Masks

[Jockey]

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/do-face-masks-work-here-are-49-scientific-studies-that-explain-why-they-do/

Won't do a thing to convince him. Facts are irrelevant to these people.

[Pakuni]

While I don't disagree with the rest of your post, I have a hard time believing the bolded part.

To believe that, you'd have to believe he knew wearing masks, social distancing, etc. would keep people safe, but he not only chose not to do those things himself, but didn't want his wife and children doing it either.
That's pretty monstrous.

[tower912]

The problem is that the virus is relentless and doesn't care.   All it wants is a receptive host and to spread.    Humans think they are smarter than the virus and live in denial about it.   They think there are shortcuts to beating the virus.   There aren't.   And if you think there are, the virus is smarter than you, too.

[JWags85]

I'm currently in Vegas for a convention and the Nevada mask mandate and it's nuances is baffling.

They are MILITANT about enforcement on the convention floor.  Multiple times I've seen people near me be asked to fix their mask or cover their nose.  However, on the casino floor, you need to be masked unless drinking or smoking.  If you have your mask hanging off of one ear while taking a drink, you will be approached and scolded by staff or security.  The preferred method is pulling it under your chin.  If you keep it under to it chin indefinitely, even if there isn't a drink or smoke on your lips, staff won't approach you.

And bars/restaurants? Free for all.  The minute you enter either, not sit at your table, just enter the establishment, the only people wearing masks are staff.   I went to a nightclub last night, 2000 people or so, the only people in masks were the bartenders.

I personally haven't been skeeved out or worried, I've just found it interesting and amusing

[Jockey]

To believe that, you'd have to believe he knew wearing masks, social distancing, etc. would keep people safe, but he not only chose not to do those things himself, but didn't want his wife and children doing it either.
That's pretty monstrous.

Common sense says that you are right.

But...., politics changes people. People who claimed to be patriotic Americans tried to overthrow our government. So, it's not a big reach to believe people are denying Covid reality because of politics.

[JWags85]

Common sense says that you are right.

But...., politics changes people. People who claimed to be patriotic Americans tried to overthrow our government. So, it's not a big reach to believe people are denying Covid reality because of politics.

You just agreed with him. Denying reality or willful ignorance as a result of politics is a stark difference than not caring.

There is a difference between not wearing a seatbelt because a politician you align with is anti-seatbelt and has convinced/brainwashed you into thinking they are a hoax and don't work and someone who knows seatbelts are proven and safely effective but do not use them cause they hate seatbelt supporters. Pakuni is (rightly) assuming this guy was the former. As many of these naive idiots are

[muwarrior69]

Won't do a thing to convince him. Facts are irrelevant to these people.

Wow! The first paper had a table of mask mandated places where people gather. The first was 169 clients from a hair salon where two contracted COVID. Where was the data from a hair salon that had no mask mandate. None, but I'm suppose to conclude that masks work with those facts.

[Jockey]

You just agreed with him. Denying reality or willful ignorance as a result of politics is a stark difference than not caring.

There is a difference between not wearing a seatbelt because a politician you align with is anti-seatbelt and has convinced/brainwashed you into thinking they are a hoax and don't work and someone who knows seatbelts are proven and safely effective but do not use them cause they hate seatbelt supporters. Pakuni is (rightly) assuming this guy was the former. As many of these naive idiots are

He may have been right. You really don't know. As a matter of fact, by saying "As many of these naive idiots are", you are admitting that many are not.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Wow! The first paper had a table of mask mandated places where people gather. The first was 169 clients from a hair salon where two contracted COVID. Where was the data from a hair salon that had no mask mandate. None, but I'm suppose to conclude that masks work with those facts.

The link is to 49 studies. But no amount of data will change your mind, so what is the point?

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Mask evidence. Also seems like an interesting trial on the strategies they tested for increasing mask use. 

https://twitter.com/jabaluck/status/1433036923610742789?s=21

[Pakuni]

Mask evidence. Also seems like an interesting trial on the strategies they tested for increasing mask use. 

https://twitter.com/jabaluck/status/1433036923610742789?s=21

Sure, that sounds like "science," but counterpoint:

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1432728173293211650

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Seriously, even freaking story like this is in Florida. I'm undecided if all the stupid is being magically drawn there, or people there are being radicalized. Probably a heavy mix of both.

[tower912]

The morons are loose on Michigan, too.

[Pakuni]

The morons are loose on Michigan, too.

It's anywhere naive, gullible and vulnerable people can get an internet connection and fall down a rabbit hole of QAnon, Pizzagate and other conspiracy theories that literally ruin lives and families.
There really ought to be a special place in hell for the Alex Jones, Ron Watkins and Michael Flynns of the world.

[JWags85]

It's anywhere naive, gullible and vulnerable people can get an internet connection and fall down a rabbit hole of QAnon, Pizzagate and other conspiracy theories that literally ruin lives and families.
There really ought to be a special place in hell for the Alex Jones, Ron Watkins and Michael Flynns of the world.

Even moreso the first 2 for me.  Their nonsense feels more parapolitical than anything else to me. I've always thought Alex Jones is playing an absurd character for his own financial gain at the expense of hundreds of thousands of lemmings.  Meanwhile, Watkins and his dad are worse cause they've always struck me as sociopaths who want to watch the world burn as opposed to actual radicalized political idealists

[jesmu84]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1432728173293211650?s=20

MDs need to go back to school

[Warriors4ever]

One of my favorite comments on that thread is the guy who asked if this was the Crusades now.
She's so Christian  but has no problem swearing🤣

[pbiflyer]

It's anywhere naive, gullible and vulnerable people can get an internet connection and fall down a rabbit hole of QAnon, Pizzagate and other conspiracy theories that literally ruin lives and families.
There really ought to be a special place in hell for the Alex Jones, Ron Watkins and Michael Flynns of the world.

As exceptionally varied are opinions on Joe Rogan, here's one thing we all now have to agree on: Joe Rogan does not have cow worms.

[Pakuni]

As exceptionally varied are opinions on Joe Rogan, here's one thing we all now have to agree on: Joe Rogan does not have cow worms.

What's a little ivermectin compared to the gallons of dianabol and HGH he's injected over the years?

[pacearrow02]

Mask evidence. Also seems like an interesting trial on the strategies they tested for increasing mask use. 

https://twitter.com/jabaluck/status/1433036923610742789?s=21

Not sure this study is the silver bullet needed to justify mask mandates of any sort.  Essentially says cloth masks are pointless and even surgical masks sowed no statistical improvement or advantage in people under 50?

[MUDPT]

Not sure this study is the silver bullet needed to justify mask mandates of any sort.  Essentially says cloth masks are pointless and even surgical masks sowed no statistical improvement or advantage in people under 50?

You can read the paper here.  It says masks work and surgical work better then cloth.  https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf

[jesmu84]

You can read the paper here.  It says masks work and surgical work better then cloth.  https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf

He's not interested in information.

He hasn't changed a single stance of his from the beginning of covid regardless of data/evidence presented.

The goalposts will continue to move.

[pacearrow02]

You can read the paper here.  It says masks work and surgical work better then cloth.  https://www.poverty-action.org/sites/default/files/publications/Mask_RCT____Symptomatic_Seropositivity_083121.pdf

Thanks, I did.  Did you?

"No statistically significant decrease"

[pacearrow02]

He's not interested in information.

He hasn't changed a single stance of his from the beginning of covid regardless of data/evidence presented.

The goalposts will continue to move.

Did you read the study?  Nothing I said was inaccurate if you actually read it.

And I'm the uninterested one?!?!?

[Pakuni]

Thanks, I did.  Did you?

"No statistically significant decrease"

So, are making the case that mask mandates should require surgical masks, since they've been proven effective?
I'm all ears.