Masks

[Hards Alumni]

I meet with hospital staff all day every day, from c-suite all the way down to the bedside nurse so when I say this is what I’m hearing, it is indeed what I’m hearing.

Did anywhere in my original post say that I agree with these nurses who would rather be fired then get vaccinated?  So you’re acknowledging the largest health system is anticipating having to fire hundreds of nurses by getting out in front of it and hiring hundreds of nurses straight out of school.

So you agree (through your own personal experience it seems) with what I’m hearing even though you’re skeptical as to whether or not I’m actually hearing it.  Is that right?

A lot of people talk a tough game when they can get away with it.  When their paycheck and financial well being is on the line, they shut up real quickly.

Do you honestly think that Doctors (lol) and nurses (what we're really talking about here) are going to walk away from their professional careers over not getting vaccinated and take pay cuts across the board and sling burgles at Mac Ds?  No shot.

[The Lens]

I read an article last week where a Gunderson Hospital spokesperson implored people to get vaxxed bc they were near limits on ICUs.  An interesting pointed he made was not all beds are created equal.  COVID ICU beds can require double to triple the manpower for care so going to 94% beds full doesn't always mean 6% is open bc they may no longer have the doc / nurses to staff bc they are stretched thin with COVID.

[pacearrow02]

A lot of people talk a tough game when they can get away with it.  When their paycheck and financial well being is on the line, they shut up real quickly.

Do you honestly think that Doctors (lol) and nurses (what we're really talking about here) are going to walk away from their professional careers over not getting vaccinated and take pay cuts across the board and sling burgles at Mac Ds?  No shot.

No I don’t.  Concern is the CNAs, techs, HUCs, etc.  Lower level support staff who are getting paid peanuts for what they have to do all day but without them the RNs will not be able to handle the additional workload.

Also non-medical staff.  Bio-Med, facilities maintenance, custodial etc…

[Pakuni]

Survey of 1.6 million employers finds that less than 2% of workers have resigned over vaccine mandates.
Now, given the labor issues out there, every worker counts, but its seems that concerns over any kind of mass exodus so far has failed to materialize.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/958586#vp_2
 

[pacearrow02]

Survey of 1.6 million employers finds that less than 2% of workers have resigned over vaccine mandates.
Now, given the labor issues out there, every worker counts, but its seems that concerns over any kind of mass exodus so far has failed to materialize.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/958586#vp_2

Yup some think as low as 1% some fear higher but no one really knows til the mandates go fully into effect.

[jesmu84]

It affects both as you would imagine, the good news is that hospitals now know what resources it takes to care for a Covid patient so it’s a little more predictable and they can plan for it.

The bigger concern I’m hearing from hospital administrators is the unknown percentage of there workforce that will quit/fired once the vaccine mandates go into place and how that will affect their health systems ability to handle the inevitable fall surge.  Some are estimating 1% while others are fearing as much as 10% would leave during a time where nursing shortages are being felt at all levels and corners of the country.

Lol.

You have an apparently incorrect understanding of healthcare in America re: covid admission implications

[pacearrow02]

Lol.

You have an apparently incorrect understanding of healthcare in America re: covid admission implications

Wrong.

[Uncle Rico]

Wrong.

No, he’s right and you’re wrong.

[MU82]

I meet with hospital staff all day every day, from c-suite all the way down to the bedside nurse so when I say this is what I’m hearing, it is indeed what I’m hearing.

Did anywhere in my original post say that I agree with these nurses who would rather be fired then get vaccinated?  So you’re acknowledging the largest health system is anticipating having to fire hundreds of nurses by getting out in front of it and hiring hundreds of nurses straight out of school.

So you agree (through your own personal experience it seems) with what I’m hearing even though you’re skeptical as to whether or not I’m actually hearing it.  Is that right?

People make all kinds of claims on the interwebs. I mean, some say the only thing the previous president did wrong regarding the pandemic was "bad messaging," and some of those same people think DeSantis has been wonderful for the Floridians his policies are killing.

But we actually agree on some of this stuff, or so it would seem if you're telling the truth instead of trolling, and I hope that it doesn't strain the fragile hospital system too much. But again, what's the alternative? Anybody who goes to a hospital does not want to be face-to-face with infected mouth-breathers who refuse to be vaccinated.

[Hards Alumni]

No I don’t.  Concern is the CNAs, techs, HUCs, etc.  Lower level support staff who are getting paid peanuts for what they have to do all day but without them the RNs will not be able to handle the additional workload.

Also non-medical staff.  Bio-Med, facilities maintenance, custodial etc…

The concern is unfounded, I assure you.  As I've said before, what are they going to do?  Lay bricks?  They paid for their degrees and certs.  They're not walking away from those jobs to lay bricks, serve food, or make beds.  Don't be ridiculous.

[pacearrow02]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/new-york-hospital-staff-resignation-vaccine-mandate-maternity-pause/

Wrong.

[MU82]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/new-york-hospital-staff-resignation-vaccine-mandate-maternity-pause/

Wrong.

Blame the effen unvaccinated, not the policy.

What mother who cares about her own health and that of her baby would want a bunch of selfish, misinformed, unvaccinated mouth-breathers in the delivery room or on the support staff?

Again, you claim to be for vaccines, so what is your solution? Separate unvaccinated maternity wards, where unvaccinated mothers can be treated by unvaccinated medical staff?

You're good at criticizing everybody (except DeSantis and Tucker), but where is your solution? What are all the administrators you talk to suggesting hospitals do in this kind of situation?

[Pakuni]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/new-york-hospital-staff-resignation-vaccine-mandate-maternity-pause/

Wrong.

This is a small upstate NY hospital that performs about 200 deliveries a year.
If a temporary pause in births at a hospital that does fewer than four of them in a week is the worst you can find, then I remain entirely unconcerned. A few expectant moms will have to be driven a little further to give birth. An inconvenience for a tiny segment of the population? Sure. Reason to believe hospital systems won't be able to handle a fall surge in COVID because of mass resignations? Not close.

[pacearrow02]

Blame the effen unvaccinated, not the policy.

What mother who cares about her own health and that of her baby would want a bunch of selfish, misinformed, unvaccinated mouth-breathers in the delivery room or on the support staff?

Again, you claim to be for vaccines, so what is your solution? Separate unvaccinated maternity wards, where unvaccinated mothers can be treated by unvaccinated medical staff?

You're good at criticizing everybody (except DeSantis and Tucker), but where is your solution? What are all the administrators you talk to suggesting hospitals do in this kind of situation?

My original response about staff shortages was it being a larger concern for administrators then the lack of resources from a Covid surge.  I don’t disagree that these nurses should be vaccinated band if they’re not should be fired.  It was simply saying that was the larger concern that I’m hearing.

[MU82]

My original response about staff shortages was it being a larger concern for administrators then the lack of resources from a Covid surge.  I don’t disagree that these nurses should be vaccinated band if they’re not should be fired.  It was simply saying that was the larger concern that I’m hearing.

From what I've read, those administrators' concerns are not the norm, at least when it comes to big-city hospitals. Here, more are concerned about the availability of ICU beds and about their employees being spread too thin because they have to spend so much time treating unvaccinated COVID-19 patients.

But I'm not shooting the messenger, PA02, as you say you were only relaying what you've heard. I actually appreciate what might have been your most reasonable Scoop post ever, and I look forward to more.

[pacearrow02]

This is a small upstate NY hospital that performs about 200 deliveries a year.
If a temporary pause in births at a hospital that does fewer than four of them in a week is the worst you can find, then I remain entirely unconcerned. A few expectant moms will have to be driven a little further to give birth. An inconvenience for a tiny segment of the population? Sure. Reason to believe hospital systems won't be able to handle a fall surge in COVID because of mass resignations? Not close.

Phew!!  I’ll make sure my customers know their concerns are unwarranted.  Pakuni said everything will be fine.

[Uncle Rico]

Phew!!  I’ll make sure my customers know their concerns are unwarranted.  Pakuni said everything will be fine.

Your make believe customers will be fine

[jsglow]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/new-york-hospital-staff-resignation-vaccine-mandate-maternity-pause/

Wrong.

Pace, you know as well as I do that one will ALWAYS be able to find stories to support any narrative.  Well here's one more.  Our daughter is now in administration at Aurora St. Luke's after serving several years at the bedside, including in the Covid unit. That fine institution is one of two Tier 1 hospitals in MKE, certainly serving a decent percentage of the Scoopers you interact with here so real world and directly applicable, wouldn't you agree? 

She knows of ONE departure over their corporate vaccine mandate.  One.

[Pakuni]

Phew!!  I’ll make sure my customers know their concerns are unwarranted.  Pakuni said everything will be fine.

Your customers can worry about an imminent nuclear attack from France or anything else, for all I care. There's just as much reason to believe that as it there to believe some kind of system failure is imminent due to a critical mass of mandate-driven resignations.
Might there be some hiccups, like at a maternity ward  in middle-of-nowhere New York? Sure. But that's not what you claimed was the concern. For what you claimed was there concern, there's no evidence to date to believe it will happen.


 

[pacearrow02]

Pace, you know as well as I do that one will ALWAYS be able to find stories to support any narrative.  Well here's one more.  Our daughter is now in administration at Aurora St. Luke's after serving several years at the bedside, including in the Covid unit. That fine institution is one of two Tier 1 hospitals in MKE, certainly serving a decent percentage of the Scoopers you interact with here so real world and directly applicable, wouldn't you agree? 

She knows of ONE departure over their corporate vaccine mandate.  One.

I know ASLMC very well, amazing hospital with amazing people!!  Very good chance your daughter and I paths have crossed at some point.  Hope that there remains just one nurse that leaves after the mandate deadline goes out into effect but that’s great news!! 🙏

[Uncle Rico]

I know ASLMC very well, amazing hospital with amazing people!!  Very good chance your daughter and I paths have crossed at some point.  Hope that there remains just one nurse that leaves after the mandate deadline goes out into effect but that’s great news!! 🙏

You’ve never crossed paths with his daughter

[pbiflyer]

Masks smasks. Overrated. Ask this guy.

Anti-Mask Florida Official Dies of COVID—and Takes GOP Software Secrets With Him

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gregg-prentice-anti-mask-florida-election-official-dies-of-covid-and-takes-gop-software-secrets-with-him

Just a day after testing positive for COVID-19, a Florida Republican official who battled against mask mandates, attacked the vaccine, and railed at CDC officials has died in Tampa.

Gregg Prentice, who was 61, led the Hillsborough County Election Integrity Committee—and his sudden death has sent the local GOP scrambling as it no longer has access to essential campaign finance software without his help.

Along with others in the Hillsborough County Election Integrity Committee, Prentice was a vociferous critic of the vaccine, mask mandates, and COVID-prevention measures. He railed against top infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci, vowing in a Twitter post to “end Faucism.” He also insisted the U.S. needs “more socialist distancing than we do social distancing” and that the pandemic was created to destroy small businesses.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Masks smasks. Overrated. Ask this guy.

Anti-Mask Florida Official Dies of COVID—and Takes GOP Software Secrets With Him

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gregg-prentice-anti-mask-florida-election-official-dies-of-covid-and-takes-gop-software-secrets-with-him

Just a day after testing positive for COVID-19, a Florida Republican official who battled against mask mandates, attacked the vaccine, and railed at CDC officials has died in Tampa.

Gregg Prentice, who was 61, led the Hillsborough County Election Integrity Committee—and his sudden death has sent the local GOP scrambling as it no longer has access to essential campaign finance software without his help.

Along with others in the Hillsborough County Election Integrity Committee, Prentice was a vociferous critic of the vaccine, mask mandates, and COVID-prevention measures. He railed against top infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci, vowing in a Twitter post to “end Faucism.” He also insisted the U.S. needs “more socialist distancing than we do social distancing” and that the pandemic was created to destroy small businesses.

Unmasked. Unmuzzled. Unvaccinated. Unafraid...is definitely the way to go. Literally.
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/post/kristen-lowery-40-escalon-california-anti-vaxxer-ex-vaxxer-died-of-covid

Surprised the flag motif didn't protect her.

[🏀]

Your make believe customers will be fine

Is he selling DirecTV to new mothers in the hospital now?

Tough racket.

[rocky_warrior]

Well, at least the US hasn't cornered the market on crazy.  Germany jumping in too:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-germany-mask-murder-gas-station-attendant/

Berlin — Senior politicians in Germany expressed shock over the weekend killing of a young gas station clerk who asked a customer to wear a face mask, and they warned Tuesday against the radicalization of people who oppose the country's coronavirus pandemic restrictions. A 49-year-old German man was arrested in the fatal Saturday shooting of the clerk in the western town of Idar-Oberstein. The suspect is being held on suspicion of murder.
 
Authorities said the man told officers he acted "out of anger" after being refused service for not wearing a mask while trying to buy beer.