Op Ed by Incoming MU Student

[Herman Cain]

Very well written analysis by incoming MU Student.

https://www.westernjournal.com/op-ed-almost-got-kicked-marquettes-incoming-class-support-trump-story/?ff_source=twitter&ff_medium=thenewvoice

[tower912]

This again?   She made a video.   Her right.  Others judged her for it.  Their right.   Now she is just trying to extend her 15 minutes in the spotlight.   Again, her right.   Others will again judge her.   Their right.   She will go full snowflake.   Her chico-esque right.

None of her rights have been violated.   Tired.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Poor thing got all the way to the 2nd second sentence before crying victim.

[Pakuni]

Who the heck is advising this poor kid?
Four or five years from now, this kid is going to go looking for a job, and when potential employers Google her name, this is what they're going to find. Unless that potential employer is OAN, she's screwed.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Geez, that site asked me 7 times if I wanted to subscribe or make their page my homepage.

I'm always amused when a person cries about their free speech being stifled in one breath and then demands that another person's free speech by stifled in the next. Death threats and bullying are never acceptable, and Marquette PD investigated those that crossed the line. But calling someone a bigot for something that they post online is as much free speech as anything that this young woman put out there. If you can't handle your political views being criticized, don't post them online.

[wadesworld]

She sounds like a meat summiter.

[GB Warrior]

Who the heck is advising this poor kid?
Four or five years from now, this kid is going to go looking for a job, and when potential employers Google her name, this is what they're going to find. Unless that potential employer is OAN, she's screwed.

Jacob Wohl

[withoutbias]

Wow. What a martyr. Thank you for your service.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Poor thing got all the way to the 2nd second before crying victim.

"Actually, for conservatives, that’s exactly what we face every day thanks to cancel culture. "

Oh dear lord...  A lot of growing up to do.  Hopefully she will use her Marquette experience to its fullest.

[#UnleashSean]

This must be a headache for the MU administration. Though one they brought on themselves by not putting a stop to the antics of all 3 of them at the start.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

This must be a headache for the MU administration. Though one they brought on themselves by not putting a stop to the antics of all 3 of them at the start.

I'm not exactly sure what Marquette could have done differently.  They don't actively monitor every student's social media account continuously.

She took a relatively routine couseling process and turned herself into a victim.  And of course people lapped it up because nuance is lost on so many.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Who the heck is advising this poor kid?
Four or five years from now, this kid is going to go looking for a job, and when potential employers Google her name, this is what they're going to find. Unless that potential employer is OAN, she's screwed.

Nah, she has already figured out that there is an entire sub-industry on the right dedicated to supporting those who cry about how victimized they are.

[#UnleashSean]

I'm not exactly sure what Marquette could have done differently.  They don't actively monitor every student's social media account continuously.

She took a relatively routine couseling process and turned herself into a victim.  And of course people lapped it up because nuance is lost on so many.

Marquette could have done:

• talked with student A about appropriate use of social media
• Told student B that reporting a student based on political views is not appropriate
• Told student C that harassment and inciting others to harass is not appropriate
• Given probation to b and c for harassment
• Given student A probation for her inappropriateness during the past month

[#UnleashSean]

Who the heck is advising this poor kid?
Four or five years from now, this kid is going to go looking for a job, and when potential employers Google her name, this is what they're going to find. Unless that potential employer is OAN, she's screwed.

OH trust me, she has already swung this into multiple internships and now has much more academic support then before.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Marquette could have done:

• talked with student A about appropriate use of social media
• Told student B that reporting a student based on political views is not appropriate
• Told student C that harassment and inciting others to harass is not appropriate
• Given probation to b and c for harassment
• Given student A probation for her inappropriateness during the past month

Marquette spoke to all of the students in question.  No one should have received probation.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Marquette could have done:

• talked with student A about appropriate use of social media

They did that.

Marquette could have done:

• Told student B that reporting a student based on political views is not appropriate

I'm sure they talked to student B but not about this. Despite student A trying to make this about the Trump video, every article about this situation has mentioned that she was accused of making racist, transphobic, and homophobic comments on her social media. We don't know what exactly she said because she has since deleted the comments and none of the articles actually have a direct quote of what she said. Reporting a student for allegedly posting hate speech on social media is appropriate and is not reporting someone based on political views.

Marquette could have done:

• Told student C that harassment and inciting others to harass is not appropriate

We don't know specifically what student C said (if it has been posted somewhere I missed it). If it crossed the line into threats or bullying I'm sure there was a conversation. If it didn't cross the line but was rather just student C disagreeing with student A's politics or calling them a bigot, then that is free speech and Marquette should not talk to them.

Marquette could have done:

• Given probation to b and c for harassment

Probation is not something that universities can just put students on. There is legally mandated due process that must be followed. They must be found responsible for violating a university rule or policy. I guarantee you there is no rule that prohibits someone from reporting another student for hate speech, so probation is out of the question for student B. Student C, it would depend on what they actually said/did. But we value free speech in this country so the standard for harassment is very high. Personally in 8 years of doing this work, I can't think of a single case where a political argument that was solely on social media resulted in substantiated harassment charges for either side unless one or both engaged in direct threats or used a racial slur (usually the N-Word). And I have seen several dozen of these cases over the years.

Marquette could have done:

• Given student A probation for her inappropriateness during the past month

Same answer as the one for students B and C. But also, you think this situation would be less of a "headache for the MU administration" if they put her on probation? All she had to do was talk to some dean and answer some reflective questions. I can't imagine the size of the tantrum she would be throwing if Marquette had actually punished her in any way. Plus there would  be some legitimacy to her tantrum because Marquette actually took action against her. At the very least FIRE would be all over MU.

I said it in the original thread about this situation. She has every right to us her free speech to post her political views and the alleged hate speech on social media. Her detractors have every right to use their free speech to call her a bigot, homophobe, racist, idiot, etc for posting her views and alleged hate speech. God bless the first amendment.

[Disco Hippie]

I said it in the original thread about this situation. She has every right to us her free speech to post her political views and the alleged hate speech on social media. Her detractors have every right to use their free speech to call her a bigot, homophobe, racist, idiot, etc for posting her views and alleged hate speech. God bless the first amendment.

I agree with this analysis, the problem is she did so using the Marquette brand and therein lies the conundrum for the university.   The last thing MU wants is to be perceived as a school that attracts an abundance of racists homophobes and xenophobes, and that's a serious concern.  They're having enough trouble meeting enrollment goals as it is without these kinds of distractions so this is definitely unwanted attention.

At the same time, they should not be in the business of monitoring students' social media activity as it relates to speech.  Even if said speech is anathema to the university's mission.   This idea that all incoming or existing students must reflect the values of the institution itself is ridiculous!  That will never happen.  Now If students are threatening physical harm or verbally abusing other students through social media that's a different issue that would need to be addressed.

What MU should have done is to have politely reached out to this student and simply said to them you're fine to express whatever views you want on social media but please don't use any MU imagery when you do.   That in itself might be a violation of free speech, I'm not sure as I'm not a constitutional lawyer but it seems to me it's a reasonable response.

MU could have told the existing students they're addressing the issue quietly with the incoming student and that should have been that.  The existing students I'm sure would still advocate for rescinding the incoming student's admission but MU should not have empowered them further and just let it be. 

In my view, MU has exhibited gross incompetence in this matter and would benefit greatly from the counsel of some our distinguished alums who are C-Suite communications officers for some of this country's largest corporations.  Some of them may even be regulars on this board. 

I've told some of the administrators that I keep in touch with as much.  MU has absolutely nothing to gain from any of this.

[Billy Hoyle]

Very well written analysis by incoming MU Student.

https://www.westernjournal.com/op-ed-almost-got-kicked-marquettes-incoming-class-support-trump-story/?ff_source=twitter&ff_medium=thenewvoice

She didn’t write that.

I don’t disagree with the actual author that the far left wokes are out of control when it comes to policing speech, but The constant victimology and scare tactics of a coming Armageddon for conservative students discredits this whole article.

[jesmu84]

Trolls gonna troll

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I agree with this analysis, the problem is she did so using the Marquette brand and therein lies the conundrum for the university.   The last thing MU wants is to be perceived as a school that attracts an abundance of racists homophobes and xenophobes, and that's a serious concern.  They're having enough trouble meeting enrollment goals as it is without these kinds of distractions so this is definitely unwanted attention.

At the same time, they should not be in the business of monitoring students' social media activity as it relates to speech.  Even if said speech is anathema to the university's mission.   This idea that all incoming or existing students must reflect the values of the institution itself is ridiculous!  That will never happen.  Now If students are threatening physical harm or verbally abusing other students through social media that's a different issue that would need to be addressed.

What MU should have done is to have politely reached out to this student and simply said to them you're fine to express whatever views you want on social media but please don't use any MU imagery when you do.   That in itself might be a violation of free speech, I'm not sure as I'm not a constitutional lawyer but it seems to me it's a reasonable response.

MU could have told the existing students they're addressing the issue quietly with the incoming student and that should have been that.  The existing students I'm sure would still advocate for rescinding the incoming student's admission but MU should not have empowered them further and just let it be. 

In my view, MU has exhibited gross incompetence in this matter and would benefit greatly from the counsel of some our distinguished alums who are C-Suite communications officers for some of this country's largest corporations.  Some of them may even be regulars on this board. 

I've told some of the administrators that I keep in touch with as much.  MU has absolutely nothing to gain from any of this.

Marquette really handled this well.  I have no idea what you expected the University to do to manage this.

And not using Marquette's "imagery?"  How are you going to enforce that?

[Hards Alumni]

I'm genuinely curious as to which conservative voices have been cancelled.

[Jockey]

Nah, she has already figured out that there is an entire sub-industry on the right dedicated to supporting those who cry about how victimized they are.

And if you whine loud enough, you might get on Fox News.

[Pakuni]

I'm genuinely curious as to which conservative voices have been cancelled.

The same ones who've been deprived of their freedom of speech.

[Elonsmusk]

Who the heck is advising this poor kid?
Four or five years from now, this kid is going to go looking for a job, and when potential employers Google her name, this is what they're going to find. Unless that potential employer is OAN, she's screwed.

I appreciate you recognizing the discrimination conservatives will face during the hiring process.  I've always thought liberals were open-minded, tolerant, compassionate, empathetic. The liberal party is rapidly devolving into fascism, racism, intolerance, and anything other than open-mindedness.  What's sad is many intelligent liberals are getting manipulated by the fringe, radical, confused, and uneducated, youthful faction of their party.

Youth is the hallmark of folly.  With age comes wisdom. 

[Elonsmusk]

And if you whine loud enough, you might get on Fox News.

Listening to Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, and Rachel Maddow is like tuning into a nonstop whine fest.  I spent 3 hours watching them the other night.  It was depressing, sad, and snowflake AF  -Don Lemon, especially.  Good God that guy has slipped in the last few years.