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MUScoop => The Superbar => COVID-19 => Topic started by: Galway Eagle on March 19, 2020, 01:42:53 PM
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Figured a lot of us live in IL as well and might be good to have a thread like the Wisconsin one.
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Heard from a buddy who is is the EHS Director at a big plant in the burbs lockdown is coming to IL really soon. Statewide. Then just saw this tweet.
https://twitter.com/BernieGlavin/status/1240732954017611777?s=09 (https://twitter.com/BernieGlavin/status/1240732954017611777?s=09)
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Heard from a buddy who is is the EHS Director at a big plant in the burbs lockdown is coming to IL really soon. Statewide. Then just saw this tweet.
https://twitter.com/BernieGlavin/status/1240732954017611777?s=09 (https://twitter.com/BernieGlavin/status/1240732954017611777?s=09)
Be careful with that tweet. look at some of the responses
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I heard Chicago and more burbs were going to Order in Place as well but that tweet doesn't seem legit from the responses.
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Oak Park starts "shelter in place" tomorrow. neighbor suburbs are supporting that measure. Most suburbs will rely on Cook County to issue declaration. Largely because most burbs don't have their own health department.
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Heard from a buddy who is is the EHS Director at a big plant in the burbs lockdown is coming to IL really soon. Statewide. Then just saw this tweet.
https://twitter.com/BernieGlavin/status/1240732954017611777?s=09 (https://twitter.com/BernieGlavin/status/1240732954017611777?s=09)
I know that dude!
However, I do believe that that's a common shipping route for Oshkosh to send military vehicles on. Pretty sure I've seen that before.
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Shelter in place would be smart. Allow people to go to grocery stores, pharmacies, doctors, banks, etc. Otherwise, stay in the house.
I don't like the idea of military-style lockdown, at least not yet. See how people respond to shelter in place.
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Heard the numbers out of Cook County are going to be staggering.
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Heard from a buddy who is is the EHS Director at a big plant in the burbs lockdown is coming to IL really soon. Statewide. Then just saw this tweet.
https://twitter.com/BernieGlavin/status/1240732954017611777?s=09 (https://twitter.com/BernieGlavin/status/1240732954017611777?s=09)
A few days ago I saw a similar video on my wife's Facebook feed which said "Watertown, Wisconsin". I couldn't bring myself to link that. :P
I'd rather see the guys in boots than nothing to be honest.
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Heard the numbers out of Cook County are going to be staggering.
I would not be shocked. But I would expect it to be in line with most other major metropolitan areas.
What are you hearing?
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I would not be shocked. But I would expect it to be in line with most other major metropolitan areas.
What are you hearing?
“Staggering” honestly that’s it. Also, that there’s a concern of hysteria.
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Popped into a couple favorite breweries today to pick up cans to go. Remember to support local business in this lockdown, both breweries were incredibly thankful
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I've been chatting up the Metra conductors all week.
Number of trips are going to be cut significantly next week.
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“Staggering” honestly that’s it. Also, that there’s a concern of hysteria.
I live in Chicago. I’m sure we will have high numbers like New York, with our density, but I’m not seeing anything close to hysteria. People are calm, grocery stores and pharmacies are orderly.
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I live in Chicago. I’m sure we will have high numbers like New York, with our density, but I’m not seeing anything close to hysteria. People are calm, grocery stores and pharmacies are orderly.
This. Idk how the denser parts are but the Home Depot, jewel, aldi and target on the west side was fine.
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FWIW, most neighborhoods in the big east coast cities are about twice as dense as the densest neighborhoods of Midwest cities.
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FWIW, most neighborhoods in the big east coast cities are about twice as dense as the densest neighborhoods of Midwest cities.
True. Once you get outside of the River North/South Loop/West Town city center boundaries, Chicago isn't THAT dense.
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Looking for some input from Scoopers on a somewhat complicated situation I find myself in.
We sold our Chicago condo and bought a house in Libertyville right before all this crap hit the fan. I am not regretting it (yet) because I still think it was the right thing for our growing family but the logistics of this are making me anxious.
The condo buyers close April 17. We close on our home May 1, but don't get possession until June 15 (sellers will be renting from us for 1.5 months). We are planning to live with our in-laws for the in-between time. As of right now, everyone is healthy, although the in-laws are in their 60s and have some risks (one is a smoker, one is diabetic). They live in Lake Zurich in Lake County. I'm trying to make the wisest, healthiest decision for everyone involved.
Our original move date, which is currently on the books, is April 15. Movers will be taking all of our stuff and putting it into storage until we move into the house in June. I am wondering if we should move up our move date to get out to Lake Zurich sooner than planned. I called the moving company and the earliest they can do is April 1 (which makes sense, they are probably booked with moves for renters whose leases end at the end of the month). So we are talking a difference of 2 weeks. Downside....this would be added stress on me, my wife, and our 2 month old, to vacate our condo 2 weeks earlier than planned. We have not started packing yet, but can utilize packers from the moving company, which is what we will probably do regardless. My wife has stated she really doesn't want to move earlier than we need to, and I usually live by happy wife = happy life and go along with her wishes. However, I am worried about the risk of us getting infected in those extra two weeks going up, and then infecting our in laws. I am also worried about moving companies getting shut down. However, I guess if that happens, the people buying our condo won't be able to move in either....so who knows.
Just looking for thoughts. Thank you.
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I live in Chicago. I’m sure we will have high numbers like New York, with our density, but I’m not seeing anything close to hysteria. People are calm, grocery stores and pharmacies are orderly.
Just what expectations there are. Retired officers are being asked to come back. Sounds like bad news Friday afternoon potentially coming.
I’m glad they’re preparing for the potential worst in people.
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Illinois moving to "Lockdown," but really shelter in place. Grocery stores, pharmacies, plumbers, electicians, roads and highways, banks, etc. to remain open. Hopefully movers too....LOL
National guard being activated, but says these are NOT used for quarantine enforcement but are mostly medical professionals and others for testing.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-illinois-shelter-in-place-lockdown-order-20200320-teedakbfw5gvdgmnaxlel54hau-story.html
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Uncle sent me this today. It's up on Devon.
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My fav part of the announcement today, other than Pritzker looking unbelievably uncomfortable up there, was him comparing this to the Great Chicago Fire as a setback Chicago will bounce back from. Not dramatic at all! And then the creative liberties in describing Chicago as a “small midwestern town” before the fire, that grew to something great. There is no doubt that Chicago benefited greatly from a redesign and fresh start, but it was larger than Boston, DC, and anywhere not named NYC or Philly, it wasn’t some fledgling outpost.
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My fav part of the announcement today, other than Pritzker looking unbelievably uncomfortable up there, was him comparing this to the Great Chicago Fire as a setback Chicago will bounce back from. Not dramatic at all! And then the creative liberties in describing Chicago as a “small midwestern town” before the fire, that grew to something great. There is no doubt that Chicago benefited greatly from a redesign and fresh start, but it was larger than Boston, DC, and anywhere not named NYC or Philly, it wasn’t some fledgling outpost.
We were actually smaller than St. Louis at the time of the fire.
Edit: went to fact check myself and found out we were in fact slightly larger. I swear I was taught otherwise.
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We were actually smaller than St. Louis at the time of the fire.
We'll always be bigger than SL(u)!
Coleman, I would consider talking with the realtors involved and seeing if anyone else is considering a different timeline. If not, you could sweeten the deal to rent your condo from the new owners at above market rates.
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Uncle sent me this today. It's up on Devon.
Marengo, gross.
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We were actually smaller than St. Louis at the time of the fire.
Edit: went to fact check myself and found out we were in fact slightly larger. I swear I was taught otherwise.
Actually, Chicago's rapid growth in population in the late 19th century was primarily due to its annexation of nearby towns, including Hyde Park, Rogers Park, Lakeview, and Jefferson. It was a very Chicago way of accomplishing a goal.
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Actually, Chicago's rapid growth in population in the late 19th century was primarily due to its annexation of nearby towns, including Hyde Park, Rogers Park, Lakeview, and Jefferson. It was a very Chicago way of accomplishing a goal.
Not really that different than anywhere else... Brooklyn city ringing a bell?
But either way Chicago growth wasn't a point I made in my post. Was just trying to point out it was more comparable to small midwestern cities not exactly the far and away largest city in the midwest back then
Edit: That other rambling before was the beer talking.
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Just a friendly reminder that car dealerships will still be open in Illinois (my hours are so bad, I can't get a fking day off during a pandemic). Stop on by for the 0% for 84 mths financing; just stay six feet away from me when purchasing.
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It sounds like more things are open than closed, to a certain extent.
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As IL taxpayers, can we all agree to give the sign language guy a raise?
Seriously, his expressions are great. He takes his job seriously and the passion comes out.
(Of course, I hope that he is actually a legitimate interpreter and not "speaking" gibberish a la Obama's.)
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As IL taxpayers, can we all agree to give the sign language guy a raise?
Seriously, his expressions are great. He takes his job seriously and the passion comes out.
(Of course, I hope that he is actually a legitimate interpreter and not "speaking" gibberish a la Obama's.)
That guy's my favorite. I want him to sit next to me for eternity, interpreting my musings in sign.
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As IL taxpayers, can we all agree to give the sign language guy a raise?
Seriously, his expressions are great. He takes his job seriously and the passion comes out.
(Of course, I hope that he is actually a legitimate interpreter and not "speaking" gibberish a la Obama's.)
I'm not sure if you know it or not, but Mandela was from South Africa. When Obama gave the speech, that was the interpreter that was provided. He was not Obama's interpreter.
I realize it is Trump's "job" to dodge all responsibility and blame Obama. It's embarrassing that you do the same.
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I'm not sure if you know it or not, but Mandela was from South Africa. When Obama gave the speech, that was the interpreter that was provided. He was not Obama's interpreter.
I realize it is Trump's "job" to dodge all responsibility and blame Obama. It's embarrassing that you do the same.
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Reeeeeeeelax.
I guess this is where we're at in America: any mention of any politician whatsoever--even in the context of some levity--sends out a call to arms.
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Reeeeeeeelax.
I guess this is where we're at in America: any mention of any politician whatsoever--even in the context of some levity--sends out a call to arms.
I was just snarking. Ignore it.
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Illinois moving to "Lockdown," but really shelter in place. Grocery stores, pharmacies, plumbers, electicians, roads and highways, banks, etc. to remain open. Hopefully movers too....LOL
National guard being activated, but says these are NOT used for quarantine enforcement but are mostly medical professionals and others for testing.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-illinois-shelter-in-place-lockdown-order-20200320-teedakbfw5gvdgmnaxlel54hau-story.html
Coleman, closings are still on with the shelter-in-place order. Title companies are considered financial institutions, banks are open also, and lawyers are able to continue to work when we represent “essential services”. Movers are also going to be able to be open. The closing process is changed some, with fewer people allowed at the actual closing, but closings are still occurring.
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Coleman, closings are still on with the shelter-in-place order. Title companies are considered financial institutions, banks are open also, and lawyers are able to continue to work when we represent “essential services”. Movers are also going to be able to be open. The closing process is changed some, with fewer people allowed at the actual closing, but closings are still occurring.
That’s all good news
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Coleman, closings are still on with the shelter-in-place order. Title companies are considered financial institutions, banks are open also, and lawyers are able to continue to work when we represent “essential services”. Movers are also going to be able to be open. The closing process is changed some, with fewer people allowed at the actual closing, but closings are still occurring.
We are almost in the exact same boat as Coleman. Our buyers close on their place on April 23, while the close on our place is May 1.
What complicates our situation is that after 30 years of living in this house and moving to a place only half of its size, we have a crap ton of stuff we need to get rid of. We have an estate sale scheduled for the end of April. I am not sure what would happen if we can't empty out the house on time.
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We are almost in the exact same boat as Coleman. Our buyers close on their place on April 23, while the close on our place is May 1.
What complicates our situation is that after 30 years of living in this house and moving to a place only half of its size, we have a crap ton of stuff we need to get rid of. We have an estate sale scheduled for the end of April. I am not sure what would happen if we can't empty out the house on time.
Worst case could be a Pods or MiBox, perhaps? Moving companies are essential services.
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Worst case could be a Pods or MiBox, perhaps? Moving companies are essential services.
Or a climate controlled storage unit. They may even let you run the estate sale from the unit when you are able.
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We are almost in the exact same boat as Coleman. Our buyers close on their place on April 23, while the close on our place is May 1.
What complicates our situation is that after 30 years of living in this house and moving to a place only half of its size, we have a crap ton of stuff we need to get rid of. We have an estate sale scheduled for the end of April. I am not sure what would happen if we can't empty out the house on time.
Chick, as of now, my plan is:
-send the wife, baby, and dog to the in-laws a couple days before the move.
-have packers come the day before the move (we have been trying to pack, but we just aren't going to be able to do it alone with an infant)
-have movers take everything into storage
-meet up with the family, and hang out there until we are ready to move into the house
I'd definitely look into the storage route for movers. Could you do an estate sale later on?
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Chick, as of now, my plan is:
-send the wife, baby, and dog to the in-laws a couple days before the move.
-have packers come the day before the move (we have been trying to pack, but we just aren't going to be able to do it alone with an infant)
-have movers take everything into storage
-meet up with the family, and hang out there until we are ready to move into the house
I'd definitely look into the storage route for movers. Could you do an estate sale later on?
Doubtful. I am pretty sure those storage places have rules about that.
It's not about the money we would make on the sale; I just don't want a lot of perfectly good furniture and other stuff winding up in a landfill. We are supposed to be broom-clean on May 1. Thinking about seeing if I can schedule a Salvation Army pickup just in case.
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Doubtful. I am pretty sure those storage places have rules about that.
It's not about the money we would make on the sale; I just don't want a lot of perfectly good furniture and other stuff winding up in a landfill. We are supposed to be broom-clean on May 1. Thinking about seeing if I can schedule a Salvation Army pickup just in case.
What do you have? PM me details. I am going to be filling a new house in 2 months...
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What do you have? PM me details. I am going to be filling a new house in 2 months...
Scoopers helping Scoopers!
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Last time I sold a house I had the RE agent get in contact with the buyer to see if they wanted any of the furniture I was going to donate. It helped me avoid moving a hutch and a sideboard.
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Doubtful. I am pretty sure those storage places have rules about that.
It's not about the money we would make on the sale; I just don't want a lot of perfectly good furniture and other stuff winding up in a landfill. We are supposed to be broom-clean on May 1. Thinking about seeing if I can schedule a Salvation Army pickup just in case.
Go to Charitynavigator.org if you need more places to donate.
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We have donated furniture to the local Habitat REstore. They either sell the items or use them to furnish the houses they build.
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Let Scoop help.
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We have donated furniture to the local Habitat REstore. They either sell the items or use them to furnish the houses they build.
We have done this as well, both for furniture, and for old cabinets that were removed when we remodeled our kitchen and bathrooms. The cabinets were dated but made of solid wood, and REStore was happy to have them.
With large size donations, they will probably send a truck to pick them up.
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https://twitter.com/curbedchicago/status/1242497016384585732?s=19
Hotels being put to use.
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From a U of Chicago Hospital doctor:
@emilymicheleL: My hospital is filling up fast and my colleagues across the city are also seeing big increases. All the pts coming in now were infected long before the stay at home order. Will need more time to see positive effect. So glad we acted as soon as we did, though. https://twitter.com/srahj/status/1242569152117854209
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We have donated furniture to the local Habitat REstore. They either sell the items or use them to furnish the houses they build.
When we sold our house in Illinois and moved south we gave all of our furniture to our parish for their annual “Whale of a Sale” (rummage sale) event. Volunteers came by twice in a truck to pick things up. Win/win.
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Army planning to turn McCormick Place into a hospital:
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/us-army-corps-of-engineers-plans-to-turn-mccormick-place-into-a-3000-bed-hospital/2246392/
There's some good DePaul jokes here that we could make. But let's wait until after the pandemic.
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Army planning to turn McCormick Place into a hospital:
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/us-army-corps-of-engineers-plans-to-turn-mccormick-place-into-a-3000-bed-hospital/2246392/
There's some good DePaul jokes here that we could make. But let's wait until after the pandemic.
It's going to take the Army Corp of Engineers a month to put 3k beds in McCromick Place?
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It's going to take the Army Corp of Engineers a month to put 3k beds in McCromick Place?
100 beds a day, seems lofty, the convention unions still involved.
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100 beds a day, seems lofty, the convention unions still involved.
100 a day? The volunteers at St. Ben’s warming shelter in Milwaukee set up 72 cots in about an hour on many winter nights.
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It's going to take the Army Corp of Engineers a month to put 3k beds in McCromick Place?
Are beds the only thing you need to set up a hospital?
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100 a day? The volunteers at St. Ben’s warming shelter in Milwaukee set up 72 cots in about an hour on many winter nights.
So you think a cot and a hospital bed are the same thing? With the same requirements?
Did the cot guys set up electrical outlets for every cot?
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They converted the Javits Center in Manhattan in a week. We can agree to disagree but April 24-- in our current, COVID-19 timeline-- seems really, really far away to me.
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Looks like Illinois is extending its stay-at-home until the end of April.
Ugh.
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Looks like Illinois is extending its stay-at-home until the end of April.
Ugh.
Smart
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Looks like Illinois is extending its stay-at-home until the end of April.
Ugh.
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Saw this coming at least a week ago.
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Looks like Illinois is extending its stay-at-home until the end of April.
Ugh.
And don't be shocked when this goes until Memorial Day. I don't think any schools in IL will reopen for this school year.
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Anybody get a 5am iPhone alert begging retired medical staff to return
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And don't be shocked when this goes until Memorial Day. I don't think any schools in IL will reopen for this school year.
I don't think they are either, and it's a bummer. My daughter loves kindergarten, and her friends there. Hoping there's at least a day to get together when we get through this thing for them.
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Anybody get a 5am iPhone alert begging retired medical staff to return
No, but I got two yesterday.
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I think by 4th of July, Illinois will be past this.
But yeah, school is done for the year fo sho
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The biggest they need is the antibody test for everyone then vaccine. Until that happens we won't be able to fully resume life. My wife is due on June 4 so we've been actively planning out scenarios for the last few weeks but it sucks that neither of our parents will get to experience their first grandchild with us. And for me in particular, my mother has an autoimmune disease + other complications that make any visit a 100% no go. But, right now we're just hoping Northwestern can keep the women's hospital clean and isolated from the rest hospital. They've been very proactive in their protocols I just hope we don't have any clowns who feel the need to be their S.O. if they have symptoms to ruin it for all of us.
Sorry if it this went O.T. - but just need to vent some thoughts.
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The biggest they need is the antibody test for everyone then vaccine. Until that happens we won't be able to fully resume life. My wife is due on June 4 so we've been actively planning out scenarios for the last few weeks but it sucks that neither of our parents will get to experience their first grandchild with us. And for me in particular, my mother has an autoimmune disease + other complications that make any visit a 100% no go. But, right now we're just hoping Northwestern can keep the women's hospital clean and isolated from the rest hospital. They've been very proactive in their protocols I just hope we don't have any clowns who feel the need to be their S.O. if they have symptoms to ruin it for all of us.
Sorry if it this went O.T. - but just need to vent some thoughts.
Congrats on the first child. Sorry it is happening during this crapshow. We have a three month old.
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The biggest they need is the antibody test for everyone then vaccine. Until that happens we won't be able to fully resume life. My wife is due on June 4 so we've been actively planning out scenarios for the last few weeks but it sucks that neither of our parents will get to experience their first grandchild with us. And for me in particular, my mother has an autoimmune disease + other complications that make any visit a 100% no go. But, right now we're just hoping Northwestern can keep the women's hospital clean and isolated from the rest hospital. They've been very proactive in their protocols I just hope we don't have any clowns who feel the need to be their S.O. if they have symptoms to ruin it for all of us.
Sorry if it this went O.T. - but just need to vent some thoughts.
Congratulations on your first, Chili!
Sorry if it's in a really stressful time...but just think of the stories you can tell while he or she grows up.
Oh, and if you need techie advice on how to get everyone together electronically, just ask the baby. I hear younger kids are great with tech stuff. ;)
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But, right now we're just hoping Northwestern can keep the women's hospital clean and isolated from the rest hospital. They've been very proactive in their protocols I just hope we don't have any clowns who feel the need to be their S.O. if they have symptoms to ruin it for all of us.
Sorry if it this went O.T. - but just need to vent some thoughts.
They go pretty hard on locking down visitors for even "small" things. You'll be in great hands at Prentice.
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I generally appreciate Pritzker’s approach, but he needs a lesson in NIMS and the role of states response first, followed by the federal government. How his administration doesn’t understand this after laws and policy changes from 9-11 is hard to justify.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/4/2/21206013/mccormick-place-coronavirus-hospital-todd-semonite-army-corps-engineers
The first 500 beds will be ready Friday.
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As the sky clears tonight, I would normally sit on my patio and count 15-20 planes from east to west queued up for O’Hare.
There’s only been 3 in the last 20 minutes, crazy.
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As the sky clears tonight, I would normally sit on my patio and count 15-20 planes from east to west queued up for O’Hare.
There’s only been 3 in the last 20 minutes, crazy.
Worked from my deck in Avondale all afternoon on Zoom calls and watched the planes come in from the east. Of those coming in it seemed to be almost all long haul international flights with a few domestic here or there. Really weird.
I read a stat that on Monday NYC had something like a total of 25-30 flights out of all 3 airports when they usually have about 300 a day.
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Worked from my deck in Avondale all afternoon on Zoom calls and watched the planes come in from the east. Of those coming in it seemed to be almost all long haul international flights with a few domestic here or there. Really weird.
I read a stat that on Monday NYC had something like a total of 25-30 flights out of all 3 airports when they usually have about 300 a day.
All things considered, great day for the patio office. Pretty sure I picked up some sunburn.
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Worked from my deck in Avondale all afternoon on Zoom calls and watched the planes come in from the east. Of those coming in it seemed to be almost all long haul international flights with a few domestic here or there. Really weird.
I read a stat that on Monday NYC had something like a total of 25-30 flights out of all 3 airports when they usually have about 300 a day.
Unless those flights have only Americans returning home, why the F are international flights still flying?
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Unless those flights have only Americans returning home, why the F are international flights still flying?
Commercial flights still move cargo and mail but the passengers would have to be American.
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I'm jealous of you guys with patios. This is the first time I've missed having a yard and patio.
I sat on my balcony (not a lot of sun in the afternoon, but still pleasantly fresh air) in the South Loop yesterday before the storms and saw a couple of planes. I usually have the conga line of Southwest planes headed towards Midway from over the lake but they aren't even bothering to line them up anymore. It's really bizarre. There are still a lot of helicopters flying around, though I'm guessing I notice them more now because the city is so quiet.
On another note: I've been very pleasantly surprised by Pritzker and Lightfoot. Pritzker has solidified himself as a top 5 governor in the US during this crisis, and Lightfoot seems to have the city running like a machine (pun intended) despite both of them being relatively new to their jobs.
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Governors and mayors are the rock stars of the effort.
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9pm curfew on liquor sales. It's like being back in Wisconsin again
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Cook County jail is largest source of U.S. infections
New York Times
The Cook County jail in Chicago, a sprawling facility that is among the largest jails in the nation, has emerged as the largest-known source of U.S. coronavirus infections, according to data compiled by The Times.
At least 387 cases can be linked to the jail — more than have been connected to the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt, a nursing home in Kirkland, Wash., or the cluster of cases centered on New Rochelle, N.Y.
As of Tuesday, the Cook County Sheriff’s Office, which operates the jail, said 272 inmates and 115 staff members had tested positive. But because the vast majority of the jail’s 5,000 inmates have not been tested, corrections officers have said the numbers are likely far higher. In late March, the jail had just two diagnoses.
The outbreak appears to confirm the concerns of many health officials, who warned that America’s overcrowded and unsanitary jails and prisons could be a major source of spread. Those warnings prompted authorities across the country to release thousands of inmates to try to slow the infection, save lives and preserve medical resources.
Still, hundreds of diagnoses have been confirmed at local, state and federal correctional facilities — almost certainly an undercount, given a lack of testing and the virus’s rapid spread — leading to hunger strikes in immigrant detention centers and demands for more protection from prison employee unions.
In Cook County, officials released hundreds of inmates early — all of whom had been convicted of nonviolent crimes like drug possession and disorderly conduct. Judges are continuing to examine the cases of each inmate to determine if bonds can be lowered for certain people. That would allow dozens, perhaps hundreds, more people to be released, officials say.
The sheriff, Thomas J. Dart, has set up a quarantine area for those who have tested positive and another to monitor those showing symptoms. The most serious patients are being taken to a hospital.
But inmates and corrections officers have complained that the jail’s safety measures are inadequate. A protest was held outside the jail on Tuesday. Advocates and family members have also filed a federal lawsuit seeking the early release of older inmates and those who have chronic medical conditions which may make them particularly vulnerable.
The union representing corrections officers there has complained that the sheriff’s office failed to provide adequate protective equipment to the jail’s staff and has provided only cursory instruction and training to avoid contracting the virus and limiting its spread.
http://digitaledition.chicagotribune.com/infinity/article_share.aspx?guid=2c55e44b-ec7d-44a9-88c1-ffe8bfef8a28
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And how many of the prisoners that got released were unsymptomatic carriers?
Yeah, really regretting my decision to move out of Illinois.
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And how many of the prisoners that got released were unsymptomatic carriers?
Yeah, really regretting my decision to move out of Illinois.
There's prisons everywhere and no matter where you are I doubt you run in many of the same circles as those that were released. Plenty of good reasons to leave the state without including ones that don't actually effect you.
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And how many of the prisoners that got released were unsymptomatic carriers?
Yeah, really regretting my decision to move out of Illinois.
I'm so envious of you and Glow. We are planning on doing the same as you and get out of Illinois in favor of Wisconsin. But, being a lawyer in Illinois, and with most of my clients here, I've got a few more years here before we get out. Our plan is to get a place on the lakefront and be 2-2.25 hours from our place in Door. Illinois is bad and won't get better until Madigan is out.
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There's prisons everywhere and no matter where you are I doubt you run in many of the same circles as those that were released. Plenty of good reasons to leave the state without including ones that don't actually effect you.
Of course there are. I was just taking a jab at Hards.
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And how many of the prisoners that got released were unsymptomatic carriers?
Yeah, really regretting my decision to move out of Illinois.
:P
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I was at an event in February, a well-known Wisconsin Facebook comedian did a bit of stand-up.
Being close to the border, did a couple of FIB jokes, then explained he discovered something far worse than FIBs and Bears fans. Former FIBs that obnoxiously talk about moving to Wisconsin.
Got damn near got a standing ovation.
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I was at an event in February, a well-known Wisconsin Facebook comedian did a bit of stand-up.
Being close to the border, did a couple of FIB jokes, then explained he discovered something far worse than FIBs and Bears fans. Former FIBs that obnoxiously talk about moving to Wisconsin.
Got damn near got a standing ovation.
There is no one more obnoxious than the newly converted. Be it religion, exercise routine or moving to Wisconsin.
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There is no one more obnoxious than the newly converted. Be it religion, exercise routine or moving to Wisconsin.
So true.
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There is no one more obnoxious than the newly converted. Be it religion, exercise routine or moving to Wisconsin.
I would also add nutrition to the list, e.g., becoming vegan, keto, doing "cleanses," etc.
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I would also add nutrition to the list, e.g., becoming vegan, keto, doing "cleanses," etc.
Just say anyone that believe in simple solutions to complex problems. I think that covers most things. ;D
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I was at an event in February, a well-known Wisconsin Facebook comedian did a bit of stand-up.
Being close to the border, did a couple of FIB jokes, then explained he discovered something far worse than FIBs and Bears fans. Former FIBs that obnoxiously talk about moving to Wisconsin.
Got damn near got a standing ovation.
This event was in Illinois? Envy is a powerful emotion.
Also, moving back to Wisconsin is different from moving there for the first time.
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Lived in Wisconsin for the first 23 years of my life. It was a great place to grow up. Good public schools, nice neighborhoods, lots of lakes, state parks, outdoor recreation. I loved it.
Now that I am an adult, I never want to move back (ok maybe not NEVER, but definitely not until I am of retirement age).
Everyone in my hometown is either a teacher, a nurse, or a factory worker. (Edit: I am NOT belittling these professions. They are important. I'm just talking about the lack of options). That's all there is for employment. A nice dinner out consists of Olive Garden. There's a reason so many people drive drunk. All there is to do is go out to the bars.
Give me Chicago's cultural scene, nightlife, sports, theater, music, opera, culinary options, every damn time. Not to mention the job market. If I get laid off, I'll find something else in my field within a month, no problem, and I won't have to move my family for it.
I know Milwaukee has a bit more to do than my hometown, but it is nowhere close to Chicago.
I come back to Milwaukee for a few MU games a year, and we spend a week or two in Door County every year, and I get my Wisco fix. That's really all I need.
Just one person's perspective.
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Lived in Wisconsin for the first 23 years of my life. It was a great place to grow up. Good public schools, nice neighborhoods, lots of lakes, state parks, outdoor recreation. I loved it.
Now that I am an adult, I never want to move back (ok maybe not NEVER, but definitely not until I am of retirement age).
Everyone in my hometown is either a teacher, a nurse, or a factory worker. That's all there is for employment. A nice dinner out consists of Olive Garden.
Give me Chicago's cultural scene, nightlife, sports, theater, music, opera, culinary options, every damn time. Not to mention the job market. If I get laid off, I'll find something else in my field within a month, no problem, and I won't have to move my family for it.
I know Milwaukee has a bit more to do than my hometown, but it is nowhere close to Chicago.
I come back to Milwaukee for a few MU games a year, and we spend a week or two in Door County every year, and I get my Wisco fix. That's really all I need.
Just one person's perspective.
Agree with all of this. Post Marquette, I got out as fast as possible. I like Milwaukee well enough, and I'd consider a vacation or little retirement place around Madison for the outdoor scene, but I prefer all the things a big city can offer.
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9pm curfew on liquor sales. It's like being back in Wisconsin again
As you know, the virus only comes out at night!
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Lived in Wisconsin for the first 23 years of my life. It was a great place to grow up. Good public schools, nice neighborhoods, lots of lakes, state parks, outdoor recreation. I loved it.
Now that I am an adult, I never want to move back (ok maybe not NEVER, but definitely not until I am of retirement age).
Everyone in my hometown is either a teacher, a nurse, or a factory worker. (Edit: I am NOT belittling these professions. They are important. I'm just talking about the lack of options). That's all there is for employment. A nice dinner out consists of Olive Garden. There's a reason so many people drive drunk. All there is to do is go out to the bars.
Give me Chicago's cultural scene, nightlife, sports, theater, music, opera, culinary options, every damn time. Not to mention the job market. If I get laid off, I'll find something else in my field within a month, no problem, and I won't have to move my family for it.
I know Milwaukee has a bit more to do than my hometown, but it is nowhere close to Chicago.
I come back to Milwaukee for a few MU games a year, and we spend a week or two in Door County every year, and I get my Wisco fix. That's really all I need.
Just one person's perspective.
We felt the same way when we were your age. :)
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We felt the same way when we were your age. :)
I'll probably feel the same way when I'm your age!
That's why they are opinions, we can both be right!
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Lived in Wisconsin for the first 23 years of my life. It was a great place to grow up. Good public schools, nice neighborhoods, lots of lakes, state parks, outdoor recreation. I loved it.
Now that I am an adult, I never want to move back (ok maybe not NEVER, but definitely not until I am of retirement age).
Everyone in my hometown is either a teacher, a nurse, or a factory worker. (Edit: I am NOT belittling these professions. They are important. I'm just talking about the lack of options). That's all there is for employment. A nice dinner out consists of Olive Garden. There's a reason so many people drive drunk. All there is to do is go out to the bars.
Give me Chicago's cultural scene, nightlife, sports, theater, music, opera, culinary options, every damn time. Not to mention the job market. If I get laid off, I'll find something else in my field within a month, no problem, and I won't have to move my family for it.
I know Milwaukee has a bit more to do than my hometown, but it is nowhere close to Chicago.
I come back to Milwaukee for a few MU games a year, and we spend a week or two in Door County every year, and I get my Wisco fix. That's really all I need.
Just one person's perspective.
When you were describing your home town it sounded like you were describing the whole of Tinley Park, Evergreen Park, Oak Lawn, Oak Forest lol.
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This event was in Illinois? Envy is a powerful emotion.
Also, moving back to Wisconsin is different from moving there for the first time.
No it wasn't. Keep 'er moving.
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No it wasn't. Keep 'er moving.
Im loving watching him make drinks from the quarantine kitchen
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I'll probably feel the same way when I'm your age!
That's why they are opinions, we can both be right!
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Hey I gotta be nice to chick, I wanna buy her poker table when she moves!
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Hey I gotta be nice to chick, I wanna buy her poker table when she moves!
Both opinions are perfectly valid.
Also, the buyers want the poker table, so sorry...
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Both opinions are perfectly valid.
Also, the buyers want the poker table, so sorry...
Well then, SCREW WISCONSIN
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Lived in Wisconsin for the first 23 years of my life. It was a great place to grow up. Good public schools, nice neighborhoods, lots of lakes, state parks, outdoor recreation. I loved it.
Now that I am an adult, I never want to move back (ok maybe not NEVER, but definitely not until I am of retirement age).
Everyone in my hometown is either a teacher, a nurse, or a factory worker. (Edit: I am NOT belittling these professions. They are important. I'm just talking about the lack of options). That's all there is for employment. A nice dinner out consists of Olive Garden. There's a reason so many people drive drunk. All there is to do is go out to the bars.
Give me Chicago's cultural scene, nightlife, sports, theater, music, opera, culinary options, every damn time. Not to mention the job market. If I get laid off, I'll find something else in my field within a month, no problem, and I won't have to move my family for it.
I know Milwaukee has a bit more to do than my hometown, but it is nowhere close to Chicago.
I come back to Milwaukee for a few MU games a year, and we spend a week or two in Door County every year, and I get my Wisco fix. That's really all I need.
Just one person's perspective.
Madison is like mini-Chicago.
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Madison is like mini-Chicago.
No its not.
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No its not.
I mean without the staggering amount of murders. Music festivals, good food, lakes, beer, art, sports, theater... sure it lacks dance clubs, but they get old really fast.
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Yeah...I gotta agree with Ziggy on this one
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Chicago vies with NYC as the best food city in the country and has the best tacos outside of LA. Its music scene is insane from a top 10 Symphony to Lincoln Hall/Reggies/The Metro and smaller clubs. It has incredible museums, a world renowned aquarium, and a huge amazing lakefront park with a true beach.
Madison is a cool town, UW aside, but Milwaukee is far more of a mini-Chicago than Madison is. Madison is a cool oversized college town like Eugene, Boulder, or Knoxville.
Also, you're definitely far closer to the crime or "unsavory" elements of Madison on a night out on State St or whatnot than you would be to all of the notorious murders/crime when in the near North/near South side of Chicago
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Yeah...I gotta agree with Ziggy on this one
At least we agree on the important chit, aina.
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Madison is like mini-Chicago.
No. Just, no.
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Chicago vies with NYC as the best food city in the country and has the best tacos outside of LA. Its music scene is insane from a top 10 Symphony to Lincoln Hall/Reggies/The Metro and smaller clubs. It has incredible museums, a world renowned aquarium, and a huge amazing lakefront park with a true beach.
Madison is a cool town, UW aside, but Milwaukee is far more of a mini-Chicago than Madison is. Madison is a cool oversized college town like Eugene, Boulder, or Knoxville.
Also, you're definitely far closer to the crime or "unsavory" elements of Madison on a night out on State St or whatnot than you would be to all of the notorious murders/crime when in the near North/near South side of Chicago
+1 on your last paragraph. People (including those in the far burbs) act like Chicago is a battle ground everywhere and it ticks me off. Once you get past kedzie going down lake crime drops dramatically get past Ashland (actually a couple blocks west of there) and you're free to rome around anywhere. Get to Pulaski on North and as long as you don't go south till you hit kedzie you're in the clear. It's not like GD's and Vice Lords and Latin Mings are looming for hipster kids out there let alone the preppy brats in River north and wrigleyville.
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Madison is like mini-Chicago.
Not even close.
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Chicago vies with NYC as the best food city in the country and has the best tacos outside of LA. Its music scene is insane from a top 10 Symphony to Lincoln Hall/Reggies/The Metro and smaller clubs. It has incredible museums, a world renowned aquarium, and a huge amazing lakefront park with a true beach.
Madison is a cool town, UW aside, but Milwaukee is far more of a mini-Chicago than Madison is. Madison is a cool oversized college town like Eugene, Boulder, or Knoxville.
Also, you're definitely far closer to the crime or "unsavory" elements of Madison on a night out on State St or whatnot than you would be to all of the notorious murders/crime when in the near North/near South side of Chicago
I think you guys are taking this a bit far. I didn't put them on the same level. I said mini-Chicago. They are comparable in a lot of ways. OBVIOUSLY, there are a ton of people who think that Chicago is basically God tier to them, and I don't get it.
The restaurant scene in Madison is elite for a city of its size. Don't agree? I'll take you to 10 places in Madison that put some of the 'nice' places in Milwaukee to shame. And I LOVE Milwaukee. I don't even live in Madison.
Saying that Chicago has a true beach if laughable. People swimming in Lake Michigan like they do on any of the coasts? Sure, you can hang out there, and run and bike... but guess where else you can do that. I'll give you the Shedd, but of course, we aren't comparing Madison to Chicago on equal terms.
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Not even close.
I know reading is hard for folks, but do you guys know what the word mini means?
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I think you guys are taking this a bit far. I didn't put them on the same level. I said mini-Chicago. They are comparable in a lot of ways. OBVIOUSLY, there are a ton of people who think that Chicago is basically God tier to them, and I don't get it.
The restaurant scene in Madison is elite for a city of its size. Don't agree? I'll take you to 10 places in Madison that put some of the 'nice' places in Milwaukee to shame. And I LOVE Milwaukee. I don't even live in Madison.
Saying that Chicago has a true beach if laughable. People swimming in Lake Michigan like they do on any of the coasts? Sure, you can hang out there, and run and bike... but guess where else you can do that. I'll give you the Shedd, but of course, we aren't comparing Madison to Chicago on equal terms.
I think I get what you're saying, I used to be one of those god tier people about Chicago. But you don't spend every night at a fine dining establishment and for every decent brewery in Madison there's 3 of equal or better quality. For every ok drunk food there more than a few of equal or better quality. There's more authentic neighborhoods and cuisine in Chicago that are more than that one stand alone Greek or Korean or Indian restaurant in Madison. It's not fair to compare cities of such disproportionate sizes and Madison is charming and lovely though.
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I think I get what you're saying, I used to be one of those god tier people about Chicago. But you don't spend every night at a fine dining establishment and for every decent brewery in Madison there's 3 of equal or better quality. For every ok drunk food there more than a few of equal or better quality. There's more authentic neighborhoods and cuisine in Chicago that are more than that one stand alone Greek or Korean or Indian restaurant in Madison. It's not fair to compare cities of such disproportionate sizes and Madison is charming and lovely though.
And that's all I'm really saying. I'm not putting them even in the same category.
I will say, that I'm pretty sure I've probably spent more time in Chicago than some of you have spent in Madison... except probably ZFB.
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Well as long as everyone is on lockdown, might as well be anywhere else with a similar climate.
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Well as long as everyone is on lockdown, might as well be anywhere else with a similar climate.
Alinea is doing takeout so beg to differ
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Alinea is doing takeout so beg to differ
Plus effing one. Their Easter menu looks insane.
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Madison is like mini-Chicago.
Uh.
No
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I think you guys are taking this a bit far. I didn't put them on the same level. I said mini-Chicago. They are comparable in a lot of ways. OBVIOUSLY, there are a ton of people who think that Chicago is basically God tier to them, and I don't get it.
The restaurant scene in Madison is elite for a city of its size. Don't agree? I'll take you to 10 places in Madison that put some of the 'nice' places in Milwaukee to shame. And I LOVE Milwaukee. I don't even live in Madison.
Saying that Chicago has a true beach if laughable. People swimming in Lake Michigan like they do on any of the coasts? Sure, you can hang out there, and run and bike... but guess where else you can do that. I'll give you the Shedd, but of course, we aren't comparing Madison to Chicago on equal terms.
Dude, you got all them chains in SP... 8-)
I hate madison. Lived here for 15 years. Madison is an insular, closed minded city completely bereft of any awareness of anything outside of the 97 square miles. A lot of people have literally never lived anywhere else. Grew up here, went to UW, stayed after graduation.
Yes there are some nice restaurants. The outdoors are great. I could give F all about the union, monona terrace, concerts on the square, the farmers market.
We are happy with our jobs, house, neighborhood and the kids' school. If not for that, we'd be out of here.
The city claims to be all progressive, yet the racism is horrible. The achievement gap in schools is almost as bad as Milwaukee. The poors get shuffled around to different parts of the city, until some rich people want their neighborhood.
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Madison is more like a mini Austin. College town, state capital, artsy, techie.
Both cool cities. Chicago they are not.
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Dude, you got all them chains in SP... 8-)
I hate madison. Lived here for 15 years. Madison is an insular, closed minded city completely bereft of any awareness of anything outside of the 97 square miles. A lot of people have literally never lived anywhere else. Grew up here, went to UW, stayed after graduation.
Yes there are some nice restaurants. The outdoors are great. I could give F all about the union, monona terrace, concerts on the square, the farmers market.
We are happy with our jobs, house, neighborhood and the kids' school. If not for that, we'd be out of here.
The city claims to be all progressive, yet the racism is horrible. The achievement gap in schools is almost as bad as Milwaukee. The poors get shuffled around to different parts of the city, until some rich people want their neighborhood.
There is a lot I agree with, and a lot I disagree with here as well. I'm very aware of the racial disparity, and the, "Madison Racism" because I frequently make fun of it. But, you're missing the point, I'm not calling it paradise. I'm saying these things make it comparable to Chicago in a lot of ways. And that is the main problem. Obviously, you've seen the common council on tv or clips on the internet... they are the wackiest most unreasonable people there are. I can't criticize anything that is liberal in the city without being called a Republican. And I'm clearly not. I just can see the forest from the trees.
You'll see a lot of young dipsticks here trying to defend Chicago, like it is a city that actually matters. It doesn't. The culture of Chicago? What is that? A city that burned to the ground and was replaced with a grid? Wow. I'm so impressed. It's just a big city in the Midwest that isn't Detroit. But seriously, explain what is awesome about Chicago. Please. Sure, some Jazz roots... but its not NOLA or Memphis. So tell me. Make me love your city. I haven't been able to in the almost 40 years of my life. Its a bunch of neighborhoods that are all very similar. It isn't a world class city. People who act like Chicago is something great... okay, do you send your kids to public school? Have you made a life for yourself there past 30? And when I say this, you can't say that Chicago is great, but you moved to the burbs. Because then your city isn't great. Its a fun place to hang out for the weekend, but its not a great city.
I can't wait for the hate mail on this.
New York City. Compare Chicago to New York. You can't. World class city vs Philadelphia of the Midwest without the History.
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Also, for the record, I would not live in Wisconsin if I was not tied to it financially and maritally. I'm out when my parents and my wife's parents are gone. It's great here like 5 months a year. The same amount its great in Shi-cago.
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Hards ... that's a truly terrible take in defense of a truly terrible take.
A bunch of neighborhoods that are all very similar? Oy...
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There is a lot I agree with, and a lot I disagree with here as well. I'm very aware of the racial disparity, and the, "Madison Racism" because I frequently make fun of it. But, you're missing the point, I'm not calling it paradise. I'm saying these things make it comparable to Chicago in a lot of ways. And that is the main problem. Obviously, you've seen the common council on tv or clips on the internet... they are the wackiest most unreasonable people there are. I can't criticize anything that is liberal in the city without being called a Republican. And I'm clearly not. I just can see the forest from the trees.
You'll see a lot of young dipsticks here trying to defend Chicago, like it is a city that actually matters. It doesn't. The culture of Chicago? What is that? A city that burned to the ground and was replaced with a grid? Wow. I'm so impressed. It's just a big city in the Midwest that isn't Detroit. But seriously, explain what is awesome about Chicago. Please. Sure, some Jazz roots... but its not NOLA or Memphis. So tell me. Make me love your city. I haven't been able to in the almost 40 years of my life. Its a bunch of neighborhoods that are all very similar. It isn't a world class city. People who act like Chicago is something great... okay, do you send your kids to public school? Have you made a life for yourself there past 30? And when I say this, you can't say that Chicago is great, but you moved to the burbs. Because then your city isn't great. Its a fun place to hang out for the weekend, but its not a great city.
I can't wait for the hate mail on this.
New York City. Compare Chicago to New York. You can't. World class city vs Philadelphia of the Midwest without the History.
Lol. Now you’re just trolling. I’m not going to make you love anything. But this whole post screams of ignorance. No one here has claimed Chicago Is more influential than New York City, you’re just moving the goalposts.
I’ll just leave these Here:
https://www.schroders.com/en/insights/economics/london-takes-second-place-in-schroders-global-cities-30-index-despite-brexit-uncertainty/
https://www.lboro.ac.uk/gawc/world2018t.html
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/illinois
https://time.com/3393565/best-museums-trip-advisor/
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Lol. Now you’re just trolling. I’m not going to make you love anything. But this whole post screams of ignorance. No one here has claimed Chicago Is more influential than New York City, you’re just moving the goalposts.
I’ll just leave these Here:
https://www.schroders.com/en/insights/economics/london-takes-second-place-in-schroders-global-cities-30-index-despite-brexit-uncertainty/
https://www.lboro.ac.uk/gawc/world2018t.html
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/illinois
https://time.com/3393565/best-museums-trip-advisor/
I'm not trolling. I was a few beers deep. I love the Field museum, its great. But I mean... Its not the British Museum, MET, Louvre, Uffizi, Museo Vaticani, Smithsonian, Hermitage... etc. (also, your link goes to a page that doesn't have a list of the best museums on trip advisor)
Those schools are a bunch of private schools. Should I be impressed that a bunch of rich people send their kids to private schools in Chicago? I don't get it.
I've been all over the US and Europe, and Chicago has never impressed me. Sure, I've had a good time going out, walking around downtown, at the museums and the parks. But I have never felt like, "Oh this is what people were talking about, what a cool place!" One of the best times I've had was at the Drifter... but a place like that could exist anywhere.
Also, did you seriously post a list that ranked San Jose above Paris? I'm just going to continue to chuckle about that one.
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Those schools are a bunch of private schools. Should I be impressed that a bunch of rich people send their kids to private schools in Chicago? I don't get it.
Hards .... Those are all public schools.
Look, nobody here is saying Chicago has the best everything in the world. Nor should that be the standard of what differentiates a great city from Detroit. If that were the case, there would be no great cities.
So, yeah, the Field isn't the British Museum. But it's still widely regarded as one of the 5-10 best natural history museums in the world.
The Art Institute isn't the Louvre, but it's consistently ranked as one of the world's top 10 art museums.
Same for the Shedd, Adler and Museum of Science and Industry in their categories.
I could list off a dozen more reasons (from its theater scene to its music culture to its food to its architecture), but I'm guessing you know all these things and just want to defend your argument at this point.
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I'm not trolling. I was a few beers deep. I love the Field museum, its great. But I mean... Its not the British Museum, MET, Louvre, Uffizi, Museo Vaticani, Smithsonian, Hermitage... etc. (also, your link goes to a page that doesn't have a list of the best museums on trip advisor)
Those schools are a bunch of private schools. Should I be impressed that a bunch of rich people send their kids to private schools in Chicago? I don't get it.
I've been all over the US and Europe, and Chicago has never impressed me. Sure, I've had a good time going out, walking around downtown, at the museums and the parks. But I have never felt like, "Oh this is what people were talking about, what a cool place!" One of the best times I've had was at the Drifter... but a place like that could exist anywhere.
Also, did you seriously post a list that ranked San Jose above Paris? I'm just going to continue to chuckle about that one.
Those are not a list of private schools so you're clearly talking out of your a$$ here. They are magnet schools, but Lincoln Park still has an area allotment to full fill.
If you're saying each neighborhood is the same then you haven't explored enough. Try going down to Pilsen or up to Little India or little Korea and telling everyone how it's no different than River North. Heck I would like to hear about your experiences at Detroit's "Chinatown" (disclaimer for sultan calling me out for having only been to Detroit twice when I last used that line). Or I'd really like to see you walk into a bar in Beverly and tell them all they're the same as Jefferson park (now that is two Irish Fireman/cop neighborhoods but they'll punch you out of baseball allegiance) But hey according to you they're all the same.
Architecture, Frank Lloyd Wright, Daniel Burnham, Louis Sullivan, etc the remaining buildings of the worlds fair (which you also just completely missed in your bad summary).
Speaking of the cultural remains of the worlds fair, maybe think of Chicago the next time you ride a Ferris wheel in London being in awe of that city. Or next time you take a pi$$ on Chicago then zip up your fly remember that zipper came from here to. Heck for years Milwaukee's crown achievement of PBR was literally only given a platform because of Chicago's world fair. And after you finished your glass of PBR to put it in the dishwasher, that was only given a platform because of the Chicago worlds fair.
Food, more than Chicago deep dish, hot dog and the Italian beef. Were you a fan of Marquette Gyros? Guess what? Not a Greek food, it was invented in Chicago. Speaking of Greek food I've seen them set saganaki on fire all over the country and it was started in Chicago not Greece. Brownies? Chicago. Not going to even get into the ridiculous amount of other sweets invented here.
I brought up beer before but since this is getting to an actual argument Chicago is the nations beer capitol, we have the most breweries. And quite a few of them are tremendously better than the beers you'll find in any other midwestern city.
The drifter is cute but I'm having trouble believing you actually have made it out of the downtown area, next time you're in the city I'd happy give you a list of various breweries or speakeasy style bars.
You rag on the suburbs and I do to, but even some of the suburbs like Evanston Riverside and Oak Park have more culture in themselves than entire midwestern cities. Speaking of Riverside it's likely that whichever suburb you're from was styled after Riverside. It's where driveways were conceived to give a country estate feel to suburbs.
And the field museum is awesome for years it had the most complete big dinosaur in the world (don't know if that's still the case). But you can leave museum campus and science and industry is an equally impressive museum, a little hard to compare one to those others when our highlight museums are split into Natural History and Science & Industry.
Have you made a life for yourself there past 30? And when I say this, you can't say that Chicago is great, but you moved to the burbs. Because then your city isn't great. Its a fun place to hang out for the weekend, but its not a great city.
Edit: I grew up in a decidedly non unique Chicago neighborhood before moving to one of those suburbs that have more culture than most midwestern cities. There's a lot of people who want a bigger house or larger backyard but can't find the dream house in the city. So they pop over to a suburb.
Every American city has suburbs including NYC, and yes some of those people are obnoxious individuals who would say NYC is a dirty overcrowded violent mess. But some are just people who wanted a yard for their kids no different than people around Chicago.
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Hards .... Those are all public schools.
Look, nobody here is saying Chicago has the best everything in the world. Nor should that be the standard of what differentiates a great city from Detroit. If that were the case, there would be no great cities.
So, yeah, the Field isn't the British Museum. But it's still widely regarded as one of the 5-10 best natural history museums in the world.
The Art Institute isn't the Louvre, but it's consistently ranked as one of the world's top 10 art museums.
Same for the Shedd, Adler and Museum of Science and Industry in their categories.
I could list off a dozen more reasons (from its theater scene to its music culture to its food to its architecture), but I'm guessing you know all these things and just want to defend your argument at this point.
I probably should've just waited for a post like this as opposed to typing my essay on my phone lol
Just going to summarize here:
Nobody:
HARDS: "you all think Chicago is the greatest city in the world but these cities that are hundred of years older and bigger are better! Because of that you suck and are bland"
Chicago people: "well yeah we aren't those but we deserve to be recognized as better than bland"
HARDS: "No I hate your city"
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Hards .... Those are all public schools.
Look, nobody here is saying Chicago has the best everything in the world. Nor should that be the standard of what differentiates a great city from Detroit. If that were the case, there would be no great cities.
So, yeah, the Field isn't the British Museum. But it's still widely regarded as one of the 5-10 best natural history museums in the world.
The Art Institute isn't the Louvre, but it's consistently ranked as one of the world's top 10 art museums.
Same for the Shedd, Adler and Museum of Science and Industry in their categories.
I could list off a dozen more reasons (from its theater scene to its music culture to its food to its architecture), but I'm guessing you know all these things and just want to defend your argument at this point.
Sorry, I see preparatory school and I think private, and that's on me.
No, I genuinely want to know why I should love Chicago. Other people do, but I can't put it together.
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Sorry, I see preparatory school and I think private, and that's on me.
No, I genuinely want to know why I should love Chicago. Other people do, but I can't put it together.
Then don't. You don't have to. Live where you want to live for whatever reason you want.
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Those are not a list of private schools so you're clearly talking out of your a$$ here. They are magnet schools, but Lincoln Park still has an area allotment to full fill.
If you're saying each neighborhood is the same then you haven't explored enough. Try going down to Pilsen or up to Little India or little Korea and telling everyone how it's no different than River North. Heck I would like to hear about your experiences at Detroit's "Chinatown" (disclaimer for sultan calling me out for having only been to Detroit twice when I last used that line). Or I'd really like to see you walk into a bar in Beverly and tell them all they're the same as Jefferson park (now that is two Irish Fireman/cop neighborhoods but they'll punch you out of baseball allegiance) But hey according to you they're all the same.
Architecture, Frank Lloyd Wright, Daniel Burnham, Louis Sullivan, etc the remaining buildings of the worlds fair (which you also just completely missed in your bad summary).
Speaking of the cultural remains of the worlds fair, maybe think of Chicago the next time you ride a Ferris wheel in London being in awe of that city. Or next time you take a pi$$ on Chicago then zip up your fly remember that zipper came from here to. Heck for years Milwaukee's crown achievement of PBR was literally only given a platform because of Chicago's world fair. And after you finished your glass of PBR to put it in the dishwasher, that was only given a platform because of the Chicago worlds fair.
Food, more than Chicago deep dish, hot dog and the Italian beef. Were you a fan of Marquette Gyros? Guess what? Not a Greek food, it was invented in Chicago. Speaking of Greek food I've seen them set saganaki on fire all over the country and it was started in Chicago not Greece. Brownies? Chicago. Not going to even get into the ridiculous amount of other sweets invented here.
I brought up beer before but since this is getting to an actual argument Chicago is the nations beer capitol, we have the most breweries. And quite a few of them are tremendously better than the beers you'll find in any other midwestern city.
The drifter is cute but I'm having trouble believing you actually have made it out of the downtown area, next time you're in the city I'd happy give you a list of various breweries or speakeasy style bars.
You rag on the suburbs and I do to, but even some of the suburbs like Evanston Riverside and Oak Park have more culture in themselves than entire midwestern cities. Speaking of Riverside it's likely that whichever suburb you're from was styled after Riverside. It's where driveways were conceived to give a country estate feel to suburbs.
And the field museum is awesome for years it had the most complete big dinosaur in the world (don't know if that's still the case). But you can leave museum campus and science and industry is an equally impressive museum, a little hard to compare one to those others when our highlight museums are split into Natural History and Science & Industry.
Edit: I grew up in a decidedly non unique Chicago neighborhood before moving to one of those suburbs that have more culture than most midwestern cities. There's a lot of people who want a bigger house or larger backyard but can't find the dream house in the city. So they pop over to a suburb.
Every American city has suburbs including NYC, and yes some of those people are obnoxious individuals who would say NYC is a dirty overcrowded violent mess. But some are just people who wanted a yard for their kids no different than people around Chicago.
See, you're still not making me want to even like Chicago. I've seen the buildings, and some of them have character. Also, you'd be right to say that I haven't really been outside of downtown a TON. I've spent time on the north side, of course because that is where my friends all stayed. And that is probably part of the problem. Walking around the North side, it was all very similar.
I don't care about zippers, bro. Every city can hang their hat on something stupid like that. The world's fair? That's neat, but it is hardly a unique feature of Chicago.
As for best breweries. No. There are some good ones, of course, but I know my beer, my dude. When I go to the Great Taste of the Midwest every year, I'm not standing in line for breweries from Chicago. GI, Revolution, Half Acre, Metropolitan. They're all fine breweries. I can get them up here, and outside of some of the BA beers from GI, I've never bought anything from them that I have bought a second time. They're completely unremarkable. Personally, I think MSP has far superior breweries. I know you're going to list some hole in the wall breweries and tell me that I don't know jack squat about Chicago breweries, but if they were truly great breweries I'd have probably heard of them or at least heard of a beer they've made. Now, if you're asking my favorite Chicago brewery, it has to be Off Color. They brought some great stuff to the GTOTM, but I haven't made my way to their tap room yet.
I think we could probably get in this pissing match all day, but I feel like I've hijacked this thread that was supposed to be about Covid in IL waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy too much at this point.
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See, you're still not making me want to even like Chicago. I've seen the buildings, and some of them have character. Also, you'd be right to say that I haven't really been outside of downtown a TON. I've spent time on the north side, of course because that is where my friends all stayed. And that is probably part of the problem. Walking around the North side, it was all very similar.
I don't care about zippers, bro. Every city can hang their hat on something stupid like that. The world's fair? That's neat, but it is hardly a unique feature of Chicago.
As for best breweries. No. There are some good ones, of course, but I know my beer, my dude. When I go to the Great Taste of the Midwest every year, I'm not standing in line for breweries from Chicago. GI, Revolution, Half Acre, Metropolitan. They're all fine breweries. I can get them up here, and outside of some of the BA beers from GI, I've never bought anything from them that I have bought a second time. They're completely unremarkable. Personally, I think MSP has far superior breweries. I know you're going to list some hole in the wall breweries and tell me that I don't know jack squat about Chicago breweries, but if they were truly great breweries I'd have probably heard of them or at least heard of a beer they've made. Now, if you're asking my favorite Chicago brewery, it has to be Off Color. They brought some great stuff to the GTOTM, but I haven't made my way to their tap room yet.
I think we could probably get in this pissing match all day, but I feel like I've hijacked this thread that was supposed to be about Covid in IL waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy too much at this point.
I really don't care about making you love the city. I care about it not being perceived as a bland crap hole. If you're staying around downtown and I'm guessing when you say north side you're talking Wrigleyville and Lincoln park not West Rogers park or Avondale etc. isn't it presumptuous for say all the neighborhoods are the same?
Zippers was in there so I could use the pissing line. I'm aware that every city has something like that. But the worlds fair is a big deal, and at that era it was only considering world class cities. New York desperately wanted it, Paris was preceding it. London has had it. Yes it went downhill over the years but put it context.
Chicago has the most that was factual. But in the interest of not hijacking this about beer like you said I won't argue with you on that front.
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Sorry, I see preparatory school and I think private, and that's on me.
No, I genuinely want to know why I should love Chicago. Other people do, but I can't put it together.
And that's fine. You don't have to love Chicago.
But when you say Chicago is just like any other city in the Midwest, or that all its neighborhoods are very similar, people will call bull---- on that nonsense, because it's so very far from reality.
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I'm not trolling. I was a few beers deep. I love the Field museum, its great. But I mean... Its not the British Museum, MET, Louvre, Uffizi, Museo Vaticani, Smithsonian, Hermitage... etc. (also, your link goes to a page that doesn't have a list of the best museums on trip advisor)
Those schools are a bunch of private schools. Should I be impressed that a bunch of rich people send their kids to private schools in Chicago? I don't get it.
I've been all over the US and Europe, and Chicago has never impressed me. Sure, I've had a good time going out, walking around downtown, at the museums and the parks. But I have never felt like, "Oh this is what people were talking about, what a cool place!" One of the best times I've had was at the Drifter... but a place like that could exist anywhere.
Also, did you seriously post a list that ranked San Jose above Paris? I'm just going to continue to chuckle about that one.
Dude...
Art Institute of Chicago, not the Field
Those are all Chicago PUBLIC schools
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One last thing them im done. I can think of one other city (NYC) in the entire country where you can hear significant amounts of people speaking 10+ native languages other than English without trying too hard. You literally just need to go to a place of worship or grocery store in the right neighborhood and you will hear business being conducted in:
Spanish
Polish
Ukrainian
Tons of different Indian and Pakistani languages
Arabic
Mandarin
Cantonese
Yiddish
Greek
It is one of the things I love most about Chicago
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One last thing them im done. I can think of one other city (NYC) in the entire country where you can hear significant amounts of people speaking 10+ native languages other than English without trying too hard. You literally just need to go to a place of worship or grocery store in the right neighborhood and you will hear business being conducted in:
Spanish
Polish
Ukrainian
Tons of different Indian and Pakistani languages
Arabic
Mandarin
Cantonese
Yiddish
Greek
It is one of the things I love most about Chicago
Yet, that occurs many places in California, Boston, and DC. It isn't unique to Chicago or NYC.
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There are people who can and do appreciate every place, city, etc...that they have lived or visited. And, there are people that "put down" other places in the attempt to prop themselves up. (Spoiler alert: it isn't effective) This isn't location geography specific, as, some people put other things and people and places, down in attempt to prop themselves up. If for some reason someone or some people find themselves around people who do this, my advice is to be around different people. I have never been to a perfect place. Each place is unique to itself. There are good, bad, and indifferent things about every place. People will certainly have personal preferences. But they don't need to have them at the expense of others.
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Worst group of people:
1) Chicago natives with an inferiority complex.
2) Non Chicago natives that think they've discovered Utopia compared to Omaha, Des Moines, etc.
* the true answer is, of course, people from St. Louis.
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One last thing them im done. I can think of one other city (NYC) in the entire country where you can hear significant amounts of people speaking 10+ native languages other than English without trying too hard. You literally just need to go to a place of worship or grocery store in the right neighborhood and you will hear business being conducted in:
Spanish
Polish
Ukrainian
Tons of different Indian and Pakistani languages
Arabic
Mandarin
Cantonese
Yiddish
Greek
It is one of the things I love most about Chicago
Connecticut all over.
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See, you're still not making me want to even like Chicago. I've seen the buildings, and some of them have character. Also, you'd be right to say that I haven't really been outside of downtown a TON. I've spent time on the north side, of course because that is where my friends all stayed. And that is probably part of the problem. Walking around the North side, it was all very similar.
I don't care about zippers, bro. Every city can hang their hat on something stupid like that. The world's fair? That's neat, but it is hardly a unique feature of Chicago.
As for best breweries. No. There are some good ones, of course, but I know my beer, my dude. When I go to the Great Taste of the Midwest every year, I'm not standing in line for breweries from Chicago. GI, Revolution, Half Acre, Metropolitan. They're all fine breweries. I can get them up here, and outside of some of the BA beers from GI, I've never bought anything from them that I have bought a second time. They're completely unremarkable. Personally, I think MSP has far superior breweries. I know you're going to list some hole in the wall breweries and tell me that I don't know jack squat about Chicago breweries, but if they were truly great breweries I'd have probably heard of them or at least heard of a beer they've made. Now, if you're asking my favorite Chicago brewery, it has to be Off Color. They brought some great stuff to the GTOTM, but I haven't made my way to their tap room yet.
I think we could probably get in this pissing match all day, but I feel like I've hijacked this thread that was supposed to be about Covid in IL waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy too much at this point.
You're showing your lack of knowledge to breweries and beer right now. John & Dave do great things at Off Color though but to say the cities are above Chicago is LAUGHABLE!!!!!
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You're showing your lack of knowledge to breweries and beer right now. John & Dave do great things at Off Color though but to say the cities are above Chicago is LAUGHABLE!!!!!
I knew you'd show up to slap me around. But, you do have a bit of a bias here. ;D
Also, I said, "Personally". I'm not sure why this show my lack of knowledge. It was an opinion.
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Connecticut all over.
Extension of NYC, but point taken
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I knew you'd show up to slap me around. But, you do have a bit of a bias here. ;D
Also, I said, "Personally". I'm not sure why this show my lack of knowledge. It was an opinion.
This whole exchange has been pretty funny to me.
People get upset over opinions about anything if it differs from their own. Can't really understand why people want to write long rambling rebuttals just cuz you aren't enamored of a particular city.
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This whole exchange has been pretty funny to me.
People get upset over opinions about anything if it differs from their own. Can't really understand why people want to write long rambling rebuttals just cuz you aren't enamored of a particular city.
It's because I'm a bit of a jerk.
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This whole exchange has been pretty funny to me.
People get upset over opinions about anything if it differs from their own. Can't really understand why people want to write long rambling rebuttals just cuz you aren't enamored of a particular city.
It's one thing to have an opinion when you've properly done a city justice and explored most of it, example: I don't care for Phoenix/Scottsdale. I've been there more times than I can count due to my mom and sister living there and have tried doing a lot down there. But if I were to write off Minneapolis/St Paul because I went up there to visit friends three times and the nightlife was ok but I didn't see anything interesting or unique to me, that being said I was downtown or in eden prairie. Then that would be ridiculous and I'd hope all the locals would get on my case saying I didn't explore the neighborhoods or right spots etc.
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It's one thing to have an opinion when you've properly done a city justice and explored most of it, example: I don't care for Phoenix/Scottsdale. I've been there more times than I can count due to my mom and sister living there and have tried doing a lot down there. But if I were to write off Minneapolis/St Paul because I went up there to visit friends three times and the nightlife was ok but I didn't see anything interesting or unique to me, that being said I was downtown or in eden prairie. Then that would be ridiculous and I'd hope all the locals would get on my case saying I didn't explore the neighborhoods or right spots etc.
Okay, I've been to Chicago at least 40 times. When can I make a judgement? Do I have to explore every city block? Every highlight and lowlight? Plenty of people here called Madison things, but you don't see my defending it like its my child.
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It’s cause your argument has went so completely absurd and over the top. Calling Madison a mini-Chicago got some pushback but some understanding.
Saying you don’t care or like Chicago would get some shrugs. Maybe some arguments why you should.
But saying it’s not a world class or “great” city is just absurd, not rooted facts or in anything but a negative personal opinion, and fires up people who have justified love for their home or current city.
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It's one thing to have an opinion when you've properly done a city justice and explored most of it, example: I don't care for Phoenix/Scottsdale. I've been there more times than I can count due to my mom and sister living there and have tried doing a lot down there. But if I were to write off Minneapolis/St Paul because I went up there to visit friends three times and the nightlife was ok but I didn't see anything interesting or unique to me, that being said I was downtown or in eden prairie. Then that would be ridiculous and I'd hope all the locals would get on my case saying I didn't explore the neighborhoods or right spots etc.
I generally agree with just about all you say Galway, but I'll argue a bit on this one even if your point is well taken.
We don't have to know everything before having an opinion. If Hards doesn't like Chicago, so be it. It has nothing to do with the fact that you love Chicago. You can both be right.
I used to bad mouth NYC, I had never been there and had no desire to ever do so. Once I had to start traveling there for work, I loved Manhattan (our apartment was in Mid-Town just a few blocks from Times Square. After the 1st couple trips, I started taking my wife with me and she would wonder around Manhattan during the day while I was working. Yet some of the people I worked with absolutely hated going there. Just different strokes, man.
So, I had an opinion even before I had ever been there. It changed once I saw the city, but that is irrelevant even though my original opinion was based on no particular knowledge.
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I don't care for Phoenix/Scottsdale.
Finally, something we all should be able to agree on. Phoenix sucks. Unless, of course, you have a real affinity for strip malls. Then it’s totally awesome.
For the record, I used to live there, my parents live there and several siblings live there. And it sucks. Hard.
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Finally, something we all should be able to agree on. Phoenix sucks. Unless, of course, you have a real affinity for strip malls. Then it’s totally awesome.
For the record, I used to live there, my parents live there and several siblings live there. And it sucks. Hard.
I've been once, and that was once too many.
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The largest population of Polish people after Krakow? Chicago.
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The largest population of Polish people after Krakow? Chicago.
Enough to change everyone’s light bulbs?
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The largest population of Polish people after Krakow? Chicago.
I went to a USMNT-Poland friendly atmosphere Soldier Field a number of years ago, and it was insane. Huge flags, flares, POLSKA! POLSKA! chants that were massive. Best yet were the dudes trying to get into verbal and physical altercations with us and other vocal US fans who clearly were born and raised in Portage Park, or the like, complete with pronounced Chicago accents.
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The largest population of Polish people after Krakow? Chicago.
The wife’s babcia and djzadjza are off the boat
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You've not lived polish Chicago till you've been to Bim Bom lounge at Cicero and Belmont
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You've not lived polish Chicago till you've been to Bim Bom lounge at Cicero and Belmont
Do you know Stosh?
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Do you know Stosh?
Only former regular I'd know is Vojtěch S.
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I generally agree with just about all you say Galway, but I'll argue a bit on this one even if your point is well taken.
We don't have to know everything before having an opinion. If Hards doesn't like Chicago, so be it. It has nothing to do with the fact that you love Chicago. You can both be right.
I used to bad mouth NYC, I had never been there and had no desire to ever do so. Once I had to start traveling there for work, I loved Manhattan (our apartment was in Mid-Town just a few blocks from Times Square. After the 1st couple trips, I started taking my wife with me and she would wonder around Manhattan during the day while I was working. Yet some of the people I worked with absolutely hated going there. Just different strokes, man.
So, I had an opinion even before I had ever been there. It changed once I saw the city, but that is irrelevant even though my original opinion was based on no particular knowledge.
I suppose you're right. I believe the few scoopers who know me would happily call me out for my vice of pride. And part of that pride is making sure that everyone stuck on their Chicago opinion based on the "basic" neighborhoods of Chicago get their due.
Cheers jockey, I know we had our one disagreement that got edited out. But if I ever actually do the Sheridan RD brewery crawl to MKE I'd happily meet you for a beer in Racine
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Okay, I've been to Chicago at least 40 times. When can I make a judgement? Do I have to explore every city block? Every highlight and lowlight? Plenty of people here called Madison things, but you don't see my defending it like its my child.
That's sortve my point. It depends on what you make of it right? We previously discussed the neighborhoods you knew of/visited weren't reflecting the entire city but it caused you to judge one of the 25 biggest cities in the world. In my opinion judging a city comes down to the conversations with locals at a pub. If you can go into a pub and defend your opinion of a city with legit reasons then more power to you. If you walk into a local pub say "your city sucks" and then don't have enough data, are giving out false information, and making assumptions... then well I'd consider it incomplete.
Again example: I'm sure there's some locals on here who could tell me something about PHX or Boston I've never done but if we got to chatting they'd realize I'd done many enough of the local and tourist things to form my opinions and I love Boston and again for everyone to agree on: "BOO PHX"
Edit: Local pub does not mean any place the buddies from the old frat that moved to lake view after college went to. Local pub means neighborhood dives from people who either grew there or emigrated to that city for a reason (Pulaski and addison is a great spot to start to test that for you HARDS)
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I hate to bring up an Illinois-related COVID-19 thing in the COVID-19 Illinois thread, because I'm so enjoying the I Hate Chicago/I Love Chicago Showdown, but I did just happen to see this and it cracked me up:
https://www.kmov.com/news/wife-of-alton-mayor-caught-at-party-at-bar-violating-stay-at-home-order-police/article_6f4546a2-7876-11ea-a88d-b38b1bc93183.html
ALTON, Ill. – The wife of Alton Mayor Brant Walker is being cited for allegedly violating Illinois’ stay-at-home order.
Police say she, along with others, were at a party at a bar early Sunday morning when officers broke the event up. Everyone at the party will face a reckless conduct charge.
The best part is the mayor's statement. I'll let y'all read it.
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The wife’s babcia and djzadjza are off the boat
Warzawa is actually the largest. Krakow is my favorite.
My wife and mother-in-law are off the boat.
Chicago has a large population but not the only place.
Greenpoint in Brooklyn.
Wallington New Jersey.
New Britain , better known locally, as New Britski, Connecticut.
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That's sortve my point. It depends on what you make of it right? We previously discussed the neighborhoods you knew of/visited weren't reflecting the entire city but it caused you to judge one of the 25 biggest cities in the world. In my opinion judging a city comes down to the conversations with locals at a pub. If you can go into a pub and defend your opinion of a city with legit reasons then more power to you. If you walk into a local pub say "your city sucks" and then don't have enough data, are giving out false information, and making assumptions... then well I'd consider it incomplete.
Again example: I'm sure there's some locals on here who could tell me something about PHX or Boston I've never done but if we got to chatting they'd realize I'd done many enough of the local and tourist things to form my opinions and I love Boston and again for everyone to agree on: "BOO PHX"
Edit: Local pub does not mean any place the buddies from the old frat that moved to lake view after college went to. Local pub means neighborhood dives from people who either grew there or emigrated to that city for a reason (Pulaski and addison is a great spot to start to test that for you HARDS)
But then can you say you truly even know Milwaukee? Have you spent time in a lot of the neighborhoods?
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Agh! It’s dziadzia and Warszawa, not however they were spelled.
Sorry, it just got to me.
Happy Easter to all.
I happen to love Chicago, and yes, I live in a neighborhood, and my neighbor’s kids went to public school ( I have none) but others don’t have to.
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But then can you say you truly even know Milwaukee? Have you spent time in a lot of the neighborhoods?
Yes, my longtime girlfriend living in Milwaukee since MU, my five yrs at MU, going up to UWM visiting my cousin, volunteering for political campaigns going door to door in Milwaukee area, and visiting my sister up there throughout Jr high and high school. Then there's the having played on the Milwaukee hurling team which brought us to different bars around the city every week games. Given all that I'm confident in my Milwaukee exploration and feel that I could hold my own in a "Milwaukee" conversation at a neighborhood bar.
I'd say the only US cities I could do that are PHX, Boston, Chicago, Milwaukee.
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Haircuts by officials so they look good on tv is not a good look at all. Pritzker has it right, Lightfoot chose to be vain.
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It's because I'm a bit of a jerk.
"Don't sell yourself short Hards, you're a tremendous jerk."
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Haircuts by officials so they look good on tv is not a good look at all. Pritzker has it right, Lightfoot chose to be vain.
Yeah, not a big fan of that at all, especially since she’s fully embraced the “angry auntie” meme and has gone as far as to drive around with her security detail and yell at groups of people to go inside. Rules for thee but not for me.
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Haircuts by officials so they look good on tv is not a good look at all. Pritzker has it right, Lightfoot chose to be vain.
I think that is something that, "all sides" can agree on.
::)
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It's because I'm a bit of a jerk.
At least you're man enough to admit it. We're all in the same boat here and we are all a bit of a jerk at times (except for maybe, Tower - don't know how he can keep such an even keel).
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Agh! It’s dziadzia and Warszawa, not however they were spelled.
Sorry, it just got to me.
Happy Easter to all.
I happen to love Chicago, and yes, I live in a neighborhood, and my neighbor’s kids went to public school ( I have none) but others don’t have to.
My bad. I’m not polish. I knew I’d butcher it
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The largest population of Polish people after Krakow? Chicago.
False:
While New York City has the largest number of Poles of any US city ( 213,447), Chicago is the city with the highest percentage (7.3%) of its population being Polish.
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The internet is full of lots of reading material. For those with time in this COVID-19 world are a few.
Can Chicago Brag about the Size of its Polish Population?
https://www.wbez.org/stories/can-chicago-brag-about-the-size-of-its-polish-population/ef8c74cd-8835-4eb7-8e81-11203e78fc2d
List of U.S. cities with large Polish-American populations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cities_with_large_Polish-American_populations
Polish USA Hotspots
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Polish1346.gif
Polish American Demographics
http://www.ameredia.com/resources/demographics/polish.html
7 Most Polish Cities Outside of Poland
https://culture.pl/en/article/7-most-polish-cities-outside-of-poland
8 Things You Need to Know About Polish Americans
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/20007/8-things-you-need-know-about-polish-americans
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The internet is full of lots of reading material. For those with time in this COVID-19 world are a few.
Can Chicago Brag about the Size of its Polish Population?
https://www.wbez.org/stories/can-chicago-brag-about-the-size-of-its-polish-population/ef8c74cd-8835-4eb7-8e81-11203e78fc2d
List of U.S. cities with large Polish-American populations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cities_with_large_Polish-American_populations
Polish USA Hotspots
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Polish1346.gif
Polish American Demographics
http://www.ameredia.com/resources/demographics/polish.html
7 Most Polish Cities Outside of Poland
https://culture.pl/en/article/7-most-polish-cities-outside-of-poland
8 Things You Need to Know About Polish Americans
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/20007/8-things-you-need-know-about-polish-americans
Agree, and what a strange time we live in, discussing the amazingness of a city based on the number of Polish people. (I am 1/4 Polish).
Edit: and reading about Gyros, which were NOT invented in Chicago.
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Agree, and what a strange time we live in, discussing the amazingness of a city based on the number of Polish people. (I am 1/4 Polish).
Edit: and reading about Gyros, which were NOT invented in Chicago.
Sorry not invented. the Chicagoland area has every major distributor of the meat that restaurants use. Unless you're at a fancy Greek place the gyro meat likely originated here
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Agree, and what a strange time we live in, discussing the amazingness of a city based on the number of Polish people. (I am 1/4 Polish).
1/4 for me too lawdog. Although through osmosis via my wife being an immigrant it feels like much more.
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Sorry not invented. the Chicagoland area has every major distributor of the meat that restaurants use. Unless you're at a fancy Greek place the gyro meat likely originated here
Gotta be good at something, i guess.
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All this Polish talk and I missed:
"Smingus Dingus!!!"
💧☄️💧🌊
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I remember a co-worker got a ticket in Illinois and could reduce the points (or something) by taking a driving/traffic class in either English, Spanish, sign language, or ... Polish.
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The first poll worker passed away from the election we held on March 17th. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-politics/poll-worker-at-chicago-voting-site-dies-of-coronavirus-election-officials-say/2255072/
I'm concerned for Wisconsin's next month since they held the election at near-peak infection. They already had one voter pass away that was asymptomatic when he stood in line.
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Pritzker is cautiously optimistic that we are flattening the curve. The doubling rate is at 8 days, and the rate of hospital and ICU admissions is slowing or holding steady.
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Pritzker is cautiously optimistic that we are flattening the curve. The doubling rate is at 8 days, and the rate of hospital and ICU admissions is slowing or holding steady.
Really good to hear. This cold snap should help. Judging by the number of people outside the past week, people get overly optimistic about hearing that the curve is flattening and don't realize that this means we're at peak infected.
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Really good to hear. This cold snap should help. Judging by the number of people outside the past week, people get overly optimistic about hearing that the curve is flattening and don't realize that this means we're at peak infected.
It was all part of the plan.
(https://scontent-msp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93660236_10221957312671309_4730984735143100416_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=7DSYaIMrwEQAX9Dv8aC&_nc_ht=scontent-msp1-1.xx&oh=7abd0ca736740c651bc7f1de6571c98c&oe=5EBE55B7)
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Really good to hear. This cold snap should help. Judging by the number of people outside the past week, people get overly optimistic about hearing that the curve is flattening and don't realize that this means we're at peak infected.
mmmmm, Cold Snap
(http://d1ynl4hb5mx7r8.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/13090916/samuel_adams_cold_snap.jpg)
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I remember a co-worker got a ticket in Illinois and could reduce the points (or something) by taking a driving/traffic class in either English, Spanish, sign language, or ... Polish.
At the local butcher shop 3 blocks from my house everyone working there speaks Polish - not everyone speaks English. On my walk there I always like to note how it goes from predominantly Spanish signs to Polish in the span of 3 blocks.
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At the local butcher shop 3 blocks from my house everyone working there speaks Polish - not everyone speaks English. On my walk there I always like to note how it goes from predominantly Spanish signs to Polish in the span of 3 blocks.
Do you live between Belmont Craigin and Portage Park?
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Do you live between Belmont Craigin and Portage Park?
Nope, live in Avondale. Kurowski Sausage Shop is my local.
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I was guessing Avondale.
How is Kurowski? My shop where I always got kielbasa for Easter shut down last year.
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Warning: This has nothing to do with being Polish, just COVID and Illinois.
Yesterday, I went thru the medical entrance of a cannabis dispensary and had my forehead scanned. I'm not sure if this process is also being performed on the recreational side, but I "felt" more comfortable going in the store knowing temperatures were being taken.
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Yesterday, I went thru the medical entrance of a cannabis dispensary and had my forehead scanned. I'm not sure if this process is also being performed on the recreational side, but I "felt" more comfortable going in the store knowing temperatures were being taken.
I'm really OK if this becomes the norm at retail establishments. Folks that don't like it - can shop somewhere else.
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I'm really OK if this becomes the norm at retail establishments. Folks that don't like it - can shop somewhere else.
Would be ideal but doesn't help much in the long run when you have so many asymptomatic cases not to mention the 14 day incubation
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Would be ideal but doesn't help much in the long run when you have so many asymptomatic cases not to mention the 14 day incubation
I have to say we need to change our perspective on all of this. To be successful we are going to have to change our view that 'this is will stop this' and move toward 'does this contribute to improved safety'.
Taking temperatures does. Wearing masks on top of not allowing the obviously symptomatic in the store does. hand washing does. etc. etc.
Nothing is going to stop this thing, we just have to hope we can slow it down with a bunch of things so we can go out into the world again (and so people will be comfortable entering the world again).
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I have to say we need to change our perspective on all of this. To be successful we are going to have to change our view that 'this is will stop this' and move toward 'does this contribute to improved safety'.
Taking temperatures does. Wearing masks on top of not allowing the obviously symptomatic in the store does. hand washing does. etc. etc.
Nothing is going to stop this thing, we just have to hope we can slow it down with a bunch of things so we can go out into the world again (and so people will be comfortable entering the world again).
Good point.
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I have to say we need to change our perspective on all of this. To be successful we are going to have to change our view that 'this is will stop this' and move toward 'does this contribute to improved safety'.
Taking temperatures does. Wearing masks on top of not allowing the obviously symptomatic in the store does. hand washing does. etc. etc.
Nothing is going to stop this thing, we just have to hope we can slow it down with a bunch of things so we can go out into the world again (and so people will be comfortable entering the world again).
This is where I'm at too.
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Warning: This has nothing to do with being Polish, just COVID and Illinois.
Yesterday, I went thru the medical entrance of a cannabis dispensary and had my forehead scanned. I'm not sure if this process is also being performed on the recreational side, but I "felt" more comfortable going in the store knowing temperatures were being taken.
I've been wanting to dabble into the local (40 minutes away) dispensary, but the online queue is 100+ from 7am on. Insane.
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A MMJ card allows me to order online and skip a line. They would bring it out to my car, but it seemed like more of a hassle than needed.
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I was guessing Avondale.
How is Kurowski? My shop where I always got kielbasa for Easter shut down last year.
I dig it. People are helpful. Prices are good. Food as outstanding.
There is also Alex Super Deli a block further north on Milwaukee.
http://www.alexdeliwholesale.com/ (http://www.alexdeliwholesale.com/)
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I've been wanting to dabble into the local (40 minutes away) dispensary, but the online queue is 100+ from 7am on. Insane.
Where TF you live, Iowa?
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I have to say we need to change our perspective on all of this. To be successful we are going to have to change our view that 'this is will stop this' and move toward 'does this contribute to improved safety'.
Taking temperatures does. Wearing masks on top of not allowing the obviously symptomatic in the store does. hand washing does. etc. etc.
Nothing is going to stop this thing, we just have to hope we can slow it down with a bunch of things so we can go out into the world again (and so people will be comfortable entering the world again).
Superbly stated.
In some of the debates/discussions all of us have had on this, I probably would be seen as one who leans to the side of caution/safety. But we are NEVER going to find anything that cures this 100%, contains this 100%, ensures that not a single person will die, etc.
Eventually, we have to open the country back up.
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Where TF you live, Iowa?
About 40 minutes northwest of Rise Mundelein.
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The state has asked the federal government to bail out our already terribly managed pension. The pension crisis here is a disaster of unfunded liabilities and promises before the virus. This will not be the first request by states, but the ones already in turmoil will use it as a way to erase their sins.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/business/dealbook/illinois-pension-coronavirus.html
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The state has asked the federal government to bail out our already terribly managed pension. The pension crisis here is a disaster of unfunded liabilities and promises before the virus. This will not be the first request by states, but the ones already in turmoil will use it as a way to erase their sins.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/business/dealbook/illinois-pension-coronavirus.html
Good.
Joe six-pack deserves his bailout too.
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Good.
Joe six-pack deserves his bailout too.
Maybe we should be wiser with our promises to all people in pension funds. Without this virus, the pension system was already in full destruction mode. Only New Jersey has a bigger problem. Sunny projections each budgeting session that are rarely funded. This problem goes back to the teens of the 1900's here - 100 years of insolvency for the most part.
Asking other Americans throughout the country to bail us out here is not going to over well.
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The state has asked the federal government to bail out our already terribly managed pension. The pension crisis here is a disaster of unfunded liabilities and promises before the virus. This will not be the first request by states, but the ones already in turmoil will use it as a way to erase their sins.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/business/dealbook/illinois-pension-coronavirus.html
Not entirely accurate. The Senate President went a little rogue on this asking on his own - not on behalf of the State since that is the Governor's prerogative - for this additional financial assistance.
https://capitolfax.com/2020/04/18/despite-harmon-letter-pritzker-has-not-asked-feds-for-pension-aid/
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Maybe we should be wiser with our promises to all people in pension funds. Without this virus, the pension system was already in full destruction mode. Only New Jersey has a bigger problem. Sunny projections each budgeting session that are rarely funded. This problem goes back to the teens of the 1900's here - 100 years of insolvency for the most part.
Asking other Americans throughout the country to bail us out here is not going to over well.
Everyone at the top gets their bailout. Joe six-pack deserves his after he's done so much for others.
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Everyone at the top gets their bailout. Joe six-pack deserves his after he's done so much for others.
Heroic and essential. Until you mention pensions. Then socialistic leeches.
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With a little luck, COVID will help out with those pesky pensioners.
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Maybe we should be wiser with our promises to all people in pension funds.
Or maybe "we" shouldn't have spent a couple of decades diverting pension contributions into pork projects that enrich our major campaign donors.
It's like you're not even trying anymore.
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Why doesn't Pritzker just assign Coach Ditka to punch da virus outta da state?
My friends.
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Maybe we should be wiser with our promises to all people in pension funds. Without this virus, the pension system was already in full destruction mode. Only New Jersey has a bigger problem. Sunny projections each budgeting session that are rarely funded. This problem goes back to the teens of the 1900's here - 100 years of insolvency for the most part.
Asking other Americans throughout the country to bail us out here is not going to over well.
Agree on the argument that Illinois overspends and needs to get its house in order.
In regards to asking other Americans to pay, there are about 5 states that pay more to federal gov and get less back. So out of 50 states, 5 can complain.
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Agree on the argument that Illinois overspends and needs to get its house in order.
In regards to asking other Americans to pay, there are about 5 states that pay more to federal gov and get less back. So out of 50 states, 5 can complain.
And Illinois is one of those states that pays more in taxes then we get back.
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And Illinois is one of those states that pays more in taxes then we get back.
Exactly my point. Other than California, Texas, New York, and a few others, we are subsidizing the rest.
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Exactly my point. Other than California, Texas, New York, and a few others, we are subsidizing the rest.
Thank you for your service.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/illinois-reportedly-organized-secret-flights-bringing-masks-from-china-2020-4?fbclid=IwAR2vF-Xo0SQEGk6jAgUunHD92LuswGj9c086jMQbTuZILjdsbrfwwsNcdqM
Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker organized secret flights bringing millions of masks and gloves to the state from China on charter jets in an effort to bypass potential Trump administration efforts to seize the products, The Chicago Sun-Times reported.
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Thank you for your service.
Thanks for the snark but I was not the one who stated that it isn't fair for the rest of the country to assist Illinois. Was just stating the facts.
If we all wanted every state to be break-even where would that leave Mississippi, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Kentucky, et al?
Let's not pretend state welfare has not been happening for years.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/illinois-reportedly-organized-secret-flights-bringing-masks-from-china-2020-4?fbclid=IwAR2vF-Xo0SQEGk6jAgUunHD92LuswGj9c086jMQbTuZILjdsbrfwwsNcdqM
Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker organized secret flights bringing millions of masks and gloves to the state from China on charter jets in an effort to bypass potential Trump administration efforts to seize the products, The Chicago Sun-Times reported.
Wise. Sad that is what it has come to.
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Thanks for the snark but I was not the one who stated that it isn't fair for the rest of the country to assist Illinois. Was just stating the facts.
If we all wanted every state to be break-even where would that leave Mississippi, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Kentucky, et al?
Let's not pretend state welfare has not been happening for years.
Oh, I'm aware it has. I was being ironic. The bumpkins in the taker states (MS, LA, OK, NM, et al.) rail against welfare and then take the hand outs. A bunch of failed states without being propped up by the 'elites'. They're a bunch of hypocrites, but that is a different discussion for a different day.
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Oh, I'm aware it has. I was being ironic. The bumpkins in the taker states (MS, LA, OK, NM, et al.) rail against welfare and then take the hand outs. A bunch of failed states without being propped up by the 'elites'. They're a bunch of hypocrites, but that is a different discussion for a different day.
My apologies I missed the irony.
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My apologies I missed the irony.
Well, it was a pretty crummy attempt, so I don't blame you. I blame me. ;D
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Agree on the argument that Illinois overspends and needs to get its house in order.
In regards to asking other Americans to pay, there are about 5 states that pay more to federal gov and get less back. So out of 50 states, 5 can complain.
It comes down to being honest in assumptions and setting that funding accordingly and the mess we find ourselves in here would have been addressed years ago.
The pay in vs pay out by states depends how it is done. Are only tax receipts used or are other factors? An an example, federal monies going to Florida for Federal highway helps Florida but it also helps trucking / commerce for the entire region. Some of these states are the backbone of our military and receive funding for bases. Illinois, is an example that does not fit that criteria in comparison to a Florida, Georgia or other states that receive more money. If national defense is important, the bases have to be built somewhere and warmer weather allows for more training hours and less wear and tear on the equipment.
We live in a progressive country when it comes to taxes. The poorer states will receive more just as the poorer citizens will on a percentage of what they pay in.
At issue here is around knowingly promising pensions for years on end that never had a chance and were baked in falsehoods. That is our pensions system here.
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It comes down to being honest in assumptions and setting that funding accordingly and the mess we find ourselves in here would have been addressed years ago.
The pay in vs pay out by states depends how it is done. Are only tax receipts used or are other factors? An an example, federal monies going to Florida for Federal highway helps Florida but it also helps trucking / commerce for the entire region. Some of these states are the backbone of our military and receive funding for bases. Illinois, is an example that does not fit that criteria in comparison to a Florida, Georgia or other states that receive more money. If national defense is important, the bases have to be built somewhere and warmer weather allows for more training hours and less wear and tear on the equipment.
We live in a progressive country when it comes to taxes. The poorer states will receive more just as the poorer citizens will on a percentage of what they pay in.
At issue here is around knowingly promising pensions for years on end that never had a chance and were baked in falsehoods. That is our pensions system here.
Under every metric Illinois is a universal payee to the fed. Whether it's funding to the state or direct benefits residents receive from the federal government - IL pays more out than it gets back.
Honestly why is it IL pays for hurricane relief in the south when they don't way for snow removal? If you're going to live in hurricane country, stuffs going to get messed up.
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It comes down to being honest in assumptions and setting that funding accordingly and the mess we find ourselves in here would have been addressed years ago.
The pay in vs pay out by states depends how it is done. Are only tax receipts used or are other factors? An an example, federal monies going to Florida for Federal highway helps Florida but it also helps trucking / commerce for the entire region. Some of these states are the backbone of our military and receive funding for bases. Illinois, is an example that does not fit that criteria in comparison to a Florida, Georgia or other states that receive more money. If national defense is important, the bases have to be built somewhere and warmer weather allows for more training hours and less wear and tear on the equipment.
We live in a progressive country when it comes to taxes. The poorer states will receive more just as the poorer citizens will on a percentage of what they pay in.
At issue here is around knowingly promising pensions for years on end that never had a chance and were baked in falsehoods. That is our pensions system here.
So to summarize: the metrics used by the GAO are wrong that Illinois citizens pay $20 billion more per year in taxes to Fed than they receive. And since IL politicians lied, IL citizens do not deserve any assistance from the Federal government presuming argument being morale moral hazard then every state would overspend and expect a bailout from Fed government?
Edit: fixed morale hazard to moral hazard. Well that definitely was Freudian. :D
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So to summarize: the metrics used by the GAO are wrong that Illinois citizens pay $20 billion more per year in taxes to Fed than they receive. And since IL politicians lied, IL citizens do not deserve any assistance from the Federal government presuming argument being morale hazard then every state would overspend and expect a bailout from Fed government?
You must admit, it's a very Chicosian line of thinking.
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The pay in vs pay out by states depends how it is done. Are only tax receipts used or are other factors? An an example, federal monies going to Florida for Federal highway helps Florida but it also helps trucking / commerce for the entire region. Some of these states are the backbone of our military and receive funding for bases. Illinois, is an example that does not fit that criteria in comparison to a Florida, Georgia or other states that receive more money. If national defense is important, the bases have to be built somewhere and warmer weather allows for more training hours and less wear and tear on the equipment.
Naval Station Great Lakes near North Chicago is the Navy's only boot camp, pumping out about 40,000 sailors a year.
Surprised a Chicago guy wouldn't be aware of this.
As for transportation, between O'Hare (#1 or #2 in passenger traffic, #4 in cargo), its central location and its status as the freight train capital of the U.S., you'd have a hard time arguing Illinois isn't at least as important, if not important, to commerce in this country than a place like Florida.
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Naval Station Great Lakes near North Chicago is the Navy's only boot camp, pumping out about 40,000 sailors a year.
Surprised a Chicago guy wouldn't be aware of this.
As for transportation, between O'Hare (#1 or #2 in passenger traffic, #4 in cargo), its central location and its status as the freight train capital of the U.S., you'd have a hard time arguing Illinois isn't at least as important, if not important, to commerce in this country than a place like Florida.
Are you not familiar with chico's?
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Are you not familiar with chico's?
He's aware, he subtlety pointed out that a Chicago guy would know things about Chicago. ;)
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He's aware, he subtlety pointed out that a Chicago guy would know things about Chicago. ;)
No, I mean re the part I bolded, "you'd have a hard time arguing". It was a joke. Apparently not a very good one. :)
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No, I mean re the part I bolded, "you'd have a hard time arguing". It was a joke. Apparently not a very good one. :)
Well it would help if I had saw that. lol
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Or maybe "we" shouldn't have spent a couple of decades diverting pension contributions into pork projects that enrich our major campaign donors.
It's like you're not even trying anymore.
We agree. We should not have done that. Both sides. And knowing that we have done it for so many years here is why the constituents were so skeptical of any reform efforts or new promises. They are based on false premises.
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So to summarize: the metrics used by the GAO are wrong that Illinois citizens pay $20 billion more per year in taxes to Fed than they receive. And since IL politicians lied, IL citizens do not deserve any assistance from the Federal government presuming argument being morale moral hazard then every state would overspend and expect a bailout from Fed government?
Edit: fixed morale hazard to moral hazard. Well that definitely was Freudian. :D
No, not wrong, but incomplete and the methodology is important. If purely using tax dollars received and spent, the GAO is correct.
The arguments here come from the same old cast of characters. Red states vs blue states. Are we not all Americans? Having lived in red states and blue states during my lifetime it would be nice to view it that way.
Here are some for instances on why the methodology above is incomplete, but feeds into the takers and donators arguing which side is better.
Should we have a nuclear arsenal as a deterrent against others like Russia? Is it unfair that billions of dollars over the years have gone to build silos in Kansas, South Dakota, North Dakota, Wyoming, Montana? All are red states. They were chosen because they are in the middle of the country and sparsely populated. They give less (actually Wyoming is a net giver) than others, but the benefit they received protects all of us.
Should we have a national strategic petroleum reserve to buttress against OPEC or other energy scenarios? Is it unfair that billions of dollars over the years have gone to Louisiana to build underground storage? A red state (I think, though it has Democrat Governor and legislature a good amount of the time) that was chosen because of the salt caverns there that are environmentally needed for such a task. Doesn't that benefit all of us even though Lousiana isn't giving as much in taxes to the federal gov't?
Should we have a space program? Why does California, Texas and Florida get most of the benefits?
I am not against the pension bailout my state is seeking because of the workers. I am against the corruption in this state that led to its insolvency long before COVID 19 came into existence. We don't do enough to stop the repeated mistakes that require our children to should the load for others actions.
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The arguments here come from the same old cast of characters. Red states vs blue states. Are we not all Americans? Having lived in red states and blue states during my lifetime it would be nice to view it that way.
Here are some for instances on why the methodology above is incomplete, but feeds into the takers and donators arguing which side is better.
You are the one who stated the rest of the country would not like a bailout. All of a sudden now we all need to pull together and ignore the money aspect.
So confused. I guess we can at least agree that Illinois needs to get their house in order. I would love if a Fed bailout included a condition that IL had to have a balance budget and if we didn't like it no $$.
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Anyone else surprised J.B. is waiting to extend the stay at home order? I mean it's getting to the point where waiting is going to make a worse reaction.
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Anyone else surprised J.B. is waiting to extend the stay at home order? I mean it's getting to the point where waiting is going to make a worse reaction.
I hear it may be coming Friday.
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In seriousness, what is the benefit to "early" extensions?
I think there's a good case for .. releasing metrics .. then 3-4 days before the Q is up, release the performance vs. those metrics and regretfully extend the Q.
Although (if I were a Gov) .. I would also release metrics for "low risk" businesses and activities and then release a list of those as well -- with a caveat: If you are a high-risk person, do not go out, do not let your immediate family go out.
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I hear it may be coming Friday.
I think that's just asking for bad PR. I mean inside 10 days people are thinking "I can see the light at the end of the tunnel" last week people would've thought "yeah figured it'd be extended" but waiting 6 days before to extend it again? Uncool.
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I think that's just asking for bad PR. I mean inside 10 days people are thinking "I can see the light at the end of the tunnel" last week people would've thought "yeah figured it'd be extended" but waiting 6 days before to extend it again? Uncool.
I disagree. Explain the process, the transparency, the data. Certainly, telegraph what is likely to happen: extension. "I wish we were in a different place, I suspect we'll need to extend and we'll do that a week before, and the extension will be limited to 14 days and we'll look at fresh data at that time."
.. I'm also not a fan of looking at events in 4-5-6 months and cancelling them. There's a lot of game left. -- Frankly, I suspect every week that goes by past ~May, 3-5% of the population is going to start living their lives again, consequences be damned.
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With earnings season there is going to be a ton of bad news dropping at Friday EoB. I think the Illinois extension will get lost in the shuffle of the rest of the things people are reeling from.
Lightfoot said today that we're unlikely to hit our peak until mid-May, so I wouldn't be surprised by an end-of-May extension.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/mcconnell-says-he-favors-allowing-states-to-declare-bankruptcy
So .. Illinois could declare bankruptcy and .. then what? The pension problems can be erased?
Did .. Detroit try this years ago?
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The most important word there is McConnell.
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The most important word there is McConnell.
The most important word not there is Constitution.
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Coincidence?
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The most important word there is McConnell.
If I were the GOP I might have chosen a Texan to make these comments. Talking about cost to the US taxpayer from someone from a state that gets subsidized to the tune of $13 billion a year may fool the average Joe who knows nothing about economics, but no one else.
And if you use his home state (AL) that is $30 billion a year in cost.
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If I were the GOP I might have chosen a Texan to make these comments. Talking about cost to the US taxpayer from someone from a state that gets subsidized to the tune of $13 billion a year may fool the average Joe who knows nothing about economics, but no one else.
And if you use his home state (AL) that is $30 billion a year in cost.
As someone else mentioned somewhere else, a lot of military in KY. That skews the number somewhat. Plus, the absolute poverty of Appalachia gets a lot of government aid.
If anyone is ever looking for a charity to support, the Christian Appalachian Project is an amazing charity doing a lot of good in eastern KY.
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As someone else mentioned somewhere else, a lot of military in KY. That skews the number somewhat. Plus, the absolute poverty of Appalachia gets a lot of government aid.
If anyone is ever looking for a charity to support, the Christian Appalachian Project is an amazing charity doing a lot of good in eastern KY.
Military barely moves the needle. The Fed rakes in nearly $12,900 per person in Illinois versus $7,780 in Kentucky. And yet they spend more per person in Kentucky than Illinois.
Like I said, If I Texan would have made the comment, fare dinkum as the Australians would say. Kentucky? Not so much.
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may fool the average Joe who knows nothing about economics, but no one else.
So, 94% of Americans?
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Illinois opening April 30th.
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Illinois opening April 30th.
Where did you see this? I haven't seen anything in the news.
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Illinois opening April 30th.
No way.
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Illinois opening April 30th.
Maybe golf.
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There is an antibody test to see if you have already had COVID-19 available to anyone who wants one in Chicago at Fullerton and Ashland. Out of pocket cost is $275.
https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/lincoln-park-facility-among-the-first-to-offer-testing-for-coronavirus-antibodies/
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There is an antibody test to see if you have already had COVID-19 available to anyone who wants one in Chicago at Fullerton and Ashland. Out of pocket cost is $275.
https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/lincoln-park-facility-among-the-first-to-offer-testing-for-coronavirus-antibodies/ (https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/lincoln-park-facility-among-the-first-to-offer-testing-for-coronavirus-antibodies/)
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/04/22/colorado-antibody-testing-national-jewish/ (https://www.denverpost.com/2020/04/22/colorado-antibody-testing-national-jewish/)
$94 bucks in Denver! You could probably fly to Denver on an empty flight for the fun of it.
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Illinois opening April 30th.
Right now the rumor is Pritzker is going to extend stay at home until the end of May. He did say they were looking at adjustments and some of the changes might depend on geography.
Where did you get this crap from?
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You are the one who stated the rest of the country would not like a bailout. All of a sudden now we all need to pull together and ignore the money aspect.
So confused. I guess we can at least agree that Illinois needs to get their house in order. I would love if a Fed bailout included a condition that IL had to have a balance budget and if we didn't like it no $$.
My comment was the rest of the country would not be happy about bailing out pension funds that were in severe distress long before COVID happened. The distress is worsened by COVID, but it was there long before because of the decisions both sides made in this state for years.
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Pritzker just extended the stay-at-home order until May 30, but may be easing some restrictions (re-opening state parks, allowing retail stores to offer pickup and delivery, hospitals can resume elective procedues, among them).
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Adding a mask requirement that Lightfoot openly said she will not enforce. Interesting
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Adding a mask requirement that Lightfoot openly said she will not enforce. Interesting
Clearly wanting to be more like NYC with their Mayor vs Governor power struggle.
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Golf courses reopening May 1.
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A few weeks back we had a day of mid 70’s. When temps start to warm up the push to reopen will get stronger in my view. Waiting until Memorial Day will lead to a sizable portion of people ignoring the edict. Anyone with twenty somethings can tell you they are ready to jump out windows.
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My 20 something is the lead therapist in a COVID recovery unit. Too mentally frazzled to climb the walls.
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Adding a mask requirement that Lightfoot openly said she will not enforce. Interesting
As long as I can get a haircut soon like she did. That is my first order of business. Will barbers be open?
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My 20 something is the lead therapist in a COVID recovery unit. Too mentally frazzled to climb the walls.
He or she is one of the heroes in all of this.
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I am aware.
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As long as I can get a haircut soon like she did. That is my first order of business. Will barbers be open?
You seem to really care about her haircut, whereas most everyone else has moved along. It obviously wasn't the best look, but really why do you care?? You still hung up on Obama's tan suit too??
If it's that important to you and it'll be your first order of business, why don't you just have a barber come to your house? Where in the city are you? I'm sure there are some that are doing under the radar house calls.
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Funeral home personnel doing lots of haircuts.
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As long as I can get a haircut soon like she did. That is my first order of business. Will barbers be open?
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I think the new order seems sensible and doable. Looking forward to social distancing on the links soon to at least get some morning walks in.
Here are the details of Pritzker’s new stay at home order, which goes into effect May 1:
OUTDOOR RECREATION: State parks will begin a phased re-opening under guidance from the Department of Natural Resources. Fishing and boating in groups of no more than two people will be permitted. A list of parks that will be open on May 1 and additional guidelines can be found on the Illinois Department of Natural Resources website. Golf will be permitted under strict safety guidelines provided by the Illinois Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunity (DCEO) and when ensuring that social distancing is followed.
NEW ESSENTIAL BUSINESSES: Greenhouses, garden centers and nurseries may re-open as essential businesses. These stores must follow social distancing requirements and must require that employees and customers wear a face covering. Animal grooming services may also re-open.
NON-ESSENTIAL RETAIL: Retail stores not designated as non-essential businesses and operations may re-open to fulfill telephone and online orders through pick-up outside the store and delivery.
FACE COVERINGS: Beginning on May 1, individuals will be required to wear a face-covering or a mask when in a public place where they can’t maintain a six-foot social distance. Face-coverings will be required in public indoor spaces, such as stores. This new requirement applies to all individuals over the age of two who are able to medically tolerate a face-covering or a mask.
ESSENTIAL BUSINESSES AND MANUFACTURING: Essential businesses and manufacturers will be required to provide face-coverings to all employees who are not able to maintain six-feet of social distancing, as well as follow new requirements that maximize social distancing and prioritize the well-being of employees and customers. This will include occupancy limits for essential businesses and precautions such as staggering shifts and operating only essential lines for manufacturers.
SCHOOLS: Educational institutions may allow and establish procedures for pick-up of necessary supplies or student belongings. Dormitory move-outs must follow public health guidelines, including social distancing.
SURGERY CENTERS: The Illinois Department of Public Health will also be issuing guidance to surgi-centers and hospitals to allow for certain elective surgeries for non-life-threatening conditions, starting on May 1. Facilities will need to meet specific criteria, including proper PPE, ensuring enough overall space for COVID-19 patients remains available, and testing of elective surgery patients to ensure COVID-19 negative status.
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Thanks for the update Chili. A glimmer of hope at least.
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Seems reasonable. I expect the other Midwestern governors to have similar guidelines soon.
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A few weeks back we had a day of mid 70’s. When temps start to warm up the push to reopen will get stronger in my view. Waiting until Memorial Day will lead to a sizable portion of people ignoring the edict. Anyone with twenty somethings can tell you they are ready to jump out windows.
Could be the opposite. Getting outside on a nice day is a great way to free up your mind and feel "social" by seeing all the other people outside. I've had plenty of chats with people out on walks - at distances >6 ft - and it's not so awful. I think when the weather is bad - people are more likely to go over to a friends house to visit.
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Could be the opposite. Getting outside on a nice day is a great way to free up your mind and feel "social" by seeing all the other people outside. I've had plenty of chats with people out on walks - at distances >6 ft - and it's not so awful. I think when the weather is bad - people are more likely to go over to a friends house to visit.
This. With nice weather I can play a yard game with friends from a distance or sit across the yard and still feel like we're having beers together. Inside will drive people mad with zoom happy hours etc.
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Could be the opposite. Getting outside on a nice day is a great way to free up your mind and feel "social" by seeing all the other people outside. I've had plenty of chats with people out on walks - at distances >6 ft - and it's not so awful. I think when the weather is bad - people are more likely to go over to a friends house to visit.
Except that there are no family reunions, no summer vacations, no festivals, no beach or lake time...most of the fun stuff you do in the summer, you do with other people.
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Except that there are no family reunions, no summer vacations, no festivals, no beach or lake time...most of the fun stuff you do in the summer, you do with other people.
Family reunions are fun?
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Family reunions are fun?
Depends on the family.
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Right now the rumor is Pritzker is going to extend stay at home until the end of May. He did say they were looking at adjustments and some of the changes might depend on geography.
Where did you get this crap from?
Sorry about the “crap”. I made a mistake, misread a text from a friend. Do you want me shot, arrested or will this admission of error and the resulting public shaming be satisfactory?
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Sorry about the “crap”. I made a mistake, misread a text from a friend. Do you want me shot, arrested or will this admission of error and the resulting public shaming be satisfactory?
Personally I want you to eat a dozen red delicious apples and have a backyard beer summit with Warriordad
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Personally I want you to eat a dozen red delicious apples and have a backyard beer summit with Warriordad
Frenns
You are cold and cruel. But I did LOL.
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Except that there are no family reunions, no summer vacations, no festivals, no beach or lake time...most of the fun stuff you do in the summer, you do with other people.
Clearly, you like being around people way more than me! I can't see any reason a family, or even small groups of friends couldn't enjoy a beach or lake. Bike rides, camping, sitting around a fire. All can be done easily
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Living very close to the state line in Illinois and working in Wisconsin, this is going to be interesting. Illinois seemingly ratcheting up efforts with mask requirement and Wisconsin softening a bit.
One size fits all answers to entire states has to change in the near future right?
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Sorry about the “crap”. I made a mistake, misread a text from a friend. Do you want me shot, arrested or will this admission of error and the resulting public shaming be satisfactory?
I wish the public shaming was enough but you'll also need to rewatch the 2005 Marquette-Western Michigan NIT matchup in full.
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I wish the public shaming was enough but you'll also need to rewatch the 2005 Marquette-Western Michigan NIT matchup in full.
You are an evil, evil man.
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I wish the public shaming was enough but you'll also need to rewatch the 2005 Marquette-Western Michigan NIT matchup in full.
That is merciless. But making him re-watch the 2003 Kansas game would be worse.
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I wish the public shaming was enough but you'll also need to rewatch the 2005 Marquette-Western Michigan NIT matchup in full.
That was a mercy kill.
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So to bring our polish talk and covid talk together apparently the polish military's medical corps are in Chicago to help fight the virus?
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So to bring our polish talk and covid talk together apparently the polish military's medical corps are in Chicago to help fight the virus?
How many? ;D ;D ;D
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https://www.nationalguard.mil/News/Article/2163391/polish-military-medical-team-joins-illinois-virus-response/
Nice catch Galway.
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https://www.nationalguard.mil/News/Article/2163391/polish-military-medical-team-joins-illinois-virus-response/
Nice catch Galway.
Dobrze!
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Living very close to the state line in Illinois and working in Wisconsin, this is going to be interesting. Illinois seemingly ratcheting up efforts with mask requirement and Wisconsin softening a bit.
One size fits all answers to entire states has to change in the near future right?
Why are you living in Illinois? Serious question.
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Why are you living in Illinois? Serious question.
Not everyone abandons ship as easily as others.
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Downstate judge just ruled against the extension.
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Downstate judge just ruled against the extension.
Appeal is already in process.
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Appeal is already in process.
Also, the ruling is a temporary restraining order that applies only to the plaintiff, not the entire state
If it somehow survives the appellate court, it won't be upheld by the state Supreme Court.
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My former town just announced they will not be opening their water park this season.
No unemployment benefits for all those kids who won't have summer jobs.
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My former town just announced they will not be opening their water park this season.
No unemployment benefits for all those kids who won't have summer jobs.
Thanks Helen Lovejoy.
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Thanks Helen Lovejoy.
You have apparently never spent a summer with a 15-year-old boy that had nothing to do.
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Not everyone abandons ship as easily as others.
The one good thing about hitting yourself in the head with a hammer?
It feels so good when you stop.
Escape. ASAP.
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You have apparently never spent a summer with a 15-year-old boy that had nothing to do.
Time to explore the metra or pace system and get adventurous
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The one good thing about hitting yourself in the head with a hammer?
It feels so good when you stop.
Escape. ASAP.
I know the numbers. They don’t outweigh family, personal friendships, community development and my kids’ friends.
I certainly won’t find a similar property anywhere in a over-saturated Kenosha County market. Unless I’m moving to Town of Paris, property taxes are within 15% of similar properties.
Those alone aren’t worth the couple thousand in tax savings. If we start talking tens of thousands, I would be concerned. Until then, not even close to worth it.
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You have apparently never spent a summer with a 15-year-old boy that had nothing to do.
Jewels needs baggers, badly. No excuses.
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I know the numbers. They don’t outweigh family, personal friendships, community development and my kids’ friends.
I certainly won’t find a similar property anywhere in a over-saturated Kenosha County market. Unless I’m moving to Town of Paris, property taxes are within 15% of similar properties.
Those alone aren’t worth the couple thousand in tax savings. If we start talking tens of thousands, I would be concerned. Until then, not even close to worth it.
I get it - lived in Illinois (and mostly loved it) for 61 of my first 68 years, raised all four of my kids there and still have many good friends there. But with my kids/grandkids scattered around the world, we finally pulled the trigger 3 years ago. Great memories but no regrets.
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I get it - lived in Illinois (and mostly loved it) for 61 of my first 68 years, raised all four of my kids there and still have many good friends there. But with my kids/grandkids scattered around the world, we finally pulled the trigger 3 years ago. Great memories but no regrets.
Thanks Lenny. It's not horrible living like certain people make it out to be.
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I know the numbers. They don’t outweigh family, personal friendships, community development and my kids’ friends.
I certainly won’t find a similar property anywhere in a over-saturated Kenosha County market. Unless I’m moving to Town of Paris, property taxes are within 15% of similar properties.
Those alone aren’t worth the couple thousand in tax savings. If we start talking tens of thousands, I would be concerned. Until then, not even close to worth it.
Yup. Maybe there were deals to be had in Kenosha County 5 years ago, but I live in Lake County and taxes and home prices in Kenosha are similar...with way worse schools. I'm good.
If I am trying to decide between Libertyville High School, Stevenson HS, Lake Forest HS, etc. or Kenosha Tremper....pretty easy choice.
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Yup. Maybe there were deals to be had in Kenosha County 5 years ago, but I live in Lake County and taxes and home prices in Kenosha are similar...with way worse schools. I'm good.
If I am trying to decide between Libertyville High School, Stevenson HS, Lake Forest HS, etc. or Kenosha Tremper....pretty easy choice.
Actually, Kenosha Unified isn't that bad when compared to other districts in Racine and Milwaukee. But still no where near Libertyville or Lake Forest.
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Yup. Maybe there were deals to be had in Kenosha County 5 years ago, but I live in Lake County and taxes and home prices in Kenosha are similar...with way worse schools. I'm good.
If I am trying to decide between Libertyville High School, Stevenson HS, Lake Forest HS, etc. or Kenosha Tremper....pretty easy choice.
You can do better west of the I in terms of schools, but the prices get worse.
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I just bought a home in unincorporated Libertyville Township....Libertyville HS and village services...super low property taxes. I'm pretty pumped.
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-pritzker-tax-no-federal-bailout-20200424-7mxjbtpapngbrlvz3q337v4sja-story.html
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WD you are clearly unfamiliar with the Tribune's history and agenda if you posted that editorial. Their editorial board is the journalistic equivalent of Judge Smails sentencing the boy to death for his own good.
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WD you are clearly unfamiliar with the Tribune's history and agenda if you posted that editorial. Their editorial board is the journalistic equivalent of Judge Smails sentencing the boy to death for his own good.
After Bruce Rauner's approval rating fell to 31 percent and even the National Review labeled him the worst Republican governor in the country and one who deserved to lose re-election, the Tribune's editorial board endorsed him.
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I wonder what would happen if states like Illinois were able to keep what they generated instead of contributing to a federal "pot" to be given out to other less producing states.
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I wonder what would happen if states like Illinois were able to keep what they generated instead of contributing to a federal "pot" to be given out to other less producing states.
Feudalism? The Articles of Confederation worked well. ::)
Sure isnt a Federal government system. I'd suggest reading the Federalist Papers to educate yourself.
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I wonder what would happen if states like Illinois were able to keep what they generated instead of contributing to a federal "pot" to be given out to other less producing states.
Federalism.
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Federalism.
Wrong.
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I meant to post that it would essentially mean the end of Federalism as we know it. I don't know what happened to the rest. Weird.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2020/4/27/21239299/jasper-monroe-downstate-counties-covid-19-death-rates-pritzkers-stay-home-coronavirus
Darrel Hickox, a member of the Jasper County Board, disputed the numbers from state public health officials, contending that “nobody” in Jasper County has died from the coronavirus.
He said that members of the media who report on the pandemic are “socialists, liberals and communists.”
“There has been some coronavirus here, but they was dying anyway,” Hickox said.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2020/4/27/21239299/jasper-monroe-downstate-counties-covid-19-death-rates-pritzkers-stay-home-coronavirus
Darrel Hickox, a member of the Jasper County Board, disputed the numbers from state public health officials, contending that “nobody” in Jasper County has died from the coronavirus.
He said that members of the media who report on the pandemic are “socialists, liberals and communists.”
“There has been some coronavirus here, but they was dying anyway,” Hickox said.
Once you get south of I-74, you might as well be in Kentucky.
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After Bruce Rauner's approval rating fell to 31 percent and even the National Review labeled him the worst Republican governor in the country and one who deserved to lose re-election, the Tribune's editorial board endorsed him.
I'll stop piling on the Tribune but wanted to post this somewhat opposing viewpoint from one of its columnists (who does not sit on their editorial board).
https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/eric-zorn/ct-column-illinois-coronavirus-covid19-bailout-federal-donor-zorn-20200428-mdiolecl7vcwxpmmba5mdir7dy-story.html
"But no matter how or why the money flows where is does, the bottom line is that Illinois and other donor states are helping prop up such recipient states as South Carolina and Kentucky. Our taxpayers in effect funnel money into their economies, money that props up their businesses and keeps their taxes and government spending lower than they would otherwise have to be.
It’s nervy as hell for ungrateful politicians in recipient states ever to whine about “bailouts” or preen about how comparatively well managed they are."
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I meant to post that it would essentially mean the end of Federalism as we know it. I don't know what happened to the rest. Weird.
Thought jockitch hacked your account. ;D
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Beats the hell out of me.
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I wonder what would happen if states like Illinois were able to keep what they generated instead of contributing to a federal "pot" to be given out to other less producing states.
Don't kid yourself. It would still suck. Illinois politicians spend like drunken sailors. If they had more they would just spend more and be just as in debt.
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I wonder what would happen if states like Illinois were able to keep what they generated instead of contributing to a federal "pot" to be given out to other less producing states.
What would happen to the states that have the largest military bases, or missile silos, or the strategic oil reserve? Would they be able to tell us here in Illinois that we do not get protected?
Some of that federal pot money goes to states that provide less in tax revenue, but provide other value in land, resources, talent. The suggestion that it is indexed only on taxes paid in and received back is missing a significant part of the calculus.
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Don't kid yourself. It would still suck. Illinois politicians spend like drunken sailors. If they had more they would just spend more and be just as in debt.
Agreed. If any money went to state bailouts it would need conditions like the budgets would have to balanced for a certain amount of time, bond issuance limitations, etc..
Could be great for IL taxpayers as the politicians in the state will continue to kick the can down the road unless an external force does something.
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What would happen to the states that have the largest military bases, or missile silos, or the strategic oil reserve? Would they be able to tell us here in Illinois that we do not get protected?
Some of that federal pot money goes to states that provide less in tax revenue, but provide other value in land, resources, talent. The suggestion that it is indexed only on taxes paid in and received back is missing a significant part of the calculus.
You could never index federal tax money spent by amount of the per capita revenue per state. Some states would be done. One extreme example:
In Fiscal 2018 Minnesota brought in over $17,000 PER PERSON in various federal tax revenue
In Fiscal 2018 Mississippi brought in around $5,000 PER PERSON.
You cannot spend 3 times more on Minnesota than Mississippi. But I would be pretty annoyed if someone in Mississippi complained about federal tax dollars going to Minnesota.
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OK, I've been letting this thread go - but the last page or so has nothing to do with CV-19 in IL. I'll just delete any further posts that don't have to do with CV-19 or the response to it.
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The mods suck.
One in particular, but I won't name names.
It's going to be a warm, sunny weekend in Chicago. I hope that people can enjoy it from their balconies instead of dragging their grills to the park.
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That west side party was right by my house so I drove by the townhouse complex. Cannot figure out how it got so massive and nobody called the police. They're all connected and have balconies facing each other just seems way too dense to let that many people come in.
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https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/2386538/the-party-dont-stop-in-west-chicago-another-weekend-another-raging-twerk-fest
Illinois doing it right
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https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/2386538/the-party-dont-stop-in-west-chicago-another-weekend-another-raging-twerk-fest
Illinois doing it right
Who wants to tell Barstool that West Chicago and the West Side of Chicago aren't the same place?
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Who wants to tell Barstool that West Chicago and the West Side of Chicago aren't the same place?
I don’t think most people think Dupage County when reading that headline, but Dante is a fake Chicagoan anyways.
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My wife just received a chilling email from the director at Addolorata Villa, an assisted living/skilled care facility in Wheeling, Il run by the Sisters of St Francis. My wife’s 98 year old mother is a current resident. At this time 9 residents and 5 workers have tested positive for Covid 19.
Here is a portion of that email:
“Many of you have reached out inquiring about testing of all staff and residents. Since last week I have shared some of our trials and tribulations in obtaining testing supplies and kits so that we can test all of our residents and staff members in Assisted Living and Skilled Nursing care. Multiple calls to the Cook County Health Department, Illinois Department of Public Health and our lab provider have all been met with a circular loop of one referring us to the other and then back around again. All of our calls to the governor’s office have gone unanswered as all the lines state that the mailbox is “full and not accepting messages”.
I won’t bore anyone with the remainder of the email, but rest assured it’s filled with fear and frustration. It’s May 3rd, 6 + weeks into this and a nursing home where everyone knows the most vulnerable reside can’t get a straight answer. And the governor’s office won’t even pick up the phone. How is this possible?
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Sorry to hear that, Lenny. It's an absolute outrage.
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Still not enough testing anywhere. I am very sympathetic to your frustrations, Lenny. But please know it isn't just Illinois and it isn't just nursing homes.
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Lenny
Prayers being said for your mother in law. Hope all is well down your way.
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My wife just received a chilling email from the director at Addolorata Villa, an assisted living/skilled care facility in Wheeling, Il run by the Sisters of St Francis. My wife’s 98 year old mother is a current resident. At this time 9 residents and 5 workers have tested positive for Covid 19.
Here is a portion of that email:
“Many of you have reached out inquiring about testing of all staff and residents. Since last week I have shared some of our trials and tribulations in obtaining testing supplies and kits so that we can test all of our residents and staff members in Assisted Living and Skilled Nursing care. Multiple calls to the Cook County Health Department, Illinois Department of Public Health and our lab provider have all been met with a circular loop of one referring us to the other and then back around again. All of our calls to the governor’s office have gone unanswered as all the lines state that the mailbox is “full and not accepting messages”.
I won’t bore anyone with the remainder of the email, but rest assured it’s filled with fear and frustration. It’s May 3rd, 6 + weeks into this and a nursing home where everyone knows the most vulnerable reside can’t get a straight answer. And the governor’s office won’t even pick up the phone. How is this possible?
This is America. Sorry to hear, I don't even know what I'd do. Pulling her out isn't a possibility, I assume? Hope things turn around and they're able to get people tested, and hopefully they've already isolated the confirmed infected.
ugh. :(
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Local media? Mayor of Wheeling? Local legislative or congressional rep offices?
Just trying to brainstorm out loud.
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This is America. Sorry to hear, I don't even know what I'd do. Pulling her out isn't a possibility, I assume? Hope things turn around and they're able to get people tested, and hopefully they've already isolated the confirmed infected.
ugh. :(
I have a friend who pulled her mother out of an assisted living facility at the beginning of this thing thinking that it would just be a couple of weeks, but six weeks in is proving to be very difficult to manage, and the place won't take her mother back because her husband is an essential worker.
There are not a lot of easy answers here.
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Local media? Mayor of Wheeling? Local legislative or congressional rep offices?
Just trying to brainstorm out loud.
Yeah that was my thought. They may be going too big too quick. Work up the ladder.
Also, I could be wrong here and likely am, aren't a lot of assisted care facilities supposed to have a hospital they're linked with? I remember when I worked as an AM at Stericycle a lot of those accounts would say they would drive medical waste to an office or hospital instead of paying for pickups. If that's the case shouldn't they have inroads to ask for some PPE, tests, all the other fun stuff from the affiliated office or hospital?
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I have a friend who pulled her mother out of an assisted living facility at the beginning of this thing thinking that it would just be a couple of weeks, but six weeks in is proving to be very difficult to manage, and the place won't take her mother back because her husband is an essential worker.
There are not a lot of easy answers here.
My mother in law is in an independent facility in Mequon. Same issues. Can't take her out, for any period of time, because they won't take her back easily, so we've left her in there. Fortunately, they've had zero cases so far. They also let us meet her on the back patio of the building recently, with us and her wearing masks and sitting far apart, which was good. For those of you with family in independent or assisted facilities, check with the place and see if they'll allow such a visit. As long as it's a decent enough day weather-wise, at least you may be able to brighten someone's day by giving them a visit!
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Off subject, but I love this idea I describe it any chance I get: If your elderly family has internet at their facility, buy them an Alexa Show. Now you can visit them any time by "dropping in" on them, free.
The technology is simple enough for them to understand it or read it from a card "Drop in on Hilltopper". Or if you place the call, they don't need to do anything but say hello.
For $80 .. it has a ton of value (although you need one for each of you.) My kids "visit" their grandparents 3-4x per week this way.
https://smile.amazon.com/Echo-Show-8/dp/B07PF1Y28C (https://smile.amazon.com/Echo-Show-8/dp/B07PF1Y28C)
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Lenny
Prayers being said for your mother in law. Hope all is well down your way.
Thanks, Goose.
We’re lucky. Our golf course is open (walkers or singles in carts) and pickle ball courts too. Tennis and the fitness center closed but perfect weather for walking/running. Sites opening locally where anyone can get a test.
How are things in Milwaukee?
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Yeah that was my thought. They may be going too big too quick. Work up the ladder.
They call their lab provider and are told to call the cook County Health Department. They call the Cook County Health Department and are told to call the Illinois Department of Public Health. They call the Illinois Department of Public Health and are told to call the Governor’s special hotline. They call the governor and get a recorded message that the mailbox is full and not accepting calls. Sounds to me like they’ve tried to work up the ladder. When they got to the top, no one was there.
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They call their lab provider and are told to call the cook County Health Department. They call the Cook County Health Department and are told to call the Illinois Department of Public Health. They call the Illinois Department of Public Health and are told to call the Governor’s special hotline. They call the governor and get a recorded message that the mailbox is full and not accepting calls. Sounds to me like they’ve tried to work up the ladder. When they got to the top, no one was there.
Right but there are usually more accessible rungs in said ladder between lab and county that as was stated before, might have an ear to the governor that sitting on hold does not.
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Right but there are usually more accessible rungs in said ladder between lab and county that as was stated before, might have an ear to the governor that sitting on hold does not.
OK. Guess this is Addolorata Villa’s fault. Please give them a call and tell them all the “rungs” that their lab, county
and state agencies (and the governor) aren’t willing to share with them. They’re in the book. I guarantee they’ll pick up and I guarantee they’ll be grateful for the help.
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OK. Guess this is Addolorata Villa’s fault. Please give them a call and tell them all the “rungs” that their lab, county
and state agencies (and the governor) aren’t willing to share with them. They’re in the book. I guarantee they’ll pick up and I guarantee they’ll be grateful for the help.
Jeeze Lenny, when did I say that? I get its personal for you, but not everyone's going to sit in line and only post "feel sorry for you, there's nothing that possibly could've been done" how about don't be an a$$ if someone's trying to come up with something that they may have missed in their ladder rung. Not to mention why don't you go after the initial poster who pointed that out?
Sorry for your mom..
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Jeeze Lenny, when did I say that? I get its personal for you, but not everyone's going to sit in line and only post "feel sorry for you, there's nothing that possibly could've been done" how about don't be an a$$ if someone's trying to come up with something that they may have missed in their ladder rung. Not to mention why don't you go after the initial poster who pointed that out?
Sorry for your mom, sorry you voted the prick into office who set this situation up.
If you know what they “missed” that would be helpful. But opining that they probably missed something seemed to me to excuse those who don’t deserved to be excused and blame the victim. If I misunderstood your post, I apologize.
It’s not my Mom, it’s my MIL, but I appreciate the kind sentiments nonetheless. I don’t know which prick you’re referring to, but I didn’t vote for Trump and had I been eligible I wouldn’t have voted for Pritzker either. So I’ve got that going for me, which is nice.
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If you know what they “missed” that would be helpful. But opining that they probably missed something seemed to me to excuse those who don’t deserved to be excused and blame the victim. If I misunderstood your post, I apologize.
It’s not my Mom, it’s my MIL, but I appreciate the kind sentiments nonetheless. I don’t know which prick you’re referring to, but I didn’t vote for Trump and had I been eligible I wouldn’t have voted for Pritzker either. So I’ve got that going for me, which is nice.
Then you misunderstood my post, zero victimized business blaming its an unfortunate situation and there's thousands of business calling a likely understaffed or undertrained new government call center with the same needs. And I apologize for stating you voted for a prick. Every other portion I stand by. I inherently think of administration people in healthcare as not the brightest light in the chandelier, I've met, worked with and sold to too many who don't grasp finances, who don't grasp half of the procedures they do at the facility, who have absconded with hundreds of thousands of dollars, who would fire and rehire multiple people in the same day, heck OR my mother and sister work at the practice admin tried forcing them back early despite PPE shortages saying not her problem, and more horror stories. so yes, I do think that an administrator who would've just started calling provides numbers maybe didn't think outside the box, or maybe missed a few routes to get those needed test kits. As far as things I know they missed, there are none. Don't work there and they weren't in my book of business in my old Stericycle days.
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Jeeze Lenny, when did I say that? I get its personal for you, but not everyone's going to sit in line and only post "feel sorry for you, there's nothing that possibly could've been done" how about don't be an a$$ if someone's trying to come up with something that they may have missed in their ladder rung. Not to mention why don't you go after the initial poster who pointed that out?
Sorry for your mom..
Patronizing.
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Patronizing.
Can't take it when a spade is a spade so you're going to follow me across the board?
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Anyone else in Illinois receiving this today? My email came this afternoon, but my wife didn't receive it.
Treasurer's Note
Helping Small Businesses
And Their Workers
During COVID-19
We know people are hurting. We are hearing the stories from our friends and from our families. We are seeing businesses close in our own communities.
The COVID-19 pandemic has created an immense amount of uncertainty and we need all hands on deck to help others now and lay the groundwork for recovery later.
I have designated $500 million to be deposited in community banks and local credit unions throughout our state. In turn, these financial institutions use the money to make low‑interest loans to small businesses in their communities. Supporting the health and well-being of our residents and our economy includes making sure small-business owners stay solvent so their workers can be paid.
We move faster than the federal government because we are not slowed by their partisanship and red tape. We also have 40 years of experience in facilitating these loans, which do not add to our state’s budget deficit.
Kraig Lounsberry, president of the Community Bankers Association, said the bridge loan program gives “community banks a powerful new tool to quickly protect small businesses suffering during this crisis.”
Republican state Rep. Mike Murphy of Springfield said, “Small business is the backbone of our economy, and now, more than ever, these businesses need to know state government is here to support them and their employees.”
Democratic state Sen. Scott Bennett of Champaign said, “These loans can help businesses stay solvent today, when they need the help.”
Additionally, we have worked with business advocates such as the Illinois Chamber of Commerce, the Small Business Majority, and the Small Business Advocacy Center to ensure their members are aware of our bridge loan program.
The COVID-19 pandemic will be remembered by every person who lives through it. It already has highlighted the heroic work of our first responders, health care professionals, as well as those who work in our grocery stores, haul our garbage, operate our cities, and make sure our telephones, electric grid, and roads remain operational.
Our loan program will not solve all the challenges our state and country are facing, but that does not stop us from working to be part of the solution. Our loan program will help our small business owners keep society functioning as well.
I am thankful that our team could quickly do our part to help the residents of Illinois.
Sincerely,
Michael W. Frerichs
Illinois State Treasurer
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Can't take it when a spade is a spade so you're going to follow me across the board?
I live in the state and came across your comments here. Did a double take to make sure it was you because of what you said earlier in the 1952 section. Yup, it was you. :(
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Thanks, Goose.
We’re lucky. Our golf course is open (walkers or singles in carts) and pickle ball courts too. Tennis and the fitness center closed but perfect weather for walking/running. Sites opening locally where anyone can get a test.
How are things in Milwaukee?
It sucks the hind tit, Lenny Man. The Gov. gets to decide who he puts outta business, hey?
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It sucks the hind tit, Lenny Man. The Gov. gets to decide who he puts outta business, hey?
The governor is following federal guidelines you know.
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It sucks the hind tit, Lenny Man. The Gov. gets to decide who he puts outta business, hey?
Stoopid governor following guidelines specifically laid out by the leader of our nation. I mean, how dumm can he be?
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The governor is following federal guidelines you know.
In some ways, sure, but I’m unaware of any federal guidelines instructing governors to hide from desperate nursing homes behind a “This mailbox is full and no longer accepting calls” message.
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In some ways, sure, but I’m unaware of any federal guidelines instructing governors to hide from desperate nursing homes behind a “This mailbox is full and no longer accepting calls” message.
Have you called the hotline?
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In some ways, sure, but I’m unaware of any federal guidelines instructing governors to hide from desperate nursing homes behind a “This mailbox is full and no longer accepting calls” message.
In Wisconsin?
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Lenny, is there anything new on the nursing home situation? I have been wondering.
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In Wisconsin?
Well the title of this thread is Illinois...
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Lenny, is there anything new on the nursing home situation? I have been wondering.
They have had several more positives among both staff and residents. Some good news, though - evidently a family member of a resident has connections somewhere and more test kits are on the way.
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In Wisconsin?
Illinois.
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They have had several more positives among both staff and residents. Some good news, though - evidently a family member of a resident has connections somewhere and more test kits are on the way.
The Chicago wsy.
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Have you called the hotline?
No. I’m taking the word of the Villa’s director.
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Well the title of this thread is Illinois...
Well the question Lenny’s asked 4ever was about Wisconsin. I know. Reading comprehension can be hard.
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I know. Reading comprehension can be hard.
I'm proud of you. Admitting you have a problem is the first step. Now just work on correcting it. Try to follow thoughts together perhaps. This one started here:
My wife just received a chilling email from the director at Addolorata Villa, an assisted living/skilled care facility in Wheeling, Il run by the Sisters of St Francis. My wife%u2019s 98 year old mother is a current resident. At this time 9 residents and 5 workers have tested positive for Covid 19.
Here is a portion of that email:
Comprehension can be tough, but I have faith you can do it. Well a little faith anyways.
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Rereading, I think 4ever was replying to my “How are things in Milwaukee?”. In my response, I was talking about Illinois. So the misunderstanding is my fault.
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No one else received that email yesterday from the state treasurer?
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Rereading, I think 4ever was replying to my “How are things in Milwaukee?”. In my response, I was talking about Illinois. So the misunderstanding is my fault.
That is exactly what he was doing.
See buck? Was that so hard to understand? You should probably keep your bad takes confined to the baseball thread.
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That is exactly what he was doing.
See buck? Was that so hard to understand? You should probably keep your bad takes confined to the baseball thread.
You were still the one that didn't comprehend it correctly there chief.
And I do pretty much confine my opinions. I don't feel the need to throw up my ridiculous opinions all over every thread.
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The governor is following federal guidelines you know.
Pretty sure the POTUS has clearly stated that, tough he may not be in agreement, the governors will decide the how and the when their state will reopen. Liquor stores, car washes, and even garden centers are apparently essential, hey?
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Pretty sure the POTUS has clearly stated that, tough he may not be in agreement, the governors will decide the how and the when their state will reopen. Liquor stores, car washes, and even garden centers are apparently essential, hey?
The White House released this...
https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/
If you go under criteria, you will see testing "gating criteria" that the state used to construct its "Badger Bounce Back Plan." Wisconsin has yet to meet these criteria but is trending in the right direction.
So again, Evers is acting on the Trump administration's guidance.
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You were still the one that didn't comprehend it correctly there chief.
And I do pretty much confine my opinions. I don't feel the need to throw up my ridiculous opinions all over every thread.
lmao
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Hey get over to the Wisconsin thread if you want to discuss Tony Evers......
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No one else received that email yesterday from the state treasurer?
No, but the program details are here: https://illinoistreasurer.gov/Invest_in_Illinois/Small_Business_COVID-19_Relief_Program
The state is lending in $1MM increments at 0.1% interest to regional/local banks.
Those banks can lend to SMBs at rates not to exceed 4.75%.
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No, but the program details are here: https://illinoistreasurer.gov/Invest_in_Illinois/Small_Business_COVID-19_Relief_Program
The state is lending in $1MM increments at 0.1% interest to regional/local banks.
Those banks can lend to SMBs at rates not to exceed 4.75%.
Where are they getting the money to lend?
If the state want to help small business, it could start by paying their own bills that are out 120+ days. I know of several small businesses that were close to bankruptcy even before this crisis because of money the state owes them.
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No, but the program details are here: https://illinoistreasurer.gov/Invest_in_Illinois/Small_Business_COVID-19_Relief_Program
The state is lending in $1MM increments at 0.1% interest to regional/local banks.
Those banks can lend to SMBs at rates not to exceed 4.75%.
I’m trying to figure out why the email arrived in the first place if so many other residents in the state did not receive. Did I receive it because of my driver’s license, voter registration or something else. One would think most of you received it.
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I’m trying to figure out why the email arrived in the first place if so many other residents in the state did not receive. Did I receive it because of my driver’s license, voter registration or something else. One would think most of you received it.
Nothing. I own a business in Chicago and live in the city. I've gotten stimulus comms from the City but nothing from the state. I checked after you posted.
Email distribution lists are a tricky thing.
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I’m trying to figure out why the email arrived in the first place if so many other residents in the state did not receive. Did I receive it because of my driver’s license, voter registration or something else. One would think most of you received it.
Give it up chicos, no one is playing. Three posts on the same thing with no takers to try to pretend you live in IL. Desperation.
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Give it up chicos, no one is playing. Three posts on the same thing with no takers to try to pretend you live in IL. Desperation.
Can I use this as evidence not to pay sales tax, property tax or other taxes here because you say so? :o
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The amount of life Cheeks dedicates to trying to convince 12 anonymous people on the internet that he's someone else (even though they don't buy it)...some people say reflective of a disorder and both sides say it's sad. But it makes me lolz every time.
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This will go over well...
https://mobile.twitter.com/bauerjournalism/status/1259932244984115200
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The amount of life Cheeks dedicates to trying to convince 12 anonymous people on the internet that he's someone else (even though they don't buy it)...some people say reflective of a disorder and both sides say it's sad. But it makes me lolz every time.
The amount of posts we have to read from people complaining about Chico’s being WD, Billy Hoyle or other, is sad. And a waste of time for everyone who comes to Scoop hoping for some useful information or so leave some.
Rocky, can you confirm Chicos is WarriorDad, or Billy Hoyle or another who actively posts on here, and embarrass him enough so he stops, OR confirm that Chicos isn’t WD or another active poster, so the rest of the doubters can shut up for once and stop the sniping back and forth? Honestly, I don’t care which way it ends up but I wish this topic could get put to rest so the rest of us who don’t give rat’s as$ about chicos/Warrior Dad/Billy don’t have to continue reading this crap?
I’ll hang up and listen for my answer.
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The amount of posts we have to read from people complaining about Chico’s being WD, Billy Hoyle or other, is sad. And a waste of time for everyone who comes to Scoop hoping for some useful information or so leave some.
Rocky, can you confirm Chicos is WarriorDad, or Billy Hoyle or another who actively posts on here, and embarrass him enough so he stops, OR confirm that Chicos isn’t WD or another active poster, so the rest of the doubters can shut up for once and stop the sniping back and forth? Honestly, I don’t care which way it ends up but I wish this topic could get put to rest so the rest of us who don’t give rat’s as$ about chicos/Warrior Dad/Billy don’t have to continue reading this crap?
I’ll hang up and listen for my answer.
Thanks Chico’s.
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The amount of posts we have to read from people complaining about Chico’s being WD, Billy Hoyle or other, is sad. And a waste of time for everyone who comes to Scoop hoping for some useful information or so leave some.
Rocky, can you confirm Chicos is WarriorDad, or Billy Hoyle or another who actively posts on here, and embarrass him enough so he stops, OR confirm that Chicos isn’t WD or another active poster, so the rest of the doubters can shut up for once and stop the sniping back and forth? Honestly, I don’t care which way it ends up but I wish this topic could get put to rest so the rest of us who don’t give rat’s as$ about chicos/Warrior Dad/Billy don’t have to continue reading this crap?
I’ll hang up and listen for my answer.
This post contains no useful information.
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Thanks Chico’s.
If the pope says it, then I guess I must be Chicos. Huh.
Ners said earlier today about JB, “JayBee can be pettily pompous and unnecessarily offensive”, and Sultan quoted that, agreeing with it. At the time, I thought, geez. There is no one more pompous on this board than the fluffer. Pot, meet kettle.
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If the pope says it, then I guess I must be Chicos. Huh.
Ners said earlier today about JB, “JayBee can be pettily pompous and unnecessarily offensive”, and Sultan quoted that, agreeing with it. At the time, I thought, geez. There is no one more pompous on this board than the fluffer. Pot, meet kettle.
Huh. My post was but a joke. No idea I would hit such a nerve. Ah well...
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There is no one more pompous on this board than the fluffer. Pot, meet kettle.
Come on. We all know who the most pompous person is on this board, and it is not even close.
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Guilty.
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Guilty.
Wrong.
The fact that you would give yourself up proves that it's not you.
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Dry, self deprecating humor. Not always translatable on a message board.
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This will go over well...
https://mobile.twitter.com/bauerjournalism/status/1259932244984115200
I'm very happy to have a Governor that is using a science-based approach. Solid decisions based on data. As long as we keep testing more people every day/week I'll be very happy.
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This will go over well...
https://mobile.twitter.com/bauerjournalism/status/1259932244984115200
It should. Obviously the peak being moved is a good thing. The peak being smaller than it would have been is a good thing. The medical institutions not being overwhelmed is a good thing. 5/6 of the designated area being ready to move to the next phase, with the 6th being close is also a good thing. New cases have been down consistently for the last 3 days. That's a good thing. If people look at what is being said, with more depth than the headline on social media, it is a good thing. It doesn't mean lockdown is getting stretched out further, at least at this point.
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It should. Obviously the peak being moved is a good thing. The peak being smaller than it would have been is a good thing. The medical institutions not being overwhelmed is a good thing. 5/6 of the designated area being ready to move to the next phase, with the 6th being close is also a good thing. New cases have been down consistently for the last 3 days. That's a good thing. If people look at what is being said, with more depth than the headline on social media, it is a good thing. It doesn't mean lockdown is getting stretched out further, at least at this point.
I don’t know how you read that and don’t infer that, and that’s what I was referring to. They planned for 5/29 and now their models are further delayed. They will of course preach caution, but I’ll be shocked if they don’t push it back into mid June
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I'm very happy to have a Governor that is using a science-based approach. Solid decisions based on data. As long as we keep testing more people every day/week I'll be very happy.
There's no reason that Pritzker shouldn't begin to open up certain parts of the state, as other states are doing. First, half of the "Covid" deaths are in nursing homes. That doesn't affect the rest of the population that needs to get to work. Yes, it's a HUGE problem in nursing homes that needs to be resolved! So, spend money helping the nursing homes disinfect, isolate, etc. Second, dissociate Cook County from the rest of the State. Cook County has 67.5% of all Covid cases in Illinois and 68% of all "Covid" deaths. That doesn't mean the rest of the State shouldn't be allowed to start opening up. Third, stop including certain deaths in the definition of "people dying of Covid".
"The case definition is very simplistic. It means, at the time of death, it was a COVID positive diagnosis. That means, that if you were in hospice and has already been given a few weeks to live, and then you were also found to have COVID, it means, technically even if you died of clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed a sa COVID death. Everyone who is listed as a COVID death, doesn't mean that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID At the time of death. I hope that's helpful." -Dr. Ngozi Ezike, Director of Illinois Department of Public Health
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There's no reason that Pritzker shouldn't begin to open up certain parts of the state, as other states are doing. First, half of the "Covid" deaths are in nursing homes. That doesn't affect the rest of the population that needs to get to work. Yes, it's a HUGE problem in nursing homes that needs to be resolved! So, spend money helping the nursing homes disinfect, isolate, etc. Second, dissociate Cook County from the rest of the State. Cook County has 67.5% of all Covid cases in Illinois and 68% of all "Covid" deaths. That doesn't mean the rest of the State shouldn't be allowed to start opening up. Third, stop including certain deaths in the definition of "people dying of Covid".
"The case definition is very simplistic. It means, at the time of death, it was a COVID positive diagnosis. That means, that if you were in hospice and has already been given a few weeks to live, and then you were also found to have COVID, it means, technically even if you died of clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed a sa COVID death. Everyone who is listed as a COVID death, doesn't mean that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID At the time of death. I hope that's helpful." -Dr. Ngozi Ezike, Director of Illinois Department of Public Health
I agree with you to an extent but I think that's easier said than done. Dupage, Lake and Will are so closely integrated with Cook county I think it's hard to just border off cook county. If I'm a reckless person and symptomatic from covid I see the surrounding counties are open and decide I'll just go bowling, see a movie, golfing, to the bars, etc out in the far suburbs as opposed to the city and then you see a spike in those counties. What do you do? Shut them back down? It's gotta be Chicago Metro IMO.
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-cb-pritzker-plan-reopen-illinois-20200506-erfvitdovffmzd7ativx4hj57q-htmlstory.html
They are planning on re-opening different parts of the state at different times. And many areas are on pace to move into the next phase on May 27th, when this order expires.
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I agree with you to an extent but I think that's easier said than done. Dupage, Lake and Will are so closely integrated with Cook county I think it's hard to just border off cook county. If I'm a reckless person and symptomatic from covid I see the surrounding counties are open and decide I'll just go bowling, see a movie, golfing, to the bars, etc out in the far suburbs as opposed to the city and then you see a spike in those counties. What do you do? Shut them back down? It's gotta be Chicago Metro IMO.
It’s already happening with Illinois residents going to other states. Why not with county to county?
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Can i drive down to buy some weed, yo?
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It’s already happening with Illinois residents going to other states. Why not with county to county?
Sounds like the concern of other states if we bring it to them. But more seriously outside of people going to summer homes & in Lansing crossing to Hammond or Waukegan to Kenosha (or other borders) how much traffic is really going on between states? My opinion is it's easier to be in the majority of cook county and to say "let's hop in an Uber to Elmhurst (Lombard, oak brook, Naperville, etc) and hit up some bars!" Bringing the virus back out there Than say "lets go to Hammond and hit up the two breweries!"
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Sounds like the concern of other states if we bring it to them. But more seriously outside of people going to summer homes & in Lansing crossing to Hammond or Waukegan to Kenosha (or other borders) how much traffic is really going on between states? My opinion is it's easier to be in the majority of cook county and to say "let's hop in an Uber to Elmhurst (Lombard, oak brook, Naperville, etc) and hit up some bars!" Bringing the virus back out there Than say "lets go to Hammond and hit up the two breweries!"
But if they opened up the Indiana casinos, you can bet your a$s that Pritzker would open it up more.
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There's no reason that Pritzker shouldn't begin to open up certain parts of the state, as other states are doing. First, half of the "Covid" deaths are in nursing homes. That doesn't affect the rest of the population that needs to get to work. Yes, it's a HUGE problem in nursing homes that needs to be resolved! So, spend money helping the nursing homes disinfect, isolate, etc.
This is what Sweden has been trying to do. The results have been disastrous. You can't entirely isolate nursing home, especially not without sufficient testing and contact tracing. Nursing homes need nurses and doctors and physical therapists and occupational therapists and orderlies and custodians and food service workers and more. You can't isolate all these people and we lack the capability to consistently test and trace them.
Second, dissociate Cook County from the rest of the State.
So, what do you do? Build a wall to prevent someone living in the Cook County portion of Buffalo Grove from going out to eat in the Lake County portion? How do you stop someone from Evanston from attending a party in Lake Forest, or someone from LaGrange going to a bar in Downers Grove?
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This is what Sweden has been trying to do. The results have been disastrous. You can't entirely isolate nursing home, especially not without sufficient testing and contact tracing. Nursing homes need nurses and doctors and physical therapists and occupational therapists and orderlies and custodians and food service workers and more. You can't isolate all these people and we lack the capability to consistently test and trace them.
So, what do you do? Build a wall to prevent someone living in the Cook County portion of Buffalo Grove from going out to eat in the Lake County portion? How do you stop someone from Evanston from attending a party in Lake Forest, or someone from LaGrange going to a bar in Downers Grove?
Not to mention all the people who commute for work in/out of Cook County. Shut down Metra at the county lines?
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Dr. Robert Murphy, who appears on WGN TV every morning, was asked about DuPage County being separated from Cook County this morning, and basically dismissed the idea out of hand. Clearly he sees it be metro area as one.
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Dr. Robert Murphy, who appears on WGN TV every morning, was asked about DuPage County being separated from Cook County this morning, and basically dismissed the idea out of hand. Clearly he sees it be metro area as one.
I agree with this assessment. Not sure about including Mchenry and Kane etc which aren't as closely linked but in the least will, dupage, and lake should remain closed with cook.
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I agree with this assessment. Not sure about including Mchenry and Kane etc which aren't as closely linked but in the least will, dupage, and lake should remain closed with cook.
Right. If you're in the far reaches of McHenry or Kane (like, not Elgin or Aurora), you've got a reasonable case, but I don't see how you separate Cook entirely from the region.
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Right. If you're in the far reaches of McHenry or Kane (like, not Elgin or Aurora), you've got a reasonable case, but I don't see how you separate Cook entirely from the region.
It just blew my mind that Elgin and aurora were in Kane county. Never knew that
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It just blew my mind that Elgin and aurora were in Kane county. Never knew that
Aurora is also in DuPage and Will.
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I agree with this assessment. Not sure about including Mchenry and Kane etc which aren't as closely linked but in the least will, dupage, and lake should remain closed with cook.
So DuPage and cook burbs aren't good enough to have an opinion on Chicago, but Chicago can f us over completely?
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So DuPage and cook burbs aren't good enough to have an opinion on Chicago, but Chicago can f us over completely?
;)
Wow a reference to what like a 6 or 7yr old post, impressive. Kudos to you sir! And yes, just for consistency lol
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Aurora is also in DuPage and Will.
And a portion of Elgin is in Cook.
That's one problem with doing this county by county. Many suburbs cross county borders (off the top of my head, Barrington, Naperville, Buffalo Grove, Aurora, Elgin, Bartlett, Hinsdale, Bensenville, Algonquin, Huntley ... sure I'm missing a bunch).
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NM
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There's no reason that Pritzker shouldn't begin to open up certain parts of the state, as other states are doing. First, half of the "Covid" deaths are in nursing homes. That doesn't affect the rest of the population that needs to get to work. Yes, it's a HUGE problem in nursing homes that needs to be resolved! So, spend money helping the nursing homes disinfect, isolate, etc. Second, dissociate Cook County from the rest of the State. Cook County has 67.5% of all Covid cases in Illinois and 68% of all "Covid" deaths. That doesn't mean the rest of the State shouldn't be allowed to start opening up. Third, stop including certain deaths in the definition of "people dying of Covid".
"The case definition is very simplistic. It means, at the time of death, it was a COVID positive diagnosis. That means, that if you were in hospice and has already been given a few weeks to live, and then you were also found to have COVID, it means, technically even if you died of clear alternate cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it's still listed a sa COVID death. Everyone who is listed as a COVID death, doesn't mean that was the cause of the death, but they had COVID At the time of death. I hope that's helpful." -Dr. Ngozi Ezike, Director of Illinois Department of Public Health
Cheeks,
I believe that Pritzker has already hinted that the rest of the state may open up soon (he said something along the lines of 'three of the four IL regions are doing okay', with the fourth region being Northeastern IL, which encompasses the Chicago MSA).
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Cheeks,
I believe that Pritzker has already hinted that the rest of the state may open up soon (he said something along the lines of 'three of the four IL regions are doing okay', with the fourth region being Northeastern IL, which encompasses the Chicago MSA).
Correct. He's said that three of the four regions are well on track for moving into the next phase when the current stay-at-home ends and even the NE region has a shot at it, depending on how things go these next couple of weeks.
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Illinois is broken down into 11 reopening regions
(https://illinoisnewsroom.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/NEWS20200509_RestoreIllinoisMap_edited_GRAPHIC.jpg)
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Illinois is broken down into 11 reopening regions
(https://illinoisnewsroom.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/NEWS20200509_RestoreIllinoisMap_edited_GRAPHIC.jpg)
Those 11 are the IDPH's previously created Emergency Service Zones.
For purposes of the phased reopening, Prtizker consolidated those 11 regions into four zones: Northeast, North Central, Central and Southern.
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Cheeks,
I believe that Pritzker has already hinted that the rest of the state may open up soon (he said something along the lines of 'three of the four IL regions are doing okay', with the fourth region being Northeastern IL, which encompasses the Chicago MSA).
I get that he’s laid out that plan. I personally think he can open up some things in the collar counties though earlier than he’s thinking. I’m an essential business but I’ve got a lot of clients who are and will be shut down for far too long. Some of the restrictions that Evers is implementing could be used in the collar counties to allow some businesses to operate.
And bl0w me on the Cheeks thing.
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Wow a reference to what like a 6 or 7yr old post, impressive. Kudos to you sir! And yes, just for consistency lol
That long ago?? Well crap I've gotten old. Haha.
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Those 11 are the IDPH's previously created Emergency Service Zones.
For purposes of the phased reopening, Prtizker consolidated those 11 regions into four zones: Northeast, North Central, Central and Southern.
Oh unnatural carnal knowledge this crap then.
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This is what Sweden has been trying to do. The results have been disastrous.
You are correct that initially Sweden didn’t do a very good job with their nursing home patients - but my understanding is that their results recently have improved greatly. How do their “disastrous” results compare to Pennsylvania, Illinois, New York and others in the US?
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You are correct that initially Sweden didn’t do a very good job with their nursing home patients - but my understanding is that their results recently have improved greatly. How do their “disastrous” results compare to Pennsylvania, Illinois, New York and others in the US?
The results in NY, Illinois and Pennsylvania have been disastrous. Any time a disease sweeps in and kills tens of thousands of people in a couple of months, it's a disaster.
That said, Sweden's death rate is markedly higher than that of the US (and similar to Illinois and Pennsylvania) despite a host of advantages - healthier population, less poverty, less dense population centers, less international travel, better access to care, more single households, etc. In that context, I'd say their results are disastrous in comparison.
But don't take my word for it. Ask Sweden:
"Sweden will adjust a key corner of its strategy for dealing with Covid-19, after the death rate at care homes spiraled out of control."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-12/covid-infection-rate-drops-in-denmark-after-lockdown-relaxed
All that said, even the biggest Sweden cheerleaders have the intellectual honesty to admit any attempt to compare the US to Sweden - much less New York to Sweden - is asinine.
Comparing Sweden to its Nordic neighbors, on the other hand, makes sense. Should we go there again?
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Entire thread devoted to it.
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I get that he’s laid out that plan. I personally think he can open up some things in the collar counties though earlier than he’s thinking. I’m an essential business but I’ve got a lot of clients who are and will be shut down for far too long. Some of the restrictions that Evers is implementing could be used in the collar counties to allow some businesses to operate.
And bl0w me on the Cheeks thing.
Congratulations and get in line on the blowing. I have first dibs. Do you think we all get a Cheeks badge for wrongly being accused of him by these people?
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The results in NY, Illinois and Pennsylvania have been disastrous. Any time a disease sweeps in and kills tens of thousands of people in a couple of months, it's a disaster.
That said, Sweden's death rate is markedly higher than that of the US (and similar to Illinois and Pennsylvania) despite a host of advantages - healthier population, less poverty, less dense population centers, less international travel, better access to care, more single households, etc. In that context, I'd say their results are disastrous in comparison.
But don't take my word for it. Ask Sweden:
"Sweden will adjust a key corner of its strategy for dealing with Covid-19, after the death rate at care homes spiraled out of control."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-12/covid-infection-rate-drops-in-denmark-after-lockdown-relaxed
All that said, even the biggest Sweden cheerleaders have the intellectual honesty to admit any attempt to compare the US to Sweden - much less New York to Sweden - is asinine.
Comparing Sweden to its Nordic neighbors, on the other hand, makes sense. Should we go there again?
This is wrong. You are selectively picking which experts you want to use. You could have used many others but you didn’t because their intellectual honesty that you have determined what that is, doesn’t match with your belief outcome.
Maybe Sweden is wrong, maybe they are right. No one will know for many more months and to claim they are disastrous now in the time cycle is like saying the team lost the game and we are still in the second inning.
Sweden took a huge hit with their nursing homes which they admitted out of the gate and have corrected. It took our governors and local leaders until this weekend in many cases to do the same. What a tragedy.
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Congratulations and get in line on the blowing. I have first dibs. Do you think we all get a Cheeks badge for wrongly being accused of him by these people?
bahhahahahahhahaha
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This is wrong. You are selectively picking which experts you want to use. You could have used many others but you didn’t because their intellectual honesty that you have determined what that is, doesn’t match with your belief outcome.
What are you on about?
Are you saying there are experts out there saying Sweden is comparable to New York and Pennsylvania? If so, please point them out.
As we all know, you're the same guy who two weeks ago said Sweden should be compared to its Nordic neighbors. Now? Apparently not so much.
Sweden took a huge hit with their nursing homes which they admitted out of the gate and have corrected. It took our governors and local leaders until this weekend in many cases to do the same. What a tragedy.
This is flat out false. If you'd read the link I provided (not a surprise ... you don't even read the links you provide), you'd see that Sweden didn't start to adjust its policy until yesterday.
What a tragedy.
And sorry, Tower, just responding to posts directed toward me.
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Good short clip describing the five-phase plan from the gov:
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/heres-a-breakdown-of-the-5-phases-of-illinois-reopening-plan/2266956/
tldr: data will dictate the full reopening
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Good short clip describing the five-phase plan from the gov:
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/heres-a-breakdown-of-the-5-phases-of-illinois-reopening-plan/2266956/
tldr: data will dictate the full reopening
No gatherings of more than 50 people until there is a cure/vaccine.
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No gatherings of more than 50 people until there is a cure/vaccine.
It clearly doesn't say that.
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It clearly doesn't say that.
My mistake - vaccine or highly effective treatment widely available.
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No gatherings of more than 50 people until there is a cure/vaccine.
Concerts at small bars only I guess?
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This shows the daily key metrics for the 4 zones in Illinois. 3 zones are ready for Phase 3, and the fourth zone is on its way. We are getting there!
http://www.dph.illinois.gov/restore
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This shows the daily key metrics for the 4 zones in Illinois. 3 zones are ready for Phase 3, and the fourth zone is on its way. We are getting there!
http://www.dph.illinois.gov/restore
Thanks for this link. Really helpful.
By my read, NE will be on track with all metrics as of the next update, when the 5/4 numbers come off the rolling average they're using.
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I don't speak Pritzker. We might be coming to Chicago to visit our son, DIL and grand-twins over Mem Day weekend. What phase will the city likely be in then?
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We will still be in phase two, and the stay-at-home order is in effect until May 26. Plus Mayor Lightfoot has stricter guidelines. I can’t imagine either of them moving the city to phase 3 before Memorial Day weekend even if the metrics take a steep dive, frankly.
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We will still be in phase two, and the stay-at-home order is in effect until May 26. Plus Mayor Lightfoot has stricter guidelines. I can’t imagine either of them moving the city to phase 3 before Memorial Day weekend even if the metrics take a steep dive, frankly.
Thanks. Good to know.
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I don't speak Pritzker. We might be coming to Chicago to visit our son, DIL and grand-twins over Mem Day weekend. What phase will the city likely be in then?
Wait a week, and we should be in phase 3. Not sure if that makes a difference for you and the fam. I don't imagine your weekend plans involve a lot of haircuts and non-essential shopping.
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Wait a week, and we should be in phase 3. Not sure if that makes a difference for you and the fam. I don't imagine your weekend plans involve a lot of haircuts and non-essential shopping.
Thanks. Unfortunately, Mem Day weekend is when my wife is available to go.
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The brave leaders of the Naperville Park District wants to spend tens of thousands of taxpayers' money to try to make a futile point, I guess.
https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20200515/naperville-park-district-to-take-legal-action-to-reopen-parks-facilities
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https://www.daily-journal.com/news/local/44-coronavirus-cases-reported-at-del-monte/article_8e8a58c8-970b-11ea-8688-c33323c044e4.html
Outbreak at the Del Monte plant in Kankakee, which is now a hot spot per the New York Times graphs.
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I don't speak Pritzker. We might be coming to Chicago to visit our son, DIL and grand-twins over Mem Day weekend. What phase will the city likely be in then?
Fooked up phase, hey?
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Good to see enough people in the joint committee convinced Pritzker to scrap his emergency rule.
https://patch.com/illinois/springfield-il/emergency-rule-threatening-owners-open-businesses-withdrawn?utm_content=illinois&utm_campaign=blasts&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR0YW5nJHU-RZqtnlSNlcgoNormGO5qaqEihLGNjK7aTDrt11z8d_WrGdAA
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Outdoor restaurants opening next phase. I'm guessing we'll see every place around the state applying for a sidewalk patio permit.
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Outdoor restaurants opening next phase. I'm guessing we'll see every place around the state applying for a sidewalk patio permit.
Outdoor seating in restaurants began in Connecticut today. They are waiving permits and allowing restaurants to set up in parking lots if available.
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Outdoor seating in restaurants began in Connecticut today. They are waiving permits and allowing restaurants to set up in parking lots if available.
Smart. Hope Illinois does the same though I doubt it as there's money to be made.
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Smart. Hope Illinois does the same though I doubt it as there's money to be made.
Gotta keep the water on!
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Smart. Hope Illinois does the same though I doubt it as there's money to be made.
Several Chicago suburbs are doing this, including some that are closing streets/intersections and allowing restaurants to place tables in the right of way.
In most towns - at least those with home rule - it'll be up to local boards, not the state.
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Several Chicago suburbs are doing this, including some that are closing streets/intersections and allowing restaurants to place tables in the right of way.
In most towns - at least those with home rule - it'll be up to local boards, not the state.
My childhood town in Connecticut is closing Main Street off and making it pedestrian only and opening up public parking.
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My childhood town in Connecticut is closing Main Street off and making it pedestrian only and opening up public parking.
A large part of me wishes that every town could have an area like this. There is something so nice about pedestrian only areas.
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Downtown Indianapolis will have several high-traffic streets shut down for restaurants/bars.
Good luck with social distancing in that scenario
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Good to see enough people in the joint committee convinced Pritzker to scrap his emergency rule.
https://patch.com/illinois/springfield-il/emergency-rule-threatening-owners-open-businesses-withdrawn?utm_content=illinois&utm_campaign=blasts&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR0YW5nJHU-RZqtnlSNlcgoNormGO5qaqEihLGNjK7aTDrt11z8d_WrGdAA
I agree somewhat. We need some laws on the books surrounding the edicts being passed down. It's tough to police (literally) when nothing is technically against the law. I would like businesses and fellow patrons held accountable for any anti-social behavior that risks the public health.
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I agree somewhat. We need some laws on the books surrounding the edicts being passed down. It's tough to police (literally) when nothing is technically against the law. I would like businesses and fellow patrons held accountable for any anti-social behavior that risks the public health.
Can we also have our public officials, including the mayor and governor bound to the same edicts passed down? Way too much of telling us what to do and they are doing the exact opposite. Bad form, bad examples and it plants the seed to everyone else to say I'm not following your orders if you aren't doing it, too. Supposedly we are all in this together.
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Can we also have our public officials, including the mayor and governor bound to the same edicts passed down? Way too much of telling us what to do and they are doing the exact opposite. Bad form, bad examples and it plants the seed to everyone else to say I'm not following your orders if you aren't doing it, too. Supposedly we are all in this together.
Did you intentionally skip over some very high-up government officials in your diatribe?
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Did you intentionally skip over some very high-up government officials in your diatribe?
Just a guess, but since this is the "Illinois" thread, maybe he is intentionally only referring to the Illinois governor and Illinois mayors?
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Just a guess, but since this is the "Illinois" thread, maybe he is intentionally only referring to the Illinois governor and Illinois mayors?
Fair
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Did you intentionally skip over some very high-up government officials in your diatribe?
No, I've already acknowledged that in the past, but whataboutism is frowned here apparently. ::) You cannot have it both ways. Members here upset because Pence or Trump don't wear a mask (they should), but silent on local or state officials saying one thing and doing another isn't going to cut it. One cannot claim that Trump not wearing a mask is bad leadership (it is) and sets a bad example (it does), but ignore when local and state politicians ignore their own edicts at the same time. Some consistency would be appropriate. Generally I have given Pritzker good marks, but he has stepped in it more than I care to admit with his family and nursing home decisions. When he was at the podium saying his family was not to be touched was pure cowardice in my opinion. Whether in Florida or at their farm in Wisconsin. He doesn't want citizens to travel to other states, but it is ok for his? Alton's mayor got it right when his wife was caught partying at the bars after his edict said you couldn't do it. She was arrested, and he apologized. Pritzker needed to take the high road there, and he didn't. Lightfoot didn't either.
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No, I've already acknowledged that in the past, but whataboutism is frowned here apparently. ::) You cannot have it both ways. Members here upset because Pence or Trump don't wear a mask (they should), but silent on local or state officials saying one thing and doing another isn't going to cut it. One cannot claim that Trump not wearing a mask is bad leadership (it is) and sets a bad example (it does), but ignore when local and state politicians ignore their own edicts at the same time. Some consistency would be appropriate. Generally I have given Pritzker good marks, but he has stepped in it more than I care to admit with his family and nursing home decisions. When he was at the podium saying his family was not to be touched was pure cowardice in my opinion. Whether in Florida or at their farm in Wisconsin. He doesn't want citizens to travel to other states, but it is ok for his? Alton's mayor got it right when his wife was caught partying at the bars after his edict said you couldn't do it. She was arrested, and he apologized. Pritzker needed to take the high road there, and he didn't. Lightfoot didn't either.
If the worst thing Pritzker does is excuse his family from traveling from one of their private residences to another, then he's doing an excellent job.
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If the worst thing Pritzker does is excuse his family from traveling from one of their private residences to another, then he's doing an excellent job.
It's not. And he's not.
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It's not. And he's not.
How much of this is identity politics out of curiosity? Please be honest, I'll gladly admit if he were an R I'd probably be considerably more critical.
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How much of this is identity politics out of curiosity? Please be honest, I'll gladly admit if he were an R I'd probably be considerably more critical.
He has a 71% approval rating.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2020/5/1/21244714/illinois-politics-j-b-pritzker-we-ask-america-capitol-fax-poll-election-coronavirus-rich-miller
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He has a 71% approval rating.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2020/5/1/21244714/illinois-politics-j-b-pritzker-we-ask-america-capitol-fax-poll-election-coronavirus-rich-miller
That's a 71% approval rating as to his handling of the Coronavirus, not that he has a 71% approval rating. And I've neither met nor talked to anyone who likes how he's handling the lockdown.
How much of this is identity politics out of curiosity? Please be honest, I'll gladly admit if he were an R I'd probably be considerably more critical.
None. His progressive tax is going to be hurtful for me, many other small businesses and individual households. His budget proposals aren't going to do anything other than keep Illinois in a fiscal decline and continue to be at the bottom of the list of Nation's worst states fiscally. His abortion on demand, at any time, is abominable.
If an R had the same policies, I'd be as critical. Rauner was no prize either, but I am so looking forward to being able to move out of this state.
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That's a 71% approval rating as to his handling of the Coronavirus, not that he has a 71% approval rating. And I've neither met nor talked to anyone who likes how he's handling the lockdown.
The We Ask America/Capitol Fax poll of 800 registered voters taken April 23-24 found that 71% approve of Pritzker’s handling of the state’s response to the outbreak, while just 23% disapprove.
A whopping 77% support the stay-at-home order, while only 18% oppose it and 4% don’t know. And 59% say they strongly support the order, while just 8% strongly oppose it.
Seems you're hanging with the 18 percent, because 77 percent approve of how he's handling the lockdown.
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The We Ask America/Capitol Fax poll of 800 registered voters taken April 23-24 found that 71% approve of Pritzker’s handling of the state’s response to the outbreak, while just 23% disapprove.
A whopping 77% support the stay-at-home order, while only 18% oppose it and 4% don’t know. And 59% say they strongly support the order, while just 8% strongly oppose it.
Seems you're hanging with the 18 percent, because 77 percent approve of how he's handling the lockdown.
Maybe there isnt more recent polling, but that data is a month old.
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The We Ask America/Capitol Fax poll of 800 registered voters taken April 23-24 found that 71% approve of Pritzker’s handling of the state’s response to the outbreak, while just 23% disapprove.
A whopping 77% support the stay-at-home order, while only 18% oppose it and 4% don’t know. And 59% say they strongly support the order, while just 8% strongly oppose it.
Seems you're hanging with the 18 percent, because 77 percent approve of how he's handling the lockdown.
I am.
Maybe there isnt more recent polling, but that data is a month old.
Agreed. The date of the article is May 1, or 3 full weeks ago. Since then, he wanted to extend the lockdown another 150 days. He also got caught with a do as I say and not as I do, which a lot of voters don't like. I'm willing to bet that new poll numbers would be different.
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His family was already in Florida when stay at home was issued, so the only issue I would have is the family going to the horse farm after they returned. But maybe his wife insisted.
I do think he should have done some pressers downstate, but then he is open to criticism about traveling as well.
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Maybe there isnt more recent polling, but that data is a month old.
Fair. Couldn't find anything more recent.
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I am.
Agreed. The date of the article is May 1, or 3 full weeks ago. Since then, he wanted to extend the lockdown another 150 days. He also got caught with a do as I say and not as I do, which a lot of voters don't like. I'm willing to bet that new poll numbers would be different.
Can I just ask, what would you have preferred he do when his family was not in the state at the time the order was issued?
I whole heartedly agree with any criticism regarding the trip to WI, that being said just about everyone I know with a summer home in WI went to stay at them, heck my manager just rented one for the summer to get out of the city. So it's a valid criticism but if you aren't going to hold it against your neighbor then it shouldn't be held against the governor.
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Can I just ask, what would you have preferred he do when his family was not in the state at the time the order was issued?
I whole heartedly agree with any criticism regarding the trip to WI, that being said just about everyone I know with a summer home in WI went to stay at them, heck my manager just rented one for the summer to get out of the city. So it's a valid criticism but if you aren't going to hold it against your neighbor then it shouldn't be held against the governor.
IMO, its the thee, not me attitude. You plebs must stay home, while us patricians will go about our usual wealthy lifestyle.
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So it's a valid criticism but if you aren't going to hold it against your neighbor then it shouldn't be held against the governor.
??? Your neighbor didn’t issue the order. Governor Pritzker did. If your neighbor breaks the rule, any consequences should be on him. If Pritzker can ignore his own rule, so can EVERYBODY. His order is meaningless.
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??? Your neighbor didn’t issue the order. Governor Pritzker did. If your neighbor breaks the rule, any consequences should be on him. If Pritzker can ignore his own rule, so can EVERYBODY. His order is meaningless.
He didn't violate his order his family did. I don't know what your relationship is with your family but mine is that we're independent individuals.
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He didn't violate his order his family did. I don't know what your relationship is with your family but mine is that we're independent individuals.
He, his wife and his daughter have been to the farm since he issued the order.
In my family, if I was in charge and issued such an order, I would follow it. So would my wife and children. This wasn’t a case of some second cousin ignoring his order. He tried to get away with calling it essential travel because there are animals on the farm that “needed to be cared for”. Who was caring for them when he was in Illinois and his wife and kid were in Florida? What a crock.
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I’m just kind of surprised that someone with Pritzker’s money has a horse farm in Racine County rather than Kentucky or even St. Charles if he wants to stay closer to Chitown. Taxes?
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He, his wife and his daughter have been to the farm since he issued the order.
In my family, if I was in charge and issued such an order, I would follow it. So would my wife and children. This wasn’t a case of some second cousin ignoring his order. He tried to get away with calling it essential travel because there are animals on the farm that “needed to be cared for”. Who was caring for them when he was in Illinois and his wife and kid were in Florida? What a crock.
He also ordered his contractors to travel from Wisconsin to Illinois to work on the property.
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/illinois-construction-workers-traveling-to-wisconsin-to-work-on-pritzkers-farm-amid-stay-at-home-order
Apparently up in Michigan the same where the Governor said don't travel to your Summer homes and her family did it anyway. Poor leadership, no different than the idiot playing golf during this thing.
I flew out of Chicago on Friday and back today with more than a fair share of upset people regarding the politicos saying one thing and doing another. My wife and I looked at some property (drive by) over the weekend for fun, but tonight we looked at each other and may pull the trigger on leaving. Tennessee, anyone calling that home at the moment? Can you PM me?
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He also ordered his contractors to travel from Wisconsin to Illinois to work on the property.
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/illinois-construction-workers-traveling-to-wisconsin-to-work-on-pritzkers-farm-amid-stay-at-home-order
Apparently up in Michigan the same where the Governor said don't travel to your Summer homes and her family did it anyway. Poor leadership, no different than the idiot playing golf during this thing.
I flew out of Chicago on Friday and back today with more than a fair share of upset people regarding the politicos saying one thing and doing another. My wife and I looked at some property (drive by) over the weekend for fun, but tonight we looked at each other and may pull the trigger on leaving. Tennessee, anyone calling that home at the moment? Can you PM me?
1. Construction has been deemed essential business from the very beginning, including in regards to out-of-state travel.
2. There was another guy around here who always randomly ran into people who totally agreed with him. What happened to that guy?
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1. Construction has been deemed essential business from the very beginning, including in regards to out-of-state travel.
2. There was another guy around here who always randomly ran into people who totally agreed with him. What happened to that guy?
I was hanging out a hipster coffee shop, when I over heard...
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The best part of the Pritzker horse farm is that it’s literally on the state line. You’re not in Wisconsin until your pull in the driveway.
Can rocky just change WarriorDad to cheeks already? Let’s put him out of his misery.
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Can rocky just change WarriorDad to cheeks already? Let’s put him out of his misery.
It’s funnier the way it is. He pretends to be warriors dad, but he ain’t smart enough to remember who he is when posting. Lots of Chico diatribes under the guise of warrior dad.
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It’s funnier the way it is. He pretends to be warriors dad, but he ain’t smart enough to remember who he is when posting. Lots of Chico diatribes under the guise of warrior dad.
The dude is unbalanced--and I am not even talking about his political views. What sort of person is so needy for attention that they keep coming back to a place that they have been banned a dozen times, and have to make fake personalities up to do so? I feel sorry for his family.
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1. Construction has been deemed essential business from the very beginning, including in regards to out-of-state travel.
2. There was another guy around here who always randomly ran into people who totally agreed with him. What happened to that guy?
There were people that agreed and disagreed. I did not mean to suggest otherwise.
I suppose there were no contractors in Wisconsin that could do the work. Do you think the populace sees actions of Trump playing golf, Pritsker needing essential work done on one of his mansions in another state, haircuts, Michigan's first family needing their boat at their summer home and other examples as good leadership?
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The best part of the Pritzker horse farm is that it’s literally on the state line. You’re not in Wisconsin until your pull in the driveway.
Can rocky just change WarriorDad to cheeks already? Let’s put him out of his misery.
What is wrong with some of you? This is why I took a break months ago from this place as the hatred and toxicity mounted. I am not cheeks or anyone but me here.
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There were people that agreed and disagreed. I did not mean to suggest otherwise.
Sure. I'm sure the governor allowing work to be done on his home in complete compliance with the state's regulations was a controversial topic among travelers.
I suppose there were no contractors in Wisconsin that could do the work.
Or the project was almost certainly bid weeks, if not months, in advance and there's no reason to go out and find another contractor when nothing that was done here violated any state order or guideline.
Do you think the populace sees actions of Trump playing golf, Pritsker needing essential work done on one of his mansions in another state, haircuts, Michigan's first family needing their boat at their summer home and other examples as good leadership?
OK, fine, Pritzker should have put construction workers out of a job for no reason whatsoever. That would have been good leadership.
Do you ever stop and think before you post these things?
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This is why I took a break months ago from this place as the hatred and toxicity mounted. moderators banned my other account for the dozenth time.
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City of Chicago released their Phase 3 guidelines
https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid-19/home/reopening-business-portal.html
It sounds like the city should move to Phase 3 in the first two weeks of June if our progress holds. I've been pretty proud of people keeping distant and wearing masks in the South Loop. Hopefully, other neighborhoods are fighting the good fight as well.
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That is inaccurate Tsmith. I came back and he was still putting messages up here and didn't disappear (removed, quit, banned ?) until a few days later.
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That is inaccurate Tsmith. I came back and he was still putting messages up here and didn't disappear (removed, quit, banned ?) until a few days later.
Not Chicos. Tired of the accusations. Joined Scoop long before he was banned. He still reads the board from time to time I understand.
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The bridges seem to be mostly back down downtown. No more curfew as of Sunday. Relatively peaceful protesting continuing citywide.
No impact to Phase III yet, other than the protesting disrupting our data gathering (nobody going to get tested) and the potential for spread because of the protesting. I'm a little worried about the cops. Long hours for the last week, no PPE, much older than the protester's average age, close quarters.
My wife and I have been sneaking over to the Museum Campus on nice days. It's lovely taking a walk over there when there's no one else around.
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Illinois has seen the largest decline in Nnew cases in the country.
https://twitter.com/JordanAbudayyeh/status/1271618590815502336/photo/1
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Illinois has seen the largest decline in Nnew cases in the country.
https://twitter.com/JordanAbudayyeh/status/1271618590815502336/photo/1
Down to just over 60% ICU bed utilization in Chicago. We are getting there.
I had a lunch meeting at the Gibson's in the Gold Coast yesterday. It felt very strange going out for a meal, but I was appreciative that everyone I saw walking was wearing a mask and the servers were being appropriately cautious.
I think there's an opportunity for a ranking system for restaurants/stores about how seriously they're taking the pandemic. I would be much more likely to frequent a business if I knew that they were limiting the number of people in their store, wearing masks, and ensuring people keep their distance.
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I would like something like that too.
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Nineteen deaths reported in Illinois today, fewest since April 2.
While it's been typical since this began for Sunday figures to be lower than the rest of the week, all the key data has been consistently dropping in the state for the past 10 days or so.
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Nineteen deaths reported in Illinois today, fewest since April 2.
While it's been typical since this began for Sunday figures to be lower than the rest of the week, all the key data has been consistently dropping in the state for the past 10 days or so.
Very happy about this but concerned we are letting our guard down, particularly in the city. Seeing people indoors without masks more, protests from before should cause uptick, and seeing more tourists... hope this does not reverse.
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We visited Chicago over Memorial Day weekend and were VERY impressed with the commitment to mask-wearing and social distancing we saw on the North Side. My son lives in Lincoln Square, and we also spent quite a bit of time walking around Lakeview and Lincoln Park, and the vast majority of people we encountered were doing as advised.
Just talked with my son yesterday and he said he has been dismayed that is no longer the case. He said when he takes his twin boys for a walk now, most people aren't wearing masks, and establishments that are open have some pretty big crowds with little social distancing. They live right across the street from a Lou Malnatis that can slide open its walls, and he said the gatherings there are as if COVID-19 doesn't even exist.
Have others noticed similar?
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I don't see much mask wearing outside, but really I don't know how much that is actually a worry. I think the lack of a surge from the protests over the last two to three weeks I think shows that outdoor transmission is less likely.
Honestly we don't go out much. The food store still shows about 2/3 masked. The couple times we went out to eat, everything is distanced well.
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I don't see much mask wearing outside, but really I don't know how much that is actually a worry. I think the lack of a surge from the protests over the last two to three weeks I think shows that outdoor transmission is less likely.
Honestly we don't go out much. The food store still shows about 2/3 masked. The couple times we went out to eat, everything is distanced well.
True about the outside stuff, good point. If that means folks are leaving their masks home all together, and not even wearing them when they go inside an establishment, it's more of a problem. I'll ask my son about it next time we chat.
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Definitely less mask-wearing outside, though even I will take it off if I don't see people in the blocks ahead. I haven't even done outdoor dining, so can't comment, though I am pleased with the spacing at the grill near my house. I did make two trips to the Botanic Garden last week, and most people weren't wearing masks, though my group was.
I hope we take what is happening in Florida, etc to heart and don't get too complacent, now that we are moving to Stage 4.
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We visited Chicago over Memorial Day weekend and were VERY impressed with the commitment to mask-wearing and social distancing we saw on the North Side. My son lives in Lincoln Square, and we also spent quite a bit of time walking around Lakeview and Lincoln Park, and the vast majority of people we encountered were doing as advised.
Just talked with my son yesterday and he said he has been dismayed that is no longer the case. He said when he takes his twin boys for a walk now, most people aren't wearing masks, and establishments that are open have some pretty big crowds with little social distancing. They live right across the street from a Lou Malnatis that can slide open its walls, and he said the gatherings there are as if COVID-19 doesn't even exist.
Have others noticed similar?
More than a few of the bars in here in Forest Park have sliding open/garage style fronts and are just letting people sit at the bar with the front open. Unmasked and all. That being said every restaurant I've been had the server wearing a mask and the dining tables distanced. Though I haven't been back in the more dense parts of the city to eat or drink
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Just talked with my son yesterday and he said he has been dismayed that is no longer the case. He said when he takes his twin boys for a walk now, most people aren't wearing masks, and establishments that are open have some pretty big crowds with little social distancing. They live right across the street from a Lou Malnatis that can slide open its walls, and he said the gatherings there are as if COVID-19 doesn't even exist.
Have others noticed similar?
I am not in Illinois, but I have definitely seen a decrease in precautions. Mask-wearing at grocery stores has gone from ~80% to I'd guess ~50% and restaurants are now at 75% capacity and some do not even require the waitstaff to wear masks or gloves.
I said this weeks ago, but it seemed to me like we'd have one long rolling wave because the U.S. response was so un-uniform and inconsistent.
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I am not in Illinois, but I have definitely seen a decrease in precautions. Mask-wearing at grocery stores has gone from ~80% to I'd guess ~50% and restaurants are now at 75% capacity and some do not even require the waitstaff to wear masks or gloves.
I live just north of Milwaukee, and would say people are pretty good in the grocery stores. I’d estimate 80% or above. I’ve only been to a restaurant once and no masks. Ordered ahead at Kopps and probably wouldn’t do that again. A lot of people packed in and maybe 50% masks at best. Luckily I was in and out.
I said this weeks ago, but it seemed to me like we'd have one long rolling wave because the U.S. response was so un-uniform and inconsistent.
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Inside grocery stores, Home Depot, etc. is still 100% here in the from what I have seen. I was at Jewel on Clybourn by the good Taco Bell this week and a younger dude was shopping without a mask. An employee walked up with a disposable mask and told him to either put it on or he would have to leave. He put it on.
When I am taking my dog or kid for a walk do we wear masks in the neighborhood, no, but I also will cross the street or maintain social distancing of at least 6'.
Masks are going to be the rule here until 2021 I think so people should probably just get used to it. Personally, I wouldn't be go inside a confined place without one now.
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+1 Chili
The grocery store we frequent in the South Loop won't let you in if you're not wearing a mask, and is strict about how many people are in the store at the same time. Also, if you touch an item you buy it. They encourage you to get in and out so that more customers can be served.
I'm surprised people go to places that are messing around with your health. It's easy to vote with your dollars.
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Yeah to go off chili's point the Home Depot and Lowe's in galewood/Belmont Craigin are both 100% masks. As is the Home Depot in broadview
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Inside grocery stores, Home Depot, etc. is still 100% here in the from what I have seen. I was at Jewel on Clybourn by the good Taco Bell this week and a younger dude was shopping without a mask. An employee walked up with a disposable mask and told him to either put it on or he would have to leave. He put it on.
When I am taking my dog or kid for a walk do we wear masks in the neighborhood, no, but I also will cross the street or maintain social distancing of at least 6'.
Masks are going to be the rule here until 2021 I think so people should probably just get used to it. Personally, I wouldn't be go inside a confined place without one now.
Thanks for this response, Chili. My son lives about a block and a half from "the Jewels" in Lincoln Square, and they were requiring masks back then. Glad to hear they still are.
And yes, when we took the twins for a walk, we didn't wear our masks unless we were approaching other people. That's obviously reasonable.
Here in Charlotte, I've been extremely disappointed by the selfishness of most people when it comes to this.
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Anti-abortion group sues Pritzker to hold large events.
Apparently not as pro-life as they claim
https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20200624/anti-abortion-group-sues-to-hold-large-gatherings
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Illinois reported Sunday that its rolling 7-day positivity rate is down to 2.3 percent.
For comparison's sake:
Arizona (26%), Florida (18%), Nevada (16%), South Carolina (15%), Alabama (15%), Texas (14.5%), Mississippi (14%), Georgia (13%), Idaho 11%), Kansas (10%) and Utah (10%).
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Joliet, Illinois thread, wow:
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1281211243408363520?s=19
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Joliet, Illinois thread, wow:
https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1281211243408363520?s=19
This woman has been well known as an online racist/troll for years. The BBC even write about her in 2016.
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35813994
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Just to be clear, the woman referred to as racist is not Radley Balko, the name in the link. Read the responses for more info.
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Chicago considering going back to Phase 3
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/07/15/chicago-dangerously-close-to-reversing-course-on-coronavirus-progress-and-going-back-to-phase-3-mayor-warns/
> If we get back up above 400 new cases per day in the city, that will be a cause for serious concern, Arwady said.
We are currently at ~200 cases/day
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Chicago considering going back to Phase 3
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/07/15/chicago-dangerously-close-to-reversing-course-on-coronavirus-progress-and-going-back-to-phase-3-mayor-warns/
> If we get back up above 400 new cases per day in the city, that will be a cause for serious concern, Arwady said.
We are currently at ~200 cases/day
A case spike seems the inevitable result of reopening combined with the 4th of July holiday, and I'm glad the city (and Pritzker) are hammering home their willingness to move back to Phase 3. That said, the state seems far from the crises we're seeing in other states, so hopefully people behave and we don't regress.
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A case spike seems the inevitable result of reopening combined with the 4th of July holiday, and I'm glad the city (and Pritzker) are hammering home their willingness to move back to Phase 3. That said, the state seems far from the crises we're seeing in other states, so hopefully people behave and we don't regress.
Agreed. I feel like this is an, "I'm watching you. Don't f*ck up." statement by Lori.
Most of the July 4th gatherings I saw in the city were 10-or-fewer people. Really chill but with lots of explosives. The people in the neighborhood we were in (Avondale) that usually have ragers took this year off, which I really appreciate.
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Chicago considering going back to Phase 3
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/07/15/chicago-dangerously-close-to-reversing-course-on-coronavirus-progress-and-going-back-to-phase-3-mayor-warns/
> If we get back up above 400 new cases per day in the city, that will be a cause for serious concern, Arwady said.
We are currently at ~200 cases/day
Tale of Two Cities. Some areas subdued/mask wearing. Others crowded with no mask usage.
My guess is we revert in a month as cases/positiviry rate likely to rise again.
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Agreed. I feel like this is an, "I'm watching you. Don't f*ck up." statement by Lori.
Most of the July 4th gatherings I saw in the city were 10-or-fewer people. Really chill but with lots of explosives. The people in the neighborhood we were in (Avondale) that usually have ragers took this year off, which I really appreciate.
I live in Avondale and the fireworks were ridiculous. This will be the last year we stick around for the 4th. Just need to hope and pray the garage or house doesn't catch a errant firework. 3 fireworks related fires within a mile of house.
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I live in Avondale and the fireworks were ridiculous. This will be the last year we stick around for the 4th. Just need to hope and pray the garage or house doesn't catch a errant firework. 3 fireworks related fires within a mile of house.
I have lived in my house in Milwaukee for 15 July 4th’s and never found fireworks in my yard until this year. Reckless and wildly inconsiderate
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I have been watching the zip code reports, and it has been interesting. I could see the uptick last week in the Lincoln Park and north side areas.
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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/see-the-11-new-regions-illinois-is-divided-into-for-coronavirus-response/2305609/
Illinois now divided into 11 health regions.
I think this is a good idea. Naperville can now complain about being lumped in with Aurora, and McHenry can complain about Waukegan, instead of them all complaining about Chicago.
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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/see-the-11-new-regions-illinois-is-divided-into-for-coronavirus-response/2305609/
Illinois now divided into 11 health regions.
I think this is a good idea. Naperville can now complain about being lumped in with Aurora, and McHenry can complain about Waukegan, instead of them all complaining about Chicago.
This virus has shown that state boundries are a useless relic. Having a resort town like Lake Geneva open when it's surrounded by closed down Madison, Milwaukee and Chicago shows how regional cooperation would make much more sense.
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I have lived in my house in Milwaukee for 15 July 4th’s and never found fireworks in my yard until this year. Reckless and wildly inconsiderate
We live downtown near MSOE. We took the dog for a walk around 10:30 and there were fireworks being shot out of higher residential windows and flying horizontally over our heads. It was absurd.
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I agree regional would be best, but that fell apart pretty quickly, and with Wisconsin’s court decision, I don’t see how it can happen.
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This virus has shown that state boundries are a useless relic. Having a resort town like Lake Geneva open when it's surrounded by closed down Madison, Milwaukee and Chicago shows how regional cooperation would make much more sense.
Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan and Illinois should ban together. Does Evers even have to power to discuss it though? All the Facebook warriors think JB is powerless in Illinois (wrong).
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Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan and Illinois should ban together. Does Evers even have to power to discuss it though? All the Facebook warriors think JB is powerless in Illinois (wrong).
Nah, Indiana can suck a D.
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No, I don't know that it can work now. At one point there were billboards by the Indiana-Michigan border touting the fact that they were open and Michigan was not, and they were luring people from Illinois as well. And I imagine the court decision in Wisconsin means we can't do anything with them. Even today, I heard a guy on the radio from Illinois touting the fact that the flea market just over the border in Wisconsin where his wife sells stuff is great because everybody is going there instead of to the Kane County one, and so it's crowded.
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CPS expected to announce tomorrow that they're starting the school year 100% distance learning. CTU is trying to stand up for their health, with rumors of a strike vote next week if CPS decides on a hybrid approach putting them at risk.
https://abc7chicago.com/illinois-schools-school-opening-cps-reopening-chicago/6353705/
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CPS expected to announce tomorrow that they're starting the school year 100% distance learning. CTU is trying to stand up for their health, with rumors of a strike vote next week if CPS decides on a hybrid approach putting them at risk.
https://abc7chicago.com/illinois-schools-school-opening-cps-reopening-chicago/6353705/
Captain Obvious checking in on what the CTU plans were all along.
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My sister, the nurse, who works both at a trauma center and suburban hospitals, says things getting worse again. More beds devoted to Covid, supplies getting tight, and more negative outcomes.
Anecdotal I know. Hate to be a negativo but sounds like things are going to get worse again in Chicago area.
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My sister, the nurse, who works both at a trauma center and suburban hospitals, says things getting worse again. More beds devoted to Covid, supplies getting tight, and more negative outcomes.
Anecdotal I know. Hate to be a negativo but sounds like things are going to get worse again in Chicago area.
Not great to hear and hopefully isolated. The numbers the state is providing don't show that type of trend.
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My sister, the nurse, who works both at a trauma center and suburban hospitals, says things getting worse again. More beds devoted to Covid, supplies getting tight, and more negative outcomes.
Anecdotal I know. Hate to be a negativo but sounds like things are going to get worse again in Chicago area.
The problem with antecdotal evidence:
(https://openlyadhd.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/13944682478_772a50ce5c_b.jpg?w=820)
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I ran into a nurse a few weeks ago from Swedish Covenant, in the Ravenswood/Lincoln Square area. At that point she said they were holding steady but worried.
People are out socializing, I see teens/young adults hanging out in groups with no precautions, people having parties, not wearing masks, too many people traveling. In addition, I think we are also simply surrounded by other states who have been much more open for far longer than Illinois has been, so it’s easy to run across the state line. When we were still in phase 1, I would hear people call into radio stations proudly talking about how ‘normal’ things were in Indiana.
Even now I read how south suburban parents are trying to enroll their kids in different fall sports leagues in Indiana, because they have been shut down here.
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I ran into a nurse a few weeks ago from Swedish Covenant, in the Ravenswood/Lincoln Square area. At that point she said they were holding steady but worried.
People are out socializing, I see teens/young adults hanging out in groups with no precautions, people having parties, not wearing masks, too many people traveling. In addition, I think we are also simply surrounded by other states who have been much more open for far longer than Illinois has been, so it’s easy to run across the state line. When we were still in phase 1, I would hear people call into radio stations proudly talking about how ‘normal’ things were in Indiana.
Even now I read how south suburban parents are trying to enroll their kids in different fall sports leagues in Indiana, because they have been shut down here.
I used to live in Lincoln Square. I miss Swedish Covenant's gym (Galter Center). Great gym and great staff.
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I’m thinking of switching, once I feel ready to go back to the gym, so good to know. I have heard on Nextdoor that they have been diligent about following protocols, which I am glad to hear.
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Not great to hear and hopefully isolated. The numbers the state is providing don't show that type of trend.
We are nearly back to peak per-day new cases. I think we'll be locked down again in the next month.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/illinois-coronavirus-cases.html
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We're talking about different things. I'm talking about hospitalizations and ICU beds and deaths have dropped fairly significantly over the past 30-45 days
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We are nearly back to peak per-day new cases. I think we'll be locked down again in the next month.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/illinois-coronavirus-cases.html
The case total here is a bit misleading, in that the state has seen a major surge in testing over the past week, perhaps coinciding with the return to school.
In May, we were seeing 2,000+ daily cases from 13,000 tests. Today we're seeing 2,000 cases from 50,000+ tests.
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We're talking about different things. I'm talking about hospitalizations and ICU beds and deaths have dropped fairly significantly over the past 30-45 days
I presume those are Illinois numbers? IL numbers could look okay for a short time even though Chicago would be increasing. Sooner or later it will show in those total IL numbers though. Let's hope they don't.
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yes - IL
Chicago MSA is 75% of the state's population. I think it would have already showed up...
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I’m thinking of switching, once I feel ready to go back to the gym, so good to know. I have heard on Nextdoor that they have been diligent about following protocols, which I am glad to hear.
I wish our Nextdoor was more active. The only people who post are MLMers hawking their crap.
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Right now Cook is actually not one of the counties on the watch list for reimplementing restrictions, those are mostly in the central and southern areas.
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Right now Cook is actually not one of the counties on the watch list for reimplementing restrictions, those are mostly in the central and southern areas.
Yup. Pritzker just shut down indoor dining/drinking at restaurants and bars in Will and Kankakee counties, after doing the same last week in Metro East.
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Restrictions easing in Chicago, we're continuing to do a pretty good job.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/09/28/coronavirus-restrictions-eased-bars-can-serve-inside-again-restaurants-can-be-40-percent/
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Saw this blind item and wondering if it might be JBP. Any other guesses?:
In case you did not know, rules for business opening, closures, or restrictions in the United States are made on a state-by-state basis by that state’s government, led by the Governor.
This particular State’s Governor said that it was unsafe for people in his state to attend sporting events. He actually banned fans from the stands.
The local professional football team played a game recently. Since Governor is a football fan, you might think that he watched the game on TV from the comfort of his living room sofa.
Nope!
He came to the stadium with a group of people to watch the game in person. There was a strict no photos rule. He didn’t want the public to know that he was there.
He might have even wandered into the locker room after the game.
Rules for thee… but not for me!
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Rules for thee… but not for me!
I wish this was the most outrageous example of this in the last 24hrs.
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I wish this was the most outrageous example of this in the last 24hrs.
Me, too.
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Saw this blind item and wondering if it might be JBP. Any other guesses?:
In case you did not know, rules for business opening, closures, or restrictions in the United States are made on a state-by-state basis by that state’s government, led by the Governor.
This particular State’s Governor said that it was unsafe for people in his state to attend sporting events. He actually banned fans from the stands.
The local professional football team played a game recently. Since Governor is a football fan, you might think that he watched the game on TV from the comfort of his living room sofa.
Nope!
He came to the stadium with a group of people to watch the game in person. There was a strict no photos rule. He didn’t want the public to know that he was there.
He might have even wandered into the locker room after the game.
Rules for thee… but not for me!
My guess is that it was Sisolak from Nevada. Huge Raiders fan, and I know the NFL is investigating unauthorized guests in the locker room post game.
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Indoor service suspended at Chicago bars and restaurants. Bars and restaurants in the city must close by 11 p.m. and all patrons must be seated at outdoor tables. Gatherings must be limited to 25 people or 25% of a room’s overall capacity.
https://news.wttw.com/2020/10/27/indoor-service-chicago-bars-restaurants-suspended-amid-covid-19-spike
Officials on Tuesday reported 4,000 new COVID-19 cases and 46 virus-related deaths in Illinois.
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Officials on Tuesday reported 4,000 new COVID-19 cases and 46 virus-related deaths in Illinois.
Let's go, guys. Wisconsin is still winning. 5,200+ cases. 64 deaths.
Step it up, Illinois.
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Let's go, guys. Wisconsin is still winning. 5,200+ cases. 64 deaths.
Step it up, Illinois.
Not a fair fight. Illinois is actually trying to mitigate.
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IHSA going to play basketball... not the smartest of the sports to give the green light for if you ask me but I guess we'll see
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IHSA going to play basketball... not the smartest of the sports to give the green light for if you ask me but I guess we'll see
Pritzker brought up the legal liability of schools deciding to not follow state guidelines. Schools are worried about the state Board of Education withholding funds, too.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/10/28/21538695/ihsa-high-school-sports-defy-pritzker-basketball
Hopefully schools themselves are smarter than the jokers at the IHSA.
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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/illinois-keeps-a-secret-list-of-thousands-of-coronavirus-outbreaks-now-nbc-5-has-it/2361313/
The "Secret List that Illinois has been keeping" about outbreaks, and NBC got it. Pretty sensationalist, but still:
Not a ton of data here (only 3,103 cases successfully contact traced) compared to the total number of cases Illinois has seen, and pretty poor job contact tracing just like the rest of the USA. No wonder they've kept it private so far, imo.
Outbreak category (cases resulting)
58 preschools (235 cases)
69 grade schools (226 cases)
28 colleges (226 cases)
42 churches (414 cases)
118 restaurants and bars (448 cases)
72 retail stores and businesse (322 cases)
That adds up to 1,871 cases. The remaining 1,142 were from private parties slash get-togethers.
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We’re not where we need to be on contact tracing, but apparently people are also ignoring the contact tracers.
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We’re not where we need to be on contact tracing, but apparently people are also ignoring the contact tracers.
"I'm calling from the government and I'm here to help."
I can see why most people aren't cooperating. Phishing scams, con artists, Nigerian princes, people are trained not to give out info over the phone to random callers.
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"I'm calling from the government and I'm here to help."
I can see why most people aren't cooperating. Phishing scams, con artists, Nigerian princes, people are trained not to give out info over the phone to random callers.
You need to be more trusting. My grandma certainly is.
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"I'm calling from the government and I'm here to help."
I can see why most people aren't cooperating. Phishing scams, con artists, Nigerian princes, people are trained not to give out info over the phone to random callers.
Very fair point. I have to ignore about 5-10 calls per day. And if I don't recognize the number, I'm not picking up.
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"I'm calling from the government and I'm here to help."
I can see why most people aren't cooperating. Phishing scams, con artists, Nigerian princes, people are trained not to give out info over the phone to random callers.
Absolutely correct.
I am not answering phone numbers I don't know.
I am not answering any questions in general. I hate getting phone calls for surveys from places I have been or from my own insurance company or anything else. I am definitely not answering random questions about contact tracing. I would inform my friends if I was positive and in contact with them.
Contact tracing is kind of a waste of time and money. Better off on spending money for inexpensive home tests being sent out to hot zone areas and asking everyone to take the test in their own private home and quarantine accordingly if you test positive.
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Absolutely correct.
I am not answering phone numbers I don't know.
I am not answering any questions in general. I hate getting phone calls for surveys from places I have been or from my own insurance company or anything else. I am definitely not answering random questions about contact tracing. I would inform my friends if I was positive and in contact with them.
Contact tracing is kind of a waste of time and money. Better off on spending money for inexpensive home tests being sent out to hot zone areas and asking everyone to take the test in their own private home and quarantine accordingly if you test positive.
Herein lies the problem. No one wants to do anything.
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Herein lies the problem. No one wants to do anything.
Home tests? People won’t trust them. Test positive? I have to go to work anyway or go to the bar or restaurant or movie or grocery store and so on.
We are selfish people. Freedoms? It’s selfishness
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Contact tracing has been used very effectively in other countries, most notably various Asian ones, it’s hardly a waste of time and money.
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"I'm calling from the government and I'm here to help."
I can see why most people aren't cooperating. Phishing scams, con artists, Nigerian princes, people are trained not to give out info over the phone to random callers.
And over the last several weeks, countless robocalls from political campaigns asking for money.
Contact tracing is critical to fight a pandemic, but it’s easy to see why people would be reluctant to answer a call from an unfamiliar number.
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And over the last several weeks, countless robocalls from political campaigns asking for money.
Contact tracing is critical to fight a pandemic, but it’s easy to see why people would be reluctant to answer a call from an unfamiliar number.
I don’t answer numbers I don’t know as well. Maybe I should?
I’m probably being naive but I’d imagine one would know if they might be contacted by a tracer? If there’s an outbreak at a restaurant or some locale, I’d know If I had been there or if a friend or acquaintance got sick I’d expect a possible call? With so many potential layers, it’s a thankless job
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I don’t answer numbers I don’t know as well. Maybe I should?
I’m probably being naive but I’d imagine one would know if they might be contacted by a tracer? If there’s an outbreak at a restaurant or some locale, I’d know If I had been there or if a friend or acquaintance got sick I’d expect a possible call? With so many potential layers, it’s a thankless job
Yep. It’s a tough one.
I hope contact tracers are taught to leave a message. I ignore unknown numbers but if I got a message I would listen to it and I would certainly call the department of health if the message indicated it was for contact tracing purposes.
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Yep. It’s a tough one.
I hope contact tracers are taught to leave a message. I ignore unknown numbers but if I got a message I would listen to it and I would certainly call the department of health if the message indicated it was for contact tracing purposes.
"This is the Social Security administration with an urgent message..."
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"This is the Social Security administration with an urgent message..."
I most definitely would not just call the same number back. I would contact the local Department of Health to verify that the contact was legit.
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Very fair point. I have to ignore about 5-10 calls per day. And if I don't recognize the number, I'm not picking up.
My wife and I have been getting several calls per week from companies trying to sell us extended warranties for our cars. This is relatively new, maybe been going on for 3 months or so. We have tried blocking the numbers, not answering, etc, but we keep getting 'em.
Anybody else?
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My wife and I have been getting several calls per week from companies trying to sell us extended warranties for our cars. This is relatively new, maybe been going on for 3 months or so. We have tried blocking the numbers, not answering, etc, but we keep getting 'em.
Anybody else?
Yep. Recently it's the extended warranty ones .. but also something about health care insurance.
This month we're also getting 1-2 calls per day from "CALTROLL_123" .. troll .. there is never anyone on the other end. I figure it was hackers testing the phone system. With the proximity to the elections, it made me think they were related.
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I’ve been getting the extended warranties for quite a while now.
Before I traded the car in this past January, it was ten years old with 160,000 miles. I always wanted to say, sure, give me an extended warranty....
They are still calling about that car.
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It amazes me when I get extended warranty calls/letters for my 1998 wrangler with about 300k miles. Uhh...what would you possibly cover? But I still get them every year.
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I get calls about air duct cleaning, sometimes 3-4 a day.
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Student loans has been common for me. Haven't had a loan in a decade but whatevs.
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So I learned today of at least one bar/restaurant in the city commonly frequented by CFD and CPD on the northwest side that just put up white paper over the windows and are having patrons coming in the back door to full capacity. What a joke.
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So I learned today of at least one bar/restaurant in the city commonly frequented by CFD and CPD on the northwest side that just put up white paper over the windows and are having patrons coming in the back door to full capacity. What a joke.
Name and shame on the neighborhood facebook group. My neighborhood has been working to get those restaurants fined, and celebrating the restaurants playing by the rules and keeping the community safe.
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So I learned today of at least one bar/restaurant in the city commonly frequented by CFD and CPD on the northwest side that just put up white paper over the windows and are having patrons coming in the back door to full capacity. What a joke.
Just report to Lightfoot and Pritzkers offices.
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So I learned today of at least one bar/restaurant in the city commonly frequented by CFD and CPD on the northwest side that just put up white paper over the windows and are having patrons coming in the back door to full capacity. What a joke.
Bust them.
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The far northwest side is populated by CPD and CFD - mentioning it in a neighborhood FB group would bring it praise and probably more business. Report them to the city. Or call the media. Or both.
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The far northwest side is populated by CPD and CFD - mentioning it in a neighborhood FB group would bring it praise and probably more business. Report them to the city. Or call the media. Or both.
I want to confirm it's happening and not get this place canceled without the facts. I know that at least it's happening for my uncle's retirement party from CFD.
If it's a daily happening Im absolutely calling the media
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12,438 new cases reported on Saturday.
Pritzker said he can't rule out a lockdown in the coming weeks.
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12,438 new cases reported on Saturday.
Pritzker said he can't rule out a lockdown in the coming weeks.
That's awfully nice of him since he was partying it up over the weekend in large crowds.
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That's awfully nice of him since he was partying it up over the weekend in large crowds.
Pritzker has no one but himself to blame for Illinois communities shunning his decrees. It’s not complicated stuff. Lead by example and he’s failed
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Pritzker has no one but himself to blame for Illinois communities shunning his decrees. It’s not complicated stuff. Lead by example and he’s failed
That's not true and you know it. Orland and Naperville and all over down stage were suing to stop the shut downs and mask mandates since even before he went to his estate in WI
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That's not true and you know it. Orland and Naperville and all over down stage were suing to stop the shut downs and mask mandates since even before he went to his estate in WI
What you ask of your fellow citizens is what you need to do yourself. I should have clarified and said those communities are being stupid as well. Pritzker has opened himself to these issues
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Record cases and hospitalizations today. Spike in deaths, 145, is a top 5 covid deaths day for the state.
Stay at home requested but not ordered
https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/illinois-reports-record-number-of-covid-19-cases-and-hospitalizations-biggest-spike-in-deaths-since-late-may/
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https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/pritzker-announces-new-covid-19-restrictions-for-illinois-as-state-sees-a-second-wave-of-cases/
All of Illinois will move to Tier 3 of COVID-19 restrictions starting Friday. What does that mean?
> Under the order, casinos and gaming locations are closed in addition to “indoor recreation centers” like theaters, performing arts centers, indoor museums and amusement centers. Indoor service at bars and restaurants is not permitted, while both must end outdoor service by 11 p.m.
> It also “pauses” all indoor sports leagues including youth sports, while outdoor sports and recreation are allowed under some restrictions.
> Social events in the home are limited to household members only.
> Businesses including gyms, salons, “big box” stores and other retail stores must limit their capacity to 25% or less, although grocery stores and pharmacies can operate up to 50% capacity.
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https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/pritzker-announces-new-covid-19-restrictions-for-illinois-as-state-sees-a-second-wave-of-cases/
All of Illinois will move to Tier 3 of COVID-19 restrictions starting Friday. What does that mean?
> Under the order, casinos and gaming locations are closed in addition to “indoor recreation centers” like theaters, performing arts centers, indoor museums and amusement centers. Indoor service at bars and restaurants is not permitted, while both must end outdoor service by 11 p.m.
> It also “pauses” all indoor sports leagues including youth sports, while outdoor sports and recreation are allowed under some restrictions.
> Social events in the home are limited to household members only.
> Businesses including gyms, salons, “big box” stores and other retail stores must limit their capacity to 25% or less, although grocery stores and pharmacies can operate up to 50% capacity.
"Essential" workers sure aren't getting paid like it.
I'd LOVE for grocery workers, amazon warehouse workers and other various important pandemic workers to go on strike right now. Get what you deserve.
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> Social events in the home are limited to household members only.
That's a nice recommendation for the holidays, but if you can't enforce a regulation, there's no sense in having a regulation.
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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/crowds-seen-at-ohare-as-travelers-depart-chicago-ahead-of-thanksgiving-holiday/2376658/
O'hare packed with holiday travelers, RIP older relatives.
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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/crowds-seen-at-ohare-as-travelers-depart-chicago-ahead-of-thanksgiving-holiday/2376658/
O'hare packed with holiday travelers, RIP older relatives.
Today's paper said they expected Thanksgiving week travel to be the busiest since just before the pandemic started.
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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/crowds-seen-at-ohare-as-travelers-depart-chicago-ahead-of-thanksgiving-holiday/2376658/
O'hare packed with holiday travelers, RIP older relatives.
Doctors, CDC and state health officials keep PLEADING with people to stay home for the holidays...and people just keep ignoring them.
The 'me first' mentality has run amok.
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I feel so much shame for getting talked into going to AZ. Taking Vit C, Zinc and D3 for the past few days and will the entire time heading down, have an N95 and a copper threaded mask to wear over that. Going to pack saline rinse to use the moment I land and loads of hand sanitizer. Any other suggestions? Besides the obvious don't go.
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It's not the travel that's the issue. It's the what you are going to do when you get there. If people are travelling from one bubble to the next, just in a different geographic location, that's not really a problem. But travelling to simply do a typical Thanksgiving without a quarantine ahead of time...that's a problem.
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It's not the travel that's the issue. It's the what you are going to do when you get there. If people are travelling from one bubble to the next, just in a different geographic location, that's not really a problem. But travelling to simply do a typical Thanksgiving without a quarantine ahead of time...that's a problem.
That was my thought process and only solace I took in going there till I just saw that article showing the crowds
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I feel so much shame for getting talked into going to AZ. Taking Vit C, Zinc and D3 for the past few days and will the entire time heading down, have an N95 and a copper threaded mask to wear over that. Going to pack saline rinse to use the moment I land and loads of hand sanitizer. Any other suggestions? Besides the obvious don't go.
Tri knot ta breathe da air, hey?
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Tri knot ta breathe da air, hey?
Tower, did you try this before you got COVID? Seems like a solid strategy from the dentist.
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That was my thought process and only solace I took in going there till I just saw that article showing the crowds
Galway, from what I've read, what you are doing is largely fine. You have taken every precaution before hand not to be exposed and to be COVID-free. Going above an beyond with precautions during travel, and I'd assume, "staying in a bubble when you arrive."
Although nothing is risk-free. What you are doing is the best you can do.
As others have noted, the big risk is people who are largely going about life as usual, then traveling to family gatherings with others who are going about life as usual. That type of activity has the potential for super-spreader events, that then transplant isolated cases to diverse communities, once everyone returns home.
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I feel so much shame for getting talked into going to AZ. Taking Vit C, Zinc and D3 for the past few days and will the entire time heading down, have an N95 and a copper threaded mask to wear over that. Going to pack saline rinse to use the moment I land and loads of hand sanitizer. Any other suggestions? Besides the obvious don't go.
In all seriousness, wear goggles that either seal or fit snuggly against your face. Also, avoid lowering your mask while onboard. So, no eating or drinking. If funds aren't an issue, fly first class and purchase the seat next to you and keep it vacant, hey?
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Thanks both of you for the tips. Yes fiancé and I have both just seen each other indoors for just shy of two weeks and getting tested Monday, so hopefully no worries about us bringing it.
Is it true about listerine fighting Covid?
Sadly no first class, the way we got talked into traveling was by not having to buy the ticket.
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When we flew to/from Seattle last month, we each wore goggles and two masks -- an N95, with a cloth one over it.
But frankly, it was the airport scene that I really hated. Especially in Charlotte, where there was absolutely no social distancing, where several mouth-breathers broke rules by not wearing masks, etc. It was hard to find even a corner where we felt away from the crowd.
It was better in Seattle, perhaps because our flight home was very early and the airport was less crowded.
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Thanks both of you for the tips. Yes fiancé and I have both just seen each other indoors for just shy of two weeks and getting tested Monday, so hopefully no worries about us bringing it.
Is it true about listerine fighting Covid?
Sadly no first class, the way we got talked into traveling was by not having to buy the ticket.
Sorry, Listerine has not been shown to be virucidal, hey?
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35 Chicago Fire Department cases have been traced back to a retirement party at that bar I mentioned in Jefferson Park.
I'd say not going was one of my better decisions.
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Understatement of the day.
Boggles my mind. You would think they would know better, but no-o-o.
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wear goggles that either seal or fit snuggly against your face.
When we flew to/from Seattle last month, we each wore goggles
Hmm, 2 things:
1) I've not heard any talk of infection though the eye sockets - especially if everyone else is masked
2) I've been on lots of flights, and not seen a single case of goggles.
Now - for example, I can understand why a dentist would wear goggles while practicing his profession - too much crap being flung around. But I've seen no studies that recommend goggles for "normal life" to protect yourself from Covid. Have I missed the memo here?
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Just don't touch your eyes during the flight. You should be fine.
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Hmm, 2 things:
1) I've not heard any talk of infection though the eye sockets - especially if everyone else is masked
2) I've been on lots of flights, and not seen a single case of goggles.
Now - for example, I can understand why a dentist would wear goggles while practicing his profession - too much crap being flung around. But I've seen no studies that recommend goggles for "normal life" to protect yourself from Covid. Have I missed the memo here?
Your eyes are mucus membranes and viable routes of transmission. A lower route of transmission, because we aren't actively sucking in particles through our eyes (like we do nose and throat), but in certain environments it is an active pathway, hence medical and dental personnel wearing full face shields in addition to masks.
In the case of an airplane, the confined aspects could lead to a more likely possibility of infection through the eyes. Still much lower, but not zero. So if someone wants to be safest, a pair of protective eye where can cut additional small risks...and they are more comfortable than masks.
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In the case of an airplane, the confined aspects could lead to a more likely possibility of infection through the eyes.
I know some of it is marketing that airplanes are safer that most other indoor spaces, but still, there are some studies that show that the airflow in airplanes is better than most indoor spaces Like this TB study (TB is highly airborne). Gives me some reassurance that - when masked - airplanes are relatively low risk (don't get me started on the DEN inter-terminal train though...).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143720/
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143711/bin/ch3f1.jpg)
All said - if someone wants to wear goggles as a precaution - of course there could be some benefit. I just probably won't be adding it to my routine :)
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35 Chicago Fire Department cases have been traced back to a retirement party at that bar I mentioned in Jefferson Park.
I'd say not going was one of my better decisions.
The one with boarded up front windows and people going in/out the back?
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The one with boarded up front windows and people going in/out the back?
Yep that's the one. It was my uncle's retirement, and more than a few of the firefighters in attendance have lingering lung issues from helping clean up 9/11 including him. I'd say I can't imagine the top brass are happy oh except they were there celebrating too.
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I know some of it is marketing that airplanes are safer that most other indoor spaces, but still, there are some studies that show that the airflow in airplanes is better than most indoor spaces Like this TB study (TB is highly airborne). Gives me some reassurance that - when masked - airplanes are relatively low risk (don't get me started on the DEN inter-terminal train though...).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143720/
All said - if someone wants to wear goggles as a precaution - of course there could be some benefit. I just probably won't be adding it to my routine :)
This study is small enough to be inconclusive (imo), but people that wear eyeglasses are less likely to get covid. - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/16/well/live/does-wearing-glasses-protect-you-from-coronavirus.html
So protective eyewear could be something as simple as fake glasses. Nose and mustache optional.
Or stay home. The people currently in airport terminals, lounges, and on planes are exactly the plague-deniers you don't want to be around right now.
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The people currently in airport terminals, lounges, and on planes are exactly the plague-deniers you don't want to be around right now.
I know a number of people who have flown who aren't plague deniers. Painting with a broad brush rarely works well.
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I know a number of people who have flown who aren't plague deniers. Painting with a broad brush rarely works well.
You must be new here.
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You must be new here.
Literally new to the entire internet.
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I know a number of people who have flown who aren't plague deniers. Painting with a broad brush rarely works well.
Yeah - a bit too broad. But, as much as I've traveled up through October/early Nov, I'm not planning any flights through Feb at this point. Too much community spread for my liking.
This study is small enough to be inconclusive (imo), but people that wear eyeglasses are less likely to get covid. -
I do wear glasses when mom lets me leave the basement, so that's interesting news.
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I do wear glasses when mom lets me leave the basement, so that's interesting news.
Wait - she lets you leave the basement?!?
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Yep that's the one. It was my uncle's retirement, and more than a few of the firefighters in attendance have lingering lung issues from helping clean up 9/11 including him. I'd say I can't imagine the top brass are happy oh except they were there celebrating too.
I should say they all should lose their jobs/retirement.
But, unions and such.
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Yeah - a bit too broad. But, as much as I've traveled up through October/early Nov, I'm not planning any flights through Feb at this point. Too much community spread for my liking.
I do wear glasses when mom lets me leave the basement, so that's interesting news.
Look at Mr. Bigshot over here with an entire basement.
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Look at Mr. Bigshot over here with an entire basement.
Exceedingly well played…
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Look at Mr. Bigshot over here with an entire basement.
a basement that WE paid for!
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I know some of it is marketing that airplanes are safer that most other indoor spaces, but still, there are some studies that show that the airflow in airplanes is better than most indoor spaces Like this TB study (TB is highly airborne). Gives me some reassurance that - when masked - airplanes are relatively low risk (don't get me started on the DEN inter-terminal train though...).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143720/
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK143711/bin/ch3f1.jpg)
All said - if someone wants to wear goggles as a precaution - of course there could be some benefit. I just probably won't be adding it to my routine :)
I've seen similar studies. They seem reasonable. I honestly have no idea one way or the other.
In general, I am not going to wear goggles, even though I have some pairs of cool safety glasses. Also, though would fault someone for deciding they want the extra protection.
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Workers striking at 11 nursing homes. I hope this isn't as contagious across all healthcare disciplines as I fear it is.
Unbelievable they have to go so far just to get $15/hr.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-illinois-nursing-home-strike-20201123-yhloq3vzp5guvenvscjq7y4vlm-story.html
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St. Louis ICU beds are full. Patients are being driven/helicoptered elsewhere.
https://fox2now.com/news/local-hospitals-now-searching-for-icu-beds-between-st-louis-and-chicago/
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https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/over-100k-covid-19-vaccine-doses-given-so-far-in-illinois-as-state-reports-6762-cases-135-deaths/
100,000 people received their first dose of the vaccine in Illinois so far (distributed to frontline healthcare workers and residents of long-term care facilities). Looks like we're first in the nation in getting the vaccine to the people.
Averaging just 6,781 cases per day (7-day average), which is half of what we were seeing around Thanksgiving.
Illinois has successfully flattened the curve again. Hopefully we can make it through the holiday season without another spike! Looks like we'll be staying with the current restrictions (Tier 3) until hospitalizations go down. The St Louis area has continued to put a strain on our downstate hospital systems.
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Dr. Murphy said this week that we shouldn’t be patting ourselves on the back until we are down to 600 instead of 6,000, but clearly the additional restrictions have put a major dent in the numbers. We never had the Thanksgiving surge, thankfully. I doubt JB will loosen any restrictions until after the holidays.
Unfortunately we do have to acknowledge the awful cost to the hospitality industry. They very much need additional support. But I will not in future patronize places that deliberately and proudly violated the guidelines.
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But I will not in future patronize places that deliberately and proudly violated the guidelines.
This.
We're going back to hybrid learning on 1/20 and my daughter is very excited.
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DePaul is joining Columbia College in the "Chicago universities requiring a vaccination to for the fall semester"
https://resources.depaul.edu/newsline/sections/campus-and-community/Pages/COVID-19-vaccine-April-21.aspx
> In the spirit of caring for each other and for our surrounding community, DePaul has decided to require students to be vaccinated for COVID-19 when the 2021-22 academic year begins. This requirement covers all undergraduate, graduate and professional students in all degree programs who intend to be on campus for any period of time starting in the fall 2021 term.
Hopefully, other universities follow suit. Should be plenty of time for the kids to get shots over the summer.
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Tons of availability right now, the college kids don’t have to wait until summer.
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Tons of availability right now, the college kids don’t have to wait until summer.
Still tricky to get a shot in the city. It's easier downstate where there are more anti-vaxxers, but not all city people have personal transportation.
Co-workers are mostly getting shots, but a few are still hunting every day for their first dose. Mainly those trying to work around their kid's schedule.
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Tons of availability for city residents right now on zocdoc. United Center has appointments today, Wrigley was on there earlier, all sorts of places. Different wards and churches are having events, Rush and UIC have open slots too.
If they are still having trouble have them join the Vaccine Hunters group because every day people are posting walk in information all over the place.
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Tons of availability for city residents right now on zocdoc. United Center has appointments today, Wrigley was on there earlier, all sorts of places. Different wards and churches are having events, Rush and UIC have open slots too.
If they are still having trouble have them join the Vaccine Hunters group because every day people are posting walk in information all over the place.
Good to hear. The FB group?
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Walgreens will probably have a big drop tomorrow.
Seriously when people are asking for assistance in the group they get so many responses now that they almost always book something within a short time ( unless it’s something like, I need 3 pm next Thursday a five minute drive from my house -then we throw our hands up and say, whatever).
There is tons of availability.
Yes the FB group
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Chicago Vaccine Hunters.
There are forms in Announcements for the Vaccine Angels to help. They are doing their own homebound program even separate from the city one. These teens are amazing and restore my faith in the future.
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Chicago is going to start taking walkins at their mass vaccination sites. No excuse for your coworkers now 😁
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Chicago's mask mandate is reinstated for all indoors activities starting Friday.
From Bloomberg:
> Masks will be required for anyone over the age of 2 regardless of vaccination in all indoor public settings, including bars and restaurants when not actively eating or drinking, gyms, common areas of condos and private clubs, according to the new rules. Masks remain mandatory on public transportation, schools and congregate settings.
No real biggie. Most places that I frequent in the city have remained 75%+ masked-up indoors since the mask mandate was dropped.
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Chicago's mask mandate is reinstated for all indoors activities starting Friday.
From Bloomberg:
> Masks will be required for anyone over the age of 2 regardless of vaccination in all indoor public settings, including bars and restaurants when not actively eating or drinking, gyms, common areas of condos and private clubs, according to the new rules. Masks remain mandatory on public transportation, schools and congregate settings.
No real biggie. Most places that I frequent in the city have remained 75%+ masked-up indoors since the mask mandate was dropped.
Surprising and odd, in that the city's hospitals aren't close to stressed (hospitalizations are down 18 percent from last week and deaths are down 24 percent). Also, the governor has said that as of now he has no plans to issue a statewide mandate.
Seems an overreaction to surpassing a case metric that may have made been important pre-vaccine, but not so much today.
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No real biggie. Most places that I frequent in the city have remained 75%+ masked-up indoors since the mask mandate was dropped.
Seriously? Where have you been going all summer that has been overwhelmingly mask wearing? I can't even thinking of many places that have had 75% masked up staff since mandates started coming off in May.
Surprising and odd, in that the city's hospitals aren't close to stressed (hospitalizations are down 18 percent from last week and deaths are down 24 percent). Also, the governor has said that as of now he has no plans to issue a statewide mandate.
Seems an overreaction to surpassing a case metric that may have made been important pre-vaccine, but not so much today.
I asked one of my buddies who is in the medical field in Chicago, around that same line of thinking, and he basically shrugged and said "Ive stopped trying to guess what Lightfoot will do, whether around COVID or otherwise, its too haphazard across the board"
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I never stopped masking indoors, except at my church, and even there, started again a couple weeks ago. I also think it depends what area of the city you are in.
I am fine with doing it now. I would rather do it too early than wait until it gets worse. And many places were starting to require it anyway - my local Ace started last week; last week at my church we were highly recommending it, and only about six people turned us down. I was at the Art Institute a couple weeks ago, and a lot of people were masking voluntarily.
Frankly, I just don't why it's even a big deal.
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It isn't.
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I never stopped masking indoors, except at my church, and even there, started again a couple weeks ago. I also think it depends what area of the city you are in.
I am fine with doing it now. I would rather do it too early than wait until it gets worse. And many places were starting to require it anyway - my local Ace started last week; last week at my church we were highly recommending it, and only about six people turned us down. I was at the Art Institute a couple weeks ago, and a lot of people were masking voluntarily.
Frankly, I just don't why it's even a big deal.
It isn't.
In your respective opinions. And thats fine. Plenty of people have said they'd potentially wear masks during flu season in the future. Great. I just think its problematic when there is an attitude of anyone who doesn't want to put a mask back on is some jackass or being annoyed by it is taboo.
I'll wear it mandated or a particular business asks of me. My therapist's office is requiring it as of 9/1, so be it. But I'm vaccinated, I did my part and I'll do it again if I have to, I don't need the general sentiment of tsk tsk'ing suddenly making vaccinated people not keen to mask back up as bad as mid 2020s anti maskers.
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Seriously? Where have you been going all summer that has been overwhelmingly mask wearing? I can't even thinking of many places that have had 75% masked up staff since mandates started coming off in May.
You must not live in the city? South Loop, Loop, River North, Lakeview, Logan... all mostly masked indoors unless people are eating. Going to Wisconsin & rural Illinois was a culture shock with both lack of masks and obesity. I guess if I lived out there I'd be hoping for death too (kidding).
Surprising and odd, in that the city's hospitals aren't close to stressed (hospitalizations are down 18 percent from last week and deaths are down 24 percent). Also, the governor has said that as of now he has no plans to issue a statewide mandate.
Seems an overreaction to surpassing a case metric that may have made been important pre-vaccine, but not so much today.
IMO, there's no coincidence that it coincides with kids going back to school.
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In your respective opinions. And thats fine. Plenty of people have said they'd potentially wear masks during flu season in the future. Great. I just think its problematic when there is an attitude of anyone who doesn't want to put a mask back on is some jackass or being annoyed by it is taboo.
I'll wear it mandated or a particular business asks of me. My therapist's office is requiring it as of 9/1, so be it. But I'm vaccinated, I did my part and I'll do it again if I have to, I don't need the general sentiment of tsk tsk'ing suddenly making vaccinated people not keen to mask back up as bad as mid 2020s anti maskers.
Sorry. Ran on another two unvaccinated people with multiple COVID symptoms in the last 4 hours. I will try to take your feelings into consideration in the future.
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Surprising and odd, in that the city's hospitals aren't close to stressed (hospitalizations are down 18 percent from last week and deaths are down 24 percent). Also, the governor has said that as of now he has no plans to issue a statewide mandate.
Seems an overreaction to surpassing a case metric that may have made been important pre-vaccine, but not so much today.
you make sense. How bout that!
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You must not live in the city? South Loop, Loop, River North, Lakeview, Logan... all mostly masked indoors unless people are eating. Going to Wisconsin & rural Illinois was a culture shock with both lack of masks and obesity. I guess if I lived out there I'd be hoping for death too (kidding).
IMO, there's no coincidence that it coincides with kids going back to school.
Not anymore, but Ive been to into the city 3-4 times since May. The only places I saw predominantly masked people was when I went to ORD. Most of my friends are still there and from first hand accounts and social media posting, it didn't look all that different than what I saw in MKE.
Sorry. Ran on another two unvaccinated people with multiple COVID symptoms in the last 4 hours. I will try to take your feelings into consideration in the future.
Ok man ::) Continue to extrapolate your hyper sensitivity due to a really unfortunate experience I truly have sympathy for, as well as a high risk line of work, upon everyone else. Good looks.
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Ok man ::) Continue to extrapolate your hyper sensitivity due to a really unfortunate experience I truly have sympathy for, as well as a high risk line of work, upon everyone else. Good looks.
Good look here.
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Ok man ::) Continue to extrapolate your hyper sensitivity due to a really unfortunate experience I truly have sympathy for, as well as a high risk line of work, upon everyone else. Good looks.
I will. I couldn't look myself in the mirror if i didnt try.
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Not anymore, but Ive been to into the city 3-4 times since May. The only places I saw predominantly masked people was when I went to ORD. Most of my friends are still there and from first hand accounts and social media posting, it didn't look all that different than what I saw in MKE.
Ok man ::) Continue to extrapolate your hyper sensitivity due to a really unfortunate experience I truly have sympathy for, as well as a high risk line of work, upon everyone else. Good looks.
Just going to put this out there since it's anecdotal, but here's my experience:
Avec: masked
Sportsman club: masked
CBIC Fire pitch: masked
District Brew Yards: Masked
Timeout Market: Masked
Smyth/Loyalist: Masked
Prime & Provisions: Masked
Lollapalooza: Unmasked, but had mitigation measures
Billy Goats (Original): Mostly masked but not required
Six Penny Bit: Unmasked
Dr Murphy's Food Hall: Masked (but in med district so understandable)
Sox Park: Unmasked
Del Seoul: Masked
Lone Wolf: Masked
Corcoran's: unmasked
Cork & Kerry: unmasked
That's pretty much everywhere I've been inside within city limits since about May. Seems like the majority were still leaning masked.
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Just going to put this out there since it's anecdotal, but here's my experience:
Avec: masked
Sportsman club: masked
CBIC Fire pitch: masked
District Brew Yards: Masked
Timeout Market: Masked
Smyth/Loyalist: Masked
Prime & Provisions: Masked
Lollapalooza: Unmasked, but had mitigation measures
Billy Goats (Original): Mostly masked but not required
Six Penny Bit: Unmasked
Dr Murphy's Food Hall: Masked (but in med district so understandable)
Sox Park: Unmasked
Del Seoul: Masked
Lone Wolf: Masked
Corcoran's: unmasked
Cork & Kerry: unmasked
That's pretty much everywhere I've been inside within city limits since about May. Seems like the majority were still leaning masked.
Interesting. Again, I'm sure there is a lot of YMMV, but I even texted my two best friends there last night, one in Wicker Park and another who moved from LP to River North in mid May, and both said it was more rare to see masks than not. The one in RN's fiancee was very cautious and even after being vaccinated was hesitant but after a bit he said the unmasked spots they went regularly were so prevalent, so just eased up.
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Interesting legislation being considered in Illinois ..
https://www.newsweek.com/unvaccinated-illinoisans-pay-covid-hospital-bills-new-proposals-case-spike-jonathan-carroll-1656752
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Interesting legislation being considered in Illinois ..
https://www.newsweek.com/unvaccinated-illinoisans-pay-covid-hospital-bills-new-proposals-case-spike-jonathan-carroll-1656752
I'm pro federal vaxx mandate, but I'm against stuff like this that's just going to punish the poor.
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Being introduced doesn’t mean squat. It won’t go anywhere.
But I suppose insurance companies could be empowered to decide.. And I think it was Singapore where the government is no longer going to cover the entire cost.
Of course it’s all of us who ultimately pay, as my guess is people in ICU for Covid, mostly the unvaccinated, without insurance or even with insurance, mostly won’t ever be able to pay the bill.
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I'm pro federal vaxx mandate, but I'm against stuff like this that's just going to punish the poor.
If the poor don't want to be on the hook for their Covid hospitalizations, all they need to do is get vax'd for free.
And honestly, it doesn't hurt the poor anyhow. Given the average $42k Covid hospital bill, they'd never pay it. Middle class unvax'd, it could hurt, yes.
It's raining and there are free umbrellas everywhere. It's a choice to get wet.
Not sure why we should socialize the wetness on everyone else, walking around dry.
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Interesting legislation being considered in Illinois ..
https://www.newsweek.com/unvaccinated-illinoisans-pay-covid-hospital-bills-new-proposals-case-spike-jonathan-carroll-1656752
I don’t drink, I don’t smoke. I don’t overeat. I run 15-20 miles a week and work out at the gym every other day. At 73, I take no medications other than a multi vitamin. I and others like me pay the hospital bills of every drunk with liver disease, smoker with lung cancer and fat guy with diabetes who can’t pay. And we pay higher insurance premiums most of our lives to help cover those who can.
I don’t mind a bit. My good health from my good choices is all the reward I want. Same thing with Covid. I’m double vaxxed and boosted, but I won’t begrudge paying for those who made poor choices. But if we decide to go after them let’s be sure to punish everyone else who makes poor decisions about their health.
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I don’t drink, I don’t smoke. I don’t overeat. I run 15-20 miles a week and work out at the gym every other day. At 73, I take no medications other than a multi vitamin. I and others like me pay the hospital bills of every drunk with liver disease, smoker with lung cancer and fat guy with diabetes who can’t pay. And we pay higher insurance premiums most of our lives to help cover those who can.
I don’t mind a bit. My good health from my good choices is all the reward I want. Same thing with Covid. I’m double vaxxed and boosted, but I won’t begrudge paying for those who made poor choices. But if we decide to go after them let’s be sure to punish everyone else who makes poor decisions about their health.
I respect the logic and sentiment here, but will note one big difference.
Drinking/smoking are addictions/habits often formed at a young age, where our system allowed companies to market/advertise and glorify these items to young impressionable kids, leading to lifelong addictions. It is less of a choice at that point.
It would be akin to people being unable to get a vaccine, because of some corporate decision to target them with a product when they were young, and now are stuck with the risks of COVID for life, unless they go through a long, difficult and often painful rehab process.
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I respect the logic and sentiment here, but will note one big difference.
Drinking/smoking are addictions/habits often formed at a young age, where our system allowed companies to market/advertise and glorify these items to young impressionable kids, leading to lifelong addictions. It is less of a choice at that point.
It would be akin to people being unable to get a vaccine, because of some corporate decision to target them with a product when they were young, and now are stuck with the risks of COVID for life, unless they go through a long, difficult and often painful rehab process.
Forgetful
Respectfully disagree. Some people may be more prone to fall for disinformation on alcohol, cigarettes, poor eating habits or the efficacy of vaccines but there is plenty of true information available to them to help them make proper choices - much more than at any time in history.
You want to blame “our system” for addicting people yet there are addicts who make bad choices under all “systems” and have been doing it forever. The same is true for those who distrust vaccines.
Once you start judging which people who make poor choices should be cared for and which should be shunned/abandoned you are on thin ice ethically IMO.
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Forgetful
Respectfully disagree. Some people may be more prone to fall for disinformation on alcohol, cigarettes, poor eating habits or the efficacy of vaccines but there is plenty of true information available to them to help them make proper choices - much more than at any time in history.
You want to blame “our system” for addicting people yet there are addicts who make bad choices under all “systems” and have been doing it forever. The same is true for those who distrust vaccines.
Once you start judging which people who make poor choices should be cared for and which should be shunned/abandoned you are on thin ice ethically IMO.
What do you think about a system where we designate some beds for Covid patients so the rest of us can move on with our lives? I know people who've had to put procedures off for years, and people who haven't seen a doctor in years either.
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Because of COVID or just put off procedures?
How do we staff the COVID leper colonies?
With dentists?
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Because of COVID or just put off procedures?
How do we staff the COVID leper colonies?
With dentists?
Because non essential procedures weren't being done, and now they're going to get pushed back again due to the most recent surge in hospitalizations and full ICU beds.
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Forgetful
Respectfully disagree. Some people may be more prone to fall for disinformation on alcohol, cigarettes, poor eating habits or the efficacy of vaccines but there is plenty of true information available to them to help them make proper choices - much more than at any time in history.
You want to blame “our system” for addicting people yet there are addicts who make bad choices under all “systems” and have been doing it forever. The same is true for those who distrust vaccines.
Once you start judging which people who make poor choices should be cared for and which should be shunned/abandoned you are on thin ice ethically IMO.
I can respect this. I agree with the idea of caring for any and everyone regardless of their decisions. How do you recommend we encourage them to change their behavior then?
We do charge people more for health insurance etc., for bad health decisions. Same with bad car drivers. We heavily tax tobacco and alochol. Do we use that as leverage? Charge more for insurance and have a no-vaccine tax?
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I can respect this. I agree with the idea of caring for any and everyone regardless of their decisions. How do you recommend we encourage them to change their behavior then?
We do charge people more for health insurance etc., for bad health decisions. Same with bad car drivers. We heavily tax tobacco and alochol. Do we use that as leverage? Charge more for insurance and have a no-vaccine tax?
I don’t know how effective “sin taxes” are at changing behaviors and they disproportionately affect the poor. So would a tax on non vaxxers.
Insured or not, we treat anyone who walks into a hospital -as we should. I don’t think putting conditions on that is a good idea.
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What do you think about a system where we designate some beds for Covid patients so the rest of us can move on with our lives? I know people who've had to put procedures off for years, and people who haven't seen a doctor in years either.
I’m not sure what you do in areas where basic health care needs are being denied due to Covid. I thought that was behind us. I’ve had three elective surgeries and one procedure (colonoscopy) in the last 18 months along with normal doctor and dental appointments. And I live in Florida, which many (here, anyway) insist is way behind the curve.
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I don’t know how effective “sin taxes” are at changing behaviors and they disproportionately affect the poor. So would a tax on non vaxxers.
Insured or not, we treat anyone who walks into a hospital -as we should. I don’t think putting conditions on that is a good idea.
Universal healthcare? Love the idea!
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Universal healthcare? Love the idea!
We’ve always had universal health care (for emergencies, anyway). Universal health insurance is something different.
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We’ve always had universal health care (for emergencies, anyway). Universal health insurance is something different.
You're being pedantic. But yes, thank you for advocating for a national health care system.
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We’ve always had universal health care (for emergencies, anyway). Universal health insurance is something different.
People shouldn't be going to Emergency rooms to get insanely over priced care for their physical, or standard diabetes treatment.
Universal healthcare changes that.
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People shouldn't be going to Emergency rooms to get insanely over priced care for their physical, or standard diabetes treatment.
Universal healthcare changes that.
You socialist!
It is every American's right to pay insanely high prices for the 27th best medical system in the world!
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Interesting legislation being considered in Illinois ..
https://www.newsweek.com/unvaccinated-illinoisans-pay-covid-hospital-bills-new-proposals-case-spike-jonathan-carroll-1656752
And now he's pulled the legislation.
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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-politics/illinois-rep-pulls-bill-requiring-unvaccinated-residents-to-pay-for-covid-care-says-he-received-threats/2704041/
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And now he's pulled the legislation.
It was dumb and he basically admitted as much.
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What do you think about a system where we designate some beds for Covid patients so the rest of us can move on with our lives? I know people who've had to put procedures off for years, and people who haven't seen a doctor in years either.
Covid hasn't even been going on for years. Idk who these people who have delayed procedures for "years" are, but they aren't doing it correctly.
In the past 16 months I've had 3 arm surgeries, and donated a kidney. So, not sure where this is coming from.
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I’ve got a friend who hasn’t seen her dentist, hasn’t had her mammogram, and only recently saw her doctor.
Then I counted up all the regular appointments and exams etc I had been to, and I was like, really?
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Covid hasn't even been going on for years. Idk who these people who have delayed procedures for "years" are, but they aren't doing it correctly.
In the past 16 months I've had 3 arm surgeries, and donated a kidney. So, not sure where this is coming from.
Covid has been a thing since March 2020. 1 year, 9 months. Happy?
You're likely wealthy and insured, the people I am referring to live in poverty, and life hasn't been as rosy.
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It'd be nice to go back in time, right before Covid, when life for those in poverty was rosy.
Good ol days.
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It'd be nice to go back in time, right before Covid, when life for those in poverty was rosy.
Good ol days.
Yeah, imagine it even less rosy than it was, and you're close to what these folks deal with.
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Covid has been a thing since March 2020. 1 year, 9 months. Happy?
You're likely wealthy and insured, the people I am referring to live in poverty, and life hasn't been as rosy.
I'm more confused now.
A. I am no where no wealthy. Yes I am better off then a lot of people.
So because they live in poverty they haven't been able to get routine procedures? Or because of covid? Is it a combination of both? If so, please explain.
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Well one possibility is that a lot of people don’t have regular doctors, a certain amount don’t have insurance because even under Obamacare their finances are precarious. So if they rely on say clinics, urgent cares, or wait until they need an ER, they’re going to be at the end of the line for care that may not be a life-threatening emergency, but could be necessary.
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CHICAGO — Mayor Lori Lightfoot and health officials announced Tuesday that individuals 5 years of age and older will be required to show proof that they are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 to dine indoors and visit gyms or entertainment venues where food or drinks are served.
https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/mayor-lightfoot-expected-to-make-announcement-on-covid-19-response/
Masks still required
Fully vaccinated is tied to the CDC definition, which is currently two shots.
This should have started in June, but better late then never.
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CHICAGO — Mayor Lori Lightfoot and health officials announced Tuesday that individuals 5 years of age and older will be required to show proof that they are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 to dine indoors and visit gyms or entertainment venues where food or drinks are served.
https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/mayor-lightfoot-expected-to-make-announcement-on-covid-19-response/
Masks still required
Fully vaccinated is tied to the CDC definition, which is currently two shots.
This should have started in June, but better late then never.
Should have started in June because they would have then avoided the nationwide outbreak we have now? Very wishful thinking.
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Should have started in June because they would have then avoided the nationwide outbreak we have now? Very wishful thinking.
Yep. Would have been hard to do. Had to battle misinformation from idiots like yourself.
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Should have started in June because they would have then avoided the nationwide outbreak we have now? Very wishful thinking.
Yea, I’m sure that would have went well.
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Should have started in June because they would have then avoided the nationwide outbreak we have now? Very wishful thinking.
June because that's about when the vaccine was easily available to everyone (based on my very fallible memory), after the initial supply chain crunch.
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In the summer we were doing pretty well numbers wise, even NYC didn’t put such a mandate in until later. I do think she waited too long, so now it won’t be in effect until after the holiday crunch.
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Just hit record hospitalizations for the pandemic. Hospitals are postponing elective surgeries.
Thanks a lot, unvaccinated people. This was avoidable... again.
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Just hit record hospitalizations for the pandemic. Hospitals are postponing elective surgeries.
Thanks a lot, unvaccinated people. This was avoidable... again.
Their choices affect only themselves, remember? Freedom!
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Mobile morgues are back for the dead body overflow.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2022/1/5/22869275/illinois-coronavirus-deaths-rise-cook-county-morgue-trailers-hospital-omicron-vaccine
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Mobile morgues are back for the dead body overflow.
Repositioning. Mobile morgues usually hang out in Arby's parking lots for rapid service.
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Repositioning. Mobile morgues usually hang out in Arby's parking lots for rapid service.
On-site butchering makes for fresh beef-n-cheddar
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soylent green-n-cheddar
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Mayor Lightweight should put deez on every corner each weekend wit all da shootin's and such, aina?
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Mayor Lightweight should put deez on every corner each weekend wit all da shootin's and such, aina?
If she's not careful, Chicago might get as dangerous as the Marquette campus, aina?
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A friend's dad had a health event last night and is currently unresponsive. He's currently in an ambulance on his way to another hospital because the first two don't have any beds.
Pandemic is over though, right guys? Be careful out there.
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A friend's dad had a health event last night and is currently unresponsive. He's currently in an ambulance on his way to another hospital because the first two don't have any beds.
Pandemic is over though, right guys? Be careful out there.
It's not over, but with new cases declining significantly, it makes sense to lessen mitigation tactics. And lessening those isn't going to have any impact on current hospitalizations.
And if cases go up again, mitigation efforts can resume.
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A friend's dad had a health event last night and is currently unresponsive. He's currently in an ambulance on his way to another hospital because the first two don't have any beds.
Pandemic is over though, right guys? Be careful out there.
Unvaccinated still hurting their fellow Americans with their "personal choices."
I hope your friend's dad recovers.
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It's not over, but with new cases declining significantly, it makes sense to lessen mitigation tactics. And lessening those isn't going to have any impact on current hospitalizations.
And if cases go up again, mitigation efforts can resume.
Lessen mitigation tactics while hospitals are full with the plague rats, negatively impacting responsible Americans got it.
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Lessen mitigation tactics while hospitals are full with the plague rats, negatively impacting responsible Americans got it.
Why continue to mitigate if it doesn't impact hospitalizations?
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Why continue to mitigate if it doesn't impact hospitalizations?
Do you think masks have no impact on the transmissibility of covid? And do you think that vaccines have no impact the severity of the infection and therefore the hospitalization rates of those infected?
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A friend's dad had a health event last night and is currently unresponsive. He's currently in an ambulance on his way to another hospital because the first two don't have any beds.
Pandemic is over though, right guys? Be careful out there.
Hopefully your friend's dad is doing better and will get through it, but anecdotal stories are never a good barometer.
Illinois currently has about 3000 ICU beds. Of that, less than 450 are occupied by COVID patients. Ventilator stats are even lower.
He could have just had really bad luck, but its not like hospitals are overflowing with severe COVID related emergency patients, hence the lessening of restrictions.
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Do you think masks have no impact on the transmissibility of covid? And do you think that vaccines have no impact the severity of the infection and therefore the hospitalization rates of those infected?
I think when case rates are decreasing like they are, removing certain mitigation factors will have little negative impacts.
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Hopefully your friend's dad is doing better and will get through it, but anecdotal stories are never a good barometer.
Illinois currently has about 3000 ICU beds. Of that, less than 450 are occupied by COVID patients. Ventilator stats are even lower.
He could have just had really bad luck, but its not like hospitals are overflowing with severe COVID related emergency patients, hence the lessening of restrictions.
We have literal maps of where ICUs are full and where people are having "bad luck" leading to deaths. State-level ICU metrics don't make a lot of sense when hospitals being full are a local issue.
My friend's dad got a bed at the 3rd hospital he was taken to, it took 12 hours for the hospitals in the area to find him a bed because they're surprisingly bad at solving this problem still. Staffing and communication problems, if I had to guess, since all hospitals aren't a part of a system.
What part of Chicago do you think he lives in? The unlucky part probably?
(https://i.imgur.com/khtvF2e.png)
The city/state have per-hospital data live on the internet, it was just easier for me to grab the NYT aggregate chart. It would make sense to me to keep restrictions in place regionally until hospitals have beds. Far southern Illinois is in way worse shape than the Chicago burbs.