deal?  You know, that they'd already injected millions with a vaccine that is now considered unsafe.  I work directly with several medical professionals who will never take the vaccine.  I'm sure scoopers though have done the same amount of research.

Lots of judging going on.  Good thing I don't get my life advice from scoop.  By the way Galway, I obviously hope she recovers.  In my opinion the only choices we have are all crappy choices.

If you think the J&J vaccine is “unsafe,” you should see how bad Covid is.

And the “medical professions” you work with are as ignorant as you are. Congrats.

[THRILLHO]

So you're saying the vaccine didn't work?  There are already strains that exist that it won't prevent?  So are you all going to run to get your variant vaccine?  Do any of you even know what is in the original vaccine and how it's literally different than any other vaccine previously developed?  Any of you care to comment on the J&J recall or is that no big deal?  You know, that they'd already injected millions with a vaccine that is now considered unsafe.  I work directly with several medical professionals who will never take the vaccine.  I'm sure scoopers though have done the same amount of research.

Lots of judging going on.  Good thing I don't get my life advice from scoop.  By the way Galway, I obviously hope she recovers.  In my opinion the only choices we have are all crappy choices.

You've already used two words incorrectly,  "control group" to describe a group taking the vaccine and "recall" for something that is not at all a recall. Not to gatekeep the discussion but nobody who actually becomes knowledgeable about this stuff would make such basic mistakes. Just maybe try to have a little more humility.

[TallTitan34]

My anti-vaxxer bingo card is complete!

Damn it!  All I had left was "Autism".

[copious1218]

The other thing not being mentioned in any of these responses is the ability for people unable to get the vaccine's ability to attend games.  So if a significant number of unvaccinated individuals are attending events at 100% capacity is everyone that cannot get the vaccine expected not to go if "their personal risk level" dictates as much?
 
So anyone with children under 15 years old shouldn't bring them to a game? Anyone that has other inability to obtain the vaccine cannot go?

[TallTitan34]

The other thing not being mentioned in any of these responses is the ability for people unable to get the vaccine's ability to attend games.  So if a significant number of unvaccinated individuals are attending events at 100% capacity is everyone that cannot get the vaccine expected not to go if "their personal risk level" dictates as much?
 
So anyone with children under 15 years old shouldn't bring them to a game? Anyone that has other inability to obtain the vaccine cannot go?

Will anyone have problems accessing the vaccine in 6 months?  Nearly everyone can get it now.

[WolfganghisKhan]

The other thing not being mentioned in any of these responses is the ability for people unable to get the vaccine's ability to attend games.  So if a significant number of unvaccinated individuals are attending events at 100% capacity is everyone that cannot get the vaccine expected not to go if "their personal risk level" dictates as much?
 
So anyone with children under 15 years old shouldn't bring them to a game? Anyone that has other inability to obtain the vaccine cannot go?

Correct on the first part.

Second part, it's up to each individual parent/person.

[copious1218]

Will anyone have problems accessing the vaccine in 6 months?  Nearly everyone can get it now.

Maybe inability was the incorrect word.  Unable to obtain for some medical reason.

[copious1218]

Correct on the first part.

Second part, it's up to each individual parent/person.

So kids continue to get the short end of the stick.

[Galway Eagle]

So you're saying the vaccine didn't work?  There are already strains that exist that it won't prevent?  So are you all going to run to get your variant vaccine?  Do any of you even know what is in the original vaccine and how it's literally different than any other vaccine previously developed?  Any of you care to comment on the J&J recall or is that no big deal?  You know, that they'd already injected millions with a vaccine that is now considered unsafe.  I work directly with several medical professionals who will never take the vaccine.  I'm sure scoopers though have done the same amount of research.

Lots of judging going on.  Good thing I don't get my life advice from scoop.  By the way Galway, I obviously hope she recovers.  In my opinion the only choices we have are all crappy choices.

To your first question: No way to tell, given her husband gave it to her and he just got out of the hospital I'd say it marginally made her less sick. But emphasis on marginally.

To your second: There's strains that are considerably harsher that the vaccine isn't as effective against.

To your third: Yes.

Fourth: Unbelievably small chance at clotting at a lower percentage than the death rate of Covid. If I'm playing Russian roulette with a 4/100 loaded gun vs (at this point) 6/7,000,000 non lethal bullets. I know which I use to play.

Personally if it means making a game be a little more like the TSA for a year while  people who are hesitant get comfortable or the other stands get handled better then I'm fine with it.

[WolfganghisKhan]

So kids continue to get the short end of the stick.

Kids can come. It's up to the parent

[copious1218]

Kids can come. It's up to the parent

I understand your position.