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MU82

https://twitter.com/DriveThrough_/status/1249513645110951942?s=20

NASCAR driver Kyle Larson, erroneously thinking he was in a 1-on-1 conversation with his team, used the N-word during a live stream of an iRacing event Sunday.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2020/04/13/kyle-larson-nascar-racer-uses-racial-slur-during-virtual-race/2981082001/

Larson, 27, is half Japanese and is the only driver of Japanese descent to win a major NASCAR race. He climbed from short track racing into NASCAR through its "Drive for Diversity" program.

Can't make this shyte up.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

tower912

Unfortunate.   In different times, it would register higher on my give a crap meter.   Currently, meh.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

JWags85

Refreshingly, NASCAR has traditionally been pretty no-nonsense on this, almost draconian (I remember a driver being suspended for statements his father had made in the past).  I would imagine he's lost his ride in pretty short order.

MU82

Larson apologized, but he still got suspended by NASCAR, dumped by his major sponsors and, today, fired by Chip Ganassi Racing and dropped by Chevrolet.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nascar-auto-racing/article241998186.html?

Personally, I hope he gets a second chance.

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Hards Alumni

Quote from: MU82 on April 14, 2020, 03:13:30 PM
Larson apologized, but he still got suspended by NASCAR, dumped by his major sponsors and, today, fired by Chip Ganassi Racing and dropped by Chevrolet.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nascar-auto-racing/article241998186.html?

Personally, I hope he gets a second chance.

"Sorry, I got caught saying a word that I say so often I said it to my team.  Also, they didn't immediately stop me, nor did they do anything besides ignore it, so they probably say it often too."

Nope, I have zero tolerance for these type of people.  Plenty of other guys around that can drive in circles that don't say the N-word.

tower912

Nascar didn't have anything else to do, either.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

BrewCity83

The shaka sign, sometimes known as "hang loose", is a gesture of friendly intent often associated with Hawaii and surf culture.

Mr. Nielsen

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 14, 2020, 04:12:18 PM


Nope, I have zero tolerance for these type of people.  Plenty of other guys around that can drive in circles that don't say the N-word.
Guessing your not a fan of the movie, White Men Can't Jump.
If we are all thinking alike, we're not thinking at all. It's OK to disagree. Just don't be disagreeable.
-Bill Walton

JWags85

Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on April 14, 2020, 05:27:07 PM
Guessing your not a fan of the movie, White Men Can't Jump.

It was a hard R. No argument over "why do they say it and we can't" with the "a" or "ah" ending. That's never anything but derogatory and racially tinged.

I'm with Hards. If he dropped it so freely here, he routinely and likely frequently says it otherwise

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on April 14, 2020, 05:27:07 PM
Guessing your not a fan of the movie, White Men Can't Jump.

You should continue to make excuses for racism.  It's a really good look.

Pakuni

Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on April 14, 2020, 05:27:07 PM
Guessing your not a fan of the movie, White Men Can't Jump.

One of these things is not like the other ...

Mr. Nielsen

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 14, 2020, 10:45:38 PM
You should continue to make excuses for racism.  It's a really good look.
That is what you took out of that. Interesting.  :-\
If we are all thinking alike, we're not thinking at all. It's OK to disagree. Just don't be disagreeable.
-Bill Walton

MU82

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 14, 2020, 04:12:18 PM
Nope, I have zero tolerance for these type of people.  Plenty of other guys around that can drive in circles that don't say the N-word.

So you believe anybody who has ever used a racial or ethnic epithet in public, in their entire lives, is completely unredeemable and should be shunned for the rest of their days on Earth?

I have been accused (erroneously) many times of being a lib on this and other forums, of being PC and overly sensitive to racial situations, but I have to disagree with that opinion.

Most people deserve second chances IMHO.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on April 14, 2020, 05:27:07 PM
Guessing your not a fan of the movie, White Men Can't Jump.

Bringing up a 28 year old movie is such a middle-aged, white guy move.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Marquette Gyros

Quote from: MU82 on April 15, 2020, 07:46:24 AM
So you believe anybody who has ever used a racial or ethnic epithet in public, in their entire lives, is completely unredeemable and should be shunned for the rest of their days on Earth?

I have been accused (erroneously) many times of being a lib on this and other forums, of being PC and overly sensitive to racial situations, but I have to disagree with that opinion.

Most people deserve second chances IMHO.

+1. Dude is 27 years old. What do you want him to do now, kill himself?

https://www.amazon.com/So-Youve-Been-Publicly-Shamed/dp/1594634017 is a great read for those stuck in quarantine for a few more weeks like all of us.

Mr. Nielsen

#15
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 15, 2020, 07:53:34 AM
Bringing up a 28 year old movie is such a middle-aged, white guy move.
So, were bringing up age and race, do you have a point?
If we are all thinking alike, we're not thinking at all. It's OK to disagree. Just don't be disagreeable.
-Bill Walton

The Sultan

\_(ツ)_/

Of course he isn't unredeemable, but when you are in a public position and sponsored by a company, you are going to be fired.  And it may take awhile to get back.  And you may have to find something else to do with your life.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on April 15, 2020, 08:02:35 AM
Your point is?

That it is predictably hilarious.  People have been using that movie title for decades as if it is some sort of way of leveling the racial epithet playing field.

At least you didn't use the other go to "hey they get to say it in rap songs" line.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Mr. Nielsen

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 15, 2020, 08:04:47 AM
That it is predictably hilarious.  People have been using that movie title for decades as if it is some sort of way of leveling the racial epithet playing field.

At least you didn't use the other go to "hey they get to say it in rap songs" line.

I hope you are not saying that's ok. Yet, we never hear an uproar over that.
If we are all thinking alike, we're not thinking at all. It's OK to disagree. Just don't be disagreeable.
-Bill Walton

The Sultan

Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on April 15, 2020, 08:07:36 AM
I hope you are not saying that's ok. Yet, we never hear an uproar over that.

LOL.

You couldn't be a bigger archetype if you tried.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

JWags85

Quote from: MU82 on April 15, 2020, 07:46:24 AM
So you believe anybody who has ever used a racial or ethnic epithet in public, in their entire lives, is completely unredeemable and should be shunned for the rest of their days on Earth?

I have been accused (erroneously) many times of being a lib on this and other forums, of being PC and overly sensitive to racial situations, but I have to disagree with that opinion.

Most people deserve second chances IMHO.

I certainly don't subscribe to "cancel" culture and don't think Larson should be exiled forever. However, this doesn't smack of an isolated accident. This wasn't a teen saying something dumb on Twitter, and it wasn't the heat of battle. It was casually dropping maybe THE most inflammatory word in a random online stream. Which to me shows a concerning level of comfort and familiarity with its use.

That's what I imagine will weigh on people as they look into giving him another ride. People can change and make amends, and that's deserving of another try. But I can totally understand why people don't chalk this up to a simple accident or isolated mistake

Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on April 15, 2020, 08:07:36 AM
I hope you are not saying that's ok. Yet, we never hear an uproar over that.

Do you have any AA friends? Like true close friends, not an acquaintance or someone you work with? Ask them the difference between another AA saying the word with a soft "A" in a song and a white guy dropping a hard "R" in a less than positive fashion. If you can notice a difference, you are being willfully ignorant to push a "it's just words" agenda. Though I imagine you probably find all hip hop to be bothersome for many reasons

Mr. Nielsen

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 15, 2020, 08:12:04 AM
LOL.

You couldn't be a bigger archetype if you tried.
Did the cat get you tongue. This isn't about me. I know the rules.
If we are all thinking alike, we're not thinking at all. It's OK to disagree. Just don't be disagreeable.
-Bill Walton

The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

Quote from: JWags85 on April 15, 2020, 08:13:25 AM
I certainly don't subscribe to "cancel" culture and don't think Larson should be exiled forever. However, this doesn't smack of an isolated accident. This wasn't a teen saying something dumb on Twitter, and it wasn't the heat of battle. It was casually dropping maybe THE most inflammatory word in a random online stream. Which to me shows a concerning level of comfort and familiarity with its use.

That's what I imagine will weigh on people as they look into giving him another ride. People can change and make amends, and that's deserving of another try. But I can totally understand why people don't chalk this up to a simple accident or isolated mistake

I agree with all of this, and I'm not saying I'd hire him tomorrow for anything. But I am saying that if he somehow can prove he has changed, he deserves a second chance.

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 15, 2020, 08:03:01 AM
Of course he isn't unredeemable, but when you are in a public position and sponsored by a company, you are going to be fired.  And it may take awhile to get back.  And you may have to find something else to do with your life.

Yes, actions (and words) have consequences. And he is experiencing those consequences now. You are right that he might have to find something else to do, but I, for one, hope that he can humbly, honestly show he has redeemed himself and that he gets another chance in his chosen profession.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 15, 2020, 08:03:01 AM
\_(ツ)_/

Of course he isn't unredeemable, but when you are in a public position and sponsored by a company, you are going to be fired.  And it may take awhile to get back.  And you may have to find something else to do with your life.

This. 

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