Wojo Given Take It Or Leave It Offer

[tower912]

Take the names Hauser, Howard, and Wojo out of the equation.   Replace Howard and Wojo with Winston/Izzo or Powell/Willard.  Remove the emotion.


If the second and third best players on a team with an all American point guard were unhappy with the usage and treatment of Winston/Powell and put their concerns in writing to their coach, what do you think Izzo/Willard would have done?  What coach let's a freshman's complaint dictate the usage of a team captain?

That is the lens through which I have always judged this.   What would I have thought if it happened at a different school and what would I have expected the response of the coach to be?

[🏀]

FTFY

And Wojo is without a job.

And Joey isn't declaring for the draft, which is why he needed to leave Marquette.

[onepost]

If true, it follows a pattern with Wojo.    In 2019, he was too loyal to the Hausers to kick them off the team when they needed to be.

What on earth are you even talking about at this point?  Kick the Hausers OFF THE TEAM??
For what, bringing to light a very clear problem that ended up tanking our season?

How about he act like an adult and a highly-paid basketball coach and address the problem that's clearly affecting his team.
"Kick them off the team".  I'm convinced you're trolling at this point.

[warriorfred]

Take the names Hauser, Howard, and Wojo out of the equation.   Replace Howard and Wojo with Winston/Izzo or Powell/Willard.  Remove the emotion.


If the second and third best players on a team with an all American point guard were unhappy with the usage and treatment of Winston/Powell and put their concerns in writing to their coach, what do you think Izzo/Willard would have done?  What coach let's a freshman's complaint dictate the usage of a team captain?

That is the lens through which I have always judged this.   What would I have thought if it happened at a different school and what would I have expected the response of the coach to be?

To my knowledge that situation never happened with Izzo or Willard  . . . but it happened with Wojo and does not speak well of his team management and leadership.

[onepost]

What coach let's a freshman's complaint dictate the usage of a team captain?

That is the lens through which I have always judged this.   What would I have thought if it happened at a different school and what would I have expected the response of the coach to be?

So you're completely discrediting Sam's involvement in this?  An All-Conference performer who was just as quality a guy off the court?

What would you expect?  Like I said, that the coach hears the concerns of his players and manages it accordingly.  This isn't rocket science.  But given Wojo's clear denial that he was actually doing a good job here, it 100% checks out that he was too dense and ego-maniacal to consider any viewpoints besides his own.

[CountryRoads]

Projos love making up fake dialogue about the Hauser situation. A lot of things that were just rumors or speculation have somehow become "fact" over time. We don't really know what happened. The only certain thing is that the program collapsed under Wojo's leadership.

[🏀]

So you're completely discrediting Sam's involvement in this?  An All-Conference performer who was just as quality a guy off the court?

What would you expect?  Like I said, that the coach hears the concerns of his players and manages it accordingly.  This isn't rocket science.  But given Wojo's clear denial that he was actually doing a good job here, it 100% checks out that he was too dense and ego-maniacal to consider any viewpoints besides his own.

It was roses between the Hauser Family and Markus until Joey thought he was a one and done.

[warriorfred]

The mere fact that Hasershima, Hausergate, Hauserpocolyspe, happened is enough to demonstrate Wojo was out of his element.  It is that simple. 

Amazingly, he was given a second chance (and possibly third chance).  Nothing he did with his two (2) bonus seasons demonstrated he was capable to lead Marquette to success.  I am glad he is gone and I wish him well.

It is time to embrace the change.

[Pakuni]

Projos love making up fake dialogue about the Hauser situation. A lot of things that were just rumors or speculation have somehow become "fact" over time. We don't really know what happened. The only certain thing is that the program collapsed under Wojo's leadership.

I mean, did you even read the post that took us down the dumb path for the millionth time?

[MuggsyB]

I literally wrote "Scholl made a reasonable request for staff changes" in the post to which you are responding.

Yes.  But "Wojo being within his purview", when the results have been well below expectations for 7 yrs, connotes that both parties were not "right" from my point of view.  Unless Wojo had no interest in coming back which is quite possible.

[5DollarPitcher]

Take the names Hauser, Howard, and Wojo out of the equation.   Replace Howard and Wojo with Winston/Izzo or Powell/Willard.  Remove the emotion.


If the second and third best players on a team with an all American point guard were unhappy with the usage and treatment of Winston/Powell and put their concerns in writing to their coach, what do you think Izzo/Willard would have done?  What coach let's a freshman's complaint dictate the usage of a team captain?

That is the lens through which I have always judged this.   What would I have thought if it happened at a different school and what would I have expected the response of the coach to be?

First and foremost, Izzo has NEVER used a player the way Wojo used Howard. And his teams typically win because of that. So your analogy is already extremely flawed and you've failed to understand fundamental differences between Izzo and Wojo (tough look).

Secondly, I certainly don't think Izzo would've kicked players off the team as you so brazenly suggest (Willard maybe, but I'm not convinced he's a good coach, himself). I hypothesize Izzo would sit down with the player(s) and try to help them understand why Izzo knows best (and maybe wear his national championship ring during the sit-down). I'm likely right as Izzo has never had a Hausergate situation happen to him in decades of coaching.

Finally, one of Wojo's fatal flaws was that he never adapted or got better. And the program suffered. He was a freshman coach himself and (as was borne out) didn't really know what he was doing as a high major HC. I don't think the Hauser's came from a place of selfishness. It seems apparent that the Hausers were able to identify (like many many of us besides you, Tower) that "the Howard show" and Wojo's coaching technique could only take the uber-talented team so far, and a balanced attack would likely produce better results (which we have ALL theorized).

Unfortunately I think it is ye that needs to remove the emotion. You hitched your wagon to Wojo and he drove it off a cliff. Bashing college kids to compensate for being wrong about Wojo is just... wrong lol.

You need to accept it, make peace with it, move on. Say it with me "I was wrong about Wojo".

[onepost]

It was roses between the Hauser Family and Markus until Joey thought he was a one and done.

Sam also took exception to how things were going, like I said when I first told the board they were transferring.  Wojo is the adult in the room and leader of the program, it's on him to manage his team.  A hundred coaches deal with things like that every season.

Handling their meeting when they told him they were officially transferring with a "get the unnatural carnal knowledge out of here" (from Sam to my student manager friend who always gave me info) told me all I needed to know about Wojo: that's when I was out.  He's a petulant child and I'm thrilled he's no longer affiliated with my alma mater.

[Pakuni]

Yes.  But "Wojo being within his purview", when the results have been well below expectations for 7 yrs, connotes that both parties were not "right" from my point of view.  Unless Wojo had no interest in coming back which is quite possible.

My dude, now you're just talking out your rear.

[GooooMarquette]

Projos love making up fake dialogue about the Hauser situation. A lot of things that were just rumors or speculation have somehow become "fact" over time. We don't really know what happened. The only certain thing is that the program collapsed under Wojo's leadership.

That's not quite the only certain thing.

We also learned that Joey is not as good as he thought he was.

[panda]

Take the names Hauser, Howard, and Wojo out of the equation.   Replace Howard and Wojo with Winston/Izzo or Powell/Willard.  Remove the emotion.


If the second and third best players on a team with an all American point guard were unhappy with the usage and treatment of Winston/Powell and put their concerns in writing to their coach, what do you think Izzo/Willard would have done?  What coach let's a freshman's complaint dictate the usage of a team captain?

That is the lens through which I have always judged this.   What would I have thought if it happened at a different school and what would I have expected the response of the coach to be?

Didn't Izzo bench watts for long stretches this season?

[Avenue Commons]

Take the names Hauser, Howard, and Wojo out of the equation.   Replace Howard and Wojo with Winston/Izzo or Powell/Willard.  Remove the emotion.


If the second and third best players on a team with an all American point guard were unhappy with the usage and treatment of Winston/Powell and put their concerns in writing to their coach, what do you think Izzo/Willard would have done?  What coach let's a freshman's complaint dictate the usage of a team captain?

That is the lens through which I have always judged this.   What would I have thought if it happened at a different school and what would I have expected the response of the coach to be?

Izzo told Joey he would have handled the situation the same as Wojo and Joey needed to understand that. 

It was in a long form article on Joey's choice. Apologies for not remembering specifics.

[🏀]

Sam also took exception to how things were going, like I said when I first told the board they were transferring.  Wojo is the adult in the room and leader of the program, it's on him to manage his team.  A hundred coaches deal with things like that every season.

Handling their meeting when they told him they were officially transferring with a "get the unnatural carnal knowledge out of here" (from Sam to my student manager friend who always gave me info) told me all I needed to know about Wojo: that's when I was out.  He's a petulant child and I'm thrilled he's no longer affiliated with my alma mater.

Agreed, no one handled it well.

What would you have done?

[MuggsyB]

My dude, now you're just talking out your rear.

If Wojo still wanted to be the head coach of MU why would he object to making staff changes with his lack of success for 7 seasons?  Because it was "within his purview"?

[tower912]

So you're completely discrediting Sam's involvement in this?  An All-Conference performer who was just as quality a guy off the court?

What would you expect?  Like I said, that the coach hears the concerns of his players and manages it accordingly.  This isn't rocket science.  But given Wojo's clear denial that he was actually doing a good job here, it 100% checks out that he was too dense and ego-maniacal to consider any viewpoints besides his own.

You are still viewing it emotionally.  Take the Wojo sucks emotion out of it. And creating imaginary dialog?  We all agree there was unhappiness.  Yes/No?
    I think it was handled poorly.    And I assume the basic narrative is true.  The Hausers were unhappy with what they perceived to be preferential treatment of Markus.  That Markus went off script when plays were called.   And I believe they communicated their frustration to Wojo.   Does anybody actually think differently?

Here is where my perception differs.   What would the outcome be with the identical circumstances listed above if it happened to Izzo, K,  Huggy, Self, Jay, etc.   The convenient answer is that it wouldn't happen to them.  But why?   Because the players wouldn't dare challenge them?   Because they have never had a team with dissension?   Not logical.

What would (fill in the name of your favorite college coach) done in the same circumstances?   (And if it is Bennet, he is rumored to have said he would have donethe same thing)

That is how I came to my opinion.  What would I expect other coaches to do in the same circumstances.   

And I think Wojo trying to please everybody was weak.

[tower912]

Izzo told Joey he would have handled the situation the same as Wojo and Joey needed to understand that. 

It was in a long form article on Joey's choice. Apologies for not remembering specifics.

And TB is rumored to have said the same.   Fascinating.

[Pakuni]

If Wojo still wanted to be the head coach of MU why would he object to making staff changes with his lack of success for 7 seasons?  Because it was "within his purview"?

Now you're shifting goalposts to it being some kind of barometer for how much Wojo wanted to be the head coach at Marquette.
Whether you agree or not, the vast majority of coaches are going to hold firm on having control of their staff. This is true in every sport at every level. Wojo was presented with a choice: sell out on that principle and remain, or take a great big buyout and leave.

The great irony is that by choosing the latter, Wojo gave you the exact result you wanted - he's no longer Marquette's basketball coach. But instead of being happy about it, you're pissing and moaning about his choice. Why? Do you just feel the need to b*tch about everything? Would you only be satisfied if Wojo's departure were somehow more humiliating for him? Are you just a miserable person?
I honestly don't get you. His decision gave you everything you've been asking for, and you need to be unhappy about it?

[warriorfred]

You are still viewing it emotionally.  Take the Wojo sucks emotion out of it. And creating imaginary dialog?  We all agree there was unhappiness.  Yes/No?
    I think it was handled poorly.    And I assume the basic narrative is true.  The Hausers were unhappy with what they perceived to be preferential treatment of Markus.  That Markus went off script when plays were called.   And I believe they communicated their frustration to Wojo.   Does anybody actually think differently?

Here is where my perception differs.   What would the outcome be with the identical circumstances listed above if it happened to Izzo, K,  Huggy, Self, Jay, etc.   The convenient answer is that it wouldn't happen to them.  But why?   Because the players wouldn't dare challenge them?   Because they have never had a team with dissension?   Not logical.

What would (fill in the name of your favorite college coach) done in the same circumstances?   (And if it is Bennet, he is rumored to have said he would have donethe same thing)

That is how I came to my opinion.  What would I expect other coaches to do in the same circumstances.   

And I think Wojo trying to please everybody was weak.

Assuming the story and facts are correct, Wojo's action when the letter (ultimatum?) were delivered was correct.  However, the letter came after a long string of events, discussions, problems, and issues.  The letter did not materialize out of nowhere.  It should not have reached that point.  If Wojo was blindsided by it, that demonstrates gross incompetence. 

The letter and blowup never should have happened.

[5DollarPitcher]

And TB is rumored to have said the same.   Fascinating.

Just like the University was rumored to keep Wojo for next season "cuz COVID finances"? And just like the University was rumored to come out publicly in support of Wojo after the blog article?

Your rumors / theories aren't super reliable anymore, bud.

[MuggsyB]

Now you're shifting goalposts to it being some kind of barometer for how Wojo wanted to be the head coach at Marquette.
Whether you agree or not, the vast majority of coaches are going to hold firm on having control of their staff. This is true in every sport at every level. Wojo was presented with a choice: sell out on that principle and remain, or take a great big buyout and leave.

The great irony is that by choosing the latter, Wojo gave you the exact result you wanted - he's no longer Marquette's basketball coach. But instead of being happy about it, you're pissing and moaning about his choice. Why? Do you just feel the need to b*tch about everything? Would you only be satisfied if Wojo's departure were somehow more humiliating for him? Are you just a miserable person?
I honestly don't get you. His decision gave you everything you've been asking for, and you need to be unhappy about it?

I am happy about it but surprised about how this apparently went down. Did Scholl say he "couldn't control his staff" or that he needed to make changes on the staff?

[NotAnAlum]

If the second and third best players on a team with an all American point guard were unhappy with the usage and treatment of Winston/Powell and put their concerns in writing to their coach, what do you think Izzo/Willard would have done? 

By the time the concerns were put into a letter it was too late.  If the HC has created an environment in which honest communication is encouraged it never gets to a letter.  I've heard from past players Wojo wasn't good at communicating with players 1 on 1 and hearing their concerns.  I chalk it up to Duke breed arrogance and a guy who'd really rather be out recruiting new players than dealing with interpersonal issues of the guys he already has.
Glad he's gone.  Now lets go get someone who is ready to deal with these situations before they explode.