Illinois

[tower912]

Because of COVID or just put off procedures?

How do we staff the COVID leper colonies?
With dentists?

[Hards Alumni]

Because of COVID or just put off procedures?

How do we staff the COVID leper colonies?
With dentists?

Because non essential procedures weren't being done, and now they're going to get pushed back again due to the most recent surge in hospitalizations and full ICU beds.

[forgetful]

Forgetful

Respectfully disagree. Some people may be more prone to fall for disinformation on alcohol, cigarettes, poor eating habits or the efficacy of vaccines but there is plenty of true information available to them to help them make proper choices - much more than at any time in history.

You want to blame "our system" for addicting people yet there are addicts who make bad choices under all "systems" and have been doing it forever. The same is true for those who distrust vaccines.

Once you start judging which people who make poor choices should be cared for and which should be shunned/abandoned you are on thin ice ethically IMO.

I can respect this. I agree with the idea of caring for any and everyone regardless of their decisions. How do you recommend we encourage them to change their behavior then?

We do charge people more for health insurance etc., for bad health decisions. Same with bad car drivers. We heavily tax tobacco and alochol. Do we use that as leverage? Charge more for insurance and have a no-vaccine tax?

[Lennys Tap]

I can respect this. I agree with the idea of caring for any and everyone regardless of their decisions. How do you recommend we encourage them to change their behavior then?

We do charge people more for health insurance etc., for bad health decisions. Same with bad car drivers. We heavily tax tobacco and alochol. Do we use that as leverage? Charge more for insurance and have a no-vaccine tax?

I don't know how effective "sin taxes" are at changing behaviors and they disproportionately affect the poor. So would a tax on non vaxxers.

Insured or not, we treat anyone who walks into a hospital -as we should. I don't think putting conditions on that is a good idea.

[Lennys Tap]

What do you think about a system where we designate some beds for Covid patients so the rest of us can move on with our lives?  I know people who've had to put procedures off for years, and people who haven't seen a doctor in years either.

I'm not sure what you do in areas where basic health care needs are being denied due to Covid. I thought that was behind us. I've had three elective surgeries and one procedure (colonoscopy) in the last 18 months along with normal doctor and dental appointments. And I live in Florida, which many (here, anyway) insist is way behind the curve.

[jesmu84]

I don't know how effective "sin taxes" are at changing behaviors and they disproportionately affect the poor. So would a tax on non vaxxers.

Insured or not, we treat anyone who walks into a hospital -as we should. I don't think putting conditions on that is a good idea.

Universal healthcare? Love the idea!

[Lennys Tap]

Universal healthcare? Love the idea!

We've always had universal health care (for emergencies, anyway). Universal health insurance is something different.

[Hards Alumni]

We've always had universal health care (for emergencies, anyway). Universal health insurance is something different.

You're being pedantic.  But yes, thank you for advocating for a national health care system.

[Galway Eagle]

We've always had universal health care (for emergencies, anyway). Universal health insurance is something different.

People shouldn't be going to Emergency rooms to get insanely over priced care for their physical, or standard diabetes treatment.

Universal healthcare changes that.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

People shouldn't be going to Emergency rooms to get insanely over priced care for their physical, or standard diabetes treatment.

Universal healthcare changes that.

You socialist!

It is every American's right to pay insanely high prices for the 27th best medical system in the world!

[Pakuni]

Interesting legislation being considered in Illinois ..

https://www.newsweek.com/unvaccinated-illinoisans-pay-covid-hospital-bills-new-proposals-case-spike-jonathan-carroll-1656752

And now he's pulled the legislation.

[Warriors4ever]

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-politics/illinois-rep-pulls-bill-requiring-unvaccinated-residents-to-pay-for-covid-care-says-he-received-threats/2704041/

[Lennys Tap]

And now he's pulled the legislation.

It was dumb and he basically admitted as much.

[#UnleashSean]

What do you think about a system where we designate some beds for Covid patients so the rest of us can move on with our lives?  I know people who've had to put procedures off for years, and people who haven't seen a doctor in years either.

Covid hasn't even been going on for years. Idk who these people who have delayed procedures for "years" are, but they aren't doing it correctly.

In the past 16 months I've had 3 arm surgeries, and donated a kidney. So, not sure where this is coming from.

[Warriors4ever]

I've got a friend who hasn't seen her dentist, hasn't had her mammogram,  and only recently saw her doctor.
Then I counted up all the regular appointments and exams etc I had been to,  and I was like, really?

[Hards Alumni]

Covid hasn't even been going on for years. Idk who these people who have delayed procedures for "years" are, but they aren't doing it correctly.

In the past 16 months I've had 3 arm surgeries, and donated a kidney. So, not sure where this is coming from.

Covid has been a thing since March 2020.  1 year, 9 months.  Happy?

You're likely wealthy and insured, the people I am referring to live in poverty, and life hasn't been as rosy.

[mu_hilltopper]

It'd be nice to go back in time, right before Covid, when life for those in poverty was rosy.

Good ol days.

[Hards Alumni]

It'd be nice to go back in time, right before Covid, when life for those in poverty was rosy.

Good ol days.

Yeah, imagine it even less rosy than it was, and you're close to what these folks deal with.

[#UnleashSean]

Covid has been a thing since March 2020.  1 year, 9 months.  Happy?

You're likely wealthy and insured, the people I am referring to live in poverty, and life hasn't been as rosy.

I'm more confused now.

A. I am no where no wealthy. Yes I am better off then a lot of people.

So because they live in poverty they haven't been able to get routine procedures? Or because of covid? Is it a combination of both? If so, please explain.

[Warriors4ever]

Well one possibility is that a lot of people don't have regular doctors, a certain amount don't have insurance because even under Obamacare their finances are precarious. So if they rely on say clinics, urgent cares, or wait until they need an ER, they're going to be at the end of the line for care that may not be a life-threatening emergency, but could be necessary.

[Skatastrophy]

CHICAGO — Mayor Lori Lightfoot and health officials announced Tuesday that individuals 5 years of age and older will be required to show proof that they are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 to dine indoors and visit gyms or entertainment venues where food or drinks are served.

https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/mayor-lightfoot-expected-to-make-announcement-on-covid-19-response/

Masks still required

Fully vaccinated is tied to the CDC definition, which is currently two shots.

This should have started in June, but better late then never.

[statnik]

CHICAGO — Mayor Lori Lightfoot and health officials announced Tuesday that individuals 5 years of age and older will be required to show proof that they are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 to dine indoors and visit gyms or entertainment venues where food or drinks are served.

https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/mayor-lightfoot-expected-to-make-announcement-on-covid-19-response/

Masks still required

Fully vaccinated is tied to the CDC definition, which is currently two shots.

This should have started in June, but better late then never.

Should have started in June because they would have then avoided the nationwide outbreak we have now?  Very wishful thinking.

[The Sultan]

Should have started in June because they would have then avoided the nationwide outbreak we have now?  Very wishful thinking.

Yep. Would have been hard to do. Had to battle misinformation from idiots like yourself.

[cheebs09]

Should have started in June because they would have then avoided the nationwide outbreak we have now?  Very wishful thinking.

Yea, I'm sure that would have went well.

[Skatastrophy]

Should have started in June because they would have then avoided the nationwide outbreak we have now?  Very wishful thinking.

June because that's about when the vaccine was easily available to everyone (based on my very fallible memory), after the initial supply chain crunch.