MU coaching candidates

[Galway Eagle]

On Loyola's board there's some posters who see us as a bigger threat for Moser than Depaul. They think if he turns down us he's probably their version of Few or McKillop.

[CountryRoads]

Which has led some I've talked with to say Gates wants to take over at FSU eventually

I was surprised that Hamilton is 72. His 10 year age challenge is pretty funny. He looks the exact same.

https://twitter.com/fsucoachham/status/1199045879598071808?s=21

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Serious question, would KO have any interest in being an assistant at MU?

Isn't the general consensus on him a bad recruiter, but a really good X and O guy or do I have that reversed?

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

"In reality, his taking a mid major to the Final Four by beating all lower seeded teams wasn't that impressive." Really?

50% impressive, 50% incredibly lucky.

They won 3 coin flips in a row. I give Moser credit for having his team in that position.

But I balance the Final Four against his whole resume.  If his resume had 1st round, 2nd round, or Sweet 16 instead of Final Four.  If they had played a 1 seed instead of a 9 in the Elite 8.

He's just a play away from being a ho hum mid major coach.  Three plays going his way doesn't make him all that much better in my eyes.  But it sure makes the top line of his resume look good.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Serious question, would KO have any interest in being an assistant at MU?

Isn't the general consensus on him a bad recruiter, but a really good X and O guy or do I have that reversed?

That was Mike Deane.

[GooooMarquette]

Serious question, would KO have any interest in being an assistant at MU?

Isn't the general consensus on him a bad recruiter, but a really good X and O guy or do I have that reversed?

No - he was an excellent recruiter and a great defensive coach. Offense was his weak spot.

[Pakuni]

FWIW, Scholl's head coaching hires to date have all had some Catholic school background in some form.

Does his hiring of Mike Neu from the New Orleans Saints to be Ball State's football coach count?

[GooooMarquette]

So the three most plausible candidates:

Gates:
Excellent recruiter with local ties, limited head coaching experience, some concern he wants FSU.
High risk, high reward.

Smith:
Solid coaching record, but unclear if he can recruit at a high enough level.

Moser:
Solid but inconsistent coaching record, pretty good recruiter.
The 'safe choice.'

Close?

[NickelDimer]

I can get behind Smith, Kelsey, and Gates.

Outside of the pie in the sky wishlist, this is the list. We get one of these three and I'm pumped

[Uncle Rico]

So the three most plausible candidates:

Gates:
Excellent recruiter with local ties, limited head coaching experience, some concern he wants FSU.
High risk, high reward.

Smith:
Solid coaching record, but unclear if he can recruit at a high enough level.

Moser:
Solid but inconsistent coaching record, pretty good recruiter.
The 'safe choice.'

Close?

Think so and if it's those 3, the order you have them in is the order I'd prefer them. 

As for the Shaka mention, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.  It's probably likely he stays in Austin but he was on the hot seat a year ago and I'm not sure the athletic department is very stable at the moment

[shoothoops]

50% impressive, 50% incredibly lucky.

They won 3 coin flips in a row. I give Moser credit for having his team in that position.

But I balance the Final Four against his whole resume.  If his resume had 1st round, 2nd round, or Sweet 16 instead of Final Four.  If they had played a 1 seed instead of a 9 in the Elite 8.

He's just a play away from being a ho hum mid major coach.  Three plays going his way doesn't make him all that much better in my eyes.  But it sure makes the top line of his resume look good.

MUBB won 3 coin flips in a row in 2003 NCAA Tourney. I give Tom Crean credit for having Marquette in that position. Marquette defeated Holy Cross by 4  points, defeated Mizzou in OT, and defeated Pittsburgh by 3 points in their first 3 games of the 2003 NCAA Tourney.

I give Buzz Williams credit for having his team in position the year they made the Elite 8. Marquette defeated Davidson at the buzzer in the first round. They then defeated Butler by 2 points in the 2nd round.

Do you see a pattern?

The other issue is that it is much more difficult for non Power 5/Big East schools to make the NCAA Tourney. Comparing apples to oranges here. Something more valuable to consider is regular season results, good, bad, indifferent, as well as assistant stops. So in this example the past 5 years backwards are 1,2,1,1,5 league records. While both have value, which has more value, winning your regular season or winning your conference tourney?

*disclaimer, I am not advocating for Moser to be MUBB coach.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Think so and if it's those 3, the order you have them in is the order I'd prefer them. 

As for the Shaka mention, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.  It's probably likely he stays in Austin but he was on the hot seat a year ago and I'm not sure the athletic department is very stable at the moment

It is, in fact, out of the realm of possibility.

[Silkk the Shaka]

MUBB won 3 coin flips in a row in 2003 NCAA Tourney. I give Tom Crean credit for having Marquette in that position. Marquette defeated Holy Cross by 4  points, defeated Mizzou in 2OT, and defeated Pittsburgh by 3 points in their first 3 games of the 2003 NCAA Tourney.

I give Buzz Williams credit for having his team in position the year they made the Elite 8. Marquette defeated Davidson at the buzzer in the first round. They then defeated Butler by 2 points in the 2nd round.

Do you see a pattern?

The other issue is that it is much more difficult for non Power 5/Big East schools to make the NCAA Tourney. Comparing apples to oranges here. Something more valuable to consider is regular season results, good, bad, indifferent, as well as assistant stops. So in this example the past 5 years backwards are 1,2,1,1,5 league records. While both have value, which has more value, winning your regular season or winning your conference tourney?

*disclaimer, I am not advocating for Moser to be MUBB coach.

This is exactly my point, and a resounding positive not a negative in the least. On the big stage, with backs against the wall over & over again, his teams display mental fortitude to keep coming in waves, keep D'ing up, and keep shooting with fundamentals & confidence. How is that possibly construed as a negative??

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Yea that Loyola final four team was tough as crap.

They were also hanging right with Michigan until very late in the game.

[Pakuni]

Does/should this eliminate Joe Pasternack as a candidate?

"* Other allegations of rules violations surfaced during an October federal criminal trial, in which a jury convicted Code and Dawkins of bribery charges in a pay-for-play scheme to steer recruits to Adidas-sponsored schools. Brian Bowen Sr., the father of five-star recruit Brian Bowen Jr., testified that Dawkins told him that then-Arizona associate head coach Joe Pasternack offered $50,000 for his son to sign with the Wildcats in the spring of 2017. Pasternack is now the head coach at UC Santa Barbara."

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26668686/ncaa-launches-investigation-arizona-program

FWIW, it seems Pasternack was not named in the NCAA's infractions report released earlier this month.

[GooooMarquette]

MUBB won 3 coin flips in a row in 2003 NCAA Tourney. I give Tom Crean credit for having Marquette in that position. Marquette defeated Holy Cross by 4  points, defeated Mizzou in OT, and defeated Pittsburgh by 3 points in their first 3 games of the 2003 NCAA Tourney.

I give Buzz Williams credit for having his team in position the year they made the Elite 8. Marquette defeated Davidson at the buzzer in the first round. They then defeated Butler by 2 points in the 2nd round.

Do you see a pattern?

Agreed. The same could be said about most any coach who has one season that stands out from the rest. Shaka has 6 NCAA Tournament wins*, and 4 of them were in one year.


*No, I don't count play-in games.

[HouWarrior]

So the three most plausible candidates:

Gates:
Excellent recruiter with local ties, limited head coaching experience, some concern he wants FSU.
High risk, high reward.

Smith:
Solid coaching record, but unclear if he can recruit at a high enough level.

Moser:
Solid but inconsistent coaching record, pretty good recruiter.
The 'safe choice.'

Close?

I have been a fan of Gates and his MU ties ever since Hoop Dreams

[79Warrior]

Think so and if it's those 3, the order you have them in is the order I'd prefer them. 

As for the Shaka mention, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.  It's probably likely he stays in Austin but he was on the hot seat a year ago and I'm not sure the athletic department is very stable at the moment

Swap Austin for Milwaukee???? That is dreaming big time. I would say almost no chance that happens.

[GooooMarquette]

Does/should this eliminate Joe Pasternack as a candidate?

"* Other allegations of rules violations surfaced during an October federal criminal trial, in which a jury convicted Code and Dawkins of bribery charges in a pay-for-play scheme to steer recruits to Adidas-sponsored schools. Brian Bowen Sr., the father of five-star recruit Brian Bowen Jr., testified that Dawkins told him that then-Arizona associate head coach Joe Pasternack offered $50,000 for his son to sign with the Wildcats in the spring of 2017. Pasternack is now the head coach at UC Santa Barbara."

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26668686/ncaa-launches-investigation-arizona-program

FWIW, it seems Pasternack was not named in the NCAA's infractions report released earlier this month.

If true, yes it should eliminate him.

[GooooMarquette]

I have been a fan of Gates and his MU ties ever since Hoop Dreams

[rocky_warrior]

It is, in fact, out of the realm of possibility.

Perhaps a "Hire Shaka" billboard would help!!!

[JWags85]

Moser:
Solid but inconsistent coaching record, pretty good recruiter.
The 'safe choice.'

Close?

I think this is generous. His typical class ranked around 120 nationally.  His best two classes post-FF were 85 and 87.  His 2020 class and his class for 2021 are both in the 100s.  There are roughly 75 P6 schools plus Gonzaga.  So he wasn't pulling in top 25 mid major classes and wasn't even pulling in top 10 MM classes after the highest profile magical event a school like Loyola could have.

He can identify talent for his system and coaches players up clearly, but I have big concerns about him being able to go out and get top 75/100 guys needed to be BE contenders.  He's never recruited at that level, even as an assistant. Even sole time at a power school, A&M, were some brutal years under Barone where they weren't snagging any talent

That's my worry. There is no doubt he's a good Xs and Os guy.

[GooooMarquette]

Perhaps a "Hire Shaka" billboard would help!!!

And a joint statement from Cracked Sidewalks, Anonymous Eagle and Paint Touches.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

8 pages of nothing but poop on a wall.

[HouWarrior]

Perhaps a "Hire Shaka" billboard would help!!!

HireShaka HireShaka HireShaka

Hooop Der it iz, Hooop Der it iz

(Repeat)