no California teams at least for 1st semester of college basketball season?

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Fauci, the guy who has been a government bureaucrat for 50 years, has not seen or treated a patient for 20 years, and who has been wrong with every predictive model he has espoused during the pandemic, who said in January, Feb. and March all sides of the issue, should be believed because his "opinion" is gospel.

Haha no sh!+!!!
Or like the clown the Dems paraded before Congress that is bitching that his opinions were not followed?!?!  Bottom line is two years from now we will know where it ended up.  To take one doctors opinion and broadcast it across Congress as the definitive answers that must be taken as gospel is... well Shiffty and sensationalism at best

[wadesworld]

Haha no sh!+!!!
Or like the clown the Dems paraded before Congress that is bitching that his opinions were not followed?!?!  Bottom line is two years from now we will know where it ended up.  To take one doctors opinion and broadcast it across Congress as the definitive answers that must be taken as gospel is... well Shiffty and sensationalism at best

Yeah. Jerad knows better!

Talk about a clown...

[Uncle Rico]

Haha no sh!+!!!
Or like the clown the Dems paraded before Congress that is bitching that his opinions were not followed?!?!  Bottom line is two years from now we will know where it ended up.  To take one doctors opinion and broadcast it across Congress as the definitive answers that must be taken as gospel is... well Shiffty and sensationalism at best

Have you read your personal quote?

[Newsdreams]

Fauci, the guy who has been a government bureaucrat for 50 years, has not seen or treated a patient for 20 years, and who has been wrong with every predictive model he has espoused during the pandemic, who said in January, Feb. and March all sides of the issue, should be believed because his "opinion" is gospel.

The kind of specialist Fauci is don't normally see patients. FYI Dr. Fauci is not the one doing the predictive models #FakeNews. With regards to immunity unfortunately it has not been stablished if it is achieved after exposure. And once stablished they need to find out what level of immunity is acquired, short term or long term.

[wadesworld]

Willie seems like a guy who doesn’t understand why a Doctor would be teaching an English course instead of working in a hospital or clinic.

[4everwarriors]

Hmm.  Trust Dr. Fauci or trust Jerad.  Tough call!

Ya talkin' 'bout da multi-millionaire dude hoos bonin' Ivanka? Sign me up four dat action, hey?

[Daniel]

Without a bulletproof treatment I doubt we see stadiums full of people in the fall.   A vaccine is a long ways out.  But a treatment that works and cures the patient is step one. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Ya talkin' 'bout da multi-millionaire dude hoos bonin' Ivanka? Sign me up four dat action, hey?

Nah

[muwarrior69]

I agree with everything but this last half of a sentence. Content knowledge is only one small part of getting a degree from a university. A big part of the college experience is learning how to be a successful, independent adult who can effectively communicate and work with colleagues in an increasingly diverse workforce. While math, spanish, biology, etc can be taught effectively online, many intrinsic skills like critical thinking, self determination, intercultural communication, etc cannot.

I'm also not convinced that online education is effective for all students. This is anecdotal, but I have way more students tell me that they login into their zoom lectures for attendance purposes but then leave them on while they go watch TV or play video games. I even had one student tell me that the best part of the pandemic is that he can show up to all his classes stoned without getting caught. I have yet to hear any student say that they think that they are learning more now that all classes are online.

The problem isn't limited to students. Many faculty don't treat their online lectures the same as in person ones. My wife is a PHD student. One of her classes is taught be a world renowned expert in qualitative research. Literally wrote the book on qualitative research in sociology. My wife had class with her last semester and said it was one of the best experiences she ever had. Every class went the full three hours and was filled with the professor's expertise and rich discussion with her classmates. She took her next level course this semester and said since the pandemic it has been a huge waste of time. The professor regularly has issues logging on to zoom, there was 1 class where she showed up 45 minutes late because she couldn't figure out zoom. The class that is supposed to be three hours long is now over after 45 to 90 minutes. The class isn't a discussion any more, its the professor reading a script into a camera and asking if anyone has any questions....which no one ever does (possibly because half of them aren't actually paying attention). Every Tuesday after logging off, my wife declares that she is wasting 1000s of dollars on a sham class.

I know my examples are anecdotal, and I'm sure there are plenty of examples of positive experiences. I also am a firm believer that online education has a critical role in providing educational access to distance learners and those from lower socio-economic statuses. However, I strongly believe that the degree is in fact lessened by the changed experience.

TAMU, we don't agree on much; but I agree with all you said above. We are social creatures by nature and yearn for that human interaction and contact that you cannot get over a computer screen.

[brewcity77]

I know my examples are anecdotal, and I'm sure there are plenty of examples of positive experiences. I also am a firm believer that online education has a critical role in providing educational access to distance learners and those from lower socio-economic statuses. However, I strongly believe that the degree is in fact lessened by the changed experience.

For some, maybe, but plenty of people finish in-person college with degrees and never gain those skills you speak of. The problem solving, the critical thinking, the communication skills, many of those skills only come with life experience. Whether it's me or my wife, we've both worked with people that have all the degrees and credentials from in-person education that still struggle with those traits. Especially those fresh out of school.

I think we often overestimate the wisdom gained from a traditional education. The degree will give you the skills, but life will give the wisdom. I still feel those skills can be taught in this environment.

Also, we're still working on the assumption this is temporary. If it's 1-2 semesters out of 8-10 a student will spend in college, I don't think the experience will be meaningfully diminished in the long run, and employers will understand this was everyone's reality in 2020.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

For some, maybe, but plenty of people finish in-person college with degrees and never gain those skills you speak of. The problem solving, the critical thinking, the communication skills, many of those skills only come with life experience. Whether it's me or my wife, we've both worked with people that have all the degrees and credentials from in-person education that still struggle with those traits. Especially those fresh out of school.

I think we often overestimate the wisdom gained from a traditional education. The degree will give you the skills, but life will give the wisdom. I still feel those skills can be taught in this environment.

Also, we're still working on the assumption this is temporary. If it's 1-2 semesters out of 8-10 a student will spend in college, I don't think the experience will be meaningfully diminished in the long run, and employers will understand this was everyone's reality in 2020.

I definitely agree with the last paragraph and pieces of the first two. But I'd argue that those people you and your wife have worked with likely would have struggled even more than they do had they not gotten their degrees. Though its definitely true that there is no one size fits all approach to education.

My personal experience is that college forces most students to be independent and be exposed to people and ideas different from the ones they grew up with. Life can do that too but my experience is that we live in bubbles that  are becoming bigger and bigger echo chambers. I know so many friends and family members who are the exact same person they were in high school because they never left their bubble. There are certainly other ways to obtain that growth, but I happen to think that attending an inperson university is one of the best and most efficient ways to do it.

[WarriorDad]

Hmm.  Trust Dr. Fauci or trust Jerad.  Tough call!

Are those the only two options?  Don't think so.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Willie seems like a guy who doesn’t understand why a Doctor would be teaching an English course instead of working in a hospital or clinic.

Or the surgeon general.

[79Warrior]

Are those the only two options?  Don't think so.

No. Trust Trump. He has your best interests at heart.

[WarriorDad]

No. Trust Trump. He has your best interests at heart.

No thank you.  I am trying to recall the last politician that had my best interests at heart and I cannot come up with any.

[MU82]

Haha no sh!+!!!
Or like the clown the Dems paraded before Congress that is bitching that his opinions were not followed?!?!  Bottom line is two years from now we will know where it ended up.  To take one doctors opinion and broadcast it across Congress as the definitive answers that must be taken as gospel is... well Shiffty and sensationalism at best

Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

[muwarrior69]

Political free board, plz leave your clever quips in your clever mind.

That seems to only run one way around here.

[Galway Eagle]

That seems to only run one way around here.

Yeah totally, never mind that literally the post MU82 was quoting was politically motivated from the side that you're claiming is repressed on this board... if you ignore things like that it totally only runs one way.