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tower912

If true, it follows a pattern with Wojo.    In 2019, he was too loyal to the Hausers to kick them off the team when they needed to be.   He didn't think there was a problem that wouldn't work itself out in the offseason.    In 2021, he was too loyal to his assistants to clean house and save his job.    He didn't think there was a problem.   

Moving on. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

CountryRoads

Quote from: tower912 on March 20, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
If true, it follows a pattern with Wojo.    In 2019, he was too loyal to the Hausers to kick them off the team when they needed to be.

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Avenue Commons

Quote from: JWags85 on March 20, 2021, 11:24:48 AM
For these purposes, was he though?  He spent 4 seasons as an assistant to him 20 years into his D1 playing and coaching career.  I have no doubt Rick profoundly influenced him as a coach and clearly helped turn his HC career around, but it seems a bit late and short to have locked in these "my conveted job is the Alma mater of my mentor" vibes

Just reiterating what Goodman and the host said. Watch the video.
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MuggsyB

Quote from: tower912 on March 20, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
If true, it follows a pattern with Wojo.    In 2019, he was too loyal to the Hausers to kick them off the team when they needed to be.   He didn't think there was a problem that wouldn't work itself out in the offseason.    In 2021, he was too loyal to his assistants to clean house and save his job.    He didn't think there was a problem.   

Moving on.

Interesting point but should have H and H been kicked off the team Tower?  For the letter/insubordination?

Avenue Commons

Quote from: cheese ball chaser on March 20, 2021, 11:27:07 AM
How the hell do you scroll on that video player on mobile?

Press and hold on the screen until the scroll function pops up.
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forgetful

#57
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2021, 11:23:11 AM
Even if this version is "more true" than the Goodman version, it STILL means that Wojo would have been allowed to keep his job if he did what Scholl wanted. Quite a different narrative from "billboards and blogs and boos got Wojo fired."

I agree. I think Wojo was likely given the opportunity to save his job. My guess that was in part due to Scholl trying to save face for misunderstanding alumni/fan expectations, and conveying proper performance expectations/reviews to Wojo. I also think that to some extent, that led to Wojo being blindsided. I think egos got involved, which is never a good thing, and it shouldn't have gotten to that point.

Seeing some of these leaks makes me think that Scholl really mismanaged a major aspect of his job.

Still, I can't believe Wojo would be that adamantly against brining in a senior x's and o's bench coach. He likely could have lobbied to keep his other 2 assistants, and just bring in a Scholl approved veteran...but egos.

Small Orange Soda

If Wojo had kicked the Hausers off the team for writing a freaking letter then Wojo wasn't getting that extension, and probably not a sixth year either.

Silent Verbal

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Quote from: tower912 on March 20, 2021, 11:31:38 AM
If true, it follows a pattern with Wojo.    In 2019, he was too loyal to the Hausers to kick them off the team when they needed to be.   He didn't think there was a problem that wouldn't work itself out in the offseason.    In 2021, he was too loyal to his assistants to clean house and save his job.    He didn't think there was a problem.   

Moving on.

I think you're mistaking "loyalty" with being too stubborn, having a massive ego, and not being particularly bright or emotionally intelligent enough to read a room.

Basically, he thought his crap didn't stink, hey?

Small Orange Soda

Quote from: forgetful on March 20, 2021, 11:36:53 AM
I agree. I think Wojo was likely given the opportunity to save his job. My guess that was in part due to Scholl trying to save face for misunderstanding alumni/fan expectations, and conveying proper performance expectations/reviews to Wojo. I also think that to some extent, that led to Wojo being blindsided. I think egos got involved, which is never a good thing, and it shouldn't have gotten to that point.

Seeing some of these leaks makes me think that Scholl really mismanaged a major aspect of his job.

Still, I can't believe Wojo would be that adamantly against brining in a senior x's and o's bench coach. He likely could have lobbied to keep his other 2 assistants, and just bring in a Scholl approved veteran...but egos.

If Scholl told Wojo that he was getting a pass on year seven after accomplishing nothing of note the first six, then yeah, very dumb on Scholl's part.

tower912

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 20, 2021, 11:37:12 AM
I think you're mistaking "loyalty" with being too stubborn, having a massive ego, and not being particularly bright or emotionally intelligent enough to read a room.

Basically, he thought his crap didn't stink, hey?

He was convinced he was right.     

He wasn't.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Silkk the Shaka

Seems like a shrewd negotiating tactic to me. The assistants would be gone either way, and he didn't want to suffer the indignity of a full offseason of the fanbase mocking him then getting booed at the Fiserv for a full season before being shown the door. This way he gets a $9mil vacation and gets to look righteous at the same time. If this is to be believed, I'm glad he forced the admin's hand, but sux a$$ we had to pay him so much just to go away. Onward and upward!

tower912

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 20, 2021, 11:37:01 AM
If Wojo had kicked the Hausers off the team for writing a freaking letter then Wojo wasn't getting that extension, and probably not a sixth year either.

He didn't.    He let it stew.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

GoldenWarrior11

This is a good look for both sides, IMO.  Marquette comes out looking like they recognized expectations were not being met, wanted to work with Wojo to help meet them, and that Wojo was loyal, probably to a fault, with players and coaches.  Loyalty to quite a few high-major, and nearly all mid-major, coaching jobs is a strong plus, IMO.  Wojo will be able to spin that as a strong selling point. 

GoldenWarrior11

Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 20, 2021, 11:44:44 AM
Seems like a shrewd negotiating tactic to me. The assistants would be gone either way, and he didn't want to suffer the indignity of a full offseason of the fanbase mocking him then getting booed at the Fiserv for a full season before being shown the door. This way he gets a $9mil vacation and gets to look righteous at the same time. If this is to be believed, I'm glad he forced the admin's hand, but sux a$$ we had to pay him so much just to go away. Onward and upward!

It is "confirmed" that it is $9 million?

cheese ball chaser


Miss Katie’s

Quote from: cheese ball chaser on March 20, 2021, 11:27:07 AM
How the hell do you scroll on that video player on mobile?

Touch and hold the blank area below the video, and the timer should pop up. 

PhillyWarrior

Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2021, 09:58:55 AM
That he didn't through his assistants under the bus is a bad look?
No.
Wojo made an emotional decision and not a rational one.  This and his stubborness is a bad reflection on him.
It was obvious to a blind man that the staff was not successful and changes needed to be made.  Wojo was lucky he was even given a chance.   

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 20, 2021, 11:46:49 AM
It is "confirmed" that it is $9 million?

He had three more years on his contract, but he deferred about $500k this year. So based on salary and perhaps a few other perks, in the $6-7 mil range is a good estimate.

Loose Cannon

Quote from: fjm on March 20, 2021, 09:52:18 AM
Bad look for who?

The admin stuck to their guns and told him things need to change.

Wojo stuck to his guns and supported his staff.

I think it's an ok look for both sides.

Agree
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naginiF

Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 20, 2021, 11:36:43 AM
Press and hold on the screen until the scroll function pops up.
I think I accidentally scrolled backwards 25 years, Goodman was in the kitchen of my crappy apartment in the mid '90s.

Pakuni

Quote from: PhillyWarrior on March 20, 2021, 11:54:08 AM
Wojo made an emotional decision and not a rational one.  This and his stubborness is a bad reflection on him.
It was obvious to a blind man that the staff was not successful and changes needed to be made.  Wojo was lucky he was even given a chance.   

Nope. Every coach wants control over his/her staff, and not to have those personnel decisions being made by the athletic director.
If this happened, Scholl made a reasonable request for staff changes. Wojo made a reasonable decision that staff changes are within his purview, not the ADs.
There's no reason anyone needs to be wrong here.
Really, this thread is mostly a bunch people eager to piss on the guy's grave.

Frenns Liquor Depot

#73
I think it's a perfectly rationale decision.  The choice was prostrate himself for on more year or get fired and collect on the contract, I know what I would choose.  He's looking for a new job in either scenario really. So why not save some face and just take the buyout.   

MU82

Quote from: naginiF on March 20, 2021, 12:01:08 PM
I think I accidentally scrolled backwards 25 years, Goodman was in the kitchen of my crappy apartment in the mid '90s.

This cracked me up. So true!
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