Wojo Given Take It Or Leave It Offer

[The Sultan]

Agree, it may have been a contributing factor as to why Wojo was terminated but if Scholl actually gave Wojo a choice then Scholl is a moron.

It's very clear that MU wanted him to improve because they didn't want to have to pay up. I doubt this was a Scholl only call.

[connie]

He (nearly) promised 3 years to judge!
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61660.msg1325564#msg1325564

Keep that link handy!

[Silent Verbal]

What coach said that it's fine to get fired for cheating, but getting fired for losing is the worst thing that can happen for a coach's career?  I hate that Wojo walked away with such a fat buyout and we lost seven years of fandom watching his crappy teams, but at least he's now the coaching equivalent of a cuck.

[Small Orange Soda]

I completely believe your friend.   It isn't the first time I have heard a version of this.   It doesn't fundamentally change the narrative.

(Generic coach X), after being told players Y and Z were transferring, reacted profanely and angrily.   What would you expect from (generic coach X)?

Players Y and Z were not happy with how things were run, wrote a letter expressing that to Coach X.  Players Y and Z deserved to be booted off the team, yet we shrug our shoulders at the actions of Coach X?

[Avenue Commons]

What coach said that it's fine to get fired for cheating, but getting fired for losing is the worst thing that can happen for a coach's career?  I hate that Wojo walked away with such a fat buyout and we lost seven years of fandom watching his crappy teams, but at least he's now the coaching equivalent of a cuck.

Huh? He also had great recruiting classes, had exciting teams, we were ranked. Not what anyone including Wojo wanted, but this story line that it was a seven year DISASTER needs to stop.

[tower912]

Substitute Coach O'Neil.  How many f bombs would players Y and Z get?

[Judge Smails]

Huh? He also had great recruiting classes, had exciting teams, we were ranked. Not what anyone including Wojo wanted, but this story line that it was a seven year DISASTER needs to stop.

Agree Wojo wasn't a disaster. Dukiet was a disaster. Those were the true dark days of MU basketball. Wojo had a few highs, some impressive wins, quality players. We were mid major during the Dukiet years.

[Silent Verbal]

Huh? He also had great recruiting classes, had exciting teams, we were ranked. Not what anyone including Wojo wanted, but this story line that it was a seven year DISASTER needs to stop.

We were ranked for a good portion of 2018-19.  I'm not sure we received a single top 25 vote in Wojo's first 4 seasons.  We may have been ranked for a week or two in season 6, but if we were, it wasn't for long and I don't remember it.  For a program like Marquette, that's pathetic.

[warriorfred]

Substitute Coach O'Neil.  How many f bombs would players Y and Z get?

O'Neill never had players writing letters.  Wojo failed to manage the situation. Let it go.

[Small Orange Soda]

Substitute Coach O'Neil.  How many f bombs would players Y and Z get?

Tower, you're an intelligent guy and passionate fan.  But I disagree with your focus on the power struggle aspect.  There were better ways to coach this team, regardless of who brought them up.

[tower912]

Thanks.   And we agree there were better ways to handle the conflict.

[warriorfred]

tower - I respect your passion and appreciate your comments over the years.  Wojo wasn't' the guy.  Honestly, given his background, I'm not sure why?  But I am optimistic about the future.

[joparks]

What coach said that it's fine to get fired for cheating, but getting fired for losing is the worst thing that can happen for a coach's career?  I hate that Wojo walked away with such a fat buyout and we lost seven years of fandom watching his crappy teams, but at least he's now the coaching equivalent of a cuck.

I would think history would suggest that if you get canned for cheating, there are still some universities willing to explore you because while you did cheat, you still won.  If you are not a good coach (didn't win), how do you spin that?  I had all this talent and couldn't put it together.  There are many examples of bad coaches never getting another opportunity or a limited opportunity (small school, small dollars).  In Wojo's case, it gets harder to defend his record because he recruited good talent and had 7 years and yet, didn't produce results.  Many on this board have said they can't see why another P6 school would consider Wojo, yet these same people are more than willing to kick the tires on a Pitino.  Also working against Wojo are the results of other coaches that came from the same tree. A lot more failure than success so Wojo has to attack 2 narratives in this case.

[BCHoopster]

It's very clear that MU wanted him to improve because they didn't want to have to pay up. I doubt this was a Scholl only call.

Just so you know, MU did not pay up, a very wealthy alumni did.

[The Sultan]

Given what apparently transpired, Wojo should go work for a guy other than K. Learn some new tricks.

[tower912]

Again, I consider myself a 'meh'-Jo.   I am not disappointed he is gone.  I disagree with the board Zeitgeist of the root and blame of the Hauser saga.  I agree it was handled poorly.   

Moot point now.  I hope the next guy succeeds.

[RJax55]

tower - I respect your passion and appreciate your comments over the years.  Wojo wasn't' the guy.  Honestly, given his background, I'm not sure why?  But I am optimistic about the future.

Wojo lack the diversity of varied experiences. He knew one program his entire coaching career. He would have benefited in his coaching development to have worked at other programs and under other coaches, especially early in his career.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Did Crean bring in Buzz or the administration. I recall it as the administration but am not sure

[tower912]

Wojo lack the diversity of varied experiences. He knew one program his entire coaching career. He would have benefited in his coaching development to have worked at other programs and under other coaches, especially early in his career.

I agree with this and made a similar point when he was hired.

[Galway Eagle]

I would think history would suggest that if you get canned for cheating, there are still some universities willing to explore you because while you did cheat, you still won.  If you are not a good coach (didn't win), how do you spin that?  I had all this talent and couldn't put it together.  There are many examples of bad coaches never getting another opportunity or a limited opportunity (small school, small dollars).  In Wojo's case, it gets harder to defend his record because he recruited good talent and had 7 years and yet, didn't produce results.  Many on this board have said they can't see why another P6 school would consider Wojo, yet these same people are more than willing to kick the tires on a Pitino.  Also working against Wojo are the results of other coaches that came from the same tree. A lot more failure than success so Wojo has to attack 2 narratives in this case.

I think he could say "well with a very young team we got 20 wins then despite losing the best player we followed it up with a tournament appearance. The next year was rebuilding but if you look at the math we would've been in with NET. Next year was a great year I just mishandled some locker room in fighting and I've learned from my mistakes. Unfortunately the following year I was caught with an unbalanced roster but still had us in a tournament position at the end of the season."

He's the biggest projo of them all.

[Nukem2]

Did Crean bring in Buzz or the administration. I recall it as the administration but am not sure

I think it was TC.  How would the admins know Buzz.

[MU82]

If you are not a good coach (didn't win), how do you spin that?

Ask Kliff Kingsbury!

[joparks]

Huh? He also had great recruiting classes, had exciting teams, we were ranked. Not what anyone including Wojo wanted, but this story line that it was a seven year DISASTER needs to stop.

I guess it comes down to expectations.  I didn't value the things you mentioned here as much as improving throughout the year, winning in February and winning in March.  In fact very little of that was actually accomplished.  I think many people on this board felt the same way which is why as time went on, more and more people acknowledged that he wasn't the right guy for the job.  The fact he missed the mark so badly in some areas and it took 7 years to move on, that is a disaster.

[The Sultan]

What coach said that it's fine to get fired for cheating, but getting fired for losing is the worst thing that can happen for a coach's career?  I hate that Wojo walked away with such a fat buyout and we lost seven years of fandom watching his crappy teams, but at least he's now the coaching equivalent of a cuck.

WTF does this even mean? 

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Did Crean bring in Buzz or the administration. I recall it as the administration but am not sure

I'm pretty sure the admin brought in Jerry Wainwright.  That was a really strong addition for the time.  If I'm wrong then just another savvy Buzz move.