Great article everyone should read.

[Galway Eagle]

Many people were not happy when Buzz left especially with the last season that he put up.  The real difference is the increase in the amount of inner ugliness people are comfortable with expressing since then.  That's a real downside to anonymous posting.  And I thought that Wojo was being paid to coach a basketball team, not to sit in your personal carnival dunking chair.  Lose the entitlement, grow up.

It wasn't till Buzz trashed us in the Goodman article that people got ridiculously mad at Buzz from what I recall.

[5DollarPitcher]

That's a good point and if he'd been on the sidelines again I'd be posting on here how ticked off I was about it. But the guy was fired already, what's the point?

I equate it to this, if you're in sales and you're dragging down team performance preventing bonuses then your team rightfully can grumble around the water cooler, try to coach you, ask you if maybe this isn't the best career, etc. But when once you're fired, should they all clap in your face and say "finally we'll get bonuses!"? No of course not, and it's no different here. The guy wasn't up for the task, he deservedly was a lightning rod for criticism but he was already gone so why pour salt on it?

Fair point. I'll stand down on the Wojo thing.

[GooooMarquette]

Political doesn't just mean Republican v Democrat.

I know.

But expressing support for the coach for your alma mater is not political.

[Pakuni]

It wasn't till Buzz trashed us in the Goodman article that people got ridiculously mad at Buzz from what I recall.

Deservedly so.
Marquette rescued Buzz's career, gave him a chance that no one else would have (and he arguably didn't deserve at that stage of his career) and he shat on the university on his way out the door.
Buzz did terrific work while was here, earned every penny he received and easily justified the administration's decision to take a chance on him.
But he left an ingrate.

[connie]

The deflection to Liddell demonstrates the weakness of this entire article.  MU fans boo'ed Wojo at games, and set up a "fire Wojo" hashtag.  This is classified as "harsh" and "hateful" "harassment?"  Saying his firing was overdue or about time or that he set the program back on his instagram?  Petty and classless, as well was totally unnecessary, but hardly "hateful."  Frankly I don't see the point of even complaining about these issues, which is why I suspect the Liddell matter was brought up.  I don't think Wojo did a good job as a head basketball coach, but I think he handled himself with class and professionalism throughout.  Do I wish every fan of the team responded in kind, yes, but I'm not going to call what I have seen so far "hateful," because it isn't, and I am not going to wear a hair shirt because a few fans took some minor cheat shots as Wojo was leaving.  I am going to ignore them, which is what they deserve.

[muwarrior69]

Quote:If we are really following our Jesuit mission of "cura personalis," we would not be cheering on social media when a member of the Marquette community loses their job.

Wow! According to the author if you criticize a person's any person's job performance you criticizing the person. Somehow you cannot separate the coach from the man. A multi-million dollar severance is by definition
"cura personalis".

[#UnleashSean]

 

[real chili 83]

I think booing the other team can be done playfully.  Chanting "F*ck the [insert opponent nickname here]" is inappropriate and immature.

There are two exceptions to that rule.  Well, maybe three if you include the Cardinals.

[Billy Hoyle]

I did find this interesting: "During games in 2020-21, Marquette's PA announcer Mike Jakubowski had to race through Wojciechowski's pregame introduction as the booing for the program's head coach was louder than for the other team's introduction."

The implication: booing 18-21 year olds who chose to attend another school is fine and to be expected. Booing Wojo crosses a line.

I personally agree that a lot of the social media stuff "crosses the line." But her own words demonstrate that we draw all sorts of "lines" all the time. I suspect my "line" is a lot closer to hers than some others, but I wonder if she realizes that some people think booing other teams during introductions crosses a line.

How many games did we allow students to attend this past season?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Did she really segue from Marquette fans posting "bye bye" on the Instagram announcements to the psycho that DM'd death threats to EJ Liddell?

What a hack.

I wouldn't make the assumption that Wojo didn't get similar treatment to EJ Liddell. Just because someone doesn't make something public, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[cheebs09]

How many games did we allow students to attend this past season?

I'm thinking that's a typo. It was happening by the end of the 2019-2020 season.

[Farley36]

The deflection to Liddell demonstrates the weakness of this entire article.  MU fans boo'ed Wojo at games, and set up a "fire Wojo" hashtag.  This is classified as "harsh" and "hateful" "harassment?"  Saying his firing was overdue or about time or that he set the program back on his instagram?  Petty and classless, as well was totally unnecessary, but hardly "hateful."  Frankly I don't see the point of even complaining about these issues, which is why I suspect the Liddell matter was brought up.  I don't think Wojo did a good job as a head basketball coach, but I think he handled himself with class and professionalism throughout.  Do I wish every fan of the team responded in kind, yes, but I'm not going to call what I have seen so far "hateful," because it isn't, and I am not going to wear a hair shirt because a few fans took some minor cheat shots as Wojo was leaving.  I am going to ignore them, which is what they deserve.

Perfectly stated

[Farley36]

I wouldn't make the assumption that Wojo didn't get similar treatment to EJ Liddell. Just because someone doesn't make something public, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

And I wouldn't make the assumption he did which is what you are implying.  The only thing we have in front of us is a student reporter comparing some rather tame comments directed at Wojo to actual threats directed toward a player at another school.  Apples and oranges.

[WarriorFan]

Great article - thanks for sharing.  We were all once as pure of heart and mind as young Zoe and able to see the world so clearly.  As age grays one's lenses and reality sets in, we realize that the only thing worse than being fired (sometimes liberating) is firing someone.  Nevertheless it's part of the real world and it needs to happen to enable progress.  Nobody likes it.

The way I look at it, Wojo was CEO of a $15m business.  It wasn't performing as well as it could have and future returns were at risk.  The Chairman of the Board made a decision to go a new direction.  Other stakeholders and (likely) the CEO himself were consulted before final action was taken.  Anyone who takes a big job like that and doesn't consider firing as one of the possible short or long term outcomes is naive.  Wojo is not naive. 

[5DollarPitcher]

I wouldn't make the assumption that Wojo didn't get similar treatment to EJ Liddell. Just because someone doesn't make something public, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Just stop it. The point was the article is drawing a false equivalency between what we know with the Wojo situation (i.e. "bye bye", "thanks for nothing", etc etc) and what we know with the Liddell situation (literal death threats). If you want to speculate wildly about something for which there is not proof or evidence, be my guest, but I'm sure you know that's just being disingenuous.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

And I wouldn't make the assumption he did which is what you are implying.  The only thing we have in front of us is a student reporter comparing some rather tame comments directed at Wojo to actual threats directed toward a player at another school.  Apples and oranges.

Just stop it. The point was the article is drawing a false equivalency between what we know with the Wojo situation (i.e. "bye bye", "thanks for nothing", etc etc) and what we know with the Liddell situation (literal death threats). If you want to speculate wildly about something for which there is not proof or evidence, be my guest, but I'm sure you know that's just being disingenuous.

This isn't a court of law counselors. You're allowed to do some speculating. A general rule is that whatever nastiness there is in the public sphere, it's worse behind closed doors. But if you want to pretend that no one ever said or did anything worse than posting "bye bye" on social media, you can live in that world.

[shoothoops]

There are two exceptions to that rule.  Well, maybe three if you include the Cardinals.

Well...EJ is from metro St. Louis...

[shoothoops]

I don't really understand the vitriol some have if their coach isn't successful, or, if their coach chooses to leave on his/her own. It just says more about those people saying and doing those things. And, words and actions have consequences if they cross the line.

[GooooMarquette]

The point of the article was to argue that people should not criticize Wojo personally simply because he did not meet everybody's expectations for his job performance.

It isn't that complicated, folks.

[GooooMarquette]

I don't really understand the vitriol some have if their coach isn't successful, or, if their coach chooses to leave on his/her own. It just says more about those people saying and doing those things. And, words and actions have consequences if they cross the line.

+1

He faced the consequences for failing to win enough; he got fired. There is no need for personal vitriol.

[Farley36]

This isn't a court of law counselors. You're allowed to do some speculating. A general rule is that whatever nastiness there is in the public sphere, it's worse behind closed doors. But if you want to pretend that no one ever said or did anything worse than posting "bye bye" on social media, you can live in that world.

You told someone else not to assume something and just gave yourself permission to assume the opposite.  Hilarious.

[5DollarPitcher]

This isn't a court of law counselors. You're allowed to do some speculating. A general rule is that whatever nastiness there is in the public sphere, it's worse behind closed doors. But if you want to pretend that no one ever said or did anything worse than posting "bye bye" on social media, you can live in that world.

Ok so the rational response is to blindly assume that Wojo experienced the same thing Liddell experienced? Noted.

[connie]

The point of the article was to argue that people should not criticize Wojo personally simply because he did not meet everybody's expectations for his job performance.

It isn't that complicated, folks.

I don't view booing at a game as a personal attack--it is directed to Wojo as coach. All of the MU examples given were acts directed to Wojo as coach.  If you identify actual (not made up or possible) death threats or personal attacks I will condemn them.  In the meantime, I  (just a little) resent the idea that acting ungracious is hateful harassment, and the implied moral judgement that comes from equating such innocuous acts with an actual death threat.

[muwarrior69]

This isn't a court of law counselors. You're allowed to do some speculating. A general rule is that whatever nastiness there is in the public sphere, it's worse behind closed doors. But if you want to pretend that no one ever said or did anything worse than posting "bye bye" on social media, you can live in that world.

Hmm...I dread to think what we really think about each other here on Scoop!

[5DollarPitcher]

I don't view booing at a game as a personal attack--it is directed to Wojo as coach. All of the MU examples given were acts directed to Wojo as coach.  If you identify actual (not made up or possible) death threats or personal attacks I will condemn them.  In the meantime, I  (just a little) resent the idea that acting ungracious is hateful harassment, and the implied moral judgement that comes from equating such innocuous acts with an actual death threat.