Stan Johnson is new LMU Head Coach

[keefe]

An elite offense doesn't get shutdown when one guy is contained or stopped.

Mike

How dare you argue with a basketball expert! You forget yourself, sir!

[wadesworld]

Mike

How dare you argue with a basketball expert! You forget yourself, sir!

Aww did brewcity hurt Keefer's feelings somewhere along the way?

Always good to just dig in and say, "forget the data. I know better than numbers!"

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Aww did brewcity hurt Keefer's feelings somewhere along the way?

Always good to just dig in and say, "forget the data. I know better than numbers!"

Little does Brew City know, but his numbers are outliers that are propped up by Markus Howard.  Take him away and there's nothing left.....ohhh wait.... that's what happened the last several games of the season.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Little does Brew City know, but his numbers are outliers that are propped up by Markus Howard.  Take him away and there's nothing left.....ohhh wait.... that's what happened the last several games of the season.

Markus Howard was taken away the last several games of the season? In the last 5 he averaged 33.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, and 3.8 apg while shooting an eFG% of 61.2%.

Besides the Creighton game, the offense was not a problem during the collapse. Even the DePaul game was statistically okay offense because of how often we got to the free throw line. The defense is where the roof caved in.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Markus Howard was taken away the last several games of the season? In the last 5 he averaged 33.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, and 3.8 apg while shooting an eFG% of 61.2%.

Besides the Creighton game, the offense was not a problem during the collapse. Even the DePaul game was statistically okay offense because of how often we got to the free throw line. The defense is where the roof caved in.

Okay offense........not Elite offense as the context suggests.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Okay offense........not Elite offense as the context suggests.

In one game. The others...

[brewcity77]

Little does Brew City know, but his numbers are outliers that are propped up by Markus Howard.  Take him away and there's nothing left.....ohhh wait.... that's what happened the last several games of the season.

Who's Markus Howard?

[jesmu84]

Little does Brew City know, but his numbers are outliers that are propped up by Markus Howard.  Take him away and there's nothing left.....ohhh wait.... that's what happened the last several games of the season.

Lol.

Once you take away MJ's contributions to those 90s Bulls teams, they aren't very good.

[Galway Eagle]

Lol.

Once you take away MJ's contributions to those 90s Bulls teams, they aren't very good.

Didn't the bulls make the conference finals without him?

[The Sultan]

Didn't the bulls make the conference finals without him?

Semifinals.  They lost on a terrible call in Game 7.

The Knicks went on to beat the Pacers in the famed Reggie Miller series.

[jesmu84]

Didn't the bulls make the conference finals without him?

If you discount Lebron, the Cavs were pretty average.

I could go on and on with examples. But I think the point is understood.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Semifinals.  They lost on a terrible call in Game 7.

The Knicks went on to beat the Pacers in the famed Reggie Miller series.

The famed Reggie Miller series was in 1995, and the Pacers won.

[The Sultan]

The famed Reggie Miller series was in 1995, and the Pacers won.

No the one where Reggie went off and got into it with Spike was 1994. Game 5 I believe. They lost game six back in Indy and game 7 in New York.

They played the next year in the conference semifinals and the Pacers won. Then lost to the Magic in the conference finals.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

No the one where Reggie went off and got into it with Spike was 1994. Game 5 I believe. They lost game six back in Indy and game 7 in New York.

They played the next year in the conference semifinals and the Pacers won. Then lost to the Magic in the conference finals.

I was thinking 1995, when Miller scored 8 points in the last 8 seconds of game 1.

We apparently have a difference of opinion of which series was more famous.

[Elonsmusk]

If you discount Lebron, the Cavs were pretty average.

I could go on and on with examples. But I think the point is understood.

Of course. Take Markus off Marquette and how good are we?

Usually losing a 1st Team All American and all-time great is tough to replace.

We went 8-10 in Big East with him. Hardly comparable to your previous examples of taking LeBron, Jordan, or Rodgers off their teams - they all won big time.

[jesmu84]

Of course. Take Markus off Marquette and how good are we?

Usually losing a 1st Team All American and all-time great is tough to replace.

We went 8-10 in Big East with him. Hardly comparable to your previous examples of taking LeBron, Jordan, or Rodgers off their teams - they all won big time.

Misunderstanding.

I was responding to a poster talking about how bad our offense is if you take Markus away. Nothing to do with winning.

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Lol.

Once you take away MJ's contributions to those 90s Bulls teams, they aren't very good.

Yeah..... having 2 HOFers in Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen construes a "not very good" team.  I mean it's hard to analyze for some people when the bright, shiny objects aren't there anymore. 

[The Sultan]

Yeah..... having 2 HOFers in Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen construes a "not very good" team.  I mean it's hard to analyze for some people when the bright, shiny objects aren't there anymore. 

Rodman wasn't on the MJ less Bulls teams.

[MU82]

Markus Howard was taken away the last several games of the season? In the last 5 he averaged 33.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, and 3.8 apg while shooting an eFG% of 61.2%.

Besides the Creighton game, the offense was not a problem during the collapse. Even the DePaul game was statistically okay offense because of how often we got to the free throw line. The defense is where the roof caved in.

Oh, you and your "facts" and "stats" and "data."

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

Rodman wasn't on the MJ less Bulls teams.

For those who haven't been paying attention to current events.....

"Once you take away MJ's contributions to those 90s Bulls teams, they aren't very good"

my response:

Yeah..... having 2 HOFers in Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen construes a "not very good" team.  I mean it's hard to analyze for some people when the bright, shiny objects aren't there anymore.

In essence, you're wrong because MJ didn't contribute anything to the teams he wasn't on.  #Read2Succeed

[BallBoy]

For those who haven't been paying attention to current events.....

"Once you take away MJ's contributions to those 90s Bulls teams, they aren't very good"

my response:

Yeah..... having 2 HOFers in Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen construes a "not very good" team.  I mean it's hard to analyze for some people when the bright, shiny objects aren't there anymore.

In essence, you're wrong because MJ didn't contribute anything to the teams he wasn't on.  #Read2Succeed

I think you dug a hole and are trying to dig your way out.

I think though you could argue that without MJ that the Bulls might be not be a horrible team but you can't say that the Bulls would have been as good or even won a title.  Based on who was on the team because of Jordan I would say they might have been good. I think it would be much more likely that the Bulls weren't very good than the team of the decade.

However we have to take away all of Jordan's contributions. People came to the 90s Bulls to play with Jordan.  They drafted Pippen to augment Jordan against the Piston.  Without Jordan, Bulls likely don't draft Pippen. Regardless, People don't come to the Bulls on a team built around Pippen. Rodman likely doesn't come to the Bulls for the second run. Without Jordan, Krause would not have looked like a genius so he likely would haven't gotten fired because he was a pain to work with. That likely means the Bulls don't get Kukoc.

Also Dennis Rodman only played on the second run not the first one so having the statement that two hall of famers is more wrong than someone saying they weren't going to be very good.  In the one playoff year without Jordan they lost in the second round. So I think intent of the other poster's comment about without Jordan being on the Bulls they aren't as good rings more true than yours.

I think the sentiment of the contrarian statement is also more accurate which is you can't take away a member of the team and say without that player we wouldn't be as good. One because you take away the best player without context than that is true for any team. Two because without Markus we would have gotten a different guard. Hausers would likely have stayed so we would just have a different team and it could be that we would have been more efficient. I can go on and on about what could have been but we had Markus so the offense was the offense.

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No need to bury him further, his ass is the only thing showing in that hole.

[Ardmore Mug]

I thought this was a thread about Stan Johnson ????

[MikeDeanesDarkGlasses]

I thought this was a thread about Stan Johnson ????

Ballboy trying to make this thread about his Johnson!  ProWojer's distorting reality is quite hilarious. 

Stan leaves with his West Coast pipeline and the ProWojer's are on the defensive now.  It's only a matter of time before the vortex of the toilet bowl sucks them in.  Meanwhile the ride on the side of the bowl has them dizzied.

[wadesworld]

Ballboy trying to make this thread about his Johnson!  ProWojer's distorting reality is quite hilarious. 

Stan leaves with his West Coast pipeline and the ProWojer's are on the defensive now.  It's only a matter of time before the vortex of the toilet bowl sucks them in.  Meanwhile the ride on the side of the bowl has them dizzied.

The nojoers sounds like Chicos. Threads constantly getting derailed with the same comments in every thread. When called out about it, "it wasn't me! Those damn projoers just can't help themselves."

The innocent victims. Always. They never have any part in a thread going off topic. It's just the clueless nojoers.