General College Basketball Thread 2020-2021

[brewcity77]

I'm not convinced Duke or UNC are all that great this year, but the Big 10 does look legit. Just curbstomping the ACC. Too bad we won't get the Hauserbowl tomorrow.

[CountryRoads]

I'm not convinced Duke or UNC are all that great this year, but the Big 10 does look legit. Just curbstomping the ACC. Too bad we won't get the Hauserbowl tomorrow.

Agreed. I saw Rothstein tweeted that Duke has only lost 6 non-con home games since 1983 (2 in the last week). Pretty amazing number but it could be cupcake city for all I know.

[IrwinFletcher]

Agreed. I saw Rothstein tweeted that Duke has only lost 6 non-con home games since 1983 (2 in the last week). Pretty amazing number but it could be cupcake city for all I know.

Heard this as well and it reminded me of something that I am still too lazy to look up.

This sounds amazing doesn't it. 6 non-con home losses in 37 years years.  But then you think about it.

Duke doesn't do home and homes with other P6 schools because they don't have too ( they have done something with SJU in the past to play at MSG, but that is about it).  They will always get a prime pre-season tourney to bolster their SOS.  They are in the Champions classic often for a marquee game.  And then they always get a top team in the ACC/Big10 challenge.  So during the course of a season, they might have 1 really good team come into their gym with a chance to win a game.

Now, give them credit for never losing to an Omaha or a Maine, but their talent level is always so high, even on a bad night, they will beat the cupcakes.

One of these days I will dig up their schedule and results and see how many legitimate teams come into Cameron with a chance to win.

[MU82]

Northwestern gaks away game vs Pitt in battle of two mediocre-at-best K disciples.

[Silent Verbal]

Northwestern gaks away game vs Pitt in battle of two mediocre-at-best K disciples.

I suppose, but I don't know that Wojo's done a whole lot better.

Capel cut his teeth at VCU, where he had good success, and then guided a Blake Griffin-led Sooners team to a 30 win season and the Elite 8.  He was fired two years later after a bad season and some shady goings on by an assistant coach, but still, an E8 at Marquette would've gotten him the Don Cooper treatment.  He then went back to the soft bubble of Coach K's bench, where he stayed for seven years (kind of a long time for a guy with his experience, but I'd stay that long too if I got six figures for saying "yes" and wearing nice suits on game day).  Now he's at Pitt, where he inherited a team that went 0-18 in conference the year before he got there and has been a complete disaster in the ACC.  He'll probably need a couple more years to turn it around, if he does at all.  *That* is a complete rebuilding project.

Collins got Northwestern to their first Tourney ever and, in the same season, guided them to their first winning conference record in 49 years.  They've fallen off a cliff since then, but they're a crapty program that will always be crapty, due in large part to their higher academic standards and the fact that the student and alumni base don't really seem to give a damn about basketball.

So yes, the body of work for both guys is pretty mediocre with some bright spots mixed in, but I'd say they've both had more success than Wojo given what they've had to work with at their respective programs.  And all that being said, I realize you didn't say Wojo *wasn't* mediocre as well!

[Its DJOver]

Ignoring "shady goings" because of an E8, no wonder you're the kind of guy to take a shot at Wojo in the General College Basketball Thread.

[Silent Verbal]

Ignoring "shady goings" because of an E8, no wonder you're the kind of guy to take a shot at Wojo in the General College Basketball Thread.

For what it's worth, which probably isn't much, Capel wasn't implicated in any of the stuff that happened at Oklahoma, but his last two years there were a disaster and it seems like he lost control of the program.  He did, however, recruit a terrific player in Blake Griffin and capitalized on it while Griffin was there.

I guess what I'm saying is, there's enough data on K's disciples that Jon Scheyer will not be getting a high major coaching job as his first gig.

[Jockey]

Duke and UK were both vastly overrated coming in. I feel like people really didnt look hard at these rosters.

Kansas and UNC both are also not as strong as usual(UNC obviously beter than last years travesty) but Kansas especially is still really quality though.

After Tuesday night, the Duke Blue Devils and Kentucky Wildcats are a combined 3-5 entering the weekend -- with the three wins coming against Bellarmine, Coppin State and Morehead State.

They will get better but will not become great or even close to it.

[Its DJOver]

Doubling down on your ability to ignore "shady goings' because of an E8.  Gotta say, I saw this one coming.

[Billy Hoyle]

After Tuesday night, the Duke Blue Devils and Kentucky Wildcats are a combined 3-5 entering the weekend -- with the three wins coming against Bellarmine, Coppin State and Morehead State.

They will get better but will not become great or even close to it.

I love it. Relying on one and done's caught up to them. The teams beating them are all upperclassman heavy rosters. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

I love it. Relying on one and done's caught up to them. The teams beating them are all upperclassman heavy rosters.

All the jewelry shops, currency exchanges and a strip clubs have been shut down for COVID, hey?

[SaveOD238]

Heard this as well and it reminded me of something that I am still too lazy to look up.

This sounds amazing doesn't it. 6 non-con home losses in 37 years years.  But then you think about it.

Duke doesn't do home and homes with other P6 schools because they don't have too ( they have done something with SJU in the past to play at MSG, but that is about it).  They will always get a prime pre-season tourney to bolster their SOS.  They are in the Champions classic often for a marquee game.  And then they always get a top team in the ACC/Big10 challenge.  So during the course of a season, they might have 1 really good team come into their gym with a chance to win a game.

Now, give them credit for never losing to an Omaha or a Maine, but their talent level is always so high, even on a bad night, they will beat the cupcakes.

One of these days I will dig up their schedule and results and see how many legitimate teams come into Cameron with a chance to win.

You got me curious, so I did the last ten years

2020: Michigan State L, Illinois L
2019: no high majors, but they did lose to Stephen F. Austin
2018: Indiana W
2017: no high majors
2016: Michigan St W
2015: Indiana W
2014: no high majors
2013: Michigan W
2012: Ohio St W
2011: no high majors
2010: St. Johns W

Pretty hard to rack up non-con home losses when you only invite 1 or 0 high quality non-conference foes into your gym each year.

[Jockey]

I love it. Relying on one and done's caught up to them. The teams beating them are all upperclassman heavy rosters.

Yup.

One-and-dones are great when the recruiting class is great. This freshman class doesn't fit that description.

[Uncle Rico]

We're less than a month into a season that was preceded by an abnormal off-season.  I'm not prepared to make any grand pronouncements about any team, good or bad.  Except Seton Hall.  They blow

[Shooter McGavin]

We're less than a month into a season that was preceded by an abnormal off-season.  I'm not prepared to make any grand pronouncements about any team, good or bad.  Except Seton Hall.  They blow

Good points. And you made me laugh regarding SH.

[MU82]

I don't know that Wojo's done a whole lot better.

You're arguing with yourself. I neither said nor implied that Wojo had done any better, let alone a whole lot better.

[Galway Eagle]

Kentucky's remaining non con is against Notre Dame, @UCLA, then against Louisville. Do they win another game in their non conference slate?

[wadesworld]

Kentucky's remaining non con is against Notre Dame, @UCLA, then against Louisville. Do they win another game in their non conference slate?

Yes.

[Galway Eagle]

Yes.

Your prediction?

[Mr. Nielsen]

Notre Dame

[wadesworld]

Your prediction?

Notre Dame would be the one I would predict them to win.  I would predict UCLA and Louisville beat them, but I wouldn't be shocked if Kentucky won either of those.

[Galway Eagle]

Notre Dame would be the one I would predict them to win.  I would predict UCLA and Louisville beat them, but I wouldn't be shocked if Kentucky won either of those.

Interesting. I was just reading an article about how ND looks extremely similar to the teams that Kentucky's already lost to. But if I were a betting man I'd agree that that's the one they'll likely win.

[rocket surgeon]

georgie makin 'nova look stupid so far in 1st half

[rocket surgeon]

georgie makin 'nova look stupid so far in 1st half

turns out, 'nova was just playin with it's food

[naginiF]

https://twitter.com/onlygators/status/1337794028285419521?s=20

Fla Gator Kayontae Johnson collapses on the court and is stretchered off. Yikes! I hope the kid is OK but that's scary (note: I didn't see it just got the tweet in my feed)