Wojo Given Take It Or Leave It Offer

[Uncle Rico]

Wait, the Hauser's are gone????

It was in the papers

[GooooMarquette]

It was in the papers

Rocky was playing war games in the Scoop MiG-29 that day.

[Uncle Rico]

Rocky was playing war games in the Scoop MiG-29 that day.

I get it.  I was at a tournament get together yesterday in a basement where no one can get phone coverage.  We found about Wojo getting canned about 2 hours after it happened. 

[DFW HOYA]

Bad move on both sides.

Asking a coach to change his staff is calling him out. Either keep him or cut him altogether.

Wojo not seeking to make changes indicates he was just happy taking his guaranteed money right out the door.

[rocky_warrior]

I get it.  I was at a tournament get together yesterday in a basement where no one can get phone coverage.  We found about Wojo getting canned about 2 hours after it happened.

A just got a google notification about on my phone a couple hours ago. 

So for those that didn't have friends texting them real-time (not you rico).  Welcome.  Wojo was fired yesterday.   We have some crazy fans pining for Pitino, but Scholl said yesterday that anyone with NCAA issues wasn't going to be considered.  There's other  threads about the more realistic options.

[PhillyWarrior]

Nope. Every coach wants control over his/her staff, and not to have those personnel decisions being made by the athletic director.
If this happened, Scholl made a reasonable request for staff changes. Wojo made a reasonable decision that staff changes are within his purview, not the ADs.
There's no reason anyone needs to be wrong here.
Really, this thread is mostly a bunch people eager to piss on the guy's grave.

Nope.  A mature person needs to understand his weaknesses and listen to constructive input, especially when he has been crapping the bed for SEVEN years.  He had no leg to stand on, no argument because he failed as a coach and everyone knows he needed help in developing a system, recruiting pieces for that system, game prep, game coaching, and player development.
Short sighted and hopefully he lands in a good place, but I think he he regret this

[The Sultan]

Nope. Every coach wants control over his/her staff, and not to have those personnel decisions being made by the athletic director.
If this happened, Scholl made a reasonable request for staff changes. Wojo made a reasonable decision that staff changes are within his purview, not the ADs.
There's no reason anyone needs to be wrong here.
Really, this thread is mostly a bunch people eager to piss on the guy's grave.

It what workplace are the employees that work for you solely under your purview with no input from your supervisor?

Wojo's decision wasn't reasonable given his mediocre performance over the last two plus seasons. The era of coach having 100% control over these things is long past.

[tower912]

Sam also took exception to how things were going, like I said when I first told the board they were transferring.  Wojo is the adult in the room and leader of the program, it's on him to manage his team.  A hundred coaches deal with things like that every season.

Handling their meeting when they told him they were officially transferring with a "get the unnatural carnal knowledge out of here" (from Sam to my student manager friend who always gave me info) told me all I needed to know about Wojo: that's when I was out.  He's a petulant child and I'm thrilled he's no longer affiliated with my alma mater.

I completely believe your friend.   It isn't the first time I have heard a version of this.   It doesn't fundamentally change the narrative.

(Generic coach X), after being told players Y and Z were transferring, reacted profanely and angrily.   What would you expect from (generic coach X)?

[joparks]

So when I look at this, I can't help but think that there were no winners here.  The Admin didn't get what they ultimately wanted and that was change from a guy they liked that would have kept them from shelling out 6-9M this year.  Wojo didn't get to keep his job and go out on his terms so in that respect, neither accomplished their primary objective. 

People will say that Wojo got his buyout and that's great but I hardly feel that he looks at his career the same way all of us do.  For the hyper-competitive person you have to be to be a P6 College Basketball coach, the buyout is nice but getting canned because you weren't cutting is stings far more and it will stick with him.  He'll be asked in future interviews, his performance at MU will be critiqued long into the future and it will burn.  He didn't get fired for scandal, he didn't get fired because he couldn't recruit talent, he got canned because he wasn't a good coach.  He's more of a CBB General Manager.  He can run a clean program and pick the players and bring them in, he just can't develop players or coach.  Right now, that skillset doesn't exist in CBB for 2.3M a year.  Coaches have to coach.  He can't and everyone pretty much knows that now.  He's got a stigma and for a competitive guy, 6-9M doesn't wash that away.

The School looks like a winner because they finally did something but when you factor in that they put themselves in this position by extending him 2 years ago, they contributed to this mess.  They also have been coming across like they really had no idea (until the last week or so) that the fanbase either had such vitriol and angst toward Wojo and his non-accomplishments or had withdrawn to indifference.  I applaud their decision to move on but I wish the school did a little bit more in terms of reading the tea leaves.  The calls for Wojo's removal didn't just start with the loss to GTown in the BET this year.  It's a costly reminder to the school that when your success factors do not appear to align with your fanbase, (Fanbase always prioritizes winning over everything else) there are going to be deep fractures. 

"I'm happy we consistently finish in the bottom of the Big East because we are scandal free." - Said no one ever.

I'm not advocating for breaking rules.  I'm advocating for winning and ultimately, every school should prioritize winning clean.  It's great that we run a clean program, but we're not winning and the reason we aren't winning is not because our program is clean.  I got the impression from Scholl in his news conference yesterday that he seemed out of touch with the results of the program simply because he said he never had to worry about whether we were doing anything wrong or something to that matter.  In Scholl's case, if the only thing that gets him involved is when we break the rules, then he's not the right guy either.  That may be a discussion for another day.

Both sides lost here and are going to have to do a lot of work repairing the damage they have done.  Wojo has damaged his career and the school needs to do a better job showing the fans that they are paying attention to the results.

[brewcity77]

Bad move on both sides.

Asking a coach to change his staff is calling him out. Either keep him or cut him altogether.

Wojo not seeking to make changes indicates he was just happy taking his guaranteed money right out the door.

The same thing seems to have happened at Louisville. The difference is Chris Mack still has a job and Dino Gaudio and Luke Murray do not.

[rocky_warrior]

The same thing seems to have happened at Louisville. The difference is Chris Mack still has a job and Dino Gaudio and Luke Murray do not.

Right, it all depends on your perspective.  As a fan, I kind of appreciate what Mack did.  As a person (or one of the assistants), I'd rather my boss have my back and take the fall himself.  6 one, half dozer the other.

[willie warrior]

I completely believe your friend.   It isn't the first time I have heard a version of this.   It doesn't fundamentally change the narrative.

(Generic coach X), after being told players Y and Z were transferring, reacted profanely and angrily.   What would you expect from (generic coach X)?

Tower after the end has come, still defending Wojo-Dukiet.

[brewcity77]

Right, it all depends on your perspective.  As a fan, I kind of appreciate what Mack did.  As a person (or one of the assistants), I'd rather my boss have my back and take the fall himself.  6 one, half dozer the other.

Honestly, I think there's a middle ground I would've liked to see. If I'm Wojo, I've already got an opening with Killings gone. You talk to Jake and try to find him a place on another staff, whether high-major or mid, just somewhere that's a softer landing spot. Then you work with Bill to improve your staff. It's also possible there was a compromise where Wojo just replaced Killings with someone Scholl approved of, but Wojo wanted to either promote one of his guys or bring in another young recruiter. That's pretty stubborn when you already have an opening.

The idea that he got fired because of Jake is kind of silly. I imagine it sucked for Jake to watch Jeff Goodman break that news today on the Best Bets podcast and know that although Goody didn't name him, he was the person Goodman was talking about (and yes, I know for certain Jake was watching the stream live).

[MU82]

So when I look at this, I can't help but think that there were no winners here.  The Admin didn't get what they ultimately wanted and that was change from a guy they liked that would have kept them from shelling out 6-9M this year.  Wojo didn't get to keep his job and go out on his terms so in that respect, neither accomplished their primary objective. 

People will say that Wojo got his buyout and that's great but I hardly feel that he looks at his career the same way all of us do.  For the hyper-competitive person you have to be to be a P6 College Basketball coach, the buyout is nice but getting canned because you weren't cutting is stings far more and it will stick with him.  He'll be asked in future interviews, his performance at MU will be critiqued long into the future and it will burn.  He didn't get fired for scandal, he didn't get fired because he couldn't recruit talent, he got canned because he wasn't a good coach.  He's more of a CBB General Manager.  He can run a clean program and pick the players and bring them in, he just can't develop players or coach.  Right now, that skillset doesn't exist in CBB for 2.3M a year.  Coaches have to coach.  He can't and everyone pretty much knows that now.  He's got a stigma and for a competitive guy, 6-9M doesn't wash that away.

The School looks like a winner because they finally did something but when you factor in that they put themselves in this position by extending him 2 years ago, they contributed to this mess.  They also have been coming across like they really had no idea (until the last week or so) that the fanbase either had such vitriol and angst toward Wojo and his non-accomplishments or had withdrawn to indifference.  I applaud their decision to move on but I wish the school did a little bit more in terms of reading the tea leaves.  The calls for Wojo's removal didn't just start with the loss to GTown in the BET this year.  It's a costly reminder to the school that when your success factors do not appear to align with your fanbase, (Fanbase always prioritizes winning over everything else) there are going to be deep fractures. 

"I'm happy we consistently finish in the bottom of the Big East because we are scandal free." - Said no one ever.

I'm not advocating for breaking rules.  I'm advocating for winning and ultimately, every school should prioritize winning clean.  It's great that we run a clean program, but we're not winning and the reason we aren't winning is not because our program is clean.  I got the impression from Scholl in his news conference yesterday that he seemed out of touch with the results of the program simply because he said he never had to worry about whether we were doing anything wrong or something to that matter.  In Scholl's case, if the only thing that gets him involved is when we break the rules, then he's not the right guy either.  That may be a discussion for another day.

Both sides lost here and are going to have to do a lot of work repairing the damage they have done.  Wojo has damaged his career and the school needs to do a better job showing the fans that they are paying attention to the results.

Very good post. Thanks.

[warriorfred]

Both sides lost here and are going to have to do a lot of work repairing the damage they have done.  Wojo has damaged his career and the school needs to do a better job showing the fans that they are paying attention to the results.

Very, very well written.

[tower912]

Tower after the end has come, still defending Wojo-Dukiet.

Willie, after all these years, still being Willie.   Never stop.

[The Sultan]

Willie, after all these years, still being Willie.   Never stop.

I'm just looking forward to willie unleashing his middle school insults on the next coach around the first of the year.

[tower912]

And, anybody who doesn't trash that coach on every post being labeled a slurper.  That never ceases to make me laugh.  He's hysterical.

[connie]

Why wait.  I demand Willie call for the new coach's dismissal immediately! We need consistency amongst the change.

[GooooMarquette]

So when I look at this, I can't help but think that there were no winners here.  The Admin didn't get what they ultimately wanted and that was change from a guy they liked that would have kept them from shelling out 6-9M this year.  Wojo didn't get to keep his job and go out on his terms so in that respect, neither accomplished their primary objective. 

People will say that Wojo got his buyout and that's great but I hardly feel that he looks at his career the same way all of us do.  For the hyper-competitive person you have to be to be a P6 College Basketball coach, the buyout is nice but getting canned because you weren't cutting is stings far more and it will stick with him.  He'll be asked in future interviews, his performance at MU will be critiqued long into the future and it will burn.  He didn't get fired for scandal, he didn't get fired because he couldn't recruit talent, he got canned because he wasn't a good coach.  He's more of a CBB General Manager.  He can run a clean program and pick the players and bring them in, he just can't develop players or coach.  Right now, that skillset doesn't exist in CBB for 2.3M a year.  Coaches have to coach.  He can't and everyone pretty much knows that now.  He's got a stigma and for a competitive guy, 6-9M doesn't wash that away.

The School looks like a winner because they finally did something but when you factor in that they put themselves in this position by extending him 2 years ago, they contributed to this mess.  They also have been coming across like they really had no idea (until the last week or so) that the fanbase either had such vitriol and angst toward Wojo and his non-accomplishments or had withdrawn to indifference.  I applaud their decision to move on but I wish the school did a little bit more in terms of reading the tea leaves.  The calls for Wojo's removal didn't just start with the loss to GTown in the BET this year.  It's a costly reminder to the school that when your success factors do not appear to align with your fanbase, (Fanbase always prioritizes winning over everything else) there are going to be deep fractures. 

"I'm happy we consistently finish in the bottom of the Big East because we are scandal free." - Said no one ever.

I'm not advocating for breaking rules.  I'm advocating for winning and ultimately, every school should prioritize winning clean.  It's great that we run a clean program, but we're not winning and the reason we aren't winning is not because our program is clean.  I got the impression from Scholl in his news conference yesterday that he seemed out of touch with the results of the program simply because he said he never had to worry about whether we were doing anything wrong or something to that matter.  In Scholl's case, if the only thing that gets him involved is when we break the rules, then he's not the right guy either.  That may be a discussion for another day.

Both sides lost here and are going to have to do a lot of work repairing the damage they have done.  Wojo has damaged his career and the school needs to do a better job showing the fans that they are paying attention to the results.

Yep.

I just hope Scholl is a lot better at hiring than he is at firing.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

I just want to get back to the days of arguing wether Marquette is a stepping stone if we get a successful coach who is rumored to half the jobs across the country every season.

[connie]

I have a great deal of skepticism over this story.  If true it requires so much cluelessness by so many that it is like a low grade seventies coming of age comedy. Possible, sure, but so unlikely it strains credulity.

[rocky_warrior]

Why wait.  I demand Willie call for the new coach's dismissal immediately! We need consistency amongst the change.

He (nearly) promised 3 years to judge!
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61660.msg1325564#msg1325564

[CountryRoads]

I have a great deal of skepticism over this story.  If true it requires so much cluelessness by so many that it is like a low grade seventies coming of age comedy. Possible, sure, but so unlikely it strains credulity.

Agree, it may have been a contributing factor as to why Wojo was terminated but if Scholl actually gave Wojo a choice then Scholl is a moron.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

This all seems like a story that satisfies donors that liked Wojo and wanted to give him a last chance — as well as paints Wojo standing up for himself.  So a good story to leak.