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#UnleashSean

Does Marquette have a sleeping issue no one is aware of? How can they consistently be "tired"?

willie warrior

Quote from: #UnleashDiener on December 24, 2020, 03:42:01 AM
Does Marquette have a sleeping issue no one is aware of? How can they consistently be "tired"?
It is the new excuse de jour.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

cheese ball chaser

Quote from: willie warrior on December 24, 2020, 05:49:25 AM
It is the new excuse de jour.

He's used up all the other common excuses so he's just trying to think of others at this point.

The Sultan

They do seem worn out.  They've played eight games (seven versus major opponents) in four weeks and haven't had the usual breaks for finals built in.  I actually wonder if Nova and Xavier having some games cancelled for Covid reasons has been beneficial in some ways.

The good news is they now have ten days off prior to Georgetown so we can see how accurate this theory is.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

tower912

10 games in 28 days.   7 against high majors.   4 time zones.    I think Lewis in particular has hit his first freshman wall.    Garcia is pushing up against it.   

"Our players aren't robots."     
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

mu_hilltopper

They are not just 18-22 year olds ..  They lift weights regularly, with strength coaches and nutritionists paying close attention to their daily lives. 

They have hours of formal practices and more hours of informal gym time with very few days off -- and they've been doing all of that for years with little down-time ever.  They are finely tuned athletes. 

Tired because of a some top-talent competition over a few weeks?  Uh huh.

panda

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 24, 2020, 08:48:36 AM
They are not just 18-22 year olds ..  They lift weights regularly, with strength coaches and nutritionists paying close attention to their daily lives. 

They have hours of formal practices and more hours of informal gym time with very few days off -- and they've been doing all of that for years with little down-time ever.  They are finely tuned athletes. 

Tired because of a some top-talent competition over a few weeks?  Uh huh.

It's a pathetic excuse for poor play from a pathetic excuse for a high major coach.

HutchwasClutch

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Quote from: panda on December 24, 2020, 08:57:05 AM
It's a pathetic excuse for poor play from a pathetic excuse for a high major coach.

Perfectly summarized.  It's nonsense from a guy who's utterly clueless how to fix his team's problems. He's a high major coach in title only.  These excuses further embarrass himself

The Sultan

Quote from: panda on December 24, 2020, 08:57:05 AM
It's a pathetic excuse for poor play from a pathetic excuse for a high major coach.

I'm not a projo by an means but it's clear they are worn out. Not really an excuse but a fact.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

hairy worthen

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 24, 2020, 08:48:36 AM
They are not just 18-22 year olds ..  They lift weights regularly, with strength coaches and nutritionists paying close attention to their daily lives. 

They have hours of formal practices and more hours of informal gym time with very few days off -- and they've been doing all of that for years with little down-time ever.  They are finely tuned athletes. 

Tired because of a some top-talent competition over a few weeks?  Uh huh.
I will never buy physically tired. Mentally tired maybe.

tower912

Why?   Why do you not accept that young men can get fatigued?    And by the way, I agree with the mental fatigue point.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

hairy worthen

Quote from: tower912 on December 24, 2020, 09:34:11 AM
Why?   Why do you not accept that young men can get fatigued?    And by the way, I agree with the mental fatigue point.
Because I was a young man once very long ago. They are high level athletes, their bodies recover quickly. Unless they are playing double headers that shouldn't be an excuse. And the coach sure as hell shouldn't use it as an excuse, now the players buy into that nonsense.

vogue65

Quote from: #UnleashDiener on December 24, 2020, 03:42:01 AM
Does Marquette have a sleeping issue no one is aware of? How can they consistently be "tired"?

Don't believe your lyin' eyes.
Amazing how much pep the mass substitution brought to the floor.
However, less talent and teamwork.
Just accept that we are not there yet.

The Sultan

Quote from: hairy worthen on December 24, 2020, 09:38:47 AM
Because I was a young man once very long ago. They are high level athletes, their bodies recover quickly. Unless they are playing double headers that shouldn't be an excuse. And the coach sure as hell shouldn't use it as an excuse, now the players buy into that nonsense.


Lol seriously?  "I was young once and didn't get physically tired therefore these guys aren't."
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

tower912

I think Wojo is trying to defend his players.    Buzz used it when Dayton blitzed us down in Chicago on day 2 of a tournament.    Especially late in the season and during conference tournaments, you hear it all the time.       I think looking at the big picture, fatigue is inevitable.   

But, rest, regroup, don't catch COVID, and go beat up on the rest of the Big East.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

panda

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 24, 2020, 09:29:15 AM
I'm not a projo by an means but it's clear they are worn out. Not really an excuse but a fact.

True or not, it's a weak excuse from a coach who's team was just embarrassed on the defensive end two games in a row.

The Sultan

Quote from: panda on December 24, 2020, 09:47:06 AM
True or not, it's a weak excuse from a coach who's team was just embarrassed on the defensive end two games in a row.

I guess someone doesn't understand what press conferences are for.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

vogue65

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 24, 2020, 09:44:19 AM

Lol seriously?  "I was young once and didn't get physically tired therefore these guys aren't."

Remember when we had a kinesiology major as a head coach?
I have PMR, look it up.  Went to bed one night and woke up an old man.  Could not get out of bed, could not get dressed.
It took 6 weeks to get a diagnosis, then a pill and 7 hours later 99% function.
Therefore, don't discount the tricks the body can play.
On the PGA tour one week you win, the next you miss the cut.

panda

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 24, 2020, 09:54:45 AM
I guess someone doesn't understand what press conferences are for.

I think a frank assessment of poor performance would go a long ways in earning back some trust with the fan base and light a fire underneath his team.

Instead, "we're tired"

hairy worthen

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 24, 2020, 09:44:19 AM

Lol seriously?  "I was young once and didn't get physically tired therefore these guys aren't."
Ok mr pick a fight obstinate guy. Not sure what you cant understand about my statement. I never said I didnt get tired. Young bodies recover quickly especially athletes. If you were ever young you should know that.

vogue65


hairy worthen

Quote from: vogue65 on December 24, 2020, 10:13:43 AM
Why We Sleep, by Walker, read it.
Nope. Are saying the team doesnt sleep? So you and others think 3 days isn't enough for young bodies to recover. Ok, I disagree.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: hairy worthen on December 24, 2020, 10:20:50 AM
Nope. Are saying the team doesnt sleep? So you and others think 3 days isn't enough for young bodies to recover. Ok, I disagree.

I hate the tired excuse as well but all it takes a tweaked knee or ankle on a few guys that would normally be recovered in the usual time between games. Add the constant travel, it's tough to keep at it, I certainly don't/didn't want to compete when I get off the plane.
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

vogue65

Quote from: hairy worthen on December 24, 2020, 10:20:50 AM
Nope. Are saying the team doesnt sleep? So you and others think 3 days isn't enough for young bodies to recover. Ok, I disagree.

Read the book.
It is eye opening.  Nook $13.99 plus tax, you will never be the same.  Why We Sleep......
I don't get a kickback, ha.

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