Wisconsin

[Jay Bee]

I can muster sympathy only for the people he likely infected.

Praying for your soul.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Praying for your soul.

Equally useful tots and pears to you , too.

[Skatastrophy]

Try not to get too sick in Wisconsin, hospitals are inundated

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/12/03/covid-wisconsin-hospitals-turning-away-patients-cases-climb-staffs-struggle/8855404002/

> On Friday, the Wisconsin Hospital Association reported 1,457 patients were hospitalized with COVID-19, the most so far this year. Of those, 393 patients have been admitted to an ICU.

It's the unvaccinated people, staying longer, with more acute illness causing problems. Rural hospitals aren't equipped to treat anything serious so they're used to xferring these cases to big city hospitals, but there's not room left for transfers.

[tower912]

Just a few weeks behind Minnesota and Michigan.    Fun fact, our ambulance attendants (understaffed, underpaid) are now actually offering COVID treatments to patients in their houses to avoid transporting them to already overwhelmed hospitals.     It is quite disconcerting the first time you see an EMT trying to talk someone out of transporting.   

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Just a few weeks behind Minnesota and Michigan.    Fun fact, our ambulance attendants (understaffed, underpaid) are now actually offering COVID treatments to patients in their houses to avoid transporting them to already overwhelmed hospitals.     It is quite disconcerting the first time you see an EMT trying to talk someone out of transporting.

What treatments are EMTs allowed to offer in home?

[tower912]

https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2021/12/michigan-paramedics-are-making-house-calls-to-treat-covid-positive-patients-with-antibody-infusions.html


This one is a little older....
https://www.medstarambulance.org/2021/09/28/mich-medics-administer-monoclonal-antibody-therapy-in-patient-homes/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=mich-medics-administer-monoclonal-antibody-therapy-in-patient-homes

[pacearrow02]

Try not to get too sick in Wisconsin, hospitals are inundated

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/12/03/covid-wisconsin-hospitals-turning-away-patients-cases-climb-staffs-struggle/8855404002/

> On Friday, the Wisconsin Hospital Association reported 1,457 patients were hospitalized with COVID-19, the most so far this year. Of those, 393 patients have been admitted to an ICU.

It's the unvaccinated people, staying longer, with more acute illness causing problems. Rural hospitals aren't equipped to treat anything serious so they're used to xferring these cases to big city hospitals, but there's not room left for transfers.

To suggest this is only or even primarily the unvaccinated being hospitalized is not true at all.  More often then not when I'm talking to staff on Covid units they are saying the majority of patients are vaccinated but not boosted.

[pacearrow02]

Try not to get too sick in Wisconsin, hospitals are inundated

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/12/03/covid-wisconsin-hospitals-turning-away-patients-cases-climb-staffs-struggle/8855404002/

> On Friday, the Wisconsin Hospital Association reported 1,457 patients were hospitalized with COVID-19, the most so far this year. Of those, 393 patients have been admitted to an ICU.

It's the unvaccinated people, staying longer, with more acute illness causing problems. Rural hospitals aren't equipped to treat anything serious so they're used to xferring these cases to big city hospitals, but there's not room left for transfers.

Hospitals are definitely bursting at the seams but we're still about 50% of what we were last year at this time as far as Covid hospitalizations.  I was at a hospital today though that had to take 4 inpatient units and condense them down to 2 cause if staffing issues.  More then 1 reason as to why hospitals are having to turn patients away.

[The Sultan]

To suggest this is only or even primarily the unvaccinated being hospitalized is not true at all.  More often then not when I'm talking to staff on Covid units they are saying the majority of patients are vaccinated but not boosted.

Per usual, you are absolutely wrong.  Even when you account for the fact that 2/3 of the state is vaccinated, they doesn't make up for this disparity.

https://www.wbay.com/2021/11/15/covid-19-wisconsin-unvaccinated-had-5x-more-infections-15x-more-deaths-october/

"In October, for every 100,000 vaccinated people -- which is the majority of people in Wisconsin -- there were 456.4 cases, 12.2 hospitalizations, and 1.8 deaths.

For every 100,000 unvaccinated or not-fully vaccinated people, there were 2,255.1 cases, 132 hospitalizations, and 27.3 deaths.

A fully vaccinated person was 5 times less likely to be infected, 11 times less likely to need a hospital bed, and 15 times less likely to die than a person who was partially or never vaccinated."

[pacearrow02]

Per usual, you are absolutely wrong.

https://www.wbay.com/2021/11/15/covid-19-wisconsin-unvaccinated-had-5x-more-infections-15x-more-deaths-october/

"In October, for every 100,000 vaccinated people -- which is the majority of people in Wisconsin -- there were 456.4 cases, 12.2 hospitalizations, and 1.8 deaths.

For every 100,000 unvaccinated or not-fully vaccinated people, there were 2,255.1 cases, 132 hospitalizations, and 27.3 deaths.

A fully vaccinated person was 5 times less likely to be infected, 11 times less likely to need a hospital bed, and 15 times less likely to die than a person who was partially or never vaccinated."

Fluffy just passing along what I'm being told.  Well past worrying about being right or wrong, frankly exhausted by the constant dick measuring with this stuff but figured since I'm one of a couple people posting on scoop who are actually in hospitals and on these units figured it might be helpful to pass along what I'm hearing. 

[pacearrow02]

Per usual, you are absolutely wrong.  Even when you account for the fact that 2/3 of the state is vaccinated, they doesn't make up for this disparity.

https://www.wbay.com/2021/11/15/covid-19-wisconsin-unvaccinated-had-5x-more-infections-15x-more-deaths-october/

"In October, for every 100,000 vaccinated people -- which is the majority of people in Wisconsin -- there were 456.4 cases, 12.2 hospitalizations, and 1.8 deaths.

For every 100,000 unvaccinated or not-fully vaccinated people, there were 2,255.1 cases, 132 hospitalizations, and 27.3 deaths.

A fully vaccinated person was 5 times less likely to be infected, 11 times less likely to need a hospital bed, and 15 times less likely to die than a person who was partially or never vaccinated."

The data from your link was from October.  Might still be the case here in December but the numbers from a macro level in Wisconsin have gotten dramatically worse in the 5-6 weeks since October.

[The Sultan]

Fluffy just passing along what I'm being told.  Well past worrying about being right or wrong, frankly exhausted by the constant dick measuring with this stuff but figured since I'm one of a couple people posting on scoop who are actually in hospitals and on these units figured it might be helpful to pass along what I'm hearing. 

The problem is that you think anecdotal stories trumps actual data. Smart people don't do that.

[pacearrow02]

The problem is that you think anecdotal stories trumps actual data. Smart people don't do that.

This is true it is just a bunch of anecdotal feedback, not sure if stories is the right word.   Will be interesting to see if the data you linked to stays the same as the year wraps up or if it shifts to match the feedback I've been hearing.  Hopefully they continue to update!

[tower912]

Three quarters of hospitalized COVID patients in Michigan are unvaccinated.

[pacearrow02]

Three quarters of hospitalized COVID patients in Michigan are unvaccinated.

I'll take your word for it, no idea.

Vermont which has something like a 90% vaccination rate has never had higher Covid hospitalizations so everything seems to be a mess.  Except Florida, deathsantis has that thing rolling!!

[jficke13]

That anecdata does not match with the report of a monoclonal antibody infusion staff I heard from today.

[Uncle Rico]

That anecdata does not match with the report of a monoclonal antibody infusion staff I heard from today.

He's a liar

[pacearrow02]

That anecdata does not match with the report of a monoclonal antibody infusion staff I heard from today.

What are they seeing?  Closer to 3 to 1 like tower said in Michigan?

[pacearrow02]

He's a liar

And I'm not convinced you're a real person.

[jficke13]

What are they seeing?  Closer to 3 to 1 like tower said in Michigan?

They didn't cite numbers, but said their unit and the hospital they staff was "overwhelmingly" treating unvaccinated people.

[The Sultan]

I'll take your word for it, no idea.

Vermont which has something like a 90% vaccination rate has never had higher Covid hospitalizations so everything seems to be a mess.  Except Florida, deathsantis has that thing rolling!!

In Vermont, the hospitalization rate is four times higher for the unvaccinated. 

https://vtdigger.org/2021/12/03/vermont-ends-november-with-record-breaking-streak-of-severe-covid-outcomes/amp/

[forgetful]

He's a liar

I don't believe he is in hospitals, no medical professionals say the things he claims they are telling him.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I'll take your word for it, no idea.

Vermont which has something like a 90% vaccination rate has never had higher Covid hospitalizations so everything seems to be a mess.  Except Florida, deathsantis has that thing rolling!!

[pacearrow02]

I don't believe he is in hospitals, no medical professionals say the things he claims they are telling him.

Not the first thing you'd be wrong about my friend, it's ok. 

[pacearrow02]

In Vermont, the hospitalization rate is four times higher for the unvaccinated. 

https://vtdigger.org/2021/12/03/vermont-ends-november-with-record-breaking-streak-of-severe-covid-outcomes/amp/

Is their vaccination rate 90%+?

Do they have record hospitalizations?