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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: shoothoops on November 26, 2020, 09:19:17 AM
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I was curious what UNC would do with two former Marquette recruiting targets, Caleb Love and RJ Davis. Would there be enough basketballs to go around?
They started them both and played them together. (First Frosh backcourt at UNC since 2007). Both did well, 17 pts 4 assists for Love. 11 points 4 boards for Davis. 79-60 over Charleston.
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Illinois are gonna be a major problem this season. That team is no joke.
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Illinois are gonna be a major problem this season. That team is no joke.
Why, because they can pound on sub-300 level teams? They may well be good, but these two wins for them are about as worthwhile as looking at our win last night as a serious measuring stick. Chicago State is one of four teams projected as worse than UAPB.
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Illinois are gonna be a major problem this season. That team is no joke.
I agree with this more than Brew’s opinion on the matter. No disrespect to Brew but Illinois is a team I think will be very good this year
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For the degenerates ... Draft Kings is giving +200 on either Gonzaga or Kansas. Including moneyline if you want the Zags.
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I agree with this more than Brew’s opinion on the matter. No disrespect to Brew but Illinois is a team I think will be very good this year
They've got Baylor and Duke in their next handful of games. All I'm saying is let's wait to see how those go before crowning them.
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For the degenerates ... Draft Kings is giving +200 on either Gonzaga or Kansas. Including moneyline if you want the Zags.
Putting on an offensive show.
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Gonzaga is really really good
And Kansas is hanging in there at half(obviously really good themselves).
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Kispert is an easy guy to dislike.
When did headbands make a comeback? Feels like 2002 all over again.
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Western Kentucky 75 Memphis 69 Final.
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They've got Baylor and Duke in their next handful of games. All I'm saying is let's wait to see how those go before crowning them.
I’m not crowining them. I think they’ll be very good. It’s possible they get blown out the next two games or maybe win them. Still think they’ll be pretty good all year.
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Jalen Suggs is insane
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Yeah. Kansas is on a pace to score in the 90s AND get rolled. Gonzaga is scary.
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Kispert, Timme, and Suggs lighting up the scoreboard for the Zags.
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Jalen Suggs is insane
High lottery pick.
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Western Kentucky 75 Memphis 69 Final.
Western is going to surprise people this year if they stay healthy
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Jalen Suggs is insane
Easily the best player on the court in KU (#6) vs Gonzaga (#1) - in his first college game. Just wow.
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Stat right here from ESPN Stats:
Gonzaga scored 62 points in the paint. Prior to today, KU had not allowed more than 46 points in the paint, in a game, in the past 15 seasons.
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Stat right here from ESPN Stats:
Gonzaga scored 62 points in the paint. Prior to today, KU had not allowed more than 46 points in the paint, in a game, in the past 15 seasons.
Gonzaga is rightfully the #1 team in the country.
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Gonzaga is rightfully the #1 team in the country.
102 points with only 6 made 3’s 😍
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Kispert is an easy guy to dislike.
When did headbands make a comeback? Feels like 2002 all over again.
Seems like an odd reason to dislike a player.
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Bradley is going to be a tough team to play if there is an NCAA tournament this year. Wardle doing a nice job.
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Bradley is going to be a tough team to play if there is an NCAA tournament this year. Wardle doing a nice job.
Agreed. But Xavier does not rebound well. JMHO.
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I was pretty underwhelmed by both teams TBH. Yes, it's early, but there were still a ton of missed open shots and poor rebounding all around. Also a ton of mental breakdowns, up 2, 35 seconds left, and Odom forces an early wild lay-up attempt. Play that correctly and Bradley would have had to go the length of the court with less than 5 seconds. Then on the other end there was that terrible breakdown that allowed a wide open lane to the basket for the game winner. Wojo coached team does either of those and he's being eviscerated on here right now.
Further, Bradley's best offense was when they got the ball to Childs and just let him go to work, and it's not like there were a ton of plays for him, it was mostly just iso's. General consensus here the last few years has been if one starter has as many shot attempts as the rest of the starting 5 combined that starter is being selfish.
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I was pretty underwhelmed by both teams TBH. Yes, it's early, but there were still a ton of missed open shots and poor rebounding all around. Also a ton of mental breakdowns, up 2, 35 seconds left, and Odom forces an early wild lay-up attempt. Play that correctly and Bradley would have had to go the length of the court with less than 5 seconds. Then on the other end there was that terrible breakdown that allowed a wide open lane to the basket for the game winner. Wojo coached team does either of those and he's being eviscerated on here right now.
Further, Bradley's best offense was when they got the ball to Childs and just let him go to work, and it's not like there were a ton of plays for him, it was mostly just iso's. General consensus here the last few years has been if one starter has as many shot attempts as the rest of the starting 5 combined that starter is being selfish.
I would disagree with the “just isos” take on Bradley’s offense. I saw a lot of good ball movement from them. Also - the thing that stuck out to me the most in an impressive way was Bradley’s ability to rebound with Xavier. Either Xavier is a soft team and is going to get outmuscled come BE time or Bradley has a team capable of playing with high major physicality. I’m leaning toward the latter as that would confirm my existing opinion about the job Wardle has done at Bradley.
Either way - I’m glad they’re not on MU’s non-con. Although it’s not like we got anything out of Pine Bluff...
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I agree with this more than Brew’s opinion on the matter. No disrespect to Brew but Illinois is a team I think will be very good this year
With all due respect Agree too, not that Early Season Rankings mean that much necessarily but the Pollsters have Illinois Ranked 8th in the country.
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I would disagree with the “just isos” take on Bradley’s offense. I saw a lot of good ball movement from them. Also - the thing that stuck out to me the most in an impressive way was Bradley’s ability to rebound with Xavier. Either Xavier is a soft team and is going to get outmuscled come BE time or Bradley has a team capable of playing with high major physicality. I’m leaning toward the latter as that would confirm my existing opinion about the job Wardle has done at Bradley.
Either way - I’m glad they’re not on MU’s non-con. Although it’s not like we got anything out of Pine Bluff...
All do respect, this looks like a case of you want Wardle to do well so you overlook some serious flaws (which is fine btw). Giving up 19 offensive boards is not good. Also, only 8 assists on 21 made field goals is pretty below average. That was a ugly sloppy game from both teams, which you would somewhat expect this early in the seaaon.
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Gonzaga has two players out due to COVID protocols, but are still planning to play Auburn today. Sounds like there's more to this story, but not sure why they aren't shutting down when everyone else in the country is taking measures when appropriate.
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Gonzaga has two players out due to COVID protocols, but are still planning to play Auburn today. Sounds like there's more to this story, but not sure why they aren't shutting down when everyone else in the country is taking measures when appropriate.
Plot thickens:
https://twitter.com/BrennaGreene_/status/1332345714047733767?s=19
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All do respect, this looks like a case of you want Wardle to do well so you overlook some serious flaws (which is fine btw). Giving up 19 offensive boards is not good. Also, only 8 assists on 21 made field goals is pretty below average. That was a ugly sloppy game from both teams, which you would somewhat expect this early in the seaaon.
Yes Bradley gave up 19 offensive rebounds, but they had 16 offensive rebounds of their own. Total rebounds went 47-40 in favor of X... I think that can be classified as rebounded “with Xavier”.
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I'm aware of the stats, and fully stand by my statement that it was an ugly early season game where neither team looked very good.
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NOt sure this Gonzaga/Auburn game really needed to be played.
This is looks almost as lopsided as our game vs Pine Bluff.
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Xavier is only outrebounding Toledo by 3 at the half. I guess Toledo, too, has that high major toughness and we should be thankful not to see them on our non-con schedule.
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Xavier is only outrebounding Toledo by 3 at the half. I guess Toledo, too, has that high major toughness and we should be thankful not to see them on our non-con schedule.
If you actually read my post I said it’s also possible Xavier is just a soft team. That possibility remains valid.
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Was our game always on FS1? I thought it was on FS2(which I don't have) but I see its on FS1 now.
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Was our game always on FS1? I thought it was on FS2(which I don't have) but I see its on FS1 now.
I think it was switched to FS1 a few days ago.
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Was our game always on FS1? I thought it was on FS2(which I don't have) but I see its on FS1 now.
It got switched from FS2 to FS1 when the 8pm San Diego State/Fresno State football game on FS1 got canceled.
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It got switched from FS2 to FS1 when the 8pm, San Diego State/Fresno State football game got canceled.
Oh great. Benefits me.
I was expecting to have to scour reddit for some help
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Virginia on the ropes!!
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Sam missed the game winner.
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Maybe thats why Markus didn't pass at the Garden!
Just hate to see it.....
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Go Dons!
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Sam wide open too.
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Sam who?
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Sam will have a great season but should have made that shot
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Virginia sucks
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Being on either side of this..."debate"...is not a great look.
Here's hoping the Hausers walking the tightrope between average and very good so that they we don't have to get constant updates all season from either side about how they are doing
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Dead to me.
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Being on either side of this..."debate"...is not a great look.
Here's hoping the Hausers walking the tightrope between average and very good so that they we don't have to get constant updates all season from either side about how they are doing
Wait, so we shouldn't update when number 4 in the country goes down to a WCC team not named Gonzaga?
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Dead to me.
Yessir.
I don't care that he missed. I wouldn't have cared if he had made. And I have no plans to even open the Hauser thread on the Superbar (while appreciating that it was put there instead of here).
But I do have to admit that I chuckled when I read ...
Maybe thats why Markus didn't pass at the Garden!
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Sam wide open too.
Didn’t even look to pass.
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Wait, so we shouldn't update when number 4 in the country goes down to a WCC team not named Gonzaga?
Not everything is about you PGs. There are several posts after yours about a specific player on number 4 in the country, not too mention an entire thread dedicated to him and his brother in the superbar.
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Not everything is about you PGs. There are several posts after yours about a specific player on number 4 in the country, not too mention an entire thread dedicated to him and his brother in the superbar.
Right, because I said this was all about me lol.
The point is #4 team in the country lost and Sam Hauser is the guy who missed the last shot. Thats just proper reporting.
Now, if Virginia loses to Duke by 7 and it turns into a Sam thread because he had a slightly bad game shooting 5/14 with 5 rebounds. Then yeah, that would be a bit much.
This is a general college basketball thread. Sam, Joey and their teams are going to come up a bit. They are on nationally relevant squads.
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Didn’t even look to pass.
Are you going for stupid post of the year? Caught it with an open look and about 3 seconds left. I mean, just say you hate him for his audacity to bolt on MU.
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Back on topic...
Ohio giving Illinois every thing they can handle through 25 minutes so far.
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Ohio leading #8 Illinois 49-41 on BTN.
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Ohio leading #8 Illinois 49-41 on BTN.
Win or lose, safe to say the Illini's 55-point wins over sub-300 teams weren't great indicators of their quality.
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Are you going for stupid post of the year? Caught it with an open look and about 3 seconds left. I mean, just say you hate him for his audacity to bolt on MU.
pretty sure it was sarcasm
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Are you going for stupid post of the year? Caught it with an open look and about 3 seconds left. I mean, just say you hate him for his audacity to bolt on MU.
Easy chum
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This Preston kid on Ohio is really fu cking good
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This Preston kid on Ohio is really fu cking good
Yes he is!
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What a back story. Good game. Tough loss for Ohio.
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Unfortunately for Ohio, so is Dosunmu
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Unfortunately for Ohio, so is Dosunmu
That was some terrible final possession defense from Ohio. I mean, Ayo is fast but they never stopped ball.
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That was some terrible final possession defense from Ohio. I mean, Ayo is fast but they never stopped ball.
Oh yeah that was brutal, but to be honest kinda expected. You just knew he was gonna blow by them. But yeah they def needed more ball pressure early.
The foul actually slightly helped them because Cockburn had the easy put back since everyone went after Ayo.
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We can all agree that there’s no way Cockburn is pronounced Co-Burn, right?
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That was some terrible final possession defense from Ohio. I mean, Ayo is fast but they never stopped ball.
Looked like Vander against SJU and Davidson.
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We can all agree that there’s no way Cockburn is pronounced Co-Burn, right?
The ports are
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Illinois are gonna be a major problem this season. That team is no joke.
As a fan of Illinois, I have to say this post didn't age well.
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As a fan of Illinois, I have to say this post didn't age well.
Why? Because of one game? Virginia isn’t bad because they lost to San Francisco
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Why? Because of one game? Virginia isn’t bad because they lost to San Francisco
I think the original post was prompted by one game. It cuts both ways.
I hope UofI is good this year but it's too early to make statements like that.
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Iowa better hope Garza stays healthy. And they don’t lose any other starters. Cause they look really good, but their second group absolutely stinks.
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Favored by 37 1/2 points, Duke beats Coppin St by 10.
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Favored by 37 1/2 points, Duke beats Coppin St by 10.
Jalen Johnson was perfect from the field 8/8 FGs 1/1 3PT and 2/2 from line with 19 boards, 5 assists and 4 blocks.
He did have 7 turn overs though. Even the best of the best turn it over early in the season.
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Seems like an odd reason to dislike a player.
Not the reason I dislike him. Those were two separate thoughts. The headbands are everywhere in this Kentucky/Richmond game. There were a bunch in the Baylor/Kansas game. Another game I was watching had a bunch as well (can’t remember who, though). I just can’t remember there being headbands like this in basketball for decades.
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Richmond leads #10 Kentucky by 12. 4:26 left on ESPN.
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Not the reason I dislike him. Those were two separate thoughts. The headbands are everywhere in this Kentucky/Richmond game. There were a bunch in the Baylor/Kansas game. Another game I was watching had a bunch as well (can’t remember who, though). I just can’t remember there being headbands like this in basketball for decades.
MOAR HEADBANDS!!!
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Coach Cal getting rolled is always a good thing
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Cal taking timeouts and having his team continue to foul down 14 under 30 seconds left ::) . Kentucky kid chirping at the Richmond guard that’s been lighting them up all day at the free throw line.
Loved that Askew was a Youtube sensation with all his videos flexing on and trash talking kids whose basketball careers were ending at the high school level and he played terrible today. Welcome to college ball kid.
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Kentucky dominated the boards but didn’t make a single 3 and missed 13 free throws, shooting 61% from the line
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Kentucky dominated the boards but didn’t make a single 3 and missed 13 free throws, shooting 61% from the line
LOL plus 23 in rebounds. Crazy
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Wow. In this era, it's hard to go an entire game without making a single 3.
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A team of 1-and dones is not the answer unless you have a true superstar among them. An AD or Zion type player.
No lottery pick for Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, or Arizona in the just completed draft. These teams need superstars to win it all - even with a roster full of McD players. Veteran teams with better x-and-o coaches can handle them.
Kentucky will finish above .500 in the SEC, but are no threat to advance far in the tournament. They just are not that good.
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A-10 will have good teams again this year. Veterans with size who have been through the wars.
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Coach Cal getting rolled is always a good thing
+1
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Cal taking timeouts and having his team continue to foul down 14 under 30 seconds left ::) . Kentucky kid chirping at the Richmond guard that’s been lighting them up all day at the free throw line.
Loved that Askew was a Youtube sensation with all his videos flexing on and trash talking kids whose basketball careers were ending at the high school level and he played terrible today. Welcome to college ball kid.
Was he really? That's amazing. That's how I feel about Mikey Williams. Dudes not even rated the top player in his class and he's already sitting on a throne like he's the next greatest sensation.
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+1
Turned it on just to watch and revel in the last 3 minutes.
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A team of 1-and dones is not the answer unless you have a true superstar among them. An AD or Zion type player.
No lottery pick for Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, or Arizona in the just completed draft. These teams need superstars to win it all - even with a roster full of McD players. Veteran teams with better x-and-o coaches can handle them.
Kentucky will finish above .500 in the SEC, but are no threat to advance far in the tournament. They just are not that good.
Boston is pretty damn legit for UK. But yeah, overall this is not on paper as strong as most of UK's rosters. Same can be said for a lot of the blue bloods this year.
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I think Kentucky will be fine. They lost to a senior-laden team that won 24 games a year ago. Cal has taken these kinds of losses before and tends to have his teams playing their best basketball in February and March. No reason to think they aren't still a top team in the SEC and legit Final Four contender.
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Probably. Still fun.
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I think Kentucky will be fine. They lost to a senior-laden team that won 24 games a year ago. Cal has taken these kinds of losses before and tends to have his teams playing their best basketball in February and March. No reason to think they aren't still a top team in the SEC and legit Final Four contender.
Is this a deep class? I mean we've also seen his entire team of future draft picks go to the NIT or get bounced as a 4 seed in the second round.
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Richmond is better than Kentucky this season
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Turned it on just to watch and revel in the last 3 minutes.
Cal + UK fans= an absolutely insufferable combo. Bonus points for them losing at Rupp. I lived in Richmond for 21 years so add another "love it!" to the pile.
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Is this a deep class? I mean we've also seen his entire team of future draft picks go to the NIT or get bounced as a 4 seed in the second round.
The NIT team was because of Nerlens Noel getting hurt, they were top-20 and 17-6 before his injury. And 4-seeds getting bounced in the second round by 5-seeds isn't hugely newsworthy.
In the last 10 NCAA tournaments, Kentucky has 1 Championship, 1 Runner-up, 2 Final Fours, 3 Elite Eights, 1 Sweet Sixteen, 1 Second Round, & 1 miss. I think just about any program would take 90% seasons with a tourney win and 70% seasons with an Elite Eight, but maybe that's just me.
Safe to say, Cal is one of the best in the business at peaking in March and has earned the occasional November disappointment.
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The NIT team was because of Nerlens Noel getting hurt, they were top-20 and 17-6 before his injury. And 4-seeds getting bounced in the second round by 5-seeds isn't hugely newsworthy.
In the last 10 NCAA tournaments, Kentucky has 1 Championship, 1 Runner-up, 2 Final Fours, 3 Elite Eights, 1 Sweet Sixteen, 1 Second Round, & 1 miss. I think just about any program would take 90% seasons with a tourney win and 70% seasons with an Elite Eight, but maybe that's just me.
Safe to say, Cal is one of the best in the business at peaking in March and has earned the occasional November disappointment.
Didn't realize they were that good before Noel nor that Indiana was a 5 was probably too focused on UK getting bounced.
I agree that anyone would take UK's status in a heartbeat except for maybe Nova that's won twice. Just thought Cal had a couple seasons where the players didn't mesh.
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A-10 will have good teams again this year. Veterans with size who have been through the wars.
This week:
Richmond over Kentucky.
SLU over LSU
VCU over Memphis and Utah State
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The NIT team was because of Nerlens Noel getting hurt, they were top-20 and 17-6 before his injury. And 4-seeds getting bounced in the second round by 5-seeds isn't hugely newsworthy.
In the last 10 NCAA tournaments, Kentucky has 1 Championship, 1 Runner-up, 2 Final Fours, 3 Elite Eights, 1 Sweet Sixteen, 1 Second Round, & 1 miss. I think just about any program would take 90% seasons with a tourney win and 70% seasons with an Elite Eight, but maybe that's just me.
Safe to say, Cal is one of the best in the business at peaking in March and has earned the occasional November disappointment.
And I'd argue Kentucky underachieved. Cal was great at accumulating talent, but only one title to show for it.
Not sure how much he coached them up.
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In other news, Murray State is up 173-96 on Greenville with a couple seconds left to play.
This appears to be a real score. I don't know who Greenville is.
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In other news, Murray State is up 173-96 on Greenville with a couple seconds left to play.
This appears to be a real score. I don't know who Greenville is.
Gtreenville, IL is a small D-3 school in Southern Illinois. They do this every game.
https://www.thetelegraph.com/sports/article/200-POINTS-Plenty-of-NCAA-records-fall-in-13588064.php
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Being on either side of this..."debate"...is not a great look.
Here's hoping the Hausers walking the tightrope between average and very good so that they we don't have to get constant updates all season from either side about how they are doing
Malcontent Sam and Joey Turnover?
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pretty sure it was sarcasm
And you would be right. Jeez, I really didn't think I would have to put that in teal.
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Vanderbilt men's hoops on pause after a positive Covid test. They will miss the Legends Classic.
https://www.wkrn.com/community/health/coronavirus/vanderbilt-mens-basketball-activities-paused-due-to-positive-covid-19-test/
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MOAR HEADBANDS!!!
soaked in covid repellent
How do the vermin attract such a high ranking? I mean, what do we have to go on here? I see they whooped on Arkansas pine bluff the day after we softened them up for them
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soaked in covid repellent
How do the vermin attract such a high ranking? I mean, what do we have to go on here? I see they whooped on Arkansas pine bluff the day after we softened them up for them
Eh - just makes it better when we beat ‘em.
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That Suggs injury was not good for college basketball
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brutal for the carrer. idk if seriis
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That Suggs injury was not good for college basketball
Sounds like it might just be an ankle injury and not the achilles after all. That would be huge.
Kinda figured even tho it looked bad for achilles, they left him on the bench and had him walking around on it. THat aint happening if you think the achilles is trashed.
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I thought the ESPN app was broke when I saw the Greenville/Illinois State score. I for sure thought it was broke when I looked at the box score.
Holy $hit.
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I thought the ESPN app was broke when I saw the Greenville/Illinois State score. I for sure thought it was broke when I looked at the box score.
Holy $hit.
THats the norm with Greenville....
D3 team.
Murray state beat em 173-95 the other day
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At the under 8:00 timeout remaining in the game.
The Tarleton State Texans, of Stephenville, Texas, in their first season of D-1 Ball, coached by Billy Gillispie, trail Texas A&M 47-46. SEC Network.
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THats the norm with Greenville....
D3 team.
Murray state beat em 173-95 the other day
Maybe, but Ill St shot 86.4% for the game. That's pretty good even if it was an unguarded practice.
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Maybe, but Ill St shot 86.4% for the game. That's pretty good even if it was an unguarded practice.
That's "Hoosiers" good. Musta run the picket fence play a lot!
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Maybe, but Ill St shot 86.4% for the game. That's pretty good even if it was an unguarded practice.
Yeah Murray State was 73% on like 105 field goal attempts and 80 rebounds.
I have no idea why teams are playing Greenville lol.
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Baylor v Gonzaga is gonna be a blast
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Thought I was watching a repeat of the Marquette game tonight.
Lotta dribbling at the top of the key for Illinois.
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Baylor v Gonzaga is gonna be a blast
Just postponed.
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Just postponed.
Crazy season. Called less than 2 hours before tip. Yikes!
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Ok State losing to horrendous Oakland right now is........not ideal.
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Ok State losing to horrendous Oakland right now is........not ideal.
Pulled it out the final 10 min
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Water off a ducks ass..
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In D1 today:
47 games played
34 games postponed or canceled
Enjoy every game....
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In D1 today:
47 games played
34 games postponed or canceled
Enjoy every game....
You got that right.
Fortunately, as a Marquette fan, I REALLY enjoyed the most recent one!
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In D1 today:
47 games played
34 games postponed or canceled
Enjoy every game....
The lack of non-con games played means every high-major game is that much more important for NCAA bids. This could really hurt the Big East come March.
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Crazy season. Called less than 2 hours before tip. Yikes!
Classy statement put out by Mark Few and Scott Drew:
“We’re disappointed to not be able to play one of the most anticipated games of the season, but we are following the advice of public health officials. ... There are much greater issues in this world than not being able to play a basketball game, so we’re going to continue praying for everyone who has been affected by this pandemic.”
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They will get better as the year goes on.
But UK is legitamately not a good team right now.
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In D1 today:
47 games played
34 games postponed or canceled
Enjoy every game....
I saw 25 cancelled. Yet, others rescheduled games and did play over the weekend. Yes, enjoy every game. ;)
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I saw 25 cancelled. Yet, others rescheduled games and did play over the weekend. Yes, enjoy every game. ;)
I am basing my numbers on the scoreboard at TheScore. If you look at that from yesterday, you will see a total of 34 games listed as ‘postponed’ or ‘canceled.’ Yes, some teams have juggled things around so they played another opponent, but this does not change the fact that a huge number of games continue to be disrupted in some manner.
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I am basing my numbers on the scoreboard at TheScore. If you look at that from yesterday, you will see a total of 34 games listed as ‘postponed’ or ‘canceled.’ Yes, some teams have juggled things around so they played another opponent, but this does not change the fact that a huge number of games continue to be disrupted in some manner.
Humm.. I saw 25 on ESPN. 22 on CBS.
Edit: Just downloaded the Score app. I see the count of 35. Many were rescheduled.
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Ohio went on a 40-0 scoring run, spanning halftime, to set a NCAA record for a game involving two Division I men's basketball teams, and the Bobcats beat Cleveland State 101-46 on Sunday.
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Kentucky has started 1 - 3. Its worst start since 2001.
Looks like they are imploding
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Kentucky has started 1 - 3. Its worst start since 2001.
Looks like they are imploding
Did they have to pause at all due to Covid?
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Kentucky has started 1 - 3. Its worst start since 2001.
Looks like they are imploding
They have nothing close to a superstar. When you recruit one-and-dones you better have on cuz you got a ton of young guys. They will get a bit better as the season goes on, but are no title threat whatsoever.
They are gonna find our what happens with a young team without a PG.
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Did they have to pause at all due to Covid?
No, but a game was postponed and rescheduled when a staff member from Detroit tested positive.
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They are gonna find our what happens with a young team without a PG.
I think they need to go to Davion Mintz as their lead guard. He's no superstar, but he can run an offense without hemorrhaging turnovers.
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Ohio U beat Cleveland State 101-46
Ohio set a new D1 record by scoring 40 consecutive points before Cleveland State scored again.
With 1:41 left in the first half, Ohio led 46-26. The next time the Cleveland State scored, they were trailing 86-28 at the 8:03 mark in the second half.
https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/ohio-university-hoops-sets-d-1-record-with-dominant-stretch-vs-cleveland-state/
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I think they need to go to Davion Mintz as their lead guard. He's no superstar, but he can run an offense without hemorrhaging turnovers.
I agree. I think it would steady the offense a little bit.
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Ohio U beat Cleveland State 101-46
Ohio set a new D1 record by scoring 40 consecutive points before Cleveland State scored again.
With 1:41 left in the first half, Ohio led 46-26. The next time the Cleveland State scored, they were trailing 86-28 at the 8:03 mark in the second half.
https://saturdaytradition.com/big-ten-football/ohio-university-hoops-sets-d-1-record-with-dominant-stretch-vs-cleveland-state/
Thanks. Mr. Nielsen shared this two days ago slightly above your post.
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I think they need to go to Davion Mintz as their lead guard. He's no superstar, but he can run an offense without hemorrhaging turnovers.
So basically Derrick Wilson....
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Great. Ners is now creating a new identity. Thanks a lot.
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So basically Derrick Wilson....
Mintz is a little bit better shooter and more of an offensive threat, but not a bad comp. And a hell of a lot better than Devin Askew, who's turning it over on more than 40% of his possessions.
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Great. Ners is now creating a new identity. Thanks a lot.
:D
FWIW, I was a supporter of Derrick to the bitter end.
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Derrick was a starter under Buzz, Wojo, and Joe Chapman (who some want to get into college coaching). Played well for the TBT team. He's a hound on defense.
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Derrick was a starter under Buzz, Wojo, and Joe Chapman (who some want to get into college coaching). Played well for the TBT team. He's a hound on defense.
Derrick was never meant to be a starter, he was brought in for his defense and for depth and was a high character guy. Even his AAU coach was surprised when he got an offer from MU. I don't fault Derrick for anything he did on the court.
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Purdue and blowing huge leads with terrible second halfs in their inter-conference early season match-up, name a more iconic duo.
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I love watching UNC’s transition game. Even when they stink, they still push the pace with the pass up the court.
Sadly, Tom Crean had seemingly never seen a single second of tape of Roy’s team doing that as of very early April 2003.
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Purdue and blowing huge leads with terrible second halfs in their inter-conference early season match-up, name a more iconic duo.
They are AWFUL. They were terrible against Clemson. Needed a late push to sneak by Valpo, and now this.
In other B10 news, Iowa is REALLY fun. They will have games where they go cold, to be sure, but they are gorgeous to watch when they are hot
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Kansas State lost to D-II Fort Hays State by 13 at home. Fort Hays State was previously 0-3, losing all 3 games to other D-II opponents. Yikes..
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Turns out the giant win Joey Hauser “led” Michigan State to at Duke might just be a win over one of K’s worst Duke teams ever. But at least it was the first win ever for MSU at Duke. Because they play there all the time, of course. Not many monkeys left on Izzo’s back, but a win at Duke was one Izzo fan thank Joey for.
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Turns out the giant win Joey Hauser “led” Michigan State to at Duke might just be a win over one of K’s worst Duke teams ever. But at least it was the first win ever for MSU at Duke. Because they play there all the time, of course. Not many monkeys left on Izzo’s back, but a win at Duke was one Izzo fan thank Joey for.
Duke and UK were both vastly overrated coming in. I feel like people really didnt look hard at these rosters.
Kansas and UNC both are also not as strong as usual(UNC obviously beter than last years travesty) but Kansas especially is still really quality though.
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Damn sam vs joey canceled tomorrow.
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I'm not convinced Duke or UNC are all that great this year, but the Big 10 does look legit. Just curbstomping the ACC. Too bad we won't get the Hauserbowl tomorrow.
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I'm not convinced Duke or UNC are all that great this year, but the Big 10 does look legit. Just curbstomping the ACC. Too bad we won't get the Hauserbowl tomorrow.
Agreed. I saw Rothstein tweeted that Duke has only lost 6 non-con home games since 1983 (2 in the last week). Pretty amazing number but it could be cupcake city for all I know.
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Agreed. I saw Rothstein tweeted that Duke has only lost 6 non-con home games since 1983 (2 in the last week). Pretty amazing number but it could be cupcake city for all I know.
Heard this as well and it reminded me of something that I am still too lazy to look up.
This sounds amazing doesn't it. 6 non-con home losses in 37 years years. But then you think about it.
Duke doesn't do home and homes with other P6 schools because they don't have too ( they have done something with SJU in the past to play at MSG, but that is about it). They will always get a prime pre-season tourney to bolster their SOS. They are in the Champions classic often for a marquee game. And then they always get a top team in the ACC/Big10 challenge. So during the course of a season, they might have 1 really good team come into their gym with a chance to win a game.
Now, give them credit for never losing to an Omaha or a Maine, but their talent level is always so high, even on a bad night, they will beat the cupcakes.
One of these days I will dig up their schedule and results and see how many legitimate teams come into Cameron with a chance to win.
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Northwestern gaks away game vs Pitt in battle of two mediocre-at-best K disciples.
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Northwestern gaks away game vs Pitt in battle of two mediocre-at-best K disciples.
I suppose, but I don’t know that Wojo’s done a whole lot better.
Capel cut his teeth at VCU, where he had good success, and then guided a Blake Griffin-led Sooners team to a 30 win season and the Elite 8. He was fired two years later after a bad season and some shady goings on by an assistant coach, but still, an E8 at Marquette would’ve gotten him the Don Cooper treatment. He then went back to the soft bubble of Coach K’s bench, where he stayed for seven years (kind of a long time for a guy with his experience, but I’d stay that long too if I got six figures for saying “yes” and wearing nice suits on game day). Now he’s at Pitt, where he inherited a team that went 0-18 in conference the year before he got there and has been a complete disaster in the ACC. He’ll probably need a couple more years to turn it around, if he does at all. *That* is a complete rebuilding project.
Collins got Northwestern to their first Tourney ever and, in the same season, guided them to their first winning conference record in 49 years. They’ve fallen off a cliff since then, but they’re a crapty program that will always be crapty, due in large part to their higher academic standards and the fact that the student and alumni base don’t really seem to give a damn about basketball.
So yes, the body of work for both guys is pretty mediocre with some bright spots mixed in, but I’d say they’ve both had more success than Wojo given what they’ve had to work with at their respective programs. And all that being said, I realize you didn’t say Wojo *wasn’t* mediocre as well!
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Ignoring "shady goings" because of an E8, no wonder you're the kind of guy to take a shot at Wojo in the General College Basketball Thread.
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Ignoring "shady goings" because of an E8, no wonder you're the kind of guy to take a shot at Wojo in the General College Basketball Thread.
For what it’s worth, which probably isn’t much, Capel wasn’t implicated in any of the stuff that happened at Oklahoma, but his last two years there were a disaster and it seems like he lost control of the program. He did, however, recruit a terrific player in Blake Griffin and capitalized on it while Griffin was there.
I guess what I’m saying is, there’s enough data on K’s disciples that Jon Scheyer will not be getting a high major coaching job as his first gig.
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Duke and UK were both vastly overrated coming in. I feel like people really didnt look hard at these rosters.
Kansas and UNC both are also not as strong as usual(UNC obviously beter than last years travesty) but Kansas especially is still really quality though.
After Tuesday night, the Duke Blue Devils and Kentucky Wildcats are a combined 3-5 entering the weekend -- with the three wins coming against Bellarmine, Coppin State and Morehead State.
They will get better but will not become great or even close to it.
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Doubling down on your ability to ignore "shady goings' because of an E8. Gotta say, I saw this one coming.
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After Tuesday night, the Duke Blue Devils and Kentucky Wildcats are a combined 3-5 entering the weekend -- with the three wins coming against Bellarmine, Coppin State and Morehead State.
They will get better but will not become great or even close to it.
I love it. Relying on one and done's caught up to them. The teams beating them are all upperclassman heavy rosters.
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I love it. Relying on one and done's caught up to them. The teams beating them are all upperclassman heavy rosters.
All the jewelry shops, currency exchanges and a strip clubs have been shut down for COVID, hey?
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Heard this as well and it reminded me of something that I am still too lazy to look up.
This sounds amazing doesn't it. 6 non-con home losses in 37 years years. But then you think about it.
Duke doesn't do home and homes with other P6 schools because they don't have too ( they have done something with SJU in the past to play at MSG, but that is about it). They will always get a prime pre-season tourney to bolster their SOS. They are in the Champions classic often for a marquee game. And then they always get a top team in the ACC/Big10 challenge. So during the course of a season, they might have 1 really good team come into their gym with a chance to win a game.
Now, give them credit for never losing to an Omaha or a Maine, but their talent level is always so high, even on a bad night, they will beat the cupcakes.
One of these days I will dig up their schedule and results and see how many legitimate teams come into Cameron with a chance to win.
You got me curious, so I did the last ten years
2020: Michigan State L, Illinois L
2019: no high majors, but they did lose to Stephen F. Austin
2018: Indiana W
2017: no high majors
2016: Michigan St W
2015: Indiana W
2014: no high majors
2013: Michigan W
2012: Ohio St W
2011: no high majors
2010: St. Johns W
Pretty hard to rack up non-con home losses when you only invite 1 or 0 high quality non-conference foes into your gym each year.
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I love it. Relying on one and done's caught up to them. The teams beating them are all upperclassman heavy rosters.
Yup.
One-and-dones are great when the recruiting class is great. This freshman class doesn’t fit that description.
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We’re less than a month into a season that was preceded by an abnormal off-season. I’m not prepared to make any grand pronouncements about any team, good or bad. Except Seton Hall. They blow
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We’re less than a month into a season that was preceded by an abnormal off-season. I’m not prepared to make any grand pronouncements about any team, good or bad. Except Seton Hall. They blow
Good points. And you made me laugh regarding SH.
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I don’t know that Wojo’s done a whole lot better.
You're arguing with yourself. I neither said nor implied that Wojo had done any better, let alone a whole lot better.
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Kentucky's remaining non con is against Notre Dame, @UCLA, then against Louisville. Do they win another game in their non conference slate?
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Kentucky's remaining non con is against Notre Dame, @UCLA, then against Louisville. Do they win another game in their non conference slate?
Yes.
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Yes.
Your prediction?
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Notre Dame
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Your prediction?
Notre Dame would be the one I would predict them to win. I would predict UCLA and Louisville beat them, but I wouldn't be shocked if Kentucky won either of those.
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Notre Dame would be the one I would predict them to win. I would predict UCLA and Louisville beat them, but I wouldn't be shocked if Kentucky won either of those.
Interesting. I was just reading an article about how ND looks extremely similar to the teams that Kentucky's already lost to. But if I were a betting man I'd agree that that's the one they'll likely win.
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georgie makin 'nova look stupid so far in 1st half
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georgie makin 'nova look stupid so far in 1st half
turns out, 'nova was just playin with it's food
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https://twitter.com/onlygators/status/1337794028285419521?s=20 (https://twitter.com/onlygators/status/1337794028285419521?s=20)
Fla Gator Kayontae Johnson collapses on the court and is stretchered off. Yikes! I hope the kid is OK but that's scary (note: I didn't see it just got the tweet in my feed)
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https://twitter.com/onlygators/status/1337794028285419521?s=20 (https://twitter.com/onlygators/status/1337794028285419521?s=20)
Fla Gator Kayontae Johnson collapses on the court and is stretchered off. Yikes! I hope the kid is OK but that's scary (note: I didn't see it just got the tweet in my feed)
Wow. Apparently in the hospital now. Critical but stable condition. Still scary.
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Kentucky is absolutely horrendous.
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https://twitter.com/onlygators/status/1337794028285419521?s=20 (https://twitter.com/onlygators/status/1337794028285419521?s=20)
Fla Gator Kayontae Johnson collapses on the court and is stretchered off. Yikes! I hope the kid is OK but that's scary (note: I didn't see it just got the tweet in my feed)
Absolutely ridiculous that they continued the game. Was Vince McMahon making the decision?
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Absolutely ridiculous that they continued the game. Was Vince McMahon making the decision?
totally agree
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Absolutely ridiculous that they continued the game. Was Vince McMahon making the decision?
Scary moment. Early reports are saying that he was one of the players who recently tested positive for COVID-19. If the doctors are able to identify a link to that, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the season (and all sports) shut down again.
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Kentucky is absolutely horrendous.
ND is equally horrendous and UK has 1 last shot to complete a 22 point comeback
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Scary moment. Early reports are saying that he was one of the players who recently tested positive for COVID-19. If the doctors are able to identify a link to that, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the season (and all sports) shut down again.
MU’s Charles Pierce reporting that on Twitter. I hope donors are ready to step up for the settlement they’ll have to pay out.
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MU’s Charles Pierce reporting that on Twitter. I hope donors are ready to step up for the settlement they’ll have to pay out.
If they did the heart monitoring and cleared him legitimately, I don’t know where the negligence would be.
Also they have insurance.
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If they did the heart monitoring and cleared him legitimately, I don’t know where the negligence would be.
Also they have insurance.
It depends on the type of monitoring. I was on a call with team doctors over the summer who said the normal EKG most departments use won’t pick up Myocarditis.
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Scary moment. Early reports are saying that he was one of the players who recently tested positive for COVID-19. If the doctors are able to identify a link to that, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the season (and all sports) shut down again.
Yep. Especially if UF did all 'required' testing and still didn't detect any abnormality.
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It depends on the type of monitoring. I was on a call with team doctors over the summer who said the normal EKG most departments use won’t pick up Myocarditis.
Yep. And depending on the patient, you may need to do far more than just an ECG to detect myocarditis.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocarditis/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20352544
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It depends on the type of monitoring. I was on a call with team doctors over the summer who said the normal EKG most departments use won’t pick up Myocarditis.
That’s not the point. Liability doesn’t require you to do everything you can possibly do. It requires you to do what is reasonable.
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Notre Dame would be the one I would predict them to win. I would predict UCLA and Louisville beat them, but I wouldn't be shocked if Kentucky won either of those.
One down two to go.
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That’s not the point. Liability doesn’t require you to do everything you can possibly do. It requires you to do what is reasonable.
Correct. And the question of reasonableness will likely depend on how the screening done on Johnson compares to that typically done at other institutions or in other conferences.
I don't know what screening they did, but the article below from August indicates that schools and conferences are all over the map on the recommended screening...and that many require far more than just an ECG. It also states that 'multiple attempts to reach members of the SEC's medical advisory task force were unsuccessful or they declined to comment.' If UF and/or the SEC fall on the more lenient end of the spectrum, they could have liability issues.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29633697/heart-condition-linked-covid-19-fuels-power-5-concern-season-viability
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One down two to go.
Yeah I definitely did not see ND getting out to a 22 point lead. I would now be shocked if they won either the UCLA or Louisville game. They are very bad. And UCLA is better than I expected them to be.
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Such a bad flagrant one call at the end of that Mizzou/Illinois game.
Player from Mizzou basically slaps himself in the face with Cockburn’s hand and Cockburn gets a flagrant called on him. It was awful.
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Illinois got a lot of potential by years end.
But that team is basically Ayo and a bunch of mehhhhhhh. And they defend like hot garbage.
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I have been thinking about the Keyontae Johnson story non stop since it happened (my wife saw if mentioned on Twitter within minutes of it happening).
I keep refreshing Twitter. I have unfortunately seen the video. The updates from Florida disturbingly vague. I really hope I am wrong but I fear the worst.
It’s so sad.
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I have been thinking about the Keyontae Johnson story non stop since it happened (my wife saw if mentioned on Twitter within minutes of it happening).
I keep refreshing Twitter. I have unfortunately seen the video. The updates from Florida disturbingly vague. I really hope I am wrong but I fear the worst.
It’s so sad.
It is very sad. The moment I heard about it, my mind said 'Hank Gathers.' Hopefully this has a much better outcome.
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I have been thinking about the Keyontae Johnson story non stop since it happened (my wife saw if mentioned on Twitter within minutes of it happening).
I keep refreshing Twitter. I have unfortunately seen the video. The updates from Florida disturbingly vague. I really hope I am wrong but I fear the worst.
It’s so sad.
now in a medically induced coma.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/sec/2020/12/14/florida-keyontae-johnson-medically-induced-coma-collapse/6545308002/
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Praying for a miracle for Keyonte .
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According to the UF Twitter account, Johnson has been transferred to a hospital in Gainesville, is still in critical condition, but is following simple commands. Would seem they used the medically induced coma to transport him & he is now out of it.
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Following simple commands is a great update. They had been so radio silent I was fearing the worst. Lets hope positive signs continue.
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According to the UF Twitter account, Johnson has been transferred to a hospital in Gainesville, is still in critical condition, but is following simple commands. Would seem they used the medically induced coma to transport him & he is now out of it.
Comas are commonly induced by propofol, which is very fast to act, and to reverse. My doc once used the (very simplistic) analogy of a light switch. In surgery, the allows anesthesiologists to wake patients up quickly post-op. In the induced coma setting, it allows docs to quickly assess status before putting the patient back under.
Bottom line: it is quite possible that he is still in the coma, even though they determined he is able to respond to commands. This may have been done to assess his post-transport status, and to give his new docs a baseline to assess future developments.
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We had someone collapse while playing pickup about 2.5 years ago. Luckily there was an AED and we were able to use it. Took two shocks to get his heartbeat back. Thankfully, after open heart surgery, he has been able to get back into the court with us.
I have no interest in seeing the video of him collapsing. Terrifying.
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Following simple commands is a great update. They had been so radio silent I was fearing the worst. Lets hope positive signs continue.
Stable and FaceTimed the team today. Great news for the college hoops community.
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Stable and FaceTimed the team today. Great news for the college hoops community.
That is great news!
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Thank goodness.
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Loyola Chicago tied in the second half against Bucky.
I really hate Bucky, I cannot tell you how much I hate the Badgers. I don't want them to lose, I want them to be humiliated.
That said, we beat them. So, do I want Bucky to turn into a total disaster (like I always do), or do I want them to do well to make our win look all the better?
Please advise.
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Loyola Chicago tied in the second half against Bucky.
I really hate Bucky, I cannot tell you how much I hate the Badgers. I don't want them to lose, I want them to be humiliated.
That said, we beat them. So, do I want Bucky to turn into a total disaster (like I always do), or do I want them to do well to make our win look all the better?
Please advise.
I’m in the same dilemma. Think we are good enough this year to not have to worry about how good our wins are though.
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I look at it as a win-win. If Madison wins ... whatevs ... I guess it helps our tourney seeding. If Madison loses ... good ... I hate 'em.
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Kstate who entered at 2-4 including a loss to D2 Fort Hayes State(they were winless in D2 coming into the game) just beat Iowa State tonight. Their two wins coming into tonight were by 5 points combined to Kansas City Roos and UWM. Woof.
That was potentially a game between the two worst power 5 teams.
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Loyola Chicago tied in the second half against Bucky.
I really hate Bucky, I cannot tell you how much I hate the Badgers. I don't want them to lose, I want them to be humiliated.
That said, we beat them. So, do I want Bucky to turn into a total disaster (like I always do), or do I want them to do well to make our win look all the better?
Please advise.
I’m having a harder time this year working up hate for them. First, Gard seems about as good a guy as there is at this level of coaching. Other than Davison, none of the other players bother me. Not like the days of Koenig, Hayes, Kaminsky, etc. Finally, not seeing their fans and Grateful Red section also makes a difference.
Maybe it’s too early still.
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I’m having a harder time this year working up hate for them. First, Gard seems about as good a guy as there is at this level of coaching. Other than Davison, none of the other players bother me. Not like the days of Koenig, Hayes, Kaminsky, etc. Finally, not seeing their fans and Grateful Red section also makes a difference.
Maybe it’s too early still.
Same feeling over here. I don't want them to be great but i want them to be solid and am not disgusted rooting for them. Best case scenario they win out in non-conference, finish 3rd or 4th in the B10 and bow out of the tournament early.
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I’m having a harder time this year working up hate for them. First, Gard seems about as good a guy as there is at this level of coaching. Other than Davison, none of the other players bother me. Not like the days of Koenig, Hayes, Kaminsky, etc. Finally, not seeing their fans and Grateful Red section also makes a difference.
Maybe it’s too early still.
I find Reuvers to be quite punchable.
But yeah overall they are not the typical hateable bunch aside from the name on the jersey.
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I have no problem hating Madison and Notre Dame. None.
Meanwhile, for those wondering about Virginia's slow start, here's an article in The Athletic explaining that Bennett is re-tooling his entire offense to a 5-out attack that he got from a D3 school.
https://theathletic.com/2247863/2020/12/16/virginia-cavaliers-hoos-offense-tony-bennett-noah-laroche/?source=dailyemail
I know it's behind a paywall for those who don't subscribe, so sorry.
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I love watching UNC’s transition game. Even when they stink, they still push the pace with the pass up the court.
Sadly, Tom Crean had seemingly never seen a single second of tape of Roy’s team doing that as of very early April 2003.
Crean sucks
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Obviously don’t love the Dookies, but any ND loss is a good ND loss!
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UTEP 76, Arizona State 63
Miners went into the game KenPom #188.
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Obviously don’t love the Dookies, but any ND loss is a good ND loss!
Yep. And it helps if you think of it as an ND loss instead of a Duke win.
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UTEP 76, Arizona State 63
Miners went into the game KenPom #188.
1. I really liked the Rodney Terry hire a few years ago. I think given time he could turn UTEP into one of the best programs in CUSA.
2. I did not understand the top 25 hype that Arizona State got at the beginning of the season. They scream bubbly to me.
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I did not understand the top 25 hype that Arizona State got at the beginning of the season. They scream bubbly to me.
Irrational love for Bobby Hurley.
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ASU brought back Remy Martin and brought in 2 Burger Boys.
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ASU brought back Remy Martin and brought in 2 Burger Boys.
Im aware and even with that they screamed bubbly to me
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Duke ... better without Jalen Johnson? Apparently it's good we didn't get that "cancer."
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In The Athletic, Ken Pomeroy says that early-season results show that home-court advantage has been reduced significantly this season. That was expected, but even he seems surprised at the degree.
https://theathletic.com/2268722/2020/12/18/college-basketball-home-court-advantage-covid-no-fans-kenpom/?source=dailyemail
I'm not going to cut and paste, because I want to honor the paywall, but a few highlights ...
++ "Over the past five seasons, the home team has won 60.1 percent of conference games. Through Wednesday, home teams have gone 36-28 this season, for a winning percentage of 56.3 percent. If it holds, it would crush the previous record for home-team futility of 59.0 percent in the 2016-17 season."
++ It’s a small sample subjected to the randomness of early-season matchups and better conclusions can be made in a month or so.
++ Average home scoring margin relative to the "home-court-less predictions" to this point in the season is about 60% of the previous 5 seasons.
++ "Home foul advantage" has dropped by more than a foul per game. "Foul calls have been less lopsided toward the home team than in the past, suggesting the drop in point differential isn’t a fluke. Even without fans, officials want to please the home team, but not as much as they used to."
++ "At least so far, it appears home-court advantage is about 60 percent of what we’ve seen in previous seasons. That would mean that the presence of fans is responsible for about 40 percent of home-court advantage."
++ Still give a team credit for winning on the road, "just not as much as you have in the past."
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Wisconsin looking pretty good today
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Wisconsin looking pretty good today
Louisville missing their best player and coming off a long layoff on the road. Makes the Marquette win that much better.
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Louisville missing their best player and coming off a long layoff on the road. Makes the Marquette win that much better.
They still look very incompetent today. I think a cupcake would blow them out today so at least they aren’t suffering a bad loss for their sake. The ACC looks pretty terrible this year. Not unhappy to see that.
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Gonzaga looking lethal!
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Gonzagas best is far and away better than anyone elses best.
You gotta hope to have a talented team on a good shooting day against them on a bad day to win imo.
Team is really, really impressive.
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Gonzagas best is far and away better than anyone elses best.
You gotta hope to have a talented team on a good shooting day against them on a bad day to win imo.
Team is really, really impressive.
Baylor can absolutely play with them. Those two are in a tier of their own.
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I picked Gonzaga as the second best team in the nation preseason.
I picked them too low.
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Baylor can absolutely play with them. Those two are in a tier of their own.
Yeah Baylor is really good and they can hang with Gonzaga.
But unless Zags play average or Baylor blacks out. Don't see Baylor winning a match up.
If both teams brings their A game, Zags are far more well rounded.
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UK vs UL next saturday appears to be anything but must see tv
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Could be worse, we could be Kentucky.
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After barely surviving mighty Furman at home, Nate Oats' fightin' Bamas fall at home to Western Kentucky. Now 4-3. Quite a week for Oats, who had to put his tail between his legs as he walked back his rip of Coach K.
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Sounds like Nate Oats to MU after Steve Wojciechowski to Kentucky
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Could be worse, we could be Kentucky.
Cal will never stop recruiting burger boys, but IMO he also needs a few more quality 'four and dones' to help hold them together.
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Northwestern up 15 on #4 Michigan State on BTN.
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Could be worse, we could be Kentucky.
It's funny how great coaches are only great when they have great players.
(Wink, wink, Bill Belichick, and Quitter K).
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5-year extension for Penny Hardaway, who has as many NCAA tourney appearances as I do.
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5-year extension for Penny Hardaway, who has as many NCAA tourney appearances as I do.
Yeah, but he has more NCAA infractions.
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Yeah, but he has more NCAA infractions.
Watched last 4 minutes tonight. They lost at home to Tulsa. In 2H, they had 12 turnovers and made 5 baskets. It happens!
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I loved Penny as a player. He’s annoying as a coach.
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I loved Penny as a player. He’s annoying as a coach.
When Penny was great with the Magic, he was my son's favorite player. My son even had a Penny jersey that he wore everywhere.
I don't know enough about him as a coach to know if he's annoying or not. I also don't know enough about him to know if he's a good coach or a bad coach or somewhere in between. Time will tell.
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Butler lost to SIU last night. Marcus Domask (Sophmore from Waupun) scored 26 and is averaging 17,5 and 3 on the year for SIU.
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Austin Peay, one of the three favorites in the OVC, looked lost when they fell by 30 at Murray State two weeks ago then suffered defeat at home to FAMU. Last night they beat Murray State in the rematch.
But the real takeaway? The best hashtag in the sport is #LetsGoPeay.
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Watched a lot of basketball over the weekend. Outside of gonzaga and Baylor, there’s a lot of meh (including MU). Wisconsin is the number 3 team on Kenpom right now. It will be an up and down season for everyone.
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Austin Peay, one of the three favorites in the OVC, looked lost when they fell by 30 at Murray State two weeks ago then suffered defeat at home to FAMU. Last night they beat Murray State in the rematch.
But the real takeaway? The best hashtag in the sport is #LetsGoPeay.
Brings to mind the student cheer when Fly Williams was scoring nearly 30 a game for them in the 1970s:
"The Fly is open! Let's go Peay!"
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Some good news:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30582502/florida-gators-keyontae-johnson-being-released-hospital (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30582502/florida-gators-keyontae-johnson-being-released-hospital)
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5-year extension for Penny Hardaway, who has as many NCAA tourney appearances as I do.
I am pretty sure I saw him play in NCAA tournament in Milwaukee. Of course that was as a player.
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I am pretty sure I saw him play in NCAA tournament in Milwaukee. Of course that was as a player.
I have appeared in numerous NCAA tournaments as a fan. ;)
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Some good news:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30582502/florida-gators-keyontae-johnson-being-released-hospital (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30582502/florida-gators-keyontae-johnson-being-released-hospital)
and a shock to almost nobody, he's been diagnosed with Myocarditis after having COVID.
https://www.gatorsports.com/story/basketball/2020/12/22/florida-gators-keyontae-johnson-has-season-ending-heart-issue/4006117001/
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Crazy finish to the Oklahoma TTU game. TTU up 3, fouls with under 5 seconds. OU make the first , misses the second on purpose and gets the Rebound, and is fouled. They are down 2, with two free throws coming. OU player bricks the first free throw. OU player misses the the second on purpose. OU tip misses, OU player gets the missed tip and has a great look at a lay-up/tip and misses. TTU wins by two.
Not sure if this is good evidence for the foul when up three, or dont foul when up three, but entertaining nonetheless.
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and a shock to almost nobody, he's been diagnosed with Myocarditis after having COVID.
https://www.gatorsports.com/story/basketball/2020/12/22/florida-gators-keyontae-johnson-has-season-ending-heart-issue/4006117001/
From an anonymous source. I’m as analytical as they come and even I would say there’s no evidence either way that COVID is causing acute myocarditis. Just don’t know yet. Or in this case, if it was the myocarditis that caused the significant cardiac event. Could be a lot of other things.
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Ill just keep saying it.
Barring a bad game and a really good game by the opponent.
Nobody is touching Gonzaga.
THey are just incredible to watch.
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Ill just keep saying it.
Barring a bad game and a really good game by the opponent.
Nobody is touching Gonzaga.
THey are just incredible to watch.
I wish we had been able to see the Gonzaga/Baylor matchup, but at this point, they just look to be on a different level. The only hope is maybe they get lulled a bit by the WCC and come out flat in the first weekend of the NCAAs. Quality-wise, this team is right there with 2015 Kentucky and 2018 Villanova as the best of the past decade.
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Virginia got upset by zillion-point underdog San Fran, and they needed OT to beat Kent State, but at least they held the Zags under 100.
Looks like Bennett musta suffered too many day-glo green wienies on the recruiting trail.
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Kentucky is now 1-6, for the first time since 1926.
You think Calipari is hoping for COVID so he can shut the season down (like Duke’s women basketball)?
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Kentucky is now 1-6, for the first time since 1926.
You think Calipari is hoping for COVID so he can shut the season down (like Duke’s women basketball)?
No.
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Kentucky is now 1-6, for the first time since 1926.
You think Calipari is hoping for COVID so he can shut the season down (like Duke’s women basketball)?
Anybody 'hoping for COVID' is a damn fool.
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No.
So based on the track record the smart money's on Cal hoping for a Covid shutdown? ;)
Yes.
Notre Dame would be the one I would predict them to win. I would predict UCLA and Louisville beat them, but I wouldn't be shocked if Kentucky won either of those.
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Virginia got upset by zillion-point underdog San Fran, and they needed OT to beat Kent State, but at least they held the Zags under 100.
Looks like Bennett musta suffered too many day-glo green wienies on the recruiting trail.
Gonzaga converted 15 Virginia turnovers into 27 points and Wisconsin converted 14 MSU turnovers into 24 points yesterday. Happens to even the most celebrated coaches.
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Gonzaga converted 15 Virginia turnovers into 27 points and Wisconsin converted 14 MSU turnovers into 24 points yesterday. Happens to even the most celebrated coaches.
I blame Wojo. Apparently even his former players can’t un-learn MU’s bad turnover habit.
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We suck so we quit?
Winless Chicago State suspends men's basketball program for rest of season
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30589742/winless-chicago-state-suspends-men-basketball-program-rest-season
Chicago State is suspending its men's basketball program for the remainder of the 2020-21 season "to focus on the health, safety, and academic pursuits of the Men's Basketball student-athletes."
"It was a difficult decision, but a necessary decision in order to prioritize the health, wellness, and academic success of the student-athletes," athletic director Elliott Charles said Wednesday.
The Cougars will finish 0-9 this season.
Chicago State had several issues related to COVID-19 during the first few weeks of the season. Head coach Lance Irvin stepped away from the team before the season began due to COVID-19 concerns, and the Cougars had to cancel their game against Iowa State on Tuesday due to an insufficient number of available players.
Chicago State played earlier this month against Illinois State with just six players, and it faced Drake this past weekend with just seven available players.
The remaining 14 athletic programs, including women's basketball, will continue as scheduled.
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Arizona self imposes a post season ban for this year. Anyone else find that pretty ridiculous? The NCAA is so incompetent that they will probably accept that punishment and move on.
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Arizona self imposes a post season ban for this year. Anyone else find that pretty ridiculous? The NCAA is so incompetent that they will probably accept that punishment and move on.
It's the latest trend.
Here's hoping it ends up amounting to wishful thinking for Sean Miller's gang.
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We suck so we quit?
Winless Chicago State suspends men's basketball program for rest of season
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30589742/winless-chicago-state-suspends-men-basketball-program-rest-season
Chicago State is suspending its men's basketball program for the remainder of the 2020-21 season "to focus on the health, safety, and academic pursuits of the Men's Basketball student-athletes."
"It was a difficult decision, but a necessary decision in order to prioritize the health, wellness, and academic success of the student-athletes," athletic director Elliott Charles said Wednesday.
The Cougars will finish 0-9 this season.
Chicago State had several issues related to COVID-19 during the first few weeks of the season. Head coach Lance Irvin stepped away from the team before the season began due to COVID-19 concerns, and the Cougars had to cancel their game against Iowa State on Tuesday due to an insufficient number of available players.
Chicago State played earlier this month against Illinois State with just six players, and it faced Drake this past weekend with just seven available players.
The remaining 14 athletic programs, including women's basketball, will continue as scheduled.
They should suspend permanently. The worst program in America at a school barely hanging on financially. Layoffs, shortening the academic year, enrollment cratering, brutal retention rate, 11% graduation rate. 4-25 last year (only one D1 win, over Brian Barone's SIU-E squad), 3-29 the previous year (only one D1 win), 3-29 the season before that (one D1 win). The women's team went 1-27 last year after going 2-28 the season before, playing in a conference requiring ridiculous travel. Put it out of its misery.
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SMU women's hoops ends their season and SLU men's hoops shuts down for two weeks.
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They should suspend permanently. The worst program in America at a school barely hanging on financially. Layoffs, shortening the academic year, enrollment cratering, brutal retention rate, 11% graduation rate. 4-25 last year (only one D1 win, over Brian Barone's SIU-E squad), 3-29 the previous year (only one D1 win), 3-29 the season before that (one D1 win). The women's team went 1-27 last year after going 2-28 the season before, playing in a conference requiring ridiculous travel. Put it out of its misery.
And their coach is Lance Irvin, aka son of Mac Irvin, one of the most powerful and prolific names in Chicago AAU basketball. And there is currently 1, ONE, player on the team from Chicago. If he can’t get talent from the city to play there, with that bloodline and connection, nobody can or will. What an unfortunate disaster. Not to mention, they are in the WAC. Their closest conference opponent is literally 1000 miles away in Texas. And most are in the Pacific time zone.
The coach before Irvin had a winning percentage of .216...over 8 years. He had 2 seasons out of 8 in which he won double digit games and that was still enough to get 8 seasons. Says everything.
Speaking of the financial issues there, they build a brand new baseball stadium in 2014....and disbanded the program over the summer. SHEESH
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UVa-Va Tech and Duke-FSU scheduled for today have been postponed because of positives in the UVa and FSU programs.
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I thought K had an exposure.
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This was supposed to be the time, with students leaving campus around Thanksgiving, that college basketball had a window to play these games. It looks like we are getting somewhere around 20% of games cancelled everyday. This may not be sustainable in a couple of weeks.
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Texas is impressive as hell at KU today. Up 22 and never trailed for 1 second.
This is definitely not a true #3 rated Kansas(similar to the other blue bloods) but its still a really talented team. Texas continues to prove that they were vastly underrated entering the year.
Only loss so far was a close game with Nova.
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I watch a decent amount of USC games as one of my good friends is an alum and his crew out in LA that I’ve become close with are big fans of both USC FB and BB. I love the Andy Enfield story and kudos to him for lasting long than Floyd or O’Neil, but boy does he stink for the talent he has. Had a top 10 class 2 years ago with a top 20 guy in Isaiah Mobley leading it. He sticks around for another year, Enfield adds his brother Evan who is a top 5 recruit, plus an experienced transfer in Drew Petersen, plus he has a redshirt senior PG this year. And with all that, their offense is WRETCHED. Watched them play Colorado at home the other night. Made it a 1 possession game at 57-55 at the 10 min mark....then proceeded to score 5 points in 9 minutes before a pair of garbage time buckets.
Today, playing a Utah team they also outclass, leading at half, they’ve lit it up with 6 whole points in the first 8 minutes of the second half. Enfield doesn’t want rock fights like Tony Bennett, but that dude just can’t seem to coach offense anymore
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Kentucky finally wins ... but only after Cal is ejected.
The come-from-behind, double-OT win over Mississippi State gives Kentucky a 2-6 record ... and then they have the temerity to celebrate the victory.
Can you imagine, college kids celebrating an emotional win? Some nerve!
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Kentucky finally wins ... but only after Cal is ejected.
The come-from-behind, double-OT win over Mississippi State gives Kentucky a 2-6 record ... and then they have the temerity to celebrate the victory.
Can you imagine, college kids celebrating an emotional win? Some nerve!
Did Cal shut the celebration down immediately? If not, an embarrassing moment, to be sure.
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I thought K had an exposure.
Yes, but the game was still going to be played without him because it was just an exposure. Scheyer was going to coach the team. The cancellation was due to an actual positive test (not just an exposure) in the FSU program.
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Where do you guys fall with “respectful” end of game clock milking, or whatever you wanna call it? It’s a bit absurd to me. Watched the end of Minny-OSU. Minny is up 12-15. Starting after the Under 4 TO, Pitino flat out stopped all offense. Like off the sideline frantically pushing his team back while Carr stood and dribbled at the center circle for 25 seconds and then drove and flung up a shot with 5 seconds left on the clock. There is a difference between running and gunning and pressing up big, but it’s a bit extreme. I’ve watched a dozen games where teams with the lead scored under 5 pts in the last 4-5 min. With the weird season, basketball is already disjointed, this makes it even worse to watch. Just play the dang game
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Oklahoma State won on the road at #13 Texas Tech. They were coming off their first two losses of the season, a headscratcher to TCU at home (by 1) and a three point loss at Texas (who recently smacked Kansas in the mouth). I definitely underestimated Ok State preseason. I didn't think that they would be this good.
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Northwestern just being Northwestern.
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Missed this one from the weekend. Colorado State rallied from a 26 point deficit to beat Mountain West favorite San Diego State. Their comeback included a 19-0 run towards the end of the first half and a 14-0 run towards the end of the second half. Their two runs combined for 33-0 and they only won by 3 points, taking the lead for the first time with around 10 seconds left. It is the largest comeback of the season so far and just the 5th road comeback of 26 points or more in the past 10 seasons.
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I am guessing Colorado State scoop is using the comeback as proof the team needs a new coach.
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I am guessing Colorado State scoop is using the comeback as proof the team needs a new coach.
No miraculous comeback last night. CSU lost to SDSU by 13.
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Oklahoma St. led West Virginia at home 68-49 with 11:15 remaining in the game. They lost 87-84.
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BU and Holy Cross players to wear masks during this afternoon's game.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30651334/boston-university-terriers-holy-cross-crusaders-wear-masks-tuesday-game
Boston University and Holy Cross will both wear masks for Tuesday's men's college basketball game, a Boston University spokesperson told ESPN.
The game is believed to be the first in men's college basketball this season in which both teams will be wearing masks on the court.
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No miraculous comeback last night. CSU lost to SDSU by 13.
Fire (coach X)!
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I am guessing Colorado State scoop is using the comeback as proof the team needs a new coach.
Come on Tower, we don't need to turn this thread into projo vs. nojo too.
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I am guessing Colorado State scoop is using the comeback as proof the team needs a new coach.
I totally celebrated our comeback win vs Georgetown.
That said, two things that are not the same: a 26 point comeback vs the best team in the conference and an 18 point comeback vs the worst team in the conference.
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UMass @ GW game postponed due to the insurrection.
I thought I had seen it all after postponements due to wet aircraft carrier surfaces and Covid, but this one takes the cake: a game postponed because of an armed insurrection at the United States Capitol.
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McKinley Wright IV just had another outstanding game in Colorado’s win over #17 Oregon. His coach just said he is on track for Career stats 1600 points 600 rebounds And 600 assists which be the first player in PAC-12 history to achieve those stats .
Does anybody remember what happened with MU recruitment of McKinley, If any, I remember he was in same high school team as Theo.
McKinley originally signed with Dayton but decommitted after a coaching change and went to Colorado.
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https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3234957/legit-never-seen-an-ending-this-bizarre-louisianas-lights-go-off-as-little-rock-attempts-a-game-winning-shot-refs-dont-care
Weird situation. Refs stink.
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Michigan State gave up a 17-point lead and lost to unranked Purdue.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/watch-michigan-state-blows-17-point-lead-at-home-as-purdues-trevion-williams-hits-late-clutch-jumper/
#fireIzzo
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It isn't the same thing because he isn't Wojo and Joey likes him. False equivalency.
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It isn't the same thing because he isn't Wojo and Joey likes him. False equivalency.
Damn! And I was getting all worked up to write a letter....
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Very nice win for Shaka over Huggy Bear today.
One of Huggy's players screwed up royally with a 1-point lead and 10 seconds left -- grabbed an offensive rebound and could have killed clock, but instead tried to score, got fouled, and then bricked 2 FTs. Texas then hit the winning 3.
Texas having an outstanding season, including a decisive win over Kansas last week. Will be interesting to see what the coming months have in store for them.
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Very nice win for Shaka over Huggy Bear today.
One of Huggy's players screwed up royally with a 1-point lead and 10 seconds left -- grabbed an offensive rebound and could have killed clock, but instead tried to score, got fouled, and then bricked 2 FTs. Texas then hit the winning 3.
Texas having an outstanding season, including a decisive win over Kansas last week. Will be interesting to see what the coming months have in store for them.
Courtney Ramey, and others have been very good this year. This what Texas had hoped for and expected with Ramey.
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Very nice win for Shaka over Huggy Bear today.
One of Huggy's players screwed up royally with a 1-point lead and 10 seconds left -- grabbed an offensive rebound and could have killed clock, but instead tried to score, got fouled, and then bricked 2 FTs. Texas then hit the winning 3.
Texas having an outstanding season, including a decisive win over Kansas last week. Will be interesting to see what the coming months have in store for them.
So....has your overall opinion of Shaka changed?
Is he the #donedeal scoopers wished we had or is he still the same guy who deserved your relentless verbal punishment for 5 plus years?
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So....has your overall opinion of Shaka changed?
Is he the #donedeal scoopers wished we had or is he still the same guy who deserved your relentless verbal punishment for 5 plus years?
He is finally getting it together after all these years even having the benefit of the Texas name and with the benefit of many highly sought after players on his roster.
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Looking back, it's hard to blame Shaka for not taking the MU job. We didn't even have an Athletic Director at the time, so we were essentially asking him to come here without knowing who his boss would be. If we'd had an AD in place, things might've turned out differently. I don't necessarily harbor any ill will against him, and it was great to see Andrew Jones hit that last shot today for Texas. That kid has been through a lot and hope he continues to have a good season.
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Michigan State gave up a 17-point lead and lost to unranked Purdue.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/watch-michigan-state-blows-17-point-lead-at-home-as-purdues-trevion-williams-hits-late-clutch-jumper/
#fireIzzo
Micah Shrewsberry should be another name as a potential head coach.
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Looking back, it's hard to blame Shaka for not taking the MU job. We didn't even have an Athletic Director at the time, so we were essentially asking him to come here without knowing who his boss would be. If we'd had an AD in place, things might've turned out differently. I don't necessarily harbor any ill will against him, and it was great to see Andrew Jones hit that last shot today for Texas. That kid has been through a lot and hope he continues to have a good season.
Can’t blame Shaka. He held out for a better job.
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So....has your overall opinion of Shaka changed?
Is he the #donedeal scoopers wished we had or is he still the same guy who deserved your relentless verbal punishment for 5 plus years?
I've had fun with the whole Shaka thing, but all I ever did was state facts. For example, some of the same Scoopers who were killing Wojo for losing in the first round of the NCAAs didn't seem to mind Shaka going 11-22 at Texas. 11-22!!
And Texas has won exactly as many NCAA tourney games under Shaka as Marquette has under Wojo.
And of the 11 seasons at their present schools that the two have combined to coach heading into this one, Wojo's 2018-19 season was easily the best. (Which, given the ending, says something about both of them.)
Now, the fact is that Shaka, in Year 6, finally looks like he has a team that's got it all together. They are exciting and talented. So we'll see. I mean, if they keep playing outstanding hoops and do some damage in March, I'm not gonna deny it. I'm gonna acknowledge it.
But yes, he deserved my "relentless verbal punishment" while Texas did squadoosh for 5 years; during that stretch, he probably was the most overrated coach in all of college basketball. But this is a new year and, again, it looks like he and his team might finally be ready to have a break-out season. It sure as heck doesn't look like Wojo and his team are gonna do anything special this year.
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Pac 12 After Dark.
UCLA is likely to jump in the AP Top 25 after sweeping the desert. They are finding ways to win.
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It isn't the same thing because he isn't Wojo and Joey likes him. False equivalency.
No, it is the same because Izzo is a hall of fame coach and has EARNED the respect of their fan base by consistently turning out an elite product, and built a winning culture.
Wojo hasn’t.
Tower I respect all that you bring to this board, but your above passive aggressive stabs at posters like the one above.
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Wow. Michigan is pummeling Whisky. I haven't followed Michigan closely but I don't think anyone had them as a contender to win the B14.
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Wow. Michigan is pummelling Whisky. I haven't followed Michigan closely but I don't think anyone had them as a contender to win the B14.
Holy crap, I thought you meant by like 20. But no, it's 67-29 right now.
41-6 run by Michigan.
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Why exactly is Duke ranked?
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Why exactly is Duke ranked?
Because of the name on the front of their jerseys.
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Wow. Michigan is pummeling Whisky. I haven't followed Michigan closely but I don't think anyone had them as a contender to win the B14.
They were picked in the middle of the pack and on the low end of the NCAA field, and didn’t look like anything special in the early games. But they have reeled off some good looking wins, including the 43-6 run tonight. They did something similar to Minnesota last week.
At the start of the conference season Pomeroy projected them at 10-10 in the conference. Now he has it at 15-4 (their second game with PSU was postponed).
Tonight’s performance rivaled Gonzaga vs Virginia as the best I’ve seen this year. Swarming defense and smooth running offense.
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Oklahoma St. 75 Kansas 70 Final.
4 Cowboys in double figures. CC with 18 and 7.
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I know I'm supposed to want Madison to win. But I don't. And sorry, but it's fun watching them lose by 1,000 points.
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I know I'm supposed to want Madison to win. But I don't. And sorry, but it's fun watching them lose by 1,000 points.
Very well said!
Nice to see Kentucky get throttled as well.
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Three games tonight involving ranked teams, and the rodents, Duke and KU lost them. What a beautiful night.
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Wow. Michigan is pummeling Whisky. I haven't followed Michigan closely but I don't think anyone had them as a contender to win the B14.
Mike Smith is REALLY fricken good. He could put up 15-20 a game if he wanted to, but they don’t need him to so he just calmly captains the ship. I haven’t seen a pure college PG as calculated and controlled as him in awhile. He has a bit of Chris Paul to his game for sure.
I don’t know about Juwan Howard as coach, but they have a ton of talent. Mo Wagner’s little brother is a really solid player too
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Tonight down south, it's the "Make Marquette Fans Envious Doubleheader":
Buzz vs Howland
Shaka vs Beard
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Tonight down south, it's the "Make Marquette Fans Envious Doubleheader":
Buzz vs Howland
Shaka vs Beard
LOL - Good one, Mike!
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Great game between Texas and Texas Tech. Mac McClung looks awfully good for the Red Raiders. Just hit a huge shot with a couple seconds to go to take the lead.
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And the winners are ...
Howland and Shaka both blow 10-point halftime leads; Buzz wins by 1, Beard wins by 2 on McClung hoop.
All four met in Zoom postgame press conference and, in unison, said: "Suck it, Marquette!"
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And the winners are ...
Howland and Shaka both blow 10-point halftime leads; Buzz wins by 1, Beard wins by 2 on McClung hoop.
All four met in Zoom postgame press conference and, in unison, said: "Suck it, Marquette!"
McClung gave one of the strangest postgame interviews I have ever seen. Fran Fraschilla had just congratulated him and was asking a question when McClung started to pull the headphones off and said “I’ve got to go; my teammates are calling for me.”
I’ve never seen a player bolt on an interview like that…
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McClung gave one of the strangest postgame interviews I have ever seen. Fran Fraschilla had just congratulated him and was asking a question when McClung started to pull the headphones off and said “I’ve got to go; my teammates are calling for me.”
I’ve never seen a player bolt on an interview like that…
Not sure why many on here have a problem with him. He seems like a decent kid. Him and Akinjo really took it to MU in the game that would have clinched a conference championship, so maybe I have just answered my own question.
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Not sure why many on here have a problem with him. He seems like a decent kid. Him and Akinjo really took it to MU in the game that would have clinched a conference championship, so maybe I have just answered my own question.
I think you misunderstand - I don’t have a problem with McClung at all. He seems like a good kid and I was really psyched when he hit his last-second shot. It was just a really strange interview…
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I think you misunderstand - I don’t have a problem with McClung at all. He seems like a good kid and I was really psyched when he hit his last-second shot. It was just a really strange interview…
Sorry, not saying you did at all. Just get the general sense of dislike from that kid on this board. Would agree it was a strange interview.
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Sorry, not saying you did at all. Just get the general sense of dislike from that kid on this board. Would agree it was a strange interview.
No worries, and I get what you're saying. McClung is a Diener-type player. Gritty, talented, gym-rat kind of kid you love to have on your team, but hate on the other side.
The other crazy McClung play I forgot to mention was with about a minute or two to go. He drives into the wide open lane, flips the ball off the backboard to himself, and was about to put it back in when he got fouled. Great play, and though it didn't work for the layup, it got him to the line for 2 FTs (which he hit).
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There was plenty of hate for McClung before the game that him and Akinjo went off.
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/gcu/2021/01/14/gcu-part-13-school-wac-expansion-mid-major/6646759002/
WAC expanding by 6 schools and kicking out Chicago State (maybe they are finally dropping out D1?). Article has a Marquette mention in the first sentence. Apparently, we are something to aspire to!
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Chicago State plans to leave the WAC.
https://www.gocsucougars.com/news/2021/1/14/general-chicago-state-university-announces-plan-to-leave-western-athletic-conference-in-june-2022.aspx
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Chicago State plans to leave the WAC.
https://www.gocsucougars.com/news/2021/1/14/general-chicago-state-university-announces-plan-to-leave-western-athletic-conference-in-june-2022.aspx
Plans to leave? Or asked to leave?
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/gcu/2021/01/14/gcu-part-13-school-wac-expansion-mid-major/6646759002/
WAC expanding by 6 schools and kicking out Chicago State (maybe they are finally dropping out D1?). Article has a Marquette mention in the first sentence. Apparently, we are something to aspire to!
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Plans to leave? Or asked to leave?
Oh I’m pretty sure they were booted.
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/gcu/2021/01/14/gcu-part-13-school-wac-expansion-mid-major/6646759002/
WAC expanding by 6 schools and kicking out Chicago State (maybe they are finally dropping out D1?). Article has a Marquette mention in the first sentence. Apparently, we are something to aspire to!
I'd always wondered why CSU would bolt the Summitt, go, Independent, join the Great West, then end up in the WAC. Well, it turns out the WAC had an eastern expansion plan where six schools were supposed to join the WAC - CSU and UMKC ended up being the only ones who did. KC joined the Summitt this past year. Denver also had joined the WAC then before they played a game a bunch of members bolted and they bailed for the Summitt.
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Oh I’m pretty sure they were booted.
Excellent. Now they can join the Big East!
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I'd always wondered why CSU would bolt the Summitt, go, Independent, join the Great West, then end up in the WAC. Well, it turns out the WAC had an eastern expansion plan where six schools were supposed to join the WAC - CSU and UMKC ended up being the only ones who did. KC joined the Summitt this past year. Denver also had joined the WAC then before they played a game a bunch of members bolted and they bailed for the Summitt.
And I doubt Chicago State will get another invite.
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UCLA and OKSt are pretty good.
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UCLA and OKSt are pretty good.
Yeah, those certainly weren't bad losses. But they would have looked even better as Ws!
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Was looking through some NET numbers. Was curious who the lowest ranked high major was. Turns out it is 1-10 Washington. Their one win is a home win over #247 Seattle. They have a home loss to #212 Montana and a road loss to #215 California. Only 2 of their 10 losses were by single digits, the rest were all blowouts.
Remember when some thought that Marquette should have hired Mike Hopkins? Others pointed out that Hopkins early success was with his predecessor's players.
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Was looking through some NET numbers. Was curious who the lowest ranked high major was. Turns out it is 1-10 Washington. Their one win is a home win over #247 Seattle. They have a home loss to #212 Montana and a road loss to #215 California. Only 2 of their 10 losses were by single digits, the rest were all blowouts.
Remember when some thought that Marquette should have hired Mike Hopkins? Others pointed out that Hopkins early success was with his predecessor's players.
Speaking of Washington, it really is amazing how strong the program was for several years under Lorenzo Romar, then just fell off a cliff. They made the Sweet Sixteen twice in his first four seasons and had a few good years after that, then teetered around .500 for a while before his final 9-22 season.
His whole career at Pepperdine (twice) and SLU, he has basically been a .500 coach, so those few great seasons seem to be aberrations. Kinda makes you wonder how he did so well during that period.
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Speaking of Washington, it really is amazing how strong the program was for several years under Lorenzo Romar, then just fell off a cliff. They made the Sweet Sixteen twice in his first four seasons and had a few good years after that, then teetered around .500 for a while before his final 9-22 season.
His whole career at Pepperdine (twice) and SLU, he has basically been a .500 coach, so those few great seasons seem to be aberrations. Kinda makes you wonder how he did so well during that period.
Lorenzo was good at Pepperdine the first time and in my opinion, he will turn them around again.. He will have some tough competition as several programs are much improved in the WCC right now. He took a bad situation and flipped it to 2 out of 3 WCC finishes. Some here would give ex MU players a parade for that. (kidding kind of).
He was only at SLU 3 seasons, similar to Pepperdine the first time. Two were winning records,.one an NCAA. One of his challenges was coming in 2nd place or so for 5 star type of recruits. He swung for the fences. He is a very good recruiter. If he had the facilities and resources that Travis Ford has, I believe he would have done well there over time. The alma mater job came open, so he left.
While at UW, Romar quickly again turned around a situation into 7 top 3 Pac 10/12 finishes in his first 10 seasons there. Things didn't work out for him as much there after that, but Romar is a good coach, and very good recruiter. And not that it matters as much, but he is one of those A+ type of people that some seek.
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Was looking through some NET numbers. Was curious who the lowest ranked high major was. Turns out it is 1-10 Washington. Their one win is a home win over #247 Seattle. They have a home loss to #212 Montana and a road loss to #215 California. Only 2 of their 10 losses were by single digits, the rest were all blowouts.
Remember when some thought that Marquette should have hired Mike Hopkins? Others pointed out that Hopkins early success was with his predecessor's players.
Yeah. Keefer had a muscle measuring contest with anyone who questioned his praise for Mike Hopkins because he knew rich people who supported Washington and he was guaranteed to be a grand slam for that program.
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Speaking of Washington, it really is amazing how strong the program was for several years under Lorenzo Romar, then just fell off a cliff. They made the Sweet Sixteen twice in his first four seasons and had a few good years after that, then teetered around .500 for a while before his final 9-22 season.
His whole career at Pepperdine (twice) and SLU, he has basically been a .500 coach, so those few great seasons seem to be aberrations. Kinda makes you wonder how he did so well during that period.
Local kids. Brandon Roy, Nate Robinson, Spencer Hawes, John Brockman, Isaiah Thomas, and Tony Wroten. He had close ties to Justin Holiday’s family as well as Quincy Pondexter’s. They were the core of Romar’s success during that time. He started losing the local kids, the Seattle talent pool wasn’t as deep, and getting Caliparied by a Terrance Jones hurt him.
He wasn’t a cheater. He came along a the right time.
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Kinda makes you wonder how he did so well during that period.
Lazar didn't know where the end line was...
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Lazar didn't know where the end line was...
That was Missouri. Washington was a Buzz choke job.
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That was Missouri. Washington was a Buzz choke job.
That's right. Repressed memory of Buzz blowing that 15 point 2nd half lead vs. UW. The heartaches all run together.
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Buzz teams blew big leads?!?!? I thought sepia tinted memories had obliterated that.
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Local kids. Brandon Roy, Nate Robinson, Spencer Hawes, John Brockman, Isaiah Thomas, and Tony Wroten. He had close ties to Justin Holiday’s family as well as Quincy Pondexter’s. They were the core of Romar’s success during that time. He started losing the local kids, the Seattle talent pool wasn’t as deep, and getting Caliparied by a Terrance Jones hurt him.
He wasn’t a cheater. He came along a the right time.
Yeah I think UW has to be a tough place to coach. Seattle doesn't churn out a bunch of talent and its hard to get kids there. Not on TV much. They have had very little success as a program. That being said, it looks like the bottom is falling out for Hopkins.
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That's right. Repressed memory of Buzz blowing that 15 point 2nd half lead vs. UW. The heartaches all run together.
It hurts more because there was no really competition in the next round New Mexico wasn't going to beat us or Washington so it was essentially playing for the sweet 16.
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On cue, Washington up 10 on UCLA at the half. ?-(
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Baylor wins at Texas Tech with Jared Butler shooting just 2-11. Baylor is the one team, barring injuries or covid to either team, that can play with Gonzaga.
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On cue, Washington up 10 on UCLA at the half. ?-(
Aannnnnddd blew that lead with quickness in the second half and lost by 5
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American U's first two games were scheduled for January 2 & 3 against Loyola Maryland, but got postponed. Their next two were January 9 & 10 against Lehigh, but got postponed. They finally played their first game of the season yesterday, against Navy. They lost on OT, and now stand at 0-1...in mid-January.
https://www.ncaa.com/game/5762913
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Krutwig turned into a heck of a player at Loyola-Chi. You look at the guy and think really? Excellent footwork. I wonder if Moser will be there much longer?
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Krutwig turned into a heck of a player at Loyola-Chi. You look at the guy and think really? Excellent footwork. I wonder if Moser will be there much longer?
Not so sure I see a high major wanting him.
He obviously had that great FF run, but that was his only NCAA appearance in 16 seasons. And his overall record is only slightly better than .500 against mostly mid-major competition.
IMO his best shot was coming off the Final Four. At this point, I think he'll need to add at least a couple of conference championships/NCAA appearances before he gets a better job.
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That's a pretty good team Goooo but your point is well taken. I think he's a good coach overall but hasn't gotten enough talent since the F4 run. Sister Jeam may alsi be slowing down? I dunno.
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Not so sure I see a high major wanting him.
He obviously had that great FF run, but that was his only NCAA appearance in 16 seasons. And his overall record is only slightly better than .500 against mostly mid-major competition.
IMO his best shot was coming off the Final Four. At this point, I think he'll need to add at least a couple of conference championships/NCAA appearances before he gets a better job.
Moser learned quite a bit about player development working with Majerus. He’s won the Valley 2 out of the past 3 seasons, and he finished 2nd the third season. He’s been there 10 years, 8 in the Valley after a successful assistant stint prior to that.
He turned down St. John’s and UNLV after the 2019 season.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-porter-moser-loyola-st-johns-20190416-story.html%3foutputType=amp
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How good is Drake? Haven't gotten a chance to see them play.
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How good is Drake? Haven't gotten a chance to see them play.
Drake is pretty good. They'd be even better if they still had Liam Robbins. (Averaging 14 & 7 at Minnesota this season). They haven't haven't played great teams yet but 13-0 is 13-0.
This is a good piece on how they have pieced together their team after inheriting 3 scholarship players a few seasons ago when Devries started there after almost two decades assisting Altman and McDermott.
https://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/at-13-0-drake-is-one-of-the-best-stories-in-college-basketball-20210112
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Drake is pretty good. They'd be even better if they still had Liam Robbins. (Averaging 14 & 7 at Minnesota this season). They haven't haven't played great teams yet but 13-0 is 13-0.
This is a good piece on how they have pieced together their team after inheriting 3 scholarship players a few seasons ago when Devries started there after almost two decades assisting Altman and McDermott.
https://www.thegazette.com/subject/sports/at-13-0-drake-is-one-of-the-best-stories-in-college-basketball-20210112
Ty. It seems like there are fewer mid-majors that have a shot.
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Moser learned quite a bit about player development working with Majerus. He’s won the Valley 2 out of the past 3 seasons, and he finished 2nd the third season. He’s been there 10 years, 8 in the Valley after a successful assistant stint prior to that.
He turned down St. John’s and UNLV after the 2019 season.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-porter-moser-loyola-st-johns-20190416-story.html%3foutputType=amp
Not question he knows a lot about the game. But those two conference titles are also the only two of his sixteen-year career. Seems like a major program would expect a bit of a better track record. Guess we'll see....
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Not question he knows a lot about the game. But those two conference titles are also the only two of his sixteen-year career. Seems like a major program would expect a bit of a better track record. Guess we'll see....
I don't necessarily disagree. I believe his interest from UNLV and St. John's show the types of schools that have had him on their radar recently.
He certainly has had better success later, as a Majerus assistant and building something at Loyola Chi. This would be his fourth straight strong season there. For now he gets to live in his home town, make pretty good money, play competitive ball.
He was certainly intrigued by St. John's, even if it wasn't the best fit in the end. (His two more recent coaching stops have been Catholic urban city schools for a guy who played at one in college)
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I don't necessarily disagree. I believe his interest from UNLV and St. John's show the types of schools that have had him on their radar recently.
He certainly has had better success later, as a Majerus assistant and building something at Loyola Chi. This would be his fourth straight strong season there. For now he gets to live in his home town, make pretty good money, play competitive ball.
He was certainly intrigued by St. John's, even if it wasn't the best fit in the end. (His two more recent coaching stops have been Catholic urban city schools for a guy who played at one in college)
If Loyola would have lost in the S16 that year, would anyone be discussing Porter Moser?
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If Loyola would have lost in the S16 that year, would anyone be discussing Porter Moser?
They escaped their two first weekend games by a combined 3 points. Could've easily been one or two and done. Basically every top seed in their region was gone before the S16.
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If Loyola would have lost in the S16 that year, would anyone be discussing Porter Moser?
No ... but they didn't lose.
I mean, would Dwyane Wade be revered as an all-time MU basketball god had Travis Diener not saved his (and Marquette's) bacon against Holy Cross?
Having said that, I'm very skeptical of Porter Moser's ability to coach at the P6 level. Either he will continue to do well at Loyola and will get hired away (so we'll get a chance to see), or he will continue to do well at Loyola but decide to stay because he loves it there (so we'll never get a chance to see), or he will revert to doing poorly there and eventually will get fired (so we likely will never get a chance to see).
Long way of saying ... we'll see!
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Shades of Stan Heath memories whenever the discussion on this forum moves toward Porter Moser.
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Shades of Stan Heath memories whenever the discussion on this forum moves toward Porter Moser.
That is EXACTLY my point. Stan Heath was hired by Arkansas based on an Elite 8 run in his one and only year coaching at Kent State. (He took over the Kent State job from Gary Walters who took them to the tourney for the first time in their history just the year before.) If they would have lost in the first or second round, does Arkansas even look at him?
But he ended up being a pretty mediocre coach at both Arkansas and South Florida. He got 12 years of head coaching based off that one run.
My point isn't that Porter Moser shouldn't be revered by Loyola due to his Final Four run. Of course he should! My point is that we aren't having these discussions about Porter Moser at the next level had he not made the Final Four that year. He did little before, and has done little since, to make it look like he is a high level coach.
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They escaped their two first weekend games by a combined 3 points. Could've easily been one or two and done. Basically every top seed in their region was gone before the S16.
Let me walk down a path here. This is only about the Final Four.
Some people here mention Buzz' Elite 8 Run at Marquette as a good accomplishment. (Rightfully so in my opinion) I am not "only" Final Four or bust in my evaluations. I know recently you had some thoughts perhaps suggesting that you may be more of a Final Four or who cares about your NCAA finish that year. I may not have that correct so feel free to clarify it. I would respectfully disagree with that. I believe making the 2nd weekend has value etc...especially if you are a program that doesn't do it all the time.
How often when these Marquette posters here post about Buzz' Elite 8 run, do they mention that MU needed a buzzer beating shot to defeat a 14 seed in the first round? or that MU's first two wins were by a combined 3 points in that year's NCAA's? I would say not all that much. It is generally counted as a significant accomplishment for Buzz and MU.
It's interesting when some pick and choose when to discuss escapes or near losses in NCAA's etc...vs when we don't. Again I would mention many Buzz types of examples. Now you may discuss that more than some, but many people don't, wouldn't that be fair to say? more people are interested in celebrating the achievement than saying what if this or that or almost this or that.
There are roughly a couple of dozen or a little more coaches, that have gone to multiple FF's since MU's last national title, that haven't had some vacated.
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Crean went to IU and later Georgia because of one good run in the tourney. Other 8 years... Missed tourneys, NIT, one NCAA win.
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If Loyola would have lost in the S16 that year, would anyone be discussing Porter Moser?
Well, I am discussing Moser because a couple of posters mentioned him, just as I would discuss many other coaches, programs, or sports. So I will just speak to that.
I believe Muggsy mentioned how long Moser would stay at Loyola. Somehow others may have interpreted that as Power 5 or Big East or who knows. I posted what I know.
Moser is what his record says he is. He had a successful run as an assistant, getting him the Loyola position. He has a Final Four there, two regular season MVC titles in the past three seasons and a 2nd place finish in that same time frame.
I have never mentioned Moser and anything other than his career to this point, as well as the few places mentioned that were interested in hiring him away from Loyola.
I would break down Wardle for whatever that would be for him or the above mentioned Drake or whomever or wherever.
The answer to your question is he and they did make it to the Final Four. It doesn't count any less than any other team that has made a Final Four. I probably would discuss Moser because I would talk about a lot of teams and coaches in general whether or not they made the Final Four.
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Crean went to IU and later Georgia because of one good run in the tourney. Other 8 years... Missed tourneys, NIT, one NCAA win.
And of course MU won by four over a 14 seed in the first round that year, and in OT the next game. But it still counts.
I used the Buzz example because I've seen some mention a little more often Crean's FF run as the bulk of his success.
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Yeah I think UW has to be a tough place to coach. Seattle doesn't churn out a bunch of talent and its hard to get kids there. Not on TV much. They have had very little success as a program. That being said, it looks like the bottom is falling out for Hopkins.
Then how does Few do it at Gonzaga?
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Then how does Few do it at Gonzaga?
That is an excellent question. First, I think he is simply an excellent coach who has stuck around and built that program from the foundations that Dan Monson started. Second, I think he traditionally benefited from being in the WCC. He doesn't have to compete with the UCLAs and Arizonas. He competes with that next tier so even in down years, he still succeeds.
Now I am not saying UW is an impossible job by any means. But simply that it's a "tough place to coach." Someone who is good at recruiting and coaching, AND dedicates himself to the school, CAN succeed there. They just haven't found that guy yet.
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That is an excellent question. First, I think he is simply an excellent coach who has stuck around and built that program from the foundations that Dan Monson started. Second, I think he traditionally benefited from being in the WCC. He doesn't have to compete with the UCLAs and Arizonas. He competes with that next tier so even in down years, he still succeeds.
Now I am not saying UW is an impossible job by any means. But simply that it's a "tough place to coach." Someone who is good at recruiting and coaching, AND dedicates himself to the school, CAN succeed there. They just haven't found that guy yet.
Which is why I think if the P5 bolted from the NCAA all the other D1 teams would still survive. There just may be calls that NCAA champion play the P5 Champion for the national title.
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Which is why I think if the P5 bolted from the NCAA all the other D1 teams would still survive. There just may be calls that NCAA champion play the P5 Champion for the national title.
The other teams would undoubtedly survive. They would just make less money.
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Crapshoot, aina?
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Watching UConn and SJU play. I realize that one of the unexpected benefits of no fans is listening to the players. The constant talking on defense and offense. I would love to show this to some of the teams I coached because I simply could not get them to talk on either end of the floor, except sometimes for an outlet pass.
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First time since 1982 that neither UNC nor Duke are in the Top 25.
No Kentucky, either.
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Baylor is pretty good.
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Baylor is pretty really good.
FIFY. I love watching them. They are tough.
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FIFY. I love watching them. They are tough.
Crazy long and athletic.
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Unranked Florida crushes #6 Tennessee by 26. Sometimes you're the dog, sometimes you're the hydrant
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I mean, would Dwyane Wade be revered as an all-time MU basketball god had Travis Diener not saved his (and Marquette's) bacon against Holy Cross?
We’ve moved on, but yes, yes he would be. He was an All American (first in 25 years) even before that run, and lottery pick. Everyone knew how special he was.
Bama hit an SEC record 23 3s to absolutely BLAST LSU on Baton Rouge. Nate Oats is tough
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Unranked Florida crushes #6 Tennessee by 26. Sometimes you're the dog, sometimes you're the hydrant
Haha. That’s a fun saying. I’m using that.
Also great game by Duke. They def look like a team that deserves a spot over MU if it came down to it. 😳
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Freshman Jaden Ivey with the 1v1 step back 3 game winner for a young Purdue team at Ohio St. He had 15. He's getting a lot of good experience as a Freshman.
Ivey is a nice story of an under recruited guard out of South Bend, didn't get many offers, until Purdue offered him after their camp. That was his first big offer and he took it. (Some others tried to come in late.)
https://twitter.com/NCAABuzzerBters/status/1351707744361873409?s=19
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We’ve moved on, but yes, yes he would be. He was an All American (first in 25 years) even before that run, and lottery pick. Everyone knew how special he was.
If D-Wade had back-to-back, first-round losses - with the second coming as a No. 3 seed and largely because he played quite poorly - I don't think he'd be quite as revered.
Thankfully, we'll never get to find out if that is true! Love me some D-Wade.
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Haha. That’s a fun saying. I’m using that.
Also great game by Duke. They def look like a team that deserves a spot over MU if it came down to it. 😳
Seth Greenberg used the similar "somedays you're the dog, somedays you're the tree" line in our old CUSA days.
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Seth Greenberg used the similar "somedays you're the dog, somedays you're the tree" line in our old CUSA days.
Yep. He felt MU had run up the score on one of his USF teams, and hinted that someday they'd be the dog. It never happened.
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There were 15 games scheduled for tonight involving top 25 teams. As of right now, 11 have been postponed and only four are still scheduled to proceed.
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There were 15 games scheduled for tonight involving top 25 teams. As of right now, 11 have been postponed and only four are still scheduled to proceed.
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I'm not seeing your numbers. I only see 11 scheduled games involving top 25 teams and 9 of them being cancelled. Still brutal though. One small consolation, it looks like other than X at UConn, all the postponed games were likely to be laughers.
#5 Texas at Iowa State (88 spot difference in KenPom)
Tulsa at #8 Houston (71)
Northwestern at #10 Wisconsin (57)
#12 Texas Tech at TCU (83)
NC State at #13 Virginia (55)
Boston College at #16 Virginia Tech (55)
#17 Minnesota at Nebraska (103)
Xavier at #23 UConn (22)
#25 Saint Louis at UMass (72)
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I'm not seeing your numbers. I only see 11 scheduled games involving top 25 teams and 9 of them being cancelled. Still brutal though.
Yeah. Seems like the numbers are slightly different on every different website or app I look at (ESPN, CBS Sports, the Score, etc.). It might that some sites remove a previously scheduled game from the day’s schedule when it gets moved to another day(?), while others don’t. Hard to keep track anymore.
Either way, I agree it’s brutal.
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We all hoped this wouldn't be the case. But deep in our hearts, we knew there would be stretches like that. COVID is relentless.
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Kentucky now 4-9.
They got 16 pts from their starters today, 16.
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Kentucky now 4-9.
They got 16 pts from their starters today, 16.
This cant happen often. if anyone wants to give some intersting historical data feel free
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Kentucky now 4-9.
They got 16 pts from their starters today, 16.
To be fair, Cal brought his best player, BJ, Boston, off the bench after starting him every other game this season. Replaced him with a guy averaging 13 minutes a game. Boston scored 18 off the bench. Nor sure why cal made that move.
Still, 16 points from 4 starters and a rotation guy is still impressively bad
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Haha. That’s a fun saying. I’m using that.
Also great game by Duke. They def look like a team that deserves a spot over MU if it came down to it. 😳
https://diddukewin.com/
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To be fair, Cal brought his best player, BJ, Boston, off the bench after starting him every other game this season. Replaced him with a guy averaging 13 minutes a game. Boston scored 18 off the bench. Nor sure why cal made that move.
Still, 16 points from 4 starters and a rotation guy is still impressively bad
Yeah, you can also make the argument that for whatever reason Boston not being a starter is why he played better.......for some reason that move worked.
But the other 4 guys played 113 mins(56.5%) and scored 16 pts(26%). Still don't think you see output like that much if ever haha
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The Great Bobby Hurley choked away a game to Arizona, partly because he kept letting his PG dribble forever before missing desperation shots.
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Purdue player tests positive for Covid. He will miss three games. No pause for Purdue. This is probably the wrong approach but speaks to why the BE has seemingly struggled more than other major conferences to get the games in.
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Was looking forward to seeing how Cade Cunningham did against Baylor today ... but he’s out with COVID-19.
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Yet, he is on the bench. Weird.
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They only said he was out. Anyone who said "with Covid" is suggesting something that OSU didn't say.
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And OK State is still competitive through 25 minutes. Pretty good team.
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They only said he was out. Anyone who said "with Covid" is suggesting something that OSU didn't say.
Had to rewind it. The CBS Sports boardcast said, (COVID-19 Protocal)
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It was fun for 30 minutes. Ok State too shorthanded, Baylor too good.
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Bad day for MU. Lots of bubble teams grabbing good wins. Syracuse, Maryland and Oklahoma all get wins over ranked teams.
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OK State’s zone is more aggressive and more extended than almost any you’ll see. It definitely through off a very veteran Baylor, but they finally figured it out and are on an absolute roll. Baylor’s man to man defense is so good. Really would’ve loved to see a Baylor vs. Gonzaga game.
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Had to rewind it. The CBS Sports boardcast said, (COVID-19 Protocal)
I didn't see it in the OSU release, but it says it here too.
https://twitter.com/JohnWernerTrib/status/1353056898208002053
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Bad day for MU. Lots of bubble teams grabbing good wins. Syracuse, Maryland and Oklahoma all get wins over ranked teams.
for now we can control our own destiny. just keep grinding for wins. no need to worry about whats happening with other teams yet.
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for now we can control our own destiny. just keep grinding for wins. no need to worry about whats happening with other teams yet.
For sure. Not worried, just pointing out a lot of bubble teams got good wins. MU could obviously play themselves off the bubble in either direction.
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Bad day for MU. Lots of bubble teams grabbing good wins. Syracuse, Maryland and Oklahoma all get wins over ranked teams.
Update. Richmond lost to La Salle at home which is good for bubble teams everywhere. I may have overreacted. Carry on.
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All U of Michigan shut down for two weeks by the state. Outbreak of the UK strain within other teams.
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Shaka Smart tests positive for Covid.
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McClung is having a great game tonight. Wow.
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McClung is having a great game tonight. Wow.
Wonder what jaybee would have to say about that. He is mercurial, but sometimes he just goes off.
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This is a heck of a ball game Nuke. Two excellent coaches.
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Seth Davis' latest college hoops notebook in The Athletic filled with stuff that might interest Marquette fans. Here's a sampling ...
Coach of the year
1. Juwan Howard, Michigan. Wolverines were picked to finish sixth in the Big Ten. Today they’re a No. 1 seed. They also have the nation’s No. 1 recruiting class coming in next year.
2. Nate Oats, Alabama. In just his second season in Tuscaloosa, Oats has the Tide running, gunning and guarding. They’re 8-0 in the SEC with an average margin of victory of 16.8 points.
3. Kelvin Sampson, Houston. Just one lousy point has kept the Cougars from being undefeated, but they are ranked in the top 10 even after 6-3 sophomore guard Caleb Mills, the AAC’s preseason player of the year, transferred out in December.
4. Shaka Smart, Texas. A year ago he was on the proverbial hot seat. Now he’s coaching one of the hottest teams in America. The Longhorns’ two losses came by a total of six points, and they are No. 5 in this week’s AP poll.
Oats ... Sampson ... Shaka ... names that were mentioned prominently in a couple of our threads.
Most improved
1. Quentin Grimes, 6-5 junior guard, Houston. The former McDonald’s All-American transferred from Kansas following his freshman year and is averaging 17.6 points, 6.7 rebounds and 2.3 assists for a top-10 team.
Spurned Wojo, sucked for Self, playing well in the AAC.
Underachieving
1. Arizona State (4-7, 1-4 Pac-12). The Sun Devils entered the season with their highest preseason ranking (18) in 12 years, but they’ve lost five games in a row and are in next-to-last place in the Pac-12.
2. LSU (10-4, 5-3 SEC). The Tigers can really score, but they are really, really bad on defense, which is why they have beaten just one top-50 KenPom team and got dominated by a struggling Kentucky team on Saturday.
3. Duke (5-5, 3-3 ACC). The lack of a normal summer and preseason has hurt young teams such as Duke, and the three-game injury to 6-9 freshman forward Jalen Johnson didn’t help. But it’s the end of January and this team full of McDonald’s All-Americans still doesn’t have a quality win.
4. Michigan State (8-4, 2-4 Big Ten). We knew the Spartans would have a tough time replacing Cassius Winston. We just didn’t know it would be this tough.
Big mentions for The Great Bobby Hurley and The Great Joey Hauser.
He’s still in college?
1. Brad Davison, 6-4 senior guard, Wisconsin. Admit it, Big Ten fans: You’re gonna miss him when he’s gone.
I'll miss Floppy McDickpuncher in the games in Milwaukee. He was the worst player on the court both times, and we might not have won either game without his ineptitude.
Worst losses
5. DePaul 68, Marquette 61, Jan. 23. When you’re a bubble team trying to make your case, a home loss to a winless team in your league is suboptimal.
Ugh. Shoot me now.
Bubble watch
1. Michigan State (8-4, 2-4 Big Ten). The Spartans’ best wins have come at Duke and home against Rutgers. But they are 0-4 in Quad 1 games and have much work to do.
Only a matter of time before Mommy H. edits Joey's next mutiny letter.
Second-half storylines
5. Will there be much of a coaching carousel? Between hard-hit athletic department budgets and the consensus that it’s hard to blame coaches for losing games amid all the disruptions, a lot of guys who would otherwise be shown the door will probably get a reprieve.
Sad, but probably true.
Quick thoughts
• There are a bunch of reasons why Rutgers is struggling but here’s a big one: The Scarlet Knights are the ninth-worst free-throw shooting team in the country (57.0). That’s not how you get Capone.
Stupid thought, Seth. ftsnomatta!
• The next two weeks should bring more clarity about the fate of conference tournaments. Between the grind of a disrupted season and the risk of someone on an NCAA Tournament team contracting the virus, I anticipate we will see many tournaments either being moved earlier (to make it easier to comply with the NCAA Tournament’s seven-day testing protocol) or canceled. The financial upside of these tournaments is not as big as you’d think, especially if fans are attending in reduced numbers or not at all.
Wonder what the BET contingency plan is.
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Seth Davis' latest college hoops notebook in The Athletic filled with stuff that might interest Marquette fans. Here's a sampling ...
Coach of the year
1. Juwan Howard, Michigan. Wolverines were picked to finish sixth in the Big Ten. Today they’re a No. 1 seed. They also have the nation’s No. 1 recruiting class coming in next year.
2. Nate Oats, Alabama. In just his second season in Tuscaloosa, Oats has the Tide running, gunning and guarding. They’re 8-0 in the SEC with an average margin of victory of 16.8 points.
3. Kelvin Sampson, Houston. Just one lousy point has kept the Cougars from being undefeated, but they are ranked in the top 10 even after 6-3 sophomore guard Caleb Mills, the AAC’s preseason player of the year, transferred out in December.
4. Shaka Smart, Texas. A year ago he was on the proverbial hot seat. Now he’s coaching one of the hottest teams in America. The Longhorns’ two losses came by a total of six points, and they are No. 5 in this week’s AP poll.
Oats ... Sampson ... Shaka ... names that were mentioned prominently in a couple of our threads.
Most improved
1. Quentin Grimes, 6-5 junior guard, Houston. The former McDonald’s All-American transferred from Kansas following his freshman year and is averaging 17.6 points, 6.7 rebounds and 2.3 assists for a top-10 team.
Spurned Wojo, sucked for Self, playing well in the AAC.
Underachieving
1. Arizona State (4-7, 1-4 Pac-12). The Sun Devils entered the season with their highest preseason ranking (18) in 12 years, but they’ve lost five games in a row and are in next-to-last place in the Pac-12.
2. LSU (10-4, 5-3 SEC). The Tigers can really score, but they are really, really bad on defense, which is why they have beaten just one top-50 KenPom team and got dominated by a struggling Kentucky team on Saturday.
3. Duke (5-5, 3-3 ACC). The lack of a normal summer and preseason has hurt young teams such as Duke, and the three-game injury to 6-9 freshman forward Jalen Johnson didn’t help. But it’s the end of January and this team full of McDonald’s All-Americans still doesn’t have a quality win.
4. Michigan State (8-4, 2-4 Big Ten). We knew the Spartans would have a tough time replacing Cassius Winston. We just didn’t know it would be this tough.
Big mentions for The Great Bobby Hurley and The Great Joey Hauser.
He’s still in college?
1. Brad Davison, 6-4 senior guard, Wisconsin. Admit it, Big Ten fans: You’re gonna miss him when he’s gone.
I'll miss Floppy McDickpuncher in the games in Milwaukee. He was the worst player on the court both times, and we might not have won either game without his ineptitude.
Worst losses
5. DePaul 68, Marquette 61, Jan. 23. When you’re a bubble team trying to make your case, a home loss to a winless team in your league is suboptimal.
Ugh. Shoot me now.
Bubble watch
1. Michigan State (8-4, 2-4 Big Ten). The Spartans’ best wins have come at Duke and home against Rutgers. But they are 0-4 in Quad 1 games and have much work to do.
Only a matter of time before Mommy H. edits Joey's next mutiny letter.
Second-half storylines
5. Will there be much of a coaching carousel? Between hard-hit athletic department budgets and the consensus that it’s hard to blame coaches for losing games amid all the disruptions, a lot of guys who would otherwise be shown the door will probably get a reprieve.
Sad, but probably true.
Quick thoughts
• There are a bunch of reasons why Rutgers is struggling but here’s a big one: The Scarlet Knights are the ninth-worst free-throw shooting team in the country (57.0). That’s not how you get Capone.
Stupid thought, Seth. ftsnomatta!
• The next two weeks should bring more clarity about the fate of conference tournaments. Between the grind of a disrupted season and the risk of someone on an NCAA Tournament team contracting the virus, I anticipate we will see many tournaments either being moved earlier (to make it easier to comply with the NCAA Tournament’s seven-day testing protocol) or canceled. The financial upside of these tournaments is not as big as you’d think, especially if fans are attending in reduced numbers or not at all.
Wonder what the BET contingency plan is.
Regarding the Big East Tournament contingency. I'd just play it in Indianapolis. Then whoever qualifies for the dance stays there giving enough quarantine time beforehand.
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Seth Davis' latest college hoops notebook in The Athletic filled with stuff that might interest Marquette fans. Here's a sampling ...
• The next two weeks should bring more clarity about the fate of conference tournaments. Between the grind of a disrupted season and the risk of someone on an NCAA Tournament team contracting the virus, I anticipate we will see many tournaments either being moved earlier (to make it easier to comply with the NCAA Tournament’s seven-day testing protocol) or canceled. The financial upside of these tournaments is not as big as you’d think, especially if fans are attending in reduced numbers or not at all.
Wonder what the BET contingency plan is.
cancel them Teams who are locks for the tourney are already saying they won't play in them.
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Bradley falls to 9-7 (3-4) after getting swept at home by Loyola Chicago (13-3, 8-1) in back to back games.
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Made the mistake of watching some of the Duke game tonight. Not only are they not that good, Hurts shooting motion is painful to watch and the offense is slow and plodding.
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Made the mistake of watching some of the Duke game tonight. Not only are they not that good, Hurts shooting motion is painful to watch and the offense is slow and plodding.
Yes, but did Coach K ask another student reporter what their major was? And if they felt empathetic to others after taking an Econ Final? Props to that kid who paused, was like WTF, and then uttered his major..
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Yes, but did Coach K ask another student reporter what their major was? And if they felt empathetic to others after taking an Econ Final? Props to that kid who paused, was like WTF, and then uttered his major..
K is typical of those who have been adored dictators. The kid asked a perfectly fine, even innocuous, question. At least K did apologize, which is more than most dictators ever do, but he still looked like a turd.
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K is typical of those who have been adored dictators. The kid asked a perfectly fine, even innocuous, question. At least K did apologize, which is more than most dictators ever do, but he still looked like a turd.
Agreed. And again, props to that young reporter. Because I probably would have responded with some rather colorful language to that absurd retort by Coach Mao. In my movie version Coach Mao would be that dude eating the Kahuna Burger in Pulp Fiction after his buddy gets whacked on the couch by Samuel L. Jackson. You know the classic; "Oh. you were finished? Well allow me to retort." I have very little patience for those that engage in douchebaggery. Just sayin...
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Agreed. And again, props to that young reporter. Because I probably would have responded with some rather colorful language to that absurd retort by Coach Mao. In my movie version Coach Mao would be that dude eating the Kahuna Burger in Pulp Fiction after his buddy gets whacked on the coach by Samuel L. Jackson. You know the classic; "Oh. you were finished? Well allow me to retort." I have very little patience for those that engage in douchebaggery. Just sayin...
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Well said!
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Rutgers is blowing out Mich St.
MU could play Duke or Mich Stm in the NIT?
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Rutgers bombs Michigan State, 67-37.
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Sparty first game back after an extended COVID break. Plus, this is the Sparty team most lacking in leadership that I can remember under Izzo.
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Will Belmont's 20 game league winning streak end tonight? ESPNU. Casey Alexander in his 2nd year as Head Coach there. (won the league last year) He helped Rick Byrd achieve 6 of Belmont's first 8 NCAA's an as assistant. Won 30 games as a player there 3 times. And coached Lipscomb to their only NCAA appearance and NIT Finals a few years ago.
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Sparty first game back after an extended COVID break. Plus, this is the Sparty team most lacking in leadership that I can remember under Izzo.
13 of the 15 players on the team have tested positive for COVID, in addition to Izzo. That’s ridiculous. Shut it down, Sparty.
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Sparty first game back after an extended COVID break. Plus, this is the Sparty team most lacking in leadership that I can remember under Izzo.
Well, we know they have a leader if the "game" is letter-writing!
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Rutgers is blowing out Mich St.
MU could play Duke or Mich Stm in the NIT?
Rutgers’ move down from the Big East to the Big Ten so they could be more competitive is finally paying off.
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Well, we know they have a leader if the "game" is letter-writing!
Yes.
That was a Samuel Richardson masterpiece by H and H.
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I thought he was an overrated chucker at Gtown, but my god Mac McClung is a GAMER. Just relentless pressure and no quit hitting big shots and forcing a huge steal made LSU totally collapse
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I thought he was an overrated chucker at Gtown, but my god Mac McClung is a GAMER. Just relentless pressure and no quit hitting big shots and forcing a huge steal made LSU totally collapse
He was huge. That was also quite the meltdown by LSU.
Pretty sure the other old gtown kid is the one who bricked the 1 and 1 that opened the door. Unless its a different LeBlanc.
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Mac McClung was outstanding for Tech in the end. Two big three point shots and a steal.
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Penn St. is about to take out the Weasel/Rodents.
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He was huge. That was also quite the meltdown by LSU.
Pretty sure the other old gtown kid is the one who bricked the 1 and 1 that opened the door. Unless its a different LeBlanc.
Nope, that’s Josh Leblanc, one in the same.
Penn St. is about to take out the Weasel/Rodents.
Absolutely DOMINATED them in the second half. Lordy. PSU hit every shot they needed to, made FTs when it counted...and Wisky pissed themselves at every chance down the stretch. They were something like 1 for 6 with 3 TOs when the game was within reach for the first 2-3 min after the under 4 TO.
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Stunned by the 20 point 2nd half swing in the UVA/Va Tech game. To think that the Hokies first got Buzz and then another guy who apparently knows how to coach, especially defense, is just another kick in the stomach for MU fans. There are good coaches out there from smaller schools.
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Good to see Kansas get destroyed.
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Never have I seen an Izzo team so rudderless. No leadership, no toughness.
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MSU is not a good basketball team. No PG and playing poor defense.
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Loyola up 20-2 on Mizzou St.
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MSU is not a good basketball team. No PG and playing poor defense.
No PG is a good thing, right? Doesn't that mean Joey gets all the shots?
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Has Joey written a letter yet?
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We may be on our way to a season where the rankings do not include Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Michigan State or Kansas.
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We may be on our way to a season where the rankings do not include Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Michigan State or Kansas.
At least MU is in with good company.
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So we are a blue blood this year.
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Boston College will only be able to dress four scholarship players against FSU tomorrow night. What a joke that the ACC won't cancel it.
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Boston College will only be able to dress four scholarship players against FSU tomorrow night. What a joke that the ACC won't cancel it.
Who cares if its cancled or not
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Duke lost again. They are not a tourney team, nor are Kentucky and Mich St
:)
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We may be on our way to a season where the rankings do not include Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Michigan State or Kansas.
Also looking like they’re out of the mix: Grambling State, Praire View A+M, De Paul and Marquette. What a year!
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Just saw 2 interesting things while watching Bad Beats on Sportscenter.
1. Chris Beard chose not to foul up 3 and won. Repeat ... the great Chris Beard chose not to foul up 3. Self and Cal are two other coaches who usually do not foul up 3. So those who say it's some kind of automatic "must-do no-brainer," I guess y'all need to chat with 2 coaches who have won natties and another who is considered one of the best in the biz.
2. In their home game against LSU last week, Buzz's TAMU squad led 66-60 with 8:50 to go. They never scored another point. They missed their final 15 FGs as well as their FTs. And they rarely even tried to take the ball to the rim, jacking up one wild 3 after another. By the time the game was over, Buzz had taken off his jacket, his vest, his tie and his dress shirt, and his torso was covered only in his white undershirt.
The game was on Bad Beats because you can bet on how many points one team scores, and that number for TAMU was 67 1/2. So if you had the over, all you needed was for Buzz's Bunch to make one more bucket over the final 8:50 ... and they didn't do it. Which is pretty effen amazing.
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Just saw 2 interesting things while watching Bad Beats on Sportscenter.
1. Chris Beard chose not to foul up 3 and won. Repeat ... the great Chris Beard chose not to foul up 3. Self and Cal are two other coaches who usually do not foul up 3. So those who say it's some kind of automatic "must-do no-brainer," I guess y'all need to chat with 2 coaches who have won natties and another who is considered one of the best in the biz.
To be fair, TTU is well known as a tenacious and well coached defensive team, so it kind of makes sense for their brand. I’d expect the same from someone like UVA too.
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To be fair, TTU is well known as a tenacious and well coached defensive team, so it kind of makes sense for their brand. I’d expect the same from someone like UVA too.
That definitely is fair, Wags. And TTU certainly is a well-coached team - as is Oklahoma, which helped make last night's game a pleasure to watch.
I just chuckle every time I hear a Scooper say that you HAVE TO foul up 3 ... because three of the most accomplished coaches in college basketball (and others) beg to differ. BTW, so did Majerus, who liked to say the only way to lose in regulation with a 3-point lead was to foul to prevent a 3-point attempt.
One other thing about Beard: He let McClung totally take over the game. It was like watching Wojo letting Markus take over. Every possession down the stretch was Mac, Mac, Mac. Didn't matter if other TT players were open or not; Mac was shooting. Last night, he made the big plays. In the previous game, he didn't and they lost.
I love the way TT gets after teams on D, though. That's a million miles from anything Wojo does, that's for sure.
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“I didn’t think we competed. I thought we were soft. I saw it in practice yesterday and tried to take steps to change that. We were not able to change it. I’m really disappointed in our team."
-- K, after Duke's loss to Miami.
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“I didn’t think we competed. I thought we were soft. I saw it in practice yesterday and tried to take steps to change that. We were not able to change it. I’m really disappointed in our team."
-- K, after Duke's loss to Miami.
“I did what I could, but the players didn’t listen.“
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“I did what I could, but the players didn’t listen.“
Say what you will about Wojo but he's never thrown the players under the bus like K has
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Say what you will about Wojo but he's never thrown the players under the bus like K has
K has the credibility, and the rings.
But yes, he can be a real pr!ck. "It's not on me, it's on you. I gave you everything you needed to win." That's weak.
Maybe he was upset because there was no student reporter he could scream at.
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“I didn’t think we competed. I thought we were soft. I saw it in practice yesterday and tried to take steps to change that. We were not able to change it. I’m really disappointed in our team."
-- K, after Duke's loss to Miami.
He's extremely unlikable.
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To be fair, TTU is well known as a tenacious and well coached defensive team, so it kind of makes sense for their brand. I’d expect the same from someone like UVA too.
FWIW, Brad Underwood DID foul up 3 as Illinois beat Indiana tonight, and it worked perfectly.
Wojo DIDN'T foul up 3 and it could have bit him on the butt, as Butler's best 3-point shooter was open, but the shooter missed.
I think that most of the time I wouldn't foul, but I'm not in the heat of the moment so I'm not 100% certain what I would actually do.
As a middle-school coach, I know I'm sure as heck not fouling in that situation!
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Doctors say heart condition that led to Keyontae Johnson's collapse isn't COVID-related.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gatorswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/03/keyontae-johnson-collapse-heart-condition-not-covid-related-florida/amp/
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#5 undefeated Houston loses to ECU. A team that averages 67 points a game and 30% from 3 shoots 46% from deep and puts up 82 on one of the better defensive teams in the country. Wild.
ECU hadn’t beaten a ranked opponent since that awful loss Marquette had there in 02-03. Talk about a mediocre program
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Doctors say heart condition that led to Keyontae Johnson's collapse isn't COVID-related.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/gatorswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/03/keyontae-johnson-collapse-heart-condition-not-covid-related-florida/amp/
I don’t know if this is good or bad news for him. From what I read when they thought it did have to do with myocarditis from covid, it sounded like he could come back in a few months. Does this mean he has a different heart condition? Maybe like a cardiomyopathy that is more common in athletes? And seems more serious in terms of being able to return to high level athletics?
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I don’t know if this is good or bad news for him. From what I read when they thought it did have to do with myocarditis from covid, it sounded like he could come back in a few months. Does this mean he has a different heart condition? Maybe like a cardiomyopathy that is more common in athletes? And seems more serious in terms of being able to return to high level athletics?
It’s hard to say if this will be career-ending without knowing the cause. Acute myocarditis caused by viral illnesses (Covid or otherwise) often resolves as the patient recovers from the virus. But it can also be caused by illnesses like Lupus, which have a more progressive long-term course.
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It’s hard to say if this will be career-ending without knowing the cause. Acute myocarditis caused by viral illnesses (Covid or otherwise) often resolves as the patient recovers from the virus. But it can also be caused by illnesses like Lupus, which have a more progressive long-term course.
Got it, thanks. I’d be terrified to return to athletics if I collapsed. A guy I play pickup basketball with collapsed and we had to shock him twice with an AED to get him to come to. He had open heart surgery and was back playing basketball a little under a year later. I’m not sure I’d have the courage to go back to that.
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Say what you will about Wojo but he's never thrown the players under the bus like K has
Really? Didn’t he take the team’s MU gear away from the team and make them practice in plain white tshirts? And didn’t he do it loudly and publicly?
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Really? Didn’t he take the team’s MU gear away from the team and make them practice in plain white tshirts? And didn’t he do it loudly and publicly?
That's what you're standing on? I heard he also yelled at them for turnovers too! By your logic any coaching maneuver that becomes public gimmick or not is throwing the kids under the buss. Was buzz throwing the kids under the bus for not being conditioned for boot camp?
These aren't comparable situations and you know it. Wojo has repeatedly said "it's on me" "don't go after my guys" "I need to get better"
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He opened up every starting position two weeks after beating #1 Villanova and said every starting position would be won by who practiced the hardest. Heldt began starting over Luke. JjJ had a DNP/CD.
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That's what you're standing on? I heard he also yelled at them for turnovers too! By your logic any coaching maneuver that becomes public gimmick or not is throwing the kids under the buss. Was buzz throwing the kids under the bus for not being conditioned for boot camp?
These aren't comparable situations and you know it. Wojo has repeatedly said "it's on me" "don't go after my guys" "I need to get better"
Galway
You said Wojo never threw his players under the bus. I brought up a situation where he did. I didn’t say he did it because he’s an ass%ole or a bad guy. He was trying to motivate his team. And yes, Buzz did it at times, too. Almost all coaches do.
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Got it, thanks. I’d be terrified to return to athletics if I collapsed. A guy I play pickup basketball with collapsed and we had to shock him twice with an AED to get him to come to. He had open heart surgery and was back playing basketball a little under a year later. I’m not sure I’d have the courage to go back to that.
Agreed. Even with the green light from my doctors, I think I would always wonder.
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Galway
You said Wojo never threw his players under the bus. I brought up a situation where he did. I didn’t say he did it because he’s an ass%ole or a bad guy. He was trying to motivate his team. And yes, Buzz did it at times, too. Almost all coaches do.
Ok since were splitting very minor hairs and you couldn't understand what I was talking about in the context of Coach K (his mentor) then let me be clear "he doesn't throw the players under the bus directly to the media the way coach K has. That's coach K meaning the Duke coach not knight or any other K named coach."
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#5 undefeated Houston loses to ECU. A team that averages 67 points a game and 30% from 3 shoots 46% from deep and puts up 82 on one of the better defensive teams in the country. Wild.
ECU hadn’t beaten a ranked opponent since that awful loss Marquette had there in 02-03. Talk about a mediocre program
Picking a nit, but Houston lost to Tulsa earlier this year. But definitely a crazy result.
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Ok since were splitting very minor hairs and you couldn't understand what I was talking about in the context of Coach K (his mentor) then let me be clear "he doesn't throw the players under the bus directly to the media the way coach K has. That's coach K meaning the Duke coach not knight or any other K named coach."
I don’t follow K’s public pronouncements on his own team (or on anything else, for that matter). If your point was that he routinely throws his players under the bus I’ll take your word for it. And that would set him apart from, say, Wojo or Buzz, who only do it on occasion. But that’s not how I read what you posted. Sorry.
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Picking a nit, but Houston lost to Tulsa earlier this year. But definitely a crazy result.
You’re correct. The sports app hadn’t updated their record when I looked back at the box score
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With Pitt beating Va Tech and St. John's beating Nova, each of the Champaignie twins had a double-double in an upset win. Pretty cool.
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Would you take Gonzaga and Baylor vs the field? It seems to me there is a significant drop after these two teams.
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Would you take Gonzaga and Baylor vs the field? It seems to me there is a significant drop after these two teams.
Those are usually sucker bets but this is an odd year. I think I would.
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Those are usually sucker bets but this is an odd year. I think I would.
Me too. I love Baylor's toughness, and the way they impose their will on their opponents. And the Zags can flat-out score (and play).
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It truly is a crazy year. I think both teams have not played a game this year that was really in doubt.
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Would you take Gonzaga and Baylor vs the field? It seems to me there is a significant drop after these two teams.
100%.
Its obviously not a lock that one of these 2 wins. But its the legit smart bet this year.
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Does Timme think that facial hair is funny? Cute?
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Would you take Gonzaga and Baylor vs the field? It seems to me there is a significant drop after these two teams.
I don’t think I would. I still remember in 2003 when Dickie V was furious that Kentucky and Arizona wouldn’t meet in the national championship game. A lot of experts seemed to agree that those two teams (particularly Kentucky) were a cut above the rest.
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Boston College will only be able to dress four scholarship players against FSU tomorrow night. What a joke that the ACC won't cancel it.
Will be a memorable experience for the Scout team kids
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Those are usually sucker bets but this is an odd year. I think I would.
Agreed. Especially seeing what those two have done against other teams perceived to be contenders. Between the two of them, they only have one win decided by fewer than 8 points, GU's 5-point win over West Virginia. I really think those two are just in a different class. Really hope we get a matchup of unbeatens in the NCAA Final.
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I really think those two are just in a different class. Really hope we get a matchup of unbeatens in the NCAA Final.
I expect you'll be disappointed.
edit: but hey, too bad their early season game was "postponed"
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I expect you'll be disappointed.
edit: but hey, too bad their early season game was "postponed"
Odds would say I am disappointed, but the kenpom numbers are shocking. The difference in adjusted efficiency between Baylor and Gonzaga is less than a half-point (0.47 in favor of Baylor) but the difference to the next best team from #1 Baylor is over 7.2 points (6.8 from Gonzaga). For comparison, here's how far you have to go to find the team 7.2 point worse than the top team:
2020: #8 Michigan State
2019: #9 Purdue
2018: #5 Purdue
2017: #10 Oregon
2016: #7 Louisville
2015: #7 Gonzaga
2014: #13 Kentucky
2013: #7 Ohio State
2012: #7 Missouri
2011: #5 Texas
2010: #5 West Virginia
2009: #12 UCLA
2008: #5 Wisconsin
2007: #10 Duke
2006: #14 Ohio State
2005: #6 Oklahoma State
2004: #8 Georgia Tech
2003: #14 Mississippi State
2002: #8 Illinois
So the disparity between those top two teams and the rest of the field is historic by kenpom margins. Not only that, but of the 18 NCAA Tournaments played in that span, the eventual National Champion was within that margin 16 times. The only exceptions were 2011 UConn (-8.5) and 2014 UConn (-8.3). If we use that (admittedly arbitrary, but fairly reliable) 7.2 margin from the top team on down as the number of true National Championship contenders, since the NC winner comes from that group 88.9% of the time, that means there are only two NC contenders this year.
Well...given past history, I guess three, since you have to include UConn ;D
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brew, I just hope they actually let everybody play the games instead of letting kenpom decide it.
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brew, I just hope they actually let everybody play the games instead of letting kenpom decide it.
Sure, but one of the questions was Baylor/Gonzaga or the field. The statistical significance of those two teams disparity from the rest of college basketball seemed relevant in that context.
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Odds would say I am disappointed, but the kenpom numbers are shocking. The difference in adjusted efficiency between Baylor and Gonzaga is less than a half-point (0.47 in favor of Baylor) but the difference to the next best team from #1 Baylor is over 7.2 points (6.8 from Gonzaga). For comparison, here's how far you have to go to find the team 7.2 point worse than the top team:
2020: #8 Michigan State
2019: #9 Purdue
2018: #5 Purdue
2017: #10 Oregon
2016: #7 Louisville
2015: #7 Gonzaga
2014: #13 Kentucky
2013: #7 Ohio State
2012: #7 Missouri
2011: #5 Texas
2010: #5 West Virginia
2009: #12 UCLA
2008: #5 Wisconsin
2007: #10 Duke
2006: #14 Ohio State
2005: #6 Oklahoma State
2004: #8 Georgia Tech
2003: #14 Mississippi State
2002: #8 Illinois
So the disparity between those top two teams and the rest of the field is historic by kenpom margins. Not only that, but of the 18 NCAA Tournaments played in that span, the eventual National Champion was within that margin 16 times. The only exceptions were 2011 UConn (-8.5) and 2014 UConn (-8.3). If we use that (admittedly arbitrary, but fairly reliable) 7.2 margin from the top team on down as the number of true National Championship contenders, since the NC winner comes from that group 88.9% of the time, that means there are only two NC contenders this year.
Well...given past history, I guess three, since you have to include UConn ;D
Awesome
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Sure, but one of the questions was Baylor/Gonzaga or the field. The statistical significance of those two teams disparity from the rest of college basketball seemed relevant in that context.
Oh, I know you were just providing info. It's interesting to read.
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UNC has to cancel two hours before tipoff after video surfaces of players partying after beating a mediocre Duke squad:
The UNC men's basketball team's Monday night game against the Miami Hurricanes has been postponed, the ACC announced two hours before tipoff.
"The postponement follows a meeting of personnel from both schools, who mutually concluded the game could not move forward today," the conference said in a statement.
A video obtained by The Daily Tar Heel, UNC's student newspaper, showed two UNC players partying maskless alongside other students on Saturday after the Tar Heels' win over in-state rival Duke.
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Odds would say I am disappointed, but the kenpom numbers are shocking. The difference in adjusted efficiency between Baylor and Gonzaga is less than a half-point (0.47 in favor of Baylor) but the difference to the next best team from #1 Baylor is over 7.2 points (6.8 from Gonzaga). For comparison, here's how far you have to go to find the team 7.2 point worse than the top team:
2020: #8 Michigan State
2019: #9 Purdue
2018: #5 Purdue
2017: #10 Oregon
2016: #7 Louisville
2015: #7 Gonzaga
2014: #13 Kentucky
2013: #7 Ohio State
2012: #7 Missouri
2011: #5 Texas
2010: #5 West Virginia
2009: #12 UCLA
2008: #5 Wisconsin
2007: #10 Duke
2006: #14 Ohio State
2005: #6 Oklahoma State
2004: #8 Georgia Tech
2003: #14 Mississippi State
2002: #8 Illinois
So the disparity between those top two teams and the rest of the field is historic by kenpom margins. Not only that, but of the 18 NCAA Tournaments played in that span, the eventual National Champion was within that margin 16 times. The only exceptions were 2011 UConn (-8.5) and 2014 UConn (-8.3). If we use that (admittedly arbitrary, but fairly reliable) 7.2 margin from the top team on down as the number of true National Championship contenders, since the NC winner comes from that group 88.9% of the time, that means there are only two NC contenders this year.
Well...given past history, I guess three, since you have to include UConn ;D
I can't help but wonder if the lack of inter-conference play has really jacked with the analytics this year. I'm sure they've run the numbers to make sure things are statistically significant... but they sure haven't made them public.
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UNC has to cancel two hours before tipoff after video surfaces of players partying after beating a mediocre Duke squad:
The UNC men's basketball team's Monday night game against the Miami Hurricanes has been postponed, the ACC announced two hours before tipoff.
"The postponement follows a meeting of personnel from both schools, who mutually concluded the game could not move forward today," the conference said in a statement.
A video obtained by The Daily Tar Heel, UNC's student newspaper, showed two UNC players partying maskless alongside other students on Saturday after the Tar Heels' win over in-state rival Duke.
UNC has been sending out countless email to Athletes and Their Families urging them to take precautions, but I guess the joy of beating Duke overwhelmed all the best laid plains of virus management.
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UNC has to cancel two hours before tipoff after video surfaces of players partying after beating a mediocre Duke squad:
The UNC men's basketball team's Monday night game against the Miami Hurricanes has been postponed, the ACC announced two hours before tipoff.
"The postponement follows a meeting of personnel from both schools, who mutually concluded the game could not move forward today," the conference said in a statement.
A video obtained by The Daily Tar Heel, UNC's student newspaper, showed two UNC players partying maskless alongside other students on Saturday after the Tar Heels' win over in-state rival Duke.
If the NCAAT is going to be in bubble or modified bubble, should a team's demonstrated inability to take COVID precautions be a factor when it comes time to issue invitations?
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First time Duke and Kentucky both under .500 since1974 (per ESPN).
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Huggy is furious after his team allowed an easy dunk. It appears he has not gotten on the treadmill during the C-19 lockdown. Love the guy but I'm concerned his health. 315-330 easily right now.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/watch-texas-tech-coach-chris-beard-sits-on-floor-bumps-fists-with-bob-huggins-to-earn-hilarious-ejection/
The best part is he goes over to fistbump Huggy. You know Huggy was loving it.
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Really good article on why college basketball stinks this year.
https://robdauster.substack.com/p/hitting-the-pandemic-wall?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoyNjE4NjAwLCJwb3N0X2lkIjozMjQ5NTQ4MywiXyI6IjFsYjRPIiwiaWF0IjoxNjEzMjI3ODUwLCJleHAiOjE2MTMyMzE0NTAsImlzcyI6InB1Yi03OTI1MiIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.rHRfyKiMmgg2WT9ES4Wh_zLY4-Qi13wr4U0IfS9fpyI
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I am glad someone is writing the obvious. But, along with so many other things COVID related, it will need to be discussed further in hindsight.
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Really good article on why college basketball stinks this year.
https://robdauster.substack.com/p/hitting-the-pandemic-wall?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoyNjE4NjAwLCJwb3N0X2lkIjozMjQ5NTQ4MywiXyI6IjFsYjRPIiwiaWF0IjoxNjEzMjI3ODUwLCJleHAiOjE2MTMyMzE0NTAsImlzcyI6InB1Yi03OTI1MiIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.rHRfyKiMmgg2WT9ES4Wh_zLY4-Qi13wr4U0IfS9fpyI
This guy seems to be angling for a job with The Defector and their ‘Death to the NCAA’” series.
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Loyola v Drake on ESPN 2. Is this an audition?
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Drake's a better team, hey?
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Two pretty good teams. Drake is missing a key player.
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Wow Drake had three consecutive E8's? Back when MU was dominating the world. I had no idea.
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Top 16 seeds are out just now on CBS
Top 16 is below:
1. Gonzaga
2. Baylor
3. Michigan
4. Ohio State
5. Illinois
6. Villanova
7. Alabama
8. Houston
9. Virginia
10. West Virginia
11. Tennessee
12. Oklahoma
13. Iowa
14. Texas Tech
15. Texas
16. Missouri
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Soft rims at Drake.
Drake is playing well, given that they are missing one of their top players. I like their quickness.
A guy who wasn't good enough to play at Seton Hall is one of Drake's better players.
Really bad 'stache on the Loyola center who shot an airball on a 3-foot hook shot.
Both teams seem well-enough coached so far. Some sloppy turnovers, but that happens.
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Soft rims at Drake.
Drake is playing well, given that they are missing one of their top players. I like their quickness.
A guy who wasn't good enough to play at Seton Hall is one of Drake's better players.
Really bad 'stache on the Loyola center who shot an airball on a 3-foot hook shot.
Both teams seem well-enough coached so far. Some sloppy turnovers, but that happens.
I would love to have that Ramblers center on MU. Krutwig is very good and consistent.
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Top 16 seeds are out just now on CBS
Top 16 is below:
1. Gonzaga
2. Baylor
3. Michigan
4. Ohio State
5. Illinois
6. Villanova
7. Alabama
8. Houston
9. Virginia
10. West Virginia
11. Tennessee
12. Oklahoma
13. Iowa
14. Texas Tech
15. Texas
16. Missouri
Wow! No PAC12 team.
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Top 16 seeds are out just now on CBS
Top 16 is below:
1. Gonzaga
2. Baylor
3. Michigan
4. Ohio State
5. Illinois
6. Villanova
7. Alabama
8. Houston
9. Virginia
10. West Virginia
11. Tennessee
12. Oklahoma
13. Iowa
14. Texas Tech
15. Texas
16. Missouri
Who would be your top 5 college players? Garza appears to be a lock as POY. I'll tell you who has really impressed me: EJ Liddell. Every time I've seen that team he's shredding dudes. Excellent player.
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Sew, tOSU musta recruited write over Carton, hey?
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Soft rims at Drake.
Drake is playing well, given that they are missing one of their top players. I like their quickness.
A guy who wasn't good enough to play at Seton Hall is one of Drake's better players.
Really bad 'stache on the Loyola center who shot an airball on a 3-foot hook shot.
Both teams seem well-enough coached so far. Some sloppy turnovers, but that happens.
Who is winning the cuddles?
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Loyola is fundamentally sound on both ends of the floor. It's too bad Robbins left Drake. Anyhow, for those hoping Moser to MU? His team is impressive.
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Who would be your top 5 college players? Garza appears to be a lock as POY. I'll tell you who has really impressed me: EJ Liddell. Every time I've seen that team he's shredding dudes. Excellent player.
Suggs from Gonzaga is special.
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Suggs from Gonzaga is special.
Absolutely. I think Garza, Butler, and Suggs would be there. Not sure about spots 4 and 5.
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Iowa up 17 at Mich St. in East Lansing. I'm not impressed by Joey's defense.
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Iowa up 17 at Mich St. in East Lansing. I'm not impressed by Joey's defense.
If it wasn’t obvious earlier in the year, MSU STINKS
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Iowa up 17 at Mich St. in East Lansing. I'm not impressed by Joey's defense.
Were you ever?
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Were you ever?
Touche Tower..
Slightly better than a 6'9 chair?
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Joey had 2 points before extended garbage time began. Finished with 9 in 24 mins.
Hard to say his college career has been anything short of a major disappointment so far. Obviously, he'll have another year at Michigan State to prove otherwise. Offensively, at least, he still has a chance to be an impact player.
Amazing that Michigan State is so bad this season, though it fits right into the this year's Blueblood Blowage theme.
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Need a PG.
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Loyola is fundamentally sound on both ends of the floor. It's too bad Robbins left Drake. Anyhow, for those hoping Moser to MU? His team is impressive.
Get ready for lots more of that with immediate eligibility. Mid majors who fund an under the radar guy, develop him into a top flight player, just to see him poached by a high major.
I would be disappointed if we hired Moser,
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Get ready for lots more of that with immediate eligibility. Mid majors who fund an under the radar guy, develop him into a top flight player, just to see him poached by a high major.
I would be disappointed if we hired Moser,
And more guys from high majors will be able to got to mid majors to be stars there. The mid-major star gets a chance at the big leagues and the high major benchwarmers gets a chance for stardom. Both schools get quality players. Sounds like wins all around!
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And more guys from high majors will be able to got to mid majors to be stars there. The mid-major star gets a chance at the big leagues and the high major benchwarmers gets a chance for stardom. Both schools get quality players. Sounds like wins all around!
A lot of those guys stopping down won’t be doing so willingly. They are signing four year agreements the being told to hit the road. Yeah, that’s the same. We take your best, you get our scraps.
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A lot of those guys stopping down won’t be doing so willingly. They are signing four year agreements the being told to hit the road. Yeah, that’s the same. We take your best, you get our scraps.
Yeah, the only reason that ever happens is because kids are allowed to transfer without having to sit out a year.
Oh wait.
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Just saw that MSU managed to lose at home to Iowa by 10,000 points even though Garza only scored 8.
Joey’s better than Garza!!
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A lot of those guys stopping down won’t be doing so willingly. They are signing four year agreements the being told to hit the road. Yeah, that’s the same. We take your best, you get our scraps.
If a coach is truly taking their scholarship away that is wrong and shouldn't happen. If the coach is being honest about their future playing time and encouraging them to transfer, there's nothing wrong with that.
Having tracked transfers for the past 6 or 7 years I've found that the high major scraps who transfer down often end up as good and often better than the mid-major stars who transfer up. A lot more players transferring down or laterally than players moving up. Plenty of opportunity for mid-majors to have success on the transfer market.
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Just saw that MSU managed to lose at home to Iowa by 10,000 points even though Garza only scored 8.
Joey’s better than Garza!!
That game was over within the first 8 mins. Izzo looked distraught.
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And more guys from high majors will be able to got to mid majors to be stars there. The mid-major star gets a chance at the big leagues and the high major benchwarmers gets a chance for stardom. Both schools get quality players. Sounds like wins all around!
TAMU
Do you really think this will be a “push” where both high and mid majors benefit? I think there will be anecdotal evidence of that, but overall the rich will get richer.
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That game was over within the first 8 mins. Izzo looked distraught.
I believe that was Izzo's worst home loss of his career... complete beatdown.
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TAMU
Do you really think this will be a “push” where both high and mid majors benefit? I think there will be anecdotal evidence of that, but overall the rich will get richer.
I think coaches at both the high and mid-major level who adapt quickly to the new world order will thrive. Those that don't will be a step behind. The high majors will remain just as dominate as they have always been and the mid-majors will be in the same place they were before. What will change is more freedom for the student-athletes, which I think is a good thing.
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In addition to more freedom for the players, I think the overall quality of college basketball will improve as teams will have more balanced rosters. Teams will not be so vulnerable on both offense and defense due to holes in their rosters. This should translate into better b ball.
So many transferred under the about-to-be old system. I think there will be a tidal wave under the new system. I am not so sure that the mid majors really gain much though (maybe losing their top talent), but maybe TAMU is right. Time will tell.
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That game was over within the first 8 mins. Izzo looked distraught.
I don't go to other fanboards, but I wonder if MSUScoopers are saying that Izzo's players have quit on him, he's mailing it in, etc.
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No. He has built up enough equity. However, I am now up to 5 Spartan fans who have told me Marquette can have Joey back. Consistent complaints about his defense and attitude. These are in person conversations, I don't go to other team's boards anymore.
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Seeing Tom Izzo struggle and appear clueless warms your heart on a cold winters day
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No. He has built up enough equity. However, I am now up to 5 Spartan fans who have told me Marquette can have Joey back. Consistent complaints about his defense and attitude. These are in person conversations, I don't go to other team's boards anymore.
Sam turned out to be the better player. Joey’s just a guy at this point.
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Grayson Murphy (13, 12, 10) becomes the first Ohio Valley Conference player with a triple double since...Ja Morant had 17, 11, 16 in a 2019 NCAA win over Marquette.
Belmont 22-1 (16-0) wins its 19th straight game, and just about clinches the league title.
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Spartan fans are more frustrated about Rocket Watts than they are about Joey.
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Crean to MSU?
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Touche Tower..
Slightly better than a 6'9 chair?
6'9" chairs hold their position.
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6'9" chairs hold their position.
Not my Lazy Boy
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Hopefully Michigan isn't crazy rusty because they haven't played for more than 3 weeks.
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This is exactly what I was afraid of. A gift win to Whisky vs a top 4 team. The committee should take into account the 23 day lay off....unless Mich comes back. :)
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Hopefully Michigan isn't crazy rusty because they haven't played for more than 3 weeks.
If it was just more than 3 weeks without games it would be bad enough. But for most of that time they were not allowed any workouts except for things in their rooms. All because of the England variant of COVID in someone in the athletic program.
I wonder if the Badger parents will storm the court after their big win.
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If it was just more than 3 weeks without games it would be bad enough. But for most of that time they were not allowed any workouts except for things in their rooms. All because of the England variant of COVID in someone in the athletic program.
I wonder if the Badger parents will storm the court after their big win.
Blue, I feel strongly this should be taken into account. Meaning it should not move Whisky up the seed line or Mich down the seed line.
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Was that elbow intentional by Flopison?
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I don't go to other fanboards, but I wonder if MSUScoopers are saying that Izzo's players have quit on him, he's mailing it in, etc.
Nah Nads, he's legendary, aina?
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That game was over within the first 8 mins. Izzo looked distraught.
That game was so bad, FOX Sports and Gus Johnson were highlighting the team managers on both teams.
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Was that elbow intentional by Flopison?
If it was someone else you might be more inclined to say it was accidental. But the way he leaned in and extended the elbow into Smith’s face, it makes you think it was intentionally subtle.
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Was that elbow intentional by Flopison?
His official name on Scoop is Floppy McNutpuncher.
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Bam. Way to motivate your team Blue.
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Bam. Way to motivate your team Blue.
The defense really put the clamps on in the second half and they got just enough offense to pull it out. Great win.
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No. He has built up enough equity. However, I am now up to 5 Spartan fans who have told me Marquette can have Joey back. Consistent complaints about his defense and attitude. These are in person conversations, I don't go to other team's boards anymore.
Angry people looking for a scapegoat will invariably find one.
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True, Lenny. But if you read further you would have read that the Spartan fans I talk to are more frustrated by Rocket Watts.
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Have Loyola-Drake on the iPad while I watch MU. Into OT at 45 apiece. Honestly a pretty gross game, neither team shooting above 38%, both under 20% from 3 most of the game. Just ugly basketball though hotly contested, Loyola completely dictating tempo tho
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Angry people looking for a scapegoat will invariably find one.
Sure, but Joey isn't very good. He was just okay here and hasn't been any better at MSU. He still has two years to improve.
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Looking for some other teams to follow that don't suck. Any recommendations? I'm thinking Loyola Marymount, Loyola Chicago and Illinois.
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Looking for some other teams to follow that don't suck. Any recommendations? I'm thinking Loyola Marymount, Loyola Chicago and Illinois.
I'm going Loyola chi
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Looking for some other teams to follow that don't suck. Any recommendations? I'm thinking Loyola Marymount, Loyola Chicago and Illinois.
The NBA. College basketball sucks, outside of Butler and Gonzaga, who just curbstomp everyone.
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Gonzaga, Baylor or the field?
I'll roll the dice and take the field.
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The NBA. College basketball sucks, outside of Butler and Gonzaga, who just curbstomp everyone.
Butler? What? Baylor?
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Angry people looking for a scapegoat will invariably find one.
Very true. We certainly saw that here with Markus.
That, of course, doesn't mean Joey has been good for Michigan State. He hasn't been ... and he doesn't even have Markus and/or Wojo to blame it on anymore.
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Gonzaga, Baylor or the field?
I'll roll the dice and take the field.
Most years, this is the move, but I’ve not seen anyone remotely in the same class as those two. Since the WVU game, nobody has stayed with Gonzaga remotely close. Baylor has been steamrolling good teams regularly
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Butler? What? Baylor?
Yes, Baylor. Sorry.
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Floppy motivated Michigan:
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/universitymichigan/wolverines/2021/02/14/michigan-basketball-juwan-howard-wisconsin-badgers/4484411001/
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Gonzaga, Baylor or the field?
I'll roll the dice and take the field.
Gonzaga and Baylor are lapping college basketball right now. The analytical difference between them and the rest is unseen before. Michigan is closing in on them but are still far away. Single elimination tournaments always say take the field, though.
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Very true. We certainly saw that here with Markus.
That, of course, doesn't mean Joey has been good for Michigan State. He hasn't been ... and he doesn't even have Markus and/or Wojo to blame it on anymore.
Izzo has taken the Coach K approach to coaching in that he isn’t doing any. When he has a lot of talent, they win a lot. When they don’t, he isn’t out coaching anyone anymore
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Izzo has taken the Coach K approach to coaching in that he isn’t doing any. When he has a lot of talent, they win a lot. When they don’t, he isn’t out coaching anyone anymore
Balderdash. Last year's team relied on Tillman and Winston for leadership. This team does not have a leader or a point guard. The team also had a terribly disjointed off-season as well as a disjointed season. A bad combination for a team that was always going to need time to gel.
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Jalen Johnson quits Duke. That should be the end of them this year.
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On the subject of Coach K...
Per Goodman, Jalen Johnson opting out of the rest of the season.
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He was gonna be a one and done anyways. Not much point playing out the string and risking injury for a team that’s going nowhere.
But hey, maybe he just had a really difficult Econ exam to study for.
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Hopefully it was personal ECON, as he is about to get paid.
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Gonzaga and Baylor are lapping college basketball right now. The analytical difference between them and the rest is unseen before. Michigan is closing in on them but are still far away. Single elimination tournaments always say take the field, though.
Agree all around, especially the last part.
The gap between Gonzaga/Baylor and the next tier is significant...but it's nowhere near the gap between 2018 UVa and UMBC, 2016 Michigan State and MTSU, 2012 Duke and Lehigh, etc, etc. When it's win or go home, you just never know.
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On the subject of Coach K...
Per Goodman, Jalen Johnson opting out of the rest of the season.
Whew, we dodged a bullet there when Johnson opted for Duke. We don't need the publicity of another recruit bolting Marquette's program, aina?
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Did he write a letter?
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Balderdash. Last year's team relied on Tillman and Winston for leadership. This team does not have a leader or a point guard. The team also had a terribly disjointed off-season as well as a disjointed season. A bad combination for a team that was always going to need time to gel.
The coach puts the roster together. Villanova seems to have overcome a disjointed season(s) and so have plenty of other teams. They’ve gotten progressively worse as the season has gone along.
The cult of the coach needs to end at these premier programs. He’s been a failure this year and quite frankly, he’s been a bad coach in game for awhile
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Agree all around, especially the last part.
The gap between Gonzaga/Baylor and the next tier is significant...but it's nowhere near the gap between 2018 UVa and UMBC, 2016 Michigan State and MTSU, 2012 Duke and Lehigh, etc, etc. When it's win or go home, you just never know.
FWIW, MSU and Duke in those years were 2 seeds, not top 5 teams, much less the unquestioned top 2 teams.
UVA is always vulnerable given how few points they score, limited possessions always allow a lesser team to stay closer. That UVA team was very good but lost to WVU in non con and actually snuck by BC and Cuse early in the ACC season and benefited from a relatively soft ACC that year. They weren’t absolutely shellacking anyone and everyone in their path like Gonzaga and Baylor.
Anything can happen with one and done and college kids, but both Gonzaga and Baylor are significantly ahead of all 3 of those teams you listed
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Jalen Johnson quits Duke. That should be the end of them this year.
Duke as a team seemed to opt out of the season months ago, hard to blame anyone for bailing at this point.
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The coach puts the roster together. Villanova seems to have overcome a disjointed season(s) and so have plenty of other teams. They’ve gotten progressively worse as the season has gone along.
The cult of the coach needs to end at these premier programs. He’s been a failure this year and quite frankly, he’s been a bad coach in game for awhile
In 2019, he was a freaking genius getting that roster and rotation to the final four. I have to respectfully disagree.
Young team with new players and old players in new roles. Watts was supposed to be a PG but did not develop in the off-season. Langford has never returned to what he was before the foot injury. About 6 guys at the 4-5 with nobody seizing it
I guarantee with a normal off-season that they are back where they should be next year.
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In 2019, he was a freaking genius getting that roster and rotation to the final four. I have to respectfully disagree.
Young team with new players and old players in new roles. Watts was supposed to be a PG but did not develop in the off-season. Langford has never returned to what he was before the foot injury. About 6 guys at the 4-5 with nobody seizing it
I guarantee with a normal off-season that they are back where they should be next year.
I agree to disagree 🙂
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We agree ;)
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So now K AND Izzo are bad coaches?
My goodness.
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So now K AND Izzo are bad coaches?
My goodness.
Have you watched Duke’s offense the last half decade?
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Have you watched Duke’s offense the last half decade?
Yes? Their adjusted offensive efficiency is:
2021: 17th
2020: 9th
2019: 7th
2018: 3rd
2017: 6th
Is that supposed to be a knock on him or...?
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Whew, we dodged a bullet there when Johnson opted for Duke. We don't need the publicity of another recruit bolting Marquette's program, aina?
You can thank Markus for that. Didn't think he'd get any shots at Marquette.
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FWIW, MSU and Duke in those years were 2 seeds, not top 5 teams, much less the unquestioned top 2 teams.
You completely missed my point.
Of course MSU and Duke were 2 seeds...but they both lost to 15 seeds (top-60ish teams). If a 2 seed like MSU or Duke can lose to a 15 seed, a 1 seed like Gonzaga or Baylor can certainly lose to another 1, or some other high seed. And that’s all it would take in a single-elimination tournament.
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In tonight's East Tennessee State - Chattanooga game, Chat led by 3 with 9 seconds left. An ETSU player was fouled with 4.8 seconds left. He made the first and missed the second ... and ETSU grabbed the rebound.
A pass went into the corner and the ETSU player appeared to have made the winning 3 at the buzzer ... but his coach called time-out a split-second before the ball left the shooter's hand. So the basket was waved off. ETSU came out of the time-out with 2.8 seconds left and tried a desperation shot, but it hit the back of the rim.
I'm guessing that the ETSU coach will not sleep very well tonight.
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You completely missed my point.
Of course MSU and Duke were 2 seeds...but they both lost to 15 seeds (top-60ish teams). If a 2 seed like MSU or Duke can lose to a 15 seed, a 1 seed like Gonzaga or Baylor can certainly lose to another 1, or some other high seed. And that’s all it would take in a single-elimination tournament.
I fully got your point. Great teams can lose to lesser teams in single elimination. I just disagree with you.
My point was that Baylor and Gonzaga are so far beyond other teams this year, even other teams in the top 10. Baylor just went into Austin, where Texas was #6, and were favored by 6 (so about 10 on a neutral floor) and blew them out of the gym.
Two dominant teams in relation to everyone, moreso than I can remember as of late. Combination of very good teams and a lot of teams being negatively affected by COVID and other issues this year.
Anything can happen, sure, but when you have 2 teams who would be favored by double digits against probably all but 3-4 other teams in the country, that’s as good as time as any to say “you can have the field”. Seth Greenberg and another analyst tonight actually said “give me Baylor, Gonzaga, and Michigan, you can have the rest, hands down” during the UVA game.
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I fully got your point. Great teams can lose to lesser teams in single elimination. I just disagree with you.
My point was that Baylor and Gonzaga are so far beyond other teams this year, even other teams in the top 10. Baylor just went into Austin, where Texas was #6, and were favored by 6 (so about 10 on a neutral floor) and blew them out of the gym.
Two dominant teams in relation to everyone, moreso than I can remember as of late. Combination of very good teams and a lot of teams being negatively affected by COVID and other issues this year.
Anything can happen, sure, but when you have 2 teams who would be favored by double digits against probably all but 3-4 other teams in the country, that’s as good as time as any to say “you can have the field”. Seth Greenberg and another analyst tonight actually said “give me Baylor, Gonzaga, and Michigan, you can have the rest, hands down” during the UVA game.
Fair enough, but teams favored by double digits still lose games. Happens every March.
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Yes? Their adjusted offensive efficiency is:
2021: 17th
2020: 9th
2019: 7th
2018: 3rd
2017: 6th
Is that supposed to be a knock on him or...?
Accumulating talent and letting it do its thing is easy to do at Duke but he doesn’t run much of an offense anymore. This is one of those cases where I trust what I see from his team. When you have a bunch of burger boys, you can let them do their thing but when they run sets and plays, it’s a mess.
This isn’t an attack on his accomplishments or record. He established one of the greatest programs in college basketball history and did so with some of the most beautiful college basketball you could watch. If Coach K said I’m coming to Marquette, I’d hire him in a minute. When it comes to X’s and O’s, there are better coaches in today’s game. I just think he’s coasting at this point and he’s probably earned it but when I watch them play, I see a team undisciplined and often lost. If Jay Wright is coaching one of those Duke teams you listed, my hunch is they have a national title or two
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Accumulating talent and letting it do its thing is easy to do at Duke but he doesn’t run much of an offense anymore. This is one of those cases where I trust what I see from his team. When you have a bunch of burger boys, you can let them do their thing but when they run sets and plays, it’s a mess.
This isn’t an attack on his accomplishments or record. He established one of the greatest programs in college basketball history and did so with some of the most beautiful college basketball you could watch. If Coach K said I’m coming to Marquette, I’d hire him in a minute. When it comes to X’s and O’s, there are better coaches in today’s game. I just think he’s coasting at this point and he’s probably earned it but when I watch them play, I see a team undisciplined and often lost. If Jay Wright is coaching one of those Duke teams you listed, my hunch is they have a national title or two
Of the past 5 NCAA Tournaments that have been played, Duke has won one national championship, lost in the Elite Eight twice, and lost on the Sweet Sixteen once. Let's not pretend like Duke suddenly sucks because they're having one down year.
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Michigan State lightning it up with 10 points scored,7:30 left till halftime. Joey 0-1 lol
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He's scored the last 6 Spartan pts on 2/2 from the arc, hey?
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That's all coaching!!!
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He's scored the last 6 Spartan pts on 2/2 from the arc, hey?
Not surprised. He's a good shooter ... when he isn't turning the ball over or pouting.
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Not surprised. He's a good shooter ... when he isn't turning the ball over or pouting.
2 TO’s a game fir his career, 1.9 this season,
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Just to wrap up, MSU was terrible, but Joey turns it over and bricks a 3 on two of the last three MSU possessions. 6 TOs on the night. Interestingly, he didn’t attempt a single 2 pointer all night
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He's scored the last 6 Spartan pts on 2/2 from the arc, hey?
Wilted down the stretch as we are accustomed to seeing. 6 TOs was really impressive.
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Only positives of the 2020-21 season:
Kentucky sucking
Duke sucking
Mich St. sucking
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He's scored the last 6 Spartan pts on 2/2 from the arc, hey?
Your hero's last 2 minutes tonight was a microcosm of his last two months in a Marquette uniform. Three turnovers, each more careless than the one before, a brick of a 3 attempt, got killed on D, his team loses. But hey, Joey almost scored twice as many points as he had turnovers, so not a bad night all in all.
It would be nice if you liked any Marquette players from the last two seasons half as much as you like the failed traitor who pi$$ed on your alma mater ... but ewe bee ewe, Doc!
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Your hero's last 2 minutes tonight was a microcosm of his last two months in a Marquette uniform. Three turnovers, each more careless than the one before, a brick of a 3 attempt, got killed on D, his team loses. But hey, Joey almost scored twice as many points as he had turnovers, so not a bad night all in all.
It would be nice if you liked any Marquette players from the last two seasons half as much as you like the failed traitor who pi$$ed on your alma mater ... but ewe bee ewe, Doc!
You’re becoming pretty obsessed with piling on Joey.
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You’re becoming pretty obsessed with piling on Joey.
You're right. Unless correcting factual errors or asked a direct question, I'll back off for awhile.
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You're right. Unless correcting factual errors or asked a direct question, I'll back off for awhile.
What do you think of Joey's play this season and his propensity to turn the ball over?
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You’re becoming pretty obsessed with piling on Joey.
As weird as those obsessed with telling us the Hausers successful moments every time they can. MU82 is right, some folks would rather the current players fail and the Hausers succeed. They’ll deny but actions don’t lie. I’ll be glad when both have graduated and moved on
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Jeff Borzello with a piece on the offensive turnaround for Illinois this season, changing offensive schemes with significantly improved results. (And of course guard play)
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30914193/how-illinois-fighting-illini-became-final-four-contender
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Jeff Borzello with a piece on the offensive turnaround for Illinois this season, changing offensive schemes with significantly improved results. (And of course guard play)
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30914193/how-illinois-fighting-illini-became-final-four-contender
Great work by Borzello. Great work by the Illinois staff.
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You’re becoming pretty obsessed with piling on Joey.
He is, but in fairness, there are a couple of threads now where people are constantly posting updates about every move Sam and Joey make. I suspect the Joey bashing would all but disappear if the Sam and Joey threads (especially the one dedicated specifically to them) did as well.
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What do you think of Joey's play this season and his propensity to turn the ball over?
Maybe Shaka can actually win an NCAA tournament game at Texas this year.
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First Covid, now a major winter storm that is overwhelming the South. Several Big 12 and SEC games postponed.....
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/oklahoma-vs-texas-alabama-vs-texas-a-m-among-college-basketball-games-postponed-due-to-inclement-weather/
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Either Valpo is the best sub .500 team in mid major history or it’s a bit indicative of Drake/Loyola and the MVC strength. Split with Drake a few weeks ago (had the lead most of the game they lost) now frustrating Loyola and will take a lead into halftime at the Gentile Center. Crazy
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Izzo is unhappy with his team. The rest of the season is an audition for next year. Improve or transfer?
https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2021/02/tom-izzo-michigan-state-players-are-up-for-an-audition-in-final-weeks-of-season.html
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Izzo is unhappy with his team. The rest of the season is an audition for next year. Improve or transfer?
https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2021/02/tom-izzo-michigan-state-players-are-up-for-an-audition-in-final-weeks-of-season.html
So the last 2-3 MSU games. I have typed “Hauser” into the Twitter search box.
The amount of fans wondering why he’s on the team... questioning if they could play defense better, and requesting he leave has been quite amazing.
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Izzo is unhappy with his team. The rest of the season is an audition for next year. Improve or transfer?
https://www.mlive.com/spartans/2021/02/tom-izzo-michigan-state-players-are-up-for-an-audition-in-final-weeks-of-season.html
This year, Izzo acknowledged that some of those evaluations could lead to roster changes.
“The scholarship’s a two-way street,” Izzo said. “We have an obligation to you, you have an obligation to us. That’s always the way it is.”
What happened to those "guaranteed" four year scholarships the B1G was touting a few years ago? Swarmy Tommy will keep the rapists on his team but not the kid who can't hit a jumper with the desired regularity.
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So the last 2-3 MSU games. I have typed “Hauser” into the Twitter search box.
The amount of fans wondering why he’s on the team... questioning if they could play defense better, and requesting he leave has been quite amazing.
Michigan State must have a lot of vegetarians for fans
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To me, the most interesting quote from that article was Izzo saying there could be 3,000 college basketball players changing teams this offseason.
Even if it's half that, it's gonna be the wild, wild west! (and east and north and south and midwest)
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351 teams times 13 scholarships per team (except MU. Who, since one year of oversigning under Crean, always seems to have open scholarships) equals 4563 D-1 scholarship players. Subtract the Ivy league, since they aren't on scholarship. Methinks Coach Izzo is engaging in hyperbole when he says 3000.
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351 teams times 13 scholarships per team (except MU. Who, since one year of oversigning under Crean, always seems to have open scholarships) equals 4563 D-1 scholarship players. Subtract the Ivy league, since they aren't on scholarship. Methinks Coach Izzo is engaging in hyperbole when he says 3000.
Not Tom Izzo
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What happened to those "guaranteed" four year scholarships the B1G was touting a few years ago? Swarmy Tommy will keep the rapists on his team but not the kid who can't hit a jumper with the desired regularity.
the "guaranteed scholarship" only means they stay on scholarship and can remain at the school even if they are off the team.
351 teams times 13 scholarships per team (except MU. Who, since one year of oversigning under Crean, always seems to have open scholarships) equals 4563 D-1 scholarship players. Subtract the Ivy league, since they aren't on scholarship. Methinks Coach Izzo is engaging in hyperbole when he says 3000.
Probably, but he's likely also referring to walk-ons, D2 and D3 guys. Also, while the Ivy is not on scholarship guys do transfer to other D1 programs so you do have to include them.
Also, we're up to at least 358 next year (357 this year and St. Thomas making the jump next year).
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Lost track of D1 schools. 357 (8) it is.
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Apparently they will allow 25% capacity for NCAA tournament games.
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Watched a little of the Indiana MSU game. Could not believe how much time Archie Miller was allowed to step fully onto the court while the game was on his end of the court.
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Watching Kansas / Texas Tech game and Vitale was on with his “All Randy Newman Team,” and had to spend five minutes describing the song “Short People” to my son.
Seriously would anyone under the age of 50 get the Randy Newman reference?
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Watched a little of the Indiana MSU game. Could not believe how much time Archie Miller was allowed to step fully onto the court while the game was on his end of the court.
He should have spent more time sitting
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Watching Kansas / Texas Tech game and Vitale was on with his “All Randy Newman Team,” and had to spend five minutes describing the song “Short People” to my son.
Seriously would anyone under the age of 50 get the Randy Newman reference?
Doubtful, but Vitale is spinning off the earth lately with his rambles, so it’s not at all surprising.
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He should have spent more time sitting
He's doing a whale of a job.
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I have to say Michigan appears to have all of the pieces. What a tremendous job Howard has done there. I'm hoping the B14 streak of 20+ yrs continues but this team looks dangerous.
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I really like Liddell and think he's a 1st team A-A. I'm not sure where he'll fall in the NBA draft but I think he'll be a good pro.
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He's doing a whale of a job.
Don't forget Phil Martelli is the assist. coach who has plenty of experience
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Shaka's team blowing a big lead and fighting each other.
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Dickinson is the perfect 5 for this team. Look out if he stays at Mich for a few years.
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Dickinson is the perfect 5 for this team. Look out if he stays at Mich for a few years.
Look out this year.
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Look out this year.
True. That team is crazy dangerous when they're hitting threes. I don't see any holes in their roster. But Dickinson is really impressive for a Frosh.
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I think Michigan and OSU are clearly teams 3 and 4 this year.
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I think Michigan and OSU are clearly teams 3 and 4 this year.
Yes. And I'm starting to believe they could take out Gonzaga or Baylor which concerns me. I'm hoping for the streak of no hoops title since 2000. to continue for the B14.
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Sparty won in 2000. But your larger point holds.
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Juwan Howard will win a national title at Michigan if he sticks around
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Sparty won in 2000. But your larger point holds.
Ty. Corrected. Hopefully Gonzaga comes through.
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The B10 may not win a title this year, but between Michigan, Ohio State, Illinois, and Iowa they have some serious contenders.
That game today was really high quality. Great shooting and only 15 total turnovers, and it’s not because these teams are not capable of playing defense.
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The B10 may not win a title this year, but between Michigan, Ohio State, Illinois, and Iowa they have some serious contenders.
That game today was really high quality. Great shooting and only 15 total turnovers, and it’s not because these teams are not capable of playing defense.
Was fun and reminiscent of what the game used to look like on a regular basis when top teams played.
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The B10 may not win a title this year, but between Michigan, Ohio State, Illinois, and Iowa they have some serious contenders.
That game today was really high quality. Great shooting and only 15 total turnovers, and it’s not because these teams are not capable of playing defense.
It was interesting Blue. Dickinson couldn't guard Liddell and Liddell couldn't guard Dickinson. I think HD could stay at Mich for 4 yrs..... he's not a stretch 5. He's a big prob (no pun intended) for future opponents. And if he plays well in the tournament they very well could win the whole thing.
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Sparty won in 2000. But your larger point holds.
Yet last Millennium.
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Yes. And I'm starting to believe they could take out Gonzaga or Baylor which concerns me. I'm hoping for the streak of no hoops title since 2000. to continue for the B14.
You don't count 2002 Maryland? ;)
Anyway, the B10 is 0-7 since MSU's victory.
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You don't count 2002 Maryland? ;)
Anyway, the B10 is 0-7 since MSU's victory.
Actually, 0-19.
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I think Iowa will go further in the NCAAs than any B1G.
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I think Iowa will go further in the NCAAs than any B1G.
They play next to no defense.
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Juwan Howard will win a national title at Michigan if he sticks around
I think I read somewhere that his next year’s recruiting class is ranked #1.
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The B10 may not win a title this year, but between Michigan, Ohio State, Illinois, and Iowa they have some serious contenders.
That game today was really high quality. Great shooting and only 15 total turnovers, and it’s not because these teams are not capable of playing defense.
Juwan Howard is in his 2nd year at #3 Michigan.
Chris Holtmann is in his 4th year at #4 Ohio St.
Brad Underwood is in his 4th year at #5 Illinois.
Getting a single vote in the top 25 in your first four years is not as impossible as some people have made it out to be.
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Your hero's last 2 minutes tonight was a microcosm of his last two months in a Marquette uniform. Three turnovers, each more careless than the one before, a brick of a 3 attempt, got killed on D, his team loses. But hey, Joey almost scored twice as many points as he had turnovers, so not a bad night all in all.
It would be nice if you liked any Marquette players from the last two seasons half as much as you like the failed traitor who pi$$ed on your alma mater ... but ewe bee ewe, Doc!
Nads, this year's MU team wouldn't be the cluster it is if Woj would have been the head coach instead of being tied to the hip of Howard and trying to be his best bud, hey?
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Nads, this year's MU team wouldn't be the cluster it is if Woj would have been the head coach instead of being tied to the hip of Howard and trying to be his best bud, hey?
If you say so, Doc.
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I think Iowa will go further in the NCAAs than any B1G.
Anything can happen in the tournament Dr.
B but I think Mich and OSU are significantly better than Iowa. Much better defensively, far more overall athleticism and quickness.
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https://nypost.com/2021/02/21/michigans-juwan-howard-is-beating-the-coaching-odds/
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I think Iowa will go further in the NCAAs than any B1G.
Michigan and OSU have better wins and more consistent overall performances. Iowa plays no defense and doesn’t just go cold from game to game, in game they vanish at times. Iowa is more likely to miss the second weekend than make a deep run IMO.
Michigan is gonna be really tough moving forward but they are gonna REALLY miss Wagner and Smith next year. Smith is unreal running that team and playing them under control. Wagner may be the most underrated player in the country.
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Michigan and OSU have better wins and more consistent overall performances. Iowa plays no defense and doesn’t just go cold from game to game, in game they vanish at times. Iowa is more likely to miss the second weekend than make a deep run IMO.
Michigan is gonna be really tough moving forward but they are gonna REALLY miss Wagner and Smith next year. Smith is unreal running that team and playing them under control. Wagner may be the most underrated player in the country.
Some in Ann Arbor think Smith may be back next year
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I think Iowa will go further in the NCAAs than any B1G.
Anything is possible in the tournament but I don’t agree with this. Lot of second round loss energy from a team that plays no defense. I think some of the T-Rank comps had a lot of teams that got bounced early as being similar to Iowa
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Michigan and OSU have better wins and more consistent overall performances. Iowa plays no defense and doesn’t just go cold from game to game, in game they vanish at times. Iowa is more likely to miss the second weekend than make a deep run IMO.
Michigan is gonna be really tough moving forward but they are gonna REALLY miss Wagner and Smith next year. Smith is unreal running that team and playing them under control. Wagner may be the most underrated player in the country.
Agree.
Great offense can sometimes grab an unexpected win or two in March when the team gets hot...but great defense more often leads to deep runs.
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Agree.
Great offense can sometimes grab an unexpected win or two in March when the team gets hot...but great defense more often leads to deep runs.
If they played even top-50ish defense, I’d be more bullish. Very reminiscent of a local team circa 2017. Iowa is better but I won’t be surprised if they get run off the court on the opening weekend
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If they played even top-50ish defense, I’d be more bullish. Very reminiscent of a local team circa 2017. Iowa is better but I won’t be surprised if they get run off the court on the opening weekend
Good comparison, and I'm not even sure Iowa is much better.
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Pitino said Iona is shutting down their regular season due to Covid and not having enough players. Like their coach, it sounds like the players were not using adequate protection.
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Michigan and OSU have better wins and more consistent overall performances. Iowa plays no defense and doesn’t just go cold from game to game, in game they vanish at times. Iowa is more likely to miss the second weekend than make a deep run IMO.
Michigan is gonna be really tough moving forward but they are gonna REALLY miss Wagner and Smith next year. Smith is unreal running that team and playing them under control. Wagner may be the most underrated player in the country.
Illinois seems to be the forgotten about team in the B1G and I think they could end up being the toughest out in the tournament. Ayo Dosunmu might be the best guard in the country and he just seems to have the "it" factor. Always seems to hit the big shot and can get in the lane at will. Seems like the guy who could be the guard that takes over in the tournament, like we've seen in the past.
Kifi Cockburn is an absolute man amongst boys in the paint. They are a tough matchup for any team in the country. They shoot 39% from 3 as a team and Underwood's teams always play tough.
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Illinois seems to be the forgotten about team in the B1G and I think they could end up being the toughest out in the tournament. Ayo Dosunmu might be the best guard in the country and he just seems to have the "it" factor. Always seems to hit the big shot and can get in the lane at will. Seems like the guy who could be the guard that takes over in the tournament, like we've seen in the past.
Kifi Cockburn is an absolute man amongst boys in the paint. They are a tough matchup for any team in the country. They shoot 39% from 3 as a team and Underwood's teams always play tough.
They are really good too but much most suseptable to clunkers than Michigan or probably even OSU.
Ayo is elite, maybe the best total package player in the country. The rest of the team supports really well and like you said Cockburn is a load.
But Cockburn is also a traffic cone on D. He was basically unplayable vs Baylor. They had him in foul trouble and completely took him out of the game.
Illinois doesnt have the same defensive abilities and length as a team like Michigan. They also have a big man force.
They dont have the "take over" player like Ayo. But LIvers is really good and an elite shooter. Wagner is a match up nightmare with elite length on the D end. And they have two guards that simply know how to run the show.
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If they played even top-50ish defense, I’d be more bullish. Very reminiscent of a local team circa 2017. Iowa is better but I won’t be surprised if they get run off the court on the opening weekend
Exactly my thought. They are starting to play much better defense and they are the type of team that is deep enough and has the right amount of match-up variety that can go on a Dance run. While UM, tOSU, Illinois are the better teams, Iowa seems more apt to me, with the right match-ups, to stick around each game and find the right levers to advance.
That said, watch them throw up an egg in their first game.
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Dickinson is the perfect 5 for this team. Look out if he stays at Mich for a few years.
One thing to remember about Dickinson is that he is surrounded by a team of experienced, unselfish players who know how and where to get him the ball and who are enough of a threat themselves that opponents can't put too much attention on Dickinson. Before yesterday he hadn't scored more than 12 points in the previous 6 games. The 8 man rotation has 5 seniors (including the two grad transfers). He also has an experienced, competent backup that allows him to play only 25 minutes or so per game. It might be tougher for him next season when the team will be younger.
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Pitino said Iona is shutting down their regular season due to Covid and not having enough players. Like their coach, it sounds like the players were not using adequate protection.
Maybe Iona can lend us Pitino for the rest of the season.
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Some in Ann Arbor think Smith may be back next year
That would be incredibly silly IMO. He’s already 23, would be 24 by tip off next season. He’s not going to be anymore NBA ready if he stayed another year. But I don’t think he’s an NBA PG, but he’s got the makings of a REALLY good Euroleague guard. Go make your money and improve your game there.
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That would be incredibly silly IMO. He’s already 23, would be 24 by tip off next season. He’s not going to be anymore NBA ready if he stayed another year. But I don’t think he’s an NBA PG, but he’s got the makings of a REALLY good Euroleague guard. Go make your money and improve your game there.
I agree with you. I forgot how old is he was and think it’s wishful thinking on their part. Then again, I think there’s an assumption in Madison a lot of that team comes back and they are old
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He's got a degree from Columbia and can potentially finish up a masters from Michigan if he plays another year there. Maybe he has no interest in going to a foreign country away from his family and would rather finish up a very good education and then get a job in the US. Or maybe he can delay one more year of being paid to play basketball for a very good education knowing that when his playing career is over he can make plenty of money with his undergrad from Columbia and masters from Michigan.
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I agree with you. I forgot how old is he was and think it%u2019s wishful thinking on their part. Then again, I think there%u2019s an assumption in Madison a lot of that team comes back and they are old
The difference is the majority of those old seniors for Madison will have limited overseas opportunities. They aren’t one of the top 4-5 guys are upperclassman at their position in the country.
He's got a degree from Columbia and can potentially finish up a masters from Michigan if he plays another year there. Maybe he has no interest in going to a foreign country away from his family and would rather finish up a very good education and then get a job in the US. Or maybe he can delay one more year of being paid to play basketball for a very good education knowing that when his playing career is over he can make plenty of money with his undergrad from Columbia and masters from Michigan.
He’s was a sociology major and his masters at Michigan was/is undecided. Lets say he continues with that path. Regardless of where he got his degrees, very few job opportunities, if any, in the next 5 years will compete with the limited window of earning mid to high six figures in Europe. It’s not like he’s weighing a job with a hedge fund or at a tech company in SV with his basketball options. I know plenty of people with sterling collegiate resumes who don’t make much money, whether by choice or circumstance.
I know nothing of his career aspirations and his interest or lack thereof in pro basketball, but he’s made savvy choices thus far. It’s just pretty rare for someone who is as good as he is to to eschew pro opportunities at least straight away. He would get legit looks, not balance moving on with his life with bouncing around lower leagues or places with great uncertainties like some players.
Unrelated, if Drake makes the tourney and Hemphill isn’t 100%, I’ll pick against them instantly. Outside of that rock fight with LUI in the second game, they’ve been so unimpressive. I know they have injury issues, but jeez. A bad Evansville team is just having their way with them on the road. They look lifeless and lacking fight. Might want to pump the brakes on the Devries excitement
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The difference is the majority of those old seniors for Madison will have limited overseas opportunities. They aren’t one of the top 4-5 guys are upperclassman at their position in the country.
He’s was a sociology major and his masters at Michigan was/is undecided. Lets say he continues with that path. Regardless of where he got his degrees, very few job opportunities, if any, in the next 5 years will compete with the limited window of earning mid to high six figures in Europe. It’s not like he’s weighing a job with a hedge fund or at a tech company in SV with his basketball options. I know plenty of people with sterling collegiate resumes who don’t make much money, whether by choice or circumstance.
I know nothing of his career aspirations and his interest or lack thereof in pro basketball, but he’s made savvy choices thus far. It’s just pretty rare for someone who is as good as he is to to eschew pro opportunities at least straight away. He would get legit looks, not balance moving on with his life with bouncing around lower leagues or places with great uncertainties like some players.
Unrelated, if Drake makes the tourney and Hemphill isn’t 100%, I’ll pick against them instantly. Outside of that rock fight with LUI in the second game, they’ve been so unimpressive. I know they have injury issues, but jeez. A bad Evansville team is just having their way with them on the road. They look lifeless and lacking fight. Might want to pump the brakes on the Devries excitement
It will be a wild off-season either way you slice it
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Duke doing a number on Syracuse tonight
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Unrelated, if Drake makes the tourney and Hemphill isn’t 100%, I’ll pick against them instantly. Outside of that rock fight with LUI in the second game, they’ve been so unimpressive. I know they have injury issues, but jeez. A bad Evansville team is just having their way with them on the road. They look lifeless and lacking fight. Might want to pump the brakes on the Devries excitement
They’re down two starters, they lost their PG for the season yesterday. 11 ppg and 5.5 app.
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Say what you want about McClung but the dude is a gamer.
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Say what you want about McClung but the dude is a gamer.
Was just going to post the same thing. I think opponents view him much the same way our opponents viewed Travis Diener.
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Officials decided to take OT off in the OK St/TTU game. Good lord. TTU abused multiple times with no calls. Just pathetic. Also, for a good team with a bunch of gamers, Tech hoisted a shocking number of bricks in critical moments late
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Say what you want about McClung but the dude is a gamer.
Yeah ... maybe ... but his 3s at the end of regulation and OT both broke the backboard without even hitting iron. Hard to decide which was uglier.
He’s everything the Markus haters whined about. And Beard treats him almost the exact way Wojo treated Markus, too - “Shoot it whenever you want, kiddo.”
I do like this Oklahoma State coach, BTW.
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This coach for Ok. State has done an outstanding job. I know they landed Cunningham but no one expected them to be a tourney team.
We must get the MU program back on track. Don't tell me people aren't out there because we see programs all the time get new coaching staffs and quickly are back in business.
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This coach for Ok. State has done an outstanding job. I know they landed Cunningham but no one expected them to be a tourney team.
We must get the MU program back on track. Don't tell me people aren't out there because we see programs all the time get new coaching staffs and quickly are back in business.
If by all the time you mean less than 20% of the time then sure. Most rebuilds end in failure. The rebuilds that are successful typically take 3+ years.
All that being said, it's time to move on barring a miracle run to end the season
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If by all the time you mean less than 20% of the time then sure. Most rebuilds end in failure. The rebuilds that are successful typically take 3+ years.
All that being said, it's time to move on barring a miracle run to end the season
When you say "rebuilds" do you mean coaching changes? If you're not remotely successful for 7 yrs the "3 year rule" doesn't seem to mean much imo.
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Yeah ... maybe ... but his 3s at the end of regulation and OT both broke the backboard without even hitting iron. Hard to decide which was uglier.
He’s everything the Markus haters whined about. And Beard treats him almost the exact way Wojo treated Markus, too - “Shoot it whenever you want, kiddo.”
I do like this Oklahoma State coach, BTW.
The shots at the end tonight were ugly, but McClung can play, and he’s going to win a lot more games than he loses.
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Well, Muggs, we both just complimented the Oklahoma State coach. This is his fourth year. In his first 3, he never finished in the top half of conference standings, never had a winning conference record and never appeared in the NCAAs.
In other words ... results many Scoopers would call abject failure.
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Well, Muggs, we both just complimented the Oklahoma State coach. This is his fourth year. In his first 3, he never finished in the top half of conference standings, never had a winning conference record and never appeared in the NCAAs.
In other words ... results many Scoopers would call abject failure.
Fair enough but the B12 until this year has probably been the best overall league the past 5 yrs. I understand "rebuilds" take time. Wojo was put in a tough situation in 2014, I'm not sure how it compares to Ok.Stare in 2017. That said, year 7 is year 7. I can tell you with 100% certainty that Wojo did not expect this program to be stagnant and mediocre with a grand total of zero tournament wins when he took the job.
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Well, Muggs, we both just complimented the Oklahoma State coach. This is his fourth year. In his first 3, he never finished in the top half of conference standings, never had a winning conference record and never appeared in the NCAAs.
In other words ... results many Scoopers would call abject failure.
To be fair, he took over a mess. Travis Ford ran that program into the bottom of the Big12. Then you had the transition to Underwood for just one season and then more change at the top. And the best player from the season before, Juwan Evans, left for the draft. Plus the FBI investigation. He had a mess to clean up
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I believe in 2014 Marquette was considered the 13th best program in college hoops history. We have fallen into the Mariana Trench with no chance of coming up for air any time soon. Very depressing and totally inexcusable. It's important to reiterate this regularly, get our act together, and surge back as quickly as possible. Expectations should be sky high for this program.
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I totally understand that OSU was a mess. However, anytime any coach not named Wojo does well, the line here is, "See? He can do it!" But then when you look it up, you see that the coach not named Wojo is in Year 4, still hasn't won an NCAA game, and still hasn't had a winning conference record (though probably will this season). And again, I like what I've seen from Boynton a lot.
Yes, there are occasions where a coach comes in an fixes things in a couple of years. But as TAMU says, those are rarities. Here's hoping that whoever our next coach is and whenever he takes over from Wojo, he will be one of those rarities.
And I obviously agree that Wojo hasn't done enough in 7 years because I've been saying for a month now that he should have been fired after the DePaul loss.
As for McClung ...
He's a tough kid who is willing to try to take over down the stretch of games, and Beard is willing to let him. But he's been a mixed bag.
He hit the winner to beat Texas, hit clinching FTs against Okla after a teammate hit the go-ahead bucket, and he made a couple 3s to help rally the team vs LSU. He also missed 2 shots and a FT late in the first loss to OSU, fired two horrible scuds in tonight's loss to OSU, missed a buzzer J vs W Virginia, and committed a turnover and missed 2 shots late in the other loss to W Virginia.
I'd take Mac on my team 100%. I like him. He's very exciting. But let's not canonize him. He's basically Markus without the 40+ point games and with only a career .310 percentage from 3pt.
If he were on Marquette, and if Wojo coached him the exact same way Beard has coached him, Wojo would be getting ripped for letting one player dominate the ball.
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I believe in 2014 Marquette was considered the 13th best program in college hoops history. We have fallen into the Mariana Trench with no chance of coming up for air any time soon. Very depressing and totally inexcusable. It's important to reiterate this regularly, get our act together, and surge back as quickly as possible. Expectations should be sky high for this program.
You believe wrong. ESPN did a 50 Best for 50years in August 2012 and we were number 17, and that's a list that ignored the fact that the first 40yrs of MUBB were pretty much trash except for 2-3 seasons where there was still no postseason. Maybe we moved up to 16 (Nova) with the elite 8 the following year but I doubt it. Either way in 2014 we certainly were not the 13 best program all time.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8298598/conference-breakdowns-50-50-rankings
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Fun stuff: Boeheim says Duke is better without Jalen Johnson; Bilas says that's ridiculous; Boeheim tells Biden he don't know sh!t!
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article249443675.html?ac_cid=DM391653&ac_bid=-464970492
While Jay Bilas and Jim Boeheim have known each other for decades, it’s not stopping them from sniping at one another over Duke and Jalen Johnson.
After Duke beat Boeheim’s Syracuse Orange 85-71 on Monday night for the Blue Devils’ fourth consecutive win, Boeheim reiterated the point he made last week that Duke is better since Johnson left to team to focus on NBA Draft preparation.
They are way better than they were,” Boeheim said during his post-game news conference on Zoom. “Jay Bilas knows something about basketball? I know more than he knows. I said they are better. They are better. Period. I’m not bringing anybody else into the equation. It has nothing to do with any other player, here or not. I saw they were better against N.C State and Wake, Virginia and tonight. They played really good tonight.”
The back-and-forth between Bilas, the former Duke player and assistant coach who is now an ESPN basketball analyst, started last week when Boeheim, on his Syracuse basketball coaches show in New York, said Johnson had been holding the Blue Devils back.
“That guy was hurting them so they actually are much better now without him,” Boeheim said on Thursday night. “He was just doing some things and keeping other people from playing that are good.”
Bilas, in appearances on ESPN Saturday both before and during his coverage of Duke’s 66-65 win over Virginia, disagreed.
“The idea that somehow they’re better without Jalen Johnson is patently false,” Bilas said.
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Just two super humble guys having a disagreement, though Duke *does* seem to better without Johnson, so maybe there’s something to what Boeheim said. And Bilas is grand poobah of the Wojo-loving slurpers, so he’s got that going for him.
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Fun stuff: Boeheim says Duke is better without Jalen Johnson; Bilas says that's ridiculous; Boeheim tells Biden he don't know sh!t!
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article249443675.html?ac_cid=DM391653&ac_bid=-464970492
While Jay Bilas and Jim Boeheim have known each other for decades, it’s not stopping them from sniping at one another over Duke and Jalen Johnson.
After Duke beat Boeheim’s Syracuse Orange 85-71 on Monday night for the Blue Devils’ fourth consecutive win, Boeheim reiterated the point he made last week that Duke is better since Johnson left to team to focus on NBA Draft preparation.
They are way better than they were,” Boeheim said during his post-game news conference on Zoom. “Jay Bilas knows something about basketball? I know more than he knows. I said they are better. They are better. Period. I’m not bringing anybody else into the equation. It has nothing to do with any other player, here or not. I saw they were better against N.C State and Wake, Virginia and tonight. They played really good tonight.”
The back-and-forth between Bilas, the former Duke player and assistant coach who is now an ESPN basketball analyst, started last week when Boeheim, on his Syracuse basketball coaches show in New York, said Johnson had been holding the Blue Devils back.
“That guy was hurting them so they actually are much better now without him,” Boeheim said on Thursday night. “He was just doing some things and keeping other people from playing that are good.”
Bilas, in appearances on ESPN Saturday both before and during his coverage of Duke’s 66-65 win over Virginia, disagreed.
“The idea that somehow they’re better without Jalen Johnson is patently false,” Bilas said.
What did he have to say on the situation?
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Just two super humble guys having a disagreement, though Duke *does* seem to better without Johnson, so maybe there’s something to what Boeheim said. And Bilas is grand poobah of the Wojo-loving slurpers, so he’s got that going for him.
6-0 without Johnson and Duke is back in the tourney field. I'd say Boeheim was right.
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Addition by subtraction isn't as common as some think, but it DOES happen, and the evidence certainly would suggest it's happening in this case.
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Addition by subtraction isn't as common as some think, but it DOES happen, and the evidence certainly would suggest it's happening in this case.
I’d be curious about his advance stats. Even a guy like Markus who was ball-dominant, was very efficient. If Johnson used a lot of possessions, but was pretty inefficient, I could see Duke being better without him. The typical Duke player is pretty talented.
If I remember, Ellenson was high usage but not incredibly efficient. Especially with his poor 3 Pt shooting.
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About Duke and Jalen Johnson:
A young team that had no practice time early, time lost on top of that to Covid could theoretically get better as they get more practice time and cohesion.
The ACC is hot trash.
Jalen Johnson could have been a problem for whatever reason or was overrated or a bad fit.
All of these things can be true
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Johnson put up decent numbers at Duke. 52% fg, 44% from 3 on limited attempts. Team's leading rebounder, but had his share of turnovers.
I don't think he reacted well to Coach K bringing him off the bench. I've seen Johnson at #6 in a NBA mock draft. I'm guessing he felt he deserved more than the 8 minutes he got in his final game.
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Is Hauser the younger injured or just in Izzo’s doghouse? Just turned on the MSU–Illinois game, and he is not on the court down the stretch. The box score shows he has only played 11 minutes, with about four to go.
Never mind. Izzo just put him in when one of MSU’s players got ejected for a flagrant two. Must’ve been a doghouse thing.
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Have you not been paying attention?
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Is Hauser the younger injured or just in Izzo’s doghouse? Just turned on the MSU–Illinois game, and he is not on the court down the stretch. The box score shows he has only played 11 minutes, with about four to go.
Never mind. Izzo just put him in when one of MSU’s players got ejected for a flagrant two. Must’ve been a doghouse thing.
Loving the treatment he's getting. I'm unsure whether he's happier and if he is good for him but he has to at least cringe a bit when he realizes that maybe it wasn't entirely Wojo and Markus and just him being a bit immature and sensitive
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Have you not been paying attention?
Unfortunately, I have not kept up with the Hausermania thread.
Could someone write a letter to get me caught up?
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Still a ways to go, but a massive upset brewing in the Baylor/Iowa State game.
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Still a ways to go, but a massive upset brewing in the Baylor/Iowa State game.
This would be a total shocker. Iowa St. has been horrible.
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Baylors got it.
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This would be a total shocker. Iowa St. has been horrible.
COVID rust is real
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ISU fans breathe a sigh of relief. Prohm likely getting canned.
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Garza getting exposed by Dickinson. Michigan is playing the best basketball of anyone in the country right now.
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Garza getting exposed by Dickinson. Michigan is playing the best basketball of anyone in the country right now.
Michigan is no joke. I don't see any weaknesses on that team.
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Probably the final nail in Little Ricky Pitino’s coffin last night. Of course, Beilein’s name being tossed around in Gopherland.
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Probably the final nail in Little Ricky Pitino’s coffin last night. Of course, Beilein’s name being tossed around in Gopherland.
It has been a strange year for the Gophers. Early in the conference season they had impressive wins over Iowa, MSU, tOSU, and Michigan. Suddenly, they are losing to mid or lower-tier B1G teams.
Ricky to Marquette?
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If only Beilein could be cloned. Then maybe a couple hundred schools could hire him.
Of course ... would have to clone the kid too.
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But then everyone would play the same and that would be boring.
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But then everyone would play the same and that would be boring.
You're failing to grasp the genius that is Beilein. He would coach all 200 teams differently, but successfully. The NCAA tournament would be expanded to 200 teams just to have all of them represented.
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I thought it was 2 vs the field but clearly you have add Michigan. I think I would take the top 3 vs the field. What kind of pro do you think Dickinson will be? Will he have to add the triple? I'm curious if he can go old school once he gets to the NBA? I expect him to improve a.lot in 2 yrs.
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Michigan goes into Bloomington and waxes Indiana
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It has been a strange year for the Gophers. Early in the conference season they had impressive wins over Iowa, MSU, tOSU, and Michigan. Suddenly, they are losing to mid or lower-tier B1G teams.
They play out of control a lot. Carr has a perpetual green light but he’s not very efficient at all.
I thought it was 2 vs the field but clearly you have add Michigan. I think I would take the top 3 vs the field. What kind of pro do you think Dickinson will be? Will he have to add the triple? I'm curious if he can go old school once he gets to the NBA? I expect him to improve a.lot in 2 yrs.
I think he can add a 3/jump shot and be a Brook Lopez type. Then he’s very intriguing. He’s very good already
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OK St picks up another huge win. Cade Cunningham is terrifying. I don’t know how he’s not the consensus #1 pick. He’s absolutely unreal
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I thought it was 2 vs the field but clearly you have add Michigan. I think I would take the top 3 vs the field. What kind of pro do you think Dickinson will be? Will he have to add the triple? I'm curious if he can go old school once he gets to the NBA? I expect him to improve a.lot in 2 yrs.
Not a one and done as he can’t stretch the defense and would get abused on D. Imagine him trying to guard Jokic or Embid.
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North Carolina with a nice bounce back against a very good Florida State team.
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North Carolina with a nice bounce back against a very good Florida State team.
UNC hit 18 straight FTs to clinch the game. That’s insanity
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UNC hit 18 straight FTs to clinch the game. That’s insanity
I think Illinois hit 10 of 10 in the final minute to hold off UW-Madison
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So I guess Whisky's best win is Loyola-Chi? They have zero wins vs the top 5 B-14 teams. Remember Illini's best player was out today. They're a 8 or 9 seed right now.
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This weekend is the first time I’m watching more than a minute or two of Loyola. It could just be a bad weekend, but I am fully unimpressed by them. There’s talk of this team being better than their Final Four team but I do not see that one bit. That team was an 11 seed because they played in a bad conference and they got a couple breaks in their draw, but they were legit. I had them going to the Elite Eight in my bracket that season. Anything can happen in a one and done situation, but I’d be pretty surprised if they even made the second round.
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They haven't looked good since they beat Drake and then lost the following day. I will say that's it's hard to get a read on teams playing back to backs. I would agree they are not as good as their recent F4 team.
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So I guess Baylor isn’t unbeatable by anyone except Gonzaga after all, huh?
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So I guess Baylor isn’t unbeatable by anyone except Gonzaga after all, huh?
Covid break has been a problem for teams. Let’s see how they shake out post Big XII tourney
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So I guess Whisky's best win is Loyola-Chi? They have zero wins vs the top 5 B-14 teams. Remember Illini's best player was out today. They're a 8 or 9 seed right now.
No, they aren't.
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/
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Covid break has been a problem for teams. Let’s see how they shake out post Big XII tourney
I’m not questioning that Baylor is an excellent team. They have as good a chance as anyone of going all the way.
But it was kinda silly for many to act like Gonzaga and Baylor are light years ahead of everyone else this year.
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stans doing well so far vs the zags. hire him
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I’m not questioning that Baylor is an excellent team. They have as good a chance as anyone of going all the way.
But it was kinda silly for many to act like Gonzaga and Baylor are light years ahead of everyone else this year.
Add Michigan to those two and they really are light years ahead.
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I’m not questioning that Baylor is an excellent team. They have as good a chance as anyone of going all the way.
But it was kinda silly for many to act like Gonzaga and Baylor are light years ahead of everyone else this year.
Why was it “silly”? They were routing (not just beating) everyone they faced.
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Why was it “silly”? They were routing (not just beating) exeryone they faced.
Not anymore, hey?
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Gonzaga, Baylor or the field?
I'll roll the dice and take the field.
I'll still take the field.
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What were the expectations for LMU?
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What were the expectations for LMU?
idk i dont think lmu is talked about much
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No, they aren't.
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/
They haven't beaten anyone since Jan 15th and really haven't beaten anyone besides Loyola all year.
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idk i dont think lmu is talked about much
Do you think Stan potentially has the goods?
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No, they aren't.
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/
I couldn’t help but notice that some clown has Kentucky (8-14) in the field as an at-large.
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Do you think Stan potentially has the goods?
i think he does cbd but not really like typical weed and bong stuff idk
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i think he does cbd but not really like typical weed and bong stuff idk
Ha! I guess I walked into that one.
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Not anymore, hey?
They lost on the road to a preseason top 5 team, who had underachieved but is still stacked, after a 3 week layoff. They are still light years ahead of almost everyone. If they okayed that game on a neutral floor next Sat, Baylor is probably favorites by 6-8 pts.
This weekend is the first time I’m watching more than a minute or two of Loyola. It could just be a bad weekend, but I am fully unimpressed by them. There’s talk of this team being better than their Final Four team but I do not see that one bit. That team was an 11 seed because they played in a bad conference and they got a couple breaks in their draw, but they were legit. I had them going to the Elite Eight in my bracket that season. Anything can happen in a one and done situation, but I’d be pretty surprised if they even made the second round.
Their offense is BRUTAL. And when you shorten the game like they do and have minimal possessions, you let lesser teams stick in games if you’re cold. It was UGLY basketball
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Do you think Stan potentially has the goods?
Let’s see in a few years. Saint Stan took over a team set up for a big year. They’re senior/fifth year dominated.
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They lost on the road to a preseason top 5 team, who had underachieved but is still stacked, after a 3 week layoff. They are still light years ahead of almost everyone. If they okayed that game on a neutral floor next Sat, Baylor is probably favorites by 6-8 pts.
No question they had challenges today or that they would be favorites on a neutral court. But today showed that they are hardly the unbeatable team that some make them out to be.
That’s all I’m saying.
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I really think those two are just in a different class. Really hope we get a matchup of unbeatens in the NCAA Final.
I expect you'll be disappointed.
edit: but hey, too bad their early season game was "postponed"
Bumping this, because you gave a long winded answer about how those two were the best two - but never addressed the "unbeaten" part which was my bigger point :) Though I admit it's hard to know what to expect from Baylor after the covid pause.
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They haven't beaten anyone since Jan 15th and really haven't beaten anyone besides Loyola all year.
At Maryland is a Q1A win, they have 4 Q1 and 9 Q1+2 wins, and no losses outside the first two quadrants. They are a consensus 5-seed that might slip to the 6. They are certainly not an 8/9 right now and that link confirms it.
If you want to provide a list of 32 better resumes, go ahead. But just saying they are an 8/9 because...I don't know, I guess you want them to be isn't a strong argument.
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Let’s see in a few years. Saint Stan took over a team set up for a big year. They’re senior/fifth year dominated.
LMU is 330th in turnover % on offense and 258th in forcing turnovers. They foul a lot and are 204th in defensive effective fg%. So, his defense at LMU looks familiar.
A lot of the minutes are going to juniors. sophomores and a freshmen. They could be very good next year.
He’s not coming back to Milwaukee anyway. If he’s successful at LMU, I’d suspect he’ll wait for a Pac-12 job
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In anticipation of the Big Ten and NCAA tournaments, the city of Indianapolis, with the blessing of the state, has relaxed COVID-19 restrictions.
Bars and restaurants can stay open until 2 a.m., bars can operate at 50% capacity (up from 25%), and restaurants can operate at 75% capacity (up from 50%).
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Oklahoma St. may be a sleeper team. Cunningham is coming on strong and that team has athletes. I'm not so sure the B12 isn't right there with the B14. They have a number of teams capable of going deep. I wouldn't read too much in the Baylor loss yesterday.
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Oklahoma St. may be a sleeper team. Cunningham is coming on strong abs that team has athletes. I'm not so sure the B12 isn't right there with the B14. They have a number of teams capable of going deep. I wouldn't read too much in the Bayor loss yesterday.
So they work on their core strength? 😉😉😉
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Oklahoma St. may be a sleeper team. Cunningham is coming on strong abs that team has athletes. I'm not so sure the B12 isn't right there with the B14. They have a number of teams capable of going deep. I wouldn't read too much in the Bayor loss yesterday.
Year-in and year-out, the Big 12 is as deep as any league. They’ve lacked national title contenders outside KU a lot of those years but it’s always one of the most entertaining leagues and without the pretension of the Big 14
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So they work on their core strength? 😉😉😉
Wooops. Corrected, ty.
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Is Oklahoma St. eligible for the tournament? I forgot about their 1 yr ban.
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Is Oklahoma St. eligible for the tournament? I forgot about their 1 yr ban.
Yes
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Yes
Dangerous team. When I watch these games it's evident we need to increase our overall physicality and athleticism. They have guys that get after it for 40 mins. We seem to be way behind the tier 1 teams. Everything needs to change although this is a process.
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We seem to be way behind the tier 1 teams. Everything needs to change although this is a process.
That may be your observation, but remember MU is 4-7 against NET Q1 teams. That's fine. It's the 2-5 against against NET Q2 (tier 2?) teams that is the problem!
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That may be your observation, but remember MU is 4-7 against NET Q1 teams. That's fine. It's the 2-5 against against NET Q2 (tier 2?) teams that is the problem!
Fair enough r w. But if you watch these games it's apparent we have severe probs. My take is our margin for error is infinitesimally small because of a wide range of issues. We epitomize inconsistency and it's rather unfortunate. Is it solvable? Yes, but it will take a different approach and honest introspection.
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During last night's OK vs. OK St game they showed a graphic that Cunningham's 40 points against OK on Saturday was the 1st time a player has scored 40 against a top 10 team since Novak vs. UConn.
I still have the baseball caps from that night.
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Is Oklahoma St. eligible for the tournament? I forgot about their 1 yr ban.
Currently yes. They were given the ban, but then appealed, which puts the ban on hold until the final decision is rendered. The thought is the NCAA won't rule until after the season so Cunningham can play, but if they ruled in the next 2 weeks, they could still ban them for this year.
That said, banning the likely #1 draft pick when you already won't have individuals like Kuminga or Green and teams like Duke, Michigan State, and Kentucky, it seems like they would want Cade in.
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So #3 Baylor is playing #6 West Virginia at 4:00 PM Central Time on a Tuesday so that they can have 8-14 Kentucky vs. 13-10 Ole Miss (playing in the Eastern Time Zone, so could flip those two and that game would be starting at 5:00 local time) at 8:00 PM on ESPN? Awesome.
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The reffing in this Baylor vs. WVU game is pretty bad.
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The reffing in this Baylor vs. WVU game is pretty bad.
If youre a WVU fan it aint so bad.
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If youre a WVU fan it aint so bad.
Exactly. Baylor is getting absolutely hammered every time down the court. I’m very impressed that they’re in overtime and maybe going to win this game. They’re incredibly tough physically and mentally. This is what a Buzz team would’ve looked like if his teams were also one of the best shooting teams in the country.
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Going from a 94-89 overtime game to a 10-10 game over 10 minutes in is quite the change. The B1G sucks, even when it’s good.
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Curbelo looks like Markus’s brother.
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Wow. Michigan has 14 points with 5 mins to go in the first half?? WTH? Shocked.
I missed the Baylor/WVU game but this are two really good teams. Hopefully Huggy doesn't consume too much food after the tough loss.
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So #3 Baylor is playing #6 West Virginia at 4:00 PM Central Time on a Tuesday so that they can have 8-14 Kentucky vs. 13-10 Ole Miss (playing in the Eastern Time Zone, so could flip those two and that game would be starting at 5:00 local time) at 8:00 PM on ESPN? Awesome.
It's a make up game. That's the reason for the early time.
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It's a make up game. That's the reason for the early time.
Ah got it. Thanks. That makes sense.
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Wow. Michigan has 14 points with 5 mins to go in the first half?? WTH? Shocked.
I blame Wojo.
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I blame Wojo.
Did J. Howard have a conversation with him or something?
Illinois is also missing their best player.
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During last night's OK vs. OK St game they showed a graphic that Cunningham's 40 points against OK on Saturday was the 1st time a player has scored 40 against a top 10 team since Novak vs. UConn.
I still have the baseball caps from that night.
Very cool! I still have my t-shirt.
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This is a straight asswhooping by an Ayo-less Illini team. Impressive.
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All teams have dud games but Illinois can really defend.
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UWM/Wright State has been insane. Panthers were down 24 at the under 8 timeout, go on a 35-11 run to tie it at the horn on a last second 3.
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UWM/Wright State has been insane. Panthers were down 24 at the under 8 timeout, go on a 35-11 run to tie it at the horn on a last second 3.
UWM just won it.
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UWM just won it.
On to the Horizon League semi finals. It must be March!
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The entire Horizon League tournament tonight has been utter insanity. I love conference tournament week.
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Cleveland State banks in a 3 at the horn to go to triple overtime! There’s never been a better four quarterfinal games of a mid major tournament than tonight.
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The entire Horizon League tournament tonight has been utter insanity. I love conference tournament week.
Yeah there was a moment a bit ago.
Where one game was over. WIth a 1 pt win.
THe other 3 were in OT or the final two minutes of regulation and all seperated by 1 point.
CSU just banked in a 3 at the horn to send their game to.......Triple OT. Bonkers tourney.
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Some positive news....I see that Duke and Wisconsin lost.
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Game on the line in overtime, opposing team inbounds. How do you defend?
You have your 7'2 bench player, Mabor Majak, guarding the inbounds pass, steal the ball, win the game, all while your entire bench jumps up and down in unison with your inbound defender.
Cleveland State:
https://twitter.com/CBB_Central/status/1366943575523614721?s=19
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Shades of Mbao.
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Shades of Mbao.
reporting for duty 8-)
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Shades of Mbao.
Sounds like the name of his RnB album
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I will say, love Wojo or hate him.
His guys dont completely quit on him like the Gophers with Pitino.
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How good is Belmont? I haven't seen them play.
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How good is Belmont? I haven't seen them play.
They are pretty good, but it’s hard to tell cause they’ve played literally nobody, the OVC is rough. The next best teams after them are barely top 150. They have a HORRIFIC loss to Samford. Their very best wins would be like beating DePaul.
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If Stanford is a bubble team, MU has hope.
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They are pretty good, but it’s hard to tell cause they’ve played literally nobody, the OVC is rough. The next best teams after them are barely top 150. They have a HORRIFIC loss to Samford. Their very best wins would be like beating DePaul.
Looked at their nitty gritty. Literally 0 games against Q1 or Q2 opponents. They are 2-1 against the the top 150. 3-2 against the top 155.
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How good is Belmont? I haven't seen them play.
If you like well-coaches offensive basketball, Belmont is the team for you. Still mad at the 2011 team, though.
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Some positive news....I see that Duke and Wisconsin lost.
Hmm...misery loves company.
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If Stanford is a bubble team, MU has hope.
Stanford got a big assist from the committee when their relocated home games were changed to neutral site games. They played about 40 miles from campus and it most notably moved wins over Arizona & UCLA to Q1. That gives them 4 Q1 wins & along with a winning record is enough to keep them on the fringe. If Marquette had 2 more wins, any two, they'd likely be right there as well.
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They are pretty good, but it’s hard to tell cause they’ve played literally nobody, the OVC is rough. The next best teams after them are barely top 150. They have a HORRIFIC loss to Samford. Their very best wins would be like beating DePaul.
Belmont to the Big East to add the Nashville market.
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How good is Belmont? Relative to what?
Casey Alexander would be the first person to say that their opponents' strength this year hasn't been great. (He's already volunteered this.) However, Belmont is good, as they often are as a program. They went from NAIA, to Independent, to Atlantic Sun Conference, to Ohio Valley, dominating each stop along the way.
Alexander won 30 games as a player 3 times at Belmont. He was an assistant to HOF Coach Rick Byrd for 16 years and help lead them to their first four NCAA appearances. As Head Coach, he led Lipscomb to its first ever NCAA appearance and the NIT Finals. In his two seasons as Head Coach at Belmont, he has gone 50-10, (33-5) with two Regular Season League Titles.
As a coaching candidate, if he had a strong staff with good recruiters for a higher level, I'd say throw the ball up and let's go.
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Stanford got a big assist from the committee when their relocated home games were changed to neutral site games. They played about 40 miles from campus and it most notably moved wins over Arizona & UCLA to Q1. That gives them 4 Q1 wins & along with a winning record is enough to keep them on the fringe. If Marquette had 2 more wins, any two, they'd likely be right there as well.
Yeah and I know their best player has been injured. But, their play last night was way worse than the MU-DePaul slog which is hard to do.
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Tom Izzo’s dedication to hacking, holding and hugging his way to the tournament sure makes for bad basketball
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Tom Izzo’s dedication to hacking, holding and hugging his way to the tournament sure makes for bad basketball
Well said Uncle R.
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Half time line Scotty Pippen:
23 points, 6 for 7 FG, 5 for 5 three's, 6 for 6 FT's.
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Michigan is dropping the hammer on MSU. izzo looks upset, Joey looks disinterested. I wouldn't be surprised if he left East Lansing.
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Michigan is dropping the hammer on MSU. izzo looks upset, Joey looks disinterested. I wouldn't be surprised if he left East Lansing.
I’ll have to say, that thought crossed my mind recently.
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Michigan is dropping the hammer on MSU. izzo looks upset, Joey looks disinterested. I wouldn't be surprised if he left East Lansing.
He’ll be a star at UWGB in easy driving distance for his parents
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Has anyone ever transferred back to a school they transferred from? He is skilled offensively. I'm guessing this isn't the season he imagined.
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I’ll have to say, that thought crossed my mind recently.
Third time a charm for Bucky? They will have a lot of PT available. Joey just simply isn’t at the level of player MSU needs to remain an elite program.
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Has anyone ever transferred back to a school they transferred from? He is skilled offensively. I'm guessing this isn't the season he imagined.
Dont want him. He dont want us. Aint happening.
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Third time a charm for Bucky? They will have a lot of PT available. Joey just simply isn’t at the level of player MSU needs to remain an elite program.
I would think those bridges have been burned to the ground if the stories of how he/Sam jilted them in 2019 are true
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Dont want him. He dont want us. Aint happening.
I was sort of asking in jest. Izzo seems frustrated with him.
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UTEP up 15 on Kansas.
How good was Tiny Archibald in college?
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Of course Izzo is frustrated with Joey.
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Maybe Joey can write a letter asking Wojo to come back.
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Best A game Tower? Zags, Baylor, or Michigan? I love Baylor's guards.
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Best A game Tower? Zags, Baylor, or Michigan? I love Baylor's guards.
Zags 100%
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Yeah and I know their best player has been injured. But, their play last night was way worse than the MU-DePaul slog which is hard to do.
I think their last 4 games have tumbled them out. I think they're closer on paper than they will be in the Committee room.
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Maybe Joey can write a letter asking Wojo to come back.
Well played BLM! Lol.
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Maybe Joey can write a letter asking Wojo to come back.
If he wants to come back to MU, lots of Scoopers would probably prefer he write a letter to Brian Wardle or Porter Moser.
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If he wants to come back to MU, lots of Scoopers would probably prefer he write a letter to Brian Wardle or Porter Moser.
He can just craft his treatise on this website Goooo? And perhaps drop a poem or a short story? J Hauser may give J. Joyce a run for his money and pen the American version of "The Dead".
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He can just craft his treatise on this website Goooo? And perhaps drop a poem or a short story? J Hauser may give J. Joyce a run for his money and pen the American version of "The Dead".
Given that it’s Scoop, he should probably write a haiku.
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Coach,
Things are looking down
Softserve wants another chance
Second time’s a charm
xoxo,
J
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Given that it’s Scoop, he should probably write a haiku.
Oh.....I hadn't even thought of that! I think we should all do mock preemptive letters, haikus, poems, short stories, or perhaps a children's novel with illustrations?
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Coach,
Things are looking down
Softserve wants another chance
Second time’s a charm
xoxo,
J
This is fking brilliant Goooo!! If I was on the Nobel in Literature committee you would have my vote
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I don’t know why people are ragging on Joey. I mean, with 4 minutes to go in this 100-point loss he had contributed 2 points and zero rebounds to MSU’s cause.
But at least he’ll always have memories of keeping Herro away from Marquette and then leading a mutiny to ruin our best season in years.
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If you love college basketball, tomorrow is one of the best days of the year. Conference tournament weeks are way more fun than the first round of the tournament. Tomorrow gives you games nonstop from 10am-1am.
Jacksonville St will give Belmont a run, my sleeper Sweet 16 team Georgia Tech is going to lay the wood (-9 by the way) on an awful Wake team, Buffalo/Kent State is going to be near 200 points scored...can’t wait, love this next week.
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If you love college basketball, tomorrow is one of the best days of the year. Conference tournament weeks are way more fun than the first round of the tournament. Tomorrow gives you games nonstop from 10am-1am.
Jacksonville St will give Belmont a run, my sleeper Sweet 16 team Georgia Tech is going to lay the wood (-9 by the way) on an awful Wake team, Buffalo/Kent State is going to be near 200 points scored...can’t wait, love this next week.
No.
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No.
I tend to agree with you, but championship week is close. It is a lot of fun.
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No.
Yes.
Better lines, better DFS options, it’s the best.
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The early rounds of the small conference tourneys don't interest me much, but I love the championship games where two teams are fighting for one bid. To me, those games are as exciting as the first Thursday and Friday of the dance.
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If you love college basketball, tomorrow is one of the best days of the year. Conference tournament weeks are way more fun than the first round of the tournament. Tomorrow gives you games nonstop from 10am-1am.
Jacksonville St will give Belmont a run, my sleeper Sweet 16 team Georgia Tech is going to lay the wood (-9 by the way) on an awful Wake team, Buffalo/Kent State is going to be near 200 points scored...can’t wait, love this next week.
I liked the O155 as well.
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The early rounds of the small conference tourneys don't interest me much, but I love the championship games where two teams are fighting for one bid. To me, those games are as exciting as the first Thursday and Friday of the dance.
Agreed. Today doesn't interest me all that much, but tomorrow evening through next Friday is a great stretch.
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Dayton lost, doggone it!
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Will Miller last in Arizona?
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Will Miller last in Arizona?
Beginning to sound more and more like he won’t. I’m not sure other than financial reasons, why they’d keep him around. Program stuck in neutral along with ethics concerns seems like a good time for a reset for both parties honestly
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Beginning to sound more and more like he won’t. I’m not sure other than financial reasons, why they’d keep him around. Program stuck in neutral along with ethics concerns seems like a good time for a reset for both parties honestly
There could be a few players we can go after if he's canned? I'll admit I haven't watched Zona much.
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Beginning to sound more and more like he won’t. I’m not sure other than financial reasons, why they’d keep him around. Program stuck in neutral along with ethics concerns seems like a good time for a reset for both parties honestly
The contract was rewritten recently with a very broad “for cause” escape clause. With the recent allegations he should be gone by by Monday. Wojo to Tucson!
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There could be a few players we can go after if he's canned? I'll admit I haven't watched Zona much.
Assuming Akinjo goes pro, they have a couple nice freshmen that I imagine will be hot commodities. Tubelis and Mathurin
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Ok.State is about to beat West. V and without Cunningham and another starter.
Hopefully Huggy is alright.....doesn't look good to me.
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14th year senior Traci Carter pours in 23 pts to get Hartford to the second America East Tourney title game in school history. Beat Vermont on the road. Never made an NCAA tourney, even during the Vin Baker years. Crazy.
Given the abnormal nature of the season, they play in the final at home next week against UMass Lowell, who also has never made a tourney. Hartford also beat Albany who, with Vermont, have most of the active AMEAST tourney appearances
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I hate to say it but the B14 20+ year streak could be broken this year. Both Illinois and Michigan have a really good chance. I will be rooting for Gonzaga but their lack of recent competition concerns me.
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I hate to say it but the B14 20+ year streak could be broken this year. Both Illinois and Michigan have a really good chance. I will be rooting for Gonzaga but their lack of recent competition concerns me.
Fortunately they will have 3 games against quality competition before facing either Illinois or Michigan in a final 4(looking like the soonest they could meet).
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Who will Coach K blame for not getting in the tournament?
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14th year senior Traci Carter pours in 23 pts to get Hartford to the second America East Tourney title game in school history. Beat Vermont on the road. Never made an NCAA tourney, even during the Vin Baker years. Crazy.
Given the abnormal nature of the season, they play in the final at home next week against UMass Lowell, who also has never made a tourney. Hartford also beat Albany who, with Vermont, have most of the active AMEAST tourney appearances
Would be nice to see Traci get into the tournament after all these years.
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Hoo, hey?
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Will Belmont get in if they lose this game at 24-4?
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Will Belmont get in if they lose this game at 24-4?
0% chance
If we finish the year at .500 or better. We literally would have better odds.
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0% chance
If we finish the year at .500 or better. We literally would have better odds.
Yup, zero games against P6 teams vs our 23rd P6 game after tonight. No chance.
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Belmont had a lot of non-conference games and tourney cancelled due to Covid-19. Some of those teams included USC, Western Kentucky, Gonzaga, Boise St., SLU, Michigan St., Xavier.
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Belmont had a lot of non-conference games and tourney cancelled due to Covid-19. Some of those teams included USC, Western Kentucky, Gonzaga, Boise St., SLU, Michigan St., Xavier.
They have no chance. I’d much rather see them than the 8th place team of a power conference but such is the structure of college basketball
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I think Belmont is out, but I wouldn't say no chance. They lost a lot of high-major opportunities due to COVID, so their SOS isn't their fault. I suspect they needed 1 fewer loss, but if the Selection Committee takes COVID into account, they might sneak into the last 4.
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How do people feel about FOX/FS1 studio people and analysts? I think they need to revamp these shows. CBS /CBSSN (notwithstanding Ryan Hollins) do an excellent job, especially their postgame show. Szczerbiak and Rothstein are very good at what they do and the host is always always solid as well. I just feel Fox/FS1 can step their game up in these areas.
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What happened to Weiskamp? That's a huge loss for Iowa if it's a serious injury.
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What happened to Weiskamp? That's a huge loss for Iowa if it's a serious injury.
Ankle sprain as he got tangled up with. Bucky player. He was having a great game at that point.
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Ankle sprain as he got tangled up with. Bucky player. He was having a great game at that point.
Ty Nukem. That sucks.
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They have no chance. I’d much rather see them than the 8th place team of a power conference but such is the structure of college basketball
Not an issue as they’re rolling. A 13 someone doesn’t want to see matched up with them.
Kelsey is an impressive coach. A Prosser guy, WF and X, strong recruiter abd eye for talent (PG, one of the National leaders in assists) was a transfer up from D2, five 20 win seasons (two more with 19). I’d like seeing him roam the home sideline in the FF. Plus one of the first coaches I’ve with a visible tattoo.
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Not an issue as they’re rolling. A 13 someone doesn’t want to see matched up with them.
Kelsey is an impressive coach. A Prosser guy, WF and X, strong recruiter, five 20 win seasons. I’d like seeing him roam the home sideline in the FF. Plus one of the first coaches I’ve with a visible tattoo.
I think you're confused Billy. Belmont lost yesterday. Winthrop is rolling. Kelsey should definitely be on our radar.
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I think you're confused Billy. Belmont lost yesterday. Winthrop is rolling. Kelsey should definitely be on our radar.
Yep, my bad. Lunardi was talking about them as not getting an at large bid.
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Disappointing that Weiskamp is out. Was hoping Whisky could stay on the 8 line. DeCoursy has the weasel/rodents as an 8.
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Disappointing that Weiskamp is out. Was hoping Whisky could stay on the 8 line. DeCoursy has the weasel/rodents as an 8.
Iowa will win this game
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Iowa will win this game
Boy I hope you're right. Doesn't look great.
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9 ppg ... 3 reb ... 41% ...
Is there a bigger disappointment in the entire country than Nate Reuters?
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9 ppg ... 3 reb ... 41% ...
Is there a bigger disappointment in the entire country than Nate Reuters?
Joey Hauser?
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Joey Hauser?
Good point.
Two guys with lotsa hype ended up being big stiffs.
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Thriller in Houston.
Barring a miracle shot by Houston, we will be going to OT after Memphis hits a 3 to tie with 1.5 left.
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Thriller in Houston.
Barring a miracle shot by Houston, we will be going to OT after Memphis hits a 3 to tie with 1.5 left.
Omg!!!
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Thriller in Houston.
Barring a miracle shot by Houston, we will be going to OT after Memphis hits a 3 to tie with 1.5 left.
Holy sh it. And they let the miracle happen. Awful D.
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Holy sh it. And they let the miracle happen. Awful D.
One of the best endings of the season. I’ve never seen a bounce pass for a prayer shot.
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Wow. USC nails a game winning three to beat UCLA on CBS. Now, Houston banks in a buzzer beater!
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Longest bounce pass for Hail Mary shot in basketball history.
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One of the best endings of the season. I’ve never seen a bounce pass for a prayer shot.
Yeah the bounce pass was crazy impressive. The two defenders then seemed way to afraid to foul and didnt contest at all.
But that pass and ending were great.
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Yeah the bounce pass was crazy impressive. The two defenders then seemed way to afraid to foul and didnt contest at all.
But that pass and ending were great.
Which is dumb because they still had a foul to give. I wouldn’t put it past Penny to have failed to mention that in the huddle.
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Props to the ref who called that foul on Trice.
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Props to the ref who called that foul on Trice.
And now a hook and hold double foul on Davison.
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Floppy McNutpuncher is so effen dirty.
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Floppy McNutpuncher is so effen dirty.
So happy they made that call!!
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If only the refs would look at a few replays ...
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Keep in mind this would not have been a close game with Wieskamp. Key, key, player for Iowa. Changes everything for their offense. How bad did the injury look?
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Davison is disgraceful.....just sayin.
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Badgers 3-8 down the stretch. Wins against 3 of the 4 Weakling Wednesday participants in the BIG.
Wisconsin has inflated BIG10 computer numbers. But overall a resume of little in terms of wins.
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Keep in mind this would not have been a close game with Wieskamp. Key, key, player for Iowa. Changes everything for their offense. How bad did the injury look?
Hard to tell. He did have a boot on on, but who knows.
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Badgers 3-8 down the stretch. Wins against 3 of the 4 Weakling Wednesday participants in the BIG.
Wisconsin has inflated BIG10 computer numbers. But overall a resume of little in terms of wins.
Yup. I would like them on the 8/9 line.
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Davison is disgraceful.....just sayin.
I turned on the game at a stoppage in play and of course was a review of something Davison did. Of course Badgers Twitter thinks he’s just a victim of his unearned reputation.
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I turned on the game at a stoppage in play and of course was a review of something Davison did. Of course Badgers Twitter thinks he%u2019s just a victim of his unearned reputation.
I thought he made an additional dirty play down the stretch. He's horrible for the game.
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I really hope Drake makes it if they lose this game to Loyola.
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Sucks that Houston won that game. I hate Penny as a coach because he came in talking about how Memphis wants “all that smoke” and had been pretty average for that kind of talk. But many has Houston been acting scared for a top 10 team. First Gonzaga tries to schedule them but they turn it down to play some no name school. Then Memphis has two games they need to make up, Wichita State and Houston. The conference scheduled the Houston makeup game since Houston did not have a game over the last entire week of the season, while Memphis had games on Wednesday and yesterday. Houston told the conference basically there’s only 4 good teams in the conference, we played all 6 games against the 3 other top teams in the conference while Wichita State is going to win the conference because they’ve only played 3 games against the other top teams in the conference so they should have to play Memphis while we have a full week off. The cancelled game between Memphis and Houston was supposed to be at Memphis, but because Memphis was the team with covid cases Houston now got the game at home.
For a top 2 projected seed you’d think they’d be less concerned about losing to a Memphis or Gonzaga, less about an uneven conference schedule letting someone else win a conference title, and more about trying to prepare for a deep March run.
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Not an issue as they’re rolling. A 13 someone doesn’t want to see matched up with them.
Kelsey is an impressive coach. A Prosser guy, WF and X, strong recruiter abd eye for talent (PG, one of the National leaders in assists) was a transfer up from D2, five 20 win seasons (two more with 19). I’d like seeing him roam the home sideline in the FF. Plus one of the first coaches I’ve with a visible tattoo.
I’m a big Kelsey fan. Very surprised he hasn’t jumped to something bigger yet. Chris Mack is very effusive of him
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I thought he made an additional dirty play down the stretch. He's horrible for the game.
I don’t know how you can have a foul and a hook and hold there.
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I don’t know how you can have a foul and a hook and hold there.
It was an unusual call, true. I thought Davison hooked him and also tripped that same player a few possessions earlier. He does dirty things every game.
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I don’t know how you can have a foul and a hook and hold there.
Same thing happened in a gopher game recently
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I don’t know how you can have a foul and a hook and hold there.
I believe I've heard it explained this way:
No matter what replay shows, it can't be used to change a foul. So once the foul was called on the Iowa player there was no reversing it.
But the replay can be used to assess a flagrant foul, and they correctly ruled that Floppy did a hook-and-hold.
Having made that ruling, the only possible call was two FTs for each player (because both teams were in the double-bonus) and Iowa gets the ball.
Kinda related ...
They looked at replays 8,553 times in that game, but the one time they didn't came after the jump ball in which the Iowa player pretty violently flung his elbow into the face of a Madison player. I was surprised how quickly the ref handed the ball to Madison for the inbound pass because I expected a 5-minute delay to review it.
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I believe I've heard it explained this way:
No matter what replay shows, it can't be used to change a foul. So once the foul was called on the Iowa player there was no reversing it.
That makes sense.
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Gard going off in his presser is high comedy. Acting like Davison’s reputation is all manufactured by other schools and media.
https://twitter.com/georgebalekji/status/1368656890637467648?s=21
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I believe I've heard it explained this way:
No matter what replay shows, it can't be used to change a foul. So once the foul was called on the Iowa player there was no reversing it.
But the replay can be used to assess a flagrant foul, and they correctly ruled that Floppy did a hook-and-hold.
Having made that ruling, the only possible call was two FTs for each player (because both teams were in the double-bonus) and Iowa gets the ball.
Kinda related ...
They looked at replays 8,553 times in that game, but the one time they didn't came after the jump ball in which the Iowa player pretty violently flung his elbow into the face of a Madison player. I was surprised how quickly the ref handed the ball to Madison for the inbound pass because I expected a 5-minute delay to review it.
I kind of disagree on both of these. In slow mo replay sure Davison grabbed the Iowa player’s arm. But in real time he’s basically just running there. His arm got “hooked” for like a quarter of a second. There is no intent and really no danger of a shoulder injury there. To me, I think replay needs to be done at real time, no zoom, and with a 30-60 second time limit. If you can’t make a call with that, it’s not really conclusive. I think it’s good to have replay but I think it can be detrimental at times.
And the jump ball, to me Bohanon’s back hit Anderson and Anderson just took an absolute flop. Anderson also tried to flop after Iowa got the ball to ice the game away. I didn’t think the elbow actually came close to hitting Anderson anywhere. But I’ve seen players T’d up for the same slamming the ball into the ground he did after the jump ball. Play is at about 9:40 here.
https://youtu.be/VdEQrqKSTfU
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Add Michigan to the list of teams that will be going into the tournament at less than full strength.
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Greg Gard and Brad Davison can eat all the d****
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Add Michigan to the list of teams that will be going into the tournament at less than full strength.
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Who got hurt Blue? You're team seems to be asleep today. Give Juwan a call.
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I’m a big Kelsey fan. Very surprised he hasn’t jumped to something bigger yet. Chris Mack is very effusive of him
Personally would avoid. He's having a great year and will likely jump but think it's a bit smoke and mirrors. They've played exactly two games against KenPom top 175 teams. Hes built the Winthrop program but typically performs to expectations rather than exceeding them. Other better candidates IMHO
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Greg Gard and Brad Davison can eat all the d****
Gard appears to be unhappy Uncle R.
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I kind of disagree on both of these. In slow mo replay sure Davison grabbed the Iowa player’s arm. But in real time he’s basically just running there. His arm got “hooked” for like a quarter of a second. There is no intent and really no danger of a shoulder injury there. To me, I think replay needs to be done at real time, no zoom, and with a 30-60 second time limit. If you can’t make a call with that, it’s not really conclusive. I think it’s good to have replay but I think it can be detrimental at times.
And the jump ball, to me Bohanon’s back hit Anderson and Anderson just took an absolute flop. Anderson also tried to flop after Iowa got the ball to ice the game away. I didn’t think the elbow actually came close to hitting Anderson anywhere. But I’ve seen players T’d up for the same slamming the ball into the ground he did after the jump ball. Play is at about 9:40 here.
https://youtu.be/VdEQrqKSTfU
We'll disagree on the Davidson play.
The other, I agree with you. I'm just surprised they didn't review it because they reviewed everything else and this looked bad on first blush. I don't believe a review would have resulted in a flagrant.
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Gard appears to be unhappy Uncle R.
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Why is he unhappy? Is he unhappy because he hasn’t corralled Davison’s worst tendencies? Tough luck, Greg. I have no time for players like Buzzcut and the coaches that defend them
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Personally would avoid. He's having a great year and will likely jump but think it's a bit smoke and mirrors. They've played exactly two games against KenPom top 175 teams. Hes built the Winthrop program but typically performs to expectations rather than exceeding them. Other better candidates IMHO
I’d like to see him jump to an A-10 type program like he originally did with UMass.
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Why is he unhappy? Is he unhappy because he hasn’t corralled Davison’s worst tendencies? Tough luck, Greg. I have no time for players like Buzzcut and the coaches that defend them
He thinks they are targeting Davison. I'm not sure that will be a compelling argument but he believes poor Brad has a specific rule designed against him and that he plays the game the right way.
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Yeah ... you know ... punch a few opponents in their nutsacks and then poor you just can't get a break from the mean refs and evil media!
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I’m a big Kelsey fan. Very surprised he hasn’t jumped to something bigger yet. Chris Mack is very effusive of him
He bailed on UMASS at the 25th hour after they already scheduled a presser for his announcement. Then he was a done deal at NKU and then got into a dispute over buyout amounts and they walked away.
I think he’s a good coach and his track record at Winthrop is very solid, but there is a justified stink on him when it comes to new job searching I think. Now if it means he ends up jumping to a BEast level job straight away and not a mid major, it all worked out. But I do think it’s set his potential career back a few years
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I%u2019d like to see him jump to an A-10 type program like he originally did with UMass.
Gard believes refs react to Davison like restaurant owners with all you can eat buffets react to Sumo wrestlers. Utter horror and disgust. He feels it's unfair and demands sympathy.
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Who got hurt Blue? You're team seems to be asleep today. Give Juwan a call.
Brooks was carried off the court with a sprained ankle, and Livers has been playing hurt after spraining an ankle last week.
Michigan is playing like a team that has already clinched its conference championship and just wants to get this string of 6 games in 2 weeks over with.
MSU has quite a bit more motivation. Not only do they need a win to get into the NCAA but it’s Senior Day, which we know is worth 10-15 points.
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Brooks was carried off the court with a sprained ankle, and Livers has been playing hurt after spraining an ankle last week.
Michigan is playing like a team that has already clinched its conference championship and just wants to get this string of 6 games in 2 weeks over with.
MSU has quite a bit more motivation. Not only do they need a win to get into the NCAA but it’s Senior Day, which we know is worth 10-15 points.
That's too bad. Still a very poor performance from Michigan Blue. It's like they are handing Mich St. a spot in the tournament.
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If they weren’t with wins at West Virginia and over Oklahoma State, Baylor is very back now.
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Gard believes refs react to Davison like restaurant owners with all you can eat buffets react to Sumo wrestlers. Utter horror and disgust. He feels it's unfair and demands sympathy.
Just like his mentor. His teams have NEVER committed a foul. Not even once. Don’t you see how they move their feet on D!!!
The funniest thing about Davidson is they are going to bat for someone who is historically bad from the floor. He’s shooting 22% from inside the arc this season. I mean my GOD. It’s not like you’re defending Grayson Allen who was an ass but still an AA and first round draft pick. Davidson is a destitute man’s dollar store Aaron Craft, with an established dirty streak. What a scrub.
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Alright so i know how we can dance.
Cain on Wednesday can shoot like MaCio Teague
Then Greg can do it Thursday
Dj on Friday
And just to really shock the world, Sy on Saturday
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If they weren’t with wins at West Virginia and over Oklahoma State, Baylor is very back now.
No doubt. They're also experienced.
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For the first time in 25 years, the Drexel Dragons are dancing.
For the first time in 12 years, Cleveland St. dances too.
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Glad the Zags won.
Tournament will be more interesting with them going for a perfect season.
I'll take the field!
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Glad the Zags won.
Tournament will be more interesting with them going for a perfect season.
I'll take the field!
Perfection hasn't cut down the nets in 45 years. I'm definitely rooting for perfection, the ultimate underdog.
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Perfection hasn't cut down the nets in 45 years. I'm definitely rooting for perfection, the ultimate underdog.
I like the way you phrase that!
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I like the way you phrase that!
If we don't run the table in the BET I'm rooting for the Zags..... but am a bit concerned. Outside the top 5 who would be your four teams that could legitimately cut the nets? I'm leaning Baylor as the favorite.
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If we don't run the table in the BET I'm rooting for the Zags..... but am a bit concerned. Outside the top 5 who would be your four teams that could legitimately cut the nets? I'm leaning Baylor as the favorite.
None. Will take quite the exceeding expectation run
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None. Will take quite the exceeding expectation run
You could very well be right....we could see a lot of chalk. UCONN and Oklahoma St. would be my sleepers. I will also be rooting for Winthrop and Loyola.
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Woah, Duke out of the ACC tourneys due to a COVID positive. Had they beat FSU today some bracketologists said they’d be in. What now? Convenient excuse for the committee to put them in?
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They may not even be able to play if they make the field. I think even Saturday theoretically put them out of the 10 day quarantine window. (Unless I don't understand all of the rules here.)
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Pretty sure Duke is done, but this might make Sunday evening a little more interesting.
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Player did not play versus Louisville. So, one would think that is good news for Louisville.
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Woah, Duke out of the ACC tourneys due to a COVID positive. Had they beat FSU today some bracketologists said they’d be in. What now? Convenient excuse for the committee to put them in?
Can't lose if you don't play. K wanted this year over as bad as Wojo did.
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Player did not play versus Louisville. So, one would think that is good news for Louisville.
I was looking at Louisville’s resume and am pretty baffled at how they are even on the bubble. They’ve been terrible this year and really shouldn’t be in.
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Only 1 bad loss (Miami), a handful of OK wins (including regular-season sweep of Duke). Hard to find 37 better at-large resumes. Gotta fill the field. Kind of where MU was last year at this time.
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Pretty sure Duke is done, but this might make Sunday evening a little more interesting.
The argument I saw last night (pretty sure it was FS1) was if they're near the bubble they get in because they're Duke and people want to see Duke play. I don't buy it but who knows what the committee is thinking. If it's between Duke and a mid-major Duke is going to get in because of the bias against mid-majors the Power Five members of the committee have.
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I see that Duke had another COVID outbreak and Maryland beat Mich St. Neither team deserves to be in the NCAA tournament. Is it conceivable Coach K didn't want to play this game vs FSU?
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I see that Duke had another COVID outbreak and Maryland beat Mich St. Neither team deserves to be in the NCAA tournament. Is it conceivable Coach K didn't want to play this game vs FSU?
Got to find 38 at large teams.
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Virginia with a buzzer beating three to eliminate Syracuse from the ACC Tournament.
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I see that Duke had another COVID outbreak and Maryland beat Mich St. Neither team deserves to be in the NCAA tournament. Is it conceivable Coach K didn't want to play this game vs FSU?
Anything’s possible. And think about it: This is the guy our coach idolizes. This is the guy he learned everything he knows from. When Nate Oates called out K, whose side do you think Wojo took? That’s the kind of guy we’re dealing with here.
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Anything’s possible. And think about it: This is the guy our coach idolizes. This is the guy he learned everything he knows from. When Nate Oates called out K, whose side do you think Wojo took? That’s the kind of guy we’re dealing with here.
Oats was spot-on earlier in the season. This isn't debatable imo.
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Anything’s possible. And think about it: This is the guy our coach idolizes. This is the guy he learned everything he knows from. When Nate Oates called out K, whose side do you think Wojo took? That’s the kind of guy we’re dealing with here.
Yeah. Imagine learning from the best college basketball coach in the past 40 years. What a shame.
But I'm all in on Duke showing up to the ACC Tournament, playing Louisville, and then faking a covid positive so they don't have to continue to play the tournament they had already started playing.
LOL!
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They may not even be able to play if they make the field. I think even Saturday theoretically put them out of the 10 day quarantine window. (Unless I don't understand all of the rules here.)
Theoretically, they could be allowed in if they don't have more positives and meet the quarantine requirements. That said, the quotes from K and the Duke AD sound pretty final:
Duke AD Kevin White: The cancellation "will end our 2020-21 season."
K: "I loved the 2020-21 Duke Basketball team and was honored to be their coach."
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31045210/what-know-know-duke-positive-covid-19-test
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My theory, K wanted to tell his guys that they were going to be one of the only 2 teams to end their year with a win! lol
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3. NCAA, NIT. Most years CBI.
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Archie Miller hearing the boo birds.
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Archie Miller hearing the boo birds.
Watching this game made me think of how Dawson had a top 3 of Indiana, Minnesota & Marquette. Archie, Pitino, Wojo oof
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/3ohzdYJK1wAdPWVk88/200.gif)
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Watching this game made me think of how Dawson had a top 3 of Indiana, Minnesota & Marquette. Archie, Pitino, Wojo oof
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/3ohzdYJK1wAdPWVk88/200.gif)
I always thought that even though he’s a Minny guy, that was a really weird list for an AA.
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Will Miller or Ricky P be back?
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Will Miller or Ricky P be back?
Little Ricky is done, maybe as soon as tomorrow.
Miller’s buyout is likely too big. One more season.
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Little Ricky is done, maybe as soon as tomorrow.
Miller’s buyout is likely too big. One more season.
Thx Billy.
WWLRD?? :)
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Ad revenue for 'March Madness' set to hit record after year away
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3671874-ad-revenue-for-march-madness-set-to-hit-record-after-year-away?mail_subject=t-ad-revenue-for-march-madness-set-to-hit-record-after-year-away&utm_campaign=rta-stock-news&utm_content=link-1&utm_medium=email&utm_source=seeking_alpha
Advertising revenue for "March Madness" - the annual NCAA men's basketball tournament - has "virtually sold out," hitting record levels just a week out from the start.
That's a welcome rebound after last year's cancellation of the tournament punched a hole in ad revenues.
In 2019 ads brought a $910M windfall, but last year's tournament was canceled due to the COVID-19 outbreak.
Now CBS (VIAC +3.8%, VIACA +3.7%) and Turner Sports (T -0.4%) are in "great shape going into Selection Sunday," says CBS' John Bogusz. The two companies have "never billed as much" as they have this year, Turner's Jon Diament says.
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Virginia-Georgia Tech ACC semifinal cancelled due to a positive test within the Virginia party. Ramifications for the NCAA undetermined
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Perhaps the ACC should cancel the rest of the tournament. All remaining teams are in and its probably best to keep them away from one another.
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Perhaps the ACC should cancel the rest of the tournament. All remaining teams are in and its probably best to keep them away from one another.
Honestly, they should. Imagine if its been spread around that whole tourney and there is no ACC representation in the big dance.
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Cmon ... ewe gunna hyde unndurr yer bedd 4everr, oona?
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Perhaps the ACC should cancel the rest of the tournament. All remaining teams are in and its probably best to keep them away from one another.
Dear Fluffy,
TV inventory
With Regards,
ESPN
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Perhaps the ACC should cancel the rest of the tournament. All remaining teams are in and its probably best to keep them away from one another.
With six ACC vacated slots, MU still has a chance, right?
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With six ACC vacated slots, MU still has a chance, right?
Wojo ready to prove the haters wrong with an NCAA bid this year.
(https://i.imgflip.com/391pr7.jpg)
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Glad I grabbed GT at 25-1 odds to win the ACC tournament two weeks ago.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31050993/virginia-cavaliers-acc-tournament-positive-covid-19-test
Big trouble brewing everyone.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/31050993/virginia-cavaliers-acc-tournament-positive-covid-19-test
Big trouble brewing everyone.
I know I've said I'm apathetic about Sam leaving but nothing would make me happier in this season than him thinking he dodged a bullet by transferring and still not having an NCAA tournament to play in his senior season
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Two teams out of the ACC tourney due to covid. Are they doing something wrong, does the ACC have different policy than the BE, or just more contact (tracing). i.e. - Moore from SJU was held out due to a positive covid test, but the team could still play.
It'd be a shame if Sam doesn't get his tourney this year, but that's also part of the "suck it up, buttercup" that we've all had to do.
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What's going on in the Maryland/Michigan game, I just flipped it on to see coaches ready to fight?
I found this, bus still unclear what led to it:
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1370436425943019522
More from Galli:
https://twitter.com/BradGalli/status/1370438966671982592
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Two teams out of the ACC tourney due to covid. Are they doing something wrong, does the ACC have different policy than the BE, or just more contact (tracing). i.e. - Moore from SJU was held out due to a positive covid test, but the team could still play.
It'd be a shame if Sam doesn't get his tourney this year, but that's also part of the "suck it up, buttercup" that we've all had to do.
It would be an unmitigated disaster if games are canceled during the NCAA tournament. To think that there won't be any positive tests is naive. The question is will they amend protocols? Because if they do not they could kiss this very anticipated tournament goodbye. Not to mention a crapload of cash.
We will never get to a point where you can assure 100% safety. If that's the goal there should never be a sporting event played, ever. COVID will be thwarted with vaccines, just like the flu, but it will never be eradicated.
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Teams aren't going to play if they have positive tests. Maybe MU gets in after all.
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Teams aren't going to play if they have positive tests. Maybe MU gets in after all.
How many positive tests will there need to be in the NIT for MU to get the invite?
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A lot. But how many programs are going to decide to stay home rather than play in the NIT. I could/should have tealed my comment about MU. But, for the sake of argument, say 30+ programs have to/choose to not participate. If it gets all of the way to MU, what would you want the team to do?
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A lot. But how many programs are going to decide to stay home rather than play in the NIT. I could/should have tealed my comment about MU. But, for the sake of argument, say 30+ programs have to/choose to not participate. If it gets all of the way to MU, what would you want the team to do?
Considering how hard this season was on the team according to Wojo, I would expect them to decline the invite.
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It was mentioned in the Xavier thread that it would be tricky to reassemble the team and get them ready to play at this point. Probably true.
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Teams aren't going to play if they have positive tests. Maybe MU gets in after all.
Because of the liability? Then why was there a season at all? And how many people have died or been hospitalized from COvID spread in athletic competitions across the world? What's that number and how does it compare to say spread and hospitalizations from airplanes or grocery stores? If elderly coaches haven't been vaccinated or are worried can they Zoom coach?
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Because of the liability? Then why was there a season at all? And how many people have died or been hospitalized from COvID spread in athletic competitions across the world? What's that number and how does it compare to say spread and hospitalizations from airplanes or grocery stores? If elderly coaches haven't been vaccinated or are worried can they Zoom coach?
NCAA rules require seven days of negative COVID tests before they come to Indianapolis and daily testing once they are there.
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So, Muggsy, it will only take a few.
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NCAA rules require seven days of negative COVID tests before they come to Indianapolis and daily testing once they are there.
Technically then the UVA spot is open?
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I am curious about whether or not they could be moved to a Friday game.
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I am curious about whether or not they could be moved to a Friday game.
The tournament starts on Friday.
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Doh. So used to a Thursday start.
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Doh. So used to a Thursday start.
Friday and the final day of the second round is Monday. Four day weekend!
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Kansas with a positive test.
BY GAWD! THAT’S WOJO’S MUSIC!
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https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1370443092709548037
It aint stopping
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Seems these conference tournaments may not have been a good idea.
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Technically then the UVA spot is open?
No, you only need 5 players to field a team.
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They should have either not done the conference tournaments, or had them scheduled a week prior so everyone could isolate in Indy for a week.
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Good grief there are games on the 22nd and 29th? WTH? Will miss a few....smh.
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They should have either not done the conference tournaments, or had them scheduled a week prior so everyone could isolate in Indy for a week.
Exactly. Good point FBM. These people are apparently inept.
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I’ve been saying for weeks that the conference tournaments were a bad idea. How are so many teams going down in such a short period?
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I'm making a motion to allow the MU TBT team to take an NCAA slot.
When does TBT start? Vander?
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By god - Wojo's strategy to tank the GTown game and then quarantine the team in the bunker is actually working!
Extend Wojo's contract NOW!!!
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They should have either not done the conference tournaments, or had them scheduled a week prior so everyone could isolate in Indy for a week.
This would have made too much sense. The tournament should also be shorted and played in a quicker time frame. The kids have been through a lot this year and some teams will be quarantined for weeks now.
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This would have made too much sense.
That i$n't what E$PN $aid....
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By god - Wojo's strategy to tank the GTown game and then quarantine the team in the bunker is actually working!
Extend Wojo's contract NOW!!!
Exactly. And when MU gets into the NCAAT, our opponents will catch C19 and forfeit so Woj gets his first NCAA win!
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By god - Wojo's strategy to tank the GTown game and then quarantine the team in the bunker is actually working!
Extend Wojo's contract NOW!!!
Would be the best bit of coaching he’s done while at MU.
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What's going on in the Maryland/Michigan game, I just flipped it on to see coaches ready to fight?
I found this, bus still unclear what led to it:
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1370436425943019522
More from Galli:
https://twitter.com/BradGalli/status/1370438966671982592
I think Howard and Turgeon were arguing about whether it’s harder for a team to beat an opponent for the third time in a season.
There has also been some tension between the teams stemming from Dickinson woofing at the Maryland bench during their game in MD during the season. Dickinson is a Maryland native and wasn’t recruited by the Terps and he apparently had something to say about it.
Also, Turgeon apparently started barking at Howard for being out of the coaches box.
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Two teams out of the ACC tourney due to covid. Are they doing something wrong, does the ACC have different policy than the BE, or just more contact (tracing). i.e. - Moore from SJU was held out due to a positive covid test, but the team could still play.
It'd be a shame if Sam doesn't get his tourney this year, but that's also part of the "suck it up, buttercup" that we've all had to do.
Yeah, that would really be a damn shame.
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Kansas now done. Out of their tourney.
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With regards to Michigan v Maryland, both coaches spoke after.
Apparently according to both coaches, Turgeon didn't like Howard being outside of the coach's box and complained about it to officials. Howard said,.Really? Is that how we are going to do things today? Turgeon responded by saying, "Don't talk to me, don't ever tall to me again." And Turgeon then Turgeon charged a bit at Howard. Nothing about banners etc...was ever said. This goes back to their previous two meetings this year as well.
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With regards to Michigan v Maryland, both coaches spoke after.
Apparently according to both coaches, Turgeon didn't like Howard being outside of the coach's box and complained about it to officials. Howard said,.Really? Is that how we are going to do things today? Turgeon responded by saying, "Don't talk to me, don't ever tall to me again." And Turgeon then Turgeon charged a bit at Howard. Nothing about banners etc...was ever said. This goes back to their previous two meetings this year as well.
What would Mark Turgeon know about hanging banners?
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I think Howard and Turgeon were arguing about whether it’s harder for a team to beat an opponent for the third time in a season.
There has also been some tension between the teams stemming from Dickinson woofing at the Maryland bench during their game in MD during the season. Dickinson is a Maryland native and wasn’t recruited by the Terps and he apparently had something to say about it.
Also, Turgeon apparently started barking at Howard for being out of the coaches box.
Thanks. Without knowing any history it was weird to see it escalate that quickly.
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What would Mark Turgeon know about hanging banners?
Assistant on the Larry Brown Danny Manning KU team.
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With regards to Michigan v Maryland, both coaches spoke after.
Apparently according to both coaches, Turgeon didn't like Howard being outside of the coach's box and complained about it to officials. Howard said,.Really? Is that how we are going to do things today? Turgeon responded by saying, "Don't talk to me, don't ever tall to me again." And Turgeon then Turgeon charged a bit at Howard. Nothing about banners etc...was ever said. This goes back to their previous two meetings this year as well.
Just thought I’d bring back this gem if we are talking confrontations with Michigan coaches. Plus this guy knows a thing or two about hanging a banner.
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/03/11/gty-163475430-16_9.jpg?width=660&height=373&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
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For purposes of full disclosure, I once sat next to Mark Turgeon on a long flight years ago. Little can be concluded from one experience, but, I can say that in that experience, he is quick to engage in "spirited debate," and we'll leave it at that.
Nothing really to see here from today. After the game as Phil Martelli was waving to Maryland from a distance, Howard Eisley came over to physically yank Martelli away to go the other direction. (The Michigan staff is close knit and Martelli was quick to credit Eisley for Smith's elite performance in the game)
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Assistant on the Larry Brown Danny Manning KU team.
Fake news
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Assistant on the Larry Brown Danny Manning KU team.
Turgeon was an assistant for both Larry Brown and Roy Williams at Kansas. He is from Kansas (Topeka). He played at Kansas, and being Head Coach there has always been his dream job.
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less filling vs tastes great
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A lot. But how many programs are going to decide to stay home rather than play in the NIT. I could/should have tealed my comment about MU. But, for the sake of argument, say 30+ programs have to/choose to not participate. If it gets all of the way to MU, what would you want the team to do?
I would want the team to decline. It’s like when a girl tries to date 3 guys on the football team, gets denied or heart broken, and then goes for the nerd in Latin club. Only a sucker that reeks of desperation would accept being second choice in that scenario (or 30th in your scenario).
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I would want the team to decline. It’s like when a girl tries to date 3 guys on the football team, gets denied or heart broken, and then goes for the nerd in Latin club. Only a sucker that reeks of desperation would accept being second choice in that scenario (or 30th in your scenario).
Wasn't there once a qualifier who won the British or US Open? I do get your point but why the hostility towards Latin and nerds?
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I would want the team to decline. It’s like when a girl tries to date 3 guys on the football team, gets denied or heart broken, and then goes for the nerd in Latin club. Only a sucker that reeks of desperation would accept being second choice in that scenario (or 30th in your scenario).
is that all 3 on the same night? who get's heart broken there? ;) so glad i didn't have daughters
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Wasn't there once a qualifier who won the British or US Open? I do get your point but why the hostility towards Latin and nerds?
Well in theory if 30+ teams deny the NIT, it becomes a joke, asteriks version of the real tournament and winning it wouldn’t be at all impressive. So the prospect of winning the tourney after 30+ teams in front of us decline an invite does not excite me nor should it really excite anyone.
Also no hostility towards Latin or nerds (I took it in high school, myself) - just a dumbed down metaphor for understanding purposes only. Insert whatever stereotypical “nerdy” or “loser” subject / words that you want.
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What would Mark Turgeon know about hanging banners?
Maryland was the Big Ten regular season champs (tied) last season.
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Maryland was the Big Ten regular season champs (tied) last season.
Fake news
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Great job by the Ok. St coach and how they are guarding Baylor. They are basically not checking their 5 and daring hin to shoot from 8 feet.
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With regards to Michigan v Maryland, both coaches spoke after.
Apparently according to both coaches, Turgeon didn't like Howard being outside of the coach's box and complained about it to officials. Howard said,.Really? Is that how we are going to do things today? Turgeon responded by saying, "Don't talk to me, don't ever tall to me again." And Turgeon then Turgeon charged a bit at Howard. Nothing about banners etc...was ever said. This goes back to their previous two meetings this year as well.
I don't believe that for a second. "Don't hang the banner, your banners come down" is way too good of a line for someone to have just pretended Turgeon said it.
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I like McDermotts adjustments down 11-2 CU started taking most everything to the rack. Not sure if he did that since UConn was doing that but it worked 19-19
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I know I've said I'm apathetic about Sam leaving but nothing would make me happier in this season than him thinking he dodged a bullet by transferring and still not having an NCAA tournament to play in his senior season
icky, just icky.
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Really need Iowa to get it together and come back. The narrative this week about Wisconsin rallying around the cruel treatment and mis-characterization of Davidson has been gag worthy. Dude has had dirty plays ever season of his career, it’s not some rogue official out to get him
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Really need Iowa to get it together and come back. The narrative this week about Wisconsin rallying around the cruel treatment and mis-characterization of Davidson has been gag worthy. Dude has had dirty plays ever season of his career, it’s not some rogue official out to get him
Yes. Iowa 0-10 from downtown? Brutal.
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I'm rooting for Wisconsin because I want it to help Marquette's shot at the NCAA tournament, right?
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All those 30-year-olds on the Madison team, and they can't get the ball inbounds ... and they don't know what 1-and-1 means.
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All those 30-year-olds on the Madison team, and they can't get the ball inbounds ... and they don't know what 1-and-1 means.
Greg Gard blows
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All those 30-year-olds on the Madison team, and they can't get the ball inbounds ... and they don't know what 1-and-1 means.
Lol.. It reminded me of when Trice fell down vs Chiozza. Wooops.
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Insane stat. This is the first time since 1996 that the ACC tourney final will not have either Duke or UNC.
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Well in theory if 30+ teams deny the NIT, it becomes a joke, asteriks version of the real tournament and winning it wouldn’t be at all impressive. So the prospect of winning the tourney after 30+ teams in front of us decline an invite does not excite me nor should it really excite anyone.
Also no hostility towards Latin or nerds (I took it in high school, myself) - just a dumbed down metaphor for understanding purposes only. Insert whatever stereotypical “nerdy” or “loser” subject / words that you want.
Fair enough.
I can't believe it's been 8 yrs since we won an NCAA tournament game. Tempus Fugit. How do you translate: It's clear as crystal that we need new leadership into Latin?
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Fair enough.
I can't believe it's been 8 yrs since we won an NCAA tournament game. Tempus Fugit. How do you translate: It's clear as crystal that we need new leadership into Latin?
Hinc est quod crystal ducibus opus novum.
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Hinc est quod crystal ducibus opus novum.
Nice!
Can you explain Finnegan's Wake to me when you get a chance?
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I am not sure there is a less sexy Pac 12 final than Colorado v. Oregon State
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Nice!
Can you explain Finnegan's Wake to me when you get a chance?
the farcical use of the main characters last name to depict that he can come to his end more than once and possibly that the dream world and the real world are interconnected.
I don't think there's more to it than that but my insights as solely based on naginiF is just Finigan backwards and not that I'm a literary scholar or Joycean.
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I am not sure there is a less sexy Pac 12 final than Colorado v. Oregon State
Ed McMahon couldn't have set up the 'Buffs vs Beavers' joke better
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Ed McMahon couldn't have set up the 'Buffs vs Beavers' joke better
HEEEEYOOOOO!!!!!
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Ed McMahon couldn't have set up the 'Buffs vs Beavers' joke better
This post might lure Keefe out of his early Scooptirment.
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Hinc est quod crystal ducibus opus novum.
Nerd!
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Jim Phillips, who a few months ago was hired away from Northwestern to serve as ACC commissioner, is getting criticized for not making himself available to answer questions about the tenuous state of the ACC tournament.
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the farcical use of the main characters last name to depict that he can come to his end more than once and possibly that the dream world and the real world are interconnected.
I don't think there's more to it than that but my insights as solely based on naginiF is just Finigan backwards and not that I'm a literary scholar or Joycean.
Thanks! I've been told much of it is just JJ writing for kicks and inventing words to amuse himself. I do know that Joyce was a huge fan of Ibsen. When he was in high school or college, because he wanted to read or research somthing in one of Ibsen's works, he taught himself Dano-Norwegian. Hopefully his teachers gave him some extra credit? :) I will admit that when I read Aristotle at MU I was not tempted to learn Greek as a hobby and was more interested in Greek cuisine.
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Traci Carter and Hartford playing for an NCAA bid on ESPN right now
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Isiah Livers is out indefinitely with a foot injury. That might explain why he has been ineffective the last two weeks and definitely explains why he didn't play in the second half yesterday.
That's a pretty big blow to Michigan's hopes for a deep run in the NCAA tournament.
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Isiah Livers is out indefinitely with a foot injury. That might explain why he has been ineffective the last two weeks and definitely explains why he didn't play in the second half yesterday.
That's a pretty big blow to Michigan's hopes for a deep run in the NCAA tournament.
He’s not their most talented player but he’s arguably their most valuable player outside Wagner
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Ed McMahon couldn't have set up the 'Buffs vs Beavers' joke better
Also forgot that Oregon State's head coach is Wayne Tinkle.
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Traci Carter and Hartford playing for an NCAA bid on ESPN right now
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It looks like Traci will be dancing. Good for him.
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He’s not their most talented player but he’s arguably their most valuable player outside Wagner
That senior leadership and experience is very valuable.
They really struggled when he was out last year.
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It looks like Traci will be dancing. Good for him.
Carter is almost old enough to play for the Badgers.
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Also forgot that Oregon State's head coach is Wayne Tinkle.
Not good when he gets pissed.
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Oh boy.....hopefully Liddell didn't break his wrist.
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Oh boy.....hopefully Liddell didn't break his wrist.
Looks like hes fine. Think it just sent a shock wave through his arm.
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Carter is almost old enough to play for the Badgers.
Well, he will be 25 in June.
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I guess Liddell is alright. Wish we had him.
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Well, he will be 25 in June.
Well, Trice will be 25 in May.
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Wow. I didn't understand that last offensive possession by Michigan. Almost an incredible comeback.
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Wow. I didn't understand that last offensive possession by Michigan. Almost an incredible comeback.
Brutal possession.
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It looks like Traci will be dancing. Good for him.
Delighted for Traci. Happy for all kids associated with the program who achieve success.
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Wow. I didn't understand that last offensive possession by Michigan. Almost an incredible comeback.
Looked like a play Wojo would draw up.for Markus
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It looks like Traci will be dancing. Good for him.
Traci went from a school with rich basketball history in a great conference...to a school with some distant basketball history and small recent success in a solid conference...to a school with no history in a terrible conference...and that’s where he makes the tourney. Kind of funny, but great for him making history in Hartford
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I live in IL so I couldn’t bet it, but if you had the over in Iowa/IL and lost on the waived off 3 at the horn, I feel for ya.
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I live in IL so I couldn’t bet it, but if you had the over in Iowa/IL and lost on the waived off 3 at the horn, I feel for ya.
Luckily I figured Illinois -2.5 was a way better bet. Pounded that all alone.
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I wonder if one of Iona's long term goals with hiring Rick would be a conference upgrade. They would be a smallish A10 school, but would be larger than both St. Bonaventure and Davidson.
Rick is a helluva coach. Always has been.
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I wonder if one of Iona's long term goals with hiring Rick would be a conference upgrade. They would be a smallish A10 school, but would be larger than both St. Bonaventure and Davidson.
Rick is a helluva coach. Always has been.
To your point, some 1 seed is going to get Iona and be at least a little nervous.
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I wonder if one of Iona's long term goals with hiring Rick would be a conference upgrade. They would be a smallish A10 school, but would be larger than both St. Bonaventure and Davidson.
Rick is a helluva coach. Always has been.
Iona recently bought a well respected small nearby school in the Concordia System with incredible real estate . They are going to turn that into a health sciences campus. They are definitely upgrading from an academic perspective. Give them some time to integrate that acquisition and build their academic reputation and it might be possible to move up. Right now they are well positioned in the MAAC.
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I wonder if one of Iona's long term goals with hiring Rick would be a conference upgrade. They would be a smallish A10 school, but would be larger than both St. Bonaventure and Davidson.
Rick is a helluva coach. Always has been.
I never realized how tiny St Bonaventure was. I will say, I wonder if their gym is a barrier for A10 admission. It only seats about 2500. Davidson and St B both have arenas double that size. Duquesne and Fordham have the smallest gyms at 3500, but one is a founding member and the other is a historic gym and a school that gave stability and a NYC presence when Rutgers left the conference in 1995.
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Brad Underwood has locked up a #1 seed in his fourth year. He's getting key contributions from two seniors, his first team AA is a junior, one of his sophomores was named first team All Big Ten, and one of his freshmen was named Sixth Man of the Year (another is a starter).
Again, rebuilding doesn't have to be the long drawn out process some have made it out to be. He had two crappy years, then they were bound for the tourney last year and obviously improved in year four.
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Brad Underwood has locked up a #1 seed in his fourth year. He's getting key contributions from two seniors, his first team AA is a junior, one of his sophomores was named first team All Big Ten, and one of his freshmen was named Sixth Man of the Year (another is a starter).
Again, rebuilding doesn't have to be the long drawn out process some have made it out to be. He had two crappy years, then they were bound for the tourney last year and obviously improved in year four.
Yep. Oats and Mussleman have also done well in the SEC.
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Wow. I didn't understand that last offensive possession by Michigan. Almost an incredible comeback.
It was a bad possession, but it might have been different if either Livers or Wagner had been available.
Two weeks ago Michigan looked like a Final Four contender and now they look like a candidate for a first weekend exit.
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Brad Underwood has locked up a #1 seed in his fourth year. He's getting key contributions from two seniors, his first team AA is a junior, one of his sophomores was named first team All Big Ten, and one of his freshmen was named Sixth Man of the Year (another is a starter).
Again, rebuilding doesn't have to be the long drawn out process some have made it out to be. He had two crappy years, then they were bound for the tourney last year and obviously improved in year four.
3 to 4 years is a very reasonable timeline for a rebuild
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Yep. Oats and Mussleman have also done well in the SEC.
Indeed. And Crean was in the Final Four in his fourth year (with his own players), and Buzz's S16-S16-E8 started in his third year (with his own players).
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3 to 4 years is a very reasonable timeline for a rebuild
Especially considering Underwood actually took over a dumpster fire (if Wojo took over a dumpster fire, I can't imagine what y'all are gonna call what the next guy has to inherit from Wojo).
It took until year five for Wojo to get a single top 25 vote. Big red flag. You gotta build on the fly these days in CBB.
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It was a bad possession, but it might have been different if either Livers or Wagner had been available.
Two weeks ago Michigan looked like a Final Four contender and now they look like a candidate for a first weekend exit.
I think they'll be alright although the Livers injury is an issue. Illinois and Michigan have a real shot imo.
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I haven't watched the SEC too much. How good is Alabama?
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Cunningham looks like the 1st pick to me. Will he play PG like Doncic in the NBA? He's got a lot of versatility in his game.
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I haven't watched the SEC too much. How good is Alabama?
They play fast.
They shoot a ton of 3s otherwise get it to the rack.
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Brad Underwood has locked up a #1 seed in his fourth year. He's getting key contributions from two seniors, his first team AA is a junior, one of his sophomores was named first team All Big Ten, and one of his freshmen was named Sixth Man of the Year (another is a starter).
Again, rebuilding doesn't have to be the long drawn out process some have made it out to be. He had two crappy years, then they were bound for the tourney last year and obviously improved in year four.
In previous years, you would’ve heard any number of “buts” from the usual suspects, with a few even saying things like, “Well, Underwood didn’t make the tournament until his (x)th season as a head coach. Wojo is still learning.” People actually used this logic to compare Wojo to Jay Wright. Laughable.
At least everybody seems to be on the same page now.
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U if I is my second team, got my law degree there . Lou Henson had just arrived, every year he came over before the season started for a lunch discussion about the upcoming season. He was always personable and gracious about it, better than the football coach though Illinois had horrible years while I was there.
So at least I have one alma mater to root for. I was at the game in Rosemont when they beat Arizona to go to the Final Four, one of the best games I ever attended.
And in 2003 they played and lost to Notre Dame in the first game the same day we beat Missouri. I came close to seeing both my teams lose which would have been horrible. I had my Illinois shirt over my MU shirt for the first game, and a Marquette cap on. The cheerleaders arrived early and were passing out stuff to the MU fans and the one by us did a double-take when she saw me lol
Go Illini!
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Cunningham looks like the 1st pick to me. Will he play PG like Doncic in the NBA? He's got a lot of versatility in his game.
Improved their defensive dramatically versus last year. Oats is the real deal as a coach.
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In previous years, you would’ve heard any number of “buts” from the usual suspects, with a few even saying things like, “Well, Underwood didn’t make the tournament until his (x)th season as a head coach. Wojo is still learning.” People actually used this logic to compare Wojo to Jay Wright. Laughable.
At least everybody seems to be on the same page now.
Umm, have you not seen Coach K's record at Army???
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Umm, have you not seen Coach K's record at Army???
If this was Reddit, I’d say, “Have an upvote.”
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Shaka winning Big 12 tourney: done deal.
The first Texas school to win the Big 12 tourney, ever.
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Ohio up 20 at the half on Buffalo. I'm really hoping they get in because they have a terrific PG in Jason Preston. That's not a team 3 seeds are gonna want to see on the 14 line.
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They play fast.
They shoot a ton of 3s otherwise get it to the rack.
F4 dangerous or smoke and mirrors?
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Umm, have you not seen Coach K's record at Army???
I'd like to think that army and Marquette may have slightly different expectations.
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I'd like to think that army and Marquette may have slightly different expectations.
Others didn't, apparently.
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Others didn't, apparently.
Coach K coached Army before he went to Duke. Wojo to Duke?
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Coach K coached Army before he went to Duke. Wojo to Duke?
Wojo to wisconsin would be a dream come true.
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Wojo to wisconsin would be a dream come true.
Lol that would be hilarious !
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Wojo to wisconsin would be a dream come true.
Nm
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"Duke Could Play in the NCAA tourney after all" is flashing at the bottom ofthe ESPN screen. Is this some sort of joke?
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"Duke Could Play in the NCAA tourney after all" is flashing at the bottom ofthe ESPN screen. Is this some sort of joke?
Will they play in the NIT!
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Will they play in the NIT!
It’s a story because they’ll be in the group of teams that can move in
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It%u2019s a story because they%u2019ll be in the group of teams that can move in
And I would imagine other teams can "move in" as well? This is a tean that stated they were done with the season afte a covid positive during the ACC tournament. I believe the AD said they were done. Now apparently they are "open to playing" if they are chosen for any reason.. ESPN is promoting Duke as a potential tourney team and it's totally ridiculous and dishonest imo. The whole thing was probably orchestrated by Coaxh K because be knew they would lose to FSU.
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Congrats to Rick Pitino first coach to take 5 different schools to the NCAA tournament if I read that correctly.
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Congrats to Rick Pitino first coach to take 5 different schools to the NCAA tournament if I read that correctly.
No there have been others. Lon Kruger for example. I believe Rick is tied for the most now.
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No there have been others. Lon Kruger for example. I believe Rick is tied for the most now.
Tubby Smith as well.
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Outside of the #1 seeds who do you think are the most likely F4 candidates? Is there a sleeper that won't be a top 4 seed?
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Outside of the #1 seeds who do you think are the most likely F4 candidates? Is there a sleeper that won't be a top 4 seed?
With Illinois coming on I've added them to my Baylor and Gonzaga grouping.
But I really think it'll be one of those 3.
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With Illinois coming on I've added them to my Baylor and Gonzaga grouping.
But I really think it'll be one of those 3.
Agreed, .I'm nust thinking of a surprise team. Maybe San Dieho St if they are on the 7 line?
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Outside of the #1 seeds who do you think are the most likely F4 candidates? Is there a sleeper that won't be a top 4 seed?
Bama is going to be a really tough out.
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Bama is going to be a really tough out.
I'll have to check them out tomorrow. As much as I dislike the B14 I have to admit I enjoy watching Illinois. Underwood is intense. They probably have the best 1/2 inside out combo.
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I'll have to check them out tomorrow. As much as I dislike the B14 I have to admit I enjoy watching Illinois. Underwood is intense. They probably have the best 1/2 inside out combo.
Illinois is tough too. Cockburn had a rough stretch but coming back around.
Bama is crazy balanced and d’s up with the best of them. They just lost a significant role player to injury but they’re really deep. They have five or six guys who can go off on a nightly basis. Herb Jones is a do it all Crowder type. Really fun team to watch.
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Tubby Smith as well.
Tubby should have had 6 but somehow didn’t get there with Memphis.
Pitino will make it 6 when he inevitably moves to another P6 team after another season or two and does what he does. Pitino is even more impressive cause 2 of the 5 (BU and Iona) are small one bid conferences that he had to win.
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Tubby Smith as well.
You are both right I just got a closer look at the screen
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Glad I grabbed GT at 25-1 odds to win the ACC tournament two weeks ago.
CHA CHING!
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CHA CHING!
Nice. It was very tainted and should have a huge asterisk but that is not your problem.
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Illinois is tough too. Cockburn had a rough stretch but coming back around.
Bama is crazy balanced and d%u2019s up with the best of them. They just lost a significant role player to injury but they%u2019re really deep. They have five or six guys who can go off on a nightly basis. Herb Jones is a do it all Crowder type. Really fun team to watch.
Cool. They sound like a dangerous team.
Abilene Christian would likely beat MU btw. I think at best we're in the 110-120 range. Smh.
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Did Shaka’s team win the Big 12 tournament?
Hmmm.
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Colorado currently shooting an NCAA record 83.1% from the line as a team. Wow.
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Bill Walton is nutjob, but the guy makes me laugh out loud every time I watch him. Tonight Colorado and Oregon State traded a couple of quick threes, and he comes up with:
"Up and down, Beavers - Buffaloes, stampeding and...building dams!"
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Colorado currently shooting an NCAA record 83.1% from the line as a team. Wow.
And 10-18 tonight and down by 3.
And OSU fouls up 3 with 2.2 left
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And 10-18 tonight and down by 3.
And OSU fouls up 3 with 2.2 left
Yeah - not a good time to have an off shooting game.
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With Illinois coming on I've added them to my Baylor and Gonzaga grouping.
But I really think it'll be one of those 3.
Baylor is down to 44th in adjusted defensive efficiency in KenPom. They might make a Final 4 but winning it all would be a remarkable outlier
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I never realized how tiny St Bonaventure was. I will say, I wonder if their gym is a barrier for A10 admission. It only seats about 2500. Davidson and St B both have arenas double that size. Duquesne and Fordham have the smallest gyms at 3500, but one is a founding member and the other is a historic gym and a school that gave stability and a NYC presence when Rutgers left the conference in 1995.
One of my good friends from high school went to St. Bonnie's. Needless to say he is a big college basketball fan.
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Not that I think he would be a good fit for Marquette, but I think Bryce Drew is a much better coach than his tenure at Vandy indicated.
Back in the Dance with Grand Canyon U.
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Not that I think he would be a good fit for Marquette, but I think Bryce Drew is a much better coach than his tenure at Vandy indicated.
Back in the Dance with Grand Canyon U.
If nothing else, we'd have good end-of-game-situation plays!
Seriously, why wouldn't he be "a good fit for Marquette"?
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If nothing else, we'd have good end-of-game-situation plays!
Seriously, why wouldn't he be "a good fit for Marquette"?
I just mean that I think he would need another step in between. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Congrats to Traci Carter for making the tourney
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Not that I think he would be a good fit for Marquette, but I think Bryce Drew is a much better coach than his tenure at Vandy indicated.
Back in the Dance with Grand Canyon U.
If you took Bryce Drew's recruiting, combined with Jerry Stackhouse player development/offensive sets, throw in an additional defensive assistant. That would be a staff right there.
Drew recruited Darius Garland, Aaron Nesmith, Saben Lee, Scotty Pippen, Dylan Disu, Simi S-h-i-t-t-u to Vandy. Stack did the bulk of player development with many of them.
Drew couldn't overcome the early, season ending injury, of Darius Garland in his 3rd season there. And Simi wasn't physically ready to play at a high level that year after his injury prior to Vandy. New AD came in that season and he didn't meet with Drew after the season. He made a change. (That AD was gone a year later)
Drew had success at Valpo, and now Grand Canyon.
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I just mean that I think he would need another step in between. Maybe I'm wrong.
Ah. Thanks for the explanation.
If you took Bryce Drew's recruiting, combined with Jerry Stackhouse played development/offensive sets, throw in an additional defensive assistant. That would be a staff right there.
Drew recruited Darius Garland, Aaron Nesmith, Saben Lee, Scotty Pippen, Dylan Disu, Simi craptu to Vandy.
Drew couldn't overcome the early, season ending injury, of Darius Garland in his 3rd season there. And Simi wasn't physically ready to play at a high level that year after his injury prior to Vandy. New AD came in that season and he didn't meet with Drew after the season. He made a change. (That AD was gone a year later)
Drew had success at Valpo, and now Grand Canyon.
If MU sucks next season and Wojo gets the heave-ho, Drew would be an interesting candidate for our job.
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The 13 and 14 seeds are going to be loaded this year. Even without an official bracket yet, there will be a number of 13-14 seeds winning outright.
It’ll be interesting to see what the lines look like for these particular games.
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Ah. Thanks for the explanation.
If MU sucks next season and Wojo gets the heave-ho, Drew would be an interesting candidate for our job.
Jamall Walker, Ed Schilling, and Casey Shaw are on his current staff. He had Roger Powell Jr. at Vandy as well.
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One of my good friends from high school went to St. Bonnie's. Needless to say he is a big college basketball fan.
Looked at it upon the recommendation of a member of my childhood church. Small and middle of nowhere. Cold as hell winters too. But they do love their hoops. I remember us beating them in the NIT my freshman year.
What Schmidt has done there is amazing. That program was devastated after the Welding Certificate scandal in 2003. I doubt he’d leave the East Coast, but if he did we should back up the Brinks truck for him. BC would be beyond foolish to not offer him.
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Ah. Thanks for the explanation.
If MU sucks next season and Wojo gets the heave-ho, Drew would be an interesting candidate for our job.
That would be a bit premature. The new age WAC is AWFUL. Props for winning the conference and making it to the tourney but they had 3 losses to teams in the 215-250 range in the NET in the last 3 weeks. 2 of them at home where they were double digit favorites. Yikes. Still needs to prove some consistency cause regardless of the myriad factors, that Vandy stretch was rough.
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I love watching Alabama play. Interview Oats at halftime and he says they have to run even more.
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I love watching Alabama play. Interview Oats at halftime and he says they have to run even more.
He’s absolutely awesome. Herb Jones reminds me of Crowder a ton. He makes that team go. Quinnerly is coming into his own too.
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I love watching Alabama play. Interview Oats at halftime and he says they have to run even more.
Just like he did at Buffalo with grat success.
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This is a fun game minus Vitale and ESPN's camera angles.
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ESPN's camera angles.
Whoa, yeah. Are they just using a floating camera (skycam)? it's bad.
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Simi craptu to Vandy.
This is one of my favorite Scoop Autocorrects. Came up a lot when we were recruiting shi-ttu
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This is one of my favorite Scoop Autocorrects. Came up a lot when we were recruiting shi-ttu
Yep. I changed it to Simi after seeing it. I could have also done S-h-i-t-t-u.
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Wow. Watford is an absolute stud for LSU.
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Wow. Watford is an absolute stud for LSU.
LSU has 3 guys that can really get buckets. Not a lot of defense though.
Fun game.
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LSU has 3 guys that can really get buckets. Not a lot of defense though.
Fun game.
No.... but that guy isn't a 1st raft pick in the mocks? I have a hard time believing that.
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Great ending
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Oats is really good and extremely likeable. Dangerous team for sure.
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Oats is really good and extremely likeable. Dangerous team for sure.
Amazing rise in coaching ranks. Was a HS coach in MI for 11 years before becoming an assistant at Buffalo in2013-2015. Then HC at Buffalo for several seasons before signing with AL last year.
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Amazing rise in coaching ranks. Was a HS coach in MI for 11 years before becoming an assistant at Buffalo in2013-2015. Then HC at Buffalo for several seasons before signing with AL last year.
I'm connected in the Caymans Nuke. If you cash out your portfolio could we get Oats to MU?
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As far as Marquette is concerned it has been 8 years in the New Big East which I was against and 8 years with no big dance wins. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Am not saying change conferences but changes are needed especially for a program with spending in the Top 7 and Attendance in the Top 10 and went to 8 Consecutive Big dances every year in the Old Big East with 9 NCAA Wins. 1f the Bottomline Winning is not there, changes should be made.
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As far as Marquette is concerned it has been 8 years in the New Big East which I was against and 8 years with no big dance wins. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Am not saying change conferences but changes are needed especially for a program with spending in the Top 7 and Attendance in the Top 10 and went to 8 Consecutive Big dances every year in the Old Big East with 9 NCAA Wins. 1f the Bottomline Winning is not there, changes should be made.
Just out of curiosity, where are you getting the Top 7 from?
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As far as Marquette is concerned it has been 8 years in the New Big East which I was against and 8 years with no big dance wins. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Am not saying change conferences but changes are needed especially for a program with spending in the Top 7 and Attendance in the Top 10 and went to 8 Consecutive Big dances every year in the Old Big East with 9 NCAA Wins. 1f the Bottomline Winning is not there, changes should be made.
What conference should a high spending school with no football be in then? Hilarious blaming this on the conference to justify your own lackluster opinion and not an inept HC
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What conference should a high spending school with no football be in then? Hilarious blaming this on the conference to justify your own lackluster opinion and not an inept HC
Agreed. The conference is the least of our problems. Our only real option would be to move down (A-10, Horizon, etc.), and that would turn us from a high-spending school to a mid-spending one.
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Agreed. The conference is the least of our problems. Our only real option would be to move down (A-10, Horizon, etc.), and that would turn us from a high-spending school to a mid-spending one.
Sounds like the dude wants to be Dayton, Loyola, and SLU.
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Great guard play in the Illinois/Ohio St game. It's nice to see thess guys scoring in the mid-range area. They also do a terrific job being patient and changing pace off the bounce. Our perimeter players should take notice.
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But like Michigan yesterday I don't understand that shot by Illinois.
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Guard play all weekend has been as good as I can remember
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But like Michigan yesterday I don't understand that shot by Illinois.
Thought he was Damian Lillard, apparently.
Great block on the put back.
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I will never understand why teams in a tie game hold the ball for the whole clock then launch from Curry range.
And the sad thing is, it happens in like 85% of these situations.
Run a play and uh, idk maybe draw contact?
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Right on cue. Beautiful mid-range J by the Illini guard. That's a shot our players almost never take minus the occasional floater from DJ..
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I will never understand why teams in a tie game hold the ball for the whole clock then launch from Curry range.
And the sad thing is, it happens in like 85% of these situations.
Run a play and uh, idk maybe draw contact?
Agreed completely, that made no sense. At worst, run your offense. That used to drive me nuts about Howard. Felt like it was a given if we were tied or down a couple that he was going to run it down and take way too long a shot.
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I will never understand why teams in a tie game hold the ball for the whole clock then launch from Curry range.
And the sad thing is, it happens in like 85% of these situations.
Run a play and uh, idk maybe draw contact?
That’s the game now. Walton made a comment about Colorado shooting (and missing) a 3 on a 3 on 1 break, saying “that considered a good shot today.” He wasn’t saying it in agreement
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I love the team Underwood has put together. Very capable of winning it all.
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Big Ten teams who are in the tournament have never left Indy right? That’s gotta be worth something right?
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Big Ten teams who are in the tournament have never left Indy right? That’s gotta be worth something right?
Correct.
Althought no teams have left anywhere. So all the other teams are just coming from current location to Indy. So not much difference.
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Creighton ain’t getting past UCSB.
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I wouldn't want any part of Winthrop if I was Nova.
Whisky gets a #9 seed.
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The Big East best bet to play the second weekend is going to be Georgetown.
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Madison vs UNC in the They Must Really Suck Cuz They Lost To Marquette Bowl.
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Brutal draw for Loyola-Chi. That sucks. Ga. Tech and if they win Illinois? Ouch.
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Syracuse does not deserve to be playing in anything but the first 4. Ridiculous.
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Midwest region is BRUTAL. Ok State a 4? Loyola 8? Ga Tech 9?
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Midwest region is BRUTAL. Ok State a 4? Loyola 8? Ga Tech 9?
It’s crazy. OSU isn’t a 4 seed on any planet. SEC way overrated.
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Syracuse does not deserve to be playing in anything but the first 4. Ridiculous.
Mid majors get stuck in the first four so fewer are able to get tourney units away from the power conferences. That or they get matched up against one another.
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Mich can't be happy seeing a potential LSU match-up.
Good draw for Gtown as a 12.
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Xavier turning down the NIT. This doesn’t surprise me. I think we will see more.
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Xavier turning down the NIT. This doesn’t surprise me. I think we will see more.
As did Seton Hall and St. John’s
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This might be the best season ever to fill out your brackets based on which team’s colors you like better, or which mascot seems more cool.
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Dilemma:
Roy vs Whisky?
I cannot stand Roy. Solution?
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Roy easily
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Xavier turning down the NIT. This doesn’t surprise me. I think we will see more.
Well then, color me surprised (and wrong).
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Dilemma:
Roy vs Whisky?
I cannot stand Roy. Solution?
Cheer for Roy to get beat down by Baylor.
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Well then, color me surprised (and wrong).
Yeah I just don’t see a reason. The players probably have no interest.
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Dilemma:
Roy vs Whisky?
I cannot stand Roy. Solution?
Badger fans hate Roy. Go Heels
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Badger fans hate Roy. Go Heels
I suppose all of you are correct.
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How is BYU a 6 seed?
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How is BYU a 6 seed?
I think they're underseeded, FWIW.
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I think they're underseeded, FWIW.
They have a few good wins. Kinda pissed with Loyola's draw.....Ga. Tech at a #9 seems off. Ohio over Virginia?
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As far as the draw...
Big East: I think Creighton can get to the Sweet 16. Not sure UCSB can shoot with them and Virginia's beatable. Not sure I'll pick them through, but they have the best Big East path. UConn could win one, but I think Alabama is a tough second round draw. 'Nova's draw is murder. Winthrop is tough and if they get to Purdue, I can't see them winning that. Georgetown will probably win their opener, but FSU is a tough draw in the second. So much length and talent.
Upsets: If there's a 4/13, I like Ohio over Virginia. No idea what UVA's COVID situation is and Jason Preston is a stud. Of the lower seeds, I'll be watching the two SEC teams. I don't think 14-Colgate over 3-Arkansas or 15-Iona over 2-Alabama happen, but those feel like the most likely if there's a big shock. For 12/5s, 'Nova losing and Georgetown winning look most likely. Interesting that 3/4 Big East teams are in 12/5 games.
Biggest Misses: I think Loyola-Chicago should've been seeded higher. Their record and metrics indicate they deserve better than an 8. Certainly not the top-4 seed their kenpom would indicate, but higher. Georgia Tech's zone will be a tough challenge, but if they get out of the first round, Illinois is kind of getting screwed getting a top-10 team in the metrics in the second round. On the bubble, Syracuse over Louisville I feel was a mistake. Basically, COVID killed Louisville. They got murdered by Wisconsin and UNC, both coming out of COVID pauses, and it killed their efficiency numbers.
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They have a few good wins. Kinda pussed with Loyola's draw.....Ga. Tech at a #9 seems off. Ohio over Virginia?
BYU has great metrics and half their losses are to #1 overall Gonzaga.
I think Loyola got screwed. Georgia Tech I had at 9 but I think LUC was underseeded. Should've at least been a 7, probably a 6. Reminds me (not as bad) of Wichita State being an 11 in 2016. And agree on Ohio over Virginia.
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Sparty got a great draw with UCLA/BYU
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BYU has great metrics and half their losses are to #1 overall Gonzaga.
I think Loyola got screwed. Georgia Tech I had at 9 but I think LUC was underseeded. Should've at least been a 7, probably a 6. Reminds me (not as bad) of Wichita State being an 11 in 2016. And agree on Ohio over Virginia.
Loyola got a far worse draw than either Syracuse or Mich St. That's absurd frankly.
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Coaching Changes Twitter says DePaul will be looking for a new coach tomorrow. An opportunity for them to pass us in the pecking order. Exciting week for the Blue Demons ahead.
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Coaching Changes Twitter says DePaul will be looking for a new coach tomorrow. An opportunity for them to pass us in the pecking order. Exciting week for the Blue Demons ahead.
I was in pre-school during the Duiket years. Are we in worse shape in your honest opinion? Smh.
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I was in pre-school during the Duiket years. Are we in worse shape in your honest opinion? Smh.
No. Currently, we are losing to high major teams and we are competitive with most of them. We even beat a couple of ranked teams. In the Dukiet years, we were often losing to mid major teams.
Things are worse than they have been at any time since then, but they are not that bad. We truly were a middle of the road mid major.
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No. Currently, we are losing to high major teams and we are competitive with most of them. We even beat a couple of ranked teams. In the Dukiet years, we were often losing to mid major teams.
Things are worse than they have been at any time since then, but they are not that bad. We truly were a middle of the road mid major.
I too was not around during Dukiet, but given our current resources compared to then, conference level and success of past two coaches, I’d imagine it’s relatively comparable.
Input would be appreciated as I said, wasn’t around during Dukiet years.
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Dukiet years were far worse.
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No. Currently, we are losing to high major teams and we are competitive with most of them. We even beat a couple of ranked teams. In the Dukiet years, we were often losing to mid major teams.
Things are worse than they have been at any time since then, but they are not that bad. We truly were a middle of the road mid major.
I'm sure you're right. Still ...year 9 potentially where we have been irrelevant? I couldn't have imagined this in a million years.. This is a dereliction of duty imo among the top brass at MU. Totally inexcusable.
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I'm sure you're right. Still ...year 9 potentially where we have been irrelevant? I couldn't have imagined this in a million years.. This is a dereliction of duty imo among the top brass at MU. Totally inexcusable.
The resources available are second to none . You are correct it is truly inexcusable and at any other similarly configured institution a change would already have been made.
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Dukiet years were far worse.
For goodness sakes yes. The end of the Deanne years were way worse. People have lost perspective.
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The resources available are second to none . You are correct it is truly inexcusable and at any other similarly configured institution a change would already have been made.
Yes, Herman. And I'm thinking about how fantastic this day should be as an MU player and fanbase. Especially in light of how difficult this year has been for everyone. There is nothing better in sports than the NCAA basketball tournament and watching these players celebrate when their team is announced. It's second to none and there is zero reason we have essentially been shut-out as a prime-time team for close to a decade. I think it's perfectly reasonable for all of us to vent no matter how many times we repeat our points of view. This must change. Time is short and so am. Plus I will shrink eventually as we all do.
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As far as the draw...
Big East: I think Creighton can get to the Sweet 16. Not sure UCSB can shoot with them and Virginia's beatable. Not sure I'll pick them through, but they have the best Big East path. UConn could win one, but I think Alabama is a tough second round draw. 'Nova's draw is murder. Winthrop is tough and if they get to Purdue, I can't see them winning that. Georgetown will probably win their opener, but FSU is a tough draw in the second. So much length and talent.
Upsets: If there's a 4/13, I like Ohio over Virginia. No idea what UVA's COVID situation is and Jason Preston is a stud. Of the lower seeds, I'll be watching the two SEC teams. I don't think 14-Colgate over 3-Arkansas or 15-Iona over 2-Alabama happen, but those feel like the most likely if there's a big shock. For 12/5s, 'Nova losing and Georgetown winning look most likely. Interesting that 3/4 Big East teams are in 12/5 games.
Biggest Misses: I think Loyola-Chicago should've been seeded higher. Their record and metrics indicate they deserve better than an 8. Certainly not the top-4 seed their kenpom would indicate, but higher. Georgia Tech's zone will be a tough challenge, but if they get out of the first round, Illinois is kind of getting screwed getting a top-10 team in the metrics in the second round. On the bubble, Syracuse over Louisville I feel was a mistake. Basically, COVID killed Louisville. They got murdered by Wisconsin and UNC, both coming out of COVID pauses, and it killed their efficiency numbers.
Committee is generally consistent with stuff like this though. Mid majors with metrics but nothing in the way of wins the seeding heavily tilts towards the wins rather than computer numbers.
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Sounds like the dude wants to be Dayton, Loyola, and SLU.
Dayton has 4 NCAA berths and 5 NCAA Wins in the last 8 Years. MU 0. Loyola has 2 NCAA Berths and 4 NCAA wins and a Final 4 in the last 8 years MU 0. SLU has 4 NCAA Bids maybe 5 and 3 NCAA Wins in the last 10 Years, and more NCAA wins then MU in the last 8 Years. But that is not what I am saying at all. MU was awesome in the Old Big East. The New Conference and Wojo it is on both of them on their watches. Yes Wojo is at fault I did not say he was not. I just want to Win and We have 0 NCAA wins our New Conference.
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Dayton has 4 NCAA berths and 5 NCAA Wins in the last 8 Years. MU 0. Loyola has 2 NCAA Berths and 4 NCAA wins and a Final 4 in the last 8 years MU 0. SLU has 4 NCAA Bids maybe 5 and 3 NCAA Wins in the last 10 Years, and more NCAA wins then MU in the last 8 Years. But that is not what I am saying at all. MU was awesome in the Old Big East. The New Conference and Wojo it is on both of them on their watches. Yes Wojo is at fault I did not say he was not. I just want to Win and We have 0 NCAA wins our New Conference.
It's completely bizarre that you think the new conference is the problem. It's not. At all.
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Illinois will crush Loyola if the Ramblers can survive Georgia Tech (big if).
I haven't filled out my bracket yet, but I know I'm going with Illinois to win it all.
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It's completely bizarre that you think the new conference is the problem. It's not. At all.
I am privy to stuff but I do not think that at all. I did not ever say that. It is On 1. MU 2. Wojo 3. The Conference Change.
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Illinois will crush Loyola if the Ramblers can survive Georgia Tech (big if).
I haven't filled out my bracket yet, but I know I'm going with Illinois to win it all.
The Illini are indeed impressive. Need to go thru the bracket tomorrow, but they are right up there in my mind,
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I am privy to stuff but I do not think that at all. I did not ever say that. It is On 1. MU 2. Wojo 3. The Conference Change.
I think the first two are interchangeable, but considering our options, the conference change was a home run. Our abysmal record in the conference is on the coach. We were much better in the much better conference.
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I think the first two are interchangeable, but considering our options, the conference change was a home run. Our abysmal record in the conference is on the coach. We were much better in the much better conference.
Agree but MU hired the coach who was one of our not many Choices since Buzz, Shaka and others viewed our place in the conference as not as high as it was in the Old Big East. Obviously a coach makes a difference and MU probably knows that. But who can MU get to coach us do you have any ideas
Agree The Conference change was a home run for Villanova but not for MU with no NCAA wins. Am guessing MU knows a coach is important but could not get anyone better we used Rivers help to get Wojo, although I would of hired someone else but there were not many choices. Who should MU hire today
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Agree but MU hired the coach who was one of our not many Choices since Buzz, Shaka and others viewed our place in the conference as not as high as it was in the Old Big East. Obviously a coach makes a difference and MU probably knows that. But who can MU get to coach us do you have any ideas
I think the real issue was that during the last hiring process the upper levels of the university (AD and President) were in flux.
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Times are out
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-03-14/2021-ncaa-tournament-tip-times-and-announcer-teams-announced-march-madness?amp&__twitter_impression=true
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Illinois will crush Loyola if the Ramblers can survive Georgia Tech (big if).
I haven't filled out my bracket yet, but I know I'm going with Illinois to win it all.
Agreed. Illinois is the real deal. If Loyola beats G. Tech that rd of 32 game could be ugly. I would say they and the Zags are the favorites. I think the COVID break hurt Baylor. I'm guessing we see a lot of chalk with the 1 and 2 seeds.
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Times are out
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2021-03-14/2021-ncaa-tournament-tip-times-and-announcer-teams-announced-march-madness?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Thx. I don't understand why they wouldn't start Thurs.
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Thx. I don't understand why they wouldn't start Thurs.
Covid testing and the First Four is all moved to Thursday.
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I too was not around during Dukiet, but given our current resources compared to then, conference level and success of past two coaches, I’d imagine it’s relatively comparable.
Input would be appreciated as I said, wasn’t around during Dukiet years.
The question related to how we compare as a program now vs the Dukiet era. The answer I gave - that it was MUCH WORSE back then - is correct. And that’s in part because we have dramatically greater resources today. The floor simply is much higher.
That does not mean we shouldn’t aspire to do better; we should. But to compare the program today to the program back then is truly comparing apples and oranges.
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Illinois will crush Loyola if the Ramblers can survive Georgia Tech (big if).
I haven't filled out my bracket yet, but I know I'm going with Illinois to win it all.
I don't know. It's a lot harder to speed a team up than slow them down, especially when you don't excel at turning your opponents over. I think there are some games where Illinois would really excel, but a team that will drag them into the muck can play with them.
Illinois was 6-3 in games played at 70 or fewer possessions. Still a winning record, but slowing them down accounted for half their losses. They had two more games that were 70 possessions in regulation against Indiana and Nebraska and won in overtime.
FWIW, Loyola has played over 70 possessions just twice all year and lost both. But that means successfully keeping teams at their pace 92.3% of the time and winning 91.7% of those games. I fully realize Illinois is a different talent level, but I could easily see that being a 65-possession game that is decided in the final minute either way.
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Thx. I don't understand why they wouldn't start Thurs.
Either way it’s a four day weekend for me.
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Either way it’s a four day weekend for me.
Right!? And while I normally don't even think about the first 4, MSU/UCLA might draw some attention from me.
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Thx. I don't understand why they wouldn't start Thurs.
Yeah, maybe something to do with quarantine. The MSU/UCLA game should be a good one to watch Thursday at least.
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I don't know. It's a lot harder to speed a team up than slow them down, especially when you don't excel at turning your opponents over. I think there are some games where Illinois would really excel, but a team that will drag them into the muck can play with them.
Illinois was 6-3 in games played at 70 or fewer possessions. Still a winning record, but slowing them down accounted for half their losses. They had two more games that were 70 possessions in regulation against Indiana and Nebraska and won in overtime.
FWIW, Loyola has played over 70 possessions just twice all year and lost both. But that means successfully keeping teams at their pace 92.3% of the time and winning 91.7% of those games. I fully realize Illinois is a different talent level, but I could easily see that being a 65-possession game that is decided in the final minute either way.
Interesting data, brew. Thanks.
Loyola has to beat GaTech first. That will be difficult enough for them. Then we'll see!
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It's never a good thing for our heroes when a loss to Marquette is used as a cudgel against a team.
Here is the lead in the big NC newspapers about the upcoming UNC-Madison matchup:
North Carolina’s loss to Marquette raised the legitimate question of whether it deserved a spot in the NCAA tournament. After the Tar Heels’ play in the ACC tournament, though, it’s not out of the question to believe they can make a run.
It's probably the 20th time I've seen UNC's loss to us referred to in horrific terms -- and it's hard to blame any of them.
Later in the article, it talks about Wisconsin's good wins and bad losses. Its 2 bad losses? Penn State and Marquette.
Ugh.
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Agree but MU hired the coach who was one of our not many Choices since Buzz, Shaka and others viewed our place in the conference as not as high as it was in the Old Big East. Obviously a coach makes a difference and MU probably knows that. But who can MU get to coach us do you have any ideas
Agree The Conference change was a home run for Villanova but not for MU with no NCAA wins. Am guessing MU knows a coach is important but could not get anyone better we used Rivers help to get Wojo, although I would of hired someone else but there were not many choices. Who should MU hire today
The bolded is all correlation and not causation.
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Two things off recent posts.
Dukiet era was a fair amount worse. Went to a game in early December of '89 (early KO 1st year) and the students I was sitting around thought I was weird to actually have an interest in who won the game.
With DePaul seemingly making a change, would any team in the league trade coaches with MU right now? Maybe not.
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Interesting data, brew. Thanks.
Loyola has to beat GaTech first. That will be difficult enough for them. Then we'll see!
Agreed on all counts. I actually think Georgia Tech might be the tougher matchup for LUC, but they will be hard pressed in both. That said, I wouldn't rule out their potential advancement to the S16 the way I usually do with 8/9 participants and that's largely matchup based. Illinois is a team I could see winning it all or going out the first weekend. They have a really tough half of their bracket.
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Agreed on all counts. I actually think Georgia Tech might be the tougher matchup for LUC, but they will be hard pressed in both. That said, I wouldn't rule out their potential advancement to the S16 the way I usually do with 8/9 participants and that's largely matchup based. Illinois is a team I could see winning it all or going out the first weekend. They have a really tough half of their bracket.
Certainly bigger upsets have happened. But I just dont see Loyola winning against Illinois. Hell, if it stays close I'd be mildly surprised.
They are great defensively but they haven't faced this before. To lead guards that are magical with the ball. A senior 2G that is about as all around solid as it gets. Then two mammoth guys down low.
Krutwig could be on the bench early and often with sophmore year Theo foul trouble
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What conference should a high spending school with no football be in then? Hilarious blaming this on the conference to justify your own lackluster opinion and not an inept HC
Am not talking about anything you are saying. 1. I said and meant We should not change or switch conferences. 2. Am not blaming it on the conference, am saying the only other option would have been to accept and not decline ESPN’s crappy deal to remain with CUSE , UConn, Cincy eight to ten years ago in a hybrid conference. Add some crappy football teams. Agree It would have been a crappier conference but “We would of had more power within it” Agree with You that ship has sailed and agree we should remain in the New Big East. 3. Agree the change I was referring to was in Agreement with You we should change our inept coach.
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Agreed. The conference is the least of our problems. Our only real option would be to move down (A-10, Horizon, etc.), and that would turn us from a high-spending school to a mid-spending one.
Agree with You too and said we should not change conferences.
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Certainly bigger upsets have happened. But I just dont see Loyola winning against Illinois. Hell, if it stays close I'd be mildly surprised.
They are great defensively but they haven't faced this before. To lead guards that are magical with the ball. A senior 2G that is about as all around solid as it gets. Then two mammoth guys down low.
Krutwig could be on the bench early and often with sophmore year Theo foul trouble
Agree with this.
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Why I would wait to fill out a bracket...
Jalen Wilson not traveling to Indy with KU.
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Why I would wait to fill out a bracket...
Jalen Wilson not traveling to Indy with KU.
Yeah, silly to fill out a bracket before Wed with all the covid/replacement options possible coming on Tue...
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Why I would wait to fill out a bracket...
Jalen Wilson not traveling to Indy with KU.
Haven't finalized anything, but makes me feel better about my EWU pick.
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I haven’t done my bracket yet, but I know one first-round pick for sure: Nova over Winthrop.
Something like 80% of bracket-pickers are going with Winthrop even though 99.9% of that 80% couldn’t name one player on that team.
Nova’s gonna win.
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I haven’t done my bracket yet, but I know one first-round pick for sure: Nova over Winthrop.
Something like 80% of bracket-pickers are going with Winthrop even though 99.9% of that 80% couldn’t name one player on that team.
Nova’s gonna win.
I looked at Winthrop's resumé and it's underwhelming. 19 Q4 wins, 0 Q1. Paper tigers.
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I haven’t done my bracket yet, but I know one first-round pick for sure: Nova over Winthrop.
Something like 80% of bracket-pickers are going with Winthrop even though 99.9% of that 80% couldn’t name one player on that team.
Nova’s gonna win.
Everyone was picking Murray State over Marquette, too.
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Everyone was picking Murray State over Marquette, too.
Jay Wright can coach his way out of a paper bag.
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Everyone was picking Murray State over Marquette, too.
To be fair, everyone could name Ja Morant.
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Everyone was picking Murray State over Marquette, too.
I think Murray State/Marquette was about 50/50. Maybe 55/45. Nowhere near 80%.
Nova still has the best 3 players in that game. There's no Ja Morant on the other side. Marquette finished 34th in Kenpom that year, while Murray State finished 51st. Villanova is 12th (obviously not factoring in the CG injury) and Winthrop is 91. I don't think Nova is capable of a deep run, but I do think Nova wins and covers relatively easily in R1.
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I think Murray State/Marquette was about 50/50. Maybe 55/45. Nowhere near 80%.
Nova still has the best 3 players in that game. There's no Ja Morant on the other side. Marquette finished 34th in Kenpom that year, while Murray State finished 51st. Villanova is 12th (obviously not factoring in the CG injury) and Winthrop is 91. I don't think Nova is capable of a deep run, but I do think Nova wins and covers relatively easily in R1.
Yep, Winthrop is a well coached, fun team to watch...but the Big South is horrible. The second best team in the conference would likely get thumped by DePaul 9 out of 10 games. And with COVID, they will have faced nobody even remotely in the same realm as even a wounded Nova.
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Nova wins. I hope about 100 million brackets get ruined beyond repair.
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What about the other 5/12's?
Gtown over Colorado?
UCSB or Creighton?
I would think Tenn takes care of Oregon St.
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What about the other 5/12's?
Gtown over Colorado?
UCSB or Creighton?
I would think Tenn takes care of Oregon St.
Colorado is sneaky very good. GTown is on a roll, but I think they run out of gas and struggle to stop McKinley Wright.
UCSB is the one to watch for me. Very efficient offensively, top 15 in the country in terms of keeping TOs low. Defensively, they are pretty good. They don’t defend the 3 all that well, but if Creighton has cold stretches like they are prone to, Gauchos have a nice shot.
I think Tenn handles OSU but double digits easily
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Colorado is sneaky very good. GTown is on a roll, but I think they run out of gas and struggle to stop McKinley Wright.
UCSB is the one to watch for me. Very efficient offensively, top 15 in the country in terms of keeping TOs low. Defensively, they are pretty good. They don%u2019t defend the 3 all that well, but if Creighton has cold stretches like they are prone to, Gauchos have a nice shot.
I think Tenn handles OSU but double digits easily
Ya...I think UCSB is probably the most likely upset. I hate to say it but I would be very surprised if a BEast team makes the S16. I hope I'm wrong but I don't like the potential rd of 32 match-ups with the possible exception of Creighton if they get there.
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What about the other 5/12's?
Gtown over Colorado?
UCSB or Creighton?
I would think Tenn takes care of Oregon St.
I think I'd take UCSB against any of the other 5s, but that's the one I feel too many people are on. The Nova one makes more sense because they lost their most important player. We saw how that hurt them against mediocre competition like Providence and Georgetown.
I do like Georgetown and Tennessee to win their games.
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I know folks love to pick 12/5 upsets, and I know 12s were 3-1 against 5s in 2019 (and the one 12 that lost, New Mexico State, fell by only 1 to eventual FF team Auburn) ... but 12s went 3-13 the previous four tournaments, including 0-fers in 2015 and 2018.
12s have always been a good "value play," but the way some alleged gurus talk about it, you'd think 12s have owned 5s year after year after year.
I'm thinking this is an 0-fer year for 12s.
Interesting side note: 3 of the 4 BEast teams that are in the tourney are involved in 12/5 games this year -- Nova and Creighton as 5s, GTown as a 12. (UConn is a 7.)
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Jeff Jackson is the new Commissioner of the Missouri Valley Conference. (Doug Elgin retired after 33 years)
Jackson is hoops heavy, Cornell alum, former assistant at Vandy (Stallings) and Stanford,(Montgomery) and other places, and former Head Coach at Furman, New Hampshire. He was Deputy Commissioner at the Big South Conference and ran hoops in the Big 12 as Associate Commissioner.
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I don't think any 12s win this year. UCSB is the best one and I'm not sure the Creighton matchup is good for them. But they do have some talent.
I can't see Oregon State beating Tennessee. Georgetown is on a run but Colorado is legitimately good. Top 30 in offense and defense.
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Is there a #14 seed that has any shot?
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Is there a #14 seed that has any shot?
EWU might be interesting cause Kansas will be without some players, might through them off.
Morehead St is pretty good, gave Belmont 2 of their 4 losses...but they got SMACKED by every decent OOC team they played. Lost by 30+ to OSU and UK, almost 20 to Richmond, and 15 to Clemson which is like 20-25 against most other teams cause of how slow Clemson plays. So probably not them
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EWU might be interesting cause Kansas will be without some players, might through them off.
Morehead St is pretty good, gave Belmont 2 of their 4 losses...but they got SMACKED by every decent OOC team they played. Lost by 30+ to OSU and UK, almost 20 to Richmond, and 15 to Clemson which is like 20-25 against most other teams cause of how slow Clemson plays. So probably not them
Morehead St. is the one I'm thinking about but I just don't think I can pull the trigger.
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Expect #NotNCAAProperty to be a big part of the tournament.
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Expect #NotNCAAProperty to be a big part of the tournament.
Which is nice, but ultimately useless. Unless players protest by sitting out a game or something similar, change won't be made.
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Which is nice, but ultimately useless. Unless players protest by sitting out a game or something similar, change won't be made.
Yup. Players have all the power. Until they learn how to use it, slogans are just slogans.
That said, you know commissioners, presidents and the power brokers are very nervous about the future
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Which is nice, but ultimately useless. Unless players protest by sitting out a game or something similar, change won't be made.
You ready for the newest culture war?
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You ready for the newest culture war?
I like the tournament too much to wish for a player boycott. But if they did, I would certainly understand the motivation.
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This will apparently be the most betted event in sports history.
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I like the tournament too much to wish for a player boycott. But if they did, I would certainly understand the motivation.
We're not playing, so I'd say there is no time like the present.
Let the opening tip happen, and then the kids just dribble the shot clock down back and forth.
That'd be quite the spectacle. An hour and a half of protest, nationally televised.
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We're not playing, so I'd say there is no time like the present.
Let the opening tip happen, and then the kids just dribble the shot clock down back and forth.
That'd be quite the spectacle. An hour and a half of protest, nationally televised.
I wonder how Kevin Harlan would handle that scenario as an announcer?
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Expect #NotNCAAProperty to be a big part of the tournament.
I read an article complaining about the food that we being served. But isn't that up to the school? The school pays the bills and then get money back from the NCAA?
It honestly sounds like the service economy there has nearly crumbled under the sudden influx of visitors that they weren't ready for due to covid. But I understand not wanting to get "hot" takeout that is cold.
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I read an article complaining about the food that we being served. But isn't that up to the school? The school pays the bills and then get money back from the NCAA?
It honestly sounds like the service economy there has nearly crumbled under the sudden influx of visitors that they weren't ready for due to covid. But I understand not wanting to get "hot" takeout that is cold.
I’m pretty sure the NBA bubble had bad food to start, but that was just the two day quarantine meals.
I’m not a fish guy, but the picture from the coach (Most likely Oats) didn’t seem all that bad.
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We're not playing, so I'd say there is no time like the present.
Let the opening tip happen, and then the kids just dribble the shot clock down back and forth.
That'd be quite the spectacle. An hour and a half of protest, nationally televised.
I’d pay money to watch Emmert’s reaction
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I heard someone say, $50,000 by the NCAA in getting all the kids in the tournament an XBox or IPhone would be a very nice gift for the players. Locked in their rooms or practicing can sure get old.
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I think the biggest issue that I have is that they are still playing this thing over three weekends when they conceivably could have played them over two. Some of the student athletes are going to go nearly a week in between games for television sake.
They could have played S16 games on Tuesday and Wednesday. E8 games on Thursday and Friday. Semifinals on Saturday (the winner of the two regional finals played on Friday would be matched and play the late game for equal rest.) Final on Monday.
The NBA shortened their playoffs so games were every other day. NCAA should have done the same.
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I think the biggest issue that I have is that they are still playing this thing over three weekends when they conceivably could have played them over two. Some of the student athletes are going to go nearly a week in between games for television sake.
They could have played S16 games on Tuesday and Wednesday. E8 games on Thursday and Friday. Semifinals on Saturday (the winner of the two regional finals played on Friday would be matched and play the late game for equal rest.) Final on Monday.
The NBA shortened their playoffs so games were every other day. NCAA should have done the same.
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The NCAA doesn’t care about the student athletes. They do care about TV money.
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Nm.
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The NCAA doesn’t care about the student athletes. They do care about TV money.
Oh I know the reason. I just think a sprint to the finish would have been better this year.
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I think the biggest issue that I have is that they are still playing this thing over three weekends when they conceivably could have played them over two. Some of the student athletes are going to go nearly a week in between games for television sake.
They could have played S16 games on Tuesday and Wednesday. E8 games on Thursday and Friday. Semifinals on Saturday (the winner of the two regional finals played on Friday would be matched and play the late game for equal rest.) Final on Monday.
The NBA shortened their playoffs so games were every other day. NCAA should have done the same.
I mean you are not wrong.
But the simple fact is, the NCAA missed out on the tournament completely last year. They are going for the best possible TV money this year, and thats mostly keeping the same format.
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I mean you are not wrong.
But the simple fact is, the NCAA missed out on the tournament completely last year. They are going for the best possible TV money this year, and thats mostly keeping the same format.
The TV money is set by contract right? i.e. - NCAA amount is fixed. CBS/Turner likely had a big part of the scheduling to help their bottom line.
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And you KNOW a great deal of the coverage is going to be shots of the student athletes yucking it up in a "isn't life great in the bubble?" kind of way.
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Ben Steele has a nice article on Traci Carter today: https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2021/03/18/traci-carter-played-marquette-la-salle-and-hartford/4745384001/
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The 13 and 14 seeds are going to be loaded this year. Even without an official bracket yet, there will be a number of 13-14 seeds winning outright.
It’ll be interesting to see what the lines look like for these particular games.
For those that didn’t see these upsets coming, I mentioned this even before the bracket was released.
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For those that didn’t see these upsets coming, I mentioned this even before the bracket was released.
i just couldn't get myself to pencil in abilene texas christain
had illinoius as one of my top 4 in one and in the championship game vs gonzaga in another
went heavy big 10-oh what a fool am i
oral roberts??
i'm bleeding man