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The Sultan

Quote from: swoopem on March 19, 2021, 01:50:47 PM
Yup! 82 owes you an apology

And fluffy told us all that this was never going to happen.


I never said anything about him or his information.  I never said he was wrong or a dumbass for posting it.

I just didn't think there was any way he was going to be fired.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

cheebs09

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 19, 2021, 01:52:33 PM
Here's a question:  Was it the Georgetown game that did it?  A lot of folks said one game wouldn't determine whether or not Wojo would be here next year.  But losing that game to an inferior program, and in the fashion we lost, may have tipped the scales.

I wonder if Wojo would still be here if we'd won that game.  Life and fortune hang on some pretty slender threads.

I'm wondering if that took it from "we've gotta do some damage control this off-season" to "this isn't salvageable."

The Sultan

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 19, 2021, 01:52:33 PM
Here's a question:  Was it the Georgetown game that did it?  A lot of folks said one game wouldn't determine whether or not Wojo would be here next year.  But losing that game to an inferior program, and in the fashion we lost, may have tipped the scales.

I wonder if Wojo would still be here if we'd won that game.  Life and fortune hang on some pretty slender threads.


I think getting the crap kicked out of us by Georgetown was the final straw.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

tower912

The king is dead.    Long live the king.    When they figure out who it is going to be.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

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Big Papi

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 19, 2021, 01:54:53 PM

I think getting the crap kicked out of us by Georgetown was the final straw.

From the high of North Carolina to the low of Georgetown.

Canceled.

hairy worthen

#130
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 19, 2021, 01:46:41 PM
Now I can say, I told you so.  Try not to give people s*** when they provide intel. 

Thank god he's gone
I believed you!.  You know scoop, handful of known it alls that shun anyone with a different view.

82 it really was  a swirling whirlpool not a clogged sink as you suggested. ;)

We R Final Four

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 19, 2021, 01:52:33 PM
Here's a question:  Was it the Georgetown game that did it?  A lot of folks said one game wouldn't determine whether or not Wojo would be here next year.  But losing that game to an inferior program, and in the fashion we lost, may have tipped the scales.

I wonder if Wojo would still be here if we'd won that game.  Life and fortune hang on some pretty slender threads.
I think more than the loss itself, it was the effort put forth. As others have said, it looked as though we checked out. I've never seen Wojo's body language so bad while sitting on the bench. When I saw that I thought it might be over.

Silent Verbal

Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 19, 2021, 01:53:46 PM
I understand the desire for MU to be more competitive. But I don't get the vitriol towards Wojo. He worked hard, recruited well, and was a great ambassador for Marquette. We were ranked for good chunks of his tenure with some amazing recuits like Ellenson and Garcia and the development of Markus. I'll always wonder "what could have been" last year if Joey and Sam stayed and Covid doesn't happen and cancel tourney. We were on our way to the tourney last year even without them. We can all agree on his failures in regards to the tourney. But to shoot fire at the guy is something I don't understand.

Here is something true:  Wojo's gone and he's not coming back.  You don't need to try and sell us on him.  He's done at Marquette.

5DollarPitcher

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 19, 2021, 01:52:33 PM
Here's a question:  Was it the Georgetown game that did it?  A lot of folks said one game wouldn't determine whether or not Wojo would be here next year.  But losing that game to an inferior program, and in the fashion we lost, may have tipped the scales.

I wonder if Wojo would still be here if we'd won that game.  Life and fortune hang on some pretty slender threads.
If we beat Georgetown and then Villanova, and lost in the semis, Wojo would 100% be coming back next year.

All the posters condescendingly telling us one or two games wouldn't save Wojo's job and the admin made their decision halfway through the season are the same ones guaranteeing us he'd be back next year "cuz COVID".  Moral of the story - these posters have NO idea what they're talking about and use condescension as a vehicle for their own insecurities.  Today, they've been proven wrong, some have owned up - some are nowhere to be found.

Either way - let's go get a coach this program deserves. Let's WIN.

THEbig0

I'd almost guarantee it had to do with ticket renewals.  In the current climate money talks, and they university can't afford to lose that revenue even if they have to shell out in the short term or knock on a donor's door to help.

cheebs09

Quote from: THEbig0 on March 19, 2021, 02:12:34 PM
I'd almost guarantee it had to do with ticket renewals.  In the current climate money talks, and they university can't afford to lose that revenue even if they have to shell out in the short term or knock on a donor's door to help.

Would they have that info yet? But I agree. I think the projected revenue lost if he stayed was starting to get close to the cost of getting rid of him.

5DollarPitcher

Quote from: cheebs09 on March 19, 2021, 02:15:09 PM
Would they have that info yet? But I agree. I think the projected revenue lost if he stayed was starting to get close to the cost of getting rid of him.
Ticket renewals don't come around until summer / fall - so no. This had to do with intense pressure from the fanbase and a piss poor (versus passably mediocre) season result.

Viper

Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 19, 2021, 12:50:17 PM
Realistically, the University had no choice. It had to be done, hey?
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skianth16

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 19, 2021, 02:11:51 PM
If we beat Georgetown and then Villanova, and lost in the semis, Wojo would 100% be coming back next year.

All the posters condescendingly telling us one or two games wouldn't save Wojo's job and the admin made their decision halfway through the season are the same ones guaranteeing us he'd be back next year "cuz COVID".  Moral of the story - these posters have NO idea what they're talking about and use condescension as a vehicle for their own insecurities.  Today, they've been proven wrong, some have owned up - some are nowhere to be found.

Either way - let's go get a coach this program deserves. Let's WIN.

don't hold back!

MU82

It is a bittersweet situation with a lot of emotions. Any divorce is a failure, and any failure hurts.

I was a ProJo for most of his time at Marquette. Wojo operated the program with class and brought in a lot of players I enjoyed watching, kids who represented the university very well. He seemed to care deeply about the athletes and about making our program great.

As was the case with many of us, Hausershima and all of its trappings (the collapse, the letter, the transfers, etc) was a major event that affected how I thought about Wojo's ability to run the program. While I assign a heaping helping of blame to the Hausers, managing egos and promoting good locker-room chemistry are huge parts of a coach's job. It was a massive fail on Wojo's part, and I became a "ShowMeJo" after that.

I was very concerned about Wojo's ability to recruit in the wake of Hausershima, so when he was able to land Garcia, Lewis, Oso and eventually DJ, combined with our good start last season, I again stepped in pretty strongly behind him. Then, of course, came another collapse, and Wojo officially was on the clock for me.

As this season progressed, I became increasingly frustrated with some of his poor coaching. After this season's loss to DePaul, I fell in line with the NoJos, and said he should be fired immediately. Our guys went on to lose 6 of 7 (again), and like many others here, I was more sure than ever that he had to go.

I really didn't think it would happen for all the reasons many of us discussed here, and I will be interested to hear how Scholl, Lovell, etc, arrived at the decision to do it.

Was it as easy as them being pushed over the top by the humiliation against Georgetown? Was the pressure applied by regular fans like us here at Scoop too much for them to ignore? (If so, yay us!) Did the reality of what was waiting for Wojo & Co. next season -- apathy, lost income for the department, booing -- finally hit home? Did a thorough examination of Wojo's body of work make Scholl et al decide that this was the only logical move? Did a couple/few rich alums make their voices heard and pony up the big bucks? Some combination of the above? Hopefully, that information will come out.

I congratulate Bad Reporter on being the first to really talk about the likelihood of this happening. That was an outstanding call, and I'm glad I didn't take the bet! I also congratulate Scholl and Lovell for making what had to be a very difficult decision; regardless of how they arrived at the decision, as a fan and an alum it's nice to know that they, indeed, do care about Marquette basketball being great.

As others have said ... now the tough part starts. I hope we get a coach who has a history of recruiting athletes with Big East-level skills and with a diverse history of employment. Preferably, our new coach will have been a head coach at some collegiate level as well as having been an assistant to a very good P5 coach or three.

Again, a bittersweet day, but a very necessary one. And yes, the word really was swirling.

We Are Marquette!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

willie warrior

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 19, 2021, 12:50:29 PM
Absolutely right.

Where are all the condescending a-holes who tried to shut us up for so long? The fanbase got this done - there's no question.
That is a very good question.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

willie warrior

Quote from: BM1090 on March 19, 2021, 01:00:32 PM
Cool.

Good guy. I won't hate him. But clearly not up to the task and a good move.
That is absolutely correct. And he is walking away with millions.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

Small Orange Soda

Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 19, 2021, 01:53:46 PM
We were ranked for good chunks of his tenure

You must be confusing Wojo with someone else.

NickelDimer

YES! This is so amazing because I was told soooo many times this wouldn't and couldn't possibly happen
No Finish Line

5DollarPitcher

Quote from: MU82 on March 19, 2021, 02:23:10 PM
It is a bittersweet situation with a lot of emotions. Any divorce is a failure, and any failure hurts.

I was a ProJo for most of his time at Marquette. Wojo operated the program with class and brought in a lot of players I enjoyed watching, kids who represented the university very well. He seemed to care deeply about the athletes and about making our program great.

As was the case with many of us, Hausershima and all of its trappings (the collapse, the letter, the transfers, etc) was a major event that affected how I thought about Wojo's ability to run the program. While I assign a heaping helping of blame to the Hausers, managing egos and promoting good locker-room chemistry are huge parts of a coach's job. It was a massive fail on Wojo's part, and I became a "ShowMeJo" after that.

I was very concerned about Wojo's ability to recruit in the wake of Hausershima, so when he was able to land Garcia, Lewis, Oso and eventually DJ, combined with our good start last season, I again stepped in pretty strongly behind him. Then, of course, came another collapse, and Wojo officially was on the clock for me.

As this season progressed, I became increasingly frustrated with some of his poor coaching. After this season's loss to DePaul, I fell in line with the NoJos, and said he should be fired immediately. Our guys went on to lose 6 of 7 (again), and like many others here, I was more sure than ever that he had to go.

I really didn't think it would happen for all the reasons many of us discussed here, and I will be interested to hear how Scholl, Lovell, etc, arrived at the decision to do it.

Was it as easy as them being pushed over the top by the humiliation against Georgetown? Was the pressure applied by regular fans like us here at Scoop too much for them to ignore? (If so, yay us!) Did the reality of what was waiting for Wojo & Co. next season -- apathy, lost income for the department, booing -- finally hit home? Did a thorough examination of Wojo's body of work make Scholl et al decide that this was the only logical move? Did a couple/few rich alums make their voices heard and pony up the big bucks? Some combination of the above? Hopefully, that information will come out.

I congratulate Bad Reporter on being the first to really talk about the likelihood of this happening. That was an outstanding call, and I'm glad I didn't take the bet! I also congratulate Scholl and Lovell for making what had to be a very difficult decision; regardless of how they arrived at the decision, as a fan and an alum it's nice to know that they, indeed, do care about Marquette basketball being great.

As others have said ... now the tough part starts. I hope we get a coach who has a history of recruiting athletes with Big East-level skills and with a diverse history of employment. Preferably, our new coach will have been a head coach at some collegiate level as well as having been an assistant to a very good P5 coach or three.

Again, a bittersweet day, but a very necessary one. And yes, the word really was swirling.

We Are Marquette!
On behalf of all true Nojos - we accept your apology.

willie warrior

Quote from: Mu8891 on March 19, 2021, 12:53:19 PM
I'm shocked

Pleased, but shocked.

I don't think it's a news " dump "

They will actually get some press during the NCAAs
Yeah, I am shocked also. Have to believe the blogosphere turned the tide.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

willie warrior

Quote from: cheebs09 on March 19, 2021, 01:54:30 PM
I'm wondering if that took it from "we've gotta do some damage control this off-season" to "this isn't salvageable."
The latter should have been a no brainer
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

Tha Hound

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 19, 2021, 02:11:51 PM
If we beat Georgetown and then Villanova, and lost in the semis, Wojo would 100% be coming back next year.

All the posters condescendingly telling us one or two games wouldn't save Wojo's job and the admin made their decision halfway through the season are the same ones guaranteeing us he'd be back next year "cuz COVID".  Moral of the story - these posters have NO idea what they're talking about and use condescension as a vehicle for their own insecurities.  Today, they've been proven wrong, some have owned up - some are nowhere to be found.

Either way - let's go get a coach this program deserves. Let's WIN.

Gotta hand it to you...you aren't wrong on this one

willie warrior

Quote from: tower912 on March 19, 2021, 01:57:16 PM
The king is dead.    Long live the king.    When they figure out who it is going to be.
Tower slurping to the end.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

Autoengineer

I was leaning towards keeping him for next year....until I read the AE/PAint Touches/Cracked Sidewalks article yesterday and they convinced me he needed to go.  In particular the points about creating turnovers and the never ending excuses on their poor defense.


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