We should be happy beating UNC

[Billy Hoyle]

Sew, how badd iz Louisville, hey?

They're not great, but don't forget they were coming off a long COVID pause. Look at what that did to Baylor. I don't put much stock in that performance being indicative of L-ville as a team.

[JakeBarnes]

This kinda felt like the WV game. We marched into their house with a chip on our shoulder and took home a W. I enjoyed it

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Roy thought this game would be a win. He said it in his post game presser. UNC was looking past us.

Not exactly. He was asked whether they would have scheduled the game if they knew they were going to lose. Roy was incredulous at the question and replied something along the lines of "Of course we wouldn't have scheduled it if we knew we going to lose. You can't use hindsight. If I knew we were going to win I would have scheduled the Lakers."

He thought (correctly) that it was a dumb question.

EDIT: I mean, yeah, I'm sure he thought they would win however.

[Shooter McGavin]

I don't think anyone is angry we won. Even the most disillusioned of Nojo has to believe last night was a nice win for which we should be thankful. The guys played hard. They played with emotion and they did what they were supposed to do.

Win

Rather, a lot of us feel a sense of emptiness. The sense that comes from a team that defeated Wisconsin, Creighton and North Carolina but managed to lose to St. John's, Seton Hall and DePaul. While there is no shame in an occasional unexpected loss (unless it is DePaul), the lack of execution in our losses, the turnovers and the inconsistency is maddening.

What last night showed is that we have what we thought we had -- a reasonably talented but raw group of basketball players. The consistency that by now we would have expected has yet to come and the flash of brilliance we saw last night is a harbinger of what could have been.

This is exactly right.  I love that they won last night.  I hope they win out and make the tournament. 

If they don't, the empty feeling at the end of the year will be more stark because they have the talent to do it.

When you know you are short on talent and the season ends generally fans are ok with it.  But having talent and not making it is a wasted opportunity not only for the year but for future years (advertising the program for future recruits). 

I said before the season Wojo had to make it to the tournament with this team for me to stay on board.  The talent was apparent from the beginning.  Anything but that has to be looked at as a failure.  Wins like last night just make it more apparent (and I love the fact that we kicked UNCs ass last night).

Butler and NC was a good start.  Keep playing this way and winning out the regular season is possible. Getting to the championship game of the Big East tournament is possible. There is still a sliver of hope.

Lose this weekend to UConn and it's all a waste of good talent and one big empty feeling.

Go MU!  I'm pulling for a miracle.

[Farley36]

I don't know how many times it can be said. Wojo was never getting fired this season. COVID saved his job a long time ago. Nothing to do with wins and losses. Wojo is playing with house money at this point. He could lose every remaining game or he could win enough to fall one loss short of the tournament...both results end up with him getting the exact same amount of leash next season. Win or be fired.

I am amazed how dumb people think Bill Scholl is, that winning what likely becomes a meaningless game against North Carolina is suddenly going to buy Wojo an extra year when the rest of the season has been a crap sandwich.

You don't factor in the pressure a mobilized fanbase can apply.  The problem is that the majority of our fanbase are fine saying @he wasn't getting fired anyway" or "our enjoyment of this win doesn't matter."    People should be mad about the product Wojo is turning out and if everyone was maybe the powers that be would have to think about that in their decision making but most MU fans seem happy to give them a pass and enjoy the "big win."

[The Sultan]

You don't factor in the pressure a mobilized fanbase can apply.  The problem is that the majority of our fanbase are fine saying @he wasn't getting fired anyway" or "our enjoyment of this win doesn't matter."    People should be mad about the product Wojo is turning out and if everyone was maybe the powers that be would have to think about that in their decision making but most MU fans seem happy to give them a pass and enjoy the "big win."

I mean, he wasn't getting fired regardless of what happened last night.  I'm fine saying that because it is a fact.

[Farley36]

With all due respect I think the two of you are conflating separate issues.  I can't  speak/write for everyone but I and many other posters agree we need to blow this thing up ASAP.  Imo it's a dumpster fire and last night doesn't change that fact. 

At the same time if  you are literally rooting for us to lose, believing that these losses will seal the deal regarding Wojo's future, then it does beg the question why do you support and watch the team at all? 

Additionally, if you are excoriating MU fans for enjoying a win over UNC, especially in light of how tough this year has been, it's truly bizarre and suggests that you have trouble compartmentalizing.  If you were living on Ramen noodles for a month, and then had a prime-time dinner somewhere one evening, would you not enjoy the meal out of spite?

Does having the steak mean I'm more likely to be eating Ramen for years to come?   Also the steak served last night wasn't some prime aged ribeye from the finest steakhouse.  It was more like a $5 greasy steak from a diner. 

[Farley36]

I mean, he wasn't getting fired regardless of what happened last night.  I'm fine saying that because it is a fact.

Let's say that's true.  Doesn't change a thing that people shouldn't be celebrating this win because nothing that helps Wojo is good in anyway for this program.

[The Sultan]

Let's say that's true.

We can say it's true because it is true.  No need for the hypothetical.

Doesn't change a thing that people shouldn't be celebrating this win because nothing that helps Wojo is good in anyway for this program.

I'm going to celebrate it because I like when my team wins.  I like the players AND I like the coach.  I think he should be fired because he isn't good enough but I still like the guy.

You still don't understand that nothing that happened yesterday had any marginal impact on Wojo.  So you have managed to make yourself miserable over a Marquette victory, and continuously getting dunked on Scoop, over something that has no relevance to your ultimate goal.  Hilarious.

[MuggsyB]

Does having the steak mean I%u2019m more likely to be eating Ramen for years to come?   Also the steak served last night wasn%u2019t some prime aged ribeye from the finest steakhouse.  It was more like a $5 greasy steak from a diner.

Fair enough.  Why don't you let me know when exactly to be happy even for an hour?  Is the answer  the day Wojo is terminated or is no longer with the program?  What's the time-line here and is it okay to enjoy any win until we get an NCAA tournament win?  I was just curious about your thought process on this one.  Ty.

[panda]

Let's say that's true.  Doesn't change a thing that people shouldn't be celebrating this win because nothing that helps Wojo is good in anyway for this program.

As I said in another thread, I enjoyed the win and seeing the kids happy made it even better. I really hope Wojo adds this game/scenario to his resume for a new job this offseason.

I can be happy and still understand the bigger picture is pretty bleak until a change at the top is made.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

You don't factor in the pressure a mobilized fanbase can apply.

I literally laughed out loud and needed to pause before reading the rest of your statement.

The problem is that the majority of our fanbase are fine saying @he wasn't getting fired anyway" or "our enjoyment of this win doesn't matter."    People should be mad about the product Wojo is turning out and if everyone was maybe the powers that be would have to think about that in their decision making but most MU fans seem happy to give them a pass and enjoy the "big win."

Fans will have nothing to do with whether or not Wojo gets fired. The only thing that will matter is how much winning Wojo does next season. If it's enough, he will be retained. If it's not, he will be fired. You can boo as much as you want, write hundreds of angry letters, even rent a billboard next to campus, it won't factor one bit in the decision.

I cannot emphasize enough how meaningless our opinions are. Maybe there's a few big time donors mucking around with us commoners on scoop who have a little more pull but most of our opinions are worth less than a fart in the wind.

[Uncle Rico]

Mobilized fan bases usually lead to disaster

[5DollarPitcher]

I'm genuinely curious if you have an answer to this question:

Because it's my alma mater and I'll never not watch. Is it really any of your business anyway? Why are you so obsessed with how I feel about the team / program? If I think we suck and bitch about it, that's what I'm gonna do. It's called being a sports fan. I'm not the first and I won't be the last.

[Nukem2]

I literally laughed out loud and needed to pause before reading the rest of your statement.

Fans will have nothing to do with whether or not Wojo gets fired. The only thing that will matter is how much winning Wojo does next season. If it's enough, he will be retained. If it's not, he will be fired. You can boo as much as you want, write hundreds of angry letters, even rent a billboard next to campus, it won't factor one bit in the decision.

I cannot emphasize enough how meaningless our opinions are. Maybe there's a few big time donors mucking around with us commoners on scoop who have a little more pull but most of our opinions are worth less than a fart in the wind.

Yep. That's much the case.

[5DollarPitcher]

If you were living on Ramen noodles for a month, and then had a prime-time dinner somewhere one evening, would you not enjoy the meal out of spite?

If the meal was provided to me by the same person feeding me ramen noodles the other 90% of the time - I'd have a hard time enjoying it.

[5DollarPitcher]

Fair enough.  Why don't you let me know when exactly to be happy even for an hour?  Is the answer  the day Wojo is terminated or is no longer with the program?  What's the time-line here and is it okay to enjoy any win until we get an NCAA tournament win?  I was just curious about your thought process on this one.  Ty.

It's ok to be happy when one of the following events occurs:
(1) A Wojo team actually wins something of merit in a season (Big East title, Big East tourney championship, Sweet Sixteen)
(2) The admin sacks up and fires him

Until then, everything in between is purgatory. Some good purgatory, some bad purgatory, but it's all the same purgatory. If you fall for the fools gold season after season, you're empowering the admin to keep him around. Not one individual on Scoop, but the collective MU fanbase willing to turn a blind eye to the infinite purgatory Wojo has created.

[Galway Eagle]

It's ok to be happy when one of the following events occurs:
(1) A Wojo team actually wins something of merit in a season (Big East title, Big East tourney championship, Sweet Sixteen)
(2) The admin sacks up and fires him

Until then, everything in between is purgatory. Some good purgatory, some bad purgatory, but it's all the same purgatory. If you fall for the fools gold season after season, you're empowering the admin to keep him around. Not one individual on Scoop, but the collective MU fanbase willing to turn a blind eye to the infinite purgatory Wojo has created.

Agree about purgatory. Better that than hell

[5DollarPitcher]

Agree about purgatory. Better that than hell

Not when it comes to sports.

[Uncle Rico]

It's ok to be happy when one of the following events occurs:
(1) A Wojo team actually wins something of merit in a season (Big East title, Big East tourney championship, Sweet Sixteen)
(2) The admin sacks up and fires him

Until then, everything in between is purgatory. Some good purgatory, some bad purgatory, but it's all the same purgatory. If you fall for the fools gold season after season, you're empowering the admin to keep him around. Not one individual on Scoop, but the collective MU fanbase willing to turn a blind eye to the infinite purgatory Wojo has created.

Organize the fan base and contact the administration.  Work with the power brokers and financial contributors to help pressure the schools and athletic department to make a move.  Scoop is one place to start.  You can also organize at Dodd's board and social media.  It'll take a solid effort and a lot of money and financial backing to have something done after this season.  Your passion is a great starting point.  I'll read your newsletter if you publish one.  Thanks for your efforts ahead of time

[Farley36]

We can say it's true because it is true.  No need for the hypothetical.


I'm going to celebrate it because I like when my team wins.  I like the players AND I like the coach.  I think he should be fired because he isn't good enough but I still like the guy.

You still don't understand that nothing that happened yesterday had any marginal impact on Wojo.  So you have managed to make yourself miserable over a Marquette victory, and continuously getting dunked on Scoop, over something that has no relevance to your ultimate goal.  Hilarious.

You keep saying I don't understand that yesterday's victory had no impact on Wojo.  You're too dumb to realize that what you're arguing is only proving the larger point.  You're a mental midget.  You didn't really go to Marquette did you?  If so it's embarrassing.

[Galway Eagle]

Not when it comes to sports.

Maybe in the pros where there's draft picks. In college I'd rather be in purgatory, which as you said earlier is irrelevant. You've called us irrelevant last year when we were a lock for the tournament thus irrelevant means in the tournament.

I'd personally rather be one of the 68 schools to get in front of the most watched sporting event in the country as opposed to in "hell" which would pretty much be anything after the "Next four out"

[Farley36]

I literally laughed out loud and needed to pause before reading the rest of your statement.

Fans will have nothing to do with whether or not Wojo gets fired. The only thing that will matter is how much winning Wojo does next season. If it's enough, he will be retained. If it's not, he will be fired. You can boo as much as you want, write hundreds of angry letters, even rent a billboard next to campus, it won't factor one bit in the decision.

I cannot emphasize enough how meaningless our opinions are. Maybe there's a few big time donors mucking around with us commoners on scoop who have a little more pull but most of our opinions are worth less than a fart in the wind.

You're pretty dumb to think that if the money starts to dry up from fans not donating, buying tickets etc that change wouldn't happen sooner.  Laugh all you want but it makes you look naive at best and idiotic at worst.

[Farley36]

Maybe in the pros where there's draft picks. In college I'd rather be in purgatory, which as you said earlier is irrelevant. You've called us irrelevant last year when we were a lock for the tournament thus irrelevant means in the tournament.

I'd personally rather be one of the 68 schools to get in front of the most watched sporting event in the country as opposed to in "hell" which would pretty much be anything after the "Next four out"

Can you please point to any data that says the NCAA tournament is the most watched sporting event in the country?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Because it's my alma mater and I'll never not watch. Is it really any of your business anyway? Why are you so obsessed with how I feel about the team / program? If I think we suck and bitch about it, that's what I'm gonna do. It's called being a sports fan. I'm not the first and I won't be the last.

I don't think I'm obsessed. I asked a question twice. If you didn't answer this time I was going to leave it alone. I was just genuinely  curious. I can't imagine choosing to put myself in a no win scenario like you have. I simply don't have time to dedicate energy to things that I'm not going to enjoy no matter what the outcome. But like you said (and I said in my original post) that's your business and more power to you.