5 best MU pure PG's?

[Goose]

Doc and BC,
Pretty big miss on the point PG's ever.

[BrewCity83]

To summarize - Top 5 pure PGs since the 1960s: (chronological)

Meminger
Walton
Worthen
Miller
Diener

[GooooMarquette]

To summarize - Top 5 pure PGs since the 1960s: (chronological)

Meminger
Walton
Worthen
Miller
Diener

Yep.

[swoopem]

I agree with the list.

Having said that, if we're talking pure point guards I gotta give Mo Aker a shoutout. He was huge for 2008-2010 teams.

Plus TBT. I bet if you looked at it he'd lead the TBT team in total minutes played since they started

[GooooMarquette]

I agree with the list.

Having said that, if we're talking pure point guards I gotta give Mo Aker a shoutout. He was huge for 2008-2010 teams.

Plus TBT. I bet if you looked at it he'd lead the TBT team in total minutes played since they started

Agree. His decision to return was critical to us making the dance win 09-10, after the Amigos graduated.

Looking at the stats for that team, I also noticed something that seems pretty unusual - we had five guys who averaged 2.0 or more assists per game. Acker led the way with 3.7, but Cubillan, DJO, Buycks and JFB also averaged 2.0 or more.

[Galway Eagle]

Agree. His decision to return was critical to us making the dance win 09-10, after the Amigos graduated.

Looking at the stats for that team, I also noticed something that seems pretty unusual - we had five guys who averaged 2.0 or more assists per game. Acker led the way with 3.7, but Cubillan, DJO, Buycks and JFB also averaged 2.0 or more.

I think it's because that team was so efficient that no matter who you passed to they were likely to score.

[brewcity77]

Agree. His decision to return was critical to us making the dance win 09-10, after the Amigos graduated.

Looking at the stats for that team, I also noticed something that seems pretty unusual - we had five guys who averaged 2.0 or more assists per game. Acker led the way with 3.7, but Cubillan, DJO, Buycks and JFB also averaged 2.0 or more.

Getting that team to the tournament was Buzz's best coaching job. Totally changed his system to accommodate a smaller, less athletic team, and still won with them. I think most Marquette fans would've been happy with the NIT that year and he earned a 6-seed. Really impressive.

[GooooMarquette]

I think it's because that team was so efficient that no matter who you passed to they were likely to score.

Yep. Maybe the most balanced MU team ever. Everyone was a good ball handler, passer and shooter.

[GooooMarquette]

Getting that team to the tournament was Buzz's best coaching job. Totally changed his system to accommodate a smaller, less athletic team, and still won with them. I think most Marquette fans would've been happy with the NIT that year and he earned a 6-seed. Really impressive.

Totally agree.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Doc and BC,
Pretty big miss on the point PG's ever.

Dean the Dream shot 46% and dished out 3.4 dimes per game. Travis had a eFg% of .532 with 5 dimes per game. Travis with a Final 4. Different eras I know.

I always felt those Dean teams fell just short of their potential (Vesties, feel free to skewer me). Lots of reasons for that (Al mad at NCAAs, refs, seeding, internal bickering) but glad to hear your evidence. No question Dean was a great one but MU has only retired one PG's number and I am not sure that was deserved.

Now, defensively, it's not close in Dean's favor over Travis but we are talking PG offense (I think).

[CTWarrior]

I agree with the list.

Having said that, if we're talking pure point guards I gotta give Mo Aker a shoutout. He was huge for 2008-2010 teams.

Plus TBT. I bet if you looked at it he'd lead the TBT team in total minutes played since they started

Not sure how you mention Mo Acker and not Dominic James, who he backed up (and was obviously not as good as when he did).

4.9 apg over his career, great ballhandler, tremendous ball hawk on D.

[DienerTime34]

Maybe my username is a giveaway but Diener is #1 if you include his TBT resume as well 

[Galway Eagle]

Dean the Dream shot 46% and dished out 3.4 dimes per game. Travis had a eFg% of .532 with 5 dimes per game. Travis with a Final 4. Different eras I know.

I always felt those Dean teams fell just short of their potential (Vesties, feel free to skewer me). Lots of reasons for that (Al mad at NCAAs, refs, seeding, internal bickering) but glad to hear your evidence. No question Dean was a great one but MU has only retired one PG's number and I am not sure that was deserved.

Now, defensively, it's not close in Dean's favor over Travis but we are talking PG offense (I think).

You know you can't say that on this board. Every Al player is 100x the basketball that every player before or after was except for Wade.

[StillAWarrior]

Diener was a dime-a-dozen point guard.

[MuggsyB]

Everyone should keep in mind how much talent DJ has as a lead guard.  He's certainly not a pure PG, but would improve tremendously with better decision making,  and axing the yo-yp lateral dribbling.   He's a good passer but just needs to be under better control.

[Goose]

Galway

Diener would be in top five all time PG's and pretty high on the list.

[keefe]

The Dream, Lucky Lloyd, Sudden Sam, Boylan, Doc, Mandy J, Travis

[Galway Eagle]

Galway

Diener would be in top five all time PG's and pretty high on the list.

Was just being facetious

[Tums Festival]

Tony Miller has over 300 more career assists than the guy in second place. That's what a pure PG does.

[keefe]

Galway

Diener would be in top five all time PG's and pretty high on the list.

Goose

Sam Worthen was probably the best PG to ever lace 'em up at Marquette. He looked damn fine in that sheepskin, too, I might add

[PJDunn]

Nice to see Mandy Johnson get a mention. Definitely top 5, especially if you factor in his defense.

[Jockey]

I agree with the list.

Having said that, if we're talking pure point guards I gotta give Mo Aker a shoutout. He was huge for 2008-2010 teams.

Plus TBT. I bet if you looked at it he'd lead the TBT team in total minutes played since they started

If you think Acker was better than Dom James, I don't know what to say.

[keefe]

End of thread, aina?

Doc,

Love The Dream but I think Worthen was sublimely brilliant.

They wonder how much greater the Mick would have been had he played without a season-long hangover. I have to think Worthen and Toone would have been All-World if they weren't catatonic every game.

[Goose]

keefe


Worthen was pretty damn good.

[keefe]

Nice to see Mandy Johnson get a mention. Definitely top 5, especially if you factor in his defense.

I put MJ on the list because he was a phenomenal talent. Put him on one of Al's teams and he would have been brilliant.