Vaccine/Antibody updates

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I think the six months item is for the vulnerable/compromised.  For example they are finding that those that are treated with many common arthritis medications did not get as big of a boost from the second shot as others. 

I've seen someone describe this as potentially dosing learning versus needing a regular 'boost'.  But who knows yet since we are in the middle of learning. 

Also it comes down to what is your goal for prevention which didn't seem important 9 months ago but is now (infection or severe infection, etc).

[Dr. Blackheart]

While we are preoccupied with the efficacy news, this article puts it in perspective. 99.5+% of the recent new positives are among the non-fully vaccinated, and few are in the hospital or have died who are fully vaxed.

Before boosters, get the under 12 trials done (some pediatrician groups are saying a four month trial can be safely reduced to two).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-12/how-vaccines-are-affecting-california-covid-19-case-rates%3f_amp=true

[Billy Hoyle]

only 27% of young Black New Yorkers are vaccinated.  I guess blame for the reemergence isn't just confined to the MAGA and Q idiots. Real Horseshow Effect here too with the comments.

"Since when does America give anything good to Black people first?" said the activist, Hawk Newsome, a 44-year-old Black Lives Matter leader who is unvaccinated.

"They're experimenting on us," said Knya White, 21, of Canarsie, Brooklyn, a predominantly Black neighborhood.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-black-young-new-yorkers.html

[MU82]

only 27% of young Black New Yorkers are vaccinated.  I guess blame for the reemergence isn't just confined to the MAGA and Q idiots. Real Horseshow Effect here too with the comments.

"Since when does America give anything good to Black people first?" said the activist, Hawk Newsome, a 44-year-old Black Lives Matter leader who is unvaccinated.

"They're experimenting on us," said Knya White, 21, of Canarsie, Brooklyn, a predominantly Black neighborhood.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-black-young-new-yorkers.html

That sucks. I wish it weren't the case.

But again, nationwide, white evangelicals are the most resistant group. And again, Republicans, especially those who consider themselves Trump followers, are far less likely to be vaccinated than Independents or Democrats. Which is especially crazy because their hero has been vaccinated and, after some prodding, he did finally urge his followers to get the vaccine that he actually worked to bring to fruition.

[JWags85]

I wonder if Mike goes more than 4 hours without posting a "mad king", "their/your hero", "treasonous traitors" or some other catchy Trump supporter alliteration, or the like...if he starts to get the shakes 

[MU82]

I wonder if Mike goes more than 4 hours without posting a "mad king", "their/your hero", "treasonous traitors" or some other catchy Trump supporter alliteration, or the like...if he starts to get the shakes 

I could use a shake. There's a place near us that makes great peanut butter shakes!

[rocket surgeon]

I wonder if Mike goes more than 4 hours without posting a "mad king", "their/your hero", "treasonous traitors" or some other catchy Trump supporter alliteration, or the like...if he starts to get the shakes 

seriously and did he forget(evidently) that #45 was the one who pushed operation warp speed??  the development of multiple vaccines!! from which came 2, maybe 3 depending on who's counting.  the feat that all the "experts" said couldn't be done??  while the "others" were saying they wouldn't get it because #45 was behind it, they didn't trust it, etc etc

"Also it comes down to what is your goal for prevention which didn't seem important 9 months ago but is now (infection or severe infection, etc)."

  i am assuming you don't mean me personally.  we, as a world, need to come down hard on china.  speaking of reparations, this was nasty evil.  now the cover up is as bad as the crime.  this cannot happen again. china could have prevented this from becoming a pandemic

[The Sultan]

seriously and did he forget(evidently) that #45 was the one who pushed operation warp speed??  the development of multiple vaccines!! from which came 2, maybe 3 depending on who's counting.  the feat that all the "experts" said couldn't be done??  while the "others" were saying they wouldn't get it because #45 was behind it, they didn't trust it, etc etc

"Also it comes down to what is your goal for prevention which didn't seem important 9 months ago but is now (infection or severe infection, etc)."

  i am assuming you don't mean me personally.  we, as a world, need to come down hard on china.  speaking of reparations, this was nasty evil.  now the cover up is as bad as the crime.  this cannot happen again. china could have prevented this from becoming a pandemic

Vaccines don't really do much good if a significant portion of the population won't take them and businesses are disincentivized from mandating them.

[rocket surgeon]

Vaccines don't really do much good if a significant portion of the population won't take them and businesses are disincentivized from mandating them.

this is news to me, but i'm all ears here.  what about those who've already had and recovered?  what's significant?  approx 48% or 160 million have been fully vaccinated.  now add those who have had and recovered.  yes, i understand there will be some crossover.  vaccines prevent illness in many cases and diminish severity in most others. 

so back to my question-what's significant?   

[The Sultan]

this is news to me, but i'm all ears here.  what about those who've already had and recovered?  what's significant?  approx 48% or 160 million have been fully vaccinated.  now add those who have had and recovered.  yes, i understand there will be some crossover.  vaccines prevent illness in many cases and diminish severity in most others. 

so back to my question-what's significant?   

No. People who had and recovered aren't  as protected as the vaccinated. This has been stated multiple times here, and exactly why the CDC is recommending vaccination.

Significant is a lot more than we have now.

[rocket surgeon]

No. People who had and recovered aren't  as protected as the vaccinated. This has been stated multiple times here, and exactly why the CDC is recommending vaccination.

Significant is a lot more than we have now.

i understand it may have been stated here multiple times-doesn't mean it is correct.  i've read natural is better, but i can agreee the jury is still out.  they don't know enough yet which is very understandable as some of what we used to think was fact has been replaced by new, updated data.  it is going to be some time before a standard will be developed

how much more?  it used to be...flatten the curve...then it became-when we get a vaccine...

[The Sultan]

i understand it may have been stated here multiple times-doesn't mean it is correct.  i've read natural is better, but i can agreee the jury is still out.  they don't know enough yet which is very understandable as some of what we used to think was fact has been replaced by new, updated data.  it is going to be some time before a standard will be developed

how much more?  it used to be...flatten the curve...then it became-when we get a vaccine...

We haven't flattened the curve in places like Texas and Florida. Fueled by the unvaccinated.

Anyway I trust the CDC more than a dentist using Google.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_w

[rocket surgeon]

We haven't flattened the curve in places like Texas and Florida. Fueled by the unvaccinated.

Anyway I trust the CDC more than a dentist using Google.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm?s_cid=mm7032e1_w

i've got a degree in biology with a heavy concentration on microbio plus dental school and all the bio that included-i think i know a little bit, but i am open.  all due respect to your profession, but i think i'm a tick ahead of a college admin guy though

the cdc has shown time after time to be polluted and untrustworthy- they have made A LOT of mistakes

[TSmith34, Inc.]

i've got a degree in biology with a heavy concentration on microbio plus dental school and all the bio that included-i think i know a little bit, but i am open.  all due respect to your profession, but i think i'm a tick ahead of a college admin guy though

the cdc has shown time after time to be polluted and untrustworthy- they have made A LOT of mistakes

This must be why you've stated that we really don't need peer reviewed studies, your "health care professional" background.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Oh oh, the former guy is going to be very, very angry at his hand-picked, ramrodded through SCOTUS pick.

Coronavirus: Supreme Court's Barrett rejects challenge to Indiana University's vaccination mandate - as it happened
https://www.ft.com/content/0fc81133-3c8f-4b59-bc95-4ea79d5fca8f

[rocket surgeon]

This must be why you've stated that we really don't need peer reviewed studies, your "health care professional" background.

i'm really sick and tired of your bullchit smith- go f@*c yourself

[TSmith34, Inc.]

i'm really sick and tired of your bullchit smith- go f@*c yourself

It's exactly what you said. I guess I am a bad, bad man for using your actual words. Very unfair of me.

[Pakuni]

Oh oh, the former guy is going to be very, very angry at his hand-picked, ramrodded through SCOTUS pick.

Coronavirus: Supreme Court's Barrett rejects challenge to Indiana University's vaccination mandate - as it happened
https://www.ft.com/content/0fc81133-3c8f-4b59-bc95-4ea79d5fca8f

They mad.

@EmeraldRobinson:
Amy Commie Barrett.

[MU82]

seriously and did he forget(evidently) that #45 was the one who pushed operation warp speed??

Here is what I said:

Which is especially crazy because their hero has been vaccinated and, after some prodding, he did finally urge his followers to get the vaccine that he actually worked to bring to fruition.

I guess you don't have a degree in reading, because I literally gave your lord and master credit.

I mean, your boy totally effed up just about everything else regarding the pandemic, which is a big reason why 500K Americans died on his watch. But yes, I'm happy he found the time between playing golf, throwing superspreader rallies and fomenting insurrections to push for Operation Warp Speed.

[JWags85]

They mad.

@EmeraldRobinson:
Amy Commie Barrett.

You expected anything reasonable from Newsmax?

[Jockey]

Oh oh, the former guy is going to be very, very angry at his hand-picked, ramrodded through SCOTUS pick.

Coronavirus: Supreme Court's Barrett rejects challenge to Indiana University's vaccination mandate - as it happened
https://www.ft.com/content/0fc81133-3c8f-4b59-bc95-4ea79d5fca8f

Especially because she ruled the way a conservative would.

[MU82]

San Francisco announces strict requirements barring the unvaccinated from indoor spaces.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/12/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210812&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=66118&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa#san-francisco-announces-strict-requirements-barring-the-unvaccinated-from-indoor-spaces

San Francisco leaders on Thursday unveiled some of the nation's toughest restrictions on unvaccinated people, barring them from indoor dining, bars, nightclubs, gyms, large concerts, theaters and other events held inside. The new rules, which take effect on Aug. 20, would apply even to people who can show they have tested negative for the coronavirus.

"This is an important step towards our recovery," Mayor London Breed said during a briefing announcing the new requirements. "We all have to do our part. We need to get vaccinated."

[rocky_warrior]

i've read natural is better

Surprised you're in actual dentistry then, and not just homeopathic dentistry.  Because "I've read nature is better".

[JWags85]

San Francisco announces strict requirements barring the unvaccinated from indoor spaces.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/12/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210812&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=108420427&segment_id=66118&user_id=d36dcf821462fdd16ec3636710a855fa#san-francisco-announces-strict-requirements-barring-the-unvaccinated-from-indoor-spaces

San Francisco leaders on Thursday unveiled some of the nation's toughest restrictions on unvaccinated people, barring them from indoor dining, bars, nightclubs, gyms, large concerts, theaters and other events held inside. The new rules, which take effect on Aug. 20, would apply even to people who can show they have tested negative for the coronavirus.

"This is an important step towards our recovery," Mayor London Breed said during a briefing announcing the new requirements. "We all have to do our part. We need to get vaccinated."

However, unvaccinated and vaccinated alike are still welcomed to defecate on any and all public sidewalks

[The Sultan]

i've got a degree in biology with a heavy concentration on microbio plus dental school and all the bio that included-i think i know a little bit, but i am open.  all due respect to your profession, but i think i'm a tick ahead of a college admin guy though

No I am simply smart enough to realize my limitations.  That's why I leave it to experts....and you are not one.

the cdc has shown time after time to be polluted and untrustworthy- they have made A LOT of mistakes

They have made some, but they have been right WAY more than they've been wrong.  And right WAAYYY more than you've been for the past 18 months.