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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Warrior of Law on April 19, 2021, 01:17:24 PM
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This would be a banner summer to sell tickets for MU basketball.
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Knowing how these things go, 50% seems like our best bet. Hell, the MKE Health Dept. previously wanted test positivity rates of 1% or below for 3-4 weeks to relax masking and distancing measures. They won't be in a rush to open up sporting venues.
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I went with 25%, largely because of the B117 variant that is really hurting surrounding states like Michigan and Minnesota. If it spreads widely in Wisconsin and people don't keep getting vaccinated, it could be a difficult summer and fall. I could see more if they went with a vaccine passport, but the idea doesn't seem to be gaining much traction.
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I did 100%, but I’m a raging optimist. I will be interested with what MLB is like in June/July. Granted, those stadiums are bigger and some outdoors.
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I went with 25%, largely because of the B117 variant that is really hurting surrounding states like Michigan and Minnesota. If it spreads widely in Wisconsin and people don't keep getting vaccinated, it could be a difficult summer and fall. I could see more if they went with a vaccine passport, but the idea doesn't seem to be gaining much traction.
I'm going to be pretty livid if we're stuck at 25-50% bc some people refuse to get vaccines and then the same people b!tch and moan about vaccine passports. Get on board or get on board. I want to see Shak and Awe live with 18,000 of my closest friends while putting down copious amounts of Miller Lite and Iron Gate BBQ.
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It will be 100%
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I did 100%, but I’m a raging optimist. I will be interested with what MLB is like in June/July. Granted, those stadiums are bigger and some outdoors.
This is where I am. I have been very cautious during the epidemic, but I am hoping that life is somewhere close to normal by winter.
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I would be very disappointed if anything less than 100% by the time the season started, and I'm not some sort of COVID denier either. Everyone who wants to be vaccinated should have been vaccinated long before then, and at that point it's personal choice on both sides (vaxxed & unvaxxed) as to who wants to attend. What's the point of a cap in that scenario?
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I would be very disappointed if anything less than 100% by the time the season started, and I'm not some sort of COVID denier either. Everyone who wants to be vaccinated should have been vaccinated long before then, and at that point it's personal choice on both sides (vaxxed & unvaxxed) as to who wants to attend. What's the point of a cap in that scenario?
Right. Not only that but the economic and social pressures will be too high. Unless there is a variant that puts us back at square one, we will be at 100%.
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It will be 100%. More and more people are getting vaccinated every day, and states are beginning to open up to fans 100% right now. We will see more and more baseball stadiums seek full capacity this summer.
Much like college football last Fall, the more that commit to it, the more schools won't want to be left out.
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I've attended a Bucks game at 18% capacity, and it wasn't worth it. No atmosphere, in-game entertainment, fake crowd noise, strict mask and seating enforcement. If you stand, you are scolded. Frankly, just an expensive hassle that I won't bother doing again.
Meanwhile, attended a Brewers game at 25% capacity, and it was fine. Walked freely through the stadium, concessions available, etc.
If I'm MU, I start the negotiations at 100% and "concede" to 75% capacity, as that would meet their needs for the STHs and students.
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I've attended a Bucks game at 18% capacity, and it wasn't worth it. No atmosphere, in-game entertainment, fake crowd noise, strict mask and seating enforcement. If you stand, you are scolded. Frankly, just an expensive hassle that I won't bother doing again.
Meanwhile, attended a Brewers game at 25% capacity, and it was fine. Walked freely through the stadium, concessions available, etc.
If I'm MU, I start the negotiations at 100% and "concede" to 75% capacity, as that would meet their needs for the STHs and students.
does 75% make any sense in any scenario.? u cant space 75% out that well anyways so even from a safety standpoint its seems pointless
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If we had kept the previous regime in place, capacity limits may have been less relevant.
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I've attended a Bucks game at 18% capacity, and it wasn't worth it. No atmosphere, in-game entertainment, fake crowd noise, strict mask and seating enforcement. If you stand, you are scolded. Frankly, just an expensive hassle that I won't bother doing again.
A buddy of mine asked if I wanted to go to a game in a few weeks, and I declined for this very reason. I'll go when it resembles a normal sporting event again.
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A buddy of mine asked if I wanted to go to a game in a few weeks, and I declined for this very reason. I'll go when it resembles a normal sporting event again.
Agreed. I'll go to a Brewers game in a few weeks but won't go to a Bucks game until some sense of normalcy is restored. I've been to plenty of baseball games that had under 50% capacity so it won't feel too bizarre.
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In 2020, the virtual awards program was this past weekend. 2021, it's been radio silenced. Wainwright did well filling in for Buzz as MC when he hightailed it.
I'll try:
MVP: Garcia
Most Improved: Cain
Best Defense: Theo
6th Man: Greg
Best O: DJ
Hustle: Koby
Rookie: Garcia
Fields missed too much but his tip was Play of the Year.
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does 75% make any sense in any scenario.? u cant space 75% out that well anyways so even from a safety standpoint its seems pointless
That's why I think it's either 100% or 25%. I voted 25% because I think that'll be the CDC recommendation but I'd be surprised if it's anything but fully open.
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In 2020, the virtual awards program was this past weekend. 2021, it's been radio silenced. Wainwright did well filling in for Buzz as MC when he hightailed it.
I'll try:
MVP: Garcia
Most Improved: Cain
Best Defense: Theo
6th Man: Greg
Best O: DJ
Hustle: Koby
Rookie: Garcia
Fields missed too much but his tip was Play of the Year.
Can't believe we're losing him to the draft
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To hear Fields got credit for the tip-in may push Justin Lewis to the portal.
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Knowing how these things go, 50% seems like our best bet. Hell, the MKE Health Dept. previously wanted test positivity rates of 1% or below for 3-4 weeks to relax masking and distancing measures. They won't be in a rush to open up sporting venues.
If the test positivity rate is going to be the determining factor, someone needs to start a campaign to flood the testing centers with fully vaccinated people. I would volunteer to go every day.
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If the test positivity rate is going to be the determining factor, someone needs to start a campaign to flood the testing centers with fully vaccinated people. I would volunteer to go every day.
Umm...or just get everyone vaccinated. That might be a better plan than trying to fraudulently juice the numbers.
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I have fingers crossed for 100%. I want the FF rocking next season. That said, not very optimistic on being more than 50% at this moment.
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Umm...or just get everyone vaccinated. That might be a better plan than trying to fraudulently juice the numbers.
It's a fraudulent number to begin with. If you have no control over the sampling, you have no basis to form conclusions on the results. If the testing was done completely randomly, that would be a different story.
And how do you suggest we get everyone vaccinated? Hold the unwilling ones down while someone jabs the needle in?
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It better be close to 100%
I went to recent Bucks game ( got free tics ) and I agree with Warrior. It is pretty darn awful! I will not go back.
Nobody there. No atmosphere. Lame
“ entertainment “ ... really bad
And ... btw ... how would the MU athletic dept survive another year of ZERO income / gate revenue?
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It's a fraudulent number to begin with. If you have no control over the sampling, you have no basis to form conclusions on the results. If the testing was done completely randomly, that would be a different story.
And how do you suggest we get everyone tested? Hold the unwilling ones down while someone jabs the needle in?
I assume you mean vaccinated? Passports. You want to return to normal societal events like a sporting event, you get a vaccine & bring proof.
No different than how kids need to be vaccinated to attend school.
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I assume you mean vaccinated? Passports. You want to return to normal societal events like a sporting event, you get a vaccine & bring proof.
No different than how kids need to be vaccinated to attend school.
Yep. If people want 100% capacity, there is an easy solution. I won't hold my breath, but it's an option.
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Or you get up to 80% vaccinated and the other 20% can risk it.
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Or you get up to 80% vaccinated and the other 20% can risk it.
But they are risking it for all of us. The more transmission there is, the greater chance that a vaccine resistant variant develops.
#science
And while I would love to see 80% of the population vaccinated, I will be surprised if that happens.
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But they are risking it for all of us. The more transmission there is, the greater chance that a vaccine resistant variant develops.
#science
And while I would love to see 80% of the population vaccinated, I will be surprised if that happens.
Variants will develop. We will get boosters. Life will go on.
#reality.
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Variants will develop. We will get boosters. Life will go on.
#reality.
Yes we will get boosters, and they will be sufficient if we just have minor variants like the UK and South African variant. But if we have a significant mutation that blasts right through vaccine protection - a very real possibility- we will be back to square one.
#scienceANDreality
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Yes we will get boosters, and they will be sufficient if we just have minor variants like the UK and South African variant. But if we have a significant mutation that blasts right through vaccine protection - a very real possibility- we will be back to square one.
#scienceANDreality
Or an asteroid could strike Milwaukee...
My guess is your doom and gloom forecasting will be wrong again.
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Regardless, the vaccine essentially takes serious illness, hospitalization, and death off the table. Time to focus on normalcy. For those still reluctant, they can remain in their hidey hole until Fr. Fauci is finished writing his best seller and gives his blessings, aina?
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Or you get up to 80% vaccinated and the other 20% can risk it.
Too hard to adjucate who gets what exception. Easier to just require vaccination and make it a 100% requirement. Will some occasionally slip through? Sure. But you don't build in plans to make every game a potential 3,400 person super spreader event.
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Before the lock, in am I
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Or an asteroid could strike Milwaukee...
My guess is your doom and gloom forecasting will be wrong again.
I could very well be wrong.
But my ‘doom and gloom’ predictions have been correct at least as often as anyone’s here.
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I could very well be wrong.
But my ‘doom and gloom’ predictions have been correct at least as often as anyone’s here.
Lol. Sure.
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Too hard to adjucate who gets what exception. Easier to just require vaccination and make it a 100% requirement. Will some occasionally slip through? Sure. But you don't build in plans to make every game a potential 3,400 person super spreader event.
That’s really not how it works. Getting a good portion of people vaccinated would reduce the ability of the disease to spread considerably. Especially those more susceptible to the disease. And I’ll believe that we will have a vaccine passport program when it actually happens. Not holding my breath.
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Lol. Sure.
I’m not sure what I did to piss you off, Fluff.
Peace.
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Too hard to adjucate who gets what exception. Easier to just require vaccination and make it a 100% requirement. Will some occasionally slip through? Sure. But you don't build in plans to make every game a potential 3,400 person super spreader event.
Is there a state database with names in it from the pharmacies and med centers? Not sure that exists or if I signed something that gave agreed to give my info to the state. Counting on those white cards with scribble on them to be some sort of verifiable proof doesn't seem like it's realistic.
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I will not be getting an experimental vaccine. For the control group of you who get it, I sincerely hope it works out well for you. Absolutely hard no to vaccine passports. Some seriously dangerous lines we are crossing when the government can force people to inject themselves with an experimental vaccine for a virus that is extremely survivable by nearly every healthy person. A lot of you say "science!" Is why we should all get it without really knowing what it is you are getting. Any of you get the J&J vaccine? You still feeling good about that decision?
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I will not be getting an experimental vaccine. For the control group of you who get it, I sincerely hope it works out well for you. Absolutely hard no to vaccine passports. Some seriously dangerous lines we are crossing when the government can force people to inject themselves with an experimental vaccine for a virus that is extremely survivable by nearly every healthy person. A lot of you say "science!" Is why we should all get it without really knowing what it is you are getting. Any of you get the J&J vaccine? You still feeling good about that decision?
Q?
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Regardless, the vaccine essentially takes serious illness, hospitalization, and death off the table. Time to focus on normalcy. For those still reluctant, they can remain in their hidey hole until Fr. Fauci is finished writing his best seller and gives his blessings, aina?
Correct. I've been about as strict personally as possible since all of this began. But there is a vaccine out there that essentially takes risk off the table, and vaccinated people don't spread it. SO, if a vaccinated person doesn't want to go unless the numbers are at a certain point in their mind, that's totally their prerogative. They can continue to stay home, totally fine with that. Anyone else that wants to go should be able to go, vaccinated or not, based on their own personal risk calculus.
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Is there a state database with names in it from the pharmacies and med centers? Not sure that exists or if I signed something that gave agreed to give my info to the state. Counting on those white cards with scribble on them to be some sort of verifiable proof doesn't seem like it's realistic.
That's how the New York State vaccine passport work (Excelsior). Providers report to the state database, and Excelsior matches your verified name + vaccine date(s) to the state records to prove you were vaccinated.
The federal gov't is letting private companies sort out how to do vaccine passports. Right now airlines, cruise ship companies, and stadiums seem to be taking the lead (along with countries like Israel and Denmark). To expand these programs nationally it will make the most sense for vaccine passport apps to validate drivers licences and integrate with vaccine providers directly. It's going to be a relatively medium-sized PITA, but airlines will foot the bill (wild ass guess on my part).
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Correct. I've been about as strict personally as possible since all of this began. But there is a vaccine out there that essentially takes risk off the table, and vaccinated people don't spread it. SO, if a vaccinated person doesn't want to go unless the numbers are at a certain point in their mind, that's totally their prerogative. They can continue to stay home, totally fine with that. Anyone else that wants to go should be able to go, vaccinated or not, based on their own personal risk calculus.
Vaccinated people can transmit virus.
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Correct. I've been about as strict personally as possible since all of this began. But there is a vaccine out there that essentially takes risk off the table, and vaccinated people don't spread it. SO, if a vaccinated person doesn't want to go unless the numbers are at a certain point in their mind, that's totally their prerogative. They can continue to stay home, totally fine with that. Anyone else that wants to go should be able to go, vaccinated or not, based on their own personal risk calculus.
I don’t think people here arguing that you should not go places once you have been vaccinated. I have been very strict about following guidelines too, and I spent most of the afternoon at my favorite coffee shop with a vaccinated friend.
The question here is quite a different one. It’s whether it would be prudent to (1) limit capacity at public places where unvaccinated people are allowed, and/or (2) limit the public places where unvaccinated people can go. Neither type of limitation would primarily relate to the immediate protection of vaccinated people. They would be based on long-term public health concerns.
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I will not be getting an experimental vaccine. For the control group of you who get it, I sincerely hope it works out well for you. Absolutely hard no to vaccine passports. Some seriously dangerous lines we are crossing when the government can force people to inject themselves with an experimental vaccine for a virus that is extremely survivable by nearly every healthy person. A lot of you say "science!" Is why we should all get it without really knowing what it is you are getting. Any of you get the J&J vaccine? You still feeling good about that decision?
Maybe free market should be dictating this. People who decline vaccination and get COVID-19 or flu or any other vaccine available disease should have to pay all medical bills associated with treatment and life saving measures for those diseases. Whether you die or not the medical bills can be astronomical and should be paid out of pocket. Those vaccinated should get a discount on their monthly payments for saving money and being responsible. People who don’t want their perceived personal freedoms taken away can play Russian roulette with their lives and pocket books. Win-win for everyone.
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Anyone who describes a vaccine that has been given an EUA as “experimental” does not understand the process very well. Thorough experiments with thousands of participants have been completed and evaluated just to get into the FDA’s queue. It is a quicker process than normal because of the public health emergency, but the “experiments” have been done.
Here is a nice, simple explanation from UNC Health.
https://vaccine.unchealthcare.org/science/vaccine-approval/whats-the-difference-between-fda-emergency-use-authorization-and-fda-approval/
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Maybe free market should be dictating this. People who decline vaccination and get COVID-19 or flu or any other vaccine available disease should have to pay all medical bills associated with treatment and life saving measures for those diseases. Whether you die or not the medical bills can be astronomical and should be paid out of pocket. Those vaccinated should get a discount on their monthly payments for saving money and being responsible. People who don’t want their perceived personal freedoms taken away can play Russian roulette with their lives and pocket books. Win-win for everyone.
This sounds great tbh as long as it applies to everything. You're fat and get a heart attack or type 2 diabetes, that's on you. You're a smoker and get lung cancer, that's on you too. Etc., etc. Somehow I don't see people agreeing to this though, but I'll continue to play roulette.
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I will not be getting an experimental vaccine. For the control group of you who get it, I sincerely hope it works out well for you.
80.1% 65+, and 50.7% 18+ have gotten 1 or more shots. You're already in the minority bud. Don't be dense.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
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I will not be getting an experimental vaccine. For the control group of you who get it, I sincerely hope it works out well for you. Absolutely hard no to vaccine passports. Some seriously dangerous lines we are crossing when the government can force people to inject themselves with an experimental vaccine for a virus that is extremely survivable by nearly every healthy person. A lot of you say "science!" Is why we should all get it without really knowing what it is you are getting. Any of you get the J&J vaccine? You still feeling good about that decision?
Thank you. I will not willingly inject an experimental drug into my body either.
I have seen much more severe reactions to the vaccination (healthy individuals), than from those who have contracted the virus (also healthy individuals).
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Is there a state database with names in it from the pharmacies and med centers? Not sure that exists or if I signed something that gave agreed to give my info to the state. Counting on those white cards with scribble on them to be some sort of verifiable proof doesn't seem like it's realistic.
Yes each state has a immunization registry. 18 states use the same system. Anyone giving a vaccine reports it to that system.
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I have seen much more severe reactions to the vaccination (healthy individuals), than from those who have contracted the virus (also healthy individuals).
Oh dear. We really don't need a crazy vaccination thread, but 32M Americans have gotten Covid, and 581k have died from it. I'm sure you'll claim those deaths are made up and miscounted for pollical reasons though. :o
132M Americans have received the vaccine, and 2k of those have subsequently died - none ruled due to the vaccine itself.
So yup - watch out for the vaccine!
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Thank you. I will not willingly inject an experimental drug into my body either.
I have seen much more severe reactions to the vaccination (healthy individuals), than from those who have contracted the virus (also healthy individuals).
My mom had to go to the ER with severe chest pain after the first shot. Zero health issues prior. After the second shot, she was in bed for a day with vertigo. I wish she was the only one I knew who had reactions like this, but there are others. None of you know the long-term effects either, so like I said, for those who are willing to get it, I sincerely wish you the best. It will be interesting to revisit all this in 2022.
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for those who are willing to get it, I sincerely wish you the best.
Fair enough - and I wish you the best too - it is a personal choice. I just think there's a bit of misinformation in the posts about not getting the vaccine. I also believe if you don't get it you should be willing to sit out "regular life" while the rest of us enjoy it.
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I also sincerely hope it works out for you and everyone else who has gotten the vaccine. I really do.
As for me, I am not terribly concerned about getting sick. If I was high risk, I'd seriously consider the vaccine, I'm not.
I respect your decision, you can choose not to respect mine. Either way, no hard feelings.
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Fair enough - and I wish you the best too - it is a personal choice. I just think there's a bit of misinformation in the posts about not getting the vaccine. I also believe if you don't get it you should be willing to sit out "regular life" while the rest of us enjoy it.
I know several who have had adverse reactions to the vaccine, as well. One had a stress test after the vaccine - thought he was having a heart attack 3 days later. Another had her lymph nodes swell to the size of grapefruits on her neck and under her arms, and still isn't back to normal weeks later. No thanks.
As for your belief that I should 'sit out regular life' - get bent.
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700 million people vaccinated. If you don't want to be one of them, don't plan on going to NFL stadiums, I hope NBA stadiums and Big East stadiums.
Either do the right thing or continue to be a dense, selfish individual.
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get bent.
Eat crap
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Eat crap
Really? I take offense to someone who thinks it's his civic duty to tell me how to live my life, right after claiming to 'respect my opinion'.
BTW, why do you care if I get the experimental vaccine, or not? You got the vaccine - you are protected. I am the one taking the risk, right?
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Really? I take offense to someone who thinks it's his civic duty to tell me how to live my life, right after claiming to 'respect my opinion'.
BTW, why do you care if I get the experimental vaccine, or not? You got the vaccine - you are protected. I am the one taking the risk, right?
Why? Vaccines don’t work without vaccinations.
You sir are the problem. Get over it, so we can all get over it. Until then, you can be treated as such.
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Give him and his fellow Anons a break. It's not easy to get a vaccine when you cover your entire body in aluminum foil.
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This sounds great tbh as long as it applies to everything. You're fat and get a heart attack or type 2 diabetes, that's on you. You're a smoker and get lung cancer, that's on you too. Etc., etc. Somehow I don't see people agreeing to this though, but I'll continue to play roulette.
I agree with you on smoking. It is an accurate comparison and similar decision as not being vaccinated. Very binary. People who continue to smoke should pay exponentially more for their healthcare. People who don’t get vaccinated for a preventable disease and end up in the ICU should have a lean against their house until they pay their bills. There should be personal accountability with those decisions.
As people get older they get heavier as their metabolism slows down. Many get heavy earlier because they don’t have access to proper food. Many people get naturally occurring diseases like diabetes type 2 with normal aging who live a healthy lifestyle. Those things are not so binary and harder to legislate.
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Vaccinated people can transmit virus.
Initially, yes. But beyond 2 weeks that isn't proving to be the case, according to the CDC & Johns Hopkins research.
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Really? I take offense to someone who thinks it's his civic duty to tell me how to live my life, right after claiming to 'respect my opinion'.
I'm not telling you how to live your life, or that I respect your opinion! I'm telling you my opinion, and acknowledging that it's a personal choice.
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I am the one taking the risk, right?
Wrong. You are increasing the risk of virus survival and the probability of mutations that will impact all of us. Individually, the risk might be minimal, but when it's 20-35% of the population, it only insures this will keep going on long past when we should be able to control it.
It actually comes down to whether or not you care about anyone other than yourself.
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Thank you. I will not willingly inject an experimental drug into my body either.
I have seen much more severe reactions to the vaccination (healthy individuals), than from those who have contracted the virus (also healthy individuals).
What you have "seen" isn't reality. Look at the case numbers and hospitalizations since vaccines have become more widely available.
It works. It stops the spread of a dangerous disease.
Would have thought my alma mater would have graduated smarter people.
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Really? I take offense to someone who thinks it's his civic duty to tell me how to live my life, right after claiming to 'respect my opinion'.
BTW, why do you care if I get the experimental vaccine, or not? You got the vaccine - you are protected. I am the one taking the risk, right?
I don't respect your opinion. I think you are the Cones dude are harming society with your ignorance. Anti-science nutjobs.
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I don't respect your opinion. I think you are the Cones dude are harming society with your ignorance. Anti-science nutjobs.
Out of curiosity, what does the science say about the long term effects of the vaccine on the body?
No one has all the answers so name calling people because you believe you’re definitively in the right is just as selfish, ignorant, and malicious to society. It is what creates fissures in society. Do not equate these vaccines to the anti-vax movement of other vaccines, because they aren’t the same.
This is a novel virus. These are novel vaccinations. None of us have all the answers. None of us includes science, who are daily learning new things about this vaccine. That scares people, which is why you’ve seen so many strong reactions to mask mandates, vaccines, etc. When people can’t control some things in their life, they try to find something else to control. So they put their foot down on vaccines or masks or what not.
So, maybe, instead of harassing people for their opinion show some empathy even with those you think are misguided and wrong. Belittling someone is not the answer.
PS. All this coming from someone who (a) is not worried about my own health related to Covid (even though I have statistics on its lethality to certain groups), (b) has some slight concerns about the vaccine but generally is not worried there either (even though I don’t have long term statistics on its effects because they don’t exist), (c) acknowledges the seriousness of the virus, (d) acknowledges the science behind mass inoculation and the spread of dangerous variants, and (e) has opted to get the vaccine.
Empathy. Please.
And sorry to pick on you. The person condescendingly wishing “good luck” to everyone who got a vaccine as if he or she knows better is just as guilty.
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I've had the virus. I've had the shots. My experience with the virus was infinitely worse.
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Out of curiosity, what does the science say about the long term effects of the vaccine on the body?
No one has all the answers so name calling people because you believe you’re definitively in the right is just as selfish, ignorant, and malicious to society. It is what creates fissures in society. Do not equate these vaccines to the anti-vax movement of other vaccines, because they aren’t the same.
This is a novel virus. These are novel vaccinations. None of us have all the answers. None of us includes science, who are daily learning new things about this vaccine. That scares people, which is why you’ve seen so many strong reactions to mask mandates, vaccines, etc. When people can’t control some things in their life, they try to find something else to control. So they put their foot down on vaccines or masks or what not.
So, maybe, instead of harassing people for their opinion show some empathy even with those you think are misguided and wrong. Belittling someone is not the answer.
PS. All this coming from someone who (a) is not worried about my own health related to Covid (even though I have statistics on its lethality to certain groups), (b) has some slight concerns about the vaccine but generally is not worried there either (even though I don’t have long term statistics on its effects because they don’t exist), (c) acknowledges the seriousness of the virus, (d) acknowledges the science behind mass inoculation and the spread of dangerous variants, and (e) has opted to get the vaccine.
Empathy. Please.
And sorry to pick on you. The person condescendingly wishing “good luck” to everyone who got a vaccine as if he or she knows better is just as guilty.
Nope. They’re ignorant and selfish. They are choosing to be that way so I have no empathy for them. Give me a break.
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“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
- Isaac Asimov
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“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”
- Isaac Asimov
Yep.
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Nope. They’re ignorant and selfish. They are choosing to be that way so I have no empathy for them. Give me a break.
Okay. Bravo. You win.
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MUCam
I really want to believe your statement that empathy will turn the tide.
The reality is that these people are not just lacking information. They are not waiting to see how the vaccines work long-term.
These are truly selfish individuals who choose to ignore science, statistics and how we get over this pandemic. These are people that will put their foot down and make a pandemic about themselves. They choose to harm everyone else because “tHe GoVeRnMeNt WoNt TeLl Me To GeT vAcCiNaTeD.” These are the people trying to make Dr. Fauci a bad guy or a criminal.
I have more respect for the original anti-vaxxers such as Jenny McCarthy. At least she believed in something that led her down that path.
This new type of anti-vaxxers are pathetic idiots following the cull. They’re dangerous and until they decide to get a shot should have their access limited.
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I know several who have had adverse reactions to the vaccine, as well. One had a stress test after the vaccine - thought he was having a heart attack 3 days later. Another had her lymph nodes swell to the size of grapefruits on her neck and under her arms, and still isn't back to normal weeks later. No thanks.
As for your belief that I should 'sit out regular life' - get bent.
I know millions of people from all around the world that got COVID and died...
The point is the virus will effect everyone until we hit herd immunity, and we won't do so if enough people don't get vaccinated. So, I'm great with your personal liberties, but given that even with a 96% efficacy you will, and already have, seen breakthrough diagnosis and deaths I sure would hate to think I was responsible for our country not hitting herd immunity because I knew a friend who got sick from the vaccine.
I had this discussion with a co-worker the other day....Gov't can't tell me what to do with my body...same lady who opposes abortion, feels weed should always be illegal, shouldn't have to wear a seat-belt, smokes, etc...
Hell, I'm much more likely to die of many things other than COVID at my age...I'm just trying to be a very small part of others not dying from it...pretty simple.
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This thread is a sad reminder of how hateful and spiteful people in this world are. We can all do better than this.
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This thread is a sad reminder of how hateful and spiteful people in this world are. We can all do better than this.
Agree - take personal responsibility and get the vaccine and help your fellow human by helping contain a global pandemic. Not getting it out of spite or because your politics breeds mistrust/hate is selfish
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My mom had to go to the ER with severe chest pain after the first shot. Zero health issues prior. After the second shot, she was in bed for a day with vertigo. I wish she was the only one I knew who had reactions like this, but there are others. None of you know the long-term effects either, so like I said, for those who are willing to get it, I sincerely wish you the best. It will be interesting to revisit all this in 2022.
I've read multiple places that your reaction to the vaccine is indicative of what your reaction to contracting COVID would have been although the vaccine reaction would still be less than actual. If your mom got COVID she very well could be on a ventilator. I would think the vaccine reaction would be preferable than that?
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I've read multiple places that your reaction to the vaccine is indicative of what your reaction to contracting COVID would have been although the vaccine reaction would still be less than actual. If your mom got COVID she very well could be on a ventilator. I would think the vaccine reaction would be preferable than that?
Precisely. The mentioned “afters” are not side effects of the vaccine but simply a systemic reaction to the small amount of virus from the shot. The reactions prove that the vaccine is not only effective but safe.
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Precisely. The mentioned “afters” are not side effects of the vaccine but simply a systemic reaction to the small amount of virus from the shot. The reactions prove that the vaccine is not only effective but safe.
Yeah I’ve mean that’s cool and all, but my friend’s mom got dizzy after taking the second dose. So I’m out!
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Any of you get the J&J vaccine? You still feeling good about that decision?
Yup, 4 weeks ago with zero side effects, no qualms at all
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Really? I take offense to someone who thinks it's his civic duty to tell me how to live my life, right after claiming to 'respect my opinion'.
BTW, why do you care if I get the experimental vaccine, or not? You got the vaccine - you are protected. I am the one taking the risk, right?
Drive drunk too? God given right. You are taking the risk, right? Actions have consequences.
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"This town needs an enema!" - Joker, Batman 1989
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Yup, 4 weeks ago with zero side effects, no qualms at all
Me too. about 4 weeks ago as well. I am fine with it, especially since I only had to have one shot.
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MUCam
I really want to believe your statement that empathy will turn the tide.
The reality is that these people are not just lacking information. They are not waiting to see how the vaccines work long-term.
These are truly selfish individuals who choose to ignore science, statistics and how we get over this pandemic. These are people that will put their foot down and make a pandemic about themselves. They choose to harm everyone else because “tHe GoVeRnMeNt WoNt TeLl Me To GeT vAcCiNaTeD.” These are the people trying to make Dr. Fauci a bad guy or a criminal.
I have more respect for the original anti-vaxxers such as Jenny McCarthy. At least she believed in something that led her down that path.
This new type of anti-vaxxers are pathetic idiots following the cull. They’re dangerous and until they decide to get a shot should have their access limited.
Empathy and taking time to have a real discussion with vaccine hesitant people is the only way to change their minds... and it can't be done in one sitting. The biggest problem with jumping to name calling and belittling is that it is FAR too easy to lump the die hard people who will refuse no matter what with those people who are merely hesitant and have been misinformed. That second group CAN be swayed... but they won't be if we all jump to personal attacks right away without taking the time to really understand why they think the way they do.
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100% or bust.
This thread is LIT.
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but they won't be if we all jump to personal attacks right away without taking the time to really understand why they think the way they do.
5 Stages of Technology Adoption - A parallel?
Innovators (2.5%) – Innovators are the first individuals to adopt an innovation. Innovators are willing to take risks, youngest in age, have the highest social class, have great financial lucidity, very social and have closest contact to scientific sources and interaction with other innovators. Risk tolerance has them adopting technologies which may ultimately fail. Financial resources help absorb these failures. (Rogers 1962 5th ed, p. 282)
Early Adopters (13.5%) – This is the second fastest category of individuals who adopt an innovation. These individuals have the highest degree of opinion leadership among the other adopter categories. Early adopters are typically younger in age, have a higher social status, have more financial lucidity, advanced education, and are more socially forward than late adopters. More discrete in adoption choices than innovators. Realize judicious choice of adoption will help them maintain central communication position (Rogers 1962 5th ed, p. 283).
Early Majority (34%) – Individuals in this category adopt an innovation after a varying degree of time. This time of adoption is significantly longer than the innovators and early adopters. Early Majority tend to be slower in the adoption process, have above average social status, contact with early adopters, and seldom hold positions of opinion leadership in a system (Rogers 1962 5th ed, p. 283)
Late Majority (34%) – Individuals in this category will adopt an innovation after the average member of the society. These individuals approach an innovation with a high degree of skepticism and after the majority of society has adopted the innovation. Late Majority are typically skeptical about an innovation, have below average social status, very little financial lucidity, in contact with others in late majority and early majority, very little opinion leadership.
Laggards (16%) – Individuals in this category are the last to adopt an innovation. Unlike some of the previous categories, individuals in this category show little to no opinion leadership. These individuals typically have an aversion to change-agents and tend to be advanced in age. Laggards typically tend to be focused on “traditions”, likely to have lowest social status, lowest financial fluidity, be oldest of all other adopters, in contact with only family and close friends, very little to no opinion leadership.
Curious to see how this lines up with vaccine adoption......
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Sometimes I wonder how we eradicated polio, measles, mumps and other once-horrific diseases ... let alone how we won WWII, got the Interstate highway system built, etc.
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Sometimes I wonder how we eradicated polio, measles, mumps and other once-horrific diseases ... let alone how we won WWII, got the Interstate highway system built, etc.
Easy - no internet
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Sometimes I wonder how we eradicated polio, measles, mumps and other once-horrific diseases ...
And these diseases are having a resurgence thanks to the anti-vaxxers.
Get vaccinated people.
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Everyone is so angry at one another. That's no way to live life!
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I'm fine with 100%
As long as that 100% is vaccinated individuals or those who can prove they had Covid in the last year by all means get a ticket.
This country allows freedoms but those freedoms don't give you the right to put others in harms way and transmitting a virus to everyone in there because you don't want a vaccine is a prime example.
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Everyone is so angry at one another. That's no way to live life!
Shut up and get your vaccine!
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Easy - no internet
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Shut up and get your vaccine!
Already did. I don't really get worked up on what others do, just worry about myself. Vaccines are shown to be near 100% effect against serious issues so I don't really care if you let non vaccinated people in.
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Easy - no internet
Yes, Internet was used at first to speed up the information process in a positive fashion, but now it's being used to propagate low quality opinion/myth. Combine that with a culture based on "Independent Thought/Action First" and you have an issue. America's culture is being turned upon itself.
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Already did. I don't really get worked up on what others do, just worry about myself. Vaccines are shown to be near 100% effect against serious issues so I don't really care if you let non vaccinated people in.
Mostly true...74 breakthrough deaths thus far. That's a tiny fraction of those vaccinated and an anticipated number.
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Yes, Internet was used at first to speed up the information process in a positive fashion, but now it's being used to propagate low quality opinion/myth. Combine that with a culture based on "Independent Thought/Action First" and you have an issue. America's culture is being turned upon itself.
This is a weird world where you and I are on the same page.
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What you have "seen" isn't reality. Look at the case numbers and hospitalizations since vaccines have become more widely available.
It works. It stops the spread of a dangerous disease.
Would have thought my alma mater would have graduated smarter people.
Yep. Anyone who would risk exposure to the virus instead of getting the vaccine isn't paying attention to the actual numbers. Instead, they are listening to propaganda, anecdotes or hypothetical theories.
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I'm fine with 100%
As long as that 100% is vaccinated individuals or those who can prove they had Covid in the last year by all means get a ticket.
This country allows freedoms but those freedoms don't give you the right to put others in harms way and transmitting a virus to everyone in there because you don't want a vaccine is a prime example.
I really really really do not want places like the Fiserv to be turned into an airport terminal any more than they already are. I have my first shot and can't wait to get my second. I think everyone should do the same and hope people will make that choice for themselves. But I don't want to have to walk around proving it constantly.
And I don't think non-vaccinated people are putting vaccinated people in harm's way. If a vaccinated person wants to hold themselves back from any place where a non-vaccinated person might be, that's their prerogative. I disagree with a person's decision not to get vaccinated, but ultimately it doesn't matter to me if they choose not to, because I'm vaccinated. That's their problem at that point.
We need to move on once everyone who wants to be vaccinated has had the ability to get the shots for themselves. The numbers are never going to go to 0%. People need to come to terms with that and make decisions based on their own personal risk calculus from that point on.
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Initially, yes. But beyond 2 weeks that isn't proving to be the case, according to the CDC & Johns Hopkins research.
Trust me it has been happening where I live with people vaccinated after a month. This happened & the whole police academy was on lock down. People need to keep taking precautions. They have documented over a 100 such cases here.
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Trust me it has been happening where I live with people vaccinated after a month. This happened & the whole police academy was on lock down. People need to keep taking precautions. They have documented over a 100 such cases here.
"trust me"
Nah, I'm not trusting anecdotal stories.
Mostly true...74 breakthrough deaths thus far. That's a tiny fraction of those vaccinated and an anticipated number.
So it's true then.
Open-er up 100%. No "passport" bs. Everyone who wants a vaccine then will have one and that's the last step.
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"trust me"
Nah, I'm not trusting anecdotal stories.
So it's true then.
Open-er up 100%. No "passport" bs. Everyone who wants a vaccine then will have one and that's the last step.
I can provide the evidence, can you read Spanish?
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I really really really do not want places like the Fiserv to be turned into an airport terminal any more than they already are. I have my first shot and can't wait to get my second. I think everyone should do the same and hope people will make that choice for themselves. But I don't want to have to walk around proving it constantly.
And I don't think non-vaccinated people are putting vaccinated people in harm's way. If a vaccinated person wants to hold themselves back from any place where a non-vaccinated person might be, that's their prerogative. I disagree with a person's decision not to get vaccinated, but ultimately it doesn't matter to me if they choose not to, because I'm vaccinated. That's their problem at that point.
We need to move on once everyone who wants to be vaccinated has had the ability to get the shots for themselves. The numbers are never going to go to 0%. People need to come to terms with that and make decisions based on their own personal risk calculus from that point on.
I have a fully vaxed sister (Pfizer) that was taking D3, Zinc and Vit C, who is on oxygen battling her third week of Covid thatd likely say your opinion is wrong and that with new variants anti vaxxers are still putting vaccinated people in harms way. if we only had to deal with the initial virus I'd be full on board with your logic.
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There were always going to be breakthrough cases. This isn't news. The vaccines are meant to improve outcomes. And have done that over 99% of the time thus far.
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I have a fully vaxed sister (Pfizer) that was taking D3, Zinc and Vit C, who is on oxygen battling her third week of Covid thatd likely say your opinion is wrong and that with new variants anti vaxxers are still putting vaccinated people in harms way. if we only had to deal with the initial virus I'd be full on board with your logic.
No hydroxy?
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There were always going to be breakthrough cases. This isn't news. The vaccines are meant to improve outcomes. And have done that over 99% of the time thus far.
Yup.
"here's my one-off story that is extremely rare or not true, thus we need to keep everything shut down" The vaccines work with great efficacy. It's not going to be 100% but it's more than good enough to continue living normal life.
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I have a fully vaxed sister (Pfizer) that was taking D3, Zinc and Vit C, who is on oxygen battling her third week of Covid thatd likely say your opinion is wrong and that with new variants anti vaxxers are still putting vaccinated people in harms way.
So you're saying the vaccine didn't work? There are already strains that exist that it won't prevent? So are you all going to run to get your variant vaccine? Do any of you even know what is in the original vaccine and how it's literally different than any other vaccine previously developed? Any of you care to comment on the J&J recall or is that no big deal? You know, that they'd already injected millions with a vaccine that is now considered unsafe. I work directly with several medical professionals who will never take the vaccine. I'm sure scoopers though have done the same amount of research.
Lots of judging going on. Good thing I don't get my life advice from scoop. By the way Galway, I obviously hope she recovers. In my opinion the only choices we have are all crappy choices.
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I work directly with several medical professionals who will never take the vaccine.
My anti-vaxxer bingo card is complete!
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So you're saying the vaccine didn't work?
The clinical trial numbers showed that these vaccines weren't 100% effective. All the more reason why everyone needs to get them in order to protect the community.
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So you're saying the vaccine didn't work? There are already strains that exist that it won't prevent? So are you all going to run to get your variant vaccine? Do any of you even know what is in the original vaccine and how it's literally different than any other vaccine previously developed? Any of you care to comment on the J&J recall or is that no big deal? You know, that they'd already injected millions with a vaccine that is now considered unsafe. I work directly with several medical professionals who will never take the vaccine. I'm sure scoopers though have done the same amount of research.
Lots of judging going on. Good thing I don't get my life advice from scoop. By the way Galway, I obviously hope she recovers. In my opinion the only choices we have are all crappy choices.
Putting the Q in Marquette.
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V A C C I N E B A R
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Putting the Q in Marquette.
The real tin-foil hat thread.
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I'm sure scoopers though have done the same amount of research.
Let's see this "research" you've done that shows you shouldn't get the vaccine.
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So you're saying the vaccine didn't work? There are already strains that exist that it won't prevent? So are you all going to run to get your variant vaccine? Do any of you even know what is in the original vaccine and how it's literally different than any other vaccine previously developed? Any of you care to comment on the J&J recall or is that no big deal? You know, that they'd already injected millions with a vaccine that is now considered unsafe. I work directly with several medical professionals who will never take the vaccine. I'm sure scoopers though have done the same amount of research.
Lots of judging going on. Good thing I don't get my life advice from scoop. By the way Galway, I obviously hope she recovers. In my opinion the only choices we have are all crappy choices.
If you think the J&J vaccine is “unsafe,” you should see how bad Covid is.
And the “medical professions” you work with are as ignorant as you are. Congrats.
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So you're saying the vaccine didn't work? There are already strains that exist that it won't prevent? So are you all going to run to get your variant vaccine? Do any of you even know what is in the original vaccine and how it's literally different than any other vaccine previously developed? Any of you care to comment on the J&J recall or is that no big deal? You know, that they'd already injected millions with a vaccine that is now considered unsafe. I work directly with several medical professionals who will never take the vaccine. I'm sure scoopers though have done the same amount of research.
Lots of judging going on. Good thing I don't get my life advice from scoop. By the way Galway, I obviously hope she recovers. In my opinion the only choices we have are all crappy choices.
You've already used two words incorrectly, "control group" to describe a group taking the vaccine and "recall" for something that is not at all a recall. Not to gatekeep the discussion but nobody who actually becomes knowledgeable about this stuff would make such basic mistakes. Just maybe try to have a little more humility.
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My anti-vaxxer bingo card is complete!
Damn it! All I had left was "Autism".
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The other thing not being mentioned in any of these responses is the ability for people unable to get the vaccine's ability to attend games. So if a significant number of unvaccinated individuals are attending events at 100% capacity is everyone that cannot get the vaccine expected not to go if "their personal risk level" dictates as much?
So anyone with children under 15 years old shouldn't bring them to a game? Anyone that has other inability to obtain the vaccine cannot go?
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The other thing not being mentioned in any of these responses is the ability for people unable to get the vaccine's ability to attend games. So if a significant number of unvaccinated individuals are attending events at 100% capacity is everyone that cannot get the vaccine expected not to go if "their personal risk level" dictates as much?
So anyone with children under 15 years old shouldn't bring them to a game? Anyone that has other inability to obtain the vaccine cannot go?
Will anyone have problems accessing the vaccine in 6 months? Nearly everyone can get it now.
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The other thing not being mentioned in any of these responses is the ability for people unable to get the vaccine's ability to attend games. So if a significant number of unvaccinated individuals are attending events at 100% capacity is everyone that cannot get the vaccine expected not to go if "their personal risk level" dictates as much?
So anyone with children under 15 years old shouldn't bring them to a game? Anyone that has other inability to obtain the vaccine cannot go?
Correct on the first part.
Second part, it's up to each individual parent/person.
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Will anyone have problems accessing the vaccine in 6 months? Nearly everyone can get it now.
Maybe inability was the incorrect word. Unable to obtain for some medical reason.
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Correct on the first part.
Second part, it's up to each individual parent/person.
So kids continue to get the short end of the stick.
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So you're saying the vaccine didn't work? There are already strains that exist that it won't prevent? So are you all going to run to get your variant vaccine? Do any of you even know what is in the original vaccine and how it's literally different than any other vaccine previously developed? Any of you care to comment on the J&J recall or is that no big deal? You know, that they'd already injected millions with a vaccine that is now considered unsafe. I work directly with several medical professionals who will never take the vaccine. I'm sure scoopers though have done the same amount of research.
Lots of judging going on. Good thing I don't get my life advice from scoop. By the way Galway, I obviously hope she recovers. In my opinion the only choices we have are all crappy choices.
To your first question: No way to tell, given her husband gave it to her and he just got out of the hospital I'd say it marginally made her less sick. But emphasis on marginally.
To your second: There's strains that are considerably harsher that the vaccine isn't as effective against.
To your third: Yes.
Fourth: Unbelievably small chance at clotting at a lower percentage than the death rate of Covid. If I'm playing Russian roulette with a 4/100 loaded gun vs (at this point) 6/7,000,000 non lethal bullets. I know which I use to play.
Personally if it means making a game be a little more like the TSA for a year while people who are hesitant get comfortable or the other stands get handled better then I'm fine with it.
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So kids continue to get the short end of the stick.
Kids can come. It's up to the parent
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Kids can come. It's up to the parent
I understand your position.
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I understand your position.
I just don't want to have to prove my vaccination records going to a basketball game, concert, bar etc.
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I just don't want to have to prove my vaccination records going to a basketball game, concert, bar etc.
should your kids have to prove their records to attend school?
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should your kids have to prove their records to attend school?
School is a little different than those don't ya think? Surprised you didn't bring up international travel as well.
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School is a little different than those don't ya think? Surprised you didn't bring up international travel as well.
Why? I think disease spreads just as easily in a bar as it does in a school.
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Why? I think disease spreads just as easily in a bar as it does in a school.
If you can't see the difference between schools and the bar then we'll just have to agree to disagree here and move on.
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School is a little different than those don't ya think? Surprised you didn't bring up international travel as well.
The only reason you don't have to prove you've been vaccinated for measles, etc as an adult is because it was a requirement for you to be in school and therefore you are not a risk to spread the disease while out in the general public. IMO it should be no different for COVID.
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The only reason you don't have to prove you've been vaccinated for measles, etc as an adult is because it was a requirement for you to be in school and therefore you are not a risk to spread the disease while out in the general public. IMO it should be no different for COVID.
And that's your opinion which I vehemently disagree with. Cheers.
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If you can't see the difference between schools and the bar then we'll just have to agree to disagree here and move on.
So then do a better job making your point. Unless your point is, "I don't wanna".
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So then do a better job making your point. Unless your point is, "I don't wanna".
So I can argue with a wall? No one's mind is changing on this issue based on a message board post. I'd rather waste my time arguing about whether Theo John is better than Davante.
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So I can argue with a wall? No one's mind is changing on this issue based on a message board post. I'd rather waste my time arguing about whether Theo John is better than Davante.
Both of them believe in vaccinations
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And that's your opinion which I vehemently disagree with. Cheers.
Why?
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Both of them believe in vaccinations
And so do I? What are you getting at? Getting my second shot at 4pm today.
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I work directly with several medical professionals who will never take the vaccine. I'm sure scoopers though have done the same amount of research.
I know some similar medical professionals. And yes, I can say many scoopers are more knowledgeable than them, and have done more research (esp if you've been following the covid board).
No one's mind is changing on this issue based on a message board post.
I disagree with this. There are some on the fence, that don't interact with many vaccinated people. So hearing stories (good or bad) can influence their decision. Many posting here have been vaccinated, and don't have any horror stories, so when I see someone post "I have seen much more severe reactions to the vaccination (healthy individuals), than from those who have contracted the virus (also healthy individuals). " - I feel the need to refute that badly informed opinion.
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And so do I? What are you getting at? Getting my second shot at 4pm today.
I should have said "both are intelligent men and believe we should all get vaccinated in order to be in close contact with others" (obviously I don't know that but it was a joke bout the T vs D debate)
My larger point is that you are OK creating an environment where conspiracy theorists 'research' is as valid as the science and allowing them to endanger themselves and the general population. And being OK with allowing misguided/ill informed/etc people to put others at risk during a pandemic which has killed 550K in the US to date is what's at issue.
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I should have said "both are intelligent men and believe we should all get vaccinated in order to be in close contact with others" (obviously I don't know that but it was a joke bout the T vs D debate)
My larger point is that you are OK creating an environment where conspiracy theorists 'research' is as valid as the science and allowing them to endanger themselves and the general population. And being OK with allowing misguided/ill informed/etc people to put others at risk during a pandemic which has killed 550K in the US to date is what's at issue.
HUH. You got all that from me not wanting to show my vaccination status at the bar. Take care.
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I just don't want to have to prove my vaccination records going to a basketball game, concert, bar etc.
I flash my passport/driving license to enter a drinking establishment. I flash my insurance card to receive medical care. I flash my membership card to enter a gym. I flash a ticket in hand to enter a sporting event.
What's so hard about flashing your vaccine card along with those entry forms?
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If I'm playing Russian roulette with a 4/100 loaded gun vs (at this point) 6/7,000,000 non lethal bullets. I know which I use to play.
This.
Math.
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I’ve been in 250+ patient rooms with COVID+ people. You don’t want COVID, don’t want to cheat COVID. Get the vaccine to protect yourself, your spouses and your kids. There is nothing more that you can do for the good old USA in the next month then go to your local Walgreens for 2 minutes and have them stick a needle in you.
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I know some similar medical professionals. And yes, I can say many scoopers are more knowledgeable than them, and have done more research (esp if you've been following the covid board).
I disagree with this. There are some on the fence, that don't interact with many vaccinated people. So hearing stories (good or bad) can influence their decision. Many posting here have been vaccinated, and don't have any horror stories, so when I see someone post "I have seen much more severe reactions to the vaccination (healthy individuals), than from those who have contracted the virus (also healthy individuals). " - I feel the need to refute that badly informed opinion.
I agree. I was hesitant to get the vaccine when it was talked about last fall. I wasn’t sure what kind of approval steps may have been skipped.
Reading opinions on here (as well as other places), really made me comfortable and made me want to get it the first chance I could. As a non-science person, the medical language is a bit daunting, but hearing what it means in layman’s terms really helped me jump on board.
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I flash my passport/driving license to enter a drinking establishment. I flash my insurance card to receive medical care. I flash my membership card to enter a gym. I flash a ticket in hand to enter a sporting event.
What's so hard about flashing your vaccine card along with those entry forms?
Same goes for voting.
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I’ve been in 250+ patient rooms with COVID+ people. You don’t want COVID, don’t want to cheat COVID. Get the vaccine to protect yourself, your spouses and your kids. There is nothing more that you can do for the good old USA in the next month then go to your local Walgreens for 2 minutes and have them stick a needle in you.
Testify.
But you speaking truth will not impact those who do not want to hear the truth.
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Same goes for voting.
Medical care is not a constitutional right, drinking at a private establishment is not a constitutional right, going to a gym is not a constitutional right, going to a sporting event is not a constitutional right.
You know what is a constitutional right?
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Medical care is not a constitutional right, drinking at a private establishment is not a constitutional right, going to a gym is not a constitutional right, going to a sporting event is not a constitutional right.
You know what is a constitutional right?
Would you argue that someone shouldn't need an ID to purchase a gun?
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Maybe inability was the incorrect word. Unable to obtain for some medical reason.
If 100% of the eligible people take the shot as soon as they can, the <1% who really can't take it for medical reasons would be safe enough to attend with a negligible risk of spread.
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Would you argue that someone shouldn't need an ID to purchase a gun?
Not gonna get deep into this argument but at least that's a comparable point unlike the other ones.
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If 100% of the eligible people take the shot as soon as they can, the <1% who really can't take it for medical reasons would be safe enough to attend with a negligible risk of spread.
This still ignores the 20% of the population not eligible (<16).
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This still ignores the 20% of the population not eligible (<16).
Point taken but my guess by the time the games are played Pfizer will have at least 12+ covered. They are already in trials for ages 12-15.
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This still ignores the 20% of the population not eligible (<16).
That will very likely change before November. And the vaccine will be rolled out and waiting as soon as it is approved.
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Kinda weird seeing some of the same folks who are demanding the USA "return to normal" refusing to do the most important thing each of us has the power to do right now to help us get there.
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I flash my passport/driving license to enter a drinking establishment. I flash my insurance card to receive medical care. I flash my membership card to enter a gym. I flash a ticket in hand to enter a sporting event.
What's so hard about flashing your vaccine card along with those entry forms?
Same group who complains about vaccine card is hell bent on having a voter ID despite voter fraud being insignificant. Idiots can't get past myth and look to the herd for detailed, informed, complicated answers.
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Kinda weird seeing some of the same folks who are demanding the USA "return to normal" refusing to do the most important thing each of us has the power to do right now to help us get there.
Doesn't seem that weird given that they've fought masks this whole time
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Same group who complains about vaccine card is hell bent on having a voter ID despite voter fraud being insignificant. Idiots can't get past myth and look to the herd for detailed, informed, complicated answers.
What messed up scenario are we in when I agree with you??
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Impressive we got to gun control and voter ID. Should we tackle abortion and tax cuts next?
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Impressive we got to gun control and voter ID. Should we tackle abortion and tax cuts next?
Yo can we talk about how that SALT cap is the pits?
Also, abortion should be legal up until 3 years old.
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Impressive we got to gun control and voter ID. Should we tackle abortion and tax cuts next?
You mean whether Tax cuts and abortions should require ID's?
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Since the decision for game attendance is up to the Fiserv Forum peeps, have they signaled anything so far? From the website it looks like they increased capacity and are still enforcing social distancing, but nothing about what their capacity expansion plan looks like.
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Since the decision for game attendance is up to the Fiserv Forum peeps, have they signaled anything so far? From the website it looks like they increased capacity and are still enforcing social distancing, but nothing about what their capacity expansion plan looks like.
The NBA is pushing hard for full arenas next season, but the Bucks/FF are deferring to the MKE Health Department. Not sure what it's gonna look like yet.
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Here's what' going on in Israel, where almost every adult has been vaccinated:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israel-coronavirus-vaccine-herd-immunity/2021/04/20/e4e1199c-a118-11eb-b314-2e993bd83e31_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F31f9f03%2F60804eb79d2fda1dfb573d2a%2F5f8d147cae7e8a56e5b732a4%2F13%2F68%2F60804eb79d2fda1dfb573d2a
JERUSALEM — Israel is partying like it's 2019. With most adults now vaccinated against the coronavirus and restrictions falling away — including the lifting this week of outdoor mask requirements — Israelis are joyously resuming routines that were disrupted more than a year ago and providing a glimpse of what the future could hold for other countries.
Restaurants are booming outside and in. Concerts, bars and hotels are open to those who can flash their vaccine certificates. Classrooms are back to pre-covid capacity.
The rate of new infections has plummeted — from a peak of almost 10,000 a day to about 140 — and the number of serious coronavirus cases in many hospitals is down to single digits. The emergency covid-19 ward at Sheba Medical Center near Tel Aviv resumed duty as a parking garage, and waiting rooms are suddenly flooded with non-covid patients coming for long-deferred treatments.
“It feels like it is going away for good this time,” said Sarah Goldstain, 24, who was standing with her bare face turned skyward at Jerusalem’s outdoor Mamilla Mall. “I can breathe. I have the sun on my face.”
Health officials are quick to note that the pandemic is not over. Infections continue to rage in countries around the world and next door in the Palestinian territories of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Variants of the virus, some of which may be more resistant to vaccines, require strict surveillance.
But even cautious epidemiologists say that Israel can breathe easier and that the country is showing what other nations can expect if they can keep on vaccinating. With almost 90 percent of the most vulnerable cohort — those 50 and older — fully inoculated, experts say hospital ICU units are now shielded from being overwhelmed, as almost happened earlier in the pandemic.
“We do need to be alert,” said Hagai Levine, an epidemiologist at Hebrew-Hadassah University and recent chairman of the Israeli Association of Public Health Physicians. “There is always the possibility that we will see outbreaks in schools [where most students are too young to be vaccinated], but it’s now extremely unlikely they would lead to a public health crisis.”
So those who whine about wanting America to get "back to normal" can do everything within their control to make it happen -- and what they can control is the choice to get vaccinated, as Israelis have. Or they can choose to complain ... and to risk putting themselves, their loved ones, their co-workers and others at risk of a still debilitating (and even deadly) infection.
The power to return to "normalcy" is in the hands of everyday Americans, not politicians.
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The Israel thing is good news, but I am still skeptical on the efficacy vs new variants. We will see. Not denying the importance of vaccines, everyone should get one, but I don't think they are a silver bullet either. I hope I'm wrong.
Regarding the poll and fans allowed, I think 75% is kind of a red herring. You can't social distance with 75% capacity: it might as well be 100%. I think somewhere between 20% and 50% capacity is probably the most likely, and if I had to pick one, it is going to be on the lower end of that range for an indoor event. Which is better than 0%.
You might see outdoor baseball/football stadiums going 50% though.
I wonder if it would be possible to amplify crowd noises somehow if only 20% capacity were allowed.
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Here's what' going on in Israel, where almost every adult has been vaccinated:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israel-coronavirus-vaccine-herd-immunity/2021/04/20/e4e1199c-a118-11eb-b314-2e993bd83e31_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F31f9f03%2F60804eb79d2fda1dfb573d2a%2F5f8d147cae7e8a56e5b732a4%2F13%2F68%2F60804eb79d2fda1dfb573d2a
JERUSALEM — Israel is partying like it's 2019. With most adults now vaccinated against the coronavirus and restrictions falling away — including the lifting this week of outdoor mask requirements — Israelis are joyously resuming routines that were disrupted more than a year ago and providing a glimpse of what the future could hold for other countries.
Restaurants are booming outside and in. Concerts, bars and hotels are open to those who can flash their vaccine certificates. Classrooms are back to pre-covid capacity.
The rate of new infections has plummeted — from a peak of almost 10,000 a day to about 140 — and the number of serious coronavirus cases in many hospitals is down to single digits. The emergency covid-19 ward at Sheba Medical Center near Tel Aviv resumed duty as a parking garage, and waiting rooms are suddenly flooded with non-covid patients coming for long-deferred treatments.
“It feels like it is going away for good this time,” said Sarah Goldstain, 24, who was standing with her bare face turned skyward at Jerusalem’s outdoor Mamilla Mall. “I can breathe. I have the sun on my face.”
Health officials are quick to note that the pandemic is not over. Infections continue to rage in countries around the world and next door in the Palestinian territories of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Variants of the virus, some of which may be more resistant to vaccines, require strict surveillance.
But even cautious epidemiologists say that Israel can breathe easier and that the country is showing what other nations can expect if they can keep on vaccinating. With almost 90 percent of the most vulnerable cohort — those 50 and older — fully inoculated, experts say hospital ICU units are now shielded from being overwhelmed, as almost happened earlier in the pandemic.
“We do need to be alert,” said Hagai Levine, an epidemiologist at Hebrew-Hadassah University and recent chairman of the Israeli Association of Public Health Physicians. “There is always the possibility that we will see outbreaks in schools [where most students are too young to be vaccinated], but it’s now extremely unlikely they would lead to a public health crisis.”
So those who whine about wanting America to get "back to normal" can do everything within their control to make it happen -- and what they can control is the choice to get vaccinated, as Israelis have. Or they can choose to complain ... and to risk putting themselves, their loved ones, their co-workers and others at risk of a still debilitating (and even deadly) infection.
The power to return to "normalcy" is in the hands of everyday Americans, not politicians.
New Zealand was holding concerts many months ago - another prominent example of success. Of course, most Americans don't even know where the hell it is on a map or even care.
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New Zealand was holding concerts many months ago - another prominent example of success. Of course, most Americans don't even know where the hell it is on a map or even care.
A good friend of mine lives there... sends me videos of full concerts & rugby matches at least once a week. They handled it so well he never even had to wear a mask after the initial lockdown, everything's been normal over there since June of last year. Brutallllll! but hopefully we can get to a similar level by end of summer
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The Israel thing is good news, but I am still skeptical on the efficacy vs new variants. We will see. Not denying the importance of vaccines, everyone should get one, but I don't think they are a silver bullet either. I hope I'm wrong.
Regarding the poll and fans allowed, I think 75% is kind of a red herring. You can't social distance with 75% capacity: it might as well be 100%. I think somewhere between 20% and 50% capacity is probably the most likely, and if I had to pick one, it is going to be on the lower end of that range for an indoor event. Which is better than 0%.
You might see outdoor baseball/football stadiums going 50% though.
I wonder if it would be possible to amplify crowd noises somehow if only 20% capacity were allowed.
Your comment about Israel is very reasonable. It does appear that those who are vaccinated but who contract a variant have less severe results than those who aren't vaccinated. But only time will tell, and I fully agree about the "silver bullet." Again, we have control of a few things, and choosing to get vaccinated is a pretty easy one. Or so one might think.
I do stand by this: If you choose not to get vaccinated, you should lose the right to complain about things not getting back to "normal."
And I agree with your percentages. I hope we can have at least 50% attendance next season, but I'll understand if it's lower.
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Your comment about Israel is very reasonable. It does appear that those who are vaccinated but who contract a variant have less severe results than those who aren't vaccinated. But only time will tell, and I fully agree about the "silver bullet." Again, we have control of a few things, and choosing to get vaccinated is a pretty easy one. Or so one might think.
I do stand by this: If you choose not to get vaccinated, you should lose the right to complain about things not getting back to "normal."
And I agree with your percentages. I hope we can have at least 50% attendance next season, but I'll understand if it's lower.
Couldn't Fiserv just request a vaccine passport via app to get in? Attendance could be upped to 100 percent, of course, Vaccine Passport via app will lower the ceiling of attendance.
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Personal opinion: If we're not at 100% by November, something went very very wrong and we have bigger problems to worry about than a basketball game. 100% just seems like a no brainer with the way things are trending.
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What messed up scenario are we in when I agree with you??
MU got rid of Wojo and suddently Deane's is a reasonable person.
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Personal opinion: If we're not at 100% by November, something went very very wrong and we have bigger problems to worry about than a basketball game. 100% just seems like a no brainer with the way things are trending.
There will never be 100% vaccination for Covid due to all of the misinformation out there, lack of intelligence, etc. Supply is already outpacing demand.
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There will never be 100% vaccination for Covid due to all of the misinformation out there, lack of intelligence, etc. Supply is already outpacing demand.
And we continue to live in a normal society back to how it was and the people who don't get vaccinated risk getting Covid. At some point we need to get back to how life was and for me that is when everyone who wants a vaccine can get one. I don't think that's an unreasonable statement. I and many others have sacrificed enough, I'm not going to give up more of my life because a small group of people refuse to take a vaccine.
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There will never be 100% vaccination for Covid due to all of the misinformation out there, lack of intelligence, etc. Supply is already outpacing demand.
There will never be 100% vaccination for Covid due to the fact Covid poses virtually no threat of any kind to a considerable percentage of the population. Sorry Deane, but not everyone that disagrees with you is lacking intelligence or suffering from misinformation.
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the fact Covid poses virtually no threat of any kind to a considerable percentage of the population.
Tell me more...and maybe get a job at the CDC! They could have really used you through all of this! sheesh.
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Couldn't Fiserv just request a vaccine passport via app to get in? Attendance could be upped to 100 percent, of course, Vaccine Passport via app will lower the ceiling of attendance.
Totally agree.
Private businesses have every right to do this, and I believe they should.
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Covid poses virtually no threat of any kind to a considerable percentage of the population.
Is that the stance of the Meyer administration?
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Totally agree.
Private businesses have every right to do this, and I believe they should.
Gets tricky if the arena receives government funding/is government owned and the legislature rules against vaccine passports.
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And we continue to live in a normal society back to how it was and the people who don't get vaccinated risk getting Covid. At some point we need to get back to how life was and for me that is when everyone who wants a vaccine can get one. I don't think that's an unreasonable statement. I and many others have sacrificed enough, I'm not going to give up more of my life because a small group of people refuse to take a vaccine.
At least you're not storming the beaches of Normandy or on patrol in Afghanistan. I mean.... it doesn't require much effort to put on a mask and wash your hands. If anything, this pandemic illustrated how weak-minded, erratic, and impulsive the United States is. This country's culture has been reduced to: How can I fix my next urge for consumer goods, food, or recreation? The individual's needs outweighs the majority's. There's a complete lack of discipline and toughness. I can only imagine China contingency planning a virus outbreak in the future in order to slow the U.S. down, while China soars ahead economically.
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What messed up scenario are we in when I agree with you??
His takes are controversial typically, but he does base a lot of what he says on numbers and logic.
Based hard truths.
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At least you're not storming the beaches of Normandy or on patrol in Afghanistan. I mean.... it doesn't require much effort to put on a mask and wash your hands. If anything, this pandemic illustrated how weak-minded, erratic, and impulsive the United States is. This country's culture has been reduced to: How can I fix my next urge for consumer goods, food, or recreation? The individual's needs outweighs the majority's. There's a complete lack of discipline and toughness. I can only imagine China contingency planning a virus outbreak in the future in order to slow the U.S. down, while China soars ahead economically.
Big time boomer take there. ;D
Why do you act like I'm not doing those things? Stop assuming everyone who disagrees with you is an anti-vax MAGA supporter. Sorry I want to travel and experience things. See friends and family etc.
I've gotten my vaccine and I will wait for others to receive theirs. Once that period is over, I will resume my life as normal.
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Why do you act like I'm not doing those things? Stop assuming everyone who disagrees with you is an anti-vax MAGA supporter. Sorry I want to travel and experience things. See friends and family etc.
I'm not saying you're anti vax MAGA. Statistically, anti vaxxers tend to be quite liberal anyways. My point is that the pandemic showed who we are as a country, during a tough time. Our true colors came out. We've gone through tougher times before and endured. I just feel that the current culture is unsustainable long term. It needs to change so we can overcome issues like this much more quickly. Most likely, in our lifetimes, something worse will come around that has a much higher death rate. It's inevitable with an ever increasing world population.
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There will never be 100% vaccination for Covid due to the fact Covid poses virtually no threat of any kind to a considerable percentage of the population. Sorry Deane, but not everyone that disagrees with you is lacking intelligence or suffering from misinformation.
You're not up aware that viruses are communicable, eh? The whole "do your part for society" piece doesn't resonate with you?
IMO, everyone too scared to get their vaccine can stay home indefinitely. No skin off my back if you need to delay your decision a few months. The rest of us will be getting back to normal life.
No shoes? No shirt? No shot? No service.
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At least you're not storming the beaches of Normandy or on patrol in Afghanistan. I mean.... it doesn't require much effort to put on a mask and wash your hands. If anything, this pandemic illustrated how weak-minded, erratic, and impulsive the United States is. This country's culture has been reduced to: How can I fix my next urge for consumer goods, food, or recreation? The individual's needs outweighs the majority's. There's a complete lack of discipline and toughness. I can only imagine China contingency planning a virus outbreak in the future in order to slow the U.S. down, while China soars ahead economically.
None of this should surprise any of us. The US is one of the richest countries in the world yet we are not even in the Top 40 in life expectancy. Canada right next door in the Top 10 when I last looked. We are not disciplined and we really don't care about our fellow Americans much at all. As long as we get to do what we want, when we want it, and how we want it, screw everyone else.
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You're not up aware that viruses are communicable, eh? The whole "do your part for society" piece doesn't resonate with you?
IMO, everyone too scared to get their vaccine can stay home indefinitely. No skin off my back if you need to delay your decision a few months. The rest of us will be getting back to normal life.
No shoes? No shirt? No shot? No service.
I'm simply pointing out the reason many people will not be vaccinated. You are implying that the vaccines don't work since apparently the virus is still communicable to those that are vaccinated which doesn't help your argument.
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I'm not saying you're anti vax MAGA. Statistically, anti vaxxers tend to be quite liberal anyways. My point is that the pandemic showed who we are as a country, during a tough time. Our true colors came out. We've gone through tougher times before and endured. I just feel that the current culture is unsustainable long term. It needs to change so we can overcome issues like this much more quickly. Most likely, in our lifetimes, something worse will come around that has a much higher death rate. It's inevitable with an ever increasing world population.
Totally agree. If Americans showed a similar level of resilience in the early 1940s, we would all be speaking German or Japanese.
We had more resilience because we had recently weathered the Great Depression, so people were more ready to sacrifice personal comfort for the common good. Nowadays, it’s “I’ll give up some social interactions for a few months...as long as I have plenty of food to eat, can binge-watch Homeland and watch the Tournament on TV, and you give me a definitive date when this ‘living hell’ will be back to normal. Oh, and I still get to hang with my usual crowd for the holidays, right?”
The absolute horror of giving up Spring Break in Cancun....
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Totally agree. If Americans showed a similar level of resilience in the early 1940s, we would all be speaking German or Japanese.
We had more resilience because we had recently weathered the Great Depression, so people were more ready to sacrifice personal comfort for the common good. Nowadays, it’s “I’ll give up some social interactions for a few months...as long as I have plenty of food to eat, can binge-watch Homeland and watch the Tournament on TV, and you give me a definitive date when this ‘living hell’ will be back to normal. Oh, and I still get to hang with my usual crowd for the holidays, right?”
The absolute horror of giving up Spring Break in Cancun....
Today, resilience for many is dealing with Joe Buck/Troy Aikman calling your local team's football game.
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What a take. Might have to give you guys a seat on Undisputed or First Take.
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None of this should surprise any of us. The US is one of the richest countries in the world yet we are not even in the Top 40 in life expectancy. Canada right next door in the Top 10 when I last looked. We are not disciplined and we really don't care about our fellow Americans much at all. As long as we get to do what we want, when we want it, and how we want it, screw everyone else.
I unfortunately agree with this take.
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Today, resilience for many is dealing with Joe Buck/Troy Aikman calling your local team's football game.
Man, ain’t that the truth 😂
I was at the US Open in 2019 with a buddy who believes Joe Buck hates the Packers and when we were close enough, I would ask the Fox cameramen why Joe Buck hates the Packers
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Man, ain’t that the truth 😂
I was at the US Open in 2019 with a buddy who believes Joe Buck hates the Packers and when we were close enough, I would ask the Fox cameramen why Joe Buck hates the Packers
The ultimate first world problem.
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Your comment about Israel is very reasonable. It does appear that those who are vaccinated but who contract a variant have less severe results than those who aren't vaccinated. But only time will tell, and I fully agree about the "silver bullet." Again, we have control of a few things, and choosing to get vaccinated is a pretty easy one. Or so one might think.
I do stand by this: If you choose not to get vaccinated, you should lose the right to complain about things not getting back to "normal."
And I agree with your percentages. I hope we can have at least 50% attendance next season, but I'll understand if it's lower.
Agree on all counts
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Man, ain’t that the truth 😂
I was at the US Open in 2019 with a buddy who believes Joe Buck hates the Packers and when we were close enough, I would ask the Fox cameramen why Joe Buck hates the Packers
Did you whisper in his ear?
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I love all the righteous indignation and scolding of those who are hesitant to get the vaccine.
Maybe those people would be convinced that being vaccinated makes a real difference if they didn't see people like Biden still being double-masked when not in close proximity to anyone else. The lack of consistent messaging from people like Fauci isn't helping matters.
I don't even think the Johnson & Johnson vaccine should have been pulled.
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I love all the righteous indignation and scolding of those who are hesitant to get the vaccine.
Page 8 and I still haven’t seen a good reason to not get the vaccine.
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Yep, just passed the 7th floor and no problems so far.
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The Israel news is extremely encouraging and, IMO, the right kind of comparison set given population density and some cultural elements/freedoms. I’ve been done taking any sort of lead or interest in NZ, as everyone should. Unless Hawaii is looking for a template on how to act, apart from the US as a whole. Remote islands with populations less than more than half of the US states and the top 15 US metro areas, not to mention basically a zero tolerance policy for individual cases, has always been a false equivalency for not only the US, but any major country with land borders, and just used as a way for people to wring their hands and point to how much better other places are doing.
At the end of the day, for me, if people can accept their children need to have the MMR vaccine among others to enter kindergarten/grade school, they can get vaccinated to start to move things back to normal, a mask-less and open travel normal
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I don't even think the Johnson & Johnson vaccine should have been pulled.
Don't you mean the Jackman & Jackman?
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The Israel news is extremely encouraging and, IMO, the right kind of comparison set given population density and some cultural elements/freedoms. I’ve been done taking any sort of lead or interest in NZ, as everyone should. Unless Hawaii is looking for a template on how to act, apart from the US as a whole. Remote islands with populations less than more than half of the US states and the top 15 US metro areas, not to mention basically a zero tolerance policy for individual cases, has always been a false equivalency for not only the US, but any major country with land borders, and just used as a way for people to wring their hands and point to how much better other places are doing.
At the end of the day, for me, if people can accept their children need to have the MMR vaccine among others to enter kindergarten/grade school, they can get vaccinated to start to move things back to normal, a mask-less and open travel normal
That’s way too logical, Wags.
I mean, people who would never challenge “no shirt, no shoes, no service” while they gorge on wings and rings, consider it a personal affront to wear a mask during a deadly pandemic to help save lives.
‘Murcia! Freedom!
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A society of narcissistic Karens and Kens.
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Page 8 and I still haven’t seen a good reason to not get the vaccine.
Here’s reasons I hear often:
1. no one really knows if there will be any long-term side affects from getting this vaccine every 6-12 months for the rest of their lives.
2. There are treatment options out there currently that help and are FDA approved. Many more in development.
3. Use of cells grown from aborted fetus cells.
4. Neither of the active vaccines use live, weakened virus like most other vaccines do. Many people said if they were to take any vaccine down the line it would be J&J (which is off the table for now and has lost a lot of credibility). The J&J vaccines uses an inactive virus to deliver.
5. The interview with the ex-VP at Pfizer
6. People’s family members I know have died from the vaccine. One was middle aged with stage 2 cancer, died 2 weeks after taking it. Her aunt, who was elderly, also took it and died shortly after. She and her family will never ever get the vaccine.
That’s all I can recall. People can use this information and everyone else’s opinions/feedback to make their own decision.
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I love all the righteous indignation and scolding of those who are hesitant to get the vaccine.
Yes, we all should save our righteous indignation and scolding for those who refuse to condemn Marquette's selection of Shaka Smart as its basketball coach.
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I love all the righteous indignation and scolding of those who are hesitant to get the vaccine.
Maybe those people would be convinced that being vaccinated makes a real difference if they didn't see people like Biden still being double-masked when not in close proximity to anyone else. The lack of consistent messaging from people like Fauci isn't helping matters.
I don't even think the Johnson & Johnson vaccine should have been pulled.
Tamar Bates would get the vaccine. That's why he's ranked so high.
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6. People’s family members I know have died from the vaccine. One was middle aged with stage 2 cancer, died 2 weeks after taking it. Her aunt, who was elderly, also took it and died shortly after. She and her family will never ever get the vaccine.
That's some incredibly bad luck - and I don't necessarily blame the family for their opinions. Literally 2000 of 134M have died after taking the vaccine (not *from the vaccine* as you state. And it doesn't sound like those two specific cases have any link to the vaccine given their condition). Nonetheless, literally 1 in 67k have died after taking the vaccine. To have 2 in a family (albeit in bad health) is unlucky.
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That's some incredibly bad luck - and I don't necessarily blame the family for their opinions. Literally 2000 of 134M have died after taking the vaccine (not *from the vaccine* as you state. And it doesn't sound like those two specific cases have any link to the vaccine given their condition). Nonetheless, literally 1 in 67k have died after taking the vaccine. To have 2 in a family (albeit in bad health) is unlucky.
So by this rationale, anyone who had stage 2 cancer and died while having COVID shouldn't be counted as a COVID death, and oh nice...neither should anyone who is elderly since COVID has no link given their condition. Interesting how when someone dies with COVID it counts as a COVID death even if they had several comorbidities, but when someone dies shortly after taking the vaccine, suddenly we need to move mountains to try to show that the vaccine was the primary cause. Why isn't the same approach applied to both? Also, the 2,000 number is something we'll probably disagree on trusting. You may call Crowd unlucky. It's possible it's all vastly underreported. You can look up what's been reported on VAERS in terms of adverse reactions. Last time I downloaded the data a few weeks ago it was 1,400 pages of reported issues (not all deaths to be clear). We're not that far into people getting the vaccine and maybe it's just me but that's a lot of stuff reported, and is obviously not even including what hasn't been reported which who knows how much that is.
Look, I've tried to be courteous and simply explain my position. Some of you have zero desire to rid all the divisiveness going on in the world and want to simply attack me, insist that I'm selfish, label me an anti-vaxer (for the record, I'm not an anti-vaxer...I'm anti THIS vaccine until there is more known about it), etc. When I said earlier I wished the best for those who have received it, I meant it and still do. I believe we are all in a crappy position and we should all start by respecting how crappy it is, and understand that we are all trying to navigate everything that is going on. There is a lot of misinformation coming from ALL angles these days and it is difficult to sift through it. I am not a fan of masks but I follow the rules, and if there are rules in place that say that I can't go to a sporting event until I get the vaccine, then I have a choice to make and I'm ok with that. Wearing a mask and injecting something into my body that is permanent are two very different things though.
So if you really must know MY reasons, in addition to some that have already been stated, here you go:
It is under emergency use authorization (EUA). To get this status they have to prove that NO other treatments are available. However, doctors have been using Ivermectin, Hydroxycloroquine, vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, quercetin, ozone therapy, etc. with success. This is why the censorship is so harsh against any doctors who try to talk about other treatments. They lose the EUA if there are other therapies. Think of all the people that go into the hospital and survive COVID, they are being treated.
To get to the 95% effective rate they use relative risk instead of absolute risk. This website explains it: https://www.healthnewsreview.org/toolkit/tips-for-understanding-studies/ absolute-vs-relative-risk/
If drug manufactures used absolute risk, no one would take their drugs. It is really common for them to report relative risk, which is basically not significant when it comes to scientific methods.
There are no studies saying the vaccine will prevent COVID or transmission.
We have no idea the side effects of this injection, both short term and long term.
There are ingredients in the injection that have not been proven safe for human use. There are also ingredients in a proprietary blend in the vaccines that are not being disclosed. Polyethylene Glycol (PEG) in the mRNA vaccines is known to cause anaphylactic reactions, yet they put it in there.
Over 90% of the people dying from COVID have 4+ comorbidities.
The PCR test is completely flawed. When else have we ever used PCR to diagnose a virus? Look into the cycle count, it should be <35 and ideally <25 for accurate results, otherwise you are looking at debris and other dead viral particles that cannot be isolated.
There are no double blind randomized controlled clinical trials, the gold standard of research. All the studies so far have been conducted by the drug manufacturers so there is bias. No animal studies have been done either and I am not sure if there are any currently being done.
Does the survival rate of 99.6% for those <70 justify me getting this injection?
New research is emerging that it is probable the mRNA can reverse transcribe into our DNA under the right conditions.
No products with the primary ingredient mRNA have ever been FDA approved.
It affects both the innate and adaptive immune system. Vaccines are given to stimulate the adaptive system so we really don’t know the effects this will have on our innate system, which is our first line of defense.
Vaccine manufactures are not held liable for any adverse reactions.
If some of you want to continue to throw hate & shade my way, so be it. Like with any major life decision, I am simply trying to make the most informed decision possible. I'm not just some "tin foil idiot" or whatever word of the day MU82 likes to use from atop his righteous throne. Maybe we can all learn to respect each other and understand that navigating this is challenging, and if that means I have to follow certain rules until I decide to get the vaccine or until I essentially wait it out, so be it. Pardon me for not wanting to jump in line for a vaccine that is unlike any other ever developed. Peace.
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So by this rationale, anyone who had stage 2 cancer and died while having COVID shouldn't be counted as a COVID death, and oh nice...neither should anyone who is elderly since COVID has no link given their condition. Interesting how when someone dies with COVID it counts as a COVID death even if they had several comorbidities, but when someone dies shortly after taking the vaccine, suddenly we need to move mountains to try to show that the vaccine was the primary cause. Why isn't the same approach applied to both? Also, the 2,000 number is something we'll probably disagree on trusting. You may call Crowd unlucky. It's possible it's all vastly underreported. You can look up what's been reported on VAERS in terms of adverse reactions. Last time I downloaded the data a few weeks ago it was 1,400 pages of reported issues (not all deaths to be clear). We're not that far into people getting the vaccine and maybe it's just me but that's a lot of stuff reported, and is obviously not even including what hasn't been reported which who knows how much that is.
Look, I've tried to be courteous and simply explain my position. Some of you have zero desire to rid all the divisiveness going on in the world and want to simply attack me, insist that I'm selfish, label me an anti-vaxer (for the record, I'm not an anti-vaxer...I'm anti THIS vaccine until there is more known about it), etc. When I said earlier I wished the best for those who have received it, I meant it and still do. I believe we are all in a crappy position and we should all start by respecting how crappy it is, and understand that we are all trying to navigate everything that is going on. There is a lot of misinformation coming from ALL angles these days and it is difficult to sift through it. I am not a fan of masks but I follow the rules, and if there are rules in place that say that I can't go to a sporting event until I get the vaccine, then I have a choice to make and I'm ok with that. Wearing a mask and injecting something into my body that is permanent are two very different things though.
So if you really must know MY reasons, in addition to some that have already been stated, here you go:
It is under emergency use authorization (EUA). To get this status they have to prove that NO other treatments are available. However, doctors have been using Ivermectin, Hydroxycloroquine, vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, quercetin, ozone therapy, etc. with success. This is why the censorship is so harsh against any doctors who try to talk about other treatments. They lose the EUA if there are other therapies. Think of all the people that go into the hospital and survive COVID, they are being treated.
To get to the 95% effective rate they use relative risk instead of absolute risk. This website explains it: https://www.healthnewsreview.org/toolkit/tips-for-understanding-studies/ absolute-vs-relative-risk/
If drug manufactures used absolute risk, no one would take their drugs. It is really common for them to report relative risk, which is basically not significant when it comes to scientific methods.
There are no studies saying the vaccine will prevent COVID or transmission.
We have no idea the side effects of this injection, both short term and long term.
There are ingredients in the injection that have not been proven safe for human use. There are also ingredients in a proprietary blend in the vaccines that are not being disclosed. Polyethylene Glycol (PEG) in the mRNA vaccines is known to cause anaphylactic reactions, yet they put it in there.
Over 90% of the people dying from COVID have 4+ comorbidities.
The PCR test is completely flawed. When else have we ever used PCR to diagnose a virus? Look into the cycle count, it should be <35 and ideally <25 for accurate results, otherwise you are looking at debris and other dead viral particles that cannot be isolated.
There are no double blind randomized controlled clinical trials, the gold standard of research. All the studies so far have been conducted by the drug manufacturers so there is bias. No animal studies have been done either and I am not sure if there are any currently being done.
Does the survival rate of 99.6% for those <70 justify me getting this injection?
New research is emerging that it is probable the mRNA can reverse transcribe into our DNA under the right conditions.
No products with the primary ingredient mRNA have ever been FDA approved.
It affects both the innate and adaptive immune system. Vaccines are given to stimulate the adaptive system so we really don’t know the effects this will have on our innate system, which is our first line of defense.
Vaccine manufactures are not held liable for any adverse reactions.
If some of you want to continue to throw hate & shade my way, so be it. Like with any major life decision, I am simply trying to make the most informed decision possible. I'm not just some "tin foil idiot" or whatever word of the day MU82 likes to use from atop his righteous throne. Maybe we can all learn to respect each other and understand that navigating this is challenging, and if that means I have to follow certain rules until I decide to get the vaccine or until I essentially wait it out, so be it. Pardon me for not wanting to jump in line for a vaccine that is unlike any other ever developed. Peace.
Nah. You’re still a selfish, anti science moron. Your position is irresponsible.
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The first paragraph tells me everything I need to know
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So by this rationale, anyone who had stage 2 cancer and died while having COVID shouldn't be counted as a COVID death, and oh nice...neither should anyone who is elderly since COVID has no link given their condition. Interesting how when someone dies with COVID it counts as a COVID death even if they had several comorbidities, but when someone dies shortly after taking the vaccine, suddenly we need to move mountains to try to show that the vaccine was the primary cause. Why isn't the same approach applied to both? Also, the 2,000 number is something we'll probably disagree on trusting. You may call Crowd unlucky. It's possible it's all vastly underreported. You can look up what's been reported on VAERS in terms of adverse reactions. Last time I downloaded the data a few weeks ago it was 1,400 pages of reported issues (not all deaths to be clear). We're not that far into people getting the vaccine and maybe it's just me but that's a lot of stuff reported, and is obviously not even including what hasn't been reported which who knows how much that is.
Look, I've tried to be courteous and simply explain my position. Some of you have zero desire to rid all the divisiveness going on in the world and want to simply attack me, insist that I'm selfish, label me an anti-vaxer (for the record, I'm not an anti-vaxer...I'm anti THIS vaccine until there is more known about it), etc. When I said earlier I wished the best for those who have received it, I meant it and still do. I believe we are all in a crappy position and we should all start by respecting how crappy it is, and understand that we are all trying to navigate everything that is going on. There is a lot of misinformation coming from ALL angles these days and it is difficult to sift through it. I am not a fan of masks but I follow the rules, and if there are rules in place that say that I can't go to a sporting event until I get the vaccine, then I have a choice to make and I'm ok with that. Wearing a mask and injecting something into my body that is permanent are two very different things though.
So if you really must know MY reasons, in addition to some that have already been stated, here you go:
It is under emergency use authorization (EUA). To get this status they have to prove that NO other treatments are available. However, doctors have been using Ivermectin, Hydroxycloroquine, vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, quercetin, ozone therapy, etc. with success. This is why the censorship is so harsh against any doctors who try to talk about other treatments. They lose the EUA if there are other therapies. Think of all the people that go into the hospital and survive COVID, they are being treated.
To get to the 95% effective rate they use relative risk instead of absolute risk. This website explains it: https://www.healthnewsreview.org/toolkit/tips-for-understanding-studies/ absolute-vs-relative-risk/
If drug manufactures used absolute risk, no one would take their drugs. It is really common for them to report relative risk, which is basically not significant when it comes to scientific methods.
There are no studies saying the vaccine will prevent COVID or transmission.
We have no idea the side effects of this injection, both short term and long term.
There are ingredients in the injection that have not been proven safe for human use. There are also ingredients in a proprietary blend in the vaccines that are not being disclosed. Polyethylene Glycol (PEG) in the mRNA vaccines is known to cause anaphylactic reactions, yet they put it in there.
Over 90% of the people dying from COVID have 4+ comorbidities.
The PCR test is completely flawed. When else have we ever used PCR to diagnose a virus? Look into the cycle count, it should be <35 and ideally <25 for accurate results, otherwise you are looking at debris and other dead viral particles that cannot be isolated.
There are no double blind randomized controlled clinical trials, the gold standard of research. All the studies so far have been conducted by the drug manufacturers so there is bias. No animal studies have been done either and I am not sure if there are any currently being done.
Does the survival rate of 99.6% for those <70 justify me getting this injection?
New research is emerging that it is probable the mRNA can reverse transcribe into our DNA under the right conditions.
No products with the primary ingredient mRNA have ever been FDA approved.
It affects both the innate and adaptive immune system. Vaccines are given to stimulate the adaptive system so we really don’t know the effects this will have on our innate system, which is our first line of defense.
Vaccine manufactures are not held liable for any adverse reactions.
If some of you want to continue to throw hate & shade my way, so be it. Like with any major life decision, I am simply trying to make the most informed decision possible. I'm not just some "tin foil idiot" or whatever word of the day MU82 likes to use from atop his righteous throne. Maybe we can all learn to respect each other and understand that navigating this is challenging, and if that means I have to follow certain rules until I decide to get the vaccine or until I essentially wait it out, so be it. Pardon me for not wanting to jump in line for a vaccine that is unlike any other ever developed. Peace.
There is so much misinformation in here. Maybe if my day isn’t filled with COVID patients in ICU I can get to it all.
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So by this rationale, anyone who had stage 2 cancer and died while having COVID shouldn't be counted as a COVID death, and oh nice...neither should anyone who is elderly since COVID has no link given their condition. Interesting how when someone dies with COVID it counts as a COVID death even if they had several comorbidities, but when someone dies shortly after taking the vaccine, suddenly we need to move mountains to try to show that the vaccine was the primary cause. Why isn't the same approach applied to both? Also, the 2,000 number is something we'll probably disagree on trusting. You may call Crowd unlucky. It's possible it's all vastly underreported. You can look up what's been reported on VAERS in terms of adverse reactions. Last time I downloaded the data a few weeks ago it was 1,400 pages of reported issues (not all deaths to be clear). We're not that far into people getting the vaccine and maybe it's just me but that's a lot of stuff reported, and is obviously not even including what hasn't been reported which who knows how much that is.
Look, I've tried to be courteous and simply explain my position. Some of you have zero desire to rid all the divisiveness going on in the world and want to simply attack me, insist that I'm selfish, label me an anti-vaxer (for the record, I'm not an anti-vaxer...I'm anti THIS vaccine until there is more known about it), etc. When I said earlier I wished the best for those who have received it, I meant it and still do. I believe we are all in a crappy position and we should all start by respecting how crappy it is, and understand that we are all trying to navigate everything that is going on. There is a lot of misinformation coming from ALL angles these days and it is difficult to sift through it. I am not a fan of masks but I follow the rules, and if there are rules in place that say that I can't go to a sporting event until I get the vaccine, then I have a choice to make and I'm ok with that. Wearing a mask and injecting something into my body that is permanent are two very different things though.
So if you really must know MY reasons, in addition to some that have already been stated, here you go:
It is under emergency use authorization (EUA). To get this status they have to prove that NO other treatments are available. However, doctors have been using Ivermectin, Hydroxycloroquine, vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, quercetin, ozone therapy, etc. with success. This is why the censorship is so harsh against any doctors who try to talk about other treatments. They lose the EUA if there are other therapies. Think of all the people that go into the hospital and survive COVID, they are being treated.
To get to the 95% effective rate they use relative risk instead of absolute risk. This website explains it: https://www.healthnewsreview.org/toolkit/tips-for-understanding-studies/ absolute-vs-relative-risk/
If drug manufactures used absolute risk, no one would take their drugs. It is really common for them to report relative risk, which is basically not significant when it comes to scientific methods.
There are no studies saying the vaccine will prevent COVID or transmission.
We have no idea the side effects of this injection, both short term and long term.
There are ingredients in the injection that have not been proven safe for human use. There are also ingredients in a proprietary blend in the vaccines that are not being disclosed. Polyethylene Glycol (PEG) in the mRNA vaccines is known to cause anaphylactic reactions, yet they put it in there.
Over 90% of the people dying from COVID have 4+ comorbidities.
The PCR test is completely flawed. When else have we ever used PCR to diagnose a virus? Look into the cycle count, it should be <35 and ideally <25 for accurate results, otherwise you are looking at debris and other dead viral particles that cannot be isolated.
There are no double blind randomized controlled clinical trials, the gold standard of research. All the studies so far have been conducted by the drug manufacturers so there is bias. No animal studies have been done either and I am not sure if there are any currently being done.
Does the survival rate of 99.6% for those <70 justify me getting this injection?
New research is emerging that it is probable the mRNA can reverse transcribe into our DNA under the right conditions.
No products with the primary ingredient mRNA have ever been FDA approved.
It affects both the innate and adaptive immune system. Vaccines are given to stimulate the adaptive system so we really don’t know the effects this will have on our innate system, which is our first line of defense.
Vaccine manufactures are not held liable for any adverse reactions.
If some of you want to continue to throw hate & shade my way, so be it. Like with any major life decision, I am simply trying to make the most informed decision possible. I'm not just some "tin foil idiot" or whatever word of the day MU82 likes to use from atop his righteous throne. Maybe we can all learn to respect each other and understand that navigating this is challenging, and if that means I have to follow certain rules until I decide to get the vaccine or until I essentially wait it out, so be it. Pardon me for not wanting to jump in line for a vaccine that is unlike any other ever developed. Peace.
Thanks for your service
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So by this rationale, anyone who had stage 2 cancer and died while having COVID shouldn't be counted as a COVID death, and oh nice...neither should anyone who is elderly since COVID has no link given their condition. Interesting how when someone dies with COVID it counts as a COVID death even if they had several comorbidities, but when someone dies shortly after taking the vaccine, suddenly we need to move mountains to try to show that the vaccine was the primary cause. Why isn't the same approach applied to both? Also, the 2,000 number is something we'll probably disagree on trusting. You may call Crowd unlucky. It's possible it's all vastly underreported. You can look up what's been reported on VAERS in terms of adverse reactions. Last time I downloaded the data a few weeks ago it was 1,400 pages of reported issues (not all deaths to be clear). We're not that far into people getting the vaccine and maybe it's just me but that's a lot of stuff reported, and is obviously not even including what hasn't been reported which who knows how much that is.
Look, I've tried to be courteous and simply explain my position. Some of you have zero desire to rid all the divisiveness going on in the world and want to simply attack me, insist that I'm selfish, label me an anti-vaxer (for the record, I'm not an anti-vaxer...I'm anti THIS vaccine until there is more known about it), etc. When I said earlier I wished the best for those who have received it, I meant it and still do. I believe we are all in a crappy position and we should all start by respecting how crappy it is, and understand that we are all trying to navigate everything that is going on. There is a lot of misinformation coming from ALL angles these days and it is difficult to sift through it. I am not a fan of masks but I follow the rules, and if there are rules in place that say that I can't go to a sporting event until I get the vaccine, then I have a choice to make and I'm ok with that. Wearing a mask and injecting something into my body that is permanent are two very different things though.
So if you really must know MY reasons, in addition to some that have already been stated, here you go:
It is under emergency use authorization (EUA). To get this status they have to prove that NO other treatments are available. However, doctors have been using Ivermectin, Hydroxycloroquine, vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, quercetin, ozone therapy, etc. with success. This is why the censorship is so harsh against any doctors who try to talk about other treatments. They lose the EUA if there are other therapies. Think of all the people that go into the hospital and survive COVID, they are being treated.
To get to the 95% effective rate they use relative risk instead of absolute risk. This website explains it: https://www.healthnewsreview.org/toolkit/tips-for-understanding-studies/ absolute-vs-relative-risk/
If drug manufactures used absolute risk, no one would take their drugs. It is really common for them to report relative risk, which is basically not significant when it comes to scientific methods.
There are no studies saying the vaccine will prevent COVID or transmission.
We have no idea the side effects of this injection, both short term and long term.
There are ingredients in the injection that have not been proven safe for human use. There are also ingredients in a proprietary blend in the vaccines that are not being disclosed. Polyethylene Glycol (PEG) in the mRNA vaccines is known to cause anaphylactic reactions, yet they put it in there.
Over 90% of the people dying from COVID have 4+ comorbidities.
The PCR test is completely flawed. When else have we ever used PCR to diagnose a virus? Look into the cycle count, it should be <35 and ideally <25 for accurate results, otherwise you are looking at debris and other dead viral particles that cannot be isolated.
There are no double blind randomized controlled clinical trials, the gold standard of research. All the studies so far have been conducted by the drug manufacturers so there is bias. No animal studies have been done either and I am not sure if there are any currently being done.
Does the survival rate of 99.6% for those <70 justify me getting this injection?
New research is emerging that it is probable the mRNA can reverse transcribe into our DNA under the right conditions.
No products with the primary ingredient mRNA have ever been FDA approved.
It affects both the innate and adaptive immune system. Vaccines are given to stimulate the adaptive system so we really don’t know the effects this will have on our innate system, which is our first line of defense.
Vaccine manufactures are not held liable for any adverse reactions.
If some of you want to continue to throw hate & shade my way, so be it. Like with any major life decision, I am simply trying to make the most informed decision possible. I'm not just some "tin foil idiot" or whatever word of the day MU82 likes to use from atop his righteous throne. Maybe we can all learn to respect each other and understand that navigating this is challenging, and if that means I have to follow certain rules until I decide to get the vaccine or until I essentially wait it out, so be it. Pardon me for not wanting to jump in line for a vaccine that is unlike any other ever developed. Peace.
All the misinformation greatest hits, now complied into one seriously long post.
Instead of respecting each other, start with respecting science.
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If some of you want to continue to throw hate & shade my way, so be it. Like with any major life decision, I am simply trying to make the most informed decision possible. I'm not just some "tin foil idiot" or whatever word of the day MU82 likes to use from atop his righteous throne. Maybe we can all learn to respect each other and understand that navigating this is challenging, and if that means I have to follow certain rules until I decide to get the vaccine or until I essentially wait it out, so be it. Pardon me for not wanting to jump in line for a vaccine that is unlike any other ever developed. Peace.
I'm sorry, I can't learn to respect people who refuse to listen to experts and instead want to make their own 'most informed decision possible'. That is incompatible. And I can see from your 'research' you're latched on to a specific line of thought.
You're like a child wandering the woods, and you've been offered food, water, and map but would rather die trying to find his way out on his own.
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There is so much misinformation in here. Maybe if my day isn’t filled with COVID patients in ICU I can get to it all.
Ya. I was thinking we’d have full sports. And maybe we will. But now I have my doubts. I (and maybe Brew can attest to this on his routes?) have admitted more and more covid patients to the ICU from our ED’s over the last two weeks than I had in the last 2 months. But it’s younger people now that we are admitting. Our ED’s are def seeing an uptick of covid patients.
I can appreciate peoples hesitancy to get the vaccine. But I wish the hesitancy was due to actual science concerns instead of nonfactual Facebook conspiracy’s. 🥴
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Ya. I was thinking we’d have full sports. And maybe we will. But now I have my doubts. I (and maybe Brew can attest to this on his routes?) have admitted more and more covid patients to the ICU from our ED’s over the last two weeks than I had in the last 2 months. But it’s younger people now that we are admitting. Our ED’s are def seeing an uptick of covid patients.
I can appreciate peoples hesitancy to get the vaccine. But I wish the hesitancy was due to actual science concerns instead of nonfactual Facebook conspiracy’s. 🥴
We've definitely seen an uptick as well. Though it does seem like more people are willing to stay home with it than they were the first time around when they aren't serious cases. Of course this is just anecdotal, but we really had a lull for a few months from mid-January to the end of March. I imagine much of that was crappy weather keeping people at home as well.
On the upside I'm seeing more vaccinations in the public as well. In general, people are getting it when they can. But misinformation and politics still play a heavy role. It amazes me how many people of a certain political shade that work in healthcare and have seen the ravages of this up close are still deniers or vaccine hesitant.
I'm not sure what the answer is, but I suspect it isn't helped by politicians on either side of the aisle. Politicians that deny or are hesitant harm the willingness to get the vaccine, and those that are hesitant won't listen to anyone on the other side of the aisle. I also don't think the CDC helps much in that regard because even when people are politically neutral, they are viewed as having a political stripe. I think it will largely come down to more local healthcare providers, primary physicians and their nurses, to convince people the importance of getting vaccinated.
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One more round of Biden Bucks + Vaccination Passport = Herd Immunity
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I've never been comfortable with what I see as government overreach but I also understand that there are times and situations when the rights of the individual cannot be unlimited and when the rights/welfare of the general public must take precedence. This decision should not be taken lightly. It can very easily get out of control. So it goes against my inclination to see that vaccine passports may be the way to resolve the conflict between those who refuse to get vaccinated and those who have been vaccinated.
Cones mentioned "if that means I have to follow certain rules until I decide to get the vaccine...". Let a passport be required for admission to arenas, concerts, restaurants, air travel, etc. Those who refuse to be vaccinated can continue to follow their beliefs, but in semi isolation or with others who share their beliefs.
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There is so much misinformation in here. Maybe if my day isn’t filled with COVID patients in ICU I can get to it all.
I was just about to post this almost verbatim. Although, I have contracts to review instead of patients in the ICU. So, I mean... yours holds more weight. ;D\
This is seriously the mother load of misinformation and flat out falsehoods. No wonder people are hesitant if this is what they are being fed on their mommy blogs.
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Cones mentioned "if that means I have to follow certain rules until I decide to get the vaccine...". Let a passport be required for admission to arenas, concerts, restaurants, air travel, etc. Those who refuse to be vaccinated can continue to follow their beliefs, but in semi isolation or with others who share their beliefs.
Lets not give more of our privacy/personal information to private companies please and set up more checkpoints.
Similar to the "if you have nothing to hide then why does it matter" argument.
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Lets not give more of our privacy/personal information to private companies please and set up more checkpoints.
Similar to the "if you have nothing to hide then why does it matter" argument.
I disagree with the privacy concern. Your smartphone has more personal information about you than a passport app would.
Passport app: Verified identity, have they been vaccinated
Your smartphone: Verified identity, full text of all emails, full text of all texts, voice recordings of all calls, all voicemails, who you're related too, close friends + colleagues and their personal info, all incidental speech around your phone if you have voice commands enabled, every website you visit, every app you have installed, usernames and passwords for every website and app, etc...
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I disagree with the privacy concern. Your smartphone has more personal information about you than a passport app would.
Passport app: Verified identity, have they been vaccinated
Your smartphone: Verified identity, full text of all emails, full text of all texts, voice recordings of all calls, all voicemails, who you're related too, close friends + colleagues and their personal info, all incidental speech around your phone if you have voice commands enabled, every website you visit, every app you have installed, usernames and passwords for every website and app, etc...
Don't forget that cell phones also have non stop geo location, even when they're off. So it even knows your daily routine.
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I disagree with the privacy concern. Your smartphone has more personal information about you than a passport app would.
Passport app: Verified identity, have they been vaccinated
Your smartphone: Verified identity, full text of all emails, full text of all texts, voice recordings of all calls, all voicemails, who you're related too, close friends + colleagues and their personal info, all incidental speech around your phone if you have voice commands enabled, every website you visit, every app you have installed, usernames and passwords for every website and app, etc...
So because it's already bad, who cares if it gets worse? Not the best logic there. Why not let the government just openly track everyone? Would help stop potential criminals.
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So because it's already bad, who cares if it gets worse? Not the best logic there. Why not let the government just openly track everyone? Would help stop potential criminals.
Is the incremental bit of data: "vaccinated: yes/no?" actually "worse"?
also.... I'm pretty sure the NSA already does. The ship on "let's not be a police state" sailed a long, long, time ago.
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Is the incremental bit of data: "vaccinated: yes/no?" actually "worse"?
also.... I'm pretty sure the NSA already does. The ship on "let's not be a police state" sailed a long, long, time ago.
So lets just give up all of our privacy then. I dont get this "it's already bad, so who cares" argument.
Give an inch, they take a mile and so on. We've gone from helping not overload our hospitals, to showing your vaccination papers to a bouncer. I'm fine with mandating it in schools and international travel once it's fully approved, but local bars and events? No.
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So lets just give up all of our privacy then. I dont get this "it's already bad, so who cares" argument.
Give an inch, they take a mile and so on. We've gone from helping not overloading our hospitals, to showing your vaccination papers to a bouncer.
It's not an argument that "it's already bad, so who cares." It's an argument that vaccine status, *a thing that we never cared about before when it was TDAP and preschool* is not a bad piece of data to be tracked?
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So lets just give up all of our privacy then. I dont get this "it's already bad, so who cares" argument.
Give an inch, they take a mile and so on. We've gone from helping not overload our hospitals, to showing your vaccination papers to a bouncer.
Slippery slope logical fallacy
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Slippery slope logical fallacy
Head in the sand. Probably said this about the Patriot act too.
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It's not an argument that "it's already bad, so who cares." It's an argument that vaccine status, *a thing that we never cared about before when it was TDAP and preschool* is not a bad piece of data to be tracked?
Edited above: I'm fine with mandating it in schools and international travel once it's fully approved, but showing it every time I go to local bars and events? No.
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So lets just give up all of our privacy then. I dont get this "it's already bad, so who cares" argument.
Give an inch, they take a mile and so on. We've gone from helping not overload our hospitals, to showing your vaccination papers to a bouncer. I'm fine with mandating it in schools and international travel once it's fully approved, but local bars and events? No.
To paraphrase: We know they track our information for BAD purposes, so we shouldn't let them track our information for GOOD purposes that promote public health.
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To paraphrase: We know they track our information for BAD purposes, so we shouldn't let them track our information for GOOD purposes that promote public health.
I'm sure trusting corporations on subjective measures has never proven to go bad in the long run.
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Edited above: I'm fine with mandating it in schools and international travel once it's fully approved, but showing it every time I go to local bars and events? No.
What if your local bar and event space doesn't want to let unvaccinated people put their staff and other patrons at risk? Why do public health considerations give a school more rights regarding controlling knowledge of vaccine status than a private bar has?
(edited to fix a stray apostrophe)
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What if your local bar and event space doesn't want to let unvaccinated people put their staff and other patron's at risk? Why do public health considerations give a school more rights regarding controlling knowledge of vaccine status than a private bar has?
If the individual bar wants to do it, I'm fine with it. I'm against mandating it a requirement for all establishments. I just won't go there and support it.
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I'm sure trusting corporations on subjective measures has never proven to go bad in the long run.
Good effort with the shiny objects.
But vaccination status is NOT a 'subjective measure.'
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If the individual bar wants to do it, I'm fine with it. I'm against mandating it a requirement for all establishments. I just won't go there and support it.
Cool, then why so much issue with providing those establishments with the means to make those decisions on their own?
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Stop with the shiny objects.
Vaccination status is NOT a 'subjective measure.'
GOOD vs BAD is subjective. Which is what you said.
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Cool, then why so much issue with providing those establishments with the means to make those decisions on their own?
It's an issue I feel strongly about. Just stating my side which I said I wouldn't do early, but I'm bored at work. You guys are clearly more comfortable sacrificing your privacy than I am. I also believe this is just going to cause more divide among the current sides and the last thing this country needs is more division.
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GOOD vs BAD is subjective. Which is what you said.
And you already admitted tracking vaccination status is a good purpose when you said you'd be alright with airlines or your local bar tracking it.
So huge airline is ok. Local bar is ok. But anything in between (MU hoops) is not ok? Interesting logic.
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And you already admitted tracking vaccination status is a good purpose when you said you'd be alright with airlines or your local bar tracking it.
So huge airline is ok. Local bar is ok. But anything in between (MU hoops) is not ok? Interesting logic.
I didn't mean airline. I meant if a foreign government requires it. Who owns the Fiserv Forum?
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I didn't mean airline. I meant if a foreign government requires it. Who owns the Fiserv Forum?
So it's okay if a government demands this information but not okay if a private entity does? Who, precisely, are you afraid of misusing your private information?
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So it's okay if a government demands this information but not okay if a private entity does? Who, precisely, are you afraid of misusing your private information?
I have no control over what a foreign government can do, but I can affect my local government. I hope our legislation puts something into motion this year that prevents this.
The less private information out there the better.
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It's an issue I feel strongly about. Just stating my side which I said I wouldn't do early, but I'm bored at work. You guys are clearly more comfortable sacrificing your privacy than I am. I also believe this is just going to cause more divide among the current sides and the last thing this country needs is more division.
Honestly, I agree with you about privacy. I think we've given away far too much, and that it started with the Patriot act.
Having said that, I think a non-mandatory vaccine passport is a fine idea, and I agree that it should not be required for entry into private businesses. It should be encouraged, but not required. If you want to have a bar and you want to require it to enter, great, if not that knowledge should be available to anyone.
Personally, I'd be only going to businesses or events that required the passport. And I *think* a lot of businesses that won't require such a passport would suffer financially as a result.
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Head in the sand. Probably said this about the Patriot act too.
Well I was in 6th grade when the patriot act was put into place so if I recall correctly I said "hmm, interesting. can we watch Harry Potter now?"
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I have no control over what a foreign government can do, but I can affect my local government. I hope our legislation puts something into motion this year that prevents this.
The less private information out there the better.
Just ridiculous. Continuation of selfishness.
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Honestly, I agree with you about privacy. I think we've given away far too much, and that it started with the Patriot act.
Having said that, I think a non-mandatory vaccine passport is a fine idea, and I agree that it should not be required for entry into private businesses. It should be encouraged, but not required. If you want to have a bar and you want to require it to enter, great, if not that knowledge should be available to anyone.
Personally, I'd be only going to businesses or events that required the passport. And I *think* a lot of businesses that won't require such a passport would suffer financially as a result.
Bolded, thank you!
Italicized, I'd disagree here based on all the lines I see outside of bars at 9pm. Vaccines basically have 100% success against serious COVID issues so I'd feel comfortable going anywhere.
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So by this rationale, anyone who had stage 2 cancer and died while having COVID shouldn't be counted as a COVID death, and oh nice...neither should anyone who is elderly since COVID has no link given their condition. Interesting how when someone dies with COVID it counts as a COVID death even if they had several comorbidities, but when someone dies shortly after taking the vaccine, suddenly we need to move mountains to try to show that the vaccine was the primary cause. Why isn't the same approach applied to both? Also, the 2,000 number is something we'll probably disagree on trusting. You may call Crowd unlucky. It's possible it's all vastly underreported. You can look up what's been reported on VAERS in terms of adverse reactions. Last time I downloaded the data a few weeks ago it was 1,400 pages of reported issues (not all deaths to be clear). We're not that far into people getting the vaccine and maybe it's just me but that's a lot of stuff reported, and is obviously not even including what hasn't been reported which who knows how much that is.
Look, I've tried to be courteous and simply explain my position. Some of you have zero desire to rid all the divisiveness going on in the world and want to simply attack me, insist that I'm selfish, label me an anti-vaxer (for the record, I'm not an anti-vaxer...I'm anti THIS vaccine until there is more known about it), etc. When I said earlier I wished the best for those who have received it, I meant it and still do. I believe we are all in a crappy position and we should all start by respecting how crappy it is, and understand that we are all trying to navigate everything that is going on. There is a lot of misinformation coming from ALL angles these days and it is difficult to sift through it. I am not a fan of masks but I follow the rules, and if there are rules in place that say that I can't go to a sporting event until I get the vaccine, then I have a choice to make and I'm ok with that. Wearing a mask and injecting something into my body that is permanent are two very different things though.
So if you really must know MY reasons, in addition to some that have already been stated, here you go:
It is under emergency use authorization (EUA). To get this status they have to prove that NO other treatments are available. However, doctors have been using Ivermectin, Hydroxycloroquine, vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, quercetin, ozone therapy, etc. with success. This is why the censorship is so harsh against any doctors who try to talk about other treatments. They lose the EUA if there are other therapies. Think of all the people that go into the hospital and survive COVID, they are being treated.
To get to the 95% effective rate they use relative risk instead of absolute risk. This website explains it: https://www.healthnewsreview.org/toolkit/tips-for-understanding-studies/ absolute-vs-relative-risk/
If drug manufactures used absolute risk, no one would take their drugs. It is really common for them to report relative risk, which is basically not significant when it comes to scientific methods.
There are no studies saying the vaccine will prevent COVID or transmission.
We have no idea the side effects of this injection, both short term and long term.
There are ingredients in the injection that have not been proven safe for human use. There are also ingredients in a proprietary blend in the vaccines that are not being disclosed. Polyethylene Glycol (PEG) in the mRNA vaccines is known to cause anaphylactic reactions, yet they put it in there.
Over 90% of the people dying from COVID have 4+ comorbidities.
The PCR test is completely flawed. When else have we ever used PCR to diagnose a virus? Look into the cycle count, it should be <35 and ideally <25 for accurate results, otherwise you are looking at debris and other dead viral particles that cannot be isolated.
There are no double blind randomized controlled clinical trials, the gold standard of research. All the studies so far have been conducted by the drug manufacturers so there is bias. No animal studies have been done either and I am not sure if there are any currently being done.
Does the survival rate of 99.6% for those <70 justify me getting this injection?
New research is emerging that it is probable the mRNA can reverse transcribe into our DNA under the right conditions.
No products with the primary ingredient mRNA have ever been FDA approved.
It affects both the innate and adaptive immune system. Vaccines are given to stimulate the adaptive system so we really don’t know the effects this will have on our innate system, which is our first line of defense.
Vaccine manufactures are not held liable for any adverse reactions.
If some of you want to continue to throw hate & shade my way, so be it. Like with any major life decision, I am simply trying to make the most informed decision possible. I'm not just some "tin foil idiot" or whatever word of the day MU82 likes to use from atop his righteous throne. Maybe we can all learn to respect each other and understand that navigating this is challenging, and if that means I have to follow certain rules until I decide to get the vaccine or until I essentially wait it out, so be it. Pardon me for not wanting to jump in line for a vaccine that is unlike any other ever developed. Peace.
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Just ridiculous. Continuation of selfishness.
Ah when someone else disagrees, just attack them. Signs of a strong argument.
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I have no control over what a foreign government can do, but I can affect my local government. I hope our legislation puts something into motion this year that prevents this.
The less private information out there the better.
You also said you're OK with schools using it, again acknowledging that tracking vaccine status for public health purposes is a GOOD purpose.
So why allow some entities to require it for public health purposes, but not others.
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You also said you're OK with schools using it, again acknowledging that tracking vaccine status for public health purposes is a GOOD purpose.
So why allow some entities to require it for public health purposes, but not others.
Can I show my paper card to one random school administrator and never have to show it again to anyone else? If so, we might have a compromise.
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Can I show my paper card to one random school administrator and never have to show it again to anyone else? If so, we might have a compromise.
That wasn't what you said above. You said "I'm fine with mandating it in schools." No limitation to 'one random school administrator'....because that isn't how it works in schools.
Edited above: I'm fine with mandating it in schools and international travel once it's fully approved, but showing it every time I go to local bars and events? No.
Now you're backtracking.
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That wasn't what you said above. You said "I'm fine with mandating it in schools."
Now you're backtracking.
No I'm not.
In the end of the day, I hope that I don't have to worry about this and our legislation passes something preventing this.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/01/two-gop-lawmakers-seek-bar-vaccine-passports-wisconsin/4840575001/
Looks like it's already been started.
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No I'm not.
You were OK with mandating it in schools. That means providing documentation, which then goes into a permanent record.
Now you just want to show it to 'one random school administrator.'
Backtracking.
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Look, I think what brother Wolf is getting at is that if you have to show your device or whatever the passport ends up being that has the ability for the government to be able to track your movements, your habits, etc. And remember, you're volunteering to give this information. It's one thing to have a corporation tracking where you are and what you're buying, etc... but it is entirely different when the government is involved. Who is to say how they will use this new surveillance tool? You're volunteering your location to them anytime that passport is scanned. That information could be used in court to determine where you were and could make you a suspect in a crime you had nothing to do with. The last thing we need in this country is more warrant-less tracking.
Now, having said all of that, the government can basically already track what anyone does. But we need to make sure that the way they do that is legal. The moment you volunteer that information all bets are off.
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Look, I think what brother Wolf is getting at is that if you have to show your device or whatever the passport ends up being that has the ability for the government to be able to track your movements, your habits, etc. And remember, you're volunteering to give this information. It's one thing to have a corporation tracking where you are and what you're buying, etc... but it is entirely different when the government is involved. Who is to say how they will use this new surveillance tool? You're volunteering your location to them anytime that passport is scanned. That information could be used in court to determine where you were and could make you a suspect in a crime you had nothing to do with. The last thing we need in this country is more warrant-less tracking.
Now, having said all of that, the government can basically already track what anyone does. But we need to make sure that the way they do that is legal. The moment you volunteer that information all bets are off.
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"Americans should not have to trade their privacy at the expense of public health needs" - Senators last April.
Bob Menendez, D-New Jersey, Richard Blumenthal, D-Connecticut, Kamala Harris, D-California, and Cory Booker, D-New Jersey
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In the end of the day, I hope that I don't have to worry about this and our legislation passes something preventing this.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2021/04/01/two-gop-lawmakers-seek-bar-vaccine-passports-wisconsin/4840575001/
Looks like it's already been started.
So you don't want big, bad gubmint butting into your business for public health purposes, but you're ok with gubmint stepping in and telling individual businesses what they can and can't do to promote an environment they feel is appropriate for their businesses?
And now you're backtracking on what you said before about being OK if individual bars require it.
Nice.
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So you don't want big, bad gubmint butting into your business for public health purposes, but you're ok with gubmint stepping in and telling individual businesses what they can and can't do to promote an environment they feel is appropriate for their businesses?
Nice.
It's a tricky issue when it comes to health matters. It's not black and white.
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It's a tricky issue when it comes to health matters. It's not black and white.
Earlier you said you'd be OK if a local bar required proof of vaccination.
Now you say you hope the legislature prevents even a local business from doing that.
Which is it?
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Earlier you said you'd be OK if a local bar required proof of vaccination.
Now you say you hope the legislature prevents even a local business from doing that.
Which is it?
It's tough. I go back and forth on it right now. I'm usually one for free enterprise, but this challenges that for me. I don't like discrimination based on health records and thinks it sets a bad precedence.
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Page 11. Still haven't seen a good reason to not get vaccinated.
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Page 11. Still haven't seen a good reason to not get vaccinated.
We've moved passed that part and the people still talking are all pro-vax.
Edit: thanks for helping me kill a couple hours. Go mubb.
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Look, I think what brother Wolf is getting at is that if you have to show your device or whatever the passport ends up being that has the ability for the government to be able to track your movements, your habits, etc. And remember, you're volunteering to give this information. It's one thing to have a corporation tracking where you are and what you're buying, etc... but it is entirely different when the government is involved. Who is to say how they will use this new surveillance tool? You're volunteering your location to them anytime that passport is scanned. That information could be used in court to determine where you were and could make you a suspect in a crime you had nothing to do with. The last thing we need in this country is more warrant-less tracking.
Now, having said all of that, the government can basically already track what anyone does. But we need to make sure that the way they do that is legal. The moment you volunteer that information all bets are off.
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They don’t need to have your vaccine passport scanned to know that you (or I guess more specifically your phone) were someplace. It’s irrelevant.
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In my earlier post, I tried to focus specifically on proof of vaccination as a requirement for entry to public events and travel. That was because here it has become a generalized debate about all forms of privacy. I remain generally opposed to invasions of privacy and believe in a strict case by case approach when the rights of the individual are subjugated to the rights of the general population.
There should be a strong argument for requiring proof of vaccination and I believe that there is. It is simply this: those who refuse to be vaccinated are putting the health of others at risk by their presence in public. The vaccine is not 100% effective as it is and there are serious questions of the efficacy of the vaccines to mutant strains that develop. And let's not forget the strain placed on hospitals and health care providers, filled ICUs, etc.
A couple of questions for the vaccine opponents:
Do you agree or disagree that drivers who have been apprehended for DUI should have their driving rights suspended or restricted? Or is it the responsibility of sober drivers to take evasive actions?
Should an obviously sick child be sent to school? Should an obviously sick adult go to work anyway? Or is it the responsibility of others to steer clear of sick people?
Should a person who has been diagnosed with serious mental health problems be allowed to possess a gun?
All three of the above are directly related to the health and possibly the lives of others. At what point do you believe that the rights of the individuals in the above questions should be restricted?
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They don’t need to have your vaccine passport scanned to know that you (or I guess more specifically your phone) were someplace. It’s irrelevant.
I covered that. Volunteering that information to the government vs requiring a warrant for that information is important. They can subpoena my phone records and locations, but I'd prefer that hoop for them to jump through to remain in place.
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I also believe this is just going to cause more divide among the current sides and the last thing this country needs is more division.
Is this the new method to defend something one disagrees with? Make it all about division?
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So by this rationale, anyone who had stage 2 cancer and died while having COVID shouldn't be counted as a COVID death, and oh nice...neither should anyone who is elderly since COVID has no link given their condition. Interesting how when someone dies with COVID it counts as a COVID death even if they had several comorbidities, but when someone dies shortly after taking the vaccine, suddenly we need to move mountains to try to show that the vaccine was the primary cause. Why isn't the same approach applied to both? Also, the 2,000 number is something we'll probably disagree on trusting. You may call Crowd unlucky. It's possible it's all vastly underreported. You can look up what's been reported on VAERS in terms of adverse reactions. Last time I downloaded the data a few weeks ago it was 1,400 pages of reported issues (not all deaths to be clear). We're not that far into people getting the vaccine and maybe it's just me but that's a lot of stuff reported, and is obviously not even including what hasn't been reported which who knows how much that is.
Look, I've tried to be courteous and simply explain my position. Some of you have zero desire to rid all the divisiveness going on in the world and want to simply attack me, insist that I'm selfish, label me an anti-vaxer (for the record, I'm not an anti-vaxer...I'm anti THIS vaccine until there is more known about it), etc. When I said earlier I wished the best for those who have received it, I meant it and still do. I believe we are all in a crappy position and we should all start by respecting how crappy it is, and understand that we are all trying to navigate everything that is going on. There is a lot of misinformation coming from ALL angles these days and it is difficult to sift through it. I am not a fan of masks but I follow the rules, and if there are rules in place that say that I can't go to a sporting event until I get the vaccine, then I have a choice to make and I'm ok with that. Wearing a mask and injecting something into my body that is permanent are two very different things though.
So if you really must know MY reasons, in addition to some that have already been stated, here you go:
It is under emergency use authorization (EUA). To get this status they have to prove that NO other treatments are available. However, doctors have been using Ivermectin, Hydroxycloroquine, vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, quercetin, ozone therapy, etc. with success. This is why the censorship is so harsh against any doctors who try to talk about other treatments. They lose the EUA if there are other therapies. Think of all the people that go into the hospital and survive COVID, they are being treated.
To get to the 95% effective rate they use relative risk instead of absolute risk. This website explains it: https://www.healthnewsreview.org/toolkit/tips-for-understanding-studies/ absolute-vs-relative-risk/
If drug manufactures used absolute risk, no one would take their drugs. It is really common for them to report relative risk, which is basically not significant when it comes to scientific methods.
There are no studies saying the vaccine will prevent COVID or transmission.
We have no idea the side effects of this injection, both short term and long term.
There are ingredients in the injection that have not been proven safe for human use. There are also ingredients in a proprietary blend in the vaccines that are not being disclosed. Polyethylene Glycol (PEG) in the mRNA vaccines is known to cause anaphylactic reactions, yet they put it in there.
Over 90% of the people dying from COVID have 4+ comorbidities.
The PCR test is completely flawed. When else have we ever used PCR to diagnose a virus? Look into the cycle count, it should be <35 and ideally <25 for accurate results, otherwise you are looking at debris and other dead viral particles that cannot be isolated.
There are no double blind randomized controlled clinical trials, the gold standard of research. All the studies so far have been conducted by the drug manufacturers so there is bias. No animal studies have been done either and I am not sure if there are any currently being done.
Does the survival rate of 99.6% for those <70 justify me getting this injection?
New research is emerging that it is probable the mRNA can reverse transcribe into our DNA under the right conditions.
No products with the primary ingredient mRNA have ever been FDA approved.
It affects both the innate and adaptive immune system. Vaccines are given to stimulate the adaptive system so we really don’t know the effects this will have on our innate system, which is our first line of defense.
Vaccine manufactures are not held liable for any adverse reactions.
If some of you want to continue to throw hate & shade my way, so be it. Like with any major life decision, I am simply trying to make the most informed decision possible. I'm not just some "tin foil idiot" or whatever word of the day MU82 likes to use from atop his righteous throne. Maybe we can all learn to respect each other and understand that navigating this is challenging, and if that means I have to follow certain rules until I decide to get the vaccine or until I essentially wait it out, so be it. Pardon me for not wanting to jump in line for a vaccine that is unlike any other ever developed. Peace.
Thank you for your explanation. I believe you take great liberties with science and facts (or lack thereof of both) to justify your unwillingness to help America return to something close to "normal." You want all of the freedom but none of the (very minor) sacrifice. I'll step off my "righteous throne" to simply say, Have a nice day and We Are Marquette.
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Ah when someone else disagrees, just attack them. Signs of a strong argument.
Other's have used logic. You respond with foolishness. You deserve to be treated as a fool.
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Other's have used logic. You respond with foolishness. You deserve to be treated as a fool.
;D now name calling. Love it. Taking a page out of ole Donny’s book. Going to call me fake news next?
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If anti-vaxers had to pay out of pocket for their hospital expenses and the money was legally withdrawn out of their paychecks, the amount of anti-vaxers would decline.
This is a moronic argument that could be solved economically. Too bad it can’t be done. I want these ding dongs to have their personal freedoms at their own expense.
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Telling someone I am vaccinated? I am reminded of the comedian commenting on the viagra commercial "In the event of an erection lasting four hours, tell your doctor. Hell, doctor? I'm telling everyone!"
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Telling someone I am vaccinated? I am reminded of the comedian commenting on the viagra commercial "In the event of an erection lasting four hours, tell your doctor. Hell, doctor? I'm telling everyone!"
let’s do obese people too!
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COVID passports.....100% if you have one...
100% vaccinated with Phizer after 5 weeks and feeling fine except a little nausea/dry heaves after the first......60 years old.....
Get vaccinated!!!
There is no political correctness about this issue.......There is "common sense" and "stupid".......
Been taking flu shots for 30 years......All you have to do is get it "bad" once......
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A stranger rifles through my purse every time I go to an event at the Fiserv. I consider that a worse invasion of my privacy than having to prove that I am vaccinated.
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Thank you, chick. All other privacy arguments now rendered moot.
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There are so many people not getting vaccinated for one reason or another. Without vaccinated-only attendees at the arena it will be a very difficult sell.
Get vaccinated. Had my double doses of Pfizer. 1.5 months past second. All fine
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A stranger rifles through my purse every time I go to an event at the Fiserv. I consider that a worse invasion of my privacy than having to prove that I am vaccinated.
”because it’s already bad, it doesn’t matter”
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”because it’s already bad, it doesn’t matter”
"You want me to wear shoes and a shirt? Just because everybody else is wearing 'em, it doesn't mean I have to."
"You want to look through my carry-on bag? Sorry. Just because your tag says TSA, that doesn't give you the right."
"You want me to blow into that breathalizer just because it's 1 a.m. and I'm weaving all over the road? Sorry, I deserve my privacy."
"You have a search warrant? Sorry, you still can't come in just because a search warrant says you can. Freedom!"
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The people who refuse the vaccine are relying on (a) misinformation; or (b) ~feelings~
Neither are facts.
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”because it’s already bad, it doesn’t matter”
:o
"because it doesn't happen to me it couldn't be that bad"
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"because it doesn't happen to me it couldn't be that bad"
It doesn't hit home until you know someone who has died.....
Do we really all need to go there????
Trust me.....It sucks.....
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It doesn't hit home until you know someone who has died.....
Do we really all need to go there????
Trust me.....It sucks.....
I was mocking Genghis/Wolfgang
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Yes it does.
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let’s do obese people too!
Is there a genetic component to being an anti-vaxxer?
I guess intelligence is hereditary.
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let’s do obese people too!
Obese people don't spread a disease. You are so dim.
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So by this rationale, anyone who had stage 2 cancer and died while having COVID shouldn't be counted as a COVID death, and oh nice...neither should anyone who is elderly since COVID has no link given their condition. Interesting how when someone dies with COVID it counts as a COVID death even if they had several comorbidities, but when someone dies shortly after taking the vaccine, suddenly we need to move mountains to try to show that the vaccine was the primary cause. Why isn't the same approach applied to both? Also, the 2,000 number is something we'll probably disagree on trusting. You may call Crowd unlucky. It's possible it's all vastly underreported. You can look up what's been reported on VAERS in terms of adverse reactions. Last time I downloaded the data a few weeks ago it was 1,400 pages of reported issues (not all deaths to be clear). We're not that far into people getting the vaccine and maybe it's just me but that's a lot of stuff reported, and is obviously not even including what hasn't been reported which who knows how much that is.
There was just so much scientifically inaccurate, and in many cases just plain false information in that rambling post. I really don't have time to address all of it.
But will address this initial diatribe. When someone dies in a trial, they are required, and do go through rigorous means to prove that they did NOT die from the agent in the trial. It is the opposite as you claim here.
Your comparison to how COVID deaths are reported is frankly absurd. Analysis in these trials are based on looking at the baseline incidence of effects in the population, and in the placebo group, compared to the experimental group. Based on ages their are a certain number that are likely to die, or suffer from ailments. The statistics provide the actual increased risk.
The same can and is applied to COVID deaths. Right now, there are at least 550,000 excess deaths beyond the statistical baseline that are then likely to be COVID specific...not co-morbidities, as 550,000 more people died than would normally die. That excess death calculation is quite similar to the one used for side effects/deaths during vaccine rollouts. So things are being looked at in the same way.
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MRNA vaccines are created by supercomputer modeling that examines the virus geography and "creates" an inverse "puzzle piece" that can attach to the virus and has the bodies antibodies attack the "now recognizable" foreign intruder.....AKA....The spike protein geography of the virus......
J&J uses dead/de-activated virus attached to I believe dead flu virus to create a immune response similar to the technology used in flu vaccines.....
Both work.....MRNA is totally new.....and in a few years could be the cure for several cancers.....(aka attack the geography of lets say a cancerous tumor cell of the prostrate or the like) A real break through if there are no long term side effects.....We will know in a decade.....
I for one.....with several co-morbidities and xx percentage of having a bad outcome believe a 1 in 100,000 chance vs 1 in 100 chance increases my survivability by 1,000 fold......Others may not get "odds" that great of a benefit but most will increase their odds by at least 100 fold......
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MRNA vaccines are created by supercomputer modeling that examines the virus geography and "creates" an inverse "puzzle piece" that can attach to the virus and has the bodies antibodies attack the "now recognizable" foreign intruder.....AKA....The spike protein geography of the virus......
J&J uses dead/de-activated virus attached to I believe dead flu virus to create a immune response similar to the technology used in flu vaccines.....
Both work.....MRNA is totally new.....and in a few years could be the cure for several cancers.....(aka attack the geography of lets say a cancerous tumor cell of the prostrate or the like) A real break through if there are no long term side effects.....We will know in a decade.....
I for one.....with several co-morbidities and xx percentage of having a bad outcome believe a 1 in 100,000 chance vs 1 in 100 chance increases my survivability by 1,000 fold......Others may not get "odds" that great of a benefit but most will increase their odds by at least 100 fold......
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Wish we could still argue about this.
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MU will obviously ( thank god ) be
Back to 100% capacity this Fall / Winter ... !
Brewers going to 100%
Bucks going to 75% ( I hear )
Lots of fall concerts set
City lifting almost all rules / mandates
Go Warriors
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Dicey again?
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Dicey again?
Fear is the new currency of the self righteous
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Dicey again?
Don't think so. Maybe for the unvaccinated.
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Don't think so. Maybe for the unvaccinated.
Vaccinated are getting Delta. Stupid people refusing to get vaccinated will continue to lead to more and more variants, prolonging the pandemic.
Fiserv should require vaccination proof for entry. If people won't get vaccinated, they shouldn't re-enter society.
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Vaccinated are getting Delta. Stupid people refusing to get vaccinated will continue to lead to more and more variants, prolonging the pandemic.
Fiserv should require vaccination proof for entry. If people won't get vaccinated, they shouldn't re-enter society.
I agree. I just don't think the vaccinated are at the risk of not being able to attend games. My guess is FF will be at full capacity for everyone.
If cases continue to increase maybe proof of vaccination is required, but I doubt it.
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I agree. I just don't think the vaccinated are at the risk of not being able to attend games. My guess is FF will be at full capacity for everyone.
If cases continue to increase maybe proof of vaccination is required, but I doubt it.
Unfortunately if a variant results from the Delta it will most likely overcome the vaccine. Should require proof of vaccine or negative test result 24 hr max.
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https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnbOKH9Oe9s&feature=share
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Vaccinated are getting Delta. Stupid people refusing to get vaccinated will continue to lead to more and more variants, prolonging the pandemic.
Fiserv should require vaccination proof for entry. If people won't get vaccinated, they shouldn't re-enter society.
Not in any significant quantity.
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Not in any significant quantity.
Hospitalizations no, but contracting virus 10-15% with ability to spread.
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Vaccinated are getting delta.
They are not getting hospitalized.
It’s surprising how many people come into our ED’s sick with covid, test positive and then say “can I get the vaccine?”
Ummm no. That needed to happen before you got sick. But you can have a bed as an inpatient in the hospital now…
Sucks we are doin this again.
But I’d be ok with vaccine required to go to games.
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https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnbOKH9Oe9s&feature=share
Thank you for sharing this! Made my day! I can't wait to play this nonchalantly when my anti-vaxx sister and her family are over.
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Hospitalizations no, but contracting virus 10-15% with ability to spread.
Right. Which is the predominant issue.
Hospitalizations and deaths among vaccinated change is near 0.
So, vaccinated aren't significantly impacted by Delta. If you happen to get sick, quarantine like you would for any other communicable disease (influenza, for example)
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It maybe too complex for people but there has to be an advertising blitz on TV and social media that gets people the correct information on the virus and it’s complications as well as how the vaccines work (and that they don’t contain a micro chip). Keep hammering it home on commercials.
We need more Ah Ha! moments from people. There has to be a way to dumb this down for people to understand that they are making a huge mistake not getting the vaccine and perpetuating both health and economic discord.
Very frustrating.
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It maybe too complex for people but there has to be an advertising blitz on TV and social media that gets people the correct information on the virus and it’s complications as well as how the vaccines work (and that they don’t contain a micro chip). Keep hammering it home on commercials.
We need more Ah Ha! moments from people. There has to be a way to dumb this down for people to understand that they are making a huge mistake not getting the vaccine and perpetuating both health and economic discord.
Very frustrating.
I really don’t know. I know people who have had friends die of Covid, have health issues, have young kids (sometimes all 3), and have no interest in the vaccine. It shocks me, but I have no idea what could be the thing that finally convinced them.
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It maybe too complex for people but there has to be an advertising blitz on TV and social media that gets people the correct information on the virus and it’s complications as well as how the vaccines work (and that they don’t contain a micro chip). Keep hammering it home on commercials.
We need more Ah Ha! moments from people. There has to be a way to dumb this down for people to understand that they are making a huge mistake not getting the vaccine and perpetuating both health and economic discord.
Very frustrating.
It's become a political issue. Once it becomes that, it's hard to get people to move from an entrenched position because it means they were wrong. Humans are quite predictable
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It maybe too complex for people but there has to be an advertising blitz on TV and social media that gets people the correct information on the virus and it’s complications as well as how the vaccines work (and that they don’t contain a micro chip). Keep hammering it home on commercials.
We need more Ah Ha! moments from people. There has to be a way to dumb this down for people to understand that they are making a huge mistake not getting the vaccine and perpetuating both health and economic discord.
Very frustrating.
From the outset, there has been a lack of consistent messaging regarding Covid-19. The so-called experts have said so many different things that the contradictory nature of what they say is frightening. The feuding between Dr. Fauci and Donald Trump was almost comical.
One of the things Journalists and observers never asked was what were the assumptions that went into an "expert's" forecasts. What were the constants, what were the variables and exactly how did the dire projections come about. Data manipulation is an art within a science and the outside world tends to gravitate toward the extreme without assessing the probability of an environment that would lead to an extreme.
In effect, we're all Covid-19 weary. Most of us want this damn virus to go away. More than half of us are vaccinated and I'd guess about 99.7 percent of the Scoop population has been vaccinated but that's what happens when someone is "smart." I voted for full capacity this year on grounds that stupid is as stupid is and that Marquette is not goinbg to protect the idiots in society from themselves.
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I guess the concept of a novel virus and the mutations are hard to understand. Evolution happening in real time and science having to try to adapt and react in record time while trying to put out the best advice while having to deal with a society consumed by conspiracy theories where truth and knowledge are "bad". Again this virus is adapting, if the Delta virus has more time it will most likely mutate to overtake the vaccine and there is the problem with the unvaccinated, as long as there are enough hosts it will keep getting more "efficient" and we could end up back to square one.
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Vaccinated are getting Delta. Stupid people refusing to get vaccinated will continue to lead to more and more variants, prolonging the pandemic.
Fiserv should require vaccination proof for entry. If people won't get vaccinated, they shouldn't re-enter society.
even when the largest groups of unvaccinated individuals are Blacks and Latinos, many of whom are not getting vaccinated for non-political reasons?
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From the outset, there has been a lack of consistent messaging regarding Covid-19. The so-called experts have said so many different things that the contradictory nature of what they say is frightening. The feuding between Dr. Fauci and Donald Trump was almost comical.
no way 99.7 of scoop is vaxed
One of the things Journalists and observers never asked was what were the assumptions that went into an "expert's" forecasts. What were the constants, what were the variables and exactly how did the dire projections come about. Data manipulation is an art within a science and the outside world tends to gravitate toward the extreme without assessing the probability of an environment that would lead to an extreme.
In effect, we're all Covid-19 weary. Most of us want this damn virus to go away. More than half of us are vaccinated and I'd guess about 99.7 percent of the Scoop population has been vaccinated but that's what happens when someone is "smart." I voted for full capacity this year on grounds that stupid is as stupid is and that Marquette is not goinbg to protect the idiots in society from themselves.
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From the outset, there has been a lack of consistent messaging regarding Covid-19. The so-called experts have said so many different things that the contradictory nature of what they say is frightening. The feuding between Dr. Fauci and Donald Trump was almost comical.
One of the things Journalists and observers never asked was what were the assumptions that went into an "expert's" forecasts. What were the constants, what were the variables and exactly how did the dire projections come about. Data manipulation is an art within a science and the outside world tends to gravitate toward the extreme without assessing the probability of an environment that would lead to an extreme.
In effect, we're all Covid-19 weary. Most of us want this damn virus to go away. More than half of us are vaccinated and I'd guess about 99.7 percent of the Scoop population has been vaccinated but that's what happens when someone is "smart." I voted for full capacity this year on grounds that stupid is as stupid is and that Marquette is not goinbg to protect the idiots in society from themselves.
Biden is, predictably, an abject disaster...on all fronts, not just COVID. Fauci is a walking, breathing contradiction. He’s 80. Go to Boca already. People need to be self-accountable. Do your homework, maybe consult with your doc, take emotion out of the equation on this and make a decision that’s best for you.
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The lock, I am in before
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Biden is, predictably, an abject disaster...on all fronts, not just COVID. Fauci is a walking, breathing contradiction. He’s 80. Go to Boca already. People need to be self-accountable. Do your homework, maybe consult with your doc, take emotion out of the equation on this and make a decision that’s best for you society as a whole.
FIFY
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sincere question. Are deaths increasing or is it just the cases of confirmed covid increasing? I don't see the death rate reported regularly, yet the number of covid cases reported is still one of the lead stories every day.
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Biden is, predictably, an abject disaster...on all fronts, not just COVID. Fauci is a walking, breathing contradiction. He’s 80. Go to Boca already. People need to be self-accountable. Do your homework, maybe consult with your doc, take emotion out of the equation on this and make a decision that’s best for you.
This is exactly why we're going to continue struggle.....
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even when the largest groups of unvaccinated individuals are Blacks and Latinos, many of whom are not getting vaccinated for non-political reasons?
That has been debunked, not exactly like that.
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sincere question. Are deaths increasing or is it just the cases of confirmed covid increasing? I don't see the death rate reported regularly, yet the number of covid cases reported is still one of the lead stories every day.
From week to week yes, but they have not increased at the same rate as before. Covid-19 can be a disease that can leave you with long term conditions even with minor symptoms. Not known if they are temporary or permanent.
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That has been debunked, not exactly like that.
only 32% of the Black population in WI has been vaccinated as of July 21. 39.6% of Hispanics. They are obviously different reasons they have than those who are refusing vaccination for partisan purposes. If we're going to ostracize anyone who has not been vaccinated from society via government mandates then we are engaging in some serious segregationist policies.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.html
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sincere question. Are deaths increasing or is it just the cases of confirmed covid increasing? I don't see the death rate reported regularly, yet the number of covid cases reported is still one of the lead stories every day.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html
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even when the largest groups of unvaccinated individuals are Blacks and Latinos, many of whom are not getting vaccinated for non-political reasons?
Yes. How is that even a question?
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even when the largest groups of unvaccinated individuals are Blacks and Latinos, many of whom are not getting vaccinated for non-political reasons?
Yeah. Where is the problem with that?
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Yes. How is that even a question?
Oh what he said.
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This is exactly why we're going to continue struggle.....
Yep
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only 32% of the Black population in WI has been vaccinated as of July 21. 39.6% of Hispanics. They are obviously different reasons they have than those who are refusing vaccination for partisan purposes. If we're going to ostracize anyone who has not been vaccinated from society via government mandates then we are engaging in some serious segregationist policies.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/us-vaccine-demographics.html
I can't speak to what Wisconsin is doing but I can address Florida's efforts.
County health departments up and down the Treasure Coast began "bringing the vaccine to the people," last April. Our county as well as all the contiguous counties went to low and moderate income neighborhoods, advertising they were coming and working to ensure every Floridian older than 12 was vaccinated.
While you can't force someone to be vaccinated, you can make sure that access is not a problem. There were few questions asked -- illegal immigrants, ethnic and racial minorities, people who didn't speak English, rich people, poor people, everyone in between all had shots at the shots. I know we have a lot of STUPID unvaccinated people in Florida, but it is not for lack of access. Our governments at the local and state level have made concerted efforts. Our political, civic and business leaders have all stepped up and urged getting the vaccine.
Florida has a lot of problems but stupid unvaccinated people are at the top of the contemporary list.
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This is exactly why we're going to continue struggle.....
how so?
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how so?
The whole “do your homework” thing. It’s already been done, millions of times.
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how so?
Because you're an idiot.
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Right. Not sure what “homework” anyone has to do at this point. Vaccines are safe and extremely effective. Not sure what decision that someone would have to make now that couldn’t have been made months ago. Vaccine hesitancy and resistance are why numbers are rising again and why responsible people are now going to have to sacrifice for the irresponsible.
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sincere question. Are deaths increasing or is it just the cases of confirmed covid increasing? I don't see the death rate reported regularly, yet the number of covid cases reported is still one of the lead stories every day.
Yes deaths bottomed out in early July with a seven day average under 200. It is now back over 400. For reference sake it was over 4,000 in mid January.
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Vaccinated are getting delta.
They are not getting hospitalized.
It’s surprising how many people come into our ED’s sick with covid, test positive and then say “can I get the vaccine?”
Ummm no. That needed to happen before you got sick. But you can have a bed as an inpatient in the hospital now…
Sucks we are doin this again.
But I’d be ok with vaccine required to go to games.
"Can you put your seatbelt on after you've been in a car accident?"
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Because you're an idiot.
thx. much appreciated.
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Right. Not sure what “homework” anyone has to do at this point. Vaccines are safe and extremely effective. Not sure what decision that someone would have to make now that couldn’t have been made months ago. Vaccine hesitancy and resistance are why numbers are rising again and why responsible people are now going to have to sacrifice for the irresponsible.
talk about making broad brush statements. So says Dr FBM as he reads the Biden que card posed by Dr Wind, er, Fauci.
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talk about making broad brush statements. So says Dr FBM as he reads the Biden que card posed by Dr Wind, er, Fauci.
Sorry but you are the one making this political. The facts are....
**Vaccines are safe for nearly everyone.
**The vaccines make it much less likely that you will be sick from Covid or spread Covid
**The vaccines make it much, much less likely that even if you get Covid, you will get seriously sick or die
Those are the facts. There is no more "homework" to be done. Doctors want their patients to get the shot. These are not political opinions.
And I will point out that since getting the shot means you are much less likely to spread the disease, it is best for society as a whole that everyone gets vaccinated. Not only to protect yourself but the most vulnerable. But we don't do that any longer so here we are.
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Yes. How is that even a question?
Brew
You are all in on needing proof you got a non-FDA approved vaccine so you can grocery shop, eat at restaurants, and attend sporting events, even if it clearly and disproportionately affects minorities.
Got it.
So I guess you are a huge fan of requiring an ID to vote?
It’s a lot easier to get an ID to vote than it is to get the vaccine.
Did I strike a nerve calling out your hypocrisy?
Well I didn’t want to do it because I want to keep things lite, but someone has to call you out.
My point is that your inconsistent virtue signaling, high horse, holier than though posts are very cringe to many of us here who would rather keep things less political and more Marquette basketball based.
So please, with all due respect—-spew your political and health services jargon on the medal stand at the olympics or at the Grammy ceremonies, just don’t do it here.
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I’m pro vax
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Brew
You are all in on needing proof you got a non-FDA approved vaccine so you can grocery shop, eat at restaurants, and attend sporting events, even if it clearly and disproportionately affects minorities.
Got it.
So I guess you are a huge fan of requiring an ID to vote?
It’s a lot easier to get an ID to vote than it is to get the vaccine.
Did I strike a nerve calling out your hypocrisy?
Well I didn’t want to do it because I want to keep things lite, but someone has to call you out.
My point is that your inconsistent virtue signaling, high horse, holier than though posts are very cringe to many of us here who would rather keep things less political and more Marquette basketball based.
So please, with all due respect—-spew your political and health services jargon on the medal stand at the olympics or at the Grammy ceremonies, just don’t do it here.
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I’m pro vax
A compromise:
Vaccine passport given to everyone who gets vaccinated that doubles as voter ID.
Cool?
PS. The vaccine is FDA approved.
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Brew
You are all in on needing proof you got a non-FDA approved vaccine so you can grocery shop, eat at restaurants, and attend sporting events, even if it clearly and disproportionately affects minorities.
Got it.
So I guess you are a huge fan of requiring an ID to vote?
It’s a lot easier to get an ID to vote than it is to get the vaccine.
Did I strike a nerve calling out your hypocrisy?
Well I didn’t want to do it because I want to keep things lite, but someone has to call you out.
My point is that your inconsistent virtue signaling, high horse, holier than though posts are very cringe to many of us here who would rather keep things less political and more Marquette basketball based.
So please, with all due respect—-spew your political and health services jargon on the medal stand at the olympics or at the Grammy ceremonies, just don’t do it here.
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I’m pro vax
There is nothing hypocritical about believing that you need to show proof of a vaccine to do things and believe you don't need one to vote. You know why? They are completely different things. I know...shocker right? Believe it or not, voting is a legal right that we grant people in our society with a low barrier to exercise. Attending an event at FF is not.
If you can't fundamentally see the difference between those two things, I don't know what to tell you.
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PS. The vaccine is FDA approved.
Yeah anyone who throws out that gem is worthy of an eye-roll in my book.
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Today’s nytimes
WASHINGTON — With a new surge of coronavirus infections ripping through much of the United States, the Food and Drug Administration has accelerated its timetable to fully approve Pfizer-BioNTech’s coronavirus vaccine, aiming to complete the process by the start of next month, people familiar with the effort said.
President Biden said last week that he expected a fully approved vaccine in early fall.
Not approved yet, but will be soon.
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Today’s nytimes
WASHINGTON — With a new surge of coronavirus infections ripping through much of the United States, the Food and Drug Administration has accelerated its timetable to fully approve Pfizer-BioNTech’s coronavirus vaccine, aiming to complete the process by the start of next month, people familiar with the effort said.
President Biden said last week that he expected a fully approved vaccine in early fall.
Not approved yet, but will be soon.
"fully approve" It's already been approved for emergency use. And I am pretty sure that a pandemic that has killed hundred of thousands of Americans is an emergency.
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Sorry but you are the one making this political. The facts are....
**Vaccines are safe for nearly everyone.
**The vaccines make it much less likely that you will be sick from Covid or spread Covid
**The vaccines make it much, much less likely that even if you get Covid, you will get seriously sick or die
Those are the facts. There is no more "homework" to be done. Doctors want their patients to get the shot. These are not political opinions.
And I will point out that since getting the shot means you are much less likely to spread the disease, it is best for society as a whole that everyone gets vaccinated. Not only to protect yourself but the most vulnerable. But we don't do that any longer so here we are.
Well stated. This should not be an issue. I don’t know a single physician who has not gotten vaccinated and believe me they did not get it for political reasons. I know many less scientifically educated people who haven’t and they talk in circles trying to explain their reasoning (none of which is correct).
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There is nothing hypocritical about believing that you need to show proof of a vaccine to do things and believe you don't need one to vote. You know why? They are completely different things. I know...shocker right? Believe it or not, voting is a legal right that we grant people in our society with a low barrier to exercise. Attending an event at FF is not.
If you can't fundamentally see the difference between those two things, I don't know what to tell you.
You missed the side of the barn there FBM, so let me try again:
Any policy that disproportionately affects minorities is inherently a racist policy, and all those who support these policies are racists.
So, Fluffy Blue Monster, you must be a Fluffy Blue Racist.
Racist tendencies often erupt during periods of crisis, and your posts clearly show a complete dismissal of the everyday, basic, fundemental rights of minorities.
You see how your virtue signaling, elitist, self-absorbed, savior of the world drivel can be turned against you very quickly? It didn’t take too long and was very easy to do.
I don’t want this on the board and I don’t want to go down this worm hole. I get enough of this watching almost every show on TV, as well as every commercial.
I want Scoop to be the last stand of basketball purity.
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You missed the side of the barn there FBM, so let me try again:
Any policy that disproportionately affects minorities is inherently a racist policy, and all those who support these policies are racists.
So, Fluffy Blue Monster, you must be a Fluffy Blue Racist.
Racist tendencies often erupt during periods of crisis, and your posts clearly show a complete dismissal of the everyday, basic, fundemental rights of minorities.
You see how your virtue signaling, elitist, self-absorbed, savior of the world drivel can be turned against you very quickly? It didn’t take too long and was very easy to do.
I don’t want this on the board and I don’t want to go down this worm hole. I get enough of this watching almost every show on TV, as well as every commercial.
I want Scoop to be the last stand of basketball purity.
Sorry, but I don't think I have ever stated the bolded. So you can take your well worn political cliches and use them elsewhere.
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Sorry but you are the one making this political. The facts are....
**Vaccines are safe for nearly everyone.
**The vaccines make it much less likely that you will be sick from Covid or spread Covid
**The vaccines make it much, much less likely that even if you get Covid, you will get seriously sick or die
Those are the facts. There is no more "homework" to be done. Doctors want their patients to get the shot. These are not political opinions.
And I will point out that since getting the shot means you are much less likely to spread the disease, it is best for society as a whole that everyone gets vaccinated. Not only to protect yourself but the most vulnerable. But we don't do that any longer so here we are.
Just quick PSA here, recent studies have found that if you have a breakthrough case of the delta variant after being vaccinated, you carry the same viral load and spread it just as easily as an unvaccinated person. This is true even if you show no symptoms. So even if vaccinated, you should take measures to limit any spread of the virus. Also you should get tested even if mildly sick so you know if you need to quarantine or not.
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Sorry, but I don't think I have ever stated the bolded. So you can take your well worn political cliches and use them elsewhere.
FBM,
No one suggested you said that, but the policy you are promoting does in fact harm minorities in much greater numbers.
And you just proved my point! THANK YOU! No one wants to hear political jargon!
So I COMPLETELY agree with you!! Let's BOTH not use "well worn political cliches" on this board and let's use them elsewhere!
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I want Scoop to be the last stand of basketball purity.
Wait, what? MUScoop? ?-( :o
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FBM,
No one suggested you said that, but the policy you are promoting does in fact harm minorities in much greater numbers.
And you just proved my point! THANK YOU! No one wants to hear political jargon!
So I COMPLETELY agree with you!! Let's BOTH not use "well worn political cliches" on this board and let's use them elsewhere!
You're the one who invoked politics when you replied to brew.
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You're the one who invoked politics when you replied to brew.
FBM
Wrong...again.
Brew wrote:
"Vaccinated are getting Delta. Stupid people refusing to get vaccinated will continue to lead to more and more variants, prolonging the pandemic.
Fiserv should require vaccination proof for entry. If people won't get vaccinated, they shouldn't re-enter society."
Maybe you didn't know this, but vaccine passports is a very poltical issue nowadays.
FBM, please stop, because you just keep digging a bigger hole and I get no enjoyment calling you out.
Would much rather discuss who will be starting at point this year.
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You chose to 1) take your risks getting the vaccine which has now been clinically tested and real-world tested for almost a year, with another 6 months trials before that. Or )2 you take your chances not getting the vaccine.
It’s that simple. Those opting for (1) so far have been protected for the most part - in the 94% range from getting the virus, and about 99% protected from hospitalization and about 99.9% protected from death as a result of virus.
Those opting for (2) - many have been safe to date but many not. The delta variant has made out US daily new case count rise from a low of about 11,000 a day to just the other day, 127,900 new cases. In a day. And those contracting the virus? About 99% unvaccinated. The variants will get stronger and stronger and will kill more people as long as there are enough hosting bodies.
So, we all choose to take our chances, one way or another. But our choices impact lives everyday. Of family, of friends, of people we don’t even know.
Right now, if things continue on this path, we aren’t going to lack FiServ forum for Marquette games this season.
Let us all choose wisely.
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FBM
Wrong...again.
Brew wrote:
"Vaccinated are getting Delta. Stupid people refusing to get vaccinated will continue to lead to more and more variants, prolonging the pandemic.
Fiserv should require vaccination proof for entry. If people won't get vaccinated, they shouldn't re-enter society."
None of this is a political statement. You viewed it as one and then compounded it with a clearly political statement of your own.
Would much rather discuss who will be starting at point this year.
Then do so. No one is preventing it.
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None of this is a political statement. You viewed it as one and then compounded it with a clearly political statement of your own.
Then do so. No one is preventing it.
Calling for vaccine passports, specifically calling those who refuse vaccines "stupid", and suggesting all non-vaccinated literally should be banned from society is NOT poltical?
My goodness FBM, why do you make it so easy to call out your nonsense.
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Wait, what? MUScoop? ?-( :o
I’m curious as to the definition of basketball purity
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Brew
You are all in on needing proof you got a non-FDA approved vaccine so you can grocery shop, eat at restaurants, and attend sporting events, even if it clearly and disproportionately affects minorities.
Got it.
So I guess you are a huge fan of requiring an ID to vote?
It’s a lot easier to get an ID to vote than it is to get the vaccine.
Did I strike a nerve calling out your hypocrisy?
Well I didn’t want to do it because I want to keep things lite, but someone has to call you out.
My point is that your inconsistent virtue signaling, high horse, holier than though posts are very cringe to many of us here who would rather keep things less political and more Marquette basketball based.
So please, with all due respect—-spew your political and health services jargon on the medal stand at the olympics or at the Grammy ceremonies, just don’t do it here.
PS
I’m pro vax
This might be true now that centers are closing because people stopped getting it but it definitely wasn't true for the majority of the summer and spring. There were mobile centers for illegals to get the vaccine, plenty of national guard stations with a "just inject them" mindset. You didn't need a birth certificate and social card to get it.
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Sorry, but I don't think I have ever stated the bolded. So you can take your well worn political cliches and use them elsewhere.
Not only did you not say it, but there is total lack of logic within the statement itself.
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Calling for vaccine passports, specifically calling those who refuse vaccines "stupid", and suggesting all non-vaccinated literally should be banned from society is NOT poltical?
It is not political. One side made it political, but on its face is not political.
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Calling for vaccine passports, specifically calling those who refuse vaccines "stupid", and suggesting all non-vaccinated literally should be banned from society is NOT poltical?
My goodness FBM, why do you make it so easy to call out your nonsense.
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They are stupid. Full stop. Regardless of political party, they are stupid.
There, do you feel 'called out'?
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It is not political. One side made it political, but on its face is not political.
FBM
Your response is absolutely priceless.
Thank you for the laughs.
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FBM
Your response is absolutely priceless.
Thank you for the laughs.
100%
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Mrs. 82 and I have been looking forward to attending some games this season, starting with the Charleston event and also a couple/few at Fiserv. Hopefully, we'll be able to.
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Calling for vaccine passports, specifically calling those who refuse vaccines "stupid", and suggesting all non-vaccinated literally should be banned from society
None of this will be required, several companies are now requiring the vaccine for employment. No religious exemptions. Within a few months, this will be far more widespread.
i.e. - a passport will not be needed. All Americans that work will be vaccinated. Encourage your "vax hesitant" friends to get it now before they die, and in a few months everyone will have it regardless.
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sincere question. Are deaths increasing or is it just the cases of confirmed covid increasing? I don't see the death rate reported regularly, yet the number of covid cases reported is still one of the lead stories every day.
The media will always emphasize whichever statistic is the most alarming. That’s the business they’re in.
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Masks look pretty likely for this upcoming season. Most of the non-conference slate and weekday games will take care of the social distancing.
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FBM
Wrong...again.
Brew wrote:
"Vaccinated are getting Delta. Stupid people refusing to get vaccinated will continue to lead to more and more variants, prolonging the pandemic.
Fiserv should require vaccination proof for entry. If people won't get vaccinated, they shouldn't re-enter society."
Maybe you didn't know this, but vaccine passports is a very poltical issue nowadays.
FBM, please stop, because you just keep digging a bigger hole and I get no enjoyment calling you out.
Would much rather discuss who will be starting at point this year.
Likely better said by others, but this isn't political. Stupidity is fueling the continuation of the pandemic. It's not new, the same thing happened in 1918. If you think stupidity is the province of one political party, I guess that's your opinion.
Fiserv should require vaccinations, because this is about public health and events that draw 15,000+ impact the public health of all Southeastern Wisconsin. That's not political, that keeping the populace safe.
Vaccine passports are not and never have been political. They aren't today any more than they were when I had to show my vaccination passports to go to kindergarten or to get my job. Vaccine passports have been a requirement in our society as long as I've been alive. Maybe they are new to you, but in my 44 years, they're just a part of the background of life.
Welcome to America, I guess.
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I’m a few months “ every one will have it “ LOLLLL
Right. Sure they will 🙄
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Likely better said by others, but this isn't political. Stupidity is fueling the continuation of the pandemic. It's not new, the same thing happened in 1918. If you think stupidity is the province of one political party, I guess that's your opinion.
Fiserv should require vaccinations, because this is about public health and events that draw 15,000+ impact the public health of all Southeastern Wisconsin. That's not political, that keeping the populace safe.
Vaccine passports are not and never have been political. They aren't today any more than they were when I had to show my vaccination passports to go to kindergarten or to get my job. Vaccine passports have been a requirement in our society as long as I've been alive. Maybe they are new to you, but in my 44 years, they're just a part of the background of life.
Welcome to America, I guess.
Brew
So if it’s all about public health and the impact on the health systems, you must be a huge fan of a HUGE wall at the border, to prevent all those who do not have a vaccine passport from entering the country. This is obviously not a political statement, because it’s keeping the population safe.
If you disagree with any of the above, then please spare us from your condescending, virtue signaling drivel, because you are nothing but a classic hypocritical blow hard.
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You missed the side of the barn there FBM, so let me try again:
Any policy that disproportionately affects minorities is inherently a racist policy, and all those who support these policies are racists.
So, Fluffy Blue Monster, you must be a Fluffy Blue Racist.
Racist tendencies often erupt during periods of crisis, and your posts clearly show a complete dismissal of the everyday, basic, fundemental rights of minorities.
You see how your virtue signaling, elitist, self-absorbed, savior of the world drivel can be turned against you very quickly? It didn’t take too long and was very easy to do.
I don’t want this on the board and I don’t want to go down this worm hole. I get enough of this watching almost every show on TV, as well as every commercial.
I want Scoop to be the last stand of basketball purity.
I do not think this is racist at all. Why should we not make policies because it might discriminate against a group of people who decide not to get vaccinated. It is on them for not being vaccinated, not the people making the rules.
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Brew
So if it’s all about public health and the impact on the health systems, you must be a huge fan of a HUGE wall at the border, to prevent all those who do not have a vaccine passport from entering the country. This is obviously not a political statement, because it’s keeping the population safe.
If you disagree with any of the above, then please spare us from your condescending, virtue signaling drivel, because you are nothing but a classic hypocritical blow hard.
It's not because huge walls are proven to be ineffective. On the other hand, I would be a huge fan of the US spending $25B to vaccinate the entire world, which would be far more effective than a wall.
And considering people cross the border in airplanes and boats, what would be more pragmatic would be after vaccinating the entire world, investing in the countries where people are crossing the border are coming from so they don't feel the need to cross in the first place.
Sorry if it complicates things that I believe in solutions that make sense rather than your nonsensical false equivocations.
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It's not because huge walls are proven to be ineffective. On the other hand, I would be a huge fan of the US spending $25B to vaccinate the entire world, which would be far more effective than a wall.
And considering people cross the border in airplanes and boats, what would be more pragmatic would be after vaccinating the entire world, investing in the countries where people are crossing the border are coming from so they don't feel the need to cross in the first place.
Sorry if it complicates things that I believe in solutions that make sense rather than your nonsensical false equivocations.
Nice deflection.
You said “stupid” Americans should literally be excluded from American society if they refuse to be vaccinated, and the reasoning is the negative impact they could have on public health.
Therefore, you must be an advocate for a complete and total shutdown on all immigration and travel into the United States unless absolute proof could be shown of vaccination.
Obviously, these “stupid” non vaccinated immigrants are a clear and present danger to the public health of the American citizens, right?
Again, unless you agree with the above, feel free to moralize and pontificate all you want, but do it in the mirror, where your audience won’t see right through your self righteous BS.
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Not to get too simple, but is this really an issue? From Marquette requiring vaccines, generally talking with other alums, the vaccine rate at an MU game has to be greater then 90%. Especially if there’s full approval next month for the kids.
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Therefore, you must be an advocate for a complete and total shutdown on all immigration and travel into the United States unless absolute proof could be shown of vaccination.
First, you're really bad at this exercise. Second, vaccinate them all upon arrival, which is essentially the same thing I proposed in my last post that you quoted but apparently were incapable of reading.
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Moomoo your trolling is embarrassing. Stop replying Brew. You are above that.
He is obviously being antagonistic and unrealistic.
He is playing you or he is simply a moron. Either way not worth your time.
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Sooooo back to the original question, we going to games this fall or not?
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Sooooo back to the original question, we going to games this fall or not?
Yes
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First, you're really bad at this exercise. Second, vaccinate them all upon arrival, which is essentially the same thing I proposed in my last post that you quoted but apparently were incapable of reading.
Brew
More deflection, huh?
You are really bad at trying to prove that you are not a typical virtue signaling hypocrite.
Stick to hoops and leave the hypocrisy to the politicians.
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Moomoo your trolling is embarrassing. Stop replying Brew. You are above that.
He is obviously being antagonistic and unrealistic.
He is playing you or he is simply a moron. Either way not worth your time.
Shooter
Not at all. I’m calling out soap box self appointed moral high ground “heroes” who feel the need to suggest discrimination against people who simply have a different opinion, all in the name of “public health”. Scary stuff that will always be challenged by me.
If you don’t like it, then ask your “isolate the non vaxers and keep them away from society” friends to keep their fascist ideas off the board.
As I said numerous times, I would rather be talking hoops.
Maybe this exercise will make Brew think twice about spewing his inconsistent and discriminatory views on scoop.
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Shooter
Not at all. I’m calling out soap box self appointed moral high ground “heroes” who feel the need to suggest discrimination against people who simply have a different opinion, all in the name of “public health”. Scary stuff that will always be challenged by me.
If you don’t like it, then ask your “isolate the non vaxers and keep them away from society” friends to keep their fascist ideas off the board.
As I said numerous times, I would rather be talking hoops.
Maybe this exercise will make Brew think twice about spewing his inconsistent and discriminatory views on scoop.
No, you're being intentionally obtuse. You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. And the fact is that the vaccine works, and people who are being responsible adults are getting the vaccine. Instead of treating the stupid people of the US with kid gloves we need to ostracize them from society, and mock their foolish opinions. There is nothing fascist about that, but then you probably don't understand the meaning of the word. You can be of the opinion that grass is blue, and the sky is green, but no one should take you seriously. Similarly, anyone who is antivax should not be taken seriously.
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No, you're being intentionally obtuse. You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. And the fact is that the vaccine works, and people who are being responsible adults are getting the vaccine. Instead of treating the stupid people of the US with kid gloves we need to ostracize them from society, and mock their foolish opinions. There is nothing fascist about that, but then you probably don't understand the meaning of the word. You can be of the opinion that grass is blue, and the sky is green, but no one should take you seriously. Similarly, anyone who is antivax should not be taken seriously.
“Stupid people of the US”??
Those who don’t vaccinate?
Very lazy thinking in so many ways not to mention a term wildly thrown around during previous admin…dictatorial??
This is a little more complex but I don’t want to over burden you
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Relatively certain that brew takes the disapproval of people with the opinions of moomoo as a badge of honor, something to aspire to.
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No, you're being intentionally obtuse. You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. And the fact is that the vaccine works, and people who are being responsible adults are getting the vaccine. Instead of treating the stupid people of the US with kid gloves we need to ostracize them from society, and mock their foolish opinions. There is nothing fascist about that, but then you probably don't understand the meaning of the word. You can be of the opinion that grass is blue, and the sky is green, but no one should take you seriously. Similarly, anyone who is antivax should not be taken seriously.
Wrong.
I am pro-vaccines, including the ones for Covid.
But I am also pro freedom of choice.
People are not a walking talking virus. We can’t assume that.
And I also will not back down from calling out the fascist, racist tendencies of many on the woke left.
Less that 30% of African Americans are vaccinated. Vaccine passports would affect them the most, like modern day segregation. I’m against that. Leave them alone.
They are smart enough to make their own decisions without self appointed saviors like you and Brew forcing something on them. The arrogance is astounding.
One hundred years ago, the best scientists decided to sterilize Jewish and Italian immigrants in the name of “public health”. Think about that. And no one complained. Look it up. Let’s learn from that disaster.
The elitists turn fascist real quick. If you don’t want to be called out on it, then don’t reveal your inclinations on this board.
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“Stupid people of the US”??
Those who don’t vaccinate?
Very lazy thinking in so many ways not to mention a term wildly thrown around during previous admin…dictatorial??
This is a little more complex but I don’t want to over burden you
Yes, stupid people.
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“Stupid people of the US”??
Those who don’t vaccinate?
Very lazy thinking in so many ways not to mention a term wildly thrown around during previous admin…dictatorial??
This is a little more complex but I don’t want to over burden you
Are schools dictatorial for requiring kids have vaccinations?
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Wrong.
I am pro-vaccines, including the ones for Covid.
But I am also pro freedom of choice.
People are not a walking talking virus. We can’t assume that.
And I also will not back down from calling out the fascist, racist tendencies of many on the woke left.
Less that 30% of African Americans are vaccinated. Vaccine passports would affect them the most, like modern day segregation. I’m against that. Leave them alone.
They are smart enough to make their own decisions without self appointed saviors like you and Brew forcing something on them. The arrogance is astounding.
One hundred years ago, the best scientists decided to sterilize Jewish and Italian immigrants in the name of “public health”. Think about that. And no one complained. Look it up. Let’s learn from that disaster.
The elitists turn fascist real quick. If you don’t want to be called out on it, then don’t reveal your inclinations on this board.
Worst post in Scoop history.
Congrats.
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Wrong.
I am pro-vaccines, including the ones for Covid.
But I am also pro freedom of choice.
People are not a walking talking virus. We can’t assume that.
And I also will not back down from calling out the fascist, racist tendencies of many on the woke left.
Less that 30% of African Americans are vaccinated. Vaccine passports would affect them the most, like modern day segregation. I’m against that. Leave them alone.
They are smart enough to make their own decisions without self appointed saviors like you and Brew forcing something on them. The arrogance is astounding.
One hundred years ago, the best scientists decided to sterilize Jewish and Italian immigrants in the name of “public health”. Think about that. And no one complained. Look it up. Let’s learn from that disaster.
The elitists turn fascist real quick. If you don’t want to be called out on it, then don’t reveal your inclinations on this board.
You've really nailed all the culture war cliches in the last few posts.
I'm also fairly certain you don't know what any of those words actually mean.
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Wrong.
I am pro-vaccines, including the ones for Covid.
But I am also pro freedom of choice.
People are not a walking talking virus. We can’t assume that.
And I also will not back down from calling out the fascist, racist tendencies of many on the woke left.
Less that 30% of African Americans are vaccinated. Vaccine passports would affect them the most, like modern day segregation. I’m against that. Leave them alone.
They are smart enough to make their own decisions without self appointed saviors like you and Brew forcing something on them. The arrogance is astounding.
One hundred years ago, the best scientists decided to sterilize Jewish and Italian immigrants in the name of “public health”. Think about that. And no one complained. Look it up. Let’s learn from that disaster.
The elitists turn fascist real quick. If you don’t want to be called out on it, then don’t reveal your inclinations on this board.
Oh good, another brainwashed lunatic. As if we didn't have enough in this country.
38% of Blacks have been vaccinated. 49% of Whites have been vaccinated. Again, you're entitled to your own stupid opinions, but not your own facts.
https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/percent-of-total-population-that-has-received-a-covid-19-vaccine-by-race-ethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
Pretty messed up that you're trying to equate forced sterilization with vaccination. Because they're not even remotely similar. I've said nothing racist, nor implied anything racist. And if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm far from 'elitist'. Whatever your strange definition of that is. I wonder if it's as off base as your perceived definition of fascism. Then again, I don't wonder that at all.
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“Stupid people of the US”??
Those who don’t vaccinate?
Very lazy thinking in so many ways not to mention a term wildly thrown around during previous admin…dictatorial??
This is a little more complex but I don’t want to over burden you
Yes, stupid people of the US. If you're not vaccinated, you are stupid. I've said this before, I'll say it again. There is nothing lazy about that.
And rocket, nothing you say could possibly overburden me.
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Oh good, another brainwashed lunatic. As if we didn't have enough in this country.
38% of Blacks have been vaccinated. 49% of Whites have been vaccinated. Again, you're entitled to your own stupid opinions, but not your own facts.
https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/percent-of-total-population-that-has-received-a-covid-19-vaccine-by-race-ethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
Pretty messed up that you're trying to equate forced sterilization with vaccination. Because they're not even remotely similar. I've said nothing racist, nor implied anything racist. And if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm far from 'elitist'. Whatever your strange definition of that is. I wonder if it's as off base as your perceived definition of fascism. Then again, I don't wonder that at all.
You couldn’t understand the analogy of scientists taking an extreme position and being wrong, yet you call others “stupid”?
That seems pretty “elitist” to me.
And I never said you said anything racist, so why are you saying you are not racist? I think I know why. “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
So if a policy disproportionately harms a particular ethnic group, we can’t suggest it’s racist? Or maybe is it that we can’t suggest it is racist because you agree with it and elitists like yourself can never be racist? Which is it?
Get off your high horse, and keep your needles away from adults who don’t want it.
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You couldn’t understand the analogy of scientists taking an extreme position and being wrong, yet you call others “stupid”?
That seems pretty “elitist” to me.
And I never said you said anything racist, so why are you saying you are not racist? I think I know why. “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
So if a policy disproportionately harms a particular ethnic group, we can’t suggest it’s racist? Or maybe is it that we can’t suggest it is racist because you agree with it and elitists like yourself can never be racist? Which is it?
Get off your high horse, and keep your needles away from adults who don’t want it.
Vaccination isn't simply about protecting you, but protecting those who are most vulnerable. Including those who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons.
It's just interesting that a society that rightfully praises military veterans for their "sacrifice," has a substantial segment that won't walk down to the local CVS to get vaccinated. And yes, I am equating the two. After Pearl Harbor and 9/11, many people dropped what they were doing to sign up. This pandemic has killed more than 200 9/11's, yet people can't make a much lesser sacrifice. It's sad.
The line between freedom and selfishness is often a thin one.
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You couldn’t understand the analogy of scientists taking an extreme position and being wrong, yet you call others “stupid”?
That seems pretty “elitist” to me.
And I never said you said anything racist, so why are you saying you are not racist? I think I know why. “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
So if a policy disproportionately harms a particular ethnic group, we can’t suggest it’s racist? Or maybe is it that we can’t suggest it is racist because you agree with it and elitists like yourself can never be racist? Which is it?
Get off your high horse, and keep your needles away from adults who don’t want it.
You're trying to use the word elitism as a pejorative, I get it. You don't like experts, scientists, or academia, I get it. They're elitist because they're more elite than you are. You're a simple caveman who is incapable of critical thought so everything is elitism to someone of your intelligence, I get it. You don't like being told what to do, I get it. Unfortunately, we're in this mess for this exact reason. Thousands of stupid people that don't know what is good for them despite overwhelming evidence. That isn't elitism.
Requiring vaccinations does not disproportionately harm any ethnic group. They're readily available to anyone who needs them. I have employees who have gotten them at the grocery store.
You're libertarian brain rot is on full display, and not surprisingly, it sounds a lot like the ramblings of a person who hasn't really thought through any of the garbage they espouse.
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You're trying to use the word elitism as a pejorative, I get it. You don't like experts, scientists, or academia, I get it. They're elitist because they're more elite than you are. You're a simple caveman who is incapable of critical thought so everything is elitism to someone of your intelligence, I get it.
His consistent use of phrases like "virtue signaling" and use of false equivalencies is a sure sign of his ability for critical thought.
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His consistent use of phrases like "virtue signaling" and use of false equivalencies is a sure sign of his ability for critical thought.
Equating forced sterilization with vaccination has to be one of the all time most idiotic analogies I've ever read on this board. And that's really saying something.
If you check his post history, on more than one occasion he has lavished praise upon guru... so you know the guy isn't playing with a full deck.
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Equating forced sterilization with vaccination has to be one of the all time most idiotic analogies I've ever read on this board. And that's really saying something.
If you check his post history, on more than one occasion he has lavished praise upon guru... so you know the guy isn't playing with a full deck.
Checking my post history? Wow. I really did strike a nerve with you.
Your head spins when you feel you have the moral high ground (which you don’t) and adults simply disagree with you. All you can do is suggest that others aren’t smart enough to know what’s good for them.
I’m so glad I called you out on this, because it exposes your tyrannical fascist inclinations.
That’s why you are in freak out mode.
Calm down, relax, recharge a little, and enjoy the day.
And stay away from adults who don’t want the vaccine.
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And stay away from adults who don’t want the vaccine.
So you think the vaccinated shouldn't go to the Marquette game because there undoubtedly would be some non-vaccinated people there.
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Checking my post history? Wow. I really did strike a nerve with you.
Your head spins when you feel you have the moral high ground (which you don’t) and adults simply disagree with you. All you can do is suggest that others aren’t smart enough to know what’s good for them.
I’m so glad I called you out on this, because it exposes your tyrannical fascist inclinations.
That’s why you are in freak out mode.
Calm down, relax, recharge a little, and enjoy the day.
And stay away from adults who don’t want the vaccine.
"Nice deflection"
You're cute. Stick around, guru, we've missed you.
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The intentional idiocy and false equivalency while trying so desperately to paint me into a corner is cute. Never before has it been so easy to live rent free in someone's head.
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And stay away from adults who don’t want the vaccine.
That's kind of the point.
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Wrong.
I am pro-vaccines, including the ones for Covid.
But I am also pro freedom of choice.
People are not a walking talking virus. We can’t assume that.
And I also will not back down from calling out the fascist, racist tendencies of many on the woke left.
Less that 30% of African Americans are vaccinated. Vaccine passports would affect them the most, like modern day segregation. I’m against that. Leave them alone.
They are smart enough to make their own decisions without self appointed saviors like you and Brew forcing something on them. The arrogance is astounding.
One hundred years ago, the best scientists decided to sterilize Jewish and Italian immigrants in the name of “public health”. Think about that. And no one complained. Look it up. Let’s learn from that disaster.
The elitists turn fascist real quick. If you don’t want to be called out on it, then don’t reveal your inclinations on this board.
WUHOO!!! We reached Godwins Law before the thread got locked! Mods really gave a long leash on this one. Made my day, thanks folks!
Now for the fun of it, my two cents:
Moomoo, I am also a conservative who also strongly believes that there should be no government mandate to get the vaccine (just imagine next time when we have something more dangerous than these very safe vaccines that might get forced upon us?).
That being said, private institutions can do whatever the hell they want. Employers can do whatever the hell they want. You don’t have to go to Marquette games or restaurants or work at a hospital if you don’t want the vaccine. On the flip side, by someone not getting the vaccine and insisting that they can go in public, you are now ostracizing EVERYONE ELSE who doesn’t want to get sick. Should people on the other side ALSO have the choice to not expose themselves or others? This is especially true for immunocompromised people who need to go shopping or those who have kids who can’t get the vaccine yet.
So who do we exclude? The people who believe false and misleading information on vaccines? Or should we exclude people who actually listened to their doctors, healthcare leaders, epidemiologists, etc?
Also, drop the hypocritical virtual signaling accusation… your “freedom” hill to die on of not getting a safe and effective prick in the arm is nothing compared to people who have ACTUALLY fought for our freedoms.
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The intentional idiocy and false equivalency while trying so desperately to paint me into a corner is cute. Never before has it been so easy to live rent free in someone's head.
Another great deflection. Your hypocrisy was exposed. And it was so easy to do. Take the loss and move on, Brew.
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When you're always the smartest one in the room but you're also the only one in the room.
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When you're always the smartest one in the room but you're also the only one in the room.
Schroedinger's moomoo
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WUHOO!!! We reached Godwins Law before the thread got locked! Mods really gave a long leash on this one. Made my day, thanks folks!
Now for the fun of it, my two cents:
Moomoo, I am also a conservative who also strongly believes that there should be no government mandate to get the vaccine (just imagine next time when we have something more dangerous than these very safe vaccines that might get forced upon us?).
That being said, private institutions can do whatever the hell they want. Employers can do whatever the hell they want. You don’t have to go to Marquette games or restaurants or work at a hospital if you don’t want the vaccine. On the flip side, by someone not getting the vaccine and insisting that they can go in public, you are now ostracizing EVERYONE ELSE who doesn’t want to get sick. Should people on the other side ALSO have the choice to not expose themselves or others? This is especially true for immunocompromised people who need to go shopping or those who have kids who can’t get the vaccine yet.
So who do we exclude? The people who believe false and misleading information on vaccines? Or should we exclude people who actually listened to their doctors, healthcare leaders, epidemiologists, etc?
Also, drop the hypocritical virtual signaling accusation… your “freedom” hill to die on of not getting a safe and effective prick in the arm is nothing compared to people who have ACTUALLY fought for our freedoms.
Employers can NOT do whatever they want. There are anti discrimination laws.
I believe discrimination against the nonvaxed is wrong. I don’t believe we should assume and treat all of them like a walking death trap. These are people who are making a choice that I need to respect, even if I disagree with it, which I do.
And how do the words virtue signaling equate to those who fought for our freedoms? There is no comparison in my book. None. Zero. If I gave that impression, it was not my intention.
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Nice deflection.
You said “stupid” Americans should literally be excluded from American society if they refuse to be vaccinated, and the reasoning is the negative impact they could have on public health.
Therefore, you must be an advocate for a complete and total shutdown on all immigration and travel into the United States unless absolute proof could be shown of vaccination.
Obviously, these “stupid” non vaccinated immigrants are a clear and present danger to the public health of the American citizens, right?
Again, unless you agree with the above, feel free to moralize and pontificate all you want, but do it in the mirror, where your audience won’t see right through your self righteous BS.
I'm confused. Brew called Americans who aren't vaxed stupid. The vast vast majority are, there's no ID required, no cost for most of them, no need for insurance, mobile centers that were coming to you etc. but you then used his stupid comment to project that onto immigrants. They haven't necessarily been given the same access and chance to get it so just be logical here, why do you think that Brew's stupid terminology for Americans would make sense for brand new immigrants?
I mean if they're here for a year unvaxed then yes they're stupid, if theyve been here for an hour then no they're not.
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Employers can NOT do whatever they want. There are anti discrimination laws.
I believe discrimination against the nonvaxed is wrong. I don’t believe we should assume and treat all of them like a walking death trap. These are people who are making a choice that I need to respect, even if I disagree with it, which I do.
And how do the words virtue signaling equate to those who fought for our freedoms? There is no comparison in my book. None. Zero. If I gave that impression, it was not my intention.
Employers can and do require vaccinations for their employees if they choose. Should I name some of these businesses for you, or would you like to keep tripping over your dick?
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I believe discrimination against the nonvaxed is wrong.
Does this go for all vaccines, or just COVID?
You're good with your kids sitting in class all day next to kids not vaccinated against polio and hepatitis?
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Employers can and do require vaccinations for their employees if they choose. Should I name some of these businesses for you, or would you like to keep tripping over your dick?
I know that. I don’t think it’s right.
And I seriously doubt you would say that to my face, so tone it down please.
You elitists get so angry and irrational when someone disagrees and you have no legitimate responses other than thinking of my johnson.
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Employers can NOT do whatever they want. There are anti discrimination laws.
I believe discrimination against the nonvaxed is wrong. I don’t believe we should assume and treat all of them like a walking death trap. These are people who are making a choice that I need to respect, even if I disagree with it, which I do.
And how do the words virtue signaling equate to those who fought for our freedoms? There is no comparison in my book. None. Zero. If I gave that impression, it was not my intention.
1. There are no anti-discrimination laws against vaccination status. Also, the precedent has been set multiple times that give employers (especially in the healthcare setting) the right to require vaccines.
2. Due to the nature of COVID being transmittable before symptoms show, you DO have to effectively consider anyone who's not vaccinated as potentially contagious.
3. It's your own virtue signaling... that somehow you are a brave freedom fighter, making the world better for those poor anti-vaxxers who don't want microchips injected into their body (or whatever false assumptions they are making).
Just out of curiosity, since you are basically saying everyone is responsible for their own decisions on how to stay safe and we can't mandate any controls... do you believe smoking on an airplane should be allowed? Even if second hand smoke is a leading cause of cancer and the non-smoker has no control on whether the other person smokes or not. What about drunk driving? I mean, watch out for yourself right? It's my choice to put myself in danger by driving while under the influence... if you don't like that, stay off the roads, right?
Perhaps those are slightly exagerated examples, but the point is, some health and safety decisions people make DO affect others. That is when we need to consider whether the cost of regulating those situations vs the good those rules do for society. I don't think there's a clear red line on that... but the option should be there.
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I know that. I don’t think it’s right.
And I seriously doubt you would say that to my face, so tone it down please.
You elitists get so angry and irrational when someone disagrees and you have no legitimate responses other than thinking of my johnson.
Ah, nice. A veiled threat of violence for speaking my mind. Classic. But I'm the angry one, huh? lmao.
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Does this go for all vaccines, or just COVID?
You're good with your kids sitting in class all day next to kids not vaccinated against polio and hepatitis?
Brother Pakuni:
You just hit the nail on the head. We require vaccinations for smallpox, mumps, measles, polio and a host of other childhood diseases. Your child doesn't have 'em, they don't go to school. Period. End of discussion.
In Illinois in 1979, we found a school district with no evidence of polio vaccinations for a good part of the high school. When the state found out about it, they went berzerk and threatened to close the high school and, if opened, prohibit the unvaccinated from attending. That's what a state does.
I'll agree with others that the State cannot force at gunpoint people to stop acting stupidly. Your right... your risk. But we can and should put restrictions on what the stupidly unvaccinated can do. Going to basketball games, working in an office, entering a food store or attending school should be starters. I'm an extremist, but I believe that beginning, say, October 1, we should eliminate all masking and distancing requirements and allow health insurance providers to exclude payment for treatment of Covid-19, IF YOU ARE UNVACCINATED!
I'm amazed at how stupid even smart people can be. My wife and I have a friend who has a law degree and worked for several very high powered organizations. Yet, she refuses to be vaccinated. I just don't get it. Time to stop thinking raw idiocy and GET VACCINATED!
There is no reason why anyone older than 12 years should be unvaccinated. The vaccine is widely available. If you're poor, well, it's free. If you can't travel; chances are the providers will come to you. Even in Florida, you can be vaccinated and then buy your guns at Walmart!
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Ah, nice. A veiled threat of violence for speaking my mind. Classic. But I'm the angry one, huh? lmao.
Oh boy.
Nope. Just stating that I think you would be classier than that in person, so I politely asked to relax.
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Employers can NOT do whatever they want. There are anti discrimination laws.
I believe discrimination against the nonvaxed is wrong.
I've been just watching this trainwreck from the sidelines and enjoying it, but you've now stumbled into my line of work.
I'm not sure if you know this or not, but the argument you are trying to make about vaccine passports is called "disparate impact". This argument is that something that is not discriminatory on its face and is not necessarily intended to be discriminatory is in fact discriminatory because it disproportionately and adversely impacts a specific protected class.
The easiest example of a disparate impact case would be a position description requiring a bachelor's degree for a job that has no legitimate reason to require it. It has a disparate impact on people based on race because less Black, Latinx, and Native American people have bachelor's degrees than White people. Another example would be including a weightlifting requirement for a desk job that involves no lifting responsibilities. This could have a disparate impact based on both sex and ability as women are less likely to be able to meet a weightlifting requirement than men and people with certain disabilities may not be able to meet the requirement.
I actually investigate cases like this for a living. Your argument seems to be that an employer requiring an employee to get vaccinated would be discriminatory based on race because less Black people are vaccinated than White people. The numbers I have seen are that 49% of White people are vaccinated and 38% of Black people are vaccinated. I'm sure there are other sources with different numbers, feel free to insert your own from another legitimate source. If the 49/38 numbers are correct, you are going to have a tough time arguing disparate impact. The standard is "significantly higher proportion of proportion of protected class members than non-protected class members" and what that means depends on the specifics of the case. It's not impossible, but the winning cases I have seen have much higher disparities than this.
But let's say that the 11% difference is enough of a disparity. The next element that must be met for a successful claim is a "lack of a substantial legitimate justification". In English, this means that the employer needs to have a reasonable business-related purpose for having this practice/policy. To use my examples from before, it would be discriminatory for a hair salon to require bachelor's degrees for their stylists. It would not be discriminatory for a hospital to require bachelor's degrees from their nurses because that level of education and training is necessary. The other example, a telemarketing gig having a weightlifting requirement would be discriminatory, but a construction worker gig requiring it is absolutely legitimate.
This element is where your claim would fall apart (assuming it didn't fall apart at the first element). Employers have a legitimate interest in protecting their employees and their customers from a pandemic. Any judge in the country would side with the employer on this.
Finally, because I unfortunately think it needs to be spelled out, the federally protected classes in this country are: race/color, sex (which includes pregnancy, gender identity and sexual orientation), national origin, religion, ability status, age (40+), veteran status, and genetic information. It does not include vaccination status.
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Oh boy.
Nope. Just stating that I think you would be classier than that in person, so I politely asked to relax.
No, I would certainly tell you that you're being stupid right to your stupid face if you're acting this stupid. I think the problem is that no one has ever actually told you.
You made a claim that was easily debunked in three seconds, and then brushed it off as if you knew all along. This is something stupid people often. I look forward to doing it more in the coming posts.
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I've been just watching this trainwreck from the sidelines and enjoying it, but you've now stumbled into my line of work.
I'm not sure if you know this or not, but the argument you are trying to make about vaccine passports is called "disparate impact". This argument is that something that is not discriminatory on its face and is not necessarily intended to be discriminatory is in fact discriminatory because it disproportionately and adversely impacts a specific protected class.
The easiest example of a disparate impact case would be a position description requiring a bachelor's degree for a job that has no legitimate reason to require it. It has a disparate impact on people based on race because less Black, Latinx, and Native American people have bachelor's degrees than White people. Another example would be including a weightlifting requirement for a desk job that involves no lifting responsibilities. This could have a disparate impact based on both sex and ability as women are less likely to be able to meet a weightlifting requirement than men and people with certain disabilities may not be able to meet the requirement.
I actually investigate cases like this for a living. Your argument seems to be that an employer requiring an employee to get vaccinated would be discriminatory based on race because less Black people are vaccinated than White people. The numbers I have seen are that 49% of White people are vaccinated and 38% of Black people are vaccinated. I'm sure there are other sources with different numbers, feel free to insert your own from another legitimate source. If the 49/38 numbers are correct, you are going to have a tough time arguing disparate impact. The standard is "significantly higher proportion of proportion of protected class members than non-protected class members" and what that means depends on the specifics of the case. It's not impossible, but the winning cases I have seen have much higher disparities than this.
But let's say that the 11% difference is enough of a disparity. The next element that must be met for a successful claim is a "lack of a substantial legitimate justification". In English, this means that the employer needs to have a reasonable business-related reason for having this practice/policy. To use my examples from before, it would be discriminatory for a hair salon to require bachelor's degrees for their stylists. It would not be discriminatory for a hospital to require bachelor's degrees from their nurses because that level of education and training is necessary. The other example, a telemarketing gig having a weightlifting requirement would be discriminatory, but a construction worker gig requiring it is absolutely legitimate.
This element is where your claim would fall apart (assuming it didn't fall apart at the first element). Employers have a legitimate interest in protecting their employees and their customers from a pandemic. Any judge in the country would side with the employer on this.
Finally, because I unfortunately think it needs to be spelled out, the federally protected classes in this country are: race/color, sex (which includes pregnancy, gender identity and sexual orientation), national origin, religion, ability status, age (40+), veteran status, and genetic information. It does not include vaccination status.
You are so elitist with your "knowledge" and "experience."
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No, I would certainly tell you that you're being stupid right to your stupid face if you're acting this stupid. I think the problem is that no one has ever actually told you.
You made a claim that was easily debunked in three seconds, and then brushed it off as if you knew all along. This is something stupid people often. I look forward to doing it more in the coming posts.
My “stupid face”? Lol.
Ten year olds say that!
Take it easy, Hards. I’m afraid you may get a heart attack. Getting crazy and repeating yourself doesn’t enhance your argument. It actually suggests you are overcompensating for something.
And I still don’t think you would say that to me in person.
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Hold up guys for a minute. I need to make more popcorn.
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Brother Pakuni:
You just hit the nail on the head. We require vaccinations for smallpox, mumps, measles, polio and a host of other childhood diseases. Your child doesn't have 'em, they don't go to school. Period. End of discussion.
In Illinois in 1979, we found a school district with no evidence of polio vaccinations for a good part of the high school. When the state found out about it, they went berzerk and threatened to close the high school and, if opened, prohibit the unvaccinated from attending. That's what a state does.
I'll agree with others that the State cannot force at gunpoint people to stop acting stupidly. Your right... your risk. But we can and should put restrictions on what the stupidly unvaccinated can do. Going to basketball games, working in an office, entering a food store or attending school should be starters. I'm an extremist, but I believe that beginning, say, October 1, we should eliminate all masking and distancing requirements and allow health insurance providers to exclude payment for treatment of Covid-19, IF YOU ARE UNVACCINATED!
I'm amazed at how stupid even smart people can be. My wife and I have a friend who has a law degree and worked for several very high powered organizations. Yet, she refuses to be vaccinated. I just don't get it. Time to stop thinking raw idiocy and GET VACCINATED!
There is no reason why anyone older than 12 years should be unvaccinated. The vaccine is widely available. If you're poor, well, it's free. If you can't travel; chances are the providers will come to you. Even in Florida, you can be vaccinated and then buy your guns at Walmart!
I agree.
People should get vaccinated.
But those who choose not to should NOT be assumed to be Covid positive and they should NOT be discriminated against and they should not be FORCED to take the vaccine.
My last post on the topic.
Good luck everyone. Even FBM, Brew and Hards.
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Just out of curiosity, since you are basically saying everyone is responsible for their own decisions on how to stay safe and we can't mandate any controls... do you believe smoking on an airplane should be allowed? Even if second hand smoke is a leading cause of cancer and the non-smoker has no control on whether the other person smokes or not. What about drunk driving? I mean, watch out for yourself right? It's my choice to put myself in danger by driving while under the influence... if you don't like that, stay off the roads, right?
I'd like to see moomoo's response to this.
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I agree.
People should get vaccinated.
But those who choose not to should NOT be assumed to be Covid positive and they should NOT be discriminated against and they should not be FORCED to take the vaccine.
My last post on the topic.
Good luck everyone. Even FBM, Brew and Hards.
Yeah, you should have probably dipped out a couple of posts ago.
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Yeah, you should have probably dipped out a couple of posts ago.
And miss your posts acting like a child who got his ice cream taken away, because he had no real answers to a different perspective?
No way.
Friendly advice Hards: people with opposing opinions, just like people who are not vaccinated, are not the enemy. When you treat them as such, you come across like an unhinged lunatic tyrant who should be no where near public health decisions.
When you realize this, you will be happier and make better assessments.
Good luck.
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I agree.
People should get vaccinated.
But those who choose not to should NOT be assumed to be Covid positive and they should NOT be discriminated against and they should not be FORCED to take the vaccine.
My last post on the topic.
Good luck everyone. Even FBM, Brew and Hards.
This is the flaw in thinking. The unvaccinated should be viewed as having the virus because we don’t always know. Asymptomatic spread is what makes this so dangerous.
So why do those who don’t take the easy precaution of being vaccinated get to run the show? Whether they think it or not, they are a risk to others.
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Are schools dictatorial for requiring kids have vaccinations?
private school? No. I think it’s bs, but no.
And the kid can choose to go to school elsewhere.
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When I have surgery in a hospital, I expect to be treated by vaccinated people. With the 10+ people that will in in and out of the room each day (probably a lot more; most of whom will not adequately wash or sanitize their hands between clients unless you are at one of the few top hospitals); half dozen people breathing on you during surgery, etc... I would sure expect the providers to be vaccinated while working with people who's immune systems are down. To do otherwise borders on malfeasance.
Does moomoo want a hospital that has a "you don't need to be vaccinated here to work" policy? Same with a nursing home where moomoo would put a parent?
The free market is likely to favor hospital systems with a "employees must be vaccinated policy" and thus the employers are likely to require vaccinations of employees.
I'd expect a lot of employers that want to attract highly successful highly educated people into a corporate in person meetings to have a must vax policy to attract the best and brightest. Capitalism will dictate that these types of places have a must vax policy. As more and more people get vaccinated, more and more businesses will find it to their advantage to demand vaccinations as a condition of employment.
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And miss your posts acting like a child who got his ice cream taken away, because he had no real answers to a different perspective?
No way.
Friendly advice Hards: people with opposing opinions, just like people who are not vaccinated, are not the enemy. When you treat them as such, you come across like an unhinged lunatic tyrant who should be no where near public health decisions.
When you realize this, you will be happier and make better assessments.
Good luck.
People that are unvaccinated are very much the enemy. I have HAD it. And, frankly those that apologize or make excuses for them are the same.
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Employers can and do require vaccinations for their employees if they choose. Should I name some of these businesses for you, or would you like to keep tripping over your dick?
are you serious? I doubt you’d opine like this in person. What I find interesting is that many on this board would appear to be pro-choice on abortion. Just a gut on my part as we’ve certainly hammered away on a lot of stuff away from hoops! However, almost no one, it would appear, is pro-choice on the Covid vaccine. Kill a kid? Your call. Covid vaccine. You must...you stupid person!! Anyway, you think we’ll beat UW again this year?
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There are substantial differences between abortion and vaccination. Pretty much everyone can figure that out. Can you?
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are you serious? I doubt you’d opine like this in person. What I find interesting is that many on this board would appear to be pro-choice on abortion. Just a gut on my part as we’ve certainly hammered away on a lot of stuff away from hoops! However, almost no one, it would appear, is pro-choice on the Covid vaccine. Kill a kid? Your call. Covid vaccine. You must...you stupid person!! Anyway, you think we’ll beat UW again this year?
If we are vaccinated and MU has mandatory vaccination to attend games and the university, and UW does not, I like our odds a bit better versus UW. How's that for an answer?
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You are so elitist with your "knowledge" and "experience."
As Asimov said, "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge" has long been a feature of American political and cultural life. It's just having a particularly strong renaissance is certain places.
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/07/01/us/politics/01dc-boebert-pix1/01dc-boebert-pix1-facebookJumbo.jpg)
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People that are unvaccinated are very much the enemy. I have HAD it. And, frankly those that apologize or make excuses for them are the same.
^This.
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Finally, because I unfortunately think it needs to be spelled out, the federally protected classes in this country are: race/color, sex (which includes pregnancy, gender identity and sexual orientation), national origin, religion, ability status, age (40+), veteran status, and genetic information. It does not include vaccination status.
Also, political affiliation is not a protected class.
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are you serious? I doubt you’d opine like this in person. What I find interesting is that many on this board would appear to be pro-choice on abortion. Just a gut on my part as we’ve certainly hammered away on a lot of stuff away from hoops! However, almost no one, it would appear, is pro-choice on the Covid vaccine. Kill a kid? Your call. Covid vaccine. You must...you stupid person!! Anyway, you think we’ll beat UW again this year?
So are you saying you're pro choice now? I mean if you make that comparison, then it works both ways amigo.
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However, almost no one, it would appear, is pro-choice on the Covid vaccine. Kill a kid? Your call. Covid vaccine. You must...you stupid person!!
I'm going to assume that this was an attempt to get the thread locked and not an actual argument.
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Employers can NOT do whatever they want. There are anti discrimination laws.
I believe discrimination against the nonvaxed is wrong. I don’t believe we should assume and treat all of them like a walking death trap. These are people who are making a choice that I need to respect, even if I disagree with it, which I do.
And how do the words virtue signaling equate to those who fought for our freedoms? There is no comparison in my book. None. Zero. If I gave that impression, it was not my intention.
so does the Mayor of very liberal Boston. Well, discrimination against certain unvaccinated:
https://nypost.com/2021/08/04/boston-mayor-compares-nycs-vaccine-mandate-to-slavery/
“During slavery, post-slavery, as recent as, you know, what the immigrant population has to go through here, we’ve heard Trump with the birth certificate nonsense,” Janey told WCVB. “Here, we want to make sure that we are not doing anything that would further create a barrier for residents of Boston or disproportionally impact BIPOC communities.”
At least she didn't use "Latinix."
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Hold up guys for a minute. I need to make more popcorn.
Hey Chili - Can you grab one for me?
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People that are unvaccinated are very much the enemy. I have HAD it. And, frankly those that apologize or make excuses for them are the same.
Rjax
Sorry, I need some clarification here.
You just said that unvaccinated people, regardless if they have Covid or not, are your enemy?
Wow.
You just cemented, in one post, the exact fear in many people.
They are your enemy.
Scary stuff.
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so does the Mayor of very liberal Boston. Well, discrimination against certain unvaccinated:
https://nypost.com/2021/08/04/boston-mayor-compares-nycs-vaccine-mandate-to-slavery/
“During slavery, post-slavery, as recent as, you know, what the immigrant population has to go through here, we’ve heard Trump with the birth certificate nonsense,” Janey told WCVB. “Here, we want to make sure that we are not doing anything that would further create a barrier for residents of Boston or disproportionally impact BIPOC communities.”
At least she didn't use "Latinix."
And here's why rational people don't read the New York Post. Nothing in that comment compared vaccine mandates to slavery. That is what can I only assume, given that it's a Murdoch entity, an intentional misinterpretation of her comment.
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Rjax
Sorry, I need some clarification here.
You just said that unvaccinated people, regardless if they have Covid or not, are your enemy?
Wow.
You just cemented, in one post, the exact fear in many people.
They are your enemy.
Scary stuff.
I made myself perfectly clear. By being unvaccinated, you allow the virus to spread and have a significantly greater chance of ending up in the hospital. That's the facts. Look at Florida currently. Hospitals are filling up and care for all patients is likely to be rationed. Either you are part of the solution or part of the problem.
Anyway, you likely know this. And, I'm not interested in playing the MUScoop troll game.
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I'll readily admit, my supply of unnatural carnal knowledges to give for these anti-vax arseholes is at a historic low.
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Hate to interrupt this near useless argument (certainly not a discussion), but has anyone heard about South Carolina's stance on the Charleston Classic? Now that we've purchased tickets, inquiring basketball fans want to know.
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Hate to interrupt this near useless argument (certainly not a discussion), but has anyone heard about South Carolina's stance on the Charleston Classic? Now that we've purchased tickets, inquiring basketball fans want to know.
SC gov makes DeSantis look like a germaphobe, so doubt any restrictions.
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Hate to interrupt this near useless argument (certainly not a discussion), but has anyone heard about South Carolina's stance on the Charleston Classic? Now that we've purchased tickets, inquiring basketball fans want to know.
Take your basketball related questions and get outa here! You have some nerve interrupting this highly productive thread!
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If we are vaccinated and MU has mandatory vaccination to attend games and the university, and UW does not, I like our odds a bit better versus UW. How's that for an answer?
good answer!...but keep in mind nut-puncher Davison is back for RED.
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Hate to interrupt this near useless argument (certainly not a discussion), but has anyone heard about South Carolina's stance on the Charleston Classic? Now that we've purchased tickets, inquiring basketball fans want to know.
I just checked a couple days ago, and SC is wide open with no plans for anything different.
But obviously nobody can know in August what havoc the virus will be wreaking in November, so we'll just have to see.
As for this thread's other subject ...
I'd like to thank TAMU and UWW2MU for making such relevant, reasonable, fact-filled posts that the anti-vax apologists didn't even attempt to refute them.
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are you serious? I doubt you’d opine like this in person. What I find interesting is that many on this board would appear to be pro-choice on abortion. Just a gut on my part as we’ve certainly hammered away on a lot of stuff away from hoops! However, almost no one, it would appear, is pro-choice on the Covid vaccine. Kill a kid? Your call. Covid vaccine. You must...you stupid person!! Anyway, you think we’ll beat UW again this year?
Brother Viper:
OK, I'm pro life and pro vaccination. If you are committed to defending life in all its forms, you take reasonable steps to preserve it at every phase. That's where the vaccination comes in. If you respect life, all life, then you make sure everyone has it so their disease does not pose a risk to anyone else.
Again, your right... your risk. But I want my government locking down or severely restricting the unvaccinated.
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Brother Viper:
OK, I'm pro life and pro vaccination. If you are committed to defending life in all its forms, you take reasonable steps to preserve it at every phase. That's where the vaccination comes in. If you respect life, all life, then you make sure everyone has it so their disease does not pose a risk to anyone else.
Again, your right... your risk. But I want my government locking down or severely restricting the unvaccinated.
I swear if you kill so much as one mosquito down in Florida you're a hypocrite
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I swear if you kill so much as one mosquito down in Florida you're a hypocrite
Or eat one steak.
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Brother Viper:
OK, I'm pro life and pro vaccination. If you are committed to defending life in all its forms, you take reasonable steps to preserve it at every phase. That's where the vaccination comes in. If you respect life, all life, then you make sure everyone has it so their disease does not pose a risk to anyone else.
Again, your right... your risk. But I want my government locking down or severely restricting the unvaccinated.
Ding Ding Ding!
Do immune compromised, ill, and older people not matter so much to pro-lifers?
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I know that. I don’t think it’s right.
And I seriously doubt you would say that to my face, so tone it down please.
You elitists get so angry and irrational when someone disagrees and you have no legitimate responses other than thinking of my johnson.
LMAO mr.moo moo ready to throw fists through the keyboard. peak Scoop
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Ironically, true libertarians understand that individual freedoms end when they infringe on other's individual freedoms.
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Do immune compromised, ill, and older people not matter so much to pro-lifers?
Of course they do. But those people generally have at least some ability to take care of themselves. If they feel endangered, they can avoid places they consider to be high-risk.
An unborn fetus has no ability to defend or protect itself under any circumstances.
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Brother Viper:
OK, I'm pro life and pro vaccination. If you are committed to defending life in all its forms, you take reasonable steps to preserve it at every phase. That's where the vaccination comes in. If you respect life, all life, then you make sure everyone has it so their disease does not pose a risk to anyone else.
Again, your right... your risk. But I want my government locking down or severely restricting the unvaccinated.
solid, w/one exception. Other than enforcement of law, security/nat. defense, I don’t want govt intervention.
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How has this mamma jamma not been locked?? This is the Thelma and Louise of threads. How far can we go!!?!?!
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solid, w/one exception. Other than enforcement of law, security/nat. defense, I don’t want govt intervention.
So then you're in full support of individual private entities catering to vaccinated only crowds? Or requiring workers to be vaccinated?
No government intervention, just a business deciding that's what they want.
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I swear if you kill so much as one mosquito down in Florida you're a hypocrite
Brother Galway:
Let me clarify, LOL!
Human life LOL!
I have a deal with the mosquito population in Florida. They don’t bug me and I’ll leave them alone!
As to beef, if God didn’t want us to eat cow, why did God make it so tasty?
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I swear if you kill so much as one mosquito down in Florida you're a hypocrite
Ha! If this was jeopardy the answer would be “what would moo moo say?”
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Brother Galway:
Let me clarify, LOL!
Human life LOL!
I have a deal with the mosquito population in Florida. They don’t bug me and I’ll leave them alone!
As to beef, if God didn’t want us to eat cow moo moos, why did God make it so tasty?
FIFY
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And miss your posts acting like a child who got his ice cream taken away, because he had no real answers to a different perspective?
No way.
Friendly advice Hards: people with opposing opinions, just like people who are not vaccinated, are not the enemy. When you treat them as such, you come across like an unhinged lunatic tyrant who should be no where near public health decisions.
When you realize this, you will be happier and make better assessments.
Good luck.
Your perspective is objectively flawed. I never called anyone 'the enemy' so stop with the straw man argument. Just called you stupid for being stupid. Objectively.
Thought you were done with this thread? How many more good byes do you have in you?
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Ha! If this was jeopardy the answer would be “what would moo moo say?”
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x15pllv
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are you serious? I doubt you’d opine like this in person. What I find interesting is that many on this board would appear to be pro-choice on abortion. Just a gut on my part as we’ve certainly hammered away on a lot of stuff away from hoops! However, almost no one, it would appear, is pro-choice on the Covid vaccine. Kill a kid? Your call. Covid vaccine. You must...you stupid person!! Anyway, you think we’ll beat UW again this year?
Again, you guys keep telling me what I would and wouldn't say in person. The implication is what? That I'd be afraid? That'd I'd eschew my values to spare the feelings of the person that I'm talking to? What would I possibly have to lose? I just don't understand this line of thought.
Also, your must get your analogies from moomoo because they're just as stupid.
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Ironically, true libertarians understand that individual freedoms end when they infringe on other's individual freedoms.
It is almost as if JS Mill was onto something with the harm principle.
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Brother Galway:
Let me clarify, LOL!
Human life LOL!
I have a deal with the mosquito population in Florida. They don’t bug me and I’ll leave them alone!
As to beef, if God didn’t want us to eat cow, why did God make it so tasty?
PETA
People Eating Tasty Animals
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PETA
People Eating Tasty Animals
Or PESA. people eating smoked animals.
It's a subsidiary.
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PETA
People Eating Tasty Animals
Clearly discrimination against the insipid animals!
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Of course they do. But those people generally have at least some ability to take care of themselves. If they feel endangered, they can avoid places they consider to be high-risk.
An unborn fetus has no ability to defend or protect itself under any circumstances.
+ a whole bunch right here
oh, and i'll solve the puzzle
-save the pangolin
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> An unborn fetus has no ability to defend or protect itself under any circumstances.
Pregnancy complications and childbirth injure & kill women all the time, and it's high time that we hold fetuses accountable for their crimes. I think it's premature of you to rule out self-defense.
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OK, not sure where I am positioned here. Pro vaccination but also pro choice.
The vaccinations are in response to a global pandemic of a highly contagious, infectious virus that has already killed thousands that could be arrested with proper vaccination and hygienic practices. The virus could affect many unsuspecting, unwitting people who either purposely or ignorantly ignore warnings, trends and medical facts.
Pro choice is an actual enforcement of a FREEDOM the constitution guarantees to allow the parent or parents of the unborn fetus to make the choice of abortion or not on each single case. The constitutional ruling does not REQUIRE or impel a person to HAVE an abortion. It simply protects, particularly, the woman's CHOICE to have one or not. Don't blame the constitution for your religious or faith groups inability to counsel , educate or enforce your own group's moral code on your own flock. I do not want or need the constitution to mandate YOUR codes upon me because you can't influence all of your flock to follow your beliefs. The constitution is not in place to enforce your moral or religious code upon those who are not in your flock.
Vaccinating or not is not a moral, religious or political position. It is simply a medical one facing all of us at the same time. What you do or don't DOES and CAN affect me directly and indirectly... Mandating vaccinations is not an act of communism or a violation of your freedom because your choice can and DOES affect me and my health and that of others.
Sorry for the further hijack of this thread that was off the rails much earlier...
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OK, not sure where I am positioned here. Pro vaccination but also pro choice.
The vaccinations are in response to a global pandemic of a highly contagious, infectious virus that has already killed thousands that could be arrested with proper vaccination and hygienic practices. The virus could affect many unsuspecting, unwitting people who either purposely or ignorantly ignore warnings, trends and medical facts.
Pro choice is an actual enforcement of a FREEDOM the constitution guarantees to allow the parent or parents of the unborn fetus to make the choice of abortion or not on each single case. The constitutional ruling does not REQUIRE or impel a person to HAVE an abortion. It simply protects, particularly, the woman's CHOICE to have one or not. Don't blame the constitution for your religious or faith groups inability to counsel , educate or enforce your own group's moral code on your own flock. I do not want or need the constitution to mandate YOUR codes upon me because you can't influence all of your flock to follow your beliefs. The constitution is not in place to enforce your moral or religious code upon those who are not in your flock.
Vaccinating or not is not a moral, religious or political position. It is simply a medical one facing all of us at the same time. What you do or don't DOES and CAN affect me directly and indirectly... Mandating vaccinations is not an act of communism or a violation of your freedom because your choice can and DOES affect me and my health and that of others.
Sorry for the further hijack of this thread that was off the rails much earlier...
Well said. Thanks.
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OK, not sure where I am positioned here. Pro vaccination but also pro choice.
The vaccinations are in response to a global pandemic of a highly contagious, infectious virus that has already killed thousands that could be arrested with proper vaccination and hygienic practices. The virus could affect many unsuspecting, unwitting people who either purposely or ignorantly ignore warnings, trends and medical facts.
Pro choice is an actual enforcement of a FREEDOM the constitution guarantees to allow the parent or parents of the unborn fetus to make the choice of abortion or not on each single case. The constitutional ruling does not REQUIRE or impel a person to HAVE an abortion. It simply protects, particularly, the woman's CHOICE to have one or not. Don't blame the constitution for your religious or faith groups inability to counsel , educate or enforce your own group's moral code on your own flock. I do not want or need the constitution to mandate YOUR codes upon me because you can't influence all of your flock to follow your beliefs. The constitution is not in place to enforce your moral or religious code upon those who are not in your flock.
Vaccinating or not is not a moral, religious or political position. It is simply a medical one facing all of us at the same time. What you do or don't DOES and CAN affect me directly and indirectly... Mandating vaccinations is not an act of communism or a violation of your freedom because your choice can and DOES affect me and my health and that of others.
Sorry for the further hijack of this thread that was off the rails much earlier...
This guy f*cks
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OK, not sure where I am positioned here. Pro vaccination but also pro choice.
The vaccinations are in response to a global pandemic of a highly contagious, infectious virus that has already killed thousands that could be arrested with proper vaccination and hygienic practices. The virus could affect many unsuspecting, unwitting people who either purposely or ignorantly ignore warnings, trends and medical facts.
Pro choice is an actual enforcement of a FREEDOM the constitution guarantees to allow the parent or parents of the unborn fetus to make the choice of abortion or not on each single case. The constitutional ruling does not REQUIRE or impel a person to HAVE an abortion. It simply protects, particularly, the woman's CHOICE to have one or not. Don't blame the constitution for your religious or faith groups inability to counsel , educate or enforce your own group's moral code on your own flock. I do not want or need the constitution to mandate YOUR codes upon me because you can't influence all of your flock to follow your beliefs. The constitution is not in place to enforce your moral or religious code upon those who are not in your flock.
Vaccinating or not is not a moral, religious or political position. It is simply a medical one facing all of us at the same time. What you do or don't DOES and CAN affect me directly and indirectly... Mandating vaccinations is not an act of communism or a violation of your freedom because your choice can and DOES affect me and my health and that of others.
Sorry for the further hijack of this thread that was off the rails much earlier...
This. All of this.
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Well said. Thanks.
Boychik, glad you are onboard with the poster who rocks the eubonics screen name, hey?
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OK, not sure where I am positioned here. Pro vaccination but also pro choice.
The vaccinations are in response to a global pandemic of a highly contagious, infectious virus that has already killed thousands that could be arrested with proper vaccination and hygienic practices. The virus could affect many unsuspecting, unwitting people who either purposely or ignorantly ignore warnings, trends and medical facts.
Pro choice is an actual enforcement of a FREEDOM the constitution guarantees to allow the parent or parents of the unborn fetus to make the choice of abortion or not on each single case. The constitutional ruling does not REQUIRE or impel a person to HAVE an abortion. It simply protects, particularly, the woman's CHOICE to have one or not. Don't blame the constitution for your religious or faith groups inability to counsel , educate or enforce your own group's moral code on your own flock. I do not want or need the constitution to mandate YOUR codes upon me because you can't influence all of your flock to follow your beliefs. The constitution is not in place to enforce your moral or religious code upon those who are not in your flock.
Vaccinating or not is not a moral, religious or political position. It is simply a medical one facing all of us at the same time. What you do or don't DOES and CAN affect me directly and indirectly... Mandating vaccinations is not an act of communism or a violation of your freedom because your choice can and DOES affect me and my health and that of others.
Sorry for the further hijack of this thread that was off the rails much earlier...
That being said, the fetus has to acquire rights at some point prior to birth. And as such, we all have a compelling reason to protect those rights. So at some point, the right of the mother to choose becomes secondary to the fetus' right to live. Some suggest that is at conception. Others suggest it is much later than that.
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Or eat one steak.
Brother Galway:
Let me clarify, LOL!
Human life LOL!
I have a deal with the mosquito population in Florida. They don’t bug me and I’ll leave them alone!
As to beef, if God didn’t want us to eat cow, why did God make it so tasty?
Remember, meat is murder......tasty, tasty murder.
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So then you're in full support of individual private entities catering to vaccinated only crowds? Or requiring workers to be vaccinated?
No government intervention, just a business deciding that's what they want.
not sure I’m following you, Galway. individual private entities catering only to the vaccinated, or requiring workers to be vaccinated would imply govt intervention, I would think. Maybe I’ll change my mind, but right now I’m ‘choice’ on this deal, hoping Fauci stays in the Boca condo, hoping Biden doesn’t drive the 18-wheeler, can’t wait for ‘22 elections and I really hope Brad Davison gets nut-punched by anyone.
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For the pro vaccine choice group, this happened to me this week. I went to see a cardiologist for my yearly visit. At the front desk, they asked me if I had "any close contacts with any persons positive with COVID?" I explained that I had seen two patients the previous week in the hospital with full PPE. The physician refused to see me. I've had this happen before: echocardiogram, dentists, who saw me after being with COVID patients. This time, I was offered a phone/ video visit. I refused because it had been two years since I've seen someone in person and I had paid a babysitter. I was also asked not to coach my daughter's soccer team, because my "COVID exposure is too high," working in the hospital.
Because I work in a hospital, the longer the pandemic goes on, the more things I don't get to experience or get my personal health care denied. Choosing not to get vaccinated, literally affects EVERYONE.
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not sure I’m following you, Galway. individual private entities catering only to the vaccinated, or requiring workers to be vaccinated would imply govt intervention, I would think. Maybe I’ll change my mind, but right now I’m ‘choice’ on this deal, hoping Fauci stays in the Boca condo, hoping Biden doesn’t drive the 18-wheeler, can’t wait for ‘22 elections and I really hope Brad Davison gets nut-punched by anyone.
How? If I'm a short staffed bar or restaurant and I don't want my workers to get Covid and be forced to shut down for quarantine etc, then one way to avoid that would be a vaccinated only crowd. That decision wouldn't imply government intervention. Similar situation with other companies. There's plenty of real world instances I could rattle off that would be vaccinated only without a mayor, governor, or feds having a say so.
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For the pro vaccine choice group, this happened to me this week. I went to see a cardiologist for my yearly visit. At the front desk, they asked me if I had "any close contacts with any persons positive with COVID?" I explained that I had seen two patients the previous week in the hospital with full PPE. The physician refused to see me. I've had this happen before: echocardiogram, dentists, who saw me after being with COVID patients. This time, I was offered a phone/ video visit. I refused because it had been two years since I've seen someone in person and I had paid a babysitter. I was also asked not to coach my daughter's soccer team, because my "COVID exposure is too high," working in the hospital.
Because I work in a hospital, the longer the pandemic goes on, the more things I don't get to experience or get my personal health care denied. Choosing not to get vaccinated, literally affects EVERYONE.
Sorry that happened, MUD. That stinks.
How? If I'm a short staffed bar or restaurant and I don't want my workers to get Covid and be forced to shut down for quarantine etc, then one way to avoid that would be a vaccinated only crowd. That decision wouldn't imply government intervention. Similar situation with other companies. There's plenty of real world instances I could rattle off that would be vaccinated only without a mayor, governor, or feds having a say so.
Yep.
not sure I’m following you, Galway. individual private entities catering only to the vaccinated, or requiring workers to be vaccinated would imply govt intervention, I would think. Maybe I’ll change my mind, but right now I’m ‘choice’ on this deal, hoping Fauci stays in the Boca condo, hoping Biden doesn’t drive the 18-wheeler, can’t wait for ‘22 elections and I really hope Brad Davison gets nut-punched by anyone.
Private businesses trying to protect their employees and customers against the virus is actually the opposite of government control. There have been multiple states in which either the governor, state legislature or both have prohibited (or worked to prohibit) private businesses from requiring vaccines. These big-government red states are forcing private businesses to cater to their big-government whims.
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Sorry that happened, MUD. That stinks.
Yep.
Private businesses trying to protect their employees and customers against the virus is actually the opposite of government control. There have been multiple states in which either the governor, state legislature or both have prohibited (or worked to prohibit) private businesses from requiring vaccines. These big-government red states are forcing private businesses to cater to their big-government whims.
Definitely funny how that works. There is a lot of big government interference by both parties. Kind of like the "keep your government hands off my Medicare" line.
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I do not know about other religions, but if you are a Christian you are suppose to put the other person first.
That should mean you get vaccinated and you do not get an abortion.
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To me, the decision(s) here comes down to choosing between the right to do something and the right thing to do.
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To me, the decision(s) here comes down to choosing between the right to do something and the right thing to do.
Scoop, I think you nailed it on the head.
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Boychik, glad you are onboard with the poster who rocks the eubonics screen name, hey?
I thought he sold life insurance.
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To me, the decision(s) here comes down to choosing between the right to do something and the right thing to do.
[/quote.] for you, as you point out, getting vaccinated might be the right thing to do. Excellent.
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For me it Breaks down like this.
Vaccinated----Reward vs Risk---- Equals NoBrainer.
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We have found that our employees respond best in situations ,like we are now facing with Covid , when we give them the facts ,as well as we know them,and let the decision be their choice. People generally don’t like having these kind of decisions jammed down their throats .
Out of 1200 employees we have about 90 percent vaccine acceptance. My sense is most of the rest will come on board relatively soon.
My gut is that if we had mandates in place our acceptance would be less and many employees would leave for employers who had no mandate .
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If someone is too young or has a LEGITIMATE medical reason they’re unable to get vaccinated, great.
Otherwise….
There’s a reason 95 - 99% of hospitalizations and deaths are in the unvaccinated population.
If you don’t have the common sense and decency to get vaccinated if you’re able, YOU stay home.
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We have found that our employees respond best in situations ,like we are now facing with Covid , when we give them the facts ,as well as we know them,and let the decision be their choice. People generally don’t like having these kind of decisions jammed down their throats .
Out of 1200 employees we have about 90 percent vaccine acceptance. My sense is most of the rest will come on board relatively soon.
My gut is that if we had mandates in place our acceptance would be less and many employees would leave for employers who had no mandate .
Interesting that you work in a place with absolutely zero workplace rules ... so as not to jam any rules down the employees' throats.
Must be fascinating to work alongside folks that don't wear shirts or shoes, that don't shower, that use racial epithets, etc.
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Interesting that you work in a place with absolutely zero workplace rules ... so as not to jam any rules down the employees' throats.
Must be fascinating to work alongside folks that don't wear shirts or shoes, that don't shower, that use racial epithets, etc.
Yes we employ a tough and somewhat eclectic crowd . A lot of rugged individualists and people who have lousy home lives . These employees like our approach to creating a supportive and positive working environment as an alternative for them. We have very little turnover and great comradery. We rely on that to get through these tough times.
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Yes we employ a tough and somewhat eclectic crowd . A lot of rugged individualists and people who have lousy home lives . These employees like our approach to creating a supportive and positive working environment as an alternative for them. We have very little turnover and great comradery. We rely on that to get through these tough times.
That's really great ... but I'm still willing to bet that you do have workplace rules, not only for decorum but to keep everybody safe, productive and respectful of each other.
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If someone is too young or has a LEGITIMATE medical reason they’re unable to get vaccinated, great.
Otherwise….
There’s a reason 95 - 99% of hospitalizations and deaths are in the unvaccinated population.
If you don’t have the common sense and decency to get vaccinated if you’re able, YOU stay home.
7 day average in Wisconsin is 2 deaths per day
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That's really great ... but I'm still willing to bet that you do have workplace rules, not only for decorum but to keep everybody safe, productive and respectful of each other.
We have a simple workplace rule. Show up on time and do your work accurately end efficiently.
Everything else we operate under Matthew 7:12 principles. Do unto others …etc
We have guys who work for us who look like ZZ Top , go to Sturgis and don’t want to take any crap from the boss. They enjoy our environment and keep working for us rather than someone else.
We have people who are scared and don’t want to come in the office , so we accommodate them and let them work from home .
We found over the years flexible rather than rigid rules work best for us and our people.
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7 day average in Wisconsin is 2 deaths per day
And the week before that the 7 day average was 7. And when a 7 day average is 0 the point still stands.
And honestly, it gets a little old pretending death is the only potential serious negative outcome.
Anyone who can get vaccinated and chooses not to is a selfish prick.
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We have a simple workplace rule. Show up on time and do your work accurately end efficiently.
Can I day drink?
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We have a simple workplace rule. Show up on time and do your work accurately end efficiently.
Everything else we operate under Matthew 7:12 principles. Do unto others …etc
We have guys who work for us who look like ZZ Top , go to Sturgis and don’t want to take any crap from the boss. They enjoy our environment and keep working for us rather than someone else.
We have people who are scared and don’t want to come in the office , so we accommodate them and let them work from home .
We found over the years flexible rather than rigid rules work best for us and our people.
I'd really like to work here for that one lawsuit moment that allows me to pay off my student loan and mortgage.
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Can I day drink?
If you are a functional alcoholic and can get your work done , accurately and efficiently, yes. Would not be allowed to use heavy equipment though.
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If you are a functional alcoholic and can get your work done , accurately and efficiently, yes. Would not be allowed to use heavy equipment though.
Sounds like another rule. ;D
I’m just messing with you. Sounds like a nice place.
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We have a simple workplace rule. Show up on time and do your work accurately end efficiently.
Everything else we operate under Matthew 7:12 principles. Do unto others …etc
We have guys who work for us who look like ZZ Top , go to Sturgis and don’t want to take any crap from the boss. They enjoy our environment and keep working for us rather than someone else.
We have people who are scared and don’t want to come in the office , so we accommodate them and let them work from home .
We found over the years flexible rather than rigid rules work best for us and our people.
Glad the failed blogger who never had to make a payroll in his life is criticizing your business. That's who'd I would turn to for consulting.
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And the week before that the 7 day average was 7. And when a 7 day average is 0 the point still stands.
And honestly, it gets a little old pretending death is the only potential serious negative outcome.
Anyone who can get vaccinated and chooses not to is a selfish prick.
100% of those that can get vaccinated will never happen and 0 deaths will never happen. So let's keep calling people names forever.
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And the week before that the 7 day average was 7. And when a 7 day average is 0 the point still stands.
And honestly, it gets a little old pretending death is the only potential serious negative outcome.
Anyone who can get vaccinated and chooses not to is a selfish prick.
Pathetic..
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Pathetic..
Agreed. Those unwilling to get vaccinated are pathetic
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7 day average in Wisconsin is 2 deaths per day
Deaths are the ultimate trailing indicator. Since the beginning of this thing, hospitalizations have followed cases and deaths have followed hospitalizations.
Hospitalizations have gone up quite a bit in the last week. Still plenty of room but it’s not a good sign. I hope death doesn’t follow, but it I fear it will.
Get vaccinated.
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Pathetic..
Yes, you are.
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And the week before that the 7 day average was 7. And when a 7 day average is 0 the point still stands.
And honestly, it gets a little old pretending death is the only potential serious negative outcome.
Anyone who can get vaccinated and chooses not to is a selfish prick.
really? So you’ve exposed yourself as 12 yrs old.
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We have a simple workplace rule. Show up on time and do your work accurately end efficiently.
Everything else we operate under Matthew 7:12 principles. Do unto others …etc
We have guys who work for us who look like ZZ Top , go to Sturgis and don’t want to take any crap from the boss. They enjoy our environment and keep working for us rather than someone else.
We have people who are scared and don’t want to come in the office , so we accommodate them and let them work from home .
We found over the years flexible rather than rigid rules work best for us and our people.
Sounds like you've created a nice place to work, 9-9-9, though I know you have more rules than "none."
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Glad the failed blogger who never had to make a payroll in his life is criticizing your business. That's who'd I would turn to for consulting.
In addition to all the lies you spew and the unprovoked, inaccurate, passive-aggressive personal attacks that reflect your lack of character ...
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If someone is too young or has a LEGITIMATE medical reason they’re unable to get vaccinated, great.
Otherwise….
There’s a reason 95 - 99% of hospitalizations and deaths are in the unvaccinated population.
If you don’t have the common sense and decency to get vaccinated if you’re able, YOU stay home.
Agree with this 100%. However, if you have a valid medical reason you should not be punished for not being vaccinated. A young women was awarded a full 4 year academic scholarship to the University she applied to. When she provided her medical records explaining why she could not be vaccinated the University withdrew her scholarship and application stating there were no exceptions. She contracted GBS after recieving a vaccine 4 years prior. Her Doctors have told her she should not take not just the covid vaccine but any vaccine as she is at high risk of a recurrence of GBS. In my opinion the University is over reacting denying her application; especially if most all the other student will be vaccinated.
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anyone else seeinng these #stopthemandate facebook posts in wisc? wat mandate
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anyone else seeinng these #stopthemandate facebook posts in wisc? wat mandate
Facebook?!?
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anyone else seeinng these #stopthemandate facebook posts in wisc? wat mandate
I’ve seen those. Along with the Facebook comment argument spewing conspiracy theories I can see are wrong on a simple google search. But this person’s mom works in a hospital so it’s irrefutable data.
Sorry, read that and got so frustrated.
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anyone else seeinng these #stopthemandate facebook posts in wisc? wat mandate
Medical systems are mandating their employees be vaccinated because they’re a medical system that should be promoting vaccines not conspiracies.
All of those that want to be avoid vaccines can join the ranks of nurses in private nursing homes that do not require vaccines for far less wage and worse benefits.
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I’ve seen those. Along with the Facebook comment argument spewing conspiracy theories I can see are wrong on a simple google search. But this person’s mom works in a hospital so it’s irrefutable data.
Sorry, read that and got so frustrated.
grew up in west bend. played alot of sports. so many of my facebook freinds are posting anti vax garbage. its like theyre taking some heroic stand against the covid vaccines. the posts get alot of like likes. its utter bs that can be dubunked in a quick seaech as u said but this is wat these ppl believle. act as if covid isnr real and avoid the vax at all costs. despite.all the data these ppl exist in large numbers. its so palpably ridicilous i dont wat to say. i cant go 10 secs on facebook without some anti vax ur an idiot if u get one content its insane
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https://www.fox9.com/news/m-health-fairview-workers-stage-protests-over-vaccine-mandate
Nurses protest vaccine mandate.
Nurses, nurses? The backbone of healthcare! Union Nurses? 82’s bride?
^^^^pssst, this is bait^^^^
The wokey wokey crowd must have their undies in a bundle over this. :o
For the record, I think everyone should be vaccinated. Silly not to. Also, no need to call people names if they disagree with you. Not a good look.
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grew up in west bend. played alot of sports. so many of my facebook freinds are posting anti vax garbage. its like theyre taking some heroic stand against the covid vaccines. the posts get alot of like likes. its utter bs that can be dubunked in a quick seaech as u said but this is wat these ppl believle. act as if covid isnr real and avoid the vax at all costs. despite.all the data these ppl exist in large numbers. its so palpably ridicilous i dont wat to say. i cant go 10 secs on facebook without some anti vax ur an idiot if u get one content its insane
I also grew up in West Bend. Might be talking about similar posts.
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https://www.fox9.com/news/m-health-fairview-workers-stage-protests-over-vaccine-mandate
Nurses protest vaccine mandate.
Nurses, nurses? The backbone of healthcare! Union Nurses? 82’s bride?
[size=8pt^^^^^pssst, this is bait^^^^[/size]
The wokey wokey crowd must have their undies in a bundle over this. :o
For the record, I think everyone should be vaccinated. Silly not to. Also, no need to call people names if they disagree with you. Not a good look.
Most ironic post in the history of scoop.
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Most ironic post in the history of scoop.
You must not get out much.
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I also grew up in West Bend. Might be talking about similar posts.
HEY! I also grew up in the WB!
But I got rid of the FB like 8 years ago. Top 5 decisions of all time.
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Facebook misinformation is the biggest roadblock for vaccinations.
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Not just that. The story I pointed out does not help.
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Not just that. The story I pointed out does not help.
Agreed chili. Nurses in our hospitals are protesting as well. Just more misinformation for the public in our area by simple local news coverage.
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Facebook misinformation is the biggest roadblock for vaccinations.
The biggest road block to vaccination is vaccinated people posting on social media about how stupid unvaccinated people are. Seeing how triggered people get about it makes unvaccinated folks want to get the vaccine about 10x less.
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That is the biggest road block?
I had no idea.
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https://www.fox9.com/news/m-health-fairview-workers-stage-protests-over-vaccine-mandate
Nurses protest vaccine mandate.
Nurses, nurses? The backbone of healthcare! Union Nurses? 82’s bride?
What the eff is wrong with you? Do I ever mention your wife in a derogatory way or any way at all?
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The biggest road block to vaccination is vaccinated people posting on social media about how stupid unvaccinated people are. Seeing how triggered people get about it makes unvaccinated folks want to get the vaccine about 10x less.
Vaccinated people are mean. I'll show them...
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What the eff is wrong with you? Do I ever mention your wife in a derogatory way or any way at all?
82,
It was bait. Just that. You are the one who disclosed she is a nurse.
You are one of the few that resorts to name calling when someone disagrees with you. Like calling people stupid or racist.
Like I said, it was bait. Believe or not, we can agree on it is silly for people to not get vaccinated. However, I am not going to intimate they are lesser for their beliefs.
For all you know, some may be obtuse, some may be bad people, and some may be outstanding, charitable human beings in every other aspect of their life.
My opinion, stop being so binary, and enjoy life.
All that said, get vaccinated people.
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The biggest road block to vaccination is vaccinated people posting on social media about how stupid unvaccinated people are. Seeing how triggered people get about it makes unvaccinated folks want to get the vaccine about 10x less.
How about this for a roadblock. Vaccines that are available now only attack the spikes of the virus, consequently those vaccines are not as effective as natural immunity. In short vaccines that we have cannot stop transmission.
In addition, there has never been an effective vaccine developed to stop Covid viruses, including influenza, which at best is only 50% effective.
Two of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel and the UK, are experiencing 30 to 50% of hospitalizations during the surges from vaccinated people.
Natural immunity is the most effective deterrent. There are plenty of roadblocks out there, including a really big one: The vaccination Nazis.
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How about this for a roadblock. Vaccines that are available now only attack the spikes of the virus, consequently those vaccines are not as effective as natural immunity. In short vaccines that we have cannot stop transmission.
This is false, as evidenced by people who have contracted COVID more than once. There is no evidence of natural immunity to this disease. And as over 99% of current deaths are unvaccinated, it's pretty clear that these vaccines are more effective than natural immunity.
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I too have done my share of antagonizing, having fun baiting the easily triggered woke posse. Probably not my best look, but what the hell.
Figured this would end in name calling. Soooo predictable.
The wokey wokey crowd must have their undies in a bundle over this. :o
For the record, I think everyone should be vaccinated. Silly not to. Also, no need to call people names if they disagree with you. Not a good look.
You are one of the few that resorts to name calling when someone disagrees with you. Like calling people stupid or racist.
Least self-aware person in the world? Or most hypocritical? Or just dumb?
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How about this for a roadblock. Vaccines that are available now only attack the spikes of the virus, consequently those vaccines are not as effective as natural immunity. In short vaccines that we have cannot stop transmission.
In addition, there has never been an effective vaccine developed to stop Covid viruses, including influenza, which at best is only 50% effective.
Two of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel and the UK, are experiencing 30 to 50% of hospitalizations during the surges from vaccinated people.
Natural immunity is the most effective deterrent. There are plenty of roadblocks out there, including a really big one: The vaccination Nazis.
False. But no one is surprised you’re the moron in the topic.
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Least self-aware person in the world? Or most hypocritical? Or just dumb?
Why not the trifecta?
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How about this for a roadblock. Vaccines that are available now only attack the spikes of the virus, consequently those vaccines are not as effective as natural immunity. In short vaccines that we have cannot stop transmission.
In addition, there has never been an effective vaccine developed to stop Covid viruses, including influenza, which at best is only 50% effective.
Two of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel and the UK, are experiencing 30 to 50% of hospitalizations during the surges from vaccinated people.
Natural immunity is the most effective deterrent. There are plenty of roadblocks out there, including a really big one: The vaccination Nazis.
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I have an idea. Less screen time everyone.
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Least self-aware person in the world? Or most hypocritical? Or just dumb?
So, calling me hypocritical or dumb? Which is it?
Why do you resort to this?
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So, calling me hypocritical or dumb? Which is it?
Why do you resort to this?
Why do you?
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So, calling me hypocritical or dumb? Which is it?
Why do you resort to this?
Or completely lacking self-awareness. There is a lot of overlap in a Venn diagram of the three.
Do you have a different explanation for a person that frequently rails against others who call people names while simultaneously and repeatedly calling people names?
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False. But no one is surprised you’re the moron in the topic.
None of it is false, numbnuts. But go ahead and believe the verbal bull the government brainwashed your numb brain with.
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None of it is false, numbnuts. But go ahead and believe the verbal bull the government brainwashed your numb brain with.
Did you graduate from Marquette?
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Did you graduate from Marquette?
He didn’t. He just us makes us look bad.
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He didn’t. He just us makes us look bad.
Thank goodness for the University
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How about this for a roadblock. Vaccines that are available now only attack the spikes of the virus, consequently those vaccines are not as effective as natural immunity. In short vaccines that we have cannot stop transmission.
In addition, there has never been an effective vaccine developed to stop Covid viruses, including influenza, which at best is only 50% effective.
Two of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel and the UK, are experiencing 30 to 50% of hospitalizations during the surges from vaccinated people.
Natural immunity is the most effective deterrent. There are plenty of roadblocks out there, including a really big one: The vaccination Nazis.
Solid numbers Ron Johnson. What is your point? Chances of dieing from the flu or COVID decrease greatly when you are vaccinated...but yeah the anti-vaccers, anti-maskers, captitol insurrectioners, bleachers, hydroxychloroquine users, over by july 4 then easter, etc. crowd is great.
Your old ass should get vaccinated...it could save your life...and has been proven not to harm you. If you want to be a dumbass...your choice. Every living President has been vaccinated...this isn't even political...it's simple. Clearly you know more than those advising our Presidents.
How many deaths would it take to hit natural immunity? If the vaccine is useless, as you state the numbers for Isreal and the UK, then why would it stop us from getting natural immunity?
And not to continue to show your stupidity...but stating that 30-50% of hospitalizations are from vaccinated people means absolutely nothing without knowing what percentage of the population is vaccinated, etc.
Some numbers from crazy liberal NBC news:
In California, infected unvaccinated people were 142 times as likely to need hospitalization as infected vaccinated people.
In New Jersey, unvaccinated people were 1,058 times as likely to need hospitalization.
In Washington state, the sickest patients were 62 times as likely to die if they were unvaccinated.
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To pile on with avid, a recent study shows that the unvaccinated are 2.34 times as likely to get reinfected with Covid when compared to the vaccinated.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm
Still, early days as far as studies like this go, but it's n=246 with over 400 control patients.
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really? So you’ve exposed yourself as 12 yrs old.
I’m not the 12 year old in this exchange. Just someone who’s lost patience with the level of abject stupidity and selfishness in this country.
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How about this for a roadblock. Vaccines that are available now only attack the spikes of the virus, consequently those vaccines are not as effective as natural immunity. In short vaccines that we have cannot stop transmission.
In addition, there has never been an effective vaccine developed to stop Covid viruses, including influenza, which at best is only 50% effective.
Two of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel and the UK, are experiencing 30 to 50% of hospitalizations during the surges from vaccinated people.
Natural immunity is the most effective deterrent. There are plenty of roadblocks out there, including a really big one: The vaccination Nazis.
Just sad.
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82,
It was bait. Just that. You are the one who disclosed she is a nurse.
You are one of the few that resorts to name calling when someone disagrees with you. Like calling people stupid or racist.
Like I said, it was bait. Believe or not, we can agree on it is silly for people to not get vaccinated. However, I am not going to intimate they are lesser for their beliefs.
For all you know, some may be obtuse, some may be bad people, and some may be outstanding, charitable human beings in every other aspect of their life.
My opinion, stop being so binary, and enjoy life.
All that said, get vaccinated people.
Sent PM.
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None of it is false, numbnuts. But go ahead and believe the verbal bull the government brainwashed your numb brain with.
The bar was on the ground, and you grabbed a shovel.
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I hate to be this guy, but does this thread belong in the Superbar?
I haven't seen any reference to Marquette Basketball on many pages of this thread.
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I hate to be this guy, but does this thread belong in the Superbar?
I haven't seen any reference to Marquette Basketball on many pages of this thread.
I second the motion.
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How about this for a roadblock. Vaccines that are available now only attack the spikes of the virus, consequently those vaccines are not as effective as natural immunity. In short vaccines that we have cannot stop transmission.
In addition, there has never been an effective vaccine developed to stop Covid viruses, including influenza, which at best is only 50% effective.
Two of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel and the UK, are experiencing 30 to 50% of hospitalizations during the surges from vaccinated people.
Natural immunity is the most effective deterrent. There are plenty of roadblocks out there, including a really big one: The vaccination Nazis.
NO! The biggest roadblock to all of this is not vaccination Nazi's, it's god damn misinformation like this! ALL of these statements are extremely easy to prove FALSE. Read thoroughly below and tell me I'm wrong. I unnatural carnal knowledgeing dare you.
How about this for a roadblock. Vaccines that are available now only attack the spikes of the virus, consequently those vaccines are not as effective as natural immunity. In short vaccines that we have cannot stop transmission.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention today released a study confirming the comparative effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines versus natural immunity, including immunity gained from prior SARS-CoV-2 infection. Researchers found that, among hundreds of Kentucky residents with previous infections through June 2021, those who were unvaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated. CDC says the research suggests that among people who have had COVID-19 previously, getting fully vaccinated provides additional protection against reinfection.
A second CDC study, published concurrently, shows the extent to which vaccines prevented COVID-19-related hospitalizations among the highest risk age groups.
https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-08-06-cdc-study-confirms-vaccinations-greater-protection-against-covid-19
In addition, there has never been an effective vaccine developed to stop Covid viruses, including influenza, which at best is only 50% effective.
This lacks context. True no effective COVID vaccines have been available – but they’ve been working on them for almost 20 years since the SARS outbreak and often the interest (aka $$) dried up before the virus fizzled out. But it’s that research that lead to such a fast development of the COVID19 vaccine.
The flu is not a coronavirus. It is a completely different type of virus. And if you want to get technical, it’s been as effective as 60%. That is why the new mRNA vaccines for COVID are so exciting at 80-90% effectiveness, it’s a modern day miracle!
Two of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel and the UK, are experiencing 30 to 50% of hospitalizations during the surges from vaccinated people.
UK: 74.5% fully vaccinated, yet unvaccinated make up 60% of hospitalizations
Israel: 85% fully vaccinated, and hospitalization rates are about 1/20th of January’s numbers despite the more contagious delta variant. And of course many of their cases are breakthrough cases, because there’s so few unvaccinated people left!
See here to debunk this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/19/vaccine-skeptics-zero-israel-again-some-reason/
Natural immunity is the most effective deterrent. There are plenty of roadblocks out there, including a really big one: The vaccination Nazis.
Already debunked above.
I've been so patient with anti-vaxxers... and I can somewhat understand the hesitancy when you're naive of the facts. But I am getting so sick of the false information being spread by people who have no clue what they're talking about and try to convince others to follow this misguided stance. STOP SPREADING FALSE INFORMATION! have some self respect and take about 2.7 minutes to fact check yourself before you start pounding at your keyboard.
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Thank you for the above information. You addressed the misinformation quite well. Hopefully that helps our fellow scoopers understand the facts so they will get vaccinated and protect themselves and others.
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Dude, arguing with a dumbass who equates people who want to put a shot in people's arms to save their lives with those who perpetrated a genocide responsible for killing about six million people, is probably a useless exercise.
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Dude, arguing with a dumbass who equates people who want to put a shot in people's arms to save their lives with those who perpetrated a genocide responsible for killing about six million people, is probably a useless exercise.
Probably fruitless, as one person is using appeals to logos to try to change the mind of someone whose belief is rooted exclusively in pathos, but not useless. If someone stands on a street corner with a sign that says "Vaccines are poison" and nobody steps up to counter that narrative, maybe the passersby only ever see the "Vaccines are poison" sign.
Filling up sandbags and trying to stem the rising tide of ignorance that people have been manipulated into espousing is daunting and disheartening, but if someone sees the ignorance blown up and thinks 'huh, maybe I ought to go on the dry side of this flood' rather than 'heck yeah lets drown baby!' then it's not useless effort.
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Yes, fruitless exercise is a much better description.
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I kinda agree with you both. No amount of facts will ever sway people like willie and rocket. They are impervious to facts and logic. rocket outright said:
so what! because i choose not to believe your "facts or evidence" tells me i'm on the right track.
On the other hand, letting the lies and disinformation flow unopposed isn't very palatable either, fruitless as it may be.
The only thing that ever changes their minds is if they personally are affected by something, like the rightwing radio host and anti-vax disinformation spewer that suddenly changed his mind when he caught COVID. Too late for him, though, and probably many others that he influenced.
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NO! The biggest roadblock to all of this is not vaccination Nazi's, it's god damn misinformation like this! ALL of these statements are extremely easy to prove FALSE. Read thoroughly below and tell me I'm wrong. I unnatural carnal knowledgeing dare you.
How about this for a roadblock. Vaccines that are available now only attack the spikes of the virus, consequently those vaccines are not as effective as natural immunity. In short vaccines that we have cannot stop transmission.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention today released a study confirming the comparative effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines versus natural immunity, including immunity gained from prior SARS-CoV-2 infection. Researchers found that, among hundreds of Kentucky residents with previous infections through June 2021, those who were unvaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated. CDC says the research suggests that among people who have had COVID-19 previously, getting fully vaccinated provides additional protection against reinfection.
A second CDC study, published concurrently, shows the extent to which vaccines prevented COVID-19-related hospitalizations among the highest risk age groups.
https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-08-06-cdc-study-confirms-vaccinations-greater-protection-against-covid-19
In addition, there has never been an effective vaccine developed to stop Covid viruses, including influenza, which at best is only 50% effective.
This lacks context. True no effective COVID vaccines have been available – but they’ve been working on them for almost 20 years since the SARS outbreak and often the interest (aka $$) dried up before the virus fizzled out. But it’s that research that lead to such a fast development of the COVID19 vaccine.
The flu is not a coronavirus. It is a completely different type of virus. And if you want to get technical, it’s been as effective as 60%. That is why the new mRNA vaccines for COVID are so exciting at 80-90% effectiveness, it’s a modern day miracle!
Two of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel and the UK, are experiencing 30 to 50% of hospitalizations during the surges from vaccinated people.
UK: 74.5% fully vaccinated, yet unvaccinated make up 60% of hospitalizations
Israel: 85% fully vaccinated, and hospitalization rates are about 1/20th of January’s numbers despite the more contagious delta variant. And of course many of their cases are breakthrough cases, because there’s so few unvaccinated people left!
See here to debunk this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/19/vaccine-skeptics-zero-israel-again-some-reason/
Natural immunity is the most effective deterrent. There are plenty of roadblocks out there, including a really big one: The vaccination Nazis.
Already debunked above.
I've been so patient with anti-vaxxers... and I can somewhat understand the hesitancy when you're naive of the facts. But I am getting so sick of the false information being spread by people who have no clue what they're talking about and try to convince others to follow this misguided stance. STOP SPREADING FALSE INFORMATION! have some self respect and take about 2.7 minutes to fact check yourself before you start pounding at your keyboard.
Preach.
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I kinda agree with you both. No amount of facts will ever sway people like willie and rocket. They are impervious to facts and logic. rocket outright said:
On the other hand, letting the lies and disinformation flow unopposed isn't very palatable either, fruitless as it may be.
The only thing that ever changes their minds is if they personally are affected by something, like the rightwing radio host and anti-vax disinformation spewer that suddenly changed his mind when he caught COVID. Too late for him, though, and probably many others that he influenced.
He is the perfect example of someone who doesn't know they're the target and victim of propaganda.
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So, only slightly over half of Scoop think fans are back 100%, with STH slots coming up shortly.
The other half have ruined yet another thread.
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So, only slightly over half of Scoop think fans are back 100%, with STH slots coming up shortly.
The other half have ruined yet another thread.
C'mon Dr. B. Both sides are taking potshots.
This thread died in May. Here's how it got resurrected:
Dicey again?
Here's the first response:
Fear is the new currency of the self righteous
Somehow I don't think that response was from the half you were accusing of ruining a thread
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What is this thread?
I saw Vaccine chatter and don't want to read thru all that ish
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C'mon Dr. B. Both sides are taking potshots.
This thread died in May. Here's how it got resurrected:
Here's the first response:
Somehow I don't think that response was from the half you were accusing of ruining a thread
I took no side. This thread is so off track it's ridiculous. There is a board to discuss COVID and to name call yet posters want to bring this crap into every thread.
There is at least 52% of Scoop posters who want to use sports and MU basketball as an escape to everyday life.
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I took no side. This thread is so off track it's ridiculous. There is a board to discuss COVID and to name call yet posters want to bring this crap into every thread.
There is at least 52% of Scoop posters who want to use sports and MU basketball as an escape to everyday life.
I’m one of the 52% that voted that a few weeks ago. I’m not sure I’d vote the same way now.
That’s not a commentary on what I think is right and wrong, just the way the situation is trending.
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I took no side. This thread is so off track it's ridiculous. There is a board to discuss COVID and to name call yet posters want to bring this crap into every thread.
There is at least 52% of Scoop posters who want to use sports and MU basketball as an escape to everyday life.
My apologies for misunderstanding your post. I read it as all the "ruining" came from posters who believe we won't be at 100% capacity come November
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I’m one of the 52% that voted that a few weeks ago. I’m not sure I’d vote the same way now.
That’s not a commentary on what I think is right and wrong, just the way the situation is trending.
MUAD has been mum on back-up options as we go to ST selection. For many reasons, I expect they will come out with the optional plans after we pick.
I am still optimistic we will be 100% live and Charleston will have fans. I think it will be less bumpy after we pass Labor Day.
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MUAD has been mum on back-up options as we go to ST selection. For many reasons, I expect they will come out with the optional plans after we pick.
I am still optimistic we will be 100% live and Charleston will have fans. I think it will be less bumpy after we pass Labor Day.
I think there is a lot of nervousness about the start of the school year, both K-12 and higher education. That's why colleges are starting to reinstitute mask mandates that I think a month or so ago people thought wouldn't be back. Just not enough students are vaccinated right now.
I think we will be at 100%, but I think its going to be bumpy for awhile.
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MUAD has been mum on back-up options as we go to ST selection. For many reasons, I expect they will come out with the optional plans after we pick.
I am still optimistic we will be 100% live and Charleston will have fans. I think it will be less bumpy after we pass Labor Day.
Thanksgiving break. IMO, k-12 schools will be very bumpy until at least then, probably longer. And they'll spread it to their unvaccinated parents.
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See, what I understand from the poll results and ensuing discussion is that it will be 100% capacity, but there will be fistfights over vaccines in small pockets throughout the arenas!
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See, what I understand from the poll results and ensuing discussion is that it will be 100% capacity, but there will be fistfights over vaccines in small pockets throughout the arenas!
Double the entertainment!
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There is a board to discuss COVID and to name call yet posters want to bring this crap into every thread.
Seating capacity is very on topic here, and I'm sure many posters rarely, if ever wander into the Superbar, much less its sub-boards.
COVID discussion coming up in a thread about how COVID might limit seating capacity seems pretty in line.
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Seating capacity is very on topic here, and I'm sure many posters rarely, if ever wander into the Superbar, much less its sub-boards.
COVID discussion coming up in a thread about how COVID might limit seating capacity seems pretty in line.
Come on over to The Super Bar and enjoy the many fun and interesting topics
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Seating capacity is very on topic here, and I'm sure many posters rarely, if ever wander into the Superbar, much less its sub-boards.
COVID discussion coming up in a thread about how COVID might limit seating capacity seems pretty in line.
Plus Tax
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Sadly, I doubt there is any way we will be at full capacity for FiServ. Hopefully things will be better but they are worsening each day so far. Again.
Praying for the best.
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Let's due thoughts two, hey?
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NO! The biggest roadblock to all of this is not vaccination Nazi's, it's god damn misinformation like this! ALL of these statements are extremely easy to prove FALSE. Read thoroughly below and tell me I'm wrong. I unnatural carnal knowledgeing dare you.
How about this for a roadblock. Vaccines that are available now only attack the spikes of the virus, consequently those vaccines are not as effective as natural immunity. In short vaccines that we have cannot stop transmission.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention today released a study confirming the comparative effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines versus natural immunity, including immunity gained from prior SARS-CoV-2 infection. Researchers found that, among hundreds of Kentucky residents with previous infections through June 2021, those who were unvaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated. CDC says the research suggests that among people who have had COVID-19 previously, getting fully vaccinated provides additional protection against reinfection.
A second CDC study, published concurrently, shows the extent to which vaccines prevented COVID-19-related hospitalizations among the highest risk age groups.
https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-08-06-cdc-study-confirms-vaccinations-greater-protection-against-covid-19
In addition, there has never been an effective vaccine developed to stop Covid viruses, including influenza, which at best is only 50% effective.
This lacks context. True no effective COVID vaccines have been available – but they’ve been working on them for almost 20 years since the SARS outbreak and often the interest (aka $$) dried up before the virus fizzled out. But it’s that research that lead to such a fast development of the COVID19 vaccine.
The flu is not a coronavirus. It is a completely different type of virus. And if you want to get technical, it’s been as effective as 60%. That is why the new mRNA vaccines for COVID are so exciting at 80-90% effectiveness, it’s a modern day miracle!
Two of the most vaccinated countries in the world, Israel and the UK, are experiencing 30 to 50% of hospitalizations during the surges from vaccinated people.
UK: 74.5% fully vaccinated, yet unvaccinated make up 60% of hospitalizations
Israel: 85% fully vaccinated, and hospitalization rates are about 1/20th of January’s numbers despite the more contagious delta variant. And of course many of their cases are breakthrough cases, because there’s so few unvaccinated people left!
See here to debunk this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/19/vaccine-skeptics-zero-israel-again-some-reason/
Natural immunity is the most effective deterrent. There are plenty of roadblocks out there, including a really big one: The vaccination Nazis.
Already debunked above.
I've been so patient with anti-vaxxers... and I can somewhat understand the hesitancy when you're naive of the facts. But I am getting so sick of the false information being spread by people who have no clue what they're talking about and try to convince others to follow this misguided stance. STOP SPREADING FALSE INFORMATION! have some self respect and take about 2.7 minutes to fact check yourself before you start pounding at your keyboard.
I agree with you. However even these studies omit pertinent information. The UK report detailing all the COVID positive patients who were vaccinated. Yet they don't tell you which vaccine these patients took. To me that is important information and why omit it. Here in the US if a person who contracted COVID after being vaccinated should be reported to VAERs system so we know which vaccine is actually providing protection against infection, but I see no breakdown reports in VAERs. Why is that?
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Summerfest requiring either proof of vaccination or proof of negative test (within 72 hours of attending).
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I agree with you. However even these studies omit pertinent information. The UK report detailing all the COVID positive patients who were vaccinated. Yet they don't tell you which vaccine these patients took. To me that is important information and why omit it. Here in the US if a person who contracted COVID after being vaccinated should be reported to VAERs system so we know which vaccine is actually providing protection against infection, but I see no breakdown reports in VAERs. Why is that?
Yes, the UK, Russia, China, used a lot more of the inferior one dose vaccines. We used mostly the best (except for some that got the J&J, and I for one don't understand why anyone would have selected J&J unless not given a choice).
So it is very pertinent as to what vaccine dose (doses) were received.
And yes, some very informed experts are "thinking" it is possible (not predicting) that if there is not another major variant, that some time before winter most will either have been vaccinated or have gotten Covid and we will be in decent shape going forward for a while.
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Yes, the UK, Russia, China, used a lot more of the inferior one dose vaccines. We used mostly the best (except for some that got the J&J, and I for one don't understand why anyone would have selected J&J unless not given a choice).
So it is very pertinent as to what vaccine dose (doses) were received.
And yes, some very informed experts are "thinking" it is possible (not predicting) that if there is not another major variant, that some time before winter most will either have been vaccinated or have gotten Covid and we will be in decent shape going forward for a while.
I would just say for those that got the J&J, I think it mostly was a lack of choice. At least the guidance early was vaccine shopping would delay you by months, so get any of them now to minimize risk.
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Summerfest requiring either proof of vaccination or proof of negative test (within 72 hours of attending).
Good. Very smart thing to do.
Will some people cheat the system, using others' proof of vax or forgeries? Sure. But this will cover the vast majority.
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I would just say for those that got the J&J, I think it mostly was a lack of choice. At least the guidance early was vaccine shopping would delay you by months, so get any of them now to minimize risk.
I received the J&J at the end of March through the city here and that was the only vaccine I was offered. In hindsight I could have waited, have actually considered dropping into a Walgreens and getting the Pfizer or Moderna as a "booster".
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I received the J&J at the end of March through the city here and that was the only vaccine I was offered. In hindsight I could have waited, have actually considered dropping into a Walgreens and getting the Pfizer or Moderna as a "booster".
They probably won't allow it.
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I received the J&J at the end of March through the city here and that was the only vaccine I was offered. In hindsight I could have waited, have actually considered dropping into a Walgreens and getting the Pfizer or Moderna as a "booster".
i sure would want to do so. I know England ran some experiments (out of necessity?) using a second dose of various vaccines that differed from the first dose. You could probably look those up. I also know of one doctor that had the J&J and subsequently got two doses of Pfizer. But probably not allowed for us mortals, unless you know a doctor.
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i sure would want to do so. I know England ran some experiments (out of necessity?) using a second dose of various vaccines that differed from the first dose. You could probably look those up. I also know of one doctor that had the J&J and subsequently got two doses of Pfizer. But probably not allowed for us mortals, unless you know a doctor.
So, if you go to Walgreens, then to CVS, are they going to know?
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So, if you go to Walgreens, then to CVS, are they going to know?
They can see it in the WI vaccine database, or whatever it's call. No?
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I received the J&J at the end of March through the city here and that was the only vaccine I was offered. In hindsight I could have waited, have actually considered dropping into a Walgreens and getting the Pfizer or Moderna as a "booster".
I got Moderna, and I wasn't told until that day what I would get. The data on J&J protecting you from death was and is strong...it was also the only vaccine tested against different strains at the time...and held up well. I certainly understand why those getting J&J chose to do so.
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Good. Very smart thing to do.
Will some people cheat the system, using others' proof of vax or forgeries? Sure. But this will cover the vast majority.
Agreed...and I'm not a lawyer...but I would think there is considerable risk in cheating the system.
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They can see it in the WI vaccine database, or whatever it's call. No?
Not sure…….
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I’m pro vax, I got vaxed in March, and I have no problem proving I’m vaxed in order to attend an event.
Now having said that I’m not looking forward to carrying that flimsy piece of paper/cardboard around in my pocket or in a laminated case (I know, people are dying...suck it up). My question/thought is do you think it could get to the point where they mark something on your drivers license like being an organ donor or something?
I hate clustered pockets and that card is going to break if it’s not laminated which makes it even bigger to carry around
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I’m pro vax, I got vaxed in March, and I have no problem proving I’m vaxed in order to attend an event.
Now having said that I’m not looking forward to carrying that flimsy piece of paper/cardboard around in my pocket or in a laminated case (I know, people are dying...suck it up). My question/thought is do you think it could get to the point where they mark something on your drivers license like being an organ donor or something?
I hate clustered pockets and that card is going to break if it’s not laminated which makes it even bigger to carry around
Agree about the crappy cards. Terrible size too. Apparently people are making bank on Etsy selling vaccine card holders
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Agree about the crappy cards. Terrible size too. Apparently people are making bank on Etsy selling vaccine card holders
Places I'm looking at in NYC are asking for just a picture of it and a photo ID. Makes a ton of sense.
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Places I'm looking at in NYC are asking for just a picture of it and a photo ID. Makes a ton of sense.
Seems more logical. Probably the best choice is telling people to pull up their MyChart page so it can't be faked so easily
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Places I'm looking at in NYC are asking for just a picture of it and a photo ID. Makes a ton of sense.
That’s good news. I’m going to NYC next weekend for the Dead and Company concert and although it hasn’t been announced I’m fully expecting proof of vaccine. Which is totally cool with me
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My question/thought is do you think it could get to the point where they mark something on your drivers license like being an organ donor or something?
Many different companies working on a VaxPass that is loaded to your phone, pulling the data directly from the state health databases. https://www.clearme.com/vaccine-validation
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They can see it in the WI vaccine database, or whatever it's call. No?
I wonder, because I got my second dose in February but I've been getting texts from the Milwaukee Health Department asking if I want to make an appointment. If it's in the database, shouldn't they know not to text me?
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Places I'm looking at in NYC are asking for just a picture of it and a photo ID. Makes a ton of sense.
They are allowing that at Summerfest as well.
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i sure would want to do so. I know England ran some experiments (out of necessity?) using a second dose of various vaccines that differed from the first dose. You could probably look those up. I also know of one doctor that had the J&J and subsequently got two doses of Pfizer. But probably not allowed for us mortals, unless you know a doctor.
Friends of my wife and I in Canada got a first dose of AZ and a second dose of Pfizer. Our understanding was it was based on vaccine availability. Things are obviously different in the USA.
I thought the J&J is still showing to be effective?
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Places I'm looking at in NYC are asking for just a picture of it and a photo ID. Makes a ton of sense.
During my recent trip to Seattle, I went to a Sounders game. Was able to show pic of vax card on cellphone. Super easy.
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I wonder, because I got my second dose in February but I've been getting texts from the Milwaukee Health Department asking if I want to make an appointment. If it's in the database, shouldn't they know not to text me?
Probably in the data base wrong. I had to go back to Walgreen's because they were robocalling me to come in for my second dose after I got my second dose... they put my second dose under someone else's name/file.
To answer the above, yes the J&J is still a good vaccine and provides protection. Just not as effective as the mRNA vaccines, is my understanding.
San Fran allowing second dose if got J&J:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/03/jj-covid-vaccine-recipients-can-get-supplemental-pfizer-or-moderna-shots-in-san-francisco.html
J&J recipients can make a special request to get a “supplemental dose” of an mRNA vaccine, city health officials said in a statement to CNBC, declining to call the second shots “boosters.”
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During my recent trip to Seattle, I went to a Sounders game. Was able to show pic of vax card on cellphone. Super easy.
easy to fake as well. wonder if ppl will bother getting a fake to go this year. will it hurt attendance idk
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Friends of my wife and I in Canada got a first dose of AZ and a second dose of Pfizer. Our understanding was it was based on vaccine availability. Things are obviously different in the USA.
I thought the J&J is still showing to be effective?
I had the J&J in April and ended up sitting across the table from a guy a month later for an hour long lunch meeting that lied about being vaccinated and was hospitalized with COVID pneumonia 2 days later. No symptoms and a negative test 5 days after exposure for me. That said, a doctor friend of mine was telling me to go get a booster of one of the mRNA vaccines to ensure effectiveness.
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easy to fake as well. wonder if ppl will bother getting a fake to go this year. will it hurt attendance idk
Yes, of course, people can go out of their way to break the rules. I mean, teens have been using fake IDs to buy booze since booze and IDs were invented. People lie about being seniors for discounts. Many athletes and coaches cheat. Etc, etc, etc. You can't avoid making rules or setting standards just because somebody might cheat.
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easy to fake as well. wonder if ppl will bother getting a fake to go this year. will it hurt attendance idk
There were a few polls done by local TV stations today about the Summerfest decision and about 65% said they were less likely to attend.
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There were a few polls done by local TV stations today about the Summerfest decision and about 65% said they were less likely to attend.
Thank goodness. It’ll make it much more enjoyable
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There were a few polls done by local TV stations today about the Summerfest decision and about 65% said they were less likely to attend.
How many of those do you think were attending anyway?
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There were a few polls done by local TV stations today about the Summerfest decision and about 65% said they were less likely to attend.
Good. I get to sit closer then. Shorter beer lines. If they wanna cry and not go then fine.
Everyone is bichin about “my freedoms”. Here is your freedom of choice! You have a choice! Get the vaccine Or don’t and get swabbed!
Choices are as free as you can get. Cause some other countries you don’t get choices.
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Good. I get to sit closer then. Shorter beer lines. If they wanna cry and not go then fine.
Everyone is bichin about “my freedoms”. Here is your freedom of choice! You have a choice! Get the vaccine Or don’t and get swabbed!
Choices are as free as you can get. Cause some other countries you don’t get choices.
I'd check Stub Hub for any Summerfest concerts you might want to attend. I assume everyone who doesn't want to get vaccinated will be dumping their tickets Especially for the hip hop and country music acts.
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There were a few polls done by local TV stations today about the Summerfest decision and about 65% said they were less likely to attend.
Hope MU does this...best way to ensure I don't have to sit next to an a-hole.
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Hope MU does this...best way to ensure I don't have to sit next to an a-hole.
Made me chuckle. Thanks!
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I'd check Stub Hub for any Summerfest concerts you might want to attend. I assume everyone who doesn't want to get vaccinated will be dumping their tickets Especially for the hip hop and country music acts.
Hot damn. Good call
Edit: holy crap. Prices for the green day concert are down $35 a ticket! Amazing.
Edit edit: looks like I’ll also be going to Luke Bryan for $30 cheaper than I thought also.
I’m officially rooting for this to be in every sport. Y’all wanna stay unvaxxed. That’s cool. I’ll take you ur packer/bucks/MUBB tickets for $20 under face value. Silly gooses.
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Selling tickets for less than we paid for them to own the libs.
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I'd rather prove vaccination status than go through the motions of wearing a mask when inside the arena.
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Ur still gonna hafta due dat, hey?
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Just sharing a few recent experiences:
Moscow (Russia) - Vaccines are done through government agencies and recorded in a central database. When your vaccine is properly recorded, you get a QR code that identifies you as vaccinated. The QR code is required for entry to any event, restaurant, indoor shopping mall.
Dayton (ohio) - TBT finals. No seating restrictions, no masks required, no vaccine tracking, no negative proof required... just like normal.
Walgreens - issues a handwritten 'CDC' card as proof of vaccine. How easy would that be to fake?
I got Sputnik V in Russia and then during recent USA visit got re-vaccinated with Pfizer. I know too many people vaccinated with Sputnik that got the virus afterwards.
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Barclay's Center has announced that all employees and guests (12 and up) must be fully vaccinated starting September 12th
https://twitter.com/BrooklynNets/status/1426269673583226886/photo/1
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Hope the Fiserv does the same.
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Hope the Fiserv does the same.
+1
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Barclay's Center has announced that all employees and guests (12 and up) must be fully vaccinated starting September 12th
https://twitter.com/BrooklynNets/status/1426269673583226886/photo/1
Las Vegas Raiders become first NFL team to require vaccination to attend games. The Saints are requiring vaccination or a negative test.
https://sports.yahoo.com/raiders-proof-vaccination-allegiant-stadium-games-saints-nfl-042639211.html
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Las Vegas Raiders become first NFL team to require vaccination to attend games. The Saints are requiring vaccination or a negative test.
https://sports.yahoo.com/raiders-proof-vaccination-allegiant-stadium-games-saints-nfl-042639211.html
Just saw this and posted similar on COVID-19 board.
I especially like that the Raiders will set up stations to vaccinate fans before games.
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Ur still gonna hafta due dat, hey?
Once inside anywhere I showed my vax card in NYC no one was required to be masked. It was liberating to be around responsible adults.
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Once inside anywhere I showed my vax card in NYC no one was required to be masked. It was liberating to be around responsible adults.
Responsible adults are an endangered species.
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Responsible adults are an endangered species.
Freedumb or responsibility? I know what I choose
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Congress should pass a law that the unvaxxed need to wear an armband or something so we know who to avoid.
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Fake armbands. Fake vaccine cards.
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Fake armbands. Fake vaccine cards.
Tattoo "Dumbass" on their foreheads.
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Once inside anywhere I showed my vax card in NYC no one was required to be masked. It was liberating to be around responsible adults.
Yup, I just got back from NYC on Sunday. Had to show my vax card a couple times but it wasn’t a big deal at all, it was kinda nice actually. I went to the Dead show at Citi field Friday where I had to show it and then the Yankees game Saturday where I did not...but I had to show it at that dump of a bar Stan’s outside the stadium. Overall I had no complaints about it and figure that’s the way things are gonna go from here on out
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Sure, just like Nazi Germany, hey?
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Sure, just like Nazi Germany, hey?
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Congress should pass a law that the unvaxxed need to wear an armband or something so we know who to avoid.
They'll be easily identified as the ones who haven't been turned into zombies by the vaccine.
Or is it lizard people?
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Third arm. Or having 5g conversations without a phone.
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They'll be easily identified as the ones who haven't been turned into zombies by the vaccine.
Or is it lizard people?
There's no evidence of that. Seems it is mostly people with low socioeconomic status that are choosing not to get the vaccine. It can be difficult to discern someone's socioeconomic status just by looking at them, though.
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Sure, just like Nazi Germany, hey?
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https://www.nba.com/blazers/trail-blazers-and-rose-quarter-require-proof-vaccination-starting-september-4
Starting September 4th: The Rose Quarter (Portland Trailblazers' arena) is requiring all guests ages 12 and up attending any event to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 or provide proof of a negative COVID-19 PCR test within 72 hours of the event. Masks are mandatory inside.
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Yup, I just got back from NYC on Sunday. Had to show my vax card a couple times but it wasn’t a big deal at all, it was kinda nice actually. I went to the Dead show at Citi field Friday where I had to show it and then the Yankees game Saturday where I did not...but I had to show it at that dump of a bar Stan’s outside the stadium. Overall I had no complaints about it and figure that’s the way things are gonna go from here on out
I just booked for NYC in early Oct, I love seeing the VAX requirements bc it tells me they'll be open for business.
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So we now need a booster after 8 months (maybe every 8 months??) and the Pfizer CEO said it’s likely there will be Covid strains that are vaccine resistant. Will we need to show proof of vaccination in all scenarios? At what point does it get ridiculous to show 3,4, or 5+ vaccines cards to get into a game or restaurant?
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So we now need a booster after 8 months (maybe every 8 months??) and the Pfizer CEO said it’s likely there will be Covid strains that are vaccine resistant. Will we need to show proof of vaccination in all scenarios? At what point does it get ridiculous to show 3,4, or 5+ vaccines cards to get into a game or restaurant?
When we've eliminated death.
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So we now need a booster after 8 months (maybe every 8 months??) and the Pfizer CEO said it’s likely there will be Covid strains that are vaccine resistant. Will we need to show proof of vaccination in all scenarios? At what point does it get ridiculous to show 3,4, or 5+ vaccines cards to get into a game or restaurant?
Have a cream soda, snowflake
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Flu shot every year. Tetanus booster every few years. Annual physicals and trips to the dentist. I assume there will be an annual COVID booster for the foreseeable future.
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So we now need a booster after 8 months (maybe every 8 months??) and the Pfizer CEO said it’s likely there will be Covid strains that are vaccine resistant. Will we need to show proof of vaccination in all scenarios? At what point does it get ridiculous to show 3,4, or 5+ vaccines cards to get into a game or restaurant?
You'll be fine. Just get the booster and be safe.
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They'll be easily identified as the ones who haven't been turned into zombies by the vaccine.
Or is it lizard people?
Actually, I received my vaccine in March and April. Since then, all of the hair I lost atop my head has grown back. The wrinkles in my face are gone and I'm suddenly asthma free and ready to run the Chicago marathon. Not to mention, I started to play pick-up basketball games and for the first time in my life, I can both slam dunk and hit 40 foot jump shots consistently, with an 18-year-old five star recruit in my face!
Best of all, the second shot began the process of re-regulating my weight. I've lost 60 pounds since April! And my feet shank to normal size.
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Actually, I received my vaccine in March and April. Since then, all of the hair I lost atop my head has grown back. The wrinkles in my face are gone and I'm suddenly asthma free and ready to run the Chicago marathon. Not to mention, I started to play pick-up basketball games and for the first time in my life, I can both slam dunk and hit 40 foot jump shots consistently, with an 18-year-old five star recruit in my face!
Best of all, the second shot began the process of re-regulating my weight. I've lost 60 pounds since April! And my feet shank to normal size.
So clearly not on the Marquette campus
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So we now need a booster after 8 months (maybe every 8 months??) and the Pfizer CEO said it’s likely there will be Covid strains that are vaccine resistant. Will we need to show proof of vaccination in all scenarios? At what point does it get ridiculous to show 3,4, or 5+ vaccines cards to get into a game or restaurant?
Never.
You've been carrying useless $hit in your pockets since you were 12 years of age. I don't doubt your ability to carry something useful for a change.
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So we now need a booster after 8 months (maybe every 8 months??) and the Pfizer CEO said it’s likely there will be Covid strains that are vaccine resistant. Will we need to show proof of vaccination in all scenarios? At what point does it get ridiculous to show 3,4, or 5+ vaccines cards to get into a game or restaurant?
lol, nearly every place that requires them says simply showing a photo of it on your phone is enough. How is this a burden?
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lol, nearly every place that requires them says simply showing a photo of it on your phone is enough. How is this a burden?
Yep. No more of a burden than showing a ticket on a phone or reaching into a wallet for a credit card.
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Yep. No more of a burden than showing a ticket on a phone or reaching into a wallet for a credit card.
IDK, have you seen some of the sweater vests try to pull up their digital ticket? You'd think they were trying to rotate a PDF the way they struggle.
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IDK, have you seen some of the sweater vests try to pull up their digital ticket? You'd think they were trying to rotate a PDF the way they struggle.
Paper tickets were good enough in 1977
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Paper tickets were good enough in 1977
Al never made his players wear a mask!
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IDK, have you seen some of the sweater vests try to pull up their digital ticket? You'd think they were trying to rotate a PDF the way they struggle.
That truly made me LOL.
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So we now need a booster after 8 months (maybe every 8 months??) and the Pfizer CEO said it’s likely there will be Covid strains that are vaccine resistant. Will we need to show proof of vaccination in all scenarios? At what point does it get ridiculous to show 3,4, or 5+ vaccines cards to get into a game or restaurant?
If you had a vax card you'd probably know that there are more open slots for future vaccines on it.
But you've given the game away.
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Have a cream soda, snowflake
Appreciate the mature response. 👍
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When we've eliminated death.
That will never happen unfortunately.
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lol, nearly every place that requires them says simply showing a photo of it on your phone is enough. How is this a burden?
Not everyone can afford a smart phone (some can afford but don’t want). The burden is on the person checking the card. When we get to a point where we’re on our 5th or 6th vaccine/booster how long will it take that person to check off that each one is listed (esp when trying to get 18k, or 80k for football, through the gates).
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Paper tickets were good enough in 1977
Paper tickets also enable 3D holograms.
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If you had a vax card you'd probably know that there are more open slots for future vaccines on it.
But you've given the game away.
There are 4 spots, in about 6-12 months we could likely need more than those 4 spots.
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Considering the useless cards I have in my Costanza wallet. I’m not worried about changing out a card each year to show I’m up to date on my Covid vaccine.
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There are 4 spots, in about 6-12 months we could likely need more than those 4 spots.
Cool. And if we're still doing this all in a year and a half hopefully we've come up with something better, or you know... just show your most recent vax card. Why would a year and a half back be relevant information?
I can't believe this is near the top of your worry list.
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Not everyone can afford a smart phone (some can afford but don’t want). The burden is on the person checking the card. When we get to a point where we’re on our 5th or 6th vaccine/booster how long will it take that person to check off that each one is listed (esp when trying to get 18k, or 80k for football, through the gates).
98% of attendees at Packers preseason games this year used digital tickets (up from 67% in 2019). If residents of Green Bay can adapt, I think we all can.
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98% of attendees at Packers preseason games this year used digital tickets (up from 67% in 2019). If residents of Green Bay can adapt, I think we all can.
This may just be the effect of Covid eliminating the old people.
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Appreciate the mature response. 👍
In fairness...your post suggested we not check for vaccines because people would have multiple cards to show...so you didn't really deserve a mature response?
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Yeah, when you break with the top infectious disease doctors in the world because of your own perverted sense of liberty, you're gonna lose a lot of social graces.
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This may just be the effect of Covid eliminating the old people.
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Prices on the secondary market for concerts across the country have cratered when mask/vaccine mandates have been implemented.
If MU has them, I would think you could get some great deals on good seats for the better games and tickets will almost be given away for the dud opponents.
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United Center requiring proof of vaccination or negative test for Bulls and Blackhawks games.
Hoping the Fiserv Forum follows.
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United Center requiring proof of vaccination or negative test for Bulls and Blackhawks games.
Hoping the Fiserv Forum follows.
Would Marquette have much say in this? Or would it be Bucks?
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Would Marquette have much say in this? Or would it be Bucks?
Not sure, but while Summerfest is requiring proof of vaccination this weekend, there was no such requirement for Mexican Fiesta last weekend. So venues can have varying standards.
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United Center requiring proof of vaccination or negative test for Bulls and Blackhawks games.
Hoping the Fiserv Forum follows.
Best that can be done. Reduces risk but does not eliminate as breakthrough cases occur. These are tough times. Please dear God get us back to some kind of normal.
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Not sure, but while Summerfest is requiring proof of vaccination this weekend, there was no such requirement for Mexican Fiesta last weekend. So venues can have varying standards.
I heard the Summerfest check wasn’t very thorough. It sounds more like a deterrent for people showing up than actually turning people away.
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I heard the Summerfest check wasn’t very thorough. It sounds more like a deterrent for people showing up than actually turning people away.
"Not very thorough" = wave a piece of paper in front of the checker that looks like a vax card or says the word "NEGATIVE" on it.
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"Not very thorough" = wave a piece of paper in front of the checker that looks like a vax card or says the word "NEGATIVE" on it.
All I’ve had to is show the photo of my card on my phone. It would be so easy for it to be someone else’s. But if it makes the perpetually afraid feel better…
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We went yesterday and we had to show our Vax card AND a Picture ID ( I used drivers lic). 8-)