Illinois

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You have apparently never spent a summer with a 15-year-old boy that had nothing to do.

Jewels needs baggers, badly. No excuses.

[Lennys Tap]

I know the numbers. They don't outweigh family, personal friendships, community development and my kids' friends.

I certainly won't find a similar property anywhere in a over-saturated Kenosha County market. Unless I'm moving to Town of Paris, property taxes are within 15% of similar properties.

Those alone aren't worth the couple thousand in tax savings. If we start talking tens of thousands, I would be concerned. Until then, not even close to worth it.

I get it - lived in Illinois (and mostly loved it) for 61 of my first 68 years, raised all four of my kids there and still have many good friends there. But with my kids/grandkids scattered around the world, we finally pulled the trigger 3 years ago. Great memories but no regrets.

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I get it - lived in Illinois (and mostly loved it) for 61 of my first 68 years, raised all four of my kids there and still have many good friends there. But with my kids/grandkids scattered around the world, we finally pulled the trigger 3 years ago. Great memories but no regrets.

Thanks Lenny. It's not horrible living like certain people make it out to be.

[Coleman]

I know the numbers. They don't outweigh family, personal friendships, community development and my kids' friends.

I certainly won't find a similar property anywhere in a over-saturated Kenosha County market. Unless I'm moving to Town of Paris, property taxes are within 15% of similar properties.

Those alone aren't worth the couple thousand in tax savings. If we start talking tens of thousands, I would be concerned. Until then, not even close to worth it.

Yup. Maybe there were deals to be had in Kenosha County 5 years ago, but I live in Lake County and taxes and home prices in Kenosha are similar...with way worse schools. I'm good.

If I am trying to decide between Libertyville High School, Stevenson HS, Lake Forest HS, etc. or Kenosha Tremper....pretty easy choice.

[Jockey]

Yup. Maybe there were deals to be had in Kenosha County 5 years ago, but I live in Lake County and taxes and home prices in Kenosha are similar...with way worse schools. I'm good.

If I am trying to decide between Libertyville High School, Stevenson HS, Lake Forest HS, etc. or Kenosha Tremper....pretty easy choice.

Actually, Kenosha Unified isn't that bad when compared to other districts in Racine and Milwaukee. But still no where near Libertyville or Lake Forest.

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Yup. Maybe there were deals to be had in Kenosha County 5 years ago, but I live in Lake County and taxes and home prices in Kenosha are similar...with way worse schools. I'm good.

If I am trying to decide between Libertyville High School, Stevenson HS, Lake Forest HS, etc. or Kenosha Tremper....pretty easy choice.

You can do better west of the I in terms of schools, but the prices get worse.

[Coleman]

I just bought a home in unincorporated Libertyville Township....Libertyville HS and village services...super low property taxes. I'm pretty pumped.

[WarriorDad]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-pritzker-tax-no-federal-bailout-20200424-7mxjbtpapngbrlvz3q337v4sja-story.html

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

WD you are clearly unfamiliar with the Tribune's history and agenda if you posted that editorial. Their editorial board is the journalistic equivalent of Judge Smails sentencing the boy to death for his own good.

[Pakuni]

WD you are clearly unfamiliar with the Tribune's history and agenda if you posted that editorial. Their editorial board is the journalistic equivalent of Judge Smails sentencing the boy to death for his own good.

After Bruce Rauner's approval rating fell to 31 percent and even the National Review labeled him the worst Republican governor in the country and one who deserved to lose re-election, the Tribune's editorial board endorsed him.

[jesmu84]

I wonder what would happen if states like Illinois were able to keep what they generated instead of contributing to a federal "pot" to be given out to other less producing states.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I wonder what would happen if states like Illinois were able to keep what they generated instead of contributing to a federal "pot" to be given out to other less producing states.

Feudalism?  The Articles of Confederation worked well.   

Sure isnt a Federal government system.  I'd suggest reading the Federalist Papers to educate yourself.

[tower912]

I wonder what would happen if states like Illinois were able to keep what they generated instead of contributing to a federal "pot" to be given out to other less producing states.

Federalism.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Federalism.

Wrong.

[tower912]

I meant to post that it would essentially mean the end of Federalism as we know it.  I don't know what happened to the rest.    Weird.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2020/4/27/21239299/jasper-monroe-downstate-counties-covid-19-death-rates-pritzkers-stay-home-coronavirus

Darrel Hickox, a member of the Jasper County Board, disputed the numbers from state public health officials, contending that "nobody" in Jasper County has died from the coronavirus.

He said that members of the media who report on the pandemic are "socialists, liberals and communists."

"There has been some coronavirus here, but they was dying anyway," Hickox said.

[Pakuni]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2020/4/27/21239299/jasper-monroe-downstate-counties-covid-19-death-rates-pritzkers-stay-home-coronavirus

Darrel Hickox, a member of the Jasper County Board, disputed the numbers from state public health officials, contending that "nobody" in Jasper County has died from the coronavirus.

He said that members of the media who report on the pandemic are "socialists, liberals and communists."

"There has been some coronavirus here, but they was dying anyway," Hickox said.

Once you get south of I-74, you might as well be in Kentucky.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

After Bruce Rauner's approval rating fell to 31 percent and even the National Review labeled him the worst Republican governor in the country and one who deserved to lose re-election, the Tribune's editorial board endorsed him.

I'll stop piling on the Tribune but wanted to post this somewhat opposing viewpoint from one of its columnists (who does not sit on their editorial board).

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/eric-zorn/ct-column-illinois-coronavirus-covid19-bailout-federal-donor-zorn-20200428-mdiolecl7vcwxpmmba5mdir7dy-story.html

"But no matter how or why the money flows where is does, the bottom line is that Illinois and other donor states are helping prop up such recipient states as South Carolina and Kentucky. Our taxpayers in effect funnel money into their economies, money that props up their businesses and keeps their taxes and government spending lower than they would otherwise have to be.

It's nervy as hell for ungrateful politicians in recipient states ever to whine about "bailouts" or preen about how comparatively well managed they are."

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I meant to post that it would essentially mean the end of Federalism as we know it.  I don't know what happened to the rest.    Weird.

Thought jockitch hacked your account.   

[tower912]

Beats the hell out of me.   

[buckchuckler]

I wonder what would happen if states like Illinois were able to keep what they generated instead of contributing to a federal "pot" to be given out to other less producing states.

Don't kid yourself.  It would still suck.  Illinois politicians spend like drunken sailors.  If they had more they would just spend more and be just as in debt. 

[WarriorDad]

I wonder what would happen if states like Illinois were able to keep what they generated instead of contributing to a federal "pot" to be given out to other less producing states.

What would happen to the states that have the largest military bases, or missile silos, or the strategic oil reserve?  Would they be able to tell us here in Illinois that we do not get protected? 

Some of that federal pot money goes to states that provide less in tax revenue, but provide other value in land, resources, talent.  The suggestion that it is indexed only on taxes paid in and received back is missing a significant part of the calculus. 

[MarquetteDano]

Don't kid yourself.  It would still suck.  Illinois politicians spend like drunken sailors.  If they had more they would just spend more and be just as in debt.

Agreed. If any money went to state bailouts it would need conditions like the budgets would have to balanced for a certain amount of time, bond issuance limitations, etc..

Could be great for IL taxpayers as the politicians in the state will continue to kick the can down the road unless an external force does something.

[MarquetteDano]

What would happen to the states that have the largest military bases, or missile silos, or the strategic oil reserve?  Would they be able to tell us here in Illinois that we do not get protected? 

Some of that federal pot money goes to states that provide less in tax revenue, but provide other value in land, resources, talent.  The suggestion that it is indexed only on taxes paid in and received back is missing a significant part of the calculus.

You could never index federal tax money spent by amount of the per capita revenue per state.  Some states would be done.  One extreme example:

In Fiscal 2018 Minnesota brought in over $17,000 PER PERSON in various federal tax revenue
In Fiscal 2018 Mississippi brought in around $5,000 PER PERSON.

You cannot spend 3 times more on Minnesota than Mississippi.  But I would be pretty annoyed if someone in Mississippi complained about federal tax dollars going to Minnesota.

[rocky_warrior]

OK, I've been letting this thread go - but the last page or so has nothing to do with CV-19 in IL.  I'll just delete any further posts that don't have to do with CV-19 or the response to it.