Vaccine/Antibody updates

[pacearrow02]

If you lower yourself to their bat crap level, what exactly have you accomplished in the big picture and what have you done to yourself? Be the difference.   Virtue for virtue's sake.

Ok Tower, you're the perfect picture of virtue.  You've been equally nasty on this board as Jockey, TSmith, etc..

Practice what you preach.

[tower912]

Only to you.   For very specific reasons.   

[pacearrow02]

Only to you.   For very specific reasons.

Ahh, as long as it's only directed at me then it's ok.

[SERocks]

Ahh, as long as it's only directed at me then it's ok.

We should start a poll but I suspect a lot would agree.

[tower912]

Ahh, as long as it's only directed at me then it's ok.

I assumed you were Chico's.    If you are, then I don't owe you an apology.   If you aren't, I apologize for wrongly assuming you were Chico.   But you were still wrong about the virus.       Although this martyrdom thing tilts the scale toward Chico. 

[pacearrow02]

I assumed you were Chico's.    If you are, then I don't owe you an apology.   If you aren't, I apologize for wrongly assuming you were Chico.   But your were still wrong about the virus.       Although this martyrdom thing tilts the scale toward Chico.

Like I've said before.  I'm not Chico

[MU82]

What's a chicos?

[wadesworld]

Like I've said before.  I'm not Chico

Hoopaloop, then?

[Jockey]

Sad.

[MU82]

Largest hospital system in the southeast cancels some employees' COVID-19 vaccinations because of reports that some jumped ahead in line.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article248078950.html?ac_cid=DM350921&ac_bid=-1049799944

Some at Atrium Health who were scheduled to get their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine next month will be delayed, following a controversy this week over non-medical employees being included in the first phase of vaccine distribution.

Officials at Atrium told the Observer on Thursday as many as 97 employees will have vaccination appointments canceled. Based on North Carolina health officials' vaccine guidance published in October, those first in line should be "healthcare workers and medical first responders who are at high risk of exposure based on work duties or who are vital to the initial COVID-19 vaccine distribution."

"I can assure you that the only people who have received vaccines by Atrium Health were categorized by (Phase) 1a..." Dr. Scott Rissmiller, Atrium's executive vice president and chief physician executive, told the Observer. "The key is to get those most at risk and those who are on the frontlines risking their lives for the community. We get the vaccine to them so they can care for those who need it as others are waiting."

FYI, my wife is a pediatric RN at this hospital. She does not directly work with COVID-19 patients most of the time. She is part of the hospital's third group scheduled to get the vaccine. Her appointment for the first injection is for 2 weeks from now.

[forgetful]

Largest hospital system in the southeast cancels some employees' COVID-19 vaccinations because of reports that some jumped ahead in line.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article248078950.html?ac_cid=DM350921&ac_bid=-1049799944

Some at Atrium Health who were scheduled to get their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine next month will be delayed, following a controversy this week over non-medical employees being included in the first phase of vaccine distribution.

Officials at Atrium told the Observer on Thursday as many as 97 employees will have vaccination appointments canceled. Based on North Carolina health officials' vaccine guidance published in October, those first in line should be "healthcare workers and medical first responders who are at high risk of exposure based on work duties or who are vital to the initial COVID-19 vaccine distribution."

"I can assure you that the only people who have received vaccines by Atrium Health were categorized by (Phase) 1a..." Dr. Scott Rissmiller, Atrium's executive vice president and chief physician executive, told the Observer. "The key is to get those most at risk and those who are on the frontlines risking their lives for the community. We get the vaccine to them so they can care for those who need it as others are waiting."

FYI, my wife is a pediatric RN at this hospital. She does not directly work with COVID-19 patients most of the time. She is part of the hospital's third group scheduled to get the vaccine. Her appointment for the first injection is for 2 weeks from now.

Not this hospital, but I know a bunch of health care workers from around the country that never see patients, and work from home, magically already haven got the vaccine.

Also, even some family members of health care workers.

[GooooMarquette]

Not this hospital, but I know a bunch of health care workers from around the country that never see patients, and work from home, magically already haven got the vaccine.

Also, even some family members of health care workers.

Yep. And on the flip side, health care workers with direct patient contact are waiting longer because of this and other line-jumpers or distribution issues. I know a few who have been told their appointments have been pushed back because of a variety of issues.

Disappointing, but not terribly surprising.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

My wife got an email today that she is vaccine eligible now as a teacher.  The email said teachers have been named as front line workers.  Email gave a list of places she can go receive. 
I thought teachers were farther down the line and I don't know if this is a Connecticut thing.

[Marquette Fan]

My wife got an email today that she is vaccine eligible now as a teacher.  The email said teachers have been named as front line workers.  Email gave a list of places she can go receive. 
I thought teachers were farther down the line and I don't know if this is a Connecticut thing.

I know there was some talk of wanting this designation for Wisconsin teachers so they could get vaccines sooner but I don't think anything has happened here for that yet.

[forgetful]

My wife got an email today that she is vaccine eligible now as a teacher.  The email said teachers have been named as front line workers.  Email gave a list of places she can go receive. 
I thought teachers were farther down the line and I don't know if this is a Connecticut thing.

Depends on the state. Some states have given them priority after police/fireman etc.

Some are giving them zero priority.

Some don't even give police/fireman a priority (absolutely ridiculous).

The CDC only gives guidance, and they guided that teachers should be a priority, states decide what they will actually do.

[tower912]

Wait, there isn't a coherent national strategy?

[GooooMarquette]

My wife got an email today that she is vaccine eligible now as a teacher.  The email said teachers have been named as front line workers.  Email gave a list of places she can go receive. 
I thought teachers were farther down the line and I don't know if this is a Connecticut thing.

There is talk of doing that in MN, but I am not sure if they made an official decision. My wife will definitely get one if it's allowed.

[Jockey]

Wait, there isn't a coherent national strategy?

trump is working on it this weekend. IF he has time after he gets off the golf course.

[Lennys Tap]

Wait, there isn't a coherent national strategy?

Up to the states to plan/carry out distribution. And that's the way it should be. One size doesn't fit all. In Florida, the governor has moved the priority cut off from 75 to 65. We have a lot of seniors here and he (reasonably IMO) thinks a 74 year old (or a 66 year old) should get it before a healthy 24 year old who works in a grocery store. Slight departure from guidelines I've seen but given Florida's demographic it makes sense.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Up to the states to plan/carry out distribution. And that's the way it should be. One size doesn't fit all. In Florida, the governor has moved the priority cut off from 75 to 65. We have a lot of seniors here and he (reasonably IMO) thinks a 74 year old (or a 66 year old) should get it before a healthy 24 year old who works in a grocery store. Slight departure from guidelines I've seen but given Florida's demographic it makes sense.

Why does he believe this.  Does he have better information?

[wadesworld]

Up to the states to plan/carry out distribution. And that's the way it should be. One size doesn't fit all. In Florida, the governor has moved the priority cut off from 75 to 65. We have a lot of seniors here and he (reasonably IMO) thinks a 74 year old (or a 66 year old) should get it before a healthy 24 year old who works in a grocery store. Slight departure from guidelines I've seen but given Florida's demographic it makes sense.

What makes the 74 (or 66) year old in Montana any less at risk than the 74 (or 66) year old in Florida? Or the 24 year old grocery store worker in Montana any more at risk than the 24 year old grocery worker in Florida? Seems like that would be something that fits all the states.

[Lennys Tap]

Why does he believe this.  Does he have better information?

I assume he has the same information as the CDC - just a little more common sense. That information shows that Covid is most lethal to those 75+. Next at greatest risk are those 65-74. So, after long term care facility workers and staff, health care workers with direct patient contact and people hospitals deem extremely vulnerable to Covid 19 are vaccinated it goes to the general population. Here, that will be seniors 65+ (rather than those 75+) followed by those deemed essential workers (firemen, school teachers, grocery clerks, etc). If the object is less deaths, moving the 65-74 group up in priority certainly makes sense. He's an "essential worker", of course, but will wait in line until the most vulnerable have been served. Good for him.

[Warriors4ever]

The cynic in me believes that DeSantis is only concerned with how the seniors vote. The fact that he made this announcement in The Villages is very telling.

[Lennys Tap]

What makes the 74 (or 66) year old in Montana any less at risk than the 74 (or 66) year old in Florida? Or the 24 year old grocery store worker in Montana any more at risk than the 24 year old grocery worker in Florida? Seems like that would be something that fits all the states.

Good point, Wades. The Florida plan makes more sense in all states, but given our population it will save more lives (by sheer numbers and %) here than most other places. So, even more essential in Florida than Montana would be a better way to put it.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I assume he has the same information as the CDC - just a little more common sense. That information shows that Covid is most lethal to those 75+. Next at greatest risk are those 65-74. So, after long term care facility workers and staff, health care workers with direct patient contact and people hospitals deem extremely vulnerable to Covid 19 are vaccinated it goes to the general population. Here, that will be seniors 65+ (rather than those 75+) followed by those deemed essential workers (firemen, school teachers, grocery clerks, etc). If the object is less deaths, moving the 65-74 group up in priority certainly makes sense. He's an "essential worker", of course, but will wait in line until the most vulnerable have been served. Good for him.

So he's smarter or has better judgement than the cdc in your opinion. Look I am not debating order. Everyone has to determine the rollout thanks to our system. But to exalt a governor points to something unclear as to why FL is different.