Navy ship / COVID

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Eh ... 14 days is on the very far edge of the incubation period. The median is about 5 days, and  symptoms appear within 11 days for 98 percent of cases.
Certainly it's not unreasonable to suggest that had Crozier's requests been taken seriously from the onset (he wrote his letter March 30), there would be fewer ill sailors from the carrier's crew today.
How many less seems impossible to know, but we know that social distancing and similar measures help, so it seems almost certain.

That's not really the same argument I was making.

[GooooMarquette]

That's not really the same argument I was making.

A ~14-day incubation period certainly means that the numbers of confirmed cases will eventually grow among people who were in contact with infected individuals while they were contagious. But the sooner you get people separated (Capt. Crosier's goal), the fewer people you'll have in contact with infected individuals while they're contagious.

So yeah, the 95 cases were inevitably going to grow...but maybe not to 550 by now....

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

A ~14-day incubation period certainly means that the numbers of confirmed cases will eventually grow among people who were in contact with infected individuals while they were contagious. But the sooner you get people separated (Capt. Crosier's goal), the fewer people you'll have in contact with infected individuals while they're contagious.

So yeah, the 95 cases were inevitably going to grow...but maybe not to 550 by now....

Again not my point. Removing him as captain caused nothing.

[GooooMarquette]

Again not my point. Removing him as captain caused nothing.

Correct. They removed him as captain and did nothing, which caused no abatement in the spread. So the removal caused a continuation of the nothing that the Navy was doing. If they had kept him as captain and heeded his requests to debark and isolate, that would have caused something - a lessening of the spread.

[Jockey]

Nope.  The virus would have spread regardless if he would have been fired or not.

Stick to facts.  Not talking points.

Hey, I just said in plain English that I wasn't talking about the virus or spread of the virus. I was talking ONLY about the way the captain was treated.

It's really pretty easy to read this and know what I meant. If you want to argue, find someone else.

[Jockey]

Again not my point. Removing him as captain caused nothing.

Again, my point was not that removing him would have affected how many cases there were. But I suspect you know that.

[Pakuni]

Again not my point. Removing him as captain caused nothing.

It's fair to say the bigger issue here was ignoring him than removing him, but the removal is  symptomatic of a mindset that values all the wrong things at the expense of what's important.
And certainly that mindset has existed within the Pentagon long before the current CINC was around.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Hey, I just said in plain English that I wasn't talking about the virus or spread of the virus. I was talking ONLY about the way the captain was treated.

It's really pretty easy to read this and know what I meant. If you want to argue, find someone else.

Write better. I can’t help it that you communicate poorly.

[Jockey]

Write better. I can’t help it that you communicate poorly.

And you just continue your chico-esque posting. Twist anyone's words so you can argue just for the sake of argument.

[#UnleashSean]

And you just continue your chico-esque posting. Twist anyone's words so you can argue just for the sake of argument.

Not gunna lie, you do the same thing.

[GooooMarquette]

Hey Modly, Crozier - knock it off!

(Sorry - couldn't help myself.)

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

They had their first death. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sailor-from-uss-theodore-roosevelt-dies-from-covid-19-11586783549

[Jockey]

Not gunna lie, you do the same thing.

I probably do - although not purposely. And I try to apologize if I am called out.

An example? You posted that there was shortage of PPE in Wisconsin. I replied asking if you were calling hospital admins and doctors lying. I was wrong - I should have questioned what you said - based on exactly what you said - by simply pointing out that hospitals in Wisconsin were complaining of PPE shortages while you said there were none. Though not to absolve you entirely. You made a statement based on anecdotal experience and applied it to all hospitals in Wisconsin.

but, all in all, your point is well taken.

[tower912]

Thoughts and prayers to the family of the heroic sailor and his/her crewmates.

[Pakuni]

He's back??

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/us/politics/coronavirus-navy-roosevelt-crozier.html

[MU82]

He's back??

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/us/politics/coronavirus-navy-roosevelt-crozier.html

That's good stuff, but I fear Crozier might have been too guilty of doing the right thing for this administration's liking.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

I guess this is why you get the facts first.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/uss-theodore-roosevelt-outbreak-is-linked-to-flight-crews-not-vietnam-visit-11586981891

[forgetful]

That's good stuff, but I fear Crozier might have been too guilty of doing the right thing for this administration's liking.

Whistleblowers punished by party leaders for trying to save lives. Hmm, where have we seen that before.

[GooooMarquette]

Navy leaders recommend reinstating the Roosevelt captain fired over a virus warning.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/us/coronavirus-us-usa-updates.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20200424&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=88591053&segment_id=25921&user_id=a4394b6a5672354a123af665691a6f2d#link-4f099d98

Still needs approval by Secretary of Defense.