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Is this Wojo's best TEAM?
« on: November 26, 2020, 04:26:23 AM »
It was APB - we're not going to look that good every night. But even before getting to see the product on the court I really liked it on paper.

There have definitely been better players on Wojo's watch, but is this the best overall TEAM? There are just so many pieces that I love.

Theo - a MAN's body. Senior leadership. A beast in the paint. Maybe learning how to play within himself? Who knew being able to use two hands would matter.

DJ - a true PG. 'nough said.

Dawson - a super-stretch 4. A Steve Novak that can get to the rim and defend.

Jose - Another man's body in a wing.

Quality senior leadership and offensive spark in Koby and Jamal - on any given night either could pop for 20.

Quality depth at almost all positions - Greg, Symir, Oso, Justin
 
I just can't think of any piece that is missing from this team. I think it's the best top to bottom team we've seen in Wojo's tenure.

It will be a major shame if we don't see how far this team and develop/go. It will also be a major indictment if Wojo can't make this team more than the sum of its parts. This is the year to do it.

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Re: Is this Wojo's best TEAM?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2020, 04:58:51 AM »
I'm reserving judgment until at least after Tuesday.
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Re: Is this Wojo's best TEAM?
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2020, 05:13:25 AM »
It was APB - we're not going to look that good every night. But even before getting to see the product on the court I really liked it on paper.

There have definitely been better players on Wojo's watch, but is this the best overall TEAM? There are just so many pieces that I love.

Theo - a MAN's body. Senior leadership. A beast in the paint. Maybe learning how to play within himself? Who knew being able to use two hands would matter.

DJ - a true PG. 'nough said.

Dawson - a super-stretch 4. A Steve Novak that can get to the rim and defend.

Jose - Another man's body in a wing.

Quality senior leadership and offensive spark in Koby and Jamal - on any given night either could pop for 20.

Quality depth at almost all positions - Greg, Symir, Oso, Justin
 
I just can't think of any piece that is missing from this team. I think it's the best top to bottom team we've seen in Wojo's tenure.

It will be a major shame if we don't see how far this team and develop/go. It will also be a major indictment if Wojo can't make this team more than the sum of its parts. This is the year to do it.
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Re: Is this Wojo's best TEAM?
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2020, 06:14:44 AM »
Agree, that this is Wojo's most talented team loaded across the board with players who can compete. Foul trouble will not be an issue this year. The depth should allow for a super aggressive defense. Also hope this team fast breaks a lot.

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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2020, 06:45:41 AM »
Back up post against a good team.   It was Arkansas Pine-Bluff.   Beware the 'Magic Dawson' talk.
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Re: Is this Wojo's best TEAM?
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2020, 08:01:29 AM »
It’s the first team he’s truly in charge of.

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‘16 was Henry
‘17-‘20 Markus

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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2020, 08:25:05 AM »
You've got some good points, but lets see how they do against teams in the top 350. Dealing with six newbies and there will be some bumps.  The question is, if they do outperform expectations how much of the credit goes to Wojo? And, conversely, if they tank, how much is on him?

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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2020, 08:25:17 AM »
It’s the first team he’s truly in charge of.

‘15 was Buzz’s guys
‘16 was Henry
‘17-‘20 Markus

This is now Wojo time.  Everything he’s learned he can now implement. Everything he’s wanted to adjust he can.  He’s free.

So a grown man who has been coach for 7 years can finally lead his team?  Then MU should have let him learn his trade somewhere else.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2020, 08:35:35 AM »
As I was watching the game last night, I was thinking the same thing.  This might be Wojo's best and complete team.  In year's prior, he had to build the offense around one guy (Henry, Markus).  He now has multiple options on offense.

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Re: Is this Wojo's best TEAM?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2020, 08:37:31 AM »
We'll see.

We'll know a ton more in a month. Right now, we only know that we are twice as good as APB and have a lot of potential.

If we're able to actually play all (or at least most) of our games, ask again at about 9 p.m. on Dec. 23.

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Re: Is this Wojo's best TEAM?
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2020, 08:45:46 AM »
I loved the passing but seriously, it was Arkansas Pine-Bluff. Let's see how we do against a team not ranked #353 by KenPom.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2020, 09:08:32 AM »
I loved the passing but seriously, it was Arkansas Pine-Bluff. Let's see how we do against a team not ranked #353 by KenPom.
A whole lot of 'Magic Dawson vs Grambling' vibe.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2020, 09:09:50 AM »
A whole lot of 'Magic Dawson vs Grambling' vibe.

Yep. Love the optimism but...
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Re: Is this Wojo's best TEAM?
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2020, 09:12:06 AM »
Naw. Could not even put up 100 pts yesterday. Very overrated.

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Re: Is this Wojo's best TEAM?
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2020, 09:22:31 AM »
We had a pretty good "team" in 2016-17.

Ellenson was gone and Markus was not yet MARKUS!

Five guys averaged between 10.8 and 13.2 ppg, and seven guys averaged at least 8.7. Those same seven guys averaged between 6.3 and 9.3 FGA.

We didn't play very good D, we were too young in a few spots, and we got an unfortunate NCAA assignment -- a very good (eventual FF) SCaro team in Greenville -- but the guys got along and played well together. And Wojo, in Year 3, seemed to have the program on a very good trajectory.

This season's team has the potential to be quite a bit better in all facets.

We'll see.
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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2020, 09:35:20 AM »
I will say it looks like a Big East team.  Big guards, length and athleticism in the frontcourt, only 3 skinny players, and only one slow player (Perez).

The only thing missing is a true knockdown shooter.  But very good passing and hopefully enough outside shooting to get it done.

Now, can they do it against better competition?

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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2020, 09:38:37 AM »
I will say it looks like a Big East team.  Big guards, length and athleticism in the frontcourt, only 3 skinny players, and only one slow player (Perez).

The only thing missing is a true knockdown shooter.  But very good passing and hopefully enough outside shooting to get it done.

Now, can they do it against better competition?

I’d like to see how they do against a man to man defense too. Not yet sold on their quickness.
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2020, 09:39:10 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2020, 09:43:05 AM »
Talent wise probably not, but I think this team will have the best chemistry of any Wojo team. Lots of unselfish players and great depth so I expect them to get better as the season progresses which hasn’t happened under Wojo the last few years.

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« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2020, 10:15:13 AM »
I’d like to see how they do against a man to man defense too. Not yet sold on their quickness.

Carton has elite speed.  Torrence has good speed.

McEwen has average speed in the Joe Chapman mold.

Elliott needs to get healthy to see if he regains his quickness.

John and Lewis have good enough speed for their size.  Garcia's skill level is high enough that he doesn't need elite quickness.

Cain is quick enough as long as he isn't dribbling.

Perez is the only one that looks overmatched athletically.  But he's strong and smart.

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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2020, 10:24:21 AM »
We just gonna ignore the fact that the OP compared Dawson, who is a very polished Freshman, to one of the greatest pure shooters in program history?  I think Dawson will be a very good player, but he aint no Novak shooting-wise.

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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2020, 10:26:16 AM »
I get the optimism because it was such a decisive opener. The only better opening performance we've seen from a Wojo team was 2016-17 when we drilled Vanderbilt at the Naval Academy. But while we held them to 0.75 ppp, this is a team that had an adjusted offensive efficiency of 79.0 last year, which was the worst out of any team of the past 5 years (more than 1,700 teams). Eastern Illinois and Oklahoma State will be far better barometers of how good we are. Plenty of mediocre Marquette teams have drilled inferior competition. Alabama A&M in 2014-15, Grambling in 2015-16, American in 2017-18 were all resounding wins over teams that were simply overmatched, but it didn't get Marquette a NCAA bid.
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2020, 10:28:22 AM »
Cautiously optimistic.  Let’s see how they play against Eastern Illinois who lost by ten to the badgers.  Blow the doors off them like apb and I start to get more optimistic for that badger game.

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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2020, 10:34:01 AM »
Carton has elite speed.  Torrence has good speed.

McEwen has average speed in the Joe Chapman mold.

Elliott needs to get healthy to see if he regains his quickness.

John and Lewis have good enough speed for their size.  Garcia's skill level is high enough that he doesn't need elite quickness.

Cain is quick enough as long as he isn't dribbling.

Perez is the only one that looks overmatched athletically.  But he's strong and smart.

Yeah said I wasn’t sold on their speed.

You telling me they’re speedy isn’t going to do it for me either.
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« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2020, 10:53:19 AM »
I think this is probably the most well rounded team and probably the most depth.

But considering a lot of it is inexperience(at MU and overall) that definitely does not mean its the best, yet.


I am with everyone else and saying yesterdays game was against a team so bad you cant judge yet.

Win solidly tomorrow, beat Okstate and at least hang with Bucky. That'll say a lot.
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