Author Topic: Senate and WH Agree on Terms of Stimulus Package (Read 59372 times)

Frenns Liquor Depot · « **Reply #325 on:** June 11, 2020, 01:46:30 PM »

Quote from: JWags85 on June 11, 2020, 01:16:35 PM

I’m not saying that Trump and company haven’t earned this level of suspicion and mistrust, but this feels like a financial witch hunt more than a general oversight concern

Everything is going to feel that way and it's only going to intensify.

There are things though that i feel are shared truths--it shouldn't be controversial in my mind. Corporate bailouts need to be public. Lobbying has already corrupted our system so much that you do have to dig to find out what legislation benefits an interest. If you now start giving my cash to a company, it just needs to be public.

Hards Alumni · « **Reply #326 on:** June 11, 2020, 01:48:31 PM »

Quote from: Pakuni on June 11, 2020, 01:42:10 PM

Wags ... this has nothing to do with Trump. It's Civics 101. It's no different than your local school board needing to disclose teacher salaries or the county government disclosing where it's buying road salt. It's a fundamental principle of open government.

It's really shocking that anyone is arguing that the business interests of a private company arer more important than the public's long-established right to know how its money is being used.
Again, nobody is requiring these companies to take our money. But if they want it, we get to know they're getting it.

Our private company took PPP money, and I'm fine with anyone knowing that. We took care of our employees in a time of crisis for a minimal amount of work.

Skatastrophy · « **Reply #327 on:** June 11, 2020, 02:48:18 PM »

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 11, 2020, 01:48:31 PM

Our private company took PPP money, and I'm fine with anyone knowing that. We took care of our employees in a time of crisis for a minimal amount of work.

+1, my company decided not to take it assuming it would become public that we didn't really need it. Even though it would have been nice to get a couple of months of payroll for free.

I wouldn't make a different decision knowing what I know now. But I would like to see a few companies shamed in giving the money back to taxpayers instead of lining their own pockets. There are a lot of companies/individuals that could use the funds. This thing isn't even close to over yet.

shoothoops · « **Reply #328 on:** June 15, 2020, 10:44:56 PM »

https://www.propublica.org/article/this-treasury-official-is-running-the-bailout-its-been-great-for-his-family?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

jesmu84 · « **Reply #329 on:** June 16, 2020, 10:36:39 AM »

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/16/congress-small-business-loan-320625

The public has a right to know where their money is going

warriorchick · « **Reply #330 on:** June 16, 2020, 06:11:02 PM »

Quote from: jesmu84 on June 16, 2020, 10:36:39 AM

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/16/congress-small-business-loan-320625

The public has a right to know where their money is going

So why can't I go online and find out which of my neighbors get SNAP or Medicaid?

jesmu84 · « **Reply #331 on:** June 16, 2020, 06:17:14 PM »

Quote from: warriorchick on June 16, 2020, 06:11:02 PM

So why can't I go online and find out which of my neighbors get SNAP or Medicaid?

Fair.

How about anyone/org who took >$500k needs to be made public?

reinko · « **Reply #332 on:** June 16, 2020, 06:20:32 PM »

Quote from: warriorchick on June 16, 2020, 06:11:02 PM

So why can't I go online and find out which of my neighbors get SNAP or Medicaid?

Congrats WC, you win the Whataboutism Award for June 16th, 2020.

warriorchick · « **Reply #333 on:** June 16, 2020, 06:27:25 PM »

Quote from: reinko on June 16, 2020, 06:20:32 PM

Congrats WC, you win the Whataboutism Award for June 16th, 2020.

I was not saying "what about". jes said that the public has a right to know where their money was going, and I pointed out an example of where they don't.

shoothoops · « **Reply #334 on:** June 16, 2020, 06:58:15 PM »

Quote from: warriorchick on June 16, 2020, 06:27:25 PM

I was not saying "what about". jes said that the public has a right to know where their money was going, and I pointed out an example of where they don't.

It is exactly whataboutism. It's I'll take false moral equivalencies and deflecting accountability for 100 Alex.

It's in the family of gaslighting, pre-emptive inverted accusations, etc...

The topic is show us where the $600 billion plus went, including the several hundred wealthy publicly traded companies among others.

Here is a solid John Oliver video from 2017 that can help with whataboutism.

https://youtu.be/1ZAPwfrtAFY

mu_hilltopper · « **Reply #335 on:** June 17, 2020, 08:31:40 AM »

Shoothoops - not every example of something similar is "whataboutism."

shoothoops · « **Reply #336 on:** June 17, 2020, 09:40:43 AM »

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on June 17, 2020, 08:31:40 AM

Shoothoops - not every example of something similar is "whataboutism."

I didn't say it was but I did say her post was, yes, because that is my opinion.

We're talking about wealthy businesses, corporations and people receiving large sums of money during this time, while many others aren't. And the response is what about low income SNAP and Medicaid? Really? Really? Interesting choice there. At minimum, the disconnect is enormous.

Again, show us the $600 billion recipients.

shoothoops · « **Reply #337 on:** June 19, 2020, 06:42:20 PM »

This is a start. Now it needs to be online, searchable, and regularly updated:

https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/1274105538511429634?s=19

shoothoops · « **Reply #338 on:** July 06, 2020, 07:42:23 PM »

The Ayn Rand Institute received a PPP loan between $350k and $1 million.

https://twitter.com/PatFitzgerald23/status/1280217058677084160?s=19

The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole · « **Reply #339 on:** July 06, 2020, 07:49:43 PM »

Quote from: shoothoops on July 06, 2020, 07:42:23 PM

The Ayn Rand Institute received a PPP loan between $350k and $1 million.

https://twitter.com/PatFitzgerald23/status/1280217058677084160?s=19

Symbolic of so many things.

GB Warrior · « **Reply #340 on:** July 06, 2020, 07:59:18 PM »

Grover Norquist getting a PPP loan is a bit too on the nose. 2020 needs to go back to the drawing board for a more realistic storyline.

Jockey · « **Reply #341 on:** July 06, 2020, 08:33:20 PM »

Robin Vos got between $150,000-&350,000.

He is a guy who built his career by railing against government benefits.

No surprise.

pbiflyer · « **Reply #342 on:** July 06, 2020, 08:46:40 PM »

Quote from: warriorchick on June 16, 2020, 06:27:25 PM

I was not saying "what about". jes said that the public has a right to know where their money was going, and I pointed out an example of where they don't.

So, people are corporations too?