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BallBoy

Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 22, 2020, 03:16:43 PM
Ballboy trying to make this thread about his Johnson!  ProWojer's distorting reality is quite hilarious. 

Stan leaves with his West Coast pipeline and the ProWojer's are on the defensive now.  It's only a matter of time before the vortex of the toilet bowl sucks them in.  Meanwhile the ride on the side of the bowl has them dizzied.

I forget Junior High is out due to coronavirus so little MDDG is at the computer.

No one is defensive. Stan was a great assistant coach. Hopefully he does great as a head coach. Unlike you, the rest of us look at facts instead of junior high temper tantrums.  Fact - Stan wasn't on the staff when MU got its first MCD AA commit. Recruiting was good prior to Stan and it will continue after. 

I know Stan was your best hope of firing Wojo yet keeping the amazing class that has been pulled together at Marquette. I am sure you cried in your lucky charms when Stan left. I know in your mind you spun him up to be the greatest coach ever and savior of the program but he wasn't.  He was a very good assistant.

I am also keenly aware that all the players who you say sucked so badly and were cancers to the program where brought in by Stan. Weird, how you forget that in your glowing praise.

I also forgot who hired Stan into the program.

If you could actually say something smart, people might listen to your argument about why Wojo should be fired.

🏀

Quote from: pettyworld on March 22, 2020, 03:28:55 PM
The nojoers sounds like Chicos. Threads constantly getting derailed with the same comments in every thread. When called out about it, "it wasn't me! Those damn projoers just can't help themselves."

The innocent victims. Always. They never have any part in a thread going off topic. It's just the clueless nojoers.

Not to stereotype, but there's a lot this rhetoric going on in the world. They've been enabled.

Silent Verbal

Quote from: BallBoy on March 22, 2020, 04:10:47 PM
I forget Junior High is out due to coronavirus so little MDDG is at the computer.

No one is defensive. Stan was a great assistant coach. Hopefully he does great as a head coach. Unlike you, the rest of us look at facts instead of junior high temper tantrums.  Fact - Stan wasn't on the staff when MU got its first MCD AA commit. Recruiting was good prior to Stan and it will continue after. 

I know Stan was your best hope of firing Wojo yet keeping the amazing class that has been pulled together at Marquette. I am sure you cried in your lucky charms when Stan left. I know in your mind you spun him up to be the greatest coach ever and savior of the program but he wasn't.  He was a very good assistant.

I am also keenly aware that all the players who you say sucked so badly and were cancers to the program where brought in by Stan. Weird, how you forget that in your glowing praise.

I also forgot who hired Stan into the program.

If you could actually say something smart, people might listen to your argument about why Wojo should be fired.

We got our first McD's AA because we were willing to give three years of scholarship to his hack brother, who was at best a low major player.  Wojo didn't land Henry because of his great recruiting skills.  He landed him because he struck a deal with the Ellensons.

wadesworld

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 22, 2020, 08:40:14 PM
We got our first McD's AA because we were willing to give three years of scholarship to his hack brother, who was at best a low major player.  Wojo didn't land Henry because of his great recruiting skills.  He landed him because he struck a deal with the Ellensons.

Aka he had a recruiting strategy that worked...

Pakuni

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Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 22, 2020, 08:40:14 PM
We got our first McD's AA because we were willing to give three years of scholarship to his hack brother, who was at best a low major player.  Wojo didn't land Henry because of his great recruiting skills.  He landed him because he struck a deal with the Ellensons.

Uhh ... isn't that recruiting?

Seriously, some of the nojos have very good points.  It's unfortunate for them that those points get lost in the utterly insipid babble that dominates these discussions.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 21, 2020, 02:17:57 PM
What do you have against "Saint Stan?"  Share for us how you feel he failed the program and our university?

I don't believe he failed, but I don't believe he was infallible as he was made out to be. Assistants are more than just recruiting and so many were trying to pin the blame solely on Wojo while claiming Stan was some savior and if he were the head coach the team is winning the BE title. Classic back up quarterback thinking.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

BCHoopster

Stan did a good job recruiting West but is that really MU's recruiting area, to me, no. MU needs to recruit the Mideast and East.  Stan did a great job getting 4 kids to come East, if he could do that, that should be easy for him to recruit LA's kids to LMU.  Great campus, good luck Stan, hope you succeed.

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

Quote from: BCHoopster on March 23, 2020, 12:01:25 AM
Stan did a good job recruiting West but is that really MU's recruiting area, to me, no. MU needs to recruit the Mideast and East.  Stan did a great job getting 4 kids to come East, if he could do that, that should be easy for him to recruit LA's kids to LMU.  Great campus, good luck Stan, hope you succeed.
It's recruiting...

You want as big of a pipeline as you can get. 

Queue up ESPN 30 for 30  "How the West was Lost" - story of how Wojo's 5 game skid, sent Stan packing.

#UnleashSean

Quote from: pettyworld on March 22, 2020, 08:48:53 PM
Aka he had a recruiting strategy that worked...

Well "worked" is a bit of a stretch. I'd say it ended in disaster

jesmu84

Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on March 23, 2020, 01:52:30 AM
It's recruiting...

You want as big of a pipeline as you can get. 

Queue up ESPN 30 for 30  "How the West was Lost" - story of how Wojo's 5 game skid, sent Stan packing.

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The Sultan

Quote from: #UnleashJayce on March 23, 2020, 05:40:21 AM
Well "worked" is a bit of a stretch. I'd say it ended in disaster

A "disaster?"  We landed the BE top freshman.

You mean how Wally left?  Who cares?  He wasn't very good and we didn't miss him.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

WarriorDad

Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 22, 2020, 08:40:14 PM
We got our first McD's AA because we were willing to give three years of scholarship to his hack brother, who was at best a low major player.  Wojo didn't land Henry because of his great recruiting skills.  He landed him because he struck a deal with the Ellensons.

At best a low major player?

He was a consensus 3 star recruit and played at a Big Ten program.  He received offers from other high major programs in P6 conferences.
"No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth."
— Plato

The Sultan

Quote from: WarriorDad on March 23, 2020, 08:14:14 AM
At best a low major player?

He was a consensus 3 star recruit and played at a Big Ten program.  He received offers from other high major programs in P6 conferences.


Counterpint:  everyone could see he wasn't very good. 
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

WarriorDad

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 23, 2020, 08:20:54 AM

Counterpint:  everyone could see he wasn't very good.

Why was he a 3 star rated player?

https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Wally-Ellenson-24000/RecruitInterests/

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/143108/wally-ellenson

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2012/wally-ellenson-13522

If everyone could see that why did so many offer a scholarship?  West Virginia, Dayton, Minnesota, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Utah, SLU.  Appears everyone did not see this.


"No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth."
— Plato

The Sultan

He was overrated coming out of high school.  Did you actually watch him play?  He wasn't very good at Minnesota and he wasn't very good at Marquette.

He was brought here for one reason only - to get Henry.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MikeDeanesDarkGlasses

It's not uncommon for family members to be involved in the recruiting process.  You can find plenty examples of fathers being put on the coaching staffs to seal a recruit's signature. 

wadesworld

Quote from: #UnleashJayce on March 23, 2020, 05:40:21 AM
Well "worked" is a bit of a stretch. I'd say it ended in disaster

Lol.  He had a recruiting strategy to land the kid.  He landed the kid.  His recruiting strategy worked.

But sure.  If you want to be butthurt that Walter Ellenson left the program, don't let me stop those tears.

lurch91

Quote from: WarriorDad on March 23, 2020, 08:27:10 AM
Why was he a 3 star rated player?

https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Wally-Ellenson-24000/RecruitInterests/

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/143108/wally-ellenson

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2012/wally-ellenson-13522

If everyone could see that why did so many offer a scholarship?  West Virginia, Dayton, Minnesota, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, Utah, SLU.  Appears everyone did not see this.

Wally was not willing to focus solely on basketball.  He was a borderline world class high jumper.  He wanted to do both.  If he had focused on one or the other, he might have been more successful in his only chosen sport.

MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: lurch91 on March 23, 2020, 12:55:44 PM
Wally was not willing to focus solely on basketball.  He was a borderline world class high jumper.  He wanted to do both.  If he had focused on one or the other, he might have been more successful in his only chosen sport.

I meant to share this quite awhile ago that made me think of Wally.
My kids high school cross country coach played D-2 basketball and was also high jumper for Southern Connecticut State University.  He was a D-2 All-American jumper in 1994-1995-1996.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: WarriorDad on March 23, 2020, 08:14:14 AM
He was a consensus 3 star recruit...
That is a compliment you don't hear too often in recruiting circles...

lurch91

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 23, 2020, 01:57:54 PM
I meant to share this quite awhile ago that made me think of Wally.
My kids high school cross country coach played D-2 basketball and was also high jumper for Southern Connecticut State University.  He was a D-2 All-American jumper in 1994-1995-1996.

But, what was his neck size?


WarriorFan

Quote from: pettyworld on March 23, 2020, 09:23:51 AM
Lol.  He had a recruiting strategy to land the kid.  He landed the kid.  His recruiting strategy worked.

But sure.  If you want to be butthurt that Walter Ellenson left the program, don't let me stop those tears.
Better than leaving that last scholarship open, or upgrading a walk-on.... and Wally averaged 21ppg last year for the Telecom Business Hub Jets in the NZ NBL.
"The meaning of life isn't gnashing our bicuspids over what comes after death but tasting the tiny moments that come before it."

JWags85

Quote from: WarriorFan on March 24, 2020, 11:17:49 AM
Better than leaving that last scholarship open, or upgrading a walk-on.... and Wally averaged 21ppg last year for the Telecom Business Hub Jets in the NZ NBL.

Come on man. He averaged less than 5 in Argentina's top league and under 10 in the Canadien NBL. That tells you what kind of league it is in NZ. It's semi-pro. The "real" pro team in Auckland plays in the Aussie NBL

WarriorDad

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 24, 2020, 06:55:37 AM
That is a compliment you don't hear too often in recruiting circles...

You almost never hear it for an at best low major recruit, Silent Verbal's comment.
"No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth."
— Plato

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