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Heisenberg

Coaches are what they are.  He is going to give you the same results he had at his high major school the last six years.  No more, no less.

Texas Longhorns (Big 12 Conference) (2015–present)
2015–16   Texas   20–13   11–7   4th   NCAA Division I Round of 64
2016–17   Texas   11–22   4–14   10th   
2017–18   Texas   19–15   8–10   T–6th   NCAA Division I Round of 64
2018–19   Texas   21–16   8–10   6th   NIT Champion
2019–20   Texas   19–12   9–9   T–3rd   Post-season cancelled due to pandemic
2020–21   Texas   19–8          12–6   3rd   NCAA Division I Round of 64
Texas:               109–86 (.559)  52–56 (.481)   

That is zero NCAA wins and a below .500 conference record.

Oh, and he was making $3.2m at Texas.  So assume MU busted the bank for mediocrity when they could have gotten Moser for much less.

Hards Alumni

I look forward to you beating this drum for the next few years.  And then watching you try to justify it.

Would you like your crow with a side of mayo or ketchup?

Coleman

Look, I was hoping for Moser too.

But this is a very good hire.

mu_hilltopper

It is .. uncomfortable .. that Texas blogs and fans are very pleased with his departure. 

Funny, they posted an article to fire him .. Cracked Sidewalks posted an article to hire him, both this morning.

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2021/3/26/22351858/fire-shaka-smart-texas-longhorns-job-security-chris-del-conte


NolongerWarriors

Don't the numbers speak for themselves?

Unless you fall into the "Poor Shaka's teams are the victims of bad luck" school of thought.

Heisenberg

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 26, 2021, 11:07:14 AM
I look forward to you beating this drum for the next few years.  And then watching you try to justify it.

Would you like your crow with a side of mayo or ketchup?

Nope, I'm an MU fan and will root for him as hard as I can.

Just not excited today.

MUCam

Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 26, 2021, 11:01:49 AM
Coaches are what they are.  He is going to give you the same results he had at his high major school the last six years.  No more, no less.

Texas Longhorns (Big 12 Conference) (2015–present)
2015–16   Texas   20–13   11–7   4th   NCAA Division I Round of 64
2016–17   Texas   11–22   4–14   10th   
2017–18   Texas   19–15   8–10   T–6th   NCAA Division I Round of 64
2018–19   Texas   21–16   8–10   6th   NIT Champion
2019–20   Texas   19–12   9–9   T–3rd   Post-season cancelled due to pandemic
2020–21   Texas   19–8          12–6   3rd   NCAA Division I Round of 64
Texas:               109–86 (.559)  52–56 (.481)   

That is zero NCAA wins and a below .500 conference record.

Oh, and he was making $3.2m at Texas.  So assume MU busted the bank for mediocrity when they could have gotten Moser for much less.

While you are on the "here is what you get," can you please also provide:

1. Defensive rankings per year
2. Recruits and recruiting rankings per year.

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

I'd take Shaka over Moser.  I truthfully thought Shaka was a pipe dream when Wojo got fired.

He plays a more exciting brand of basketball, will recruit better players and the transition will be much, much quicker.  He's also been kicked in the balls at a big school, so the potential for this to be a long term play for Shaka is certainly there.

I would have been happy with Moser, but I think Shaka is more exciting. 
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

NolongerWarriors

Quote from: Coleman on March 26, 2021, 11:09:20 AM
Look, I was hoping for Moser too.

But this is a very good hire.

Why?

Justify how the job he did at Texas made him a desirable option

Heisenberg

Quote from: MUCam on March 26, 2021, 11:10:41 AM
While you are on the "here is what you get," can you please also provide:

1. Defensive rankings per year
2. Recruits and recruiting rankings per year.

Look up Wojo's ... close enough

Heisenberg

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 26, 2021, 11:07:14 AM
I look forward to you beating this drum for the next few years.  And then watching you try to justify it.

Would you like your crow with a side of mayo or ketchup?

Why do you think he is going to give you better results than Texas?

Coleman

Quote from: NolongerWarriors on March 26, 2021, 11:11:31 AM
Why?

Justify how the job he did at Texas made him a desirable option

The reasons have been explained ad nauseam on this board and by blogs like CS. You just don't want to listen. Which is fine. You do you.

I like the hire.

Frenns Liquor Depot

I knew something could get Heisy and MU82 on the same side of the table.  I hope they enjoy their tea party while the rest of us party tonight. 

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 26, 2021, 11:11:40 AM
Look up Wojo's ... close enough

Put your feelings aside, and read the stuff that has been posted all over these boards for the last week.

NolongerWarriors

Quote from: MUCam on March 26, 2021, 11:10:41 AM
While you are on the "here is what you get," can you please also provide:

1. Defensive rankings per year
2. Recruits and recruiting rankings per year.

So wins and losses don't matter as much as defensive rankings?  Or recruit rankings?

Looks like Shaka underachieved with the talent he recruited.  Where have we seen that before?

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on March 26, 2021, 11:12:28 AM
Why do you think he is going to give you better results than Texas?

Well for 1, he made 3/5 possible torunaments as opposed to Wojo's 2/6.  Also won an NIT championship.  Losing all 3 of his NCAA tournament games sucks, but his teams were always pretty good and the tournament is a crapshoot.  Plus, let's be real, the B12 is a clear step ahead of the Big East. 
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

tower912

The Shaka skeptics have some justification.   I am going to choose optimism.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Heisenberg

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 26, 2021, 11:13:35 AM
I knew something could get Heisy and MU82 on the same side of the table.  I hope they enjoy their tea party while the rest of us party tonight.

When the party is over tonight, and the team transfers and we finish behind DePaul next year ... enjoy the hang-over.

AGAIN I ASK, WHY WILL HE GIVE YOU ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN TEXAS, AND IF HE CONTINUES HIS TEXAS RECORD HERE, WILL YOU BE SATISFIED?

Coleman

Quote from: tower912 on March 26, 2021, 11:15:08 AM
The Shaka skeptics have some justification.   I am going to choose optimism.

You're right.

But guess what? We aren't Duke. We are't UNC. We aren't Kansas. We can't lure anyone we want. We had a few decent options. Shaka was one of them.

This is a good hire.

MU82

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 26, 2021, 11:13:35 AM
I knew something could get Heisy and MU82 on the same side of the table.  I hope they enjoy their tea party while the rest of us party tonight.

This is incorrect, as you'd know if you had read any of the other posts I've written since we landed Shaka.

Even the past several days, I have found myself nodding my head at the thought of a humbled Shaka realizing that the grass isn't always greener, and I've said as much in my comments. I agreed with those who said a change of scenery could benefit both Shaka and Marquette.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Heisenberg

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 26, 2021, 11:14:49 AM
Well for 1, he made 3/5 possible torunaments as opposed to Wojo's 2/6.  Also won an NIT championship.  Losing all 3 of his NCAA tournament games sucks, but his teams were always pretty good and the tournament is a crapshoot.  Plus, let's be real, the B12 is a clear step ahead of the Big East.

He was making $3,2m at Texas.  I'll assume he is getting at least that at MU.  (If he took a pay cut, that would be a major red flag).

Given this money, this is your justification for hiring him?  Wow, just Wow!

Maybe MU and Loyola can switch conferences. MU can go to the Valley and Loyola to the Big East.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2021, 11:18:24 AM
This is incorrect, as you'd know if you had read any of the other posts I've written since we landed Shaka.

Even the past several days, I have found myself nodding my head at the thought of a humbled Shaka realizing that the grass isn't always greener, and I've said as much in my comments. I agreed with those who said a change of scenery could benefit both Shaka and Marquette.

I'm not sure it was a 'grass is greener' situation.  We were a dumpster fire 7 years ago.  No AD, our coach had just run to VaTech after being very successful.

Goose

The same guys that stayed on the Wojo bandwagon are unhappy with the hire, not surprising. This is a great day for the university, not just the basketball program. MU hired the right guy and I cannot wait to see him be introduced as HC.

NolongerWarriors

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 26, 2021, 11:14:49 AM
Well for 1, he made 3/5 possible torunaments as opposed to Wojo's 2/6.  Also won an NIT championship.  Losing all 3 of his NCAA tournament games sucks, but his teams were always pretty good and the tournament is a crapshoot.  Plus, let's be real, the B12 is a clear step ahead of the Big East.

I'll take Moser's resume over that.

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 26, 2021, 11:10:50 AM
I'd take Shaka over Moser.  I truthfully thought Shaka was a pipe dream when Wojo got fired.

He plays a more exciting brand of basketball, will recruit better players and the transition will be much, much quicker.  He's also been kicked in the balls at a big school, so the potential for this to be a long term play for Shaka is certainly there.

I would have been happy with Moser, but I think Shaka is more exciting.

Did people not watch his Texas teams and still think this is the VCU guy? His Texas teams were all highly ranked recruits that stood around and watched a guy create off the dribble. No ball movement, no synergy, the opposite of exciting. On defense they didn't try to create TO's and they rebounded poorly. Literally exactly what we just fired. I'm perplexed by this "exciting" brand of basketball narrative.

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