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Porter Moser should be the guy

Started by DoctorV, March 21, 2021, 11:44:24 AM

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Blackhat

Looks like he's about to add a sweet 16 to his record.  Why is this even a conversation anymore?

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GoldenWarrior11

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 21, 2021, 12:51:34 PM
Determining Moser is a great coach on the basis of 2 good seasons or even 1 good game is also great comedy. What about the last 2 years? What about all the years before the unexpected Final 4 run?

With respect, Brew - you continue to use Moser's record at ISU as why he is not a higher tier candidate.  Can't it be possible, that he is a better coach now, today, BECAUSE he failed at ISU?

Moser's teams have finished 1st or 2nd every year in the MVC.  Why do you continue to refer to "what else has he done at Loyola"?  He has built Loyola into the new Wichita State.

We can disagree, but Moser has a stronger resume than Smart (who continues to underperform at Texas, given the resources) and Gates, who you are basing off of one single year.

Moser would be an outstanding coach at Marquette for many reasons. But he is a much stronger candidate than Shaka or Gates. 

ChitownSpaceForRent

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 21, 2021, 12:51:34 PM
Determining Moser is a great coach on the basis of 2 good seasons or even 1 good game is also great comedy. What about the last 2 years? What about all the years before the unexpected Final 4 run?

A first and second place finish in the MVC? It's not like Loyola fell off a cliff those two seasons. You make is sound like they were a bottom half team in 19 and 20.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 21, 2021, 11:51:07 AM
Honest question: After watching 15 minutes of Loyola vs Illinois do you have any doubt that Moser would coach circles around Wojo?

They may lose, sure - Illinois is loaded AND well coached. But this Loyola team is VERY well coached. Period.

Watching him this year, he'd wipe the floor with Wojo.

Watching him the two years before that I think I'd have a different answer.

He's hot and cold. Either massively over performs or massively underperforms. Maybe with better resources he evens out. Im not sure
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 21, 2021, 12:51:34 PM
Determining Moser is a great coach on the basis of 2 good seasons or even 1 good game is also great comedy. What about the last 2 years? What about all the years before the unexpected Final 4 run?

Here's what you look for in a MM coach: Can his teams take on the high majors?  Moser's can as his teams always play great defense and he can game coach on O. Can Gates (and I like Gates)? His team just got ass kicked. So the sample is small.

Also with Gates, he'll be gone from MU to FSU after his first good MU season. That's the risk with him.

MarquetteMike1977

After watching this I Like Moser even more. Incredible spacing, picks, cuts, rolls, back picks, front picks, passes on point, players knowing where there are going and what they are doing. Defense gets into you. If we can get him Let's Go Marquette!

Pakuni

#57
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 21, 2021, 12:51:34 PM
Determining Moser is a great coach on the basis of 2 good seasons or even 1 good game is also great comedy. What about the last 2 years? What about all the years before the unexpected Final 4 run?

I'd be cool with Gates or Moser, but you can't knock the latter's resume for lacking in consistent success while also banging the table for the former.
DG has fewer successful seasons at a lower level of basketball, after all.

As for all the past seasons, it's clear that Moser's success has come in the latter portion of his career. But Marquette wouldn't be hiring 2001 Porter Moser. They'd be hiring 2021 Porter Moser, so I'm not sure what he did two decades ago as a 32-year-old head coach at Arkansas Little Rock is terribly relevant.

MU82

Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2021, 01:03:01 PM
I'd be cool with Gates or Moser, but you can't knock the latter's resume for lacking in consistent success while also banging the table for the former.
DG has fewer successful seasons at a lower level of basketball, after all.

As for all the past seasons, it's clear that Moser's success has come in the latter portion of his career. But Marquette wouldn't be hiring 2001 Porter Moser. They'd be hiring 2021 Porter Moser, so I'm no sure what he did two decades ago as a 32-year-old head coach at Arkansas Little Rock is terribly relevant.

Gotta take Shaka's 2011-13 success into account and dismiss everything since! Gotta dismiss Moser's 2018-21 success and focus on everything before it!
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2021, 01:05:06 PM
Gotta take Shaka's 2011-13 success into account and dismiss everything since! Gotta dismiss Moser's 2018 and 21 success and focus on everything before it!

FIFY
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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Norm

If Loyola-Chicago pulls this off, I think there is less of a chance of Moser coming to MU. If he gets to the Elite 8, the odds go down even further. He'll stay at Loyola, where he's now a legend, or he'll land at Indiana. If he stays at Loyola he could also be a candidate for the Notre Dame job if Mike Brey is gone after next year (which is likely to happen).

JWags85

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 12:59:38 PM
Watching him this year, he'd wipe the floor with Wojo.

Watching him the two years before that I think I'd have a different answer.

He's hot and cold. Either massively over performs or massively underperforms. Maybe with better resources he evens out. Im not sure

FWIW, until Friday, Loyola has won 1 game against a P6 team since the FF. And that was a terrible Vandy team. 2 if you add in the A10 Save for these tourney performances, his OOC performance with even these good Loyola teams has been quite bad.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: JWags85 on March 21, 2021, 01:11:34 PM
FWIW, until Friday, Loyola has won 1 game against a P6 team since the FF. And that was a terrible Vandy team. 2 if you add in the A10 Save for these tourney performances, his OOC performance with even these good Loyola teams has been quite bad.

Plus, they lost to Wisconsin.  Can't have that.  ;D

Pakuni

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 01:09:30 PM
FIFY

I mean, it's not like the two seasons in between were abysmal.
20- and 21-win seasons, won the conference regular season title one year, finished second the next. Fluky losses in the conference tournament both years.

warriorfred

Moser coached his team to inbound the ball and bring it up court against the press.  An idea so crazy it might work at Marquette.

Small Orange Soda

Certainly looks like he can coach.  Would he be able to get Top 100 guys? 

Blackhat

After this win I'm not even sure MU can get Moser.  Has MU ever hired a guy with this kind of DI tournament success before?

GB Warrior

Quote from: Blackhat on March 21, 2021, 01:17:58 PM
After this win I'm not even sure MU can get Moser.  Has MU ever hired a guy with this kind of DI tournament success before?

More or less, same thought. Not sure what interest he'd have in this program. A lot of the shine from the Crean and Buzz years is gone.

StillAWarrior

#68
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 21, 2021, 01:17:16 PM
Certainly looks like he can coach.  Would he be able to get Top 100 guys?

He would have a much better pitch to make at Marquette than he had at Loyola. Great history, much better conference, arena, facilities, etc. Can you imagine being the No. 2 team in your own city, and the No. 1 is DePaul?

I want Moser.
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Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 21, 2021, 11:51:07 AM
Honest question: After watching 15 minutes of Loyola vs Illinois do you have any doubt that Moser would coach circles around Wojo?

They may lose, sure - Illinois is loaded AND well coached. But this Loyola team is VERY well coached. Period.

Moser would coach circles around pretty much anyone else in the game right now. I'll be so sad if he's not the guy.

NickelDimer

Quote from: Blackhat on March 21, 2021, 01:17:58 PM
After this win I'm not even sure MU can get Moser.  Has MU ever hired a guy with this kind of DI tournament success before?
Our best hope might be him wanting Marquette as much as they want him. I've seen it reported that he covets this job
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PhillyWarrior

Porter's Loyola just beat #1 Illinois.  Led the entire game and set/controlled the tempo...

Blackhat

Would have to shovel out huge $$$ after this win.

warriorfred

Quote from: Blackhat on March 21, 2021, 01:17:58 PM
After this win I'm not even sure MU can get Moser.  Has MU ever hired a guy with this kind of DI tournament success before?

I now have serious doubts Marquette could land him.  Marquette will probably go with an unproven assistant.

MarquetteMike1977

1.Beilein
2.Moser if we can get him or afford him
3.Gates
4.Shaka if he gets fired
5. Smith
6. DeVries
This Game just flipped Gates and Moser for me.