Masks

[GooooMarquette]

Tennessee reported 72 new deaths yesterday.

Governor Bill Lee?

https://twitter.com/BrettKelman/status/1329075526321913864?s=19

Solid leadership. 

[Hards Alumni]

woooo the last two pages were quite the ride.

[Skatastrophy]

woooo the last two pages were quite the ride.

Your mom's a ride

[shoothoops]

Solid leadership. 

https://fox17.com/amp/news/local/come-and-see-nashville-doctor-invites-tennessee-governor-bill-lee-to-work-er-shift-during-covid-19-pandemic-emergency-room-coronavirus-hospital-capacity?__twitter_impression=true

[Jockey]

Solid leadership. 

They just do not care.

People like us and many, many others on this board take all precautions, isolate as much as possible, always wear masks, avoid gatherings and bars, etc.

And what good does it all do when we have people like the president and these governors pleading for more people to get sick.

I'm just utterly disgusted with the stupidity of our fellow citizens and "leaders".

F trump and F the whiners who are going to complain to the mods about this.

[shoothoops]

New Monmouth Poll, 77% of DT voters say JB won due to fraud. That's about 56 million people.

And we wonder why so many won't wear a mask and won't physically distance.

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_US_111820/

[TSmith34, Inc.]

New Monmouth Poll, 77% of DT voters say JB won due to fraud. That's about 56 million people.

And we wonder why so many won't wear a mask and won't physically distance.

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_US_111820/

Cult

[shoothoops]

Singapore:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-11-19/singapore-safe-distancing-ambassadors?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

[naginiF]

Singapore:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-11-19/singapore-safe-distancing-ambassadors?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

Where, according to the picture, the distancing ambassadors monitor everyone but themselves. With power comes privilege I guess.

[GooooMarquette]

Where, according to the picture, the distancing ambassadors monitor everyone but themselves. With power comes privilege I guess.

To be fair, they are both wearing masks, and the offenders referred to in the article were busted for being maskless.

Maybe a better title would be 'mask ambassadors.'

[rocky_warrior]

Singapore:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-11-19/singapore-safe-distancing-ambassadors?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

Singapore is a wonderful place.  But based on their laws and more importantly the harsh punishments for breaking them, I'm not sure it's really a model that would work many other places.

[shoothoops]

Singapore is a wonderful place.  But based on their laws and more importantly the harsh punishments for breaking them, I'm not sure it's really a model that would work many other places.

People aren't wearing masks there out of fear of punishment. They are wearing masks because they know doing so protects others and themselves. Any fines, punishment etc are more symbolic gestures.

More people have died in South Dakota, population 800,000 than South Korea, population 52 million from COVID-19.

[rocky_warrior]

People aren't wearing masks there out of fear of punishment. They are wearing masks because they know doing so protects others and themselves. Any fines, punishment etc are more symbolic gestures.

Did you even read the article you posted?  Singapore is known for their punishments.  Sure most people do it out of compassion for their fellow humans, just like many in the US.  But don't try to sugarcoat the authoritarian hand of Singapore!

"There’s no politically tinged anti-science movement that eschews masks or claims the pandemic is a hoax. Singaporeans are so inured to surveillance in the single party-dominated state that contact tracers had little trouble rooting out clusters. Citizens even have an app for snitching on safe-distancing scofflaws, who can face hefty fines or jail time.

"“Fear of penalties are a major motivating factor behind compliance, as is the sense that nothing much can be done about such intrusive measures,” said Ja Ian Chong, a political scientist at the National University of Singapore."

" In May, a safe-distancing officer working for the National Parks Board was stabbed by a 61-year-old man trimming pandan leaves in a park without a mask on. The assailant faces life in imprisonment, though because of his more advanced age, he’ll be spared a caning."

"One 48-year-old man was fined $2,600 for cursing at a safe-distancing officer after he ordered the man’s wife to stop loitering outside a mall."

[shoothoops]

Did you even read the article you posted?  Singapore is known for their punishments.  Sure most people do it out of compassion for their fellow humans, just like many in the US.  But don't try to sugarcoat the authoritarian hand of Singapore!

"There’s no politically tinged anti-science movement that eschews masks or claims the pandemic is a hoax. Singaporeans are so inured to surveillance in the single party-dominated state that contact tracers had little trouble rooting out clusters. Citizens even have an app for snitching on safe-distancing scofflaws, who can face hefty fines or jail time.

"“Fear of penalties are a major motivating factor behind compliance, as is the sense that nothing much can be done about such intrusive measures,” said Ja Ian Chong, a political scientist at the National University of Singapore."

" In May, a safe-distancing officer working for the National Parks Board was stabbed by a 61-year-old man trimming pandan leaves in a park without a mask on. The assailant faces life in imprisonment, though because of his more advanced age, he’ll be spared a caning."

"One 48-year-old man was fined $2,600 for cursing at a safe-distancing officer after he ordered the man’s wife to stop loitering outside a mall."

Maybe read your own post before posting. Seems you are trying to disagree to simply to disagree here.

You say, "Did you even read the article you posted?" (yep, I posted it)

You then say, "Sure most people do it out of compassion for their fellow humans."

Compliance elsewhere including Singapore is much better than the U.S. for a variety of reasons. Much of it is because they respect basic science for their own self benefit and others. The majority of people don't do so out of fear of punishment. However there are fines and punishments that exist in some places as well.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Maybe read your own post before posting. Seems you are trying to disagree to simply to disagree here.

You say, "Did you even read the article you posted?" (yep, I posted it)

You then say, "Sure most people do it out of compassion for their fellow humans."

Compliance elsewhere including Singapore is much better than the U.S. for a variety of reasons. Much of it is because they respect basic science for their own self benefit and others. The majority of people don't do so out of fear of punishment. However there are fines and punishments that exist in some places as well.

But the article mentioned Singapore...then you compared South Dakota to South Korea.

Singapore and South Korea aren't the same place. 

[shoothoops]

But the article mentioned Singapore...then you compared South Dakota to South Korea.

Singapore and South Korea aren't the same place.

Yes, I posted the article about Singapore. I also compared a different country COVID-19 dead bodies to a single American State in a different place, yes. ?

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

After having spent a few days in Singapore last year, my first reaction as the engineer in me was how over-organized the place is.  Smoking boxes - lines painted on the sidewalk.  Where to stand getting on the SMRT. 
On my morning runs I recall seeing people sleeping on the sidewalk by the open onion shaped museum and my Singapore friends said the police have been getting lax lately. 
That being said I was on my best behavior because I didn't want caned.  Besides the alcohol was expensive too.

[GooooMarquette]

After having spent a few days in Singapore last year, my first reaction as the engineer in me was how over-organized the place is.  Smoking boxes - lines painted on the sidewalk.  Where to stand getting on the SMRT. 
On my morning runs I recall seeing people sleeping on the sidewalk by the open onion shaped museum and my Singapore friends said the police have been getting lax lately. 
That being said I was on my best behavior because I didn't want caned.  Besides the alcohol was expensive too.

It has been over 10 years since I have been there, but my favorite Singapore sight was a 'no trespassing' sign that had a picture of a guard aiming a rifle at a trespasser. They mean business.

By the way, the museum is shaped like a Durian. If you haven't tried one, they are quite an...ummm...treat.

[rocky_warrior]

By the way, the museum is shaped like a Durian. If you haven't tried one, they are quite an...ummm...treat.

As opposed to Durian, try the carrot cake (Chai tow kway).  It is neither carrot, nor cake, but it's *actually* a delicious meal!

[rocky_warrior]

The majority of people don't do so out of fear of punishment.

Seriously - read!

"“Fear of penalties are a major motivating factor behind compliance, as is the sense that nothing much can be done about such intrusive measures,” said Ja Ian Chong, a political scientist at the National University of Singapore."

Why should I trust you over him?

[shoothoops]

Seriously - read!

"“Fear of penalties are a major motivating factor behind compliance, as is the sense that nothing much can be done about such intrusive measures,” said Ja Ian Chong, a political scientist at the National University of Singapore."

Why should I trust you over him?

You, yes you not me, literally said that "sure most people do it out of compassion for their fellow humans."

So now you are changing your previous response?

I posted the Singapore link as it was without comment or opinion.

It is my opinion (and previously was yours) that many people are wearing masks and social distancing primarily for reasons other than punishment fear. However, for those that don't, punishments can and do exist there.

[JWags85]

2 of my closest business friends/associates are Singapore residents. It is 100% motivated by punishment. In terms of community and selflessness, Singapore doesn’t standout compared to other Asian nations. Excessive government control and risk of punishment is ingrained in anyone there. My buddy went to university in London and his friends made fun of him cause for years he wouldn’t cross a street without a signal and clear “permission”, even if deserted of cars.

Much like kids at a old school strict Catholic grade school being diligent and well behaved. It’s not cause they are just naturally sweet and polite children, they are conditioned by strict and borderline oppressive overlords

[4everwarriors]

As opposed to Durian, try the carrot cake (Chai tow kway).  It is neither carrot, nor cake, but it's *actually* a delicious meal!

Tastes like chicken, hey?

[rocky_warrior]

People aren't wearing masks there out of fear of punishment. They are wearing masks because they know doing so protects others and themselves. Any fines, punishment etc are more symbolic gestures.

It is my opinion (and previously was yours) that many people are wearing masks and social distancing primarily for reasons other than punishment fear. However, for those that don't, punishments can and do exist there.

Is is symbolic, or are the punishments real?  I can't keep up with your story.  I'll close with my original response which originally got you on this tangent, and is 100% true.

Singapore is a wonderful place.  But based on their laws and more importantly the harsh punishments for breaking them, I'm not sure it's really a model that would work many other places.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

It has been over 10 years since I have been there, but my favorite Singapore sight was a 'no trespassing' sign that had a picture of a guard aiming a rifle at a trespasser. They mean business.

By the way, the museum is shaped like a Durian. If you haven't tried one, they are quite an...ummm...treat.

I compromised and bought durian chips in the supermarket.  Potato chips made of durian instead.  Quite surprisingly good.

I ran by the museum every morning I was there.